Cooper Stuff Ep. 174 - The Rot In Christian Music
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
- Last week, NRT (New Release Today) published an article called What The Bleep Is Happening To Christian Music? It discusses the trend of shocking things happening in Christian music like dropping F bombs in songs, a Christian drag artist, sexual innuendo, and suggestive dancing. Today we will look at the article and discuss these items, but more importantly, we’ll look at some of the negative responses that NRT received from christian industry insiders! It’s truly marveling to see people who claim to follow Christ make such ridiculous statements; but even more disturbing is that they misuse the Bible to justify their claims. The rot is real. We’re bout to turn some heads with this episode.
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What these artists mean by "I'm tired of hiding my sin" is "I'm tired of fighting my sin".
Because compromise is so easy but consequences aren't 😔 so sad
Thanks for standing up for Christ and using your platform for Him.
amen
So glad I didn't go to that church
We can clearly see who is biblical and who is not these people are unbelievable are the pastors ok with because fame and fortune ? Wow...
John, we are Christian artists ourselves and we've been noticing this too! We write songs about important topics within the culture and the church (such as false pastors/teachers, the definition of biblical marriage, even the evils of abortion) and we've been turned away by countless labels as well as other Christian artists for being "too controversial". What happened to Christian artists being salt and light for biblical truth, no matter the cost?? Thank you SO much for this video. It is going to do massive good for the industry, even if most of the industry can't see it yet. God bless, brother!
How do I find you? Do you have any music out? I'd love to check it out!
Yeah what they said any links? that's my kind of music.
@@nathanhimbeault8433 search zoetic
@@nathanhimbeault8433
I just clicked on her YT picture and subscribed
I'd buy your music. It doesn't need labels.
As a new artist who is Christian, I absolutely intend to show my scars, be honest about who I am, and live "like I'm on the way." But that means to me that I actually put the effort into being more like Christ and showing my progress on that journey, not just displaying everything wrong with me and saying "that's who I am, take it or leave it." Christ told me to deny myself and follow Him. Not "just be myself."
I won't ever claim to be perfect or any better than any better than anyone. But Christ didn't die for me to just use him as a get out of jail free card to keep living in sin.
Actually, what you need to do is show Jesus scars and talk about Jesus he must become greater we must become less. The true Christian artist will try to be invisible and not a star. After 40 some years as a musician and 40 some years in the Christian community, I say, beware of all celebrity, and all that would lore you to celebrity. Could be better off, sitting around the campfire, strumming songs, and sharing Jesus with people. God bless you may lead you and guide you always in Jesus name.
Keep pressing forward never stop
Thank you for being one of the few Christian artist standing up for biblical values and for actually knowing and teaching who the Jesus of the Bible is.
Being a fan before Skillet went mainstream, I was worried that the industry would change you guys, or that you'd fall away like so many favorites. Thank you SO MUCH for not falling away but also for being so strong in the faith and encouragingthe rest of us! ❤
But the music got rotten and what else with it? The goal was make money and be more famous I guess?
After listening this I'm glad he is now on the truth. There are not many.
But the music (fruit?) is still rotten, why don't you first fix your own music?
What needs to be fixed? Could you give a direct example? Just don't like the style, or is there something unbiblical in their music? I've not heard it, so I'm curious.@@JJ79_
I grew up listening to jars of clay, dc talk, newsboys, audio adrenaline, third day, all star united, johnny q. public, skillet, smalltown poets, big tent revival. I feel like Christian music fell off artistically in the 2000s...then I read about lots of artists going off the deep end with the woke stuff. I'm so glad John is staying true!
Jars of Clay was one of the first big name Christian bands to fall away unfortunately.
Woke stuff is Jesus stuff -
@@garretarchibeck3812 😂
@@garretarchibeck3812 wokism is Satanism. PERIOD.
@@BigAlvideos101Are Jars no longer believers??
"My #1 calling is sanctification."
Yes! 🙌🏼
Keith Green said it so often and I dearly wish he was still around, but thank you for speaking truth! No Compromise. Love you, Cooper, and pray for you and your family. ♥♥
Keith Green had such a profound impact on my walk and I was born after he died. It is amazing how God used him even after he was called home. Still singing his music and showing it to my little ones.
It would be very interesting to see how Keith Green would be writing, singing and preaching to the church the last few years, and now. I am still touched by his music, especially “Prodigal Son Suite” and Psalm 8
Oh, I loved Keith Green’s music and voice. One of my favorites was - When I Hear The Praises Start
What a beautiful song!
He died July 28, 1982. I was a young mother back then.
Did you guys know that two of Keith & Melody’s children were with their father when the plane they were in crashed? Their names were Josiah and Bethany. Bethany was 2 yrs old, Josiah was 5 and Keith was 30. They also had a 1 yr old daughter named Rebekah who wasn’t on the airplane and 8 months after the crash Melody gave birth to another child, a girl named Rachel.
