I really loved that in this case, Ben Stone wasn't fighting hard because he believed that AIDS patients should not be allowed to end their own suffering, but because he simply felt so strongly on the principle of the matter, and whether or not the defendant was merely using it as an excuse to commit murder our of personal enjoyment. Fantastic writing.
There was no reason for light and music tricks. Thr problem is how hard it is to execute good writing these days while keeping an audience entertained, who are saturated by phony tricks.
A guy tried that when I was in college and still got punched. The guy who got punched got the other guy's girlfriend pregnant and him asking "Are you [guy?]" was just a rhetorical question.
There is an error in the episode. It was said that in England a doctor can assist someone to die that is incorrect. A doctor can only prescribe medication to reduce pain but not to kill them. Assisting a Suicide is illegal in England currently. However a prosecution needs the consent of the Attorney General. That is why every case of assisting a suicide in the UK is investigated. I would note that in the majority of cases permission to prosecute is not given.
Do you realise that this is a clip from an old show? Laws that are in affect now, and have been in affect recently do not apply here. Not to mention, this is a fictional show.
The son is probably not so much afraid of death itself as he is of dying, i.e. of pulling the trigger himself. That brief moment, the very act of pulling the trigger or jumping off a building, is way scarier than death itself, at least for me. The difference between dying and being dead is an important one: death itself, in the sense of non-existence, doesn’t scare me because there won’t be an “I” to experience it - before I was born into this world, there was no “I” and so there was no being to experience fear or pain, and after I die, there will also be no “I” to suffer in any way. On the other hand, the process of dying can be very painful, and the decision to continue that dying process until its natural conclusion or to end it by making a conscious decision to interrupt the process by suicide or assisted suicide is a choice that I believe should be left in the hands of the dying. This latter option is not yet available in my state, but every state permits the process called “palliative sedation” - being kept unconscious during the final weeks of life until death occurs. That’s the choice I’ve signed up for at my doctor’s office, but whether or not my wishes can be fulfilled will depend, like most of life, on chance and circumstance. So it’s still a roll of the dice. That’s life!🥴
"I am as afraid of Death as any one." "But not of the idea of Death." "But what is the difference?" "Infinite difference," said Helen (Howards End - E.M. Forster)
That's why while I was in the military my thought was if I gotta be killed, id rather a bullet to the brain. Instant death, no time to register what's happening. The worst would of been bleeding out.
You think being dead means not existing? Are you sure about that? Willing to bet you're eternal soul on that? If being dead IS not existing, then why do you fear dying? Or rather, you fear dying. Are you sure there's not something deeper to that fear? Something fearful enough that you're willing to ignore it because the thought of it is more fearful than dying itself?
Nothing really changed here. Yes, there's fear in the pain from dying, there's even a possible hesitancy in doing the act yourself, but back then, when there was barely a tiny spark of hope in surviving aids. Stone really should've dropped the case, as the woman who chose to take her son's life has a vastly different reason for doing so.
true, the second case was very different. I still think that he was guilty of murder even so I support asisted suicide. Everywhere where asisted suicide is legal, the person must do the last saction. even if its pulling a switch or drinking from a cup that someone holds for them. This wasn't the case. I could look past if he just hold the gun to his head and let him pull the trigger. Not like this
@@dreamendles4828 I can understand your reason, and honestly I do think for the sake of care for the person risking it there should be definitive attention to detail, but I wouldn't have voted to convict
2:54 Bashing your community? No. He was saying that ANYONE who doesn't seek medical attention for something THAT serious isn't playing with a full deck.
Giving someone a dose of poison vs withdrawal of medications being given regularly by a hospital, especially when patients aren't able to medicate themselves.
When it comes to life and choosing to live with a sickness that ultimately is going to deteriorate and kill someone, I guess we should make their own decisions whether to live or die. It's never an easy choice.
Curry says this very thing to Stone. He says the entire point is it's his decision to make. It's not a policy to be debated in the public square. It is the private choice of an individual who may be in pain and have a reduced quality of life.
This is an old episode back then they used to let you kill anyone in England especially because the Queen has immunity to anyone she kills it used to be the same for commoners I think in 2009 they made it just for the Queen to be allowed to get away with murder I would know i am Royalty third removed from Meghan Markie.!!
At the time, passive euthanasia is legal in the UK. Not outright murder or assisted suicide. But have the right wording and nomenclature, cracks between terms could be legalized.
This programs is not accurate. It’s a drama and it even worked together with the NYPD to make them look better than they where at the time. The show makers where outspoken on their views of what kind of message about the law a cop show should give.
@@dgrmn12345there is no such thing as 'passive euthanasia' Euthanasia, by definition, is an active process. Perhaps you are confusing it with withdrawal of active treatment, which is something very different.
