Cooper Stuff Ep. 177 - Why Christianity Today is Wrong About Oliver Anthony
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- Oliver Anthony’s viral hit “Rich Men North of Richmond” has become an unquestionable culture moment. Some have even gone further, calling it a right wing “culture war” song. Christianity Today published an article claiming that the song “doesn’t love its neighbors”- a point that I roundly disagree with. Today, I explain what I believe the song is about, and why, In my view, Christianity Today has not only missed the entire point of the song, but they are revealing yet again that they believe the true evil in society isn’t coming from the atheistic, secular, sexual, and socialistic revolution. Oh no! The true destruction of society that must be called out is anything that promotes traditional Christianity or conservative ideas.
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When the time comes, Christianity Yesterday will publish an article "how Getting the mark is the ultimate act of love to your neighbor"
I hate how accurate that is. 😭
They will want a seat at that table.
You’re exaggerating
By then, they will have changed their name to "Christianity after the rapture"
wow. 100 per cent
I had a time in my life (my rebellion phase, in college, of course) where I found myself single and pregnant. I had to go on welfare. I did not stay there. I went back to college, finished my degree in Music Education-Voice BTW. This was all made possible by grants, work study positions, and welfare. My tuition was paid, my books were paid; I had food stamps, health care, and cash for my rent and utilities. Was it enough? NO! I had to get roommates, share food, etc. It was really hard work. I remember many times pushing a stroller uphill loaded down with baby, baby things, groceries, laundry...ugh. But we made it. After graduation, I did not seek a job for fast big money. I chose to look for a job that offered benefits and a pension. I found a great job where I flourished. I was able to live a simple, comfortable life. Was it hard? Absolutely, especially when daughter #2 came along. Ten years later, I found myself back at the altar and rededicating my life to Jesus. Through it all, I began to see God's hand in my life path. Fast forward 30 years, I am now retired, teaching Children's Church, and serving my church family any way I can, saying yes and amen always. I am thankful that welfare was there for me, and I have repaid that money many times over through my taxes, making it possible for other single mothers to choose the same path. I agree 100% with John's comments. Welfare is a place to be for a season, if needed, but it is NOT a place to live. And yes, government, get out of my business.
Your story is very inspiring and I so admire your hard work. May I offer one caveat? It sounds as if, as a college student, you weren't a believer in Christ. If you were, the right choice would have been to turn toward God's people rather than government. That's what the Church is for. You would have received help--and much more--but it would have required change in your life. I'm guessing that you see that now. Blessings to you.
@@mchristr you are correct. I was not living for Christ during this time. I had turned my back on the church for about 20 years. The hardest years of my life, with plenty of faulty and unwise decisions being made. But God makes up for lost time...
@@darleneschell822 Yes, He does. You have a tremendous testimony to God's faithfulness.
The line "Minors on an island somewhere" is a refence to the issue of human trafficking and the government response to it. Oliver Anthony's video "It's a pleasure to meet you" breaks down the song starting at the 4;20 mark. He says the song "touches base on human trafficking" and then expresses that even though he feels he stands in the center of the political aisle "one of the worst things a human being can do is take advantage of a child, and I can't begin to conceptualize what has to happen to someone in order for them to think that's okay. I think I drew the line on being quiet when I started to see that becoming normalized."
Keep fighting the good fight, John! Though I've only recently discovered your podcast, it has been hugely beneficial in my walk with the Lord! Thank you!
When I heard this line “I wish politicians would look out for miners and not just minors on an island somewhere” he is talking about miners who work in coal mines how we don’t look out for the coal miners that have lost there jobs and how the government doesn’t care about them or there families we are always taking care of other people instead of our own people yes we do need to talk about children and human sex trade but can’t we help someone closer to home you know the little guy as well as people who are in the sex trade. That’s my take
I knew a pastor that led a small church in a rural area. He would drive to another church to work as a custodian, full time, an hour away to support his family and ministry.
I like your take on the song. When I heard him reference minors on an island somewhere, I couldn't help but think about the Jeffrey Epstein scandal. Instead helping miners, they're helping themselves to minors.
That was my take on that line as well
I'm pretty sure that's what he meant.
