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I thought of this while rewatching epsiode 60 of DBZA when gohan said “down an arm and fighting an android why does this feel so familiar” or something among those lines. gohan died fighting the androids in trunks time and in our timeline gohan surpassed both 17 and 18 and cell and pulls through in the end..
At least present Gohan still has his arm and lived unlike his future counterpart.
I AGREE
I like to think that it wasn't solely 16's death that triggered Gohan's SSJ2 transformation. It was definitely the final catalyst, but his friends being beaten down around him had to have played a major part. Goku's SSJ1 as well; Freeza had killed Vegeta, tried to kill his son and his old rival, and THEN killed his best friend. I could see that being another time echo too
Goku (and also non pussy gohan) actually fought freeza before tho lol this one a stretch
@@tastedivinefury2198 Do you understand how tense works in written English? Yes, they fought Freeza *before* they fought Cell. *Then* some stuff happened that was kind of similar. You know. Like an echo.
Yeah, if a Cell Jr. had really killed someone, Gohan would've DEFINITELY snapped and maybe become so uncontrollably violent that he accidentally blows up the earth or something.
In DBZ Kai episode 98, future bulma said "I suppose there are some things time won't let you alter." She was right. Despite the efforts of future Trunks and the rest of Earth's defenders, many of the same things that happened in the original/history of Trunks timelines also ended up happening in the main timeline. Granted, the main timeline was able to have all the damages done and the people killed by the bad guys put right again, and as a result is far less bleak and depressing, but the fact remains that time refused to let our cast of characters (well all but three anyway) cheat death, even if their time in Other World did only end up being temporary.
The awesome foreshadowing, imagery, and symbolism is one of the main reasons I've always put the Cell saga above the rest of the series. People don't seem to look into the deeper and finer details these days such as Gohan losing his arm echoing how his future self lost an arm
Mike actually making db content that interested people or is interesting unlike others
Others?
@@TheUKisThere other db context creators
@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD I mean, that aren’t interesting. I’ve seen only interesting ones. Maybe except a few shorts.
@@TheUKisThere ah super and Super hero's isn't the most interesting, other besides bt4 is the only interesting thing
Exactly. I was actually thinking about this the other day.
Other dbz youtubers just make shitty therories with no substance.
I thought of this as a kid. How Gohan managed to get his arm damaged in both timelines and how the Z fighters got rolled in both timelines
For Vegeta?
Really?
@@alexzero3736yeah more like pure unadulterated ego
I would love a "somethings were meant to be" type of story. With Gohan And present trunks get in a dire situation and it leads Gohan to training our present trunks. Maybe present trunks chracter development could be to get him just as mature as future trunks or a little less. But I would love that Idea.
Dat would need Vegeta to die. Buu Saga denied it all.
@@alexzero3736 Technically he did. Too bad he came back.
Trunks being killed by Cell must have been one too lol
Facts that would be 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I think the time echo could also be what lead to 16 dying, because 16 wasnt supposed to exist or at least be activated in the original time, so he dies. He might have been destroyed in the HOT timeline when 17 and 18 blew up the lab. Thats just my theory. An Android being killed by another android is definitely a time echo though.
You're right I didn't even think of that, it's stuff like this is why I luv DBZ, and also have a hard time deciding which saga was better the Namek/Frieza Saga or the Android/Cell saga. Both of them are dope 💯💯
that arnold impression was god-tier
We need more of it!
Im so glad this channel came back. This shit is actually interesting, unlike the other db youtubers. You, quaaman, and geekdom are carrying with awesome content.
I wish we got a mini series where we see what Goku did why being dead for 7 years
he was pushing himself to go ss2 and then beyond that to ss3... and mastering it.
lol. there was a fan manga about it i think. it was kinda cool and show'd goku making his own signature attack the dragon fist using that power.
i wish that made it into dbz canon.
Also, since he's a future cell, who is probably weaker since the androids are weaker as well. If present time cell was allowed to reach completion he would by reason be even more powerful than the time traveler cell that we actually see.
Son Gohan only needs one arm to kick your ass unlike Prince Vegeta
A little interesting thing about the uniform that Gohan wears in the main timeline and future time. Is that despite the fact that both wear the same uniform like Goku. Nether uniforms are the exact same. However the difference is very small.
Actually, Future Gohan wears Gi with word Mazouku - demon. While Main Gohan wears outfit made by Kamiccolo.
Ah. Never noticed that thanks.
It is all about balance.
Trunks shifted the balance artificially towards the Z warriors by saving goku and warning them while fate balanced back by sending Cell and allowing him to complete his evolution.
