I`d like to thank my dad for busting my balls to learn english at the age of 8, because without that, I would have never gotten to experience conversations and knowledge like this.
My friend don'tplay ignorant !! Because the fact is that the Koran writer didn't even know what Christians believe in! And if Paul1or anotherhas corruptet the Bible in the 1st century or not, it doesn't change the fact that according to the Koran Allah has no idea about Christianity and that in the 7th century!!!
*Peter the apostle of Jesus himself confirms Paul's writings as Holy Scriptures!* 2 Peter 3:15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
@@srinivasaraorao1043 Your understanding of Islam like a baby who understands science at the age of two. By the way We muslims don't believe Muhammed (S.A.W) is a God.
@@rohanrahman8138 : Muhammad is not God but he came from the devil 👿. Muhammad is presently in hell and burning. Jesus Christ is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Jesus Christ will judge on judgment day. Allah is a pagan moon god of the Kabba.
@@hulchul8891 Where did you get this information? CNN or Whatsapp University 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣? In today's world, education is very important, as I just realised from your comment. So have some coffee and read some books on Islam. I hope you listen for your own benefit.
The “West” compared to what?? No “faith” on this planet damages or threatens freedom more than Islam. That’s my opinion and I’m ALLOWED to have it!!!! I’m not a person of ANY faith but can understand and support the opposition to it all!! Why are we still talking about this?!?. OMG!!!! Recognize our condition!!! Stop relating this to RELIGION!!! Please don’t speak of the problems humans have without considering the origin???…EMERGENCE of CONSCIOUSNESS???? !!!!!
I am a uneducated American currently residing temporary in Dublin Ireland and I have long conversations with Pakistanis, Brazilians, Greeks,Romanians, YOU NAME IT! Point being most people from anywhere around the planet are willing to have interesting conversations of respect and abundance. Never believe the social media hate and divide.
@@Truthseiker87 Yeah why was Muhammad possessed by a Djinn and his wife’s cousin told him it was the Angel Gabriel? Why was he unsure about his salvation if he is a Prophet of God?
Yes I agree..I love that too.. but we're expected to tolerate all kinds of ideas we don't agree with because we don't want to be perceived as dictators.. God wants us to come to him by knowledge not by force This discussion is very inspirational
Honestly though...what's wrong with saying that? No one believes what they believe because they think they are wrong. I think it is impossible to assume that you know better then someone else that has different ideas then you if, having met their ideas, you reject them. Better to tolerate people you think are wrong. Better TO tell them they are wrong if asked about it! Be honest about the disagreements, and teach the world to not be offended by assumptions everyone makes.
Point 1 is that Mummamod was born 600 years after Jesus Christ was crucified on the cross and both the old and New Testament had been around for all those years beforehand and so a lot of the Islamic book has so much of the holy bible within its pages or at least the shadow of God’s Word.
It is very easy to refute Islam! Because the God of Islam does not know that according to Christianity God incarnated True love = the love of God! *God himself went to the cross for you out of love for you as a human being* Philippians 2:5-8
Islam is a driven oratory system in many instances (rather than idle discussion), so sometimes it can be mistaken for lecture due to the style of teaching. Nonetheless it's confidence is why it ended Christianity long ago in most places and left them with nothing but churches full of old losers. If you haven't noticed youth influencers are ALL Islamic. Be it Tiktok, or British majority influencers like Andrew Tate.
This is how a debate should unfold literally and not screaming and interrupting one another and not be able to speak, this is education at its finest, just beautiful for the ears.
*here YHWH says in the Old Testament he is the son who was pierced in a prophecy! 6th century before Jesus Christ* Zechariah 12,10 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit[1] of grace and supplication. They will look on[2] me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.
We see clearly! In John 19:37 "" "" You will look at the one you have pierced «" "" But you only look at one according to Zechariah 12:10 and that is YHWH !!! You only look at YHWH! So John 19:37 contradicts all newer versions of Zechariah 12:10 where another was pierced than YHWH !! YHWH speaks about this in Zechariah from his point of view and the apostles from the point of view of man! because you can see who you have pierced! And that's the one who says YOU LOOK AT ME !!! So the fact is YHWH says you look at ME !! And who are you looking at;). Exactly the one they pierced!
My friend according to textual criticism, the matter is clear! According to Zechariah, YHWH was pierced! because the Christian writings of Zechariah and the confirmation text in John are the oldest sources that exist!
This is so refreshing to see two people with differing ideas having a respectful discussion whilst challenging each other’s ideas without losing their cool or responding with anger or threats. This is what the world needs.
Agreed. The word “Iman” in Islam, which is often incompletely translated as “faith” or “belief”, actually encompasses faith in the heart, affirmation with the tongue and manifestation in action. Without all components, one’s “Iman” is considered incomplete.
