Super-Collab with Dr. Jordan Cooper: Presby/Lutheran Crossover, Yo-Yo Tricks, Theo Geeks, and More!
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I have converted to Lutheranism purely because of the yo-yo tricks at the end
Hahaha!
Come for the yo yo tricks, stay for the Maundy Thursday Potluck dinners!
This is the greatest crossover episode I’ve ever seen
AGRREEEEEEED
Amen
Until this day, the 1986 G.I. Joe/Transformers crossover "Only Human" had that distinction. It has now been surpassed.
What Dr. Cooper didn't mention is that you have to be able to at least do "walk the dog" with a yo-yo to be ordained in the AALC.
I’m intellectually convicted of Presbyterianism.. but emotionally drawn to Lutheranism. Wish these two traditions interacted more.
That is a game that leads nowhere. Lutheran theology (word and sacraments) is the one and only, genuinely, Christicentric and evangelical (gospel-centered) christian church. Presbyterianism is absolutely wrong and in fact it is based with a very hidden way on ''salvation by deeds'' heresy. Be lutheran. A confessional one. Come to the real, incarnated, blood and body of Christ in the liturgy.
@jordantsak7683 no, stop lying and especially stop slandering. We don't belive in salvation by deeds, unless by the deeds of Chrsit as in his finished work. I see you're comment's. I'm glad you stand by your Lutheran convictions. One should belive their church is the best representation of the church. However you are what I call an obnoxious cage stage Lutheran. You will bring no one to the Lutheran faith with that attitude. I could say the same things about Presbyterianism. Making a bunch of claims doesn't make you right though.
Emotions aren't how we should decide our church.
@@jordantsak7683Presbyterians also hold to real presence, we too receive the body and blood of Christ. Also Presbyterians completely reject salvation by deeds
@@jordantsak7683 salvation by deeds? what are you talking about
God used a LCMS church to bring us out of Arminianism and the foolishness of the pentecostal/charismatic church ending up as a reformed Baptist. But I find comfort in Dr. Cooper’s Lutheran perspective on the 5 points of Calvinism as I struggle with double predestination, or as he put it the other half of limited atonement. I thank God for both of you and appreciate both your channels.
Fantastic conversation. We need more of this. Faithful Christians from different Traditions building each other up in the Faith and also exploring their differences in a mature way but which ultimately draws people closer to God. Easily my most favourite episode on this channel.
Faithful people yes, but their traditions ''faithful'' also? No. The Reformed is not faithful at all. It is full of heretical notions as the denial of the reality of the sacraments.
As a Christian who is part of an LCMS church my 2 biggest issues is not having communion at every service and that there isn't expository preaching. I listen to several Reformed pastors on RUclips because they really teach through the Bible. This is lacking in the Lutheran church but in my small city there are no Reformed churches to go to.
I was hoping they would convert each other so that we’d still end up with one Lutheran and one Presbyterian.
Big fans of both of you, may God be praised for His grace in each channel and the work you do! Soli Deo gloria!
What an edifying conversation between two brothers in Christ. Thank you both.
Hearing the two of you admit your limitations in regards to reading broadly and being a generalist was very impactful to me. It helps me to realize that I have placed unreasonable expectations upon myself to learn and grow in all aspects of ministry.
Absolutely stellar crossover interview! I pray that this type of interview can occur more often. Well done gentlemen.
Yep. "Christ crucified for the forgiveness of sins." There's no going back after getting that.
Great two of my favorite RUclips channel hosts! Both of y’all should do this at least once a year on the 31st of October. To commemorate reformation day .
Looking forward to seeing this
Blessings
Well done, gentlemen. I am in communion with Rev Dr Cooper and have always enjoyed his efforts. Rev Everhard is wonderful as well and I have been tuned in for a few years now. God be praised for men like these and the gratification that comes from the conversations that follow.
What a pleasant surprise! One of my top 2 Confessional Lutheran RUclipsrs with one of my top two Confessional Presbyterian RUclipsrs! It doesn't get much better than this!
This is splendid… I’m thrilled to see this crossover
Coopers series on the Trinity is excellent! I am neither Presby nor Lutheran.