The androids who would play on earth were replaced by one who would erase earth if bored.
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fun fact: Comparing trunks timeline you find an interesting tidbit. Chi Chi and Goku were destined to be together, Vegeta and Bulma were destined to be together, and trunks and mai were destined to be together. However, the most healthy relationships of Videl and Gohan and 18 and Krillin, were not destined.
Well you can't be in relationship if other part of it died.
No, that has nothing to do with destiny, its because trunks only changes the timeline from when the androids attack, and vegeta and bulma and goku and chichi we’re already together before they attacked. Krillin and 18 and gohan and videl only got together after the point trunks changed.
If trunks had traveled even further back to og dragon ball he could have changed those relationships too.
@@-carpet- actually Vegeta and Bulma weren't Together. They just got one night of sex.
I wonder is it a Time Echo or ripple, by having Cell kill Trunks two times? (The Unseen Timeline + Perfect Cell's Return)
While also having Trunks kill Cell 2 times? (Present Cell in Gero's Lab as a larva + Alternate Imperfect Future Cell)
As they are the two known time travelers at the time, maybe the timeline it self was essentially trying to punish the both of them by punishing each other.
Great video, as usual! I think that another interesting time echo in Dragon Ball Z is the one that involves Majin Bu and Piccolo. The episode of Fat Bu rejecting his evil side that eventually becomes Slim Bu is identical to the one when the namekian who rejected his evil side to become Kami. After that, they unite again and become a new, more powerful being. Therefore, Super Bu = Piccolo+Kami.
A concept I’ve always held in my own head canon. I’m glad to see someone else had the same thought process
Not exactly a time echo but I found the way Vegeta, Piccolo, KRILLIN etc hunted Anroids 19 and 20 to almost mirror the way C 17 & 18 hunted Gohan and Trunks in the future timeline.
Watching Gero slip and slide between rocks as Vegeta threatens to glass the area mirrors the encounter where Gohan lost his arm in the anime. "Let's take some potshots".
Having Gohan and Piccolo work together to nab Gero was again, very reminiscent of other timeline, as least anime wise.
Here we see such a role reversal it's almost jarring. Having the minor characters all act as bloodhounds for 2 weaklings that they can body if they work together? Gero and 19 are the inverse of Gohan and Trunks in a lot of ways in my opinion.
There are many other similarities, and I enjoyed seeing the villains become the hopeless cowards instead of innocents/minor characters at the mercy of the Z cast at the time, direct contrast from Future Trunks timeline in the anime and I love it.
I never thought of this in dbz... damn....good video man. And this is why the cell saga is the best saga in all of anime. And Goku and Supreme Kai are the only 2 that wasn't killed in the buu saga.
That impression had me laugh out loud. It’s the only thing I’ve seen today that genuinely made me laugh😂😂 not a forced laugh and I’m at work.
It made me laugh when you did your Arnold impression when voicing Android 16 😄
X-Men Days Of Future Past is the best X-Men movie slightly beating X-2
Don't forget about present Trunks declaring that he would cut Frieza in half with a sword...
Trunks: gohan your bleeding!
Gohan: I aint got time to bleed!
To quote DBZA: " Down one arm and about to be killed by an android. Why does this feel familiar?"
In our timeline, the entire human population dies and the Earth gets blown up. In Super, this happens as well in the Future Trunks timeline, though with the entire universe (Zamasu).
In our timeline, Trunks and Mai have hunts of a potential romantic relationship, or at least romantic interest . The Future Trunks timeline also has this too.
Also, it is explained that the Pilaf gang made the wish to be children in the future timeline just like ours, though I wanna say these both would have happened pre-Androids so it would be the same events anyway?
If you wanna use movies, in our timeline (or at least the movie timeline I guess?????) Trunks got a sword (Wrath of the Dragon) and of course Future Trunks got one too.
Babidi, Buu, and Dabura got killed in both timelines, both by the hands of a Saiyan being assisted by the Supreme Kai.
In both timelines, Gohan died, and died specifically while wearing his father's gi (died from Androids in future, from Kid Buu blowing up Earth in our timeline).
In whatever timeline Whis sent Guture Trunks and Mai to, they met alternate versions of themselves. This also happened when they met our Trunks and Mai.
In both timelines the Androids kill Dr. Gero, defeat Vegeta, and fight Piccolo
Bulma dies in both timelines (Buu/Goku Black).
In both timelines Goku's DNA causes trouble (Cell/Goku Black).