@@a4482921 great reminder, but it shows it should be on all levels.. because the real intention is so important for why a person doing what he is doing.. is it fame, power, wealth, satisfy getting attention, need to feel important, satisfy his mom or doing good (but what better than goodness that our creater is asking us to do ) thats how I see it.. but eventually the only one know our real intention is our creator who knows what in our hearts
@dianakhayal7816 we believe that too, it's actually explicitly said by the prophet peace be upon him "Actions are judged by intentions", and the guy who commented said the first thing is "faith in the heart", so all 3 things he mentioned should be present
Proud isn’t the best word, but yes they do need to appreciate who he is and what he has done. OR AT THE VERY LEAST give him some actual damn freedom of speech rights.
It is very easy to refute Islam! Because the God of Islam does not know that according to Christianity God incarnated True love = the love of God! *God himself went to the cross for you out of love for you as a human being* Philippians 2:5-8
Imagine if leaders from all walks of life and all religions could have intelligent, calm and respectful discussions like this each day how wonderful this world would be
Nothing wrong with disagreeing with someone for whatever you believe. I’m a Christian in training, wasn’t raised as a Christian, didn’t go to church, didn’t know God, just started about 4 years ago. I listen to all view points. Because of my experience 4 years ago with God and things God has shown me these last few years I know Jesus is not only my savior but God. I live by 3 rules (and probably don’t do them well). First I love God first, All other humans second, and I try to apply the Fruit of the Spirit to every conversation and everything I do. Communication is extremely important whether we agree or disagree, otherwise we have issues, communication is not trying to better someone or change someone THAT IS God’s plan and job. I’m an old guy and God didn’t need to use me until I 60. Sorry for the long conversation.
@@leela715 "disagree" are just a word for u to make him look bad? people have their own belief, perspectives, theory, and anthing that is different since we are human and by u mean disagree does'nt mean he is ignorant, he makes his points and eloborate it rather than being (like u) no offense. a man who did'nt like to be disagreed by.
@@richardannaken no need to be sorry. it is admirable that u seek knowledge rather than be ignorant. i hope u can do research about muslims aswell it's quite interesting. A man that tolerate for anything protect nothing.
Peterson is suffering from the evangelical BS religion to believe that Israeli are sinless god's chosen and therefore have immunity and all rights to commit genocides and warcrimes.
I met a wonderful friend in college, and was blessed to have a similar type conversation with her, in private. She is black, I am white. We were close enough to ask each other every question about the differences we have experienced without embarressment, shame, or mincing words. She remains a blessing in my life. I understand so much more now...
Kudos to Mohammed Hijab 🎉🎉🎉👍👏 He is intelligent & eloquent with an exceptionally high level of Emotional Quotient. His perspective is extremely grounded , level-headed , highly rational , focussed , organised & systematic. I was a fan of Jordan Peterson so I do respect him & his ideas. For this video , unfortunately & disappointedly , every time he goes on his elongated tangent to a simple & straightforward question , I cannot help but visualise him ... In a toga , floating around among the clouds , flitting from cloud to cloud & holding a harp but not playing it ....BECAUSE .... he does not know how to play it ‼️ He is merely holding the harp for CLOUT AMONG THE CLOUDS ‼️‼️‼️🤦♀️ Sad to say , this makes him look like .... An EMPTY CAN .... MAKING THE MOST NOISE ‼️‼️‼️🤦♀️
@@aryafaaz9345 Would it be more accurate if you said "I could not follow what Jordan Peterson was speaking about?" Surely, you're making a lot of noise yourself, you know?
He says that he wants peace, but then goes on to storm Al-Aqsa compound with that robot sounding apartheid tribesmen creature. Rather what he wants is perennialism among Muslims and zionism for them. Did this interview happen before or after his storming of Al-Aqsa? Look up the video.
Also he was banned from twitter for annoying a girl that became a man right? So what does think of christianity that claims God became a man? Did God transition into an apartheid tribesmen creature? Is that why he stormed Al-Aqsa compound due to his belief that God belongs to the apartheid tribesmen's ethnicity?
Peterson is handling this discussion very well. His humility comes through and his message of being humble and peaceful is much needed in this conversation.
@@zeadnasser4701 and he interviews the guy that said (I will choose a cow over 1.6 billion Muslims) and didn't interview not a single person to represent the other side, unfortunately, he's not the same he used to be like 1.5 years ago
Its the founding principal in Christianity. Whereas we see what the founding principal is in Islam that has birthed this young man Hijab - pride and religious superiority. Exactly what Jesus came to earth to END.
He was soooo shaky (weak) when he came back in the public eye after almost dying from kicking benzos. Man, does he ever bring the fire and thunder......now that he has healed some. My God, it warms my soul! God bless, the Good Doctor!
It's inspiring to see someone overcome all kinds of unbelievably difficult adversities and then to rise back to the top, living by his own advice. Bravo, Dr. Peterson. Bravo. ❤ God bless.
😑Jordan is 💨 running from reality. He won't accept truth even if it was proven to him. This just shows his lack of sincerity. But he will cry on cue. ISLAM is the truth, but he refuses to accept because of his ego.
@@equityjustice2695 I'm not sure where you're coming from... it kind of sounds like you're forcing him to unquestionably adopt a religion that comes from a culture very different to his own. Is that truth?