As someone that was born into a split Jewish/Catholic house....first going to a Methodist Church once I left the J&C faiths, then going to a Lutheran Middle School, Christian Reform High School, while going to a PCA church.... finally ending up in a Baptist Church with my wife and kids.....I really really enjoyed this conversation.
Wow that is an interesting path! I’m PCA- so glad you found home in your Baptist congregation 🙌
@@gabesmith9171 Yeah, it was an interesting ride. Funny thing is that I am at "my" Baptist church because of my wife but I joke with my friends at the church that I am just a PCA diplomat living in a Southern Baptist church. 😄
Thank you for this, Matthew. I've been blessed by your podcast work, and by Jordan's. I've listened much to each of you. And me a reformed baptist! To see you two together this way was a joy. I'll add that you are a superb interviewer. And the yo-yo demonstration was quite fun. Nice touch having that be a part of this. Grace to you both in our Lord Jesus Christ.
Fascinating discussion!
Thank you both
Appreciated this convo, brothers!
Thanks for doing this!
This is amazing! Thank you so much for this crossover.
Can’t wait to watch tomorrow!
Great interview. Thank you for the thought provoking message!
I really enjoyed this. Thank you both.
Thank you both for this episode. I truly enjoyed it.
What an enjoyable episode. Thank you, brothers!
Hey guys, fantastic conversation from 2 of my favorite RUclips-theologians. I had a similar experience to Rev. Everhard, in my case growing up in the United Methodist Church as a child but feeling later (when I began to really walk by faith in Christ, influenced by more evangelical churches) that I hadn't heard the gospel very clearly as a child... but then I may not have been listening, either. That was part of what led me to pursue ordination in the UMC. I also resonate with what Dr. Cooper said about Limited Atonement; that is one of THE issues that attracted me to a Wesleyan understanding of the Gospel. I'm really curious to see a comparison/contrast of Lutheran vs. Wesleyan understandings of salvation and the Christian life.
I will also say that I personally have a friend that I grew up with who has recently returned to the church as an adult, and it was at least partly because of the influence of Jordan Peterson. This man has gotten more serious about Christ and the Bible because of Peterson, but used that as a jump-off point for seeking other resources as well. Truly an answered prayer.
Have a look into the Pietist tradition, that's the connection between the Lutherans and Methodists. The Pietists come from within the Lutheran tradition and are taken up by some Bohemian groups (Moravian Brethren) who then influence the Wesley brothers; it's why there can be strong similarities between Lutheran and Methodist Sacrementology for example.
As an Anglican, I’d definitely be interested to see a conversation like this between a Lutheran and a Methodist/Wesleyan (particularly if the Lutheran held to conditional election like the 17th century Lutheran Scholastics or corporate election like some later Lutheran thinkers). I’d definitely be curious to hear such a discussion zero in on regeneration and sanctification. To my knowledge, Methodists reject the Calvinist view that repentance and regeneration are contemporaneous, but I’m not sure if they’re/you’re on board with the Lutherans about regeneration not necessarily being a conscious experience of certain mental states-Lutherans rather fervently insist that regeneration is contemporaneous with the Godly administration of the rite of baptism, and that while one who is not baptized may still be saved, the term ‘regenerate’ still wouldn’t apply to someone who died without baptism. (‘Entering the reign/kingdom/βασιλεια of God’ isn’t interpreted to be synonymous with going to heaven in Lutheran thought, but leans more toward participation in the reign of God on earth as it is in heaven.)
Wesleyan understanding of the gospels is pure heresy. We do not have free will to salvation.
@@jordantsak7683 it is true that a great many Methodist people - and clergy - will tell you that "Free Will" is what Methodists believe and teach over against "predestination". This is reductionist and ultimately mis-leading (sadly, theological clarity is not a hall-mark of much of Methodism right now). Classic Methodist/Wesleyan theology teaches that our will is completely corrupted by original sin, and it is only by God's prevenient Grace working in us that we can respond freely to the offer of the Gospel. Also, John Wesley does teach predestination (as William Abraham has discussed in his book "Wesley for Armchair Theologians" and Wesley himself discusses in his Sermon "Predestination" and also his "Treatise on Predestination"); it is a shame more Methodists don't know about this. But the seminaries aren't all doing a stellar job right now.