@@RedRemnant1226 I was a young mother of 3 boys under the age of 5. I was 24. My husband and I (still married😊) were super into “Last Days Ministries” and Melody and I had even corresponded. We were so rocked badly when the plane went down. There was also another whole family on the plane with little kids, and of course the pilot. It was very tragic and to be honest, I still don’t understand it to this day. We’re still walking with Jesus, and He knows. I am looking forward to meeting Keith Green someday. The Lord bless you Lisa!
I love Keith green music ,chuck Girard,Don Francisco, ,not so much Amy grant, she always put me in cat stress
Even in the secular part of the world where I work in part as a live audio mix engineer, I DO NOT partake in the same things these people do and (shocker!) the bands/organizers notice and ask questions when I don't drop f bombs and curse after a drummer drops their kit on my foot. We're called to be set apart, in the world, but not OF the world.
I bet what you said was...."ow."
"You don't have the balls to be Peter." John Cooper keeping it real. 😂
Remember back in the 90s when "No Compromise"was like the Christian motto? I remember writing it all over my notebooks and binders even on my Jeans. How is it that we knew it back then as youth but somehow forgot it as adults and have let even the next generations influence us to compromise.
“I have to swear to reach the lost.”
My brother in Christ, you ARE the lost!
"You're expecting people to live like Jesus, and it's mean!!!" 😂😂 Thanks for sharing this, Coop. May people have eyes to see and ears to hear. No compromise.
My "true,authentic" life is as a CHRISTIAN, not as a pagan, lusting, cussing, worldly man! If these singers make a practice of continuing to sin, they AREN'T TRUE CHRISTIANS! God's standard is HOLINESS! I REALLY APPRECIATE this episode of your podcast! Blessings to you, John Cooper!
I'm one of those former teenagers who bought Skillet's Alien Youth album back in 2001. I'm SO happy to see you are still standing unapologetically for God's truth. John, thank you so much for your sincerity and humility. I found myself falling for some of the deconstruction and progressive false teaching as it slowly crept into the church and music industry.
Like one my favorite songs from Alien Youth, "Will You be there' which ministered to me as a teenager, God's love and grace is never failing. He's always there waiting for us to get on the right track and steering our lives in ways we can't even imagine.
Never compromise! Stand for Christ who is the truth!
Same. bought Alien Youth and liked it so much I bought all the previous albums as well. LOVED the worship album, still listen to it to this day occasionally!
Same! I actually bought it because a magazine said they sounded like a secular band my boyfriend at the time loved and I wanted to try to get him into Christian music. I hadn’t heard any of stuff prior to that, but instantly fell in love.
Thanks for saying something about The Shack. I was concerned when I saw you on the soundtrack. It's great to hear you say something about realizing it was not a great book/movie.
i loved the movie, its fiction that points to God. its not meant to be factual
@@matthewdavis418Completely agree. People are so uptight. The movie wasn't meant to be a literal translation to scripture.
@@joncharlotteschoenDid I miss something with that movie? I watched it and understood it as a work of fiction and not directly scriptural word for word. I enjoyed it
@@matthewdavis418it's based on bad theology which led many down the wrong path. I know because a friend of mine went wrong
Watch a couple of videos by the author. He meant every word of the book.
Yes, Yes, and Yes. Every word, yes. Thank you, John Cooper, for being a Bible-believing, God-fearing Chrstian Artist! Never stand down.
As a 33 year old Costa Rican girl who was so into Christian music in the early 2000s, I so appreciate and respect what you are doing!!!
Great stuff, John. If the church is like the world, how can we have anything different that the world will want? It’s absolutely ridiculous. We have to start standing up for Jesus Christ crucified, buried, and raised, period. He is our life. I grieve for Christian music. We must be separate from the world.
Exactly!!! I was hoping he would say something like this because if we look/act just like the rest of the world how are they even going to see Jesus?! How are they going to even want Jesus?! We have to be the light to the world and shine through all that darkness! In the Old Testament, the Jews had many laws to SET THEM APART from the rest of the world. We are STILL called to be set apart!!!! (Just in a different way from the old testament now because of the cross! ✝️🙌)
Amen. Every time I turn on our local "Christian" radio station, it sounds nearly identical to the secular pop station (but almost worse because majority of the music sounds phony and disingenuous).
John! I can’t thank you enough. No amount of thanks and no words can describe the appreciation I and other believers out there have for you standing up for God and for the gospel.
2 Timothy chapter 3 for sure! Thank you, Brother, for standing up for Truth! Keep preaching in love🙏🏻
That sounds familiar. 🤔
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I'm a singer/songwriter and a worship leader at a small church and I've never listened to Skillet, but I'm honestly touched by your boldness, maturity, and faith. God bless!