@@equityjustice2695 You don't know for a fact that Islam is the truth, just like how no one on this earth knows all truths. Dogmatism was discussed in this video and you are displaying it clearly now! JP is plenty sincere and your letting your own beliefs cloud an objective judgement
To be sitting in my living room and as a Christian in the US and listening to this amazing give and take conversation with Jordan, Mohammad Hijab and Jonathan on their religions is so heart warming. Having real conversations is what is going to help us all to live and work together as well as learn to respect one another for our differences. God Bless all of you all.
Basic Islam (*eg allah+Mohd+black stone…): 1. You have to believe in allah and equate a man by the name Mohammad next to him - idolatry; 2. You have to pray toward a rock that has a black stone in it - idolatry; 3. You have to give charity only to Muslim causes. You are not to support other causes. - But you claim Islam is a religion of peace and mercy. What a joke! 4. You have the fasting but when people cannot fast during the month, you pay somebody to fast on your behalf, and you earn righteousness! - But you deny what Christ Jesus did for you on the cross and His resurrection so that believers can get His righteousness (Rom4:25); 5. You go on perform the pilgrimage, but we heard what happened to the women (*being sexually abused) at the “holey place”. - Al Fadi
Jeremiah9:24but let him who boasts boast in this, that he understands and knows me, that I am the LORD who practices steadfast LOVE, justice, and righteousness in the earth. For in these things I delight, declares the LORD.”
@@hzjc9680 1- Yes, you have to believe in Allah and his messenger Mohammed(PBUH) and he is just a messenger and a prophet we do not consider him equal to Allah. 2- We pray towards the Kaaba and not worship the Kaaba, before our direction was changed to Kaaba the Mohammed (PBUH) and the Muslims at that time used to face Al-Aqsa Masjid which is in Jurusalem, and then Allah commanded them to face the Kaaba. 3-Muslims are not prohibited from giving charity to anyone unless they’re fighting against us. 4- You’re wrong again, someone cannot fast in your stead even if you pay them, you have to fast yourself and if you’re unable to because you’re traveling, sick, on menstrual cycle etc you make up for that fast by fasting in another month for how many fasts you missed and if you’re old, have a condition that makes you unable to fast because it puts you in danger you don’t have to fast instead you feed 1 person per day for how many fasts you missed, e.g you didn’t fast for 29 or 30 days in Ramadan you feed 29 or 30 people total 1 per day. 5- People who do atrocious acts like that when they’re at the holy place are the scum of earth and don’t fear Allah That rarely happens. Where did you even get your information from? I’d like to know because wow everything you said is wrong
@@terradargana3301I think he has a lot of respect for the British style reformations - Scottish and English Presbyterianism. And how influential it has been on western culture etc
Nobody came to an agreement an the Muslim as cocky an arrogant as he may be didn’t even provide an facts an doesn’t know who Jesus really was, Muslims contradict themselves when it comes to Jesus an for hibjab to say provide the evidence an doesn’t accept when provided makes him look unintelligent an ignorant especially the part where they were gonna go off topic to prove hijab wrong but he didn’t want the smoke 1:09:32, for him to save they believe in Jesus an his miracles but not believe he is the son of God is mind blowing, no other person has done miracles in the Quran yet they go beating around the bush an pretending like they have truth but they go by the Old Testament that was before Jesus Christ & pick an choose what makes sense to them instead of the entire story which is ridiculously selfish
They say Mohammed saw a vision of the revaluation from an angel but in the Bible Galatians chpt 1: vs8-9 it clearly says that we shouldn’t believe in anything other than what God has told us an clearly that’s not what Muslims do, yet they’ll pick an choose what’s best for them 😂 absolutely absurd fallacy
Hijab failed to understand this strategy from JP thats how JP weaseled his way out of all the questions and constantly interrupted hijab Dishonest as expected
Allah Glory to him said:”Those who say, “Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary,” have certainly fallen into disbelief. The Messiah ˹himself˺ said, “O Children of Israel! Worship Allah-my Lord and your Lord.” Whoever associates others with Allah ˹in worship˺ will surely be forbidden Paradise by Allah. Their home will be the Fire. And the wrongdoers will have no helpers.-72-Those who say, “Allah is one in a Trinity,” have certainly fallen into disbelief. There is only One God. If they do not stop saying this, those who disbelieve among them will be afflicted with a painful punishment.-73-Will they not turn to Allah in repentance and seek His forgiveness? And Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.-74- The Messiah, son of Mary, was no more than a messenger. ˹Many˺ messengers had ˹come and˺ gone before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They both ate food.1 See how We make the signs clear to them, yet see how they are deluded ˹from the truth˺!-75- Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “How can you worship besides Allah those who can neither harm nor benefit you? And Allah ˹alone˺ is the All-Hearing, All-Knowing.”-76- Say, “O People of the Book! Do not go to extremes in your faith beyond the truth, nor follow the vain desires of those who went astray before ˹you˺. They misled many and strayed from the Right Way.”-77- The disbelievers among the Children of Israel were condemned in the revelations of David and Jesus, son of Mary. That was for their disobedience and violations.-78- They did not forbid one another from doing evil. Evil indeed was what they did!-79- You see many of them taking the disbelievers1 as allies. Truly wicked are their misdeeds, which have earned them Allah’s wrath. And they will be in everlasting torment.