Pastor Matt , you are a great host and a great interview so you have another talent! Just loved it
Aye yo!!! That yo-yo trick was awesome! I really enjoyed this conversation from you both. Love you pastor Matt. You really have childlike faith in your way of the Lord and how you even interact with brother Jordan. I’m glad to be a subscriber to this channel🙏🏾. God bless you man🙏🏾
You could say this is the great exchange
Matthew E does the best Bible videos. Now we just need him to embrace his Lutheran heritage.
I´m using the avatar of John Knox a well known Calvinist but I´m member of the Lutheran church we are brothers in faith! God bless you all!!!
I just tweeted ( limited word count) that I have just recently found both of them on YT and Twitter!
I went from a former JW to Evangelical Cristian to Reformed Calvinist ( Dr Bahnsen -OPC, PCA); subsequently since COVID now attending as a non formal member conservative Trinity Lutheran Church in Temecula, CA.
My YT search to understand the faith and practice of the Lutheran/Reformed different views of 1. Soteriology, 2. Lords Supper (!)
I have been watching both of you for so long (reformed baptist here)
And i love it!
Be a lutheran. Reformed baptist is a heresy because denies the reality of the baptism which is forgiveness of sins with the most permanent and continuous, corporeal way.
From a Presbyterian, this was a really pleasant and constructive conversation!
Wonderful episode. Thank you for this gift, brothers. It's encouraging to see clear disagreements conducted with deep sympathy. As a Reformed guy, I found the input on our ecclesiology, sacramentology, and sense of continuity with the ancient church and the broader church helpful. The comments on the education of the Reformed laity hit home!
Reformed theology is not in continuation with the ancient church. The sacraments are a reality, not symbols. Symbol in ancient greek meant ''reality'' not ''representation'' as in english, french etc.
So good let’s do part deux. And you could go on his show!
Me too on a Luther like conscience.
This is great dialogue. Thank you for this. I have listened to both of you and appreciate your unique perspectives.
Ironically it was the Reformed R.C. Sproul’s video “The Insanity of Luther” that led me to Lutheranism.
Coming from a Baptist upbringing and later in life reading Scripture the first time I was convinced that the ordinances are not just ordinances.
Examples of this are in 1 Corinthians 10-11 which speak of the Lord’s Supper as “a participation in the Body and Blood of Christ.” Also that taking it in an unholy manner was “sinning against the Body and Blood of Christ.”
Also, while Baptists teach Baptism is an ordinance, this was not my experience. I was baptized several years ago when I was a teenager and something spiritual happened in that moment. I can’t explain it but it was a moment with God unlike anything I had experienced prior. I am convinced not only by this experience but also Scripture that in this my sins were washed away and I was gifted with the Holy Spirit. See Acts 22:16 and 2:38.
I appreciate the Reformed traditions work in defense against the heresy of Pelagianism. Also in their defense of predestination, which is biblical.
I find that Calvinists are more interested in limited atonement than either Christ or Calvin were. This I find strange.
I appreciate Calvin’s and the Puritan view of the Lord’s Supper. They considered it a participation in the Body and Blood of Christ, with the caveat that instead of Christ’s Body coming down to us, we are raised up into the Heavens to feast spiritually there.
This view is far preferable to Zwingli’s opinion, but in practice the Zwinglian view wins out. In this view (growing up Baptist) I was well acquainted in and wearied of.
At St. Andrew’s Chapel (founded by Sproul), which I attended for a short period, the emphasis of the Lord’s Supper was not on what it is “a participation in the Body and Blood of Christ” (1 Corinthians 10:16), rather on what it was not: transubstantiated bread and wine.
The Augsburg Confession I find more in line with the Bible than the Westminster Confession, or the London Baptist Confession, or the 39 Articles or 25 Articles. (Just don’t let any of the Lutherans know I disagree with their doctrine on Monastic Vows.)
Please keep up these dialogues as they are so helpful for the broader faithful Christian community.
Also you both look dashing.