Years ago I would consider myself a worship leader but now I realize that I can’t even hardly lead myself to the Lord let alone anyone else that’s clearly the Holy Spirit‘s job. If I may say that we are servants in song in nothing more. The church is obsessed with the word, leader ship, and if you read the New Testament, you’ll find very little of it, but you will find Jesus speaking about serventhood. He who wants to be great among you must be leased. It must be a servant of all. I’m not saying any of this like barking at you or whatever I’m just sharing things that I’ve learned over the years and what the Lord is currently teaching me. Which is the Holy Spirit is the worship leader, and Jesus leads us to the father and we’re just servants. We’re like people with towels in our hands, wiping dirty feet that’s all. Praise the Lord, in Jesus name!
In my training as a safety instructor,!when we covered helping those who might be drowning there was a warning about jumping from the side of the pool, out of the boat etc. To leave a place of safety and stability not only left the victim in danger but now also the one trying to help is in danger as well. JESUS ate with sinners but never sinned. Thank you and Skillet for your music.
Hey John, I just wanted to say thank you for an amazing show at "City on the Hill" in Duluth Minnesota this past Thursday evening (aug 03). This was the first live music event I've ever gone to, and it was such an amazing experience for this 24 year old "normie" dude. Thank you for taking such a strong stand for traditional Christian values and for unapologetically calling on Christians across America (and Canada, yes I'm Canadian!🇨🇦) to return to actually following God and living in holiness according to His word. You and your band have been very influential in my life over the past three years through your music and especially this podcast. You are an inspirational example for the young people of my generation!!
- Signed, a Canadian panhead!
Jesus didn't become a junkie to reach a junkie. I went there and shared His hope. His, Life and His reality.
I recall going to see Switchfoot in Philadelphia for the first time ever in 2021. Having been a fan of the band since the early 2003 I was quite excited but totally thrown back when John Forman invites an LGBT guest up to sing on the premise of Love is Love. I literally had to leave as I could not believe what I was hearing. Thankful for your vocalness on this topic of the Christian Music industry. Sadly I think artist even Lauren Daigle who I agree is a talented artist have let acceptance go a bit far to the extreme of not standing firm to a higher standard. Yes we are to Love all but as Jesus sat with sinners he didn't tell them it was okay to sin.
Yes, I think Daigle blew it with her response. She even said too, "I can’t say one way or the other; I’m not God. When people ask questions like that, I just say, ‘Read the Bible and find out for yourself. And when you find out let me know because I’m learning too,’” she added. The last line is what REALLY bothered me!! And when "You" find out, let me know too! HUH? I thought you somewhat knew the word of God to be singing about Him! 🙄
@@MightyWomanOfGod9050 but does she sing about Him? i don't hear her mention His name in her songs, she's a crossover artist imho
Michael Card tells a story about a friend of his and how that man became a Christian. The man was a pot dealer in the late 70s early 80s. He went to a party in order to find someone to drive him to his distributor to get some more pot to sell. When he first arrived at the party one of his friends pulled him aside and told him “whatever you do don’t talk to THAT guy”. The man he was talking about seemed out of place by not really engaging in the alcohol and drug use but was likable enough. It ended up that the man had to ask the one he was supposed to avoid to drive him 2 1/2 hours away to pick up his stash. The man agreed and they were off. 30 minutes down the road the man found out why he needed to avoid the driver. The other man looked at him and said “Can I share with you about Jesus and how He has changed my life?” The man then cursed and told him absolutely not. The driver remained quiet for awhile but later asked the same question. Once again the man got angry and told him no. Silence again for awhile. A third time the driver asked but this time the Holy Spirit broke through and he allowed the man to share and it shattered the hardness of his heart and he became a Christian. THEN they turned around and drive back and his life was forever CHANGED. He did a spiritual 180 as well as physical 180. The driver was Keith Green. This is a great example of being in the world but not OF the world. We can’t let the world influence us to sin. We must repent and influence the world to become Christlike and say no to sin. There is no other way to impart the Gospel message to a sinful, dying world.
Ok John, I’ll add my voice to those applauding you and thanking you brother, for standing up for Christ and Biblical truth. God bless you! I’m old enough to remember seeing Keith Green and being so blessed by his genuine, no compromise faith back in the late 70’s. Jesus is the same, yesterday, today and forever!
You are REFRESHING! My son loves your music, and so I started quite awhile ago listening to "Cooper Stuff"...I'm an old guy...a "baby boomer"... there are no "generation gaps" between Christian folks who love Christ, God and His Word. Your conversations feed my (renewed) heart! THANKS N PRAISE GOD
Best comment! Thank you for sharing. In Christ there is no “old”and “young”! Just truth. True today, true a thousand years ago. Truth is eternal.