People are so absurd. You say two words and they will twist both words in to four paragraphs so different than anything you've ever said in your life that it may as well been recorded on Mars.
"We're all dying." No, we're not. Just because one is getting closer to the moment of one's death doesn't mean one is dying. To say that it does mean that is like saying that if you are walking towards a cliff--even if you are walking up an incline and the cliff is a mile away--you are falling.
Stone purposely tanks the case. He tells Logan and Greevey to review the crime scene, where they find evidence that Bobby staged the robbery. This proved that he wanted to die. Logan is called to testify, and he admits that Stone directed the detectives to find evidence that it wasn't murder. Curry is convicted only of a misdemeanor. On the courthouse steps, Julia asks Stone why he included all the lesser charges, saying if he'd gone for manslaughter he'd have won. Stone looks at her with no expression, and it's clear he hadn't wanted Curry convicted. Julia's face shows a look of understanding as she asks Ben, "I wonder who told a secretary in your office to call me about your conversation with Logan??" Ben smiles ever so slightly and says he'll have to look into it.
We'll, I guess Stone has more compassion for someone who was that upset about someone dying of AIDS being put in jail, because he felt the same way, and didn't seem to have wanted to prosecute that guy, either...
When he said his son wanted him (the father) to kill him (the son), but he (the son) wouldn't pull the trigger to kill himself, that seemed like a lie. If you are hurting enough to want your father to shoot you, you are in enough pain to shoot yourself. But then I thought about another kind of shot: hypodermic needle injections. I can easily imagine having a pain bad enough that I want my parent to give me an injection of pain killer to stop the pain, but not bad enough for me to be willing to give myself the injection. Yes, I know lots of people give themselves injections on a regular basis (some with diabetes, for example), but I have never had to inject myself, and I'm sure it would be harder for me to inject myself than to have someone else do it to me.
Why be afraid of death??!!!! It comes for us all!!! I'm even having dreams of when I'm gonna die!!! I'm going to die a month prior to my bday!!! My dr is gonna have one more surgery and I'm gonna bite the dust on the table!!! Embrace death and learn to accept that it's your best friend
Fear is fear, it's meant to be unreasonable. Most phobias are stemmed from the unknown, not knowing what happened when you confront a stimulus and death is the greatest unknown of all.
People are afraid of death, because it's our natural instinct to live. We think about the fact we don't exist anymore, and to some that thought is scary. It's why people who want to die, can't always go through with it.
I really loved that in this case, Ben Stone wasn't fighting hard because he believed that AIDS patients should not be allowed to end their own suffering, but because he simply felt so strongly on the principle of the matter, and whether or not the defendant was merely using it as an excuse to commit murder our of personal enjoyment. Fantastic writing.
one of the things I love is that theres very little background music and very little cuts pure acting
Isn't it amazing how little you need to overdramatize things with music and harsh cuts when you have good writing. Something seriously lacking today.
There was no reason for light and music tricks.
Thr problem is how hard it is to execute good writing these days while keeping an audience entertained, who are saturated by phony tricks.
Gosh, I miss Ben Stone, he was a wonderful character, with flaws and goods, compassionate but also rational.
"You Ben Stone?"
"Yes, sir."
*gets hit*
And that, boys and girls, is why you always reply to that question with "who's asking?"
Such a simple seen, perfect
This is my go to. I’ve never been punched.
Or you can just say, "nope"
A guy tried that when I was in college and still got punched. The guy who got punched got the other guy's girlfriend pregnant and him asking "Are you [guy?]" was just a rhetorical question.
When someone replies with "whos asking?" That means yes
The fact that this episode aired in 1990 is pretty exceptional.
There is an error in the episode. It was said that in England a doctor can assist someone to die that is incorrect. A doctor can only prescribe medication to reduce pain but not to kill them. Assisting a Suicide is illegal in England currently. However a prosecution needs the consent of the Attorney General. That is why every case of assisting a suicide in the UK is investigated. I would note that in the majority of cases permission to prosecute is not given.
Was that the case back in the 90s when this episode was made?
@@Igarappappa Yes ever since the criminal offence of committing suicide was abolished that has been the case.
Do you realise that this is a clip from an old show? Laws that are in affect now, and have been in affect recently do not apply here.
Not to mention, this is a fictional show.
@@CoconutButt The law regarding assisted suicide has been like that since at least the 1960s
It wasn't until 2002 that there was a country where euthanasia became legal. This was in the Netherlands and Belgium.
The son is probably not so much afraid of death itself as he is of dying, i.e. of pulling the trigger himself. That brief moment, the very act of pulling the trigger or jumping off a building, is way scarier than death itself, at least for me.
The difference between dying and being dead is an important one: death itself, in the sense of non-existence, doesn’t scare me because there won’t be an “I” to experience it - before I was born into this world, there was no “I” and so there was no being to experience fear or pain, and after I die, there will also be no “I” to suffer in any way.