This conversation was great! Thankyou gentlemen
Thank you for this great exchange. It is so good to hear
I find the lutherans fascinating
As an ACNA Anglican, I found the “not arguing” part over liberal Lutheranism vs Calvinism kind of funny. Lutheran theology consciously tries to interpret the New Testament on regeneration in keeping with earliest church fathers-that what John and Paul mean by regeneration happens (or begins) at the moment of baptism, with the result that there might be a temporal separation between repentance and regeneration. Reformed theology, naturally, follows Calvin, “By repentance I understand regeneration,” e.g., that the conscious experience of certain mental states is what the New Testament means by rebirth. Looming in the background is what one generally understands τὴν βασιλείαν τοῦ θεοῦ-the reign (or kingdom) of God-to mean in the New Testament. Lutherans (and many Anglicans) argue, citing some literature of the second temple Jewish context and contextual hints of the Bible itself, that τὴν βασιλείαν τοῦ θεοῦ is the reign of God, his work on earth as in heaven, not just heaven-that entering the βασιλεια of God doesn’t mean going to heaven when one dies (not that it would exclude it). The Reformed (in my experience) take the view that it’s heaven. This naturally has a tremendous impact on how one reads texts like John 3 (especially 3:5). Calvin, essentially taking kingdom of God to mean heaven, and thus John 3:5 giving a condition upon which salvation is possible, inferred that being reborn couldn’t simply mean what happens at the moment of baptism since some are saved without baptism. While this view isn’t found in the church fathers (not in the 38 volumes put together by the Reformed scholar Philip Schaff and the others I’ve checked, at any rate), it does make sense if τὴν βασιλείαν τοῦ θεοῦ just means heaven. (Similarly, there’s the effort in Reformed thought to keep repentance contemporaneous with regeneration to keep TULIP intact.) What folks in Reformed and Arminian circles mean by ‘regeneration,’ Lutherans just call repentance-contrition and faith (there are historical reasons why repentance take such somber tones in a lot of theologies that might not be warranted from the Jewish use of the Greek word generally translated ‘repentance’ in English, μετανοια.) I admittedly lean toward the Lutheran view, but am curious to see what support exists in second temple Jewish and possibly Patristic literature (it’s possible I’ve missed some sources) for the Reformed view. It all comes down to what the authors meant by their words and what we can extrapolate from what they meant-context is king, both the immediate textual contextual and the cultural-historical context.
What about Lutheran view on the Lord's Supper?
Thank you for this great contextual explanation. Are you on social media? I would like to follow you. Also curious to know why did you prefer to become Anglican instead of Lutheran? Both traditions are very close obviously.
Dear brothers in Christ, thanks for your "bearded" humor!😂
Informative video.
Excellent introductory video. I have great respect for both of you. I would love to see a follow up discussing doctrinal differences. Though I’m a longstanding member of the PCA, after years of study I have a deep affinity with the Christological, sacramental and atonement teaching of Luther. The Federal Vision and Reformed Episcopal positions seem to be a viable middle ground, yet here in southeastern Pennsylvania Westminster is king. The question that has always haunted me, though, is: If LCMS Lutheranism is as biblical as it seems, why is it so geographically and demographically parochial?
Superb. Two great minds together.
You guys should discuss Ted Letis' book "The Ecclesiastical Text" next time. 😺
This was such a fun crossover! I am so thankful to see your comradery. It is funny you both had an almost backward trajectory from Lutheranism to Reformed and vice versa.
I have a question, Matthew. How would you respond to Dr. Cooper's comment about the church fathers being closer to the Lutheran view? I have been reading Herman Bavinck's Reformed Dogmatics, and he engages with the Fathers a ton.
One friendly way would be to look at who Calvin cites and how often in the Institutes. Hint: He's a big fan of the fathers too and drew massive inspiration from them!
@@MatthewEverhard That is very helpful! I have been working through the Institutes with friends over winter breaks, so I will have to notice how he engages with the Fathers. We are on book 3 this year.
In my Ancient and Medieval Church history class, my professor Tim LeCroy pointed out that Calvin quotes Augustine more than anyone, which I thought was fascinating!
@@MatthewEverhard , this is true, but he said many things against them also. Lutheran theology is in perfect continuation with the ancient faith. The sacraments are reality, here and now and for you, not symbols. Symbol in ancient greek meant ''reality'' not ''representation'' as in english, french etc. Return to the lutheran faith. Do not spare yourself in sacramentarian heresies.