Truth is exclusive. Jesus excludes sin. Jesus welcomes repentance.
I thank God for you, John. Your views mirror my own. Seeing so many people claiming Christ but living like satan has been depressing me. This world is going crazy with basic logic turned on its head, but all of that are just symptoms of the lack of God in people's hearts. We have given in to sin so many times, we have given up trying to live like Jesus. It seems too hard, so instead, satan tells us we can live like the devil and as long as we claim Jesus as our savior, and we'll make it in. Like claiming Jesus as your savior are magic words used as the password to get into heaven. Please keep it up, John. I'm subscribed.
Excellent session today John. The deconstructing of Christianity so that it’s “easier to relate to people” is nothing more than watered down biblical truth.
Deconstruction is post modernist bs.
“Their true life?” Indeed it IS their true life…their unsaved life. By their fruits you will know them.
“These people honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me.” Matthew 15:8
John, I appreciate your humility to admit your mistake about affiliating with the Shack. You’re an encouragement to me to better admit my mistakes. Thanks for being faithful to Christ.
John, I completely agree with you. We win people to Christ by NOT looking like the world. The goal is to become more like Christ to the point where people no longer see me, but Christ in me. John, I know you don’t want to throw lots of Christian music artists under the bus but I am grateful when you talk about certain artists that are promoting godless ideas. My husband and I lead worship at a small church in Georgia and we are always trying to look for more outstanding Christian artists to follow and support. We have been long time fans of Skillet and short time fans of your podcast. Thank you for standing strong in Christ.
Thank you for reminding us all that sanctification is our life’s purpose. Over being a spouse or parent or whatever- sanctification is the purpose that our daily lives should reflect. I needed that nugget today.
Keep standing on the unchanging Word of God! AMEN!!
Great stuff John! It’s refreshing to hear a voice in the Christian community preaching the truth of Gods word and breaking down what is going on inside the culture today.
I know so many Christians who say things like “God just cares about the condition of your heart” to justify their excessive drinking, profanity, and other behaviors that imitate the world but don’t recognize that their heart is more concerned with exercising their personal freedoms than the Kingdom of God. It’s very frustrating and it’s getting worse.
With so many modern American churches refusing to preach repentance and holiness, are we really surprised? Just believe in Jesus and pray a little prayer and you're saved. It's sad that so many of these so called christian artists have no idea what is actually in the bible or what it means to truly be saved.
Friendship with the world is enmity with God. Thank you John.
Thank you for this!!!!!! SO thankful there's NO rot to be found in Skillet's music!!!!
And there never will be! Skillet won’t do that ‘cause they’re for real.
Just discovered the show. Been a huge fan since the Comatose tour. I love that Cooper is such a strong and unapologetic voice for Christ.
Thank you Bro. John!!! It's VERY sad that maybe some of these Christian artists don't even read the Bible... everything has to stand on God's Word.... anything else is sinking sand ... I was saddened to hear about some of these artists ... KEEP ROCKIN FOR JESUS 🫶
Thank you for your bold stand for Biblical values. And your music is awesome.
I've gained so much respect for John Cooper for not only sticking to his faith, but being as vocal about his faith as possible.
Glad you are speaking out about this, brother. As someone who was once in the Christian music industry I saw some of this beginning 25 years ago... The allure of the world is very strong. Christians need to beware of the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the boastful pride of life.
My household is giving you a standing ovation, Coop!!!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Incredible podcast this week! and honestly thank you for mentioning your song on the shack album. Knowing your stance against the progressive "church" and that book/movie was kind of a push towards that i never fully understood why you decided to be about of that sound track. But honestly the fact your willing to repent for stuff like that is amazing. I have failed so many times in my life and learning to repent myself is tough. I'm still trying navigate being a Christian, but also growing a RUclips channel in the movie space. The space is extremely progressive and trying to stay neutral is tough as a Christian. I try through my channel to create a positive space for people, without cussing or using profanity like other channels. Thank you for being such a light in this space! And if you ever need any help when it comes to growing on RUclips using RUclips shorts reach out because I'd LOVE to help if you ever needed it!
I’m glad my sister sent me this, because I’m about to start college for music production. This is helpful information and I agree with you
Cooper stuff is always 🔥 but THIS EPISODE!!!!! 🔥🔥🔥 John Cooper you are truly an amazing man of God and a wonderful inspiration and role model! THANK YOU for speaking truth!!!! 🙌 We cannot stay silent any longer!!!!!
John, thank you for not compromising. Thank you for standing up and holding the line. Thank you for setting an example of a godly man. Wishing you and your family all blessings and joy.
100% agree and so thankful for you and your platform that you can share this truth. Keep bringin' it!