It's interpreted, but yes, Epstein Island is an interpretation. Also starving Americans while our government takes care of other places like Haiti.
Exactly. And Cooper didn't have the guts to say it. He made excuses.
That line right there tells you all you need to know about Oliver Anthony and Cooper.
@@salina2535 That is the truth
The line that continually is on repeat in my head is “ living in a new world with an old soul. “
The one lyric that struck a nerve with me most was obese people buying junk food with their food stamps. I used to work as a grocery store cashier. I saw what people purchased with their food stamps. This verbiage about "people can't help it--they live in food deserts" is nonsense! They had access to healthier choices at the grocery store I worked at. No one was preventing them from it. They chose Twinkies and Cup Cakes instead
The writer gave a good explanation on his YT channel
38:56 Exactly! The obvious thing she missed is that her family had an actual need in spite of hard work while Anthony was talking about who aren’t working and are just not taking care of themselves.
The podcast with Jordan Peterson was very interesting. Some sage approach on goal setting near the hour mark.😮 God Bless all.
I can’t believe some of the things I’ve seen “Christianity Yesterday” soaking against. So so sad.
Keep speaking the truth John!
Can I add, Oliver’s song seems like bullet points of everything that’s broken, and Washington can’t fix it, and is actually making an effort to make everything worse.
Great point John! Atheistic Conservatism & Atheistic Liberalism lead to the same destination. The difference is the speed at which they arrive there. In CHRIST alone our hope is found.
Could not agree more. The yuppies who were doing this exact thing in the late 60's and early 70's have now become the establishment. I hope and pray that people wake up and see that it's the government who's divided this Country, and that we get through this and become a stronger, united nation.
Keep being in the Word and speaking out. Sharing your podcast.
I haven’t looked at an article in Christianity Today in two decades! I’m glad I didn’t know about this till just now. Keep going Cooper Stuff!! Ps that’s my maiden name maybe we’re related lol
One point of context in that song: I immediately thought of the minors on an island somewhere being trafficked by the uniparty. Epsteeeens illand sort of shenanigans.
Thank you John for continuing to stand for Biblical principles. I can't tell you how much that means to me and many others! I'm increasingly disillusioned with many professing Christian artists ,media and pastors that take anti-biblical, worldly stances; it's heartbreaking. They are leading so many astray! God bless you🙏
I didn't realize how invested I had become in some "artists" until they broke with the faith. Devastating.
BOOM! my parents had to get food stamps for formula when I was a baby, they didn't have much. then, little by little, they worked their TAILS off while still being amazing parents & now they can afford much more.
I think if my husband had a salary of 23,000 and we had 3 kids in Appalachia, I could totally do it. As a homeschool Mom of 6, I was able to budget and cook simple foods with no public assistance for years on an average annual income of 32,000. I nailed it. When there's a will, there's a way. Also, no one knew we were poor!
I think his reference to our taxes paying for fudge rounds is, junk food should not be allowed to be purchased with food stamps. They should only be able to buy actual "food." Not junk food.
“Minors” not “miners”. He explains in one of his videos. Because of human trafficking. Thanks for your good work!! “Christianity yesterday” haha, I love it!
When writing you tend to have people put things in double and triple entendres. The part of the county he is from specifically has absolutely collapsed and it was primarily built around coal mines. The second part being the part you are saying it has to be about Epstein and child trafficking and such. It hits both. He may have stated he had a preference of the points he wanted to push forward but don’t discount the others just cause of it.
Took my girls to 3 of your concerts over the years. I had no idea you shared such a similar world view as I do. It's refreshing and a bit of a relief too. I just found this podcast. Great stuff. Thank you.
Sometimes a man has an imperfect way to express what is rightfully honest... a spotty anthem from a pure place still can affect change
Oliver went on the biggest podcast on this planet and read Proverbs. He spoke to millions of people. God has a plan for this man.
Well done Brother! Can not wait to see you and the crew at @UpriseFest 2023 - safe travels!
Thank you so much for what you are doing John, you are so appreciated!