-80- Had they believed in Allah, the Prophet, and what has been revealed to him, they would have never taken those ˹pagans˺ as allies. But most of them are rebellious-81- You will surely find the most bitter towards the believers to be the Jews and polytheists and the most gracious to be those who call themselves Christian. That is because there are priests and monks among them and because they are not arrogant.-82- When they listen to what has been revealed to the Messenger, you see their eyes overflowing with tears for recognizing the truth. They say, “Our Lord! We believe, so count us among the witnesses.-83- Why should we not believe in Allah and the truth that has come to us? And we long for our Lord to include us in the company of the righteous.”-84-So Allah will reward them for what they said with Gardens under which rivers flow, to stay there forever. And that is the reward of the good-doers.-85-“ Al-Maida Al Quran Al-Kareem
In the name of Allah the most gracious the most merciful Allah Glory to him said: Indeed, Allah chose Adam, Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of Imrân [father of Mary] above all people. -33- They are descendants of one another. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing. -34- ˹Remember˺ when the wife of ’Imrân said, “My Lord! I dedicate what is in my womb entirely to Your service,1 so accept it from me. You ˹alone˺ are truly the All-Hearing, All-Knowing.” -35-When she delivered, she said, “My Lord! I have given birth to a girl,”-and Allah fully knew what she had delivered-“and the male is not like the female. I have named her Mary, and I seek Your protection for her and her offspring from Satan, the accursed.”-36- So her Lord accepted her graciously and blessed her with a pleasant upbringing-entrusting her to the care of Zachariah. Whenever Zachariah visited her in the sanctuary, he found her supplied with provisions. He exclaimed, “O Mary! Where did this come from?” She replied, “It is from Allah. Surely Allah provides for whoever He wills without limit.”-37- Then and there Zachariah prayed to his Lord, saying, “My Lord! Grant me-by your grace-righteous offspring. You are certainly the Hearer of ˹all˺ prayers.”-38- So the angels called out to him while he stood praying in the sanctuary, “Allah gives you good news of ˹the birth of˺ John who will confirm the Word of Allah and will be a great leader, chaste, and a prophet among the righteous.”-39- Zachariah exclaimed, “My Lord! How can I have a son when I am very old and my wife is barren?” He replied, “So will it be. Allah does what He wills.” -40- Zachariah said, “My Lord! Grant me a sign.” He said, “Your sign is that you will not ˹be able to˺ speak to people for three days except through gestures. Remember your Lord often and glorify ˹Him˺ morning and evening.”-41- And ˹remember˺ when the angels said, “O Mary! Surely Allah has selected you, purified you, and chosen you over all women of the world. -42- O Mary! Be devout to your Lord, prostrate yourself ˹in prayer˺ and bow along with those who bow down.”-43- This is news of the unseen that We reveal to you ˹O Prophet˺. You were not with them when they cast lots to decide who would be Mary’s guardian, nor were you there when they argued ˹about it˺.-44- ˹Remember˺ when the angels proclaimed, “O Mary! Allah gives you good news of a Word1 from Him, his name will be the Messiah,2 Jesus, son of Mary; honoured in this world and the Hereafter, and he will be one of those nearest ˹to Allah˺.-45- And he will speak to people in ˹his˺ infancy and adulthood and will be one of the righteous.” -46- Mary wondered, “My Lord! How can I have a child when no man has ever touched me?” An angel replied, “So will it be. Allah creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He simply tells it, ‘Be!’ And it is! -47- And Allah will teach him writing and wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel,-48- and ˹make him˺ a messenger to the Children of Israel ˹to proclaim,˺ ‘I have come to you with a sign from your Lord: I will make for you a bird from clay, breathe into it, and it will become a ˹real˺ bird-by Allah’s Will. I will heal the blind and the leper and raise the dead to life-by Allah’s Will. And I will prophesize what you eat and store in your houses. Surely in this is a sign for you if you ˹truly˺ believe. -49- And I will confirm the Torah revealed before me and legalize some of what had been forbidden to you. I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so be mindful of Allah and obey me. -50- Surely Allah is my Lord and your Lord. So worship Him ˹alone˺. This is the Straight Path.’” -51- When Jesus sensed disbelief from his people, he asked, “Who will stand up with me for Allah?” The disciples replied, “We will stand up for Allah. We believe in Allah, so bear witness that we have submitted.” -52- ˹They prayed to Allah,˺ “Our Lord! We believe in Your revelations and follow the messenger, so count us among those who bear witness.” -53- And the disbelievers made a plan ˹against Jesus˺, but Allah also planned-and Allah is the best of planners.-54- ˹Remember˺ when Allah said, “O Jesus! I will take you1 and raise you up to Myself. I will deliver you from those who disbelieve, and elevate your followers above the disbelievers until the Day of Judgment. Then to Me you will ˹all˺ return, and I will settle all your disputes. -55- As for those who disbelieve, I will subject them to a severe punishment in this life and the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers. -56- And as for those who believe and do good, they will be rewarded in full. And Allah does not like the wrongdoers.” -57- We recite ˹all˺ this to you ˹O Prophet˺ as one of the signs1 and ˹as˺ a wise reminder. -58- Indeed, the example of Jesus in the sight of Allah is like that of Adam. He created him from dust, then said to him, “Be!” And he was! -59- This is the truth from your Lord, so do not be one of those who doubt. -60- }} Al-Imaran Al-Quran Al-Kareem
I'm back to watch this because Jordan is the only person you ask one question and he speaks for 15 minutes uninterrupted and gets to the point in such an eloquent way.