Powerful stuff! The Bible does not say, "Be woke, Christians, compromise, and imitate the world." The Bible DOES say, "Awake, O sleeper, and arise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Love John Cooper, firm believer and follower of Jesus Christ! Stand up John!💪
great to hear someone speaking honestly and openly about how christian music is not christ centered
I just went to a Petra concert and the is no compromise in there musics. Never in their history nor today. Love musician like this.
I grew up with Christian music being a big part of my life. The 80s Christian rock was a great spiritual encouragement to me and a great alternative to what my unsaved friends were listening to. Skillet became one of my favorites early on as well. I still remember opening that CD with the black skillet on it and even sharing it with lost friends. I'm almost 50 now. And I've been a pastor for 27 years. Today, I still love Christian music. Do I have some concerns about it today? Absolutely. And especially the worship songs. But I treat Christian artists like the preachers of today. I use discernment. There are many songs and many sermons that don't line up with the Bible so I just move on. As far as Derrick Webb goes...that broke my heart to watch him sing in drag and sing a false message about Jesus. I reached out to CCM magazine about their promotion of his new album. They responded and let me know that Derrick actually deceived them to promote his album. They did not endorse it. Today, is a day we must filter all things Christian through God's word. Lord, give us discernment and give our musicians and pastors truth. Thanks John for all you do. We love Skillet and your podcast. My son is reading your book. Keep up the good work!
Yes, discernment! That has to come from the Holy Spirit. Some of the music sang at Christian concerts are so disappointing. And held at venues where alcohol is sold. Ugh.
Thank you John C...Awesome topic.! Needs to be shouted! We still need to Live Christ-like as scripture says!! The enemy is still a LIAR!!, especially towards these last days.!
MUCH needed John! So thankful you are here to stand up for the insanity that is happening. Jesus come quickly.
Thank you. John Cooper 👍👏👏🙏🙏
It's is so nice to see a young guy get fired up for the Lord. This is so needed. Thank you John
You know, listening to this, I’ve been pretty blind to what’s been going on. I had no idea there was such a thing as “progressive Christianity”. Makes sense in reading Revelation. Then seeing what is happening in the LGTB+ arena, then last straw for me… Sound of Freedom - we are not far from His return.
I had walked away, but knowing scripture things tugged at my heart and I just recently recommitted my life to Jesus Christ because of seeing what’s happened- which almost seems to be overnight - I could not deny any more.
Thank you for this!!! Watching The Chosen didn’t hurt either.
Hi John, thank you for this
pod cast today. I am a Pastor down here in Oklahoma and I can tell you for sure that the pressure to compromise God’s word is overwhelming on Pastors as well as Christian artists. I pray that God would continue to give all of us the grace to stand strong for Him. He is so worth it!
100% agree with you John!! This is part of the great falling away, the Apostate church. I was the number one Amy Grant fan and she has gone this route. When she gave a speech at the Kennedy honors, she said the “S” word. What a reproach as she was being honored as the “Christian” pop artist. Also in her new album, she says the “D” word in one of the songs. I’m done with her unless she repents. She has given Christianity a bad name. She has also embraced the LGBT folks. It breaks my heart. Keep preaching truth!!
True Robert,the artist known as Plumb has as well
Thanks John for breaking this down for us. This is an important time to know how to stand in the face of compromise.
Being in holiness circles skillet is greatly condemned. However I gotta say if people would get out of their presuppositions on orthopraxy and even what they consider orthodoxy I think even holiness Christian’s would look to skillet as the real deal. I gotta give you guys kudos for standing for truth and calling out the degeneracy in Christian music
Jesus reached the lost with, 'Repent for the kingdom of God is near." Lord, have mercy!
John you are a house built on a rock. Stand strong brother - keep preaching truth. Its getting weird and nasty out there.
I remember as a kid, Family Christian Bookstores used to have a chart in their music area which would point you towards a Christian band comparable to a secular one (If you like Creed, then maybe you'll like Kutless, etc). The point it seemed, was to provide an alternative Christian band that sounded like the secular version. The issue is that some of these "Christian" bands seemed like they went into the Christian music realm because they couldn't make it in the secular music realm. Christian bookstores, etc were all to eager to flock to them in order to peddle them as a Christian alternative to their customer base. Basically, you had secular bands catering to Christian audiences so in a way maybe we shouldn't be surprised where they stand on social/moral issues or the words that slip into their lyrics. They've used us (their Christian audience) for monetary gain only but they don't identify with us or the issues we stand on. Its refreshing when you DO get a Christian artist who believes in what they sing and sees it as a ministry rather than an attempt to milk a cash cow (the Christian audience).
Far too often I see this, where people seem desperate to flock to something they think caters to them when it is in name alone.