Got the book in audible, as neither the print or kindle versions are available. Looking forward to finishing it quick! Great episode today, very on point as usual. We must pray for the Church and our Countries. God Bless,
Thank you for being one of the very few dudes, whose music I listened to as a kid, who didn’t let me down by being a jerk or giving in to modernism and woke ideology. It makes me look back on seeing your shows and hanging out with Skillet at Lifest in Oshkosh a few years much more fondly. I’m Catholic, so there are some theological differences, but you fight for the Truth and that’s awesome! You mentioned you don’t know much about Catholicism in this video. I might be a little biased, but it might be worth checking out! Keep fighting the good fight, brother! May God bless you and your family!
This is definitely my new favorite podcast! Love having a Christian musician “and bassist” 😉 take on this stuff
My parents probably should have taken advantage of some gov't resources for a time. We fell on hard financial times when I was in middle school and my grandmother sent grocery money for a few years. We had to use a lot of gas in rural Maine, a lot of oil for heating, and we got by with very little. They didn't even consider using any other support bc they are hardy New England stock and gritted their teeth and raised me well. I am so proud of anyone who needs to use those gov't resources for a time and then pull themselves out and choose to work towards success and dignity.
Sitting here in my recliner on day 5 of my first case of covid.
Thank you John, for your channel and your faithfulness.
Keep Rocking for King Jesus!
Good moment to play some Video games, I love em', heck my generation invented games in the 80's (I'm 51) Generation X. I Covid 3 times and got the 1st Jab but not the boosters, I am ex-Track & Field, played Basketball until I was 32, and served 9 years in the military and now I am having heart palpitations and angina. The Plandemic.
John's on FIRE! He is going after the false teaching in the church like Jesus going after the hypocritical Pharisees. LOVE IT!
John, I really love hearing you talk about music industry culture as it relates to Biblical theology and the political conversation in the U.S. would really love to hear you do a Cooper Stuff podcast on your partnership/affiliation with Battle Cry Coalition/Teen Mania circa 2005-2007 era. I saw Skillet play at the Nashville Municipal Auditorium in either 2006 or 2007 as a teenager and now knowing how Teen Mania devolved I’m super curious of your thoughts and personal experience with Ron Luce and the organization leaders- especially since the themes of war are prevalent themes in Skillet’s music. Blessings! Keep up the good work and the outstanding content in Cooper Stuff and your music endeavors!!
Great ‘take’ on ChristianityYesterday’s article about this heartfelt new song by Oliver Anthony! It is truly heartbreaking that ‘progressives’ are so unBiblical in their vantage points!
I hope you keep doing the music topic podcast. The last few you have done have been great. I really like the one with Alisa Childers. Both of you being in the music biz.
How about why CT is not Christian?
Another great Cooper Stuff!!!
He wasn't speaking against EVERYONE on welfare, just those who are abusing it. As you said, I thought that was obvious, but the CT author didn't get that.
Very well done!
I tried for a long time to listen to more progressive Christian podcasts to hear alternative viewpoints and discourse. But they are so entrenched and myopic that they truly do not offer an alternative viewpoints, instead it’s just progressive, left leaning talking points, wrapped in neo fundamentalist Christianity.
Listened to this and immediately found and followed you on Rumble. 😉
Love this podcast!!! I can’t wait to see Skillet in a couple days at the Oregon State Fair!!! Wish I could meet you guys
They should do a cover of "Rich Men North of Richmond".
The article is written based on emotion and nothing more. This is what the left does. You take a song that doesn’t even claim to be Christian, cherry pick a few words from it, ignore the obvious point the song is making about obese people abusing welfare (I’m thinking of Hilary Swank’s mother in Million Dollar Baby), and pretend that this means no God-fearing Christian should applaud the song.
I am so sick of the emotionally-driven manipulation that comes from the left, whether it’s under a Christian guise or not. Thank you for this video.
Father God bless & keep you & your loved ones always!!!
HAHAHAHA....When you said "poop" all I thought about was Adam Sandler in Billy Madison haha "He called the S@#T POOP"!
Back in the day when AOL chat rooms were relevant I was a chat host for Christianity Today. Then it was awesome and so inspiring and I was able to lead many people to Christ through its ministry. I am so sad how far this company has fallen from God’s truth over the decades. They are of the devil today and are so liberal.