If you have a good intellect, you should be able to convey your message and idea in less words and phrases. You can see a lot of the time that Jordan Peterson is just beating around the bush trying to avoid a straight forward answer. This only shows his lack of confidence and belief in his own Ideas.
@@BePostitivenot necessarily. The person he’s debating is closed minded. Normally when you’re debating closed minded ppl it’s either a lost cause or you have to beat around the bush to get your message across. Reason being is that they won’t take the cold hard fact lightly
The US's 'Founding Fathers', already tried this approach of 'attempt to understand the muslim jackals, who kept killing & enslaving non-islamics indiscriminantly & without mercy or for amy apparent sane reason. They were told that that's how it's written in the q'ran & haddiths, that's how it'll remain. The result was a ban on muslims withim the US. Infortunately, Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnell, John McCain, Lindsay Graham & 1 or 2 other retards removed yhay law, in the 60's or 70's. That's treason & punishable by death. muslims are blooded from an early age & are raised to - expected to inflict fear, terror & atrocities upon the infidels via the 7 types of jihad, on every occassion, while being taught to deceive manipulate & destroy everything that wasn't made via allah. Look up taharoosh/taharuush. The way muslims achieve their halal food, is the same way the satanist elites get their adrenalin packed blood from tortured children before they're killed. They both pray to the devil & get along like a house on fire. To understand the reason why they always act like cut snakes, search for video & text on halal, adrenalin, epi-pen & adrenochrome processes. All are part of the global cabal & must be forced to leave our countries - receive the penalty of death, if they don't comply.
@@ahsanha9838 Neither to go into meaningless semantics about what simple words mean. JP thinks he can define what a woman is, but not words like "do", "you" or "believe".
One of my best friends in the world, who died tragically a few months ago at the age of 41 was Muslim. I still cry every time I think of him. We were two opposites, yet…we were brothers. In the truest sense of the meaning. The debates we had were epic. But at the end of the day. We were brothers and and best friends. I miss that about him. What I would give to have him here to engage is this type of conversation again. This discussion should be cherished as a reminder that friendship and brotherhood transcends geography and faith.
It's early in the morning. It's too early to shed tears like this, Brother. But I am so sorry. I'm positive he is still keeping an eye on you. Being with you when you need him most. God Bless my friend. Go with the Father.
may Allah grant him the highest level of Jannah, If I may suggest that as an honor to your friend (and brother) you keep searching for the truth and search deep please, no pressure, I feel that a lot of people don't search/read enough, they try and hit the surface and then they delay and ignore till it's too late, sorry my English is not that good, may Allah bless you.
@@tom2443 for context refer to what rabbi unholy shmuley says to Muslims, if a particular group of muslim is responsible for a catastrophe it doesnt automatically justify inherent radicality of a religion, well thats very obvious unless you're intellectually molested and intellectually subservient. "says alot about him" cmon, dont embarrass yourself, this is a middle highschooler argument . "give em hell" explain that, consider arguing that lol
Jonathan has reminded me that the meek shall inherit the earth. He (and Jordan) has been a large part of returning to and deepening my Christian faith.
Especially in moments, like when Mohammed implied Jonathan would connect IS*S with the terr*rist organization & Jonathan just smiled. 👍 I understand where Mohammed came from, but Jonathan isn’t “that” guy Mohammed thinks Jonathan is. ❤
I agree! The decision not to take anything personally and speak for a higher purpose means that petty things are moved past quickly and actually are taken in good humour. Good point!
There is nothing to get upset about unless you can’t think critically enough to understand why someone may think a certain way,even if you think the opposite!!Its not necessarily that you agree,but you can see where they are coming from ,and then you just agree to disagree!!That in itself can move us forward and come to a common ground,if you are mad,you don’t grasp,you don’t accept and you go into your respective corners and the problem never gets solved!!!
The Viktor Frankl book that Mohammed Hijab is referencing is called “Man’s search for Meaning”, and it’s one of the most important books I’ve read. Highly recommend it.
What a wonderful discussion. I am Roman Catholic and I have many friends who are Muslim. We have been having similar conversations recently. These types of conversations are essential !!
I know that there are peaceful Muslims out there. What I find very disconcerting though are these Commandments from the Quran: Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)." Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush …" How can such a commandment be tolerated by anyone?
“What do you mean by do… I’m more interested in what you do” man thinks of word choice in impossible ways. Loved this discussion, thank you to everybody who helped up it together
The way Jordan Peterson looks Jonathan pageau when he speaks make me more fascinated towards Peterson thought and the way he contradicts and accept the things also stucks on my mind.