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Very interesting interview, as far as Jordon Peterson is concerned I've seen just the opposite happen. I have seen some people who had a sound Biblical world view get sideswiped into a more psychological, metaphysical or philosophical approach to understanding scripture, which led them to doubt just about everything they previously believed. At this point a literal interpretation of scripture becomes less desirable, as they seek to find all these hidden, mystical nuances in the Bible.
50:14 I just converted to Lutheranism...
I need your help.
I just got Trevin Wax's Psalms in 30 days. I was excited to begin this morning. On day 15 he included the apostle's Creed. Great, right? But he is using the "contemporary" or "ecumenical" version that says or mit several words found in the traditional version. For example, instead of saying "He descended into hell" like in the traditional version, it changes it to "He descended to the dead".
That got me really worried because it is clearly not te same and makes me wonder what other "subtle" changes were introduced in this book.
Are you familiar with Trevin Wax book? Any guidance about these two different versions of the Apostle's Creed? I would appreciate anything you coulds share on this. Thanks.
"The dead" is just a technical term for hades/sheol or the _bosom of Abraham_ (in contrast to tartarus/gehenna -- the realm of the damned), the general term "hell" is ambiguous and can lead to misunderstanding -- such as the common misunderstanding that Christ was "damned to hell" as an extension of his suffering.. this is of course heretical..
If that's the only change in that devotional I wouldn't worry about it.
I bought Wax's Book a couple of weeks ago and just started using it, so I cannot comment on how much he adapted or modified his sources. However, he does identify them, so I encourage you to begin exploring some of them as well. Translating Hades as the dead is an accurate translation, so I wouldn't worry about it. I also gave a copy of Wax's book to one of my nieces because I think it is more user-friendly for someone who is unfamiliar with the Church year than say the Book of Common Prayer would be.
@@vngelicath1580 , better worry about. It is Άδης and means ''hell'', not just ''dead''.
This whole time I thought Cooper was LCMS 😂
Not that I am a fan of yo-yo’s… or skate boarding… but… Where was the drum roll for Jordan?
I’ll stick with the amateur re-bindings. ;)
Otherwise, this was a very interesting discussion.
As a layman, I’d say that being a balanced generalist is the way to go… while not forgetting your reason for your faith.
I’m shocked by those YoYo skills
Cooper mentioned Michael Horton. I am sad that Horton might have gone down the woke path.
Uhh no. No he has not
@@cjfoster4179 There is a podcast called Conversations that Matter. He critiqued an episode of the White Horse Inn where Horton was sounding rather Woke. I will try and post the link if You tube lets me.
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ruclips.net/video/wenVl_zpTLs/видео.html
Woke in what sense? Because that has a range of meanings in the broader culture. Can you provide a few examples of what Horton may or may not hold to?
@@DavidMartin-dj4op I agree. Dr. Cooper has been called "woke" for speaking out against [genuine] racist tendencies in some corners of the conservative church. So in some ways, "woke" has been used as a pejorative to refer to anyone not as far to the right as yourself (kinda like "racist" or "nazi", as a leftwing slur -- it looses all meaning).
Or for instance, I know many people within the conservative wing who are very passionate about environmental issues (myself included) -- some may regard that as justification for labling them "woke." It's complicated.
If possible can you both respond to Rom. 8.1…
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh,
Baptism = in Christ.
OK so with this Lutheran Minister Dr. Jordan Cooper, I have a few questions and concerns over what he said. If he was originally raised in the PCUSA that did not become a denomination until 1983, which means you must be pretty young still. I grew up in the United Presbyterian Church which is now PCUSA! You stated that Lutherans put a heavy placement upon having to go to Seminary. So I will say this, if you grew up in PCUSA, you should know that the Presbyterian Church places a heavy heavy placement upon Seminary, and probably are heavier on education than a standard Lutheran, so not sure where that came from. If you are talking about these offshoot Reformed and Presbyterian denominations that are not PCUSA or PCA, I can believe that. But they are not in my book Presbyterian nor Reformed in the truest form, they are offshoots.