I was interested in your take on this song soon as it came out. Love the music talks from a musician!
You’ll love my Anti-Mandate song! m.ruclips.net/video/zCFCFo1yUzQ/видео.html
This is bold & it is very thought provoking. We are warned about the season of delusion. Men will be given over to their own desires. The lukewarm church, God will spew out. Being useful to His Kingdom whether hot or cold is good. Pastor Brandon of RHC explains it better.
Welfare as a safety net, not a trampoline.
About the "fair wage", the story of the guys who go to work for the farmer and every one got one denari no matter how long they worked that day. The boss said I told you this would be your wage, you accepted, and it's my money to do with what I want, (I'm paraphrasing) would be a good biblical reference, I think.
When I read the Christianity today article I immediately thought you'd make a video about it. 👍
I don't know if anybody reads these. I LOVE listening to your show, but my main platform for listening is google podcasts. Your show is listed there, but your new episodes don't push through. Would love to listen to you consistently on that platform.
About the topic of the use/abuse of Welfare, I think what is meant (by you and Anthony’s lyrics) is probably summed up in that old saying, something like-> If you give a man a fish you feed him for a day, but if you teach them *how to fish* you feed him for a lifetime.
IMO, (all too often here in Canada 🍁) instead of people using welfare as the *’safety net’* it was designed as while they ‘learn how to fish’, so to speak, it’s being used, frankly, as a *permanent solution* to enable some people to be lazy, to not have to worry about work or learning new skills, whatever it takes to help get back on their feet. Welfare was meant to be a stepping stone to help people and families out *until* they are able to take care of themselves (and their families) - obviously unless they have a permanent disability etc.
And as many other comments say, the “island” and the “minors” referred to (vs miners) is Epstein Island and the pure evil that went on there.
Love the show!!🙏🏼 God bless and MARANATHA from Canada!🇨🇦
Politicians must keep crisis alive to pretend to be a hero. NO promises kept.
If Oliver changed his name to Woody, and scribbled "This Guitar Kills Fascists" on his Resonator, Christianity Today would praise the song and PBS would be making a documentary.
Funny how that works, isn’t it?
😂
I am so tired of being bludgeoned to death by “love your neighbor” when it isn’t it. And I’m over Big Eva wolves
I read the article, had to skim some parts. It only sounded more of self victimization while blaming her church members for her self imposed shame.
If my memory serves me, I remember back around 2000, a "christian" magazine launched called Relevant. The mag was billed as the "christian" Rolling Stone focused on art, music, cinema reviews, culture, etc. Right away it came off a progressive "christian " thing. The founder was the son of Christianity Today's president at the time (as I recall), so apparently the fruit didnt fall far from the tree. Its sad because it was a portent of things to come, not the Christianity, but American Evangelicalism.
In truth, there's 2 churches in the world, the visible church and the invisible church. The one that is visible is made up of everything from the unsaved, to nominals, to real believers. The invisible church is only made up of born again believers. Technically, they are both visible, and called the church by the world.
But even the true church, the end times church, is weak and ineffective because of leaven. That's why there aren't many truly prophetic voices, but rather there are people claiming to be that.
No wonder people grasping for truth have latched on to Oliver (Chris) Anthony. Like Dylan was over 50 years ago, Anthony is , today...a reluctant prophet.
Hey, God can speak through an ass (Balam's ass) if he has to.
While Chistiany Today has ceased to speak truth, God doesn't cease.
Who in ancient Israel responded well to thier prophets?
The false prophets said what the people wanted to hear, "all is well"
while God's men call out true injustice, AND sin.
Lets hope and pray Oliver (who is not a prophet) continues to walk with God in humility and keeps putting God 1st in his life, if he does, that will bear fruit. I dont put faith in man, so I'm hopeful, but realistic.
My dad was a union democrat basically todays republican he told me from a young age, welfare is only if you are out of work you collect till you get another job, your taxes pay for it but you get back to work as soon as you can then you get off! It’s a temporary assistance not made to be permanent
I was waiting for you to speak about the song. Not because of the song itself, but the response to it-especially so-called Christians. Love your take-as per usual.