Been a beneficiary of Dr Peterson’s work for years, but I feel like sometimes he overcomplicates things unnecessarily for himself. Of course there are nuances and levels of meaning that are worth investigating in intellectual topics, but there are also many things in the world and about ourselves that can and should be and indeed are very simple. A Chinese idiom states “大道至简”, “the highest truth is the simplest”. I don’t think it’s beneficial to always jump to the symbolism of things without carefully but also simply looking at their perceptible reality. Perhaps he can attempt to give some simple answers to the simple questions that Mohamed hijab asked, such as “where are we from?”, “where are we going?”, “what’s the purpose of life”, etc. And if he doesn’t have readily available answers, perhaps it wouldn’t harm to look at some simple answers already existing, and looking at them with a humble and curious mind. Might be interesting what he will find.
The Doctor is just a man with degrees that has major illusions of grandeur. Craves the adulation. He is no smarter than you. Do not give these kind of folks your power. Question, think for yourself. Just the start of another cult. He scares the crap out of me.
those are not simple questions though. For someone who follows God it is because we are given the answer. if you are not a Christian, Muslim or Jew... there is no defined meaning of life. I imagine that you are someone who was raised in a faith. For Jordan Peterson he is from an athiest household. It's not nuanced at all and his faith is greater than someone who has known God his whole life.
I second McLellan's comment about those questions not being simple. In fact, those are some of the deepest existential questions that can be asked. It's far from clear what our purpose in life is. Do we address that question at the level of the individual or broadly at the level of humanity as a whole? Is the answer different depending on the level of analysis? If so, is it radically different or only somewhat different? Etc., etc. As far as I can tell, the only truth that is at least initially simple is the affirmation that truth exists. Beyond that, the complications are legion.
@@merquiadesmclellan2800 JP does not believe in god. If he did, he wouldn't keep dodging the question. The most he's said is that God might exist. Making him essentially agnostic. Therefore, his faith is nonexistent. If you want to take the lessons from religion and turn them into secular life advice, just say that. End of story.
@@arttusuonsivu8492 I didn't say he believed on God. I'm not sure what you read. I said that people that do believe in God have an answer for questions like "what is the eating of life". JP asks these questions because he is not of a faith. Also, if you watch his most recent videos and podcasts I'd say he believes I God.
5:08 Tolerance presumes I know what I’m doing. 7:15 We’re gonna stumble into each other. 14:59 Colonialism 16:22 The Evil Uncle motif • Willful Blindness • “All of us walk on blood soaked ground.” Conquistadores 19:44 One soul should not bear the consequences of another’s actions. 23:43 Masked Men Me the Individual And The Religion 27:02 The Moral Foreigner 30:45 Higher Unity 33:07 Thrown Into Life 34:50 We Reject Original Sin 38:44 Music, layers of harmony 49:55 Positive 52:59 Human & Divine Nature 54:48 Christ is contentious Diologos - diolouge 58:06 1. Jesus Christ Existed/Did Not exist 2. Christ Raised The Dead/Did Not 1:02:25 A Perpetual Story, Eternal Battle of Spirit 1:04:04 What do you mean by “Did it happen?” 1:05:30 _”Its really hard to believe that you’re disagreeable.”_ 1:08:36 Problem: Multiplicity of Perception 1:12:23 Why this story not that story? 1:15:07 Bravery 1:16:40 Why do people go to horror movies? • Lost in the desert • losing faith • getting bitter means getting bitten • very often God does not call off the snakes • (Look to Hope in the face of Catastrophe?) 1:21:53 bad stuffs gonna come at you, confront and contend with it Patient and Thankful 1:24:34 Different Spirits in Struggle Gulag [Stanford Prison] Genuine Striving 1:27:21 If I could show Reasonable Evidence, would you change your mind? 1:34:33 Honor How hard do you shine ✨?
*Who explains to us why the Koran says Christians believe God has a biological son!* To all Muslims! Son of God means NOT SON! What is called the son of God is the word of God = god himself! Which has nothing to do with a child (son)! Thus, the Son of God is incarnated as the human Jesus and the human Jesus is therefore referred to as a son, which does not mean a son!
Hebr 1,2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, *by whom also he made the worlds;* as everyone can see the term Son of God refers to the Word of God = god himself! For through that God created the worlds! *what a mistake in the Qur'an!*
Yes but what is biblical text, like really you have to define text, text can mean a lot of things to many different people, don't get me started on biblical.
@@CERBERUS300ify who hurt you? I have benefited a lot from his lectures, am sorry Ryan, look elsewhere for someone who may wiggle something that you'll find worth your time...
Jordan Peterson’s answer to whether he will convert to Islam if there is evidence that it is true was epic: No. Because that’s not how I evaluate the situation….. the proof of faith is the attractiveness of its adherence. Are you a shining example of the Muslim faith? How hard do you shine?……. That is the very big problem. No shine. No conversion. Our belief or our faith can be seen by the fruit by the action. As Jesus said: by the fruit you will know the tree. And Peterson just crushed Hijab. 🔥
If you shine the way you claim and follow the faith as it is, billions wouldn't have left the faith. You don't pay attention to.your reality, you live in your head.