In our timeline, Future Trunks timeline, and in Cell's timeline all 3, Android 17 is killed.
In all 3 timelines Gohan has students (Trunks/Goten/Video/I guess Pan)
Cosmological constants. Things that would happen no matter how things played out (vis a Toriyama, anyway). Well picked. I always looked at Goku becoming SS first as well, regardless of if he was "our timeline" or if he had ended up more Saiyan without a head injury or whatever.
love ur vids bro keep it up.
He was a teenager when the old Kai gave him the power up and Kibito gave him the orange gi.
17 crushing Gero's head and Cell crushing 16's head isn't a time ripple, as they happened in the same timeline. It's more Cell taking after his parts, in the same way as with trying to make Gohan power up
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This video is one of the main reasons I love dbz the cyclical structure and story, the development of characters and many more this is why this story is very impactful to me and Super couldn't do the same
Wow that's very interesting, I didn't realize it was so many time echoes especially the one with super buu killing all humans. Also some other time echoes I was aware of was in both timelines the Z Fighters fought Androids 17, 18 pre ROSAT time period and were defeated in both timelines, in the original timeline they were killed, in the Alternate/Present timeline they were just knocked out. And the other echoe is cell is defeated in both timelines by saiyan hybrids. This was a really interesting video.
LOL, fitting voice for 16 loved it.
the most changed is how trunks aged. future trunks vs present trunks
I love tfs mentioned that insuated that gohan feel familiar being an arm down nodding to future gohan.
Great video
I can't imagine any other voice for 16 now.
Another interesting one. Time travel saved Goku (Trunks), time travel killed Goku (Cell). Time corrected the ripple, Goku had to die.
It's like poetry, it rhymes.
Awesome and epic video ❤️👍
The cool thing about beast Gohan is the red eyes
Wild bro, thanks for making this.
I've thought for a long time that Gohan protecting Vegeta from Cell was not necessarily a true time travel echo but echoes from the past, recreating the time that Piccolo sacrificed himself to protect Gohan from Nappa
One I found odd was where Future Gohan fights 2 androids in the rain. In DBS Super Hero Gohan goes against 2 androids in the rain.
Great videos lately, man. Glad you didn't quit and took a more humorous approach, I am also really critical and took life too seriously and it really ruined my life, now rebuilding my friendships etc and focusing on having fun (but obv also working) and life is so much better. Godspeed man and waiting for new videos, Dragon Ball was first manga me and my bro collected as a child so Toriyama's work has a special place in my heart. Which reminds me to read it again once more.
"He was the first to try, and the first to die" - Mike lmao
I actually prefer Gohan dressed as piccolo then as goku
His early buu saga gi was also better than him with gokus gi
Future Gohans gi is probably my favorite the demon on the gi
@@-carpet- the one with the red wrist bands or the Great Saiyan man suit?
@@theredscum4202 on the back just like when he was kid and had a sword
Honestly, Saiyaman with no head coverings is pretty cool. Green outfits are pretty unique.
w video, manga panels so clean adn crispy
Future Gohan has always been my most fav form of Gohan ever since I was introduced to him. It makes no sense to me that he wasn't the one to kill the androids after growing up.. AND Goku and definitely Piccolo, and prob the other z-fighters, and even King Kai himself would've at the very least advised Gohan using King Kai to communicate. And Korin, Popo and Roshi would've def thought of a bunch of ways to help train Gohan.. and SOMEONE would've mentioned the room of spirit and time (the hyperbolic time chamber) at some point, which would've made a huge difference as well. There are so many things that could've and should've been done.. also he should've never lost his arm lol, just my opinion.. or at least have Bulma or someone make a prosthetic AT LEAST lol. Sorry, Gohan is my most fav character in all of Dragon Ball, and I feel he always ends up getting the crap end of the stick every time lol
I'm glad you're talking about this. It's a proof of Dragon ball having very interesting story telling. It shows and doesn't tell and because of that people literally can't comprehend what's happening because it's not being spelled out for them.
That may have been the story the editors wanted to tell which sounds cool. But that impact is loss when you try to continue the series where Goku's death means nothing nor is present trunks a huge factor.