😂😂Christianity yesterday😂😂 You nailed that for sure!!
When I heard the song, I immediately knew what he meant cos I have the same view and see the same things.
A couple of things. I know Pastors that worked 2 jobs while being Pastors. A Pastor is a calling NOT an opportunity for financial gain. If your Church can afford to pay you great but many small Churches cant. How about your people know that you are having a hard time - be humble. In the old days the Congregation would rally around their Pastor and drop off groceries at their doorstep.
Learn to work online. You want to make some money from home that is the way to go. There is always somewhere to make money. If you need SNAP then ok take it but it should be short term. Just my opinion....
I can attest that working onlne has become the best thing for me financially. I have a car with over 100k miles on it, that I don't have to pay for wear and tear on, because I don't have to get out every day and drive it. And with technology making it more possible and plentiful to work remotely, there's simply no excuse not to take advantage of it
"Christianity Today" is "Rolling Stone" of Christian pop culture.
And it is just as worthless as Rolling Stone magazine.
Sadly that's a good analogy
Your getting it kids, a word of truth in the midst of us a society with a voice. Mass programing...
Brett Cooper talked about Oliver Anthony days ago, and she gave her opinion about beautiful the song is, and it connected a lot of people. She even said what Christianity Today said is wrong. Hehe. I commented on her video about what I thought about the song, so I won't repeat what I say. Good episode, John.
Totally unrelated, but are you gonna do a video this friday? When you're playing a show in my state? It'll be the first time seeing y'all for my wife and me and my daughters first concert altogether. She's been a fan ever since she would hear us blasting awake in the car when she was three...now she'll be 18 in a week and a half and I hope she's thrilled with her early birthday present
I appreciate your take on this
This was good bro.
Keep it up!
God bless you, your work, your family and your krew.
God bless you!
Stay golden.
SOLI DEO GLORIA
(To The Glory Of God Alone)
Father, Son & Holy Spirit
-Ronnie
Just one more reason why I prefer the title of, "Believer in Christ" instead of Christian. Too many people have tarnished what being a Christian means.
Dude. I don’t know how I haven’t found this podcast before today. Been jamming to skillet for 20 years as of this month. Would love to see you get together with John Lovell of Warrior Poet Society for a discussion of some of the topics you’ve touched on recently.
Correct. This is about elitist control who desire to dominate humanity. Any born again Saint & I let us still pray for these government officials to be ruled by God from Heaven and more righteous ruling vs. doing nothing. The prayers of Lord God Almighty & the Saints IS Powerful. Have that faith Saints & to come out of her My people so you don't perish with this ever darkening world. Amen. 🙏🙏🙏.
I’m an obese person who works in retail and I’m not on welfare but I see abuses in skinny and normal people too. People come in fully tatted, gold chains everywhere, manicured nails and they complain about the “ free” choices the government has graciously given them! Frustrating!
You don't have to be obese. Skinny is a choice
@@kate60 thanks for the edumucation, lol. And no, I don’t want to be skinny. 🤦♀️
This argument about people living in "food deserts" and have no other choice is crap! Walmart is usually within a mile of most people. They have a wide variety of fruits and vegetables available for people to spend their food allowance on. They choose Twinkies and Cup Cakes instead
I feel like “Christianity Today” would say that Jesus didn’t love his neighbors.
Especially the ones he called vipers and the sons of Satan 😂
Yes! Totally agree with you! She’s totally missing the point! She did not stay on welfare the rest of her life. She used it for a season until she could get on her feet. They were physically able to work so they did. They tried to better their situation. There are many that don’t. That’s their paycheck. They are perfectly able to work but they don’t because they don’t want to. That’s what he’s talking about.
Is there any place in the Bible that references the Apostles working or were they only getting support from Christ's followers and their other Christian friends? Just curious. Thanks
John I couldn’t agree with u more-the confusion arises when progressives refuse to understand/accept common sense lyrics of this great song. We have a minority of the country-who consider themselves as educated elites who run media,academics,the uniparty (democrats and republicans),oligarchy businesses that made a fortune off of Covid-19 and being anti-Trump. This man wrote a song that goes against all of that and tries to reason with our common sense. Our country is over as the candle for all the world to see if we don’t return to the constitutional republic (not democracy) that our founders set us up to be! May u and your family be blessed for the great work you’re doing!