My take away on this video is when Jordan tells us that by volunteering to confront our fears even if we're not calm it changes us to become braver around other things that cause us fear and not manifest that fear elsewhere. Thank you for this takeaway.
What to study as well as Online Resources as new Muslims or even old ones Quran itself and the Sunnah. Old Scholars near that time 1. Sapiance Institute 2. Dr Zakir Naik lectures 3. IslamHouse 4. Ahmed Deedat 5. Islamqa info 6. Masjid Ribat channel by sheikh Uthman ibn Farooq 7. Blogging Theology 8. Smile2Jannah 9. MuslimSkeptic 10. Farid speaks gives good book recommendations 11. Check local mosques they sometimes have awesome books 12. Google islamic books and bookstores and get book recs by farid speaks. Conquest of the Sahaba by Al Imam Al waqidi is one Singular great videos 1. Hamza Tzortis vs Lawerence Krauss (4 million) 2. AustiN School, *"How Islam Saved the West",* *"Khalid Ibn walid profile of a Warrior"* (1.1 million) 3. Muslim, christian, jew a conversation (7 million views) 4. Mehdi Hassan, Islam is Peace (9.9 million views) F
The 2 main differences between Christianity: 1) -Yeshua claimed to be (and in fact, is) God. -Mohammed's brother declared him to be a prophet. 2) -Yeshua instructed His followers to spread the gospel by simply telling everyone, not by force. - Mohammed set the example for his followers by leading them in rampages across Arabia, killing some and making slaves of others who refused to convert.
@@kimberlypearce3732 ^ *forgets colonialism, nazis, kkk, crusaders, americans and russian nazis in the Muslim lands genocidin* Also atheists *Uyghur genocide, stalin, and Mao, Nanking*
*Who explains to us why the Koran says Christians believe God has a biological son!* To all Muslims! Son of God means NOT SON! What is called the son of God is the word of God = god himself! Which has nothing to do with a child (son)! Thus, the Son of God is incarnated as the human Jesus and the human Jesus is therefore referred to as a son, which does not mean a son!
1:32:00 - Correct me if I am wrong. It is said that the Holy Quoran were written by several of Muhammad's companions, right? And we know about the analytic mind of people living in the desert. Didn't they developed algebra which helped humanity to be enlightened in a manner of developing critical thinking? Even the alphabet I believe is derived from them? My point is that the people involved in the foundation of Islam, and not just them, but everyone living in the region, probably due to being Nomads and due to the emptiness of the desert, their minds evolved much faster and higher than most of the population around the world. Remember Einstein, right? He had rationally made use of his mind by ushering experiments in his mind. Imagining and theorizing the whys and hows of the events and natural circumtances surrounding him. And how's that developed in him? I would say, definitely because of his character of being a loner. When people are alone whether by choice or by nature, along the path many of us developed an altruistic point of view in our subconscious collectively created by our experiences, our consciousness, our upbringing and our social nature as a defensive way of not succumbing to lunacy. And the desert people surviving in isolation since after the last ice age bore these gifts of rationalinality, analytic minds and continous flow of hope that like a heart beats its highs and lows, beginning and end on a minute by minute basis. That's why just like what you said, the "predictions" in the Quoran that you mentioned of actually did took place. Those events were predicted by highly analytics and rational companions of Muhammad. And those events are also highly analyzable and predictable due to tangible and available data. The heck! Stock Brokers, Economists and Analysts of our current generation can predict what might be the state of our world tomorrow, next week, a month or even after a century. The difference of a prophesy to a prediction is its ambiguity. Because it should cater to the greater populace and transcend past each of their intrinsic cultural and moral values as it dance its way towards the message and unifying revelation.
when Quran was revealed to Muhammed (PBUH) bits by bit from God through Gabriel, he would recite in front of companions and they would memorize it or some who had means would note it down. After demise of Muhammed (PBUH) during the reign of Calpih Abu Bakr Battle of Yamamah took place in which approximately 70 disciples were martayred and they were memorisers of Quran, it brought concerned to the calpih so he ordered to collect the verses and write it down in a single book, with every verse 2 witnesses were provided to approve it. So the predictions were directly from Muhammed PBUH (which were obviously told by GOD) and these predictions are not just one or two rather they were numerous. Astrologers held prestige in an Arabian Peninsula, so they (astrologer) definitely knew that the predictions weren't coming from an astrologer..... Just like in the times of Moses sorcery was common but sorcerers knew the miracle of Moses wasn't a sorcery! As for saying 'the events were highly predictable' so was it common to predict "Arab competing of skyscrappers" in 6th century, i mean it wasn't even possible to predict this in 16s or 17s
@chitchat5195 you speak in terms of facts, but you are merely reciting a conceptualised version of what was said. When you speak in hypothesis, or a literary review, I will read this - until then, stop
As a christain I have made respect for all 3 of you. This was a FASCINATING discussion such professional people politely disagreeing and having the most intelectual discussions. BRAVO
He is the quintessential Islamist. You saw him challenging "Hindutva fascists" in the backdrop of the organised Islamist attacks on Hindus in Leicester and Birmingham by mobs summoned from other places. Islamists have always followed a familiar pattern of violent attacks followed by vituperation and victimhood claims. This is standard practice for them in any context where they are not hopelessly outnumbered. Like the British Establishment and media, you can feign that all are equally responsible or even blame the victims. The problem doesn't go away and the ideology only hardens in the fullness of time.