@@dominiquerobinson8888 but that's what happened. What happens in the buu arc doesn't undo the entire series. Again the series shows and doesn't tell. Instead you went on talking about buu which the majority of the fan base agrees is when the dragon ball franchise started going downhill
@@gh0rochi363 I agreed the parallels the cell saga tried to portray were cool. But if you talking about “time echos” and things becoming inevitable, you gotta talk about all of it not just parts
My favorite time echo is actually from the DBS manga (I know man! I know… I’m sorry) in one of my favorite DBS moments of all (anime, movies, & manga) in Chapter 16 when Future Trunks, Supreme Kai, & Kibito are fight Future Babidi & Dabura. The moment when Dabura pops up in Kibito’s face & annihilates him with that blast the same way he does to Present Kibito in DBZ (one of the most underrated moments of DBZ btw). Damn that was so sick & it was kind of a backwards time echo since it happened in the present first.
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3:41 gotta love that lonely reference lol
Mike's theory videos about DB are the best
I just realized cell was never in hell because he went to his original timelines hell more than likely
Dude that’s some good content , even your voice and the video’s format is perfect ! I’m definitely subscribing.
I love how Future Gohan in Kakarot had one last beam struggle in his last stand echoing the one with cell.
This video got me thinking that using Earths and Nameks Dragonballs do have consequences; They just don’t come up till later. I.e: Goku brings back Uppas father, he himself dies as a father, Krillin gets brought back to life in the Piccolo saga but everyone else dies in the Sayin saga ect…
Great Video Mike u still got it lol
I swear everything I always second guess with the Android saga, you make a video on it a day later 😂
Great video!
Great video. It makes me think two things... Future Gohan never got angry-angry?? And... I'm imagining how dope it might've been if Gohan was the hero for the rest of the Z portion and then Super takes place after end of Z with Goku returning to train Uub and then a new enemy
It doesn't matter if he got angry he didn't have the training from goku in the time chamber to achieve ssj plus the zenkais he would've gotten + his latent potential was never explained to him in detail because everyone that could train him died
Basically the second multiverse timeline Gohan had so much more hax simply because he was actually told he had hax
@@opiumdealer101 True that, I knew those and agree. It was a thought that maybe he’d figure at least some of it out as an adult without Goku but with his own experience
they did future gohan dirty. for plot and drama. ...no reason he wouldnt have had that anger boost that always manifested when he saw his loved ones in danger or die. especially later on in his adult life when he would have had quite a good amount of anger and pain and experience to transform to ss2 at least. i mean come on now gohan was the strongest non fused character in dbz era.
then in the main timeline u have gohan going ss2 from an android he never met before n all of sudden got what he needed to go ss2?! but it makes more
sense since goku was there training him in the rosat. still tho...
but this potential had to magically fade away in the future timeline. its not like gohan didnt train either. he was always having battles with the androids. i'd say that shit itself was just as potent. plus he was near death most of them times so zenkais too. i'd imagine at some point he would have ascended... like that sad night he was ready to die for trunks. oh well tho. sad future gohan went out like that. 😟😔
I feel like if the androids killed trunks that would have pushed future gohan to go ssj2
This makes cell final fight with trunks more satisfying trunks really did not want cell to have 3-0 over him
Super good video, I didn’t notice all the small similarities across the dragon ball timelines
vegeta choosing not to fight again and him dying in the other timeline was def a stretch lol
Also, Vegeta did not decide not to fight again in the alternate timeline, that choice was taken from him, because he was killed. Had that not happen, Vegeta definitely would have continued to fight.
This deserves more likes
another time echo can be interpreted from Future Gohan knocking Trunks out before he went to fight the Androids. Trunks lost his mentor & hero that day, & went happens later in the Buu Arc? Majin Vegeta knocks Trunks out before he sacrifices himself to Buu.
Bulma and Gohan's relationship from HOT and the Buu saga could be an echo, well he had no other option in the HOT since she was one of the few people left, but in that main timeline, there was no real reason for him to form a bond with her during the saiya man bit. Bulma and Goku had a relationship but Goku is dead at this point, and Gohan and Vegeta were not buddy buddy. The only straw that could be grasped would be he wanted to form a relationship with trunks because of future trunks, but that would have made Goten mad; him stealing his best friend and all lol.
We need more Harold Von Hugemuscles!
I thought it was going at the end of z and in gt Vegeta acknowledge Goku as the better warrior so their rival would end, I hope in super we get another 1v1
Mike always coming out with new, unique and super interesting topics to make videos on, proving Dragon Ball will never get old, there’s always something new to discuss. Keep up the amazing work, man. 💪 Happy to have been a sub for years now. 🙏
So one day trunks will get a sword in the main timeline, it might make him cool like future
I wouldn’t be surprised if Super Trunks finds a sword eventually.