Hey mate nice flash of the devils hand sign at the beginning.
Wheres your head at ???
I am a libertarian with conservative values. I do NOT trust either party. I’m for downsizing the federal government by about 90%. They have not “served” the people for well over 100 years.
If you can't differentiate that the song is talking about obese people who are milking welfare to just continue their consumption of junk food and make it worse versus people who really need welfare.......wow. And I say that as a person who the societal norms would consider "obese".
There is at least one organization that publishes a “fair wage” guide for people in ministry that adjusts for both church size and region of the country:
its about both political parties and how they both fell us. Great Words!
Thanks Cooper for the clarity. Here’s a subject I would like for you to think about pursuing. The nation of Hungary is hated by the left because of its conservative/Christian values. What is happening in that country? Is the gospel being advanced there? Is the church thriving there? What values have been embraced by the Hungarian people that make it a place the left hates?
Christinatiy Today is just that-There is nothing Christian about this publication and its shows the progressive views of of the Christian left. Stop reading Christianity Today and read your BIBLE. Oliver is saying what most of us feel, I know he is a newer Christian and we need to pray for him.
The new strain is the EV2. (Election Variant 2)
Excellent biblically sound and reasoned opinions.
Another great podcast! Thanks for these inspiring videos. I look forward to them each week.
On the point of Christian artists coming out in support of lockdowns, I was very disappointed to recently find out that Dawn Michele, from Fireflight, was supportive of the masks the first time around and supported the whole making Juneteenth a thing.
They focus on the second greatest command while entirely ignoring the first. 🤔
Thank you JohnCooper
He is right, I know I say this all the time, but it's true.
I'm glad he's speaking out about this.
He got my full support.
And I can't believe.
He talked about cardi be.
Megan a stallion?
demi lovato
He shocked me.
But this made me laugh🤣
Did everything he was saying it's true?
I can't believe they let that happen.
They need to honor him.
He deserve it.
The music industry.
Need to get better.
I can't find good songs without them doing nasty things.
I grew up in the 2 thousand
I'm not used to the new world yet.
I am so sorry about the autocorrect I tried my best.
Thank you for listening🖤
38:20 Although I don't think there is a way to necessarily determine a perfect wage for a pastor. I believe it to be shameful that a congregation allowed their spiritual leader to essentially go hungry. This goes against the command laid out to us in I Corinthians where Paul talks about muzzling the ox that treds out the wheat.
Hey John !!!!
They are so far off. I was hoping you were going to speak on this and have been waiting. I work in a business that gives me a large sampling of the welfare community. There are some that fall into the condition she describes but the prevailing attitude is entitlement. We're talking scores of able-bodied people who are content to eat from the government's hand. They have no desire to work. They do well enough to carry iPhone and androids and name brand clothing so they're not exactly struggling. They expect everything to be free which the government loves because they want to be our providers and saviors rather than God Almighty.
Things have changed and to use an outlier scenario to shame him while ignoring the rest of the truth in what he said either isn't good analysis or reveals an ulterior or more subversive motive. I read the lyrics on Matthew Blake (aka Flamy Grant) and they are vulgar, perverse, heretical, deluded, and blasphemous but they had NOTHING to say. He used some harsh language but is genuine and it seems the Lord is working on him. Obviously we have compassion, but we are at a point where people are so fast asleep they need to be shaken.
Speaking of this article, doesn’t the author know that some churches can’t afford to pay the pastor a living wage? Did the church her husband pastored not tell them that before he accepted the position? That’s normally disclosed ahead of time. There are many pastors who are bi-vocational for that reason.