On the other hand, the process of dying can be very painful, and the decision to continue that dying process until its natural conclusion or to end it by making a conscious decision to interrupt the process by suicide or assisted suicide is a choice that I believe should be left in the hands of the dying.
This latter option is not yet available in my state, but every state permits the process called “palliative sedation” - being kept unconscious during the final weeks of life until death occurs. That’s the choice I’ve signed up for at my doctor’s office, but whether or not my wishes can be fulfilled will depend, like most of life, on chance and circumstance.
So it’s still a roll of the dice. That’s life!🥴
"I am as afraid of Death as any one."
"But not of the idea of Death."
"But what is the difference?"
"Infinite difference," said Helen (Howards End - E.M. Forster)
That's why while I was in the military my thought was if I gotta be killed, id rather a bullet to the brain.
Instant death, no time to register what's happening. The worst would of been bleeding out.
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You been a poetry 🙂are you a house wife?
You think being dead means not existing? Are you sure about that? Willing to bet you're eternal soul on that?
If being dead IS not existing, then why do you fear dying?
Or rather, you fear dying. Are you sure there's not something deeper to that fear? Something fearful enough that you're willing to ignore it because the thought of it is more fearful than dying itself?
2:56 that old time stock punch sound effect 😆
Nothing really changed here.
Yes, there's fear in the pain from dying, there's even a possible hesitancy in doing the act yourself, but back then, when there was barely a tiny spark of hope in surviving aids.
Stone really should've dropped the case, as the woman who chose to take her son's life has a vastly different reason for doing so.
true, the second case was very different. I still think that he was guilty of murder even so I support asisted suicide. Everywhere where asisted suicide is legal, the person must do the last saction. even if its pulling a switch or drinking from a cup that someone holds for them. This wasn't the case. I could look past if he just hold the gun to his head and let him pull the trigger. Not like this
@@dreamendles4828 I can understand your reason, and honestly I do think for the sake of care for the person risking it there should be definitive attention to detail, but I wouldn't have voted to convict
Wrong.
@@TheBatugan77 how
5:43- Man, that is just heartless. I hope they prosecuted that mother too.
I was a bailiff for many years. I have never seen this many citizens in the court gallery.
I bet the attorneys never entered the well without permission like L&O lawyers do repeatedly.
For a case with this much publicity, in New York, there might be that level of interest.
"It only hurts when I prosecute. So keep me out of court" - a line worthy of Jack or Lenny.
2:54
Bashing your community? No. He was saying that ANYONE who doesn't seek medical attention for something THAT serious isn't playing with a full deck.
It should be noted that only passive euthanasia is permitted in UK. Assisted suicide is not legal.
What exactly is the difference?
Giving someone a dose of poison vs withdrawal of medications being given regularly by a hospital, especially when patients aren't able to medicate themselves.
Also notable that said withdrawal of life support is only allowed after a court okays it
When it comes to life and choosing to live with a sickness that ultimately is going to deteriorate and kill someone, I guess we should make their own decisions whether to live or die. It's never an easy choice.
Curry says this very thing to Stone. He says the entire point is it's his decision to make. It's not a policy to be debated in the public square. It is the private choice of an individual who may be in pain and have a reduced quality of life.
@@funwithcupcakes923 not to mention the emotional and financial strain it can put on their families.
This was back when AZT was the only available ARV to treat AIDS and it had horrible side-effects IIRC.
“If you ever wanted to do anything for me. Do this….”
Oof 😓
WTH!!????!!
I'm English. It's never been legal for doctors to help people die, as they put it.
Shocking and horrendous error by the program makers...
This is an old episode back then they used to let you kill anyone in England especially because the Queen has immunity to anyone she kills it used to be the same for commoners I think in 2009 they made it just for the Queen to be allowed to get away with murder I would know i am Royalty third removed from Meghan Markie.!!
At the time, passive euthanasia is legal in the UK. Not outright murder or assisted suicide. But have the right wording and nomenclature, cracks between terms could be legalized.
This programs is not accurate. It’s a drama and it even worked together with the NYPD to make them look better than they where at the time. The show makers where outspoken on their views of what kind of message about the law a cop show should give.
In UK doctors have never had the right to assist a person in dying. Not then and not now.
@@dgrmn12345there is no such thing as 'passive euthanasia' Euthanasia, by definition, is an active process.
Perhaps you are confusing it with withdrawal of active treatment, which is something very different.
There are doctors in Canada on the down low will let their clients submit suicide for their justification.
There are doctors everywhere they do mercy killings if their patient wants it on the DL.
It's been legal in Canada for a while now. MAID medically assisted in death.
People are so absurd. You say two words and they will twist both words in to four paragraphs so different than anything you've ever said in your life that it may as well been recorded on Mars.