Again throughout my 60 years of life, and being involved in ministry, I have come across many Presbyterian churches. Some have been very liturgical like mine now, mimicking more of a say Anglican liturgy. In fact, as you know " The Church of Scotland" St Giles Cathedral is the mother church of PCUSA. Most Presbyterian churches I have attended ( United -PCUSA) have been more ornate than say a Lutheran Church and do not hold that regulative principle you were talking about. I think you will find that more with Orthodox, some PCA, and some Evangelical Presbyterians, the ones that were heavily influenced by the Puritans. But that in my mind is not truly Reformed nor Presbyterian. We have to realize that when the Puritans started to influence the American Presbyterians, the Scots and English that came over for visits and would attend these churches were appalled. They were used to the Presbyterian Churches in Scotland, these churches were unlike them due to the puritan influence. In fact, some of these Scots and English would then attend an Anglican over one of these churches, because they were closer and akin.
So I have never attended a Presbyterian Church or Reformed that had a heavy evangelical influence or regulative principle. And on top of that, none of my PCUSA churches placed an influence on the election or limited atonement..none of them! And I do not believe the Cumberland Presbyterians do either. So anyways, here are some links to some Presbyterian ( PCUSA) church services and the Church of Scotland. I am sure you will understand what I am saying. Quite honestly, Dr. Cooper, I enjoyed hearing you very much. I actually think you are more Presbyterian and Reformed in presentation and thought than any confessional Lutheran. However, most ELCA ministers I have met are very similar to PCUSA, in fact, they are in full communion with them. I hope Matt will keep these up, because this is what we mainline Presbyterian mainly PCUSA think of Presbyterian . These are only just a few.
Links:
www.stgilescathedral.org.uk/services
ruclips.net/video/qkosK9sWvVA/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/icjW8wrcXAA/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/MhL84md5XLY/видео.html
The Biblical beard is for modesty. No naked chins!
Submit to the Roman Pontiff.
I love Luther, but I don’t think he would approve of churches being named after him! You can be Presbyterian and study Luther! As well as Calvin, ( who would not approve of people calling themselves Calvinist), Augustine, Aquinas, Jonathon Edwards, etc. I love all these giants of the faith and learn from all of them, but I don’t put my faith in their theologies!
The only genuinely christian church is the lutheran one, because it teaches the reality of the incarnation, the reality of the sacraments. Salvation is always ''extra nos'', never based on your deeds as the Presbyterian church, in fact, teaches. Be a lutheran. Come to the real body and blood of Jesus, for the forgiveness of your sins.
The Catholic Church that Jesus Christ established on Peter the rock, way before the new testament was ever written, does not teach one is both just and a sinner, that a person is simply not declared righteous, but actually MADE RIGHTEOUS before being allowed into the beatific vision. Jesus Christ teaches that if we are angry with others, we shall be liable to judgment. We are not simply declared righteous, yet, still sinners, but that anger must first be removed from the soul, where the person is actually made righteous through Jesus Christ, the purifying fire! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink
I wonder why St Paul calls the congregation of Corinth saints while also calling them to turn from their obvious sin?
And do you think that God's Word doesn't do what it says? As if God said "let there be light" then He made it? If God declares one righteous they are made righteous by His Word. Of course it is only in the Resurrection that we see and experience fully Christ's victory over sin, death, and the devil.
Read Roman's 7
@@edwardhershberger6267as well, Read Romans 2 and Galatians 5. Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink
@@matthewbroderick6287 Right but the point is to show us that we are sinners and when christ declares us Righteous it's his righteousness that covers us. I believe that's the point paul was making in Roman's leading up to Roman's 7 was to say there ain't a one of us that are righteous even if we think we are, but then goes to show that it's all christ righteousness that is imputed to us when he declares us righteous. That's why I believe Martin Luther was right when he coined the phrase "Simul justus et peccator"
@Edward Hershberger Yet,,faith alone does not make us righteous, foe Holy Scripture teaches we must cooperate with God's saving grace and repent and bear fruit and forgive others and love one another and persevere to the end to be saved! Plus, we shall each be judged as we have judged others and we shall each be held accountable for every careless word we have uttered and shall be liable to judgment if angry with others! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink
Calvinism summarized. Satan wants everyone, but God does not.