Don't know if I am really aging myself but as a teen, I used to watch G Rock on TBN (wasn't into the preachers of that network, just the music video shows). As I was more into alternative/punk/ska music back then, I would enjoy listening to the songs while watching some skater vids. They would sometimes have guest artists on to host the show. It was always funny/odd how a few of them were talking normal and having fun during the show but when they got to the mandatory "gospel presentation", they would be like they were reading from a script and very deadpan.
Great word, John! Thanks for raising awareness about all this. I'm with you 100%. I so appreciate your high view of Scripture and Christian holiness and sanctification. Continue speaking out about these compromises! Blessings on you, my brother!
Wish there was a place to “vet” Christian bands to ensure they are follower’s of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
I love Christian music, mostly rock. Grew up with Stryper. I listen to all “Christian” music from Toby Mac, Capital Kings, to Stryper, Skillet, Theocracy and even Rivers & Robots, Keith Green.
We, the consumers of Christian music need some sort of “vetting” or label that confirms this band, album meets or follows the beliefs and morals of Jesus Christ.
We need a Christian stamp of approval!
I appreciate John Cooper so much. Thank you for your podcasts ❤😊
John, as much as I love Skillet, and Cooper Stuff, I would be so amazingly thankful for a list of bands an artists that you personally like, within the Christian music landscape. I have loved many bands and singers over the years, who i've come to find are not exactly what I thought they were. Such as, Phil's Newsboys, and DC Talk. But since Mike joined Newsboys, not only has the music gone from rock to pop, it doesn't have the same Christian, Jesus loving feel anymore. Also, i've heard some things, a bit negative, about them, that make me stay further away from them. Amy Grant as well... Not a pop fan, but used to really like here. Now I understand she is a defender of the LGBT community. I gave away all my CDs. Not my thing.
Help me out man. If Skillet was doing a CHristian festival, who would John, Seth, Korey, and Jen want on the bill?
I have really been struggling for a while for being a good witness for Jesus in my life. Thanks for the verses from Peter. I need to do better on the daily and transform my inner heart. I could use some prayer help for that. It is insane what is happening with the Christian artists. Thanks for the episode.
Renew a right spirit in me and create in me a clean heart
Stop listening to skillet, and ALL CCM or syncopated music, it is designed to shut off the frontal lobe, the place where in your mind, you connect with God.
Remember philippians 4:8 always.
Thank you John! I was praying that you'd do something on this and you did not disappoint!
I had some "intense fellowship" in the comment section of Judah's new song. They don't know nor love Scripture. That's why I love hearing "READ THE BIBLE!" at the end of all of your videos!
Judah upon release posted "I'm proud of this one." I commented "I love you and your music but I don't think God is proud of this one." I got one up vote.
I am glad you referenced The Shack. It never sat right with me and I was a little surprised that you guys were on the soundtrack. It always left me to wonder if you guys supported the movie. Thank you for clarifying.
It's crazy to think that he didn't know the book before doing the soundtrack. I find that odd?? Or he didn't get a preview of the movie. Really? The Father portrayed as afat woman!?!
I don't know .... Not judging.
And to endorse that Lauren D did a good thing about a movie but won't draw a line about homosexuality.
Same here. Everyone at our church couldn’t stop reading it and talking about it. But when I would ask Jesus about whether I should watch it, or read the book, I always got a sick feeling in my stomach just like when my discernment kicks in when I’m dealing with the enemy. For a while, I thought something was wrong with me that I wasn’t interested in checking it out. And I thought I was the one that was far off from God for not being drawn to it.
It was the same situation for me when Facebook first came out.
The Shack is a New Age mess.
Good job, John. You are truly standing in the storm!!!
This is the scripture that comes to my mind when I listened to this podcast. James 3:9 "With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings, who have been made in God’s likeness. 10 Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be. 11 Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring? 12 My brothers and sisters, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water." Thank you for standing up and bringing this into the light.
I SOO APPRECIATE YOU!! Your wisdom Your Rightous ANGER over BIBICAL UNTRUTH!! Thank You For picking up your Bible and SHOWING what GODS WORD SAYS!! You help me keep a pulse on what TRULY is happening in SOO MANY "Christian" platforms!! Keep FIGHTING the GOOD FIGHT!! YOU are GREATLY APPRECIATED!! LORD BLESS You, Corey, kids, band, crew in ALL YOUR WAYS 🙏
Amen! Take up your cross, follow Christ, put sin to death..... don't write songs about your sin. Excellent. Thank you.❤
John, cannot say how encouraging this is! Please continue to fight the good fight. I've been saddened by the state of the Christian Music industry, not only in it's wishy washy and down right heretical stances on the bible, but it'd mundane musical taste. It drives them away in complacency on both ends! Will be praying for you and your family, as when you speak Truth, the enemy will be all over you trying to stop you. But with Christ guiding and Holy Spirit empowering, you will be MORE than conquerors! Amen!