#BringInTheFirst12
Where they at, Peacock?!
"People with aids do not go gently into that good night" Nicely used Dylan Thomas poem.
Tonight is the return of the original!
That defense attorney’s hair is the true crime here
And her grossly excessive use of makeup. That blusher on her cheeks. That's murder one right there.
"We're all dying."
No, we're not.
Just because one is getting closer to the moment of one's death doesn't mean one is dying.
To say that it does mean that is like saying that if you are walking towards a cliff--even if you are walking up an incline and the cliff is a mile away--you are falling.
I was just about to watch this episode.
I think it’s illegal to assault an officer of the court, which I believe that is what prosecutors are. I may be wrong idk
I mean, it's illegal to assault anyone, so...
Nothing is illegal if it's done by one of the Alphabet Mafia.
What happens? Someone spoil it for me!
Stone purposely tanks the case. He tells Logan and Greevey to review the crime scene, where they find evidence that Bobby staged the robbery. This proved that he wanted to die. Logan is called to testify, and he admits that Stone directed the detectives to find evidence that it wasn't murder. Curry is convicted only of a misdemeanor. On the courthouse steps, Julia asks Stone why he included all the lesser charges, saying if he'd gone for manslaughter he'd have won. Stone looks at her with no expression, and it's clear he hadn't wanted Curry convicted. Julia's face shows a look of understanding as she asks Ben, "I wonder who told a secretary in your office to call me about your conversation with Logan??" Ben smiles ever so slightly and says he'll have to look into it.
More plz
Nice video
Hes really milking that punched jaw🤣 Ive had my jaw broken and would've rather had what he had
Was the father prosecuted?
I want the man who punched Mr. Stone in jail, because that is assault.
We'll, I guess Stone has more compassion for someone who was that upset about someone dying of AIDS being put in jail, because he felt the same way, and didn't seem to have wanted to prosecute that guy, either...
I hope our legal system is better than this
If my memory serves me correctly, didn't assistant D.A Stone get murdered by a witness set to testify?
I don't think so? I'll have to look it up but I'm pretty sure he didn't.
@@xxthatsnotmexx reply back if it happened! i'm curious too now
@@BiggusPuggus so in his last episodes his witness was murdered by the Russian Mob and he felt so guilty that he resigned.
On Law and Order:SVU in 2018, Jack McCoy talks about speaking at Ben Stone’s funeral. But he wasn’t killed.
This is an old episode
Season 1 episode 3 if I'm remembering correctly.
Yeah that sounds right.
When he said his son wanted him (the father) to kill him (the son), but he (the son) wouldn't pull the trigger to kill himself, that seemed like a lie. If you are hurting enough to want your father to shoot you, you are in enough pain to shoot yourself.
But then I thought about another kind of shot: hypodermic needle injections. I can easily imagine having a pain bad enough that I want my parent to give me an injection of pain killer to stop the pain, but not bad enough for me to be willing to give myself the injection.
Yes, I know lots of people give themselves injections on a regular basis (some with diabetes, for example), but I have never had to inject myself, and I'm sure it would be harder for me to inject myself than to have someone else do it to me.
AIDS? Magic Johnson seems to be doing well, decades later.
He can afford the very finest medical care money can buy
@shayadayan3343 No doubt, medicine has come a long way the last 30 years.
That cartoonish cheesy punch sound effect has aged like milk.
Pale Rider
Long hours working
Seems a bit, ironic I think
I notice a serious lack of Detectives Lupo and Bernard. Need more clips of them!!
You're like a broken record, we get it
@@rsybing glad you get it. ^-^
Now just waiting on more uploads of Detectives Lupo and Bernard lol
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I hate the “r” word
Hot potato
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The vid is at 666 likes 👌 im not gonna press the like button but I find it funny for anyone that does
Why be afraid of death??!!!! It comes for us all!!! I'm even having dreams of when I'm gonna die!!! I'm going to die a month prior to my bday!!! My dr is gonna have one more surgery and I'm gonna bite the dust on the table!!! Embrace death and learn to accept that it's your best friend
You might think death is wonderful. But some of us want to live our lives to the fullest, and enjoy what time we have...
Fear is fear, it's meant to be unreasonable. Most phobias are stemmed from the unknown, not knowing what happened when you confront a stimulus and death is the greatest unknown of all.
People are afraid of death, because it's our natural instinct to live. We think about the fact we don't exist anymore, and to some that thought is scary. It's why people who want to die, can't always go through with it.
@@Deborahtunes It's not saying death is wonderful, it's saying it's a natural part of the life cycle.
When is your birthday?
And because he's gay, that guy that punched stone will likely not be prosecuted and will even more likely be praised for his assault.
Of course
Hahaaaa, the tolerant liberals.