@@welshlout3400 maybe they make "Tapion cannon." So called cannon
@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD Yup that’s an option. I’d prefer if they kept the DBZ movies in their own canonicity or ‘timeline’, but I like how they introduced a version of Broly into the main timeline so the door is open for having a canon counterpart of Tapion too.
Personally I think it’d be neat if they introduced a new Tapion-inspired character from one of the other universes. U6 would be obvious, so that people could link the two as literal counterparts to each other.
@@welshlout3400 honestly they could make the original movie fit in perfectly
@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD Yeah it can technically fit storywise but it would be an odd for Toriyama to come out and announce that this one Toei-produced DBZ movie from the 90’s is as of 2023 officially part of his story. Broly and Bardock were both given a fresh coat of paint when Toriyama decided he wanted to include them
When you really thnk about how interesting the android arc was thematically and all this stuff when Toriyama was influenced by western sci-fi. You get nothing like this in Super.
oh yes most deff. with terminator. then cooler reborn has that red scan read out like T2. lol.
too bad no dbz androids ever had t1000 abilities tho. ...i guess cell is somewhat what that is. 😆
History of Trunks is such a cool title
Cell crushing 16’s head reminded me of Freiza crushing Gohan’s head back on Namek
You know this video makes me think about Dragonball Super right now as even though the same Future Trunks we followed in Z came back for help, time will find a way to ripple itself to have a Kai like Zamasu that the Z fighters must battle in the main timeline even though Beerus destroyed Zamasu. Or... Frieza is gonna serve this similar role, we don't know but time is still correcting itself after Future Trunks came back.
in my headcanon cell saga goes full circle. Trunks and Gohan always had what they needed to win Gohan's potential was enough since his childhood, alas Trunks and Gohan used Goku as a walking stick, so they invested on the time machine plan . And Trunks allured by Goku and Vegeta doesnt bond with gohan even though he is his 'adopted father' in the future. even in DBS full grown gohan doesnt spend much time with trunks unfortunately. Goku sees that gohan had what they needed and trains him and him using one had kamehameha like future gohan is just the ribbon above it all
Future Gohan had what present Gohan had in terms of potential but unfortunately Future Gohan didn't have the benefit of being trained and recognised by Goku in the hyperbolic time chamber. Years n years of fighting and being on the run didn't allow him to prosper the way the Nurtured Present Gohan did
@@reemobk6499 yes , but you see what holds gohan back is his mind state, by beliving Goku would come back from the past he never goes all out. even in the new timeline against cell with access to the super saiyajin 2 he still needed goku and 16 to put him in the path to victory he belives he isnt strong enough and thus doesnt goes all out. even without goku's pointers we must assume that his 7 years of training were probably enough.
ps.: gohan seems to have free access to his full potential when he is mad and has the right state of mind so if he only truly belived and got mad he probably could go all out as a kid and adult
This is actually very very interesting
That was definitely a saiyan trait within cell. Wanting to see gohan’s raw high power
Fate is terrifying in Dragon Ball
You can just see how similar those echoes are to the visions from Bardock, they're all connected somehow
Mike can you do a video ab TOP in the manga explained
Always wondered why in Super that “future” Trunks never hit a new level seeing his mom and gf die. Guess if he did we wouldn’t have Goku Black arc.
Mai didn't die
ya plot convenience is why. ...same goes for future gohan. with his insane rage bursts he had since a kid from radditz. to nappa. to vegeta. to freeza. etc...
makes no sense he all of a sudden becames so weak when androids show up. n his dad gone n piccolo n others. u think all that sadness and anger would
push him over the edge!! he deff would have hit ss2 at some point. its ridiculous. oh well.
lol. but it made for a good arc tho.
About that tough voice person who you are imitating... I thought it was Jorgen Von Strangle from The Fairly Odd Parents.
Goku saving two universes and still dying in the process.
In the Cell Saga, the NEXT generation actually saves the world in our timeline and the future timeline, all Goku wanted to see when he came back for the Buu Saga lol
History repeats itself just like in Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero
Future Gohan is so freaking cool.
Vegeta getting slapped up very main villain
Bro said causality i immediately thought of berserk
oh man these DB videos getting deeper and deeper
Another time echo would be Gohan being the defender of the Earth after Goku’s passing.
When perfect cell did kill trunks which version of other works would be have gone to, present other world, or his timelines otherworld cause that's where he's from
Goku heart virus, vs Hit stopping Goku's heart
Frieza gets sliced clean in half on namek
Frieza gets sliced clean in half on earth
Was rewatching dbz with my girlfriend… and we just finished the cell saga