For some, Art and Irony just can't exist in the same verse. 00:43:00
Oliver Anthony actually explained both lyrics and both are about discord and a broken system. The miners/ and minors on an island is about what any one with a brain understands. OA idolizes his grandfather who was coal miner in Appalachia and he was abhorred that anyone could have the mentality to sexually abuse a child; IOW the lyric is supposed to be biting sarcasm about politicians ignoring the welfare of the working class while involving themselves in, protecting, or ignoring child trafficking because it is an inconvenient consequence of their political worldview. It astounds me the simply mentioning Jeffery Epstein, caused the liberal press to scream right wing conspiracy theory, even after his wife Ghislaine Maxwell was given a 20-year sentence for luring and grooming teenage girls to be sexually abused and exploited by Epstein
If you include the preceding lyric of the obese lyric, "There are folks on the street that have nothing to eat and the obese milking welfare". IOW, its about the disconnect between people who have fallen through the safety net and those that abuse it. More specifically the idea for the second half of the lyric came from an article OA read which said 30% of food stamps are used to buy junk food while there is an epidemic of obesity; it wasn't about obese people, it was about a broken system that allows people to both starve and eat themselves to death.
i used to subscribe to Christianity Today back in the late 1980s and early 1990s, and back then they seemed to be a conservative, pro-Reagan magazine. It's sad to see them go so liberal.
What's a fair wage for a pastor? I wouldn't dare to set a number, not least because it's going to vary widely from one part of the country to another, but it should be sufficient for him to support his family, with a reasonable degree of comfort, as the sole wage-earner. The pay should be commensurate with the education they expect him to have, which in most churches would be a graduate degree. He shouldn't be living in the lap of luxury (I'm looking at you, Kenneth Copeland), but if his family is properly on public assistance, the church is failing its pastor.
If the church isn't able to do that, it needs to be clear that it's seeking a bivocational pastor. And it also needs to clearly understand and accept that a bivocational pastor just isn't going to have the time or energy to devote to the ministry that a univocational pastor will.
The main question to the progressives should be, "Where are we progressing to(and What)?"
I said no... At the start last time🎉 to all bs. Conditioning then, control.
God and Caesar
15 Then the Pharisees went and plotted how to trap Him by what He said.[a] 16 They sent their disciples to Him, with the Herodians. “Teacher,” they said, “we know that You are truthful and teach truthfully the way of God. You defer to no one, for You don’t show partiality.[b] 17 Tell us, therefore, what You think. Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar or not?”
18 But perceiving their malice, Jesus said, “Why are you testing Me, hypocrites? 19 Show Me the coin used for the tax.” So they brought Him a denarius. 20 “Whose image and inscription is this?” He asked them.
21 “Caesar’s,” they said to Him.
Then He said to them, “Therefore give back to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” 22 When they heard this, they were amazed. So they left Him and went away.
America wasn't founded by Caesars and we won't willingly live under one. Thankfully the people who did found the country made sure that Romans 13 couldn't be used by tyrants to enslave and abuse the population under the false auspice of "divine right". Plus, our taxes don't go to the US government. They go to the European oligarchs that were allowed to mint our money with illusory debt attached to it starting in 1913. We have the right to stop using their currency and go back to being a nation that mints its own currency without income tax. You're welcome. Thankfully I have a knowledge of history as well as theology. You can keep tap dancing for a Caesar if you want to though, lol.
Agreed.
@@Flinshot1 what exactly do you agree with? Cause we have a common misconception with modern technology today on one hand we believe God institutes all government which the Bible does in fact teach yet the same people say we must rebel against the government and that we are capable of governing ourselves when the Bible clearly says God institutes all government to keep us in check and we are commanded to summit to all human institutions and we pay taxes as a result of our fallen nature do you not believe the scriptures when it is written we must submit to the authorities and that they are instituted by God? All forms of government
According to Chris, (Oliver Anthony), upwards if 60 to 70%of purchases on Snap, ebt, etc is Soda pop, candy,,and junk food. You see these people in Walmart sitting on the handicap scooter with both butt cheeks dragging the ground, and their basket overflowing with twinkies and ho hos, and oreos, and coke. And they usually are griping about not having a big enough ebt deposit. If you ask them what they do for a living, they say they make more sitting home watching the view vs going to work.
Hey Cooper. I also think the lyric about caring about minors on a island somewhere..may be referring to epstein Island and minors being trafficked. I have seen and heard other people think that but unless Oliver Anthony comes out and says exactly it's all up for interpretation.