All of this "stuff" would go away if "Christians" would not buy the garbage... That should say something about the state of the Church.
Thank you for your clarification on our goal needing to be sanctification on a daily basis. We as Christians need this reminder.
John, you should have Michael Tait on your podcast one day as a special guest! Or Kevin from Disciple.
Both Newsboys AND Disciple are the two bands I’d LOVE to see Skillet do tours with
@@steveharper2463me too!!!
Kevin Young vs. Kevin Max with John Cooper as the moderator.
@@AllYourBaseAreBelongToU5 ha! That would be an invent I’d pay for.
@@steveharper2463first skillet concert I went to they were touring with Decyfer Down and Disciple. It was terrific
Excellent! I love when the truth for Christ is spoken!
@Cooper Stuff Thank you, I just saw the video come up for the Shack and I had never heard you repent of that. Thanks and Thank you for taking the arrows as Alley Beth Stucky would say. Blessings on you and your family and Skillet.
Bro... this was fantastic. Love your passion and righteous zeal!
What absurdity, what insanity... what sheer lunacy and utter compromise the church has been for so long. It's like having an ulcer and using tums to take away its momentary gnawing, only to have it eat another hole in your stomach the next day. If you don't change what you're doing, the problem will only get worse and possibly eventually kill you. So is the life of the believer.
Having been in ministry and written hundreds of worship songs, I can say this with authority, Christian music ain't no limbo contest to see how low we can get.
If I'm not strong, how can I help or lead others to become strong. If I make things fit my way, for my purposes, or the way I think it should go, I'm a fool. Compromise only breeds more compromise.
I've watched the latest and the so-called worship and Christian music, and it's shocking. The spirit of the world is all over it... it is not the Spirit of Jesus.
Blessing in Y'shua!
The best podcast I've seen so far, John.... love it... keep preaching brother. ❤🙏
This is one of the reasons why I really liked Tenth Avenue North's Album, The Things We've Been Afraid to Say. It was gritty, raw, and real; but it wasn't immoral. There's a way to do both and not dishonor Christ. We need more songs which aren't sugarcoating our faith, struggles, etc...but are also glorifying God.
I'm trying to get out of addiction, and it's been incredibly tough. Facing withdraw has been so hard, and my emotions have been all over the place. If y'all could pray for me, I'd be very grateful! God's grace covers me and is enough whenever I do fall short. But, it's also enough to lead me out of sin!
Praying Abby. I've been clean and sober for a bit, and I know how tough it is. 🙏🏻
@@melissac6774 It is tough for sure. God created us to love, not lust. Praying for you to stay sober!
Praying sis I been through it too. What r u struggling with. Abuse of drugs opens oneself up to demonic oppression, but we have the authority to command them to leave our life.
@@abbykittle5058 James Kaddis just put out a good video on staying sober. Have you heard of him/his church?
I will pray. I have a friend who has struggled with addiction for years. My husband and I actually are caring for one of her children, a baby, while she is working on being sober and staying sober. It’s been quite a journey, but I do believe God has been there for her and for us, and He will be there for you.
John ive been listening to you for several years. Over 6. I love your music and its a huge part of my playlist. I am so glad you are calling out these people instead of being like them. I just found out you have a podcast and im listening to it right now. I am really glad that while the christian music industry is pretty rotten right now at least your music and your band skillet are good. Im really glad you guys are not apostates like so many people right now. Ive been listening and keeping my ears out and it seems God is bringing to His church's attention the apostates right now.
A preacher i really like to follow online talks about apostates recently its everywhere i see right now. He says how to tell if a church went apostate is what they say they are for not what they are against. I love how you clearly state what you are against. "If your gonna open the word of God you need to be prophetic you are not allowed to be pathetic." I love what your doing now and I wish more christians would stand up for what we believe in and would fight for the faith. The Bible is the foundation of everything. It doesnt change, it changes you. God doesnt change, he changes you.
If this helps anyone reading this here is how you would find someone who is apostate. "Its often a senior leader. They are those who live by the demonic. These are people who are wolves. Apostates are not people who don't claim to be Christian. They claim to be christan and are antichrist. Its like lets say your in the military and your drilling and training with your platoon and then its the day of the battle and its time to contend. And as soon as you get to the front line and you see the enemy approaching, the person next to you runs into the battle, welcomes the enemy and then attacks you. Thats an apostate. They are the ungodly in words and actions. They are the immoral and celebrate the evil behavous. They bare false witness and are greedy. They are rebellious and divisive. They pretend they are on your side but are not." The Bible says Matthew 7:15-20 "15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. 18 A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus you will recognize them by their fruits."
The book of Jude is all about fighting for the faith and apostates. Jude 4 states "For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ."
I thought this would be helpful to people who are curious or who wanted to read all this. The pastor i follow online said most of the 2nd paragraph i just pulled it off his sermon. ruclips.net/video/DGKavglRafk/видео.html here is the sermon if anyone is interested :3
Thank you for never backing down and always standing up for what you believe in!
So much great stuff in this video, John! Thank you for all you do for the Kingdom!
AMAZING episode John! This is probably one of my favorites, and it is a much needed message.
I agree with what you are talking about. Thank you for pointing this out.
I feel like this era of the modern mega church teaches that dragging a sinner into one of their services is the magic juice that will bring them into the kingdom of heaven. When the church service is viewed as the primary tool for evangelism, it demands relevance to the broken. When does the discipleship happen in that model? It usually doesn't
The church should not be viewed as a building or an address or concert hall. The church is made up of commited individuals who then gather in comminity where they go to build each other up, that place that we call "church" is for believers. It can't be the primary location where all evangelism happens.
The church needs to be more like a supply depot for warriors going into battle. The true mission of the church is carried out by individuals who are in the mess of people's lives on a daily basis. The individual believers are supposed to model what it's like to be redeemed from the former life.
The modern church is more like a safe playpen for babies and needs to be more like a battle hospital where wounded warriors come back to get recharged and resupplied. It should be more like a weight room where individuals are trained to push the bounds of their comfort zones. It's not a place to coddle the weak and rebellious
Unfortunately, the newer model of the church caters to the babies and not the warriors.
I can't tell you how many strong Christians I meet on a regular basis who are doing genuine ministry on their own and not participating in regular traditional "church" culture.
True evangelism and cultural revival is a messy business done best on a one-on-one basis. This evangelism must include long-term discipleship.
The seeker friendly church divorced from deep discipleship has produced much of our cultural decay.
I'm sorry, when I hear a church promote being a greeter or parking lot attendant as serious ministry, I run.
Today, many of the individual believers (musicians) are just as watered down as the organized body of believers they participate in.
So glad to hear you do a 180 on The Shack! I was upset that Elmbrook Church carried the book back then. Prayers answered to hear you reflect on this. Praise God. ❤
Preach it! I remember also being saddened by POD's f-bomb
The crazy and sad and maddening thing for me, is that as a youth leader, I am seeing a number of youth leaders mimic these same things! So frustrating!
Will be interesting to see what happens in a big youth leader group where I just shared this video and challenged my fellow youth leaders to do better with the music and artists that we promote to the students God's entrusted into our care.
Praying that your talk here gets through to at least some
The thing with POD is the evidence you see in their public life points more to them being Rastafarian than them being Christians. And that is mostly applicable to Sonny.
Their Southtown album was riddled with Rasta language and imagery and nothing since then has really pointed to Jesus.
I was heavily involved with Christian artist back in the 80's. I have really grown tired of the cookie cutter christian music of today. I recently dropped current "christian" music and went back to the hymns and started listening to Messianic Worship. ❤
I've been listening to Messianic worship for roughly three years now and give up on mainstream Christian music. Never looked back. Two artists I always have in rotation are Paul Wilbur and Joshua Aaron. Check them out if you haven't already
@@FeastDayFaith Thank you for replying! Joshua Aaron is one of my favorites! I WILL check out Paul Wilbur.
Wow! Thank you for suggesting Paul Wilbur!!!!
@@jeffschultz732 Everything from his album "The Watchman" is GOLDEN. Im in my 30s but had the pleasure of seeing him live when I was a teenager. My grandmother brought me. The holy spirit was HEAVY that night where you could barely stand up.
Also, check out Sarah Liberma n. "Fire of your spirit" will send chills
Hey John!
My family and I worked the creation fests (agape farm) east from 1999-2005 ish. Skillet was such a blast to watch (though we did have to confiscate more than a few frying pans lol) I remember talking to a few artists at the time and noticing the shift in what is now called “traditional “Christianity vs a more progressive stance. It concerned me then and it is so much worse today. I remember really trying to separate what was truly “Christian” from what was some form of culture Christian light.
Our daughter ended up working for GMA later on and was privy to the ugly underbelly of so called Christian music. Definitely grateful for you brother…keep the light on!
John, thank you so much for this! I got the honor of meeting you at the National Conference on Christian Apologetics last year, and I have so much respect for all the work you've done to call out Progressive Christianity. I preached yesterday at my church from Luke 14:25-35. Jesus talks about the cost of being a disciple. This was a major point that I made in my sermon. We are in a world where we are going to catch hate from unbelievers and believers. I lost someone I thought was my best friend of 10 years because I called him on his fall into Progressive Christianity. The reality is we've got to be okay with being called hateful, bigots, transphobes, homophobes, misogynists, etc. Those terms have been thrown around so much that they are losing their meaning. Stand firm in the faith. Do not compromise! Correct in love and be fruit inspectors. Love you, John! Keep doing what you're doing.