Much appreciate for this conversation. This is what can unite all of us. Not debates. Only conversation. Only finding similarity in our religion. Thank you, Dr. Peterson!
So much of my time I spend feeling so lost and confused by the world that I live in. Jordan Peterson is one of the only people who has ever brought any true relief to that feeling.
Spend some time watching Jonathan Pageau explain a Symbolic perspective of the Christian story. You will find that the Christian story is a way to explain the patterns of how our reality manifest... in other words, a way to talk about and get closer to an understanding of consciousness of the Logos. That brings in Plato and the Church Fathers.....a journey for sure.
It may be somewhat of an understatement to say that he is good at his job. But for all that, he is just a man, and if meaning is your struggle, Christ promises that if you come to the door and knock he will answer - for you too. You do have to knock though.
This is what the world needs. I appreciate Dr. Jordan Peterson, Jonathan and Mohammed Hijab sitting at the same table and having a Real Talk, to an extent in which they have talked in this video. We need more of this! Not only from these fine souls, that are in search and pursuit of remedy, but from many others.. on all levels. This is the way forward. Bless to all
@@commandar88 it's not about being perfect. This Hijab guy is open about his views about Pete do phelia and is very honest about apostates being killed. He apologizes for none of it, for which I am thankful for his honesty. Much better a snake wears it's own skin than coat itself with the wool of a sheep.
Love it 😍😍😍 But problem is people who believe in this can't never be rulers or leaders. Wish our leaders believed this phrase more than their religions or whatever. If humanity is so wise to learn from past.
The best argument against this pipe dream is a five minute conversation with the average person. I personally do not bear the responsibility of anything anyone else has done, is doing, or will ever do. I am responsible only for what I am doing now. The past doesn't exist. I have learned from my "mistakes". I am still alive and well. Many/most people are simply not bright enough (call it the required level of consciousness to be able to) to learn from their mistakes, yet, somehow, they are also "alive and well". Study the past 10,000 years of human history. Don't you think that if the human species was intelligent/wise enough to learn from its mistakes, it would have done so by now? No, that said, we all die. Therefore, this world with everything in it, including humans, is only temporary and is, therefore, only just an illusion. Only the permanent is real. So it really doesn't matter what you do or say within this "playground" we wrongly call reality. Life is about experience. And if we learn from our experiences along the way, great. If not, great. Either way, life persists.
One of my favorite qualities of Dr Peterson is his sincere conviction that "the ultimate victory is peace", as he said during the channel 4 "discussion".
I've been an athiest all 32 years of my life, more attracted to science and things that I can see or prove. To the point I've debated people in the past about how stupid the idea of a god is. Recently, I began to find myself being more and more interested in religion. I've no idea why, I just know that I felt a calling to learn more. Now baring in mind that I've been staunchly against the existence of a god, I started to get this strange feeling when I was doing things. The feeling of being watched. The feeling of being judged on my actions. As crazy as this sounds in words, I began to think to myself "he's watching. I shouldn't be doing this." I also began to get this feeling of presence. Like no matter what I'm doing there's a presence next to me and I'm apologising for certain things. If you've lived my life, you'd understand how crazy it sounds to me to be apologising in my head to God. As I walk, as I work, no matter what I'm doing it's all I'm thinking about. Apologising for all the people I've hurt in my life and hoping I'm forgiven. Even as I sit typing right now, I can feel a presence watching over me and it's almost to the level I feel like I'm typing this to spread the word. To open up someone else's eyes. I also started reading the bible not too long ago, and again, if you knew the life I was from you'd understand how crazy it is to even have a bible, it really was a huge step. Every single person in my life is completely non religious and would laugh if they seen my bible. I've had recent conversations where workmates have laughed off the idea of a god, they think the idea is something to mock religious people over. I didn't defend it. I didn't tell them i was religious. I didn't challenge them and I've found myself feeling riddled with guilt that I never. One of the arguments was "I grew out of religion when I was about 12 when i realised Santa wasn't real either." Unfortunately, I don't have the wisdom, or the information to defend or debate it right now, but I will have, eventually. Full disclosure, I still don't fully know if I'm Christian, I still have doubts, I'm still very much unsure what this journey is. But hopefully it starts to become clearer and clearer over the next few years. If if you've made it this far, thank you! I really appreciate your time🙂
Pray the sinners prayer by inviting Jesus into your heart, confess your sins to him and ask him to come into your heart save your by the blood of Jesus. And you are save . Ask God to show Himself to you.
Very similar life experience… there is a tremendous value in the teachings of Jesus and Christianity. Recently joined the Catholic Church… I have a duality in my mind, that it all could be made up and it could all be literally real… the fact I show up and opened myself to Christianity has been very rewarding still. Islam, however, after spending countless hours, days, weeks into learning about it… “Islam dies without lies” and we have to stop being polite about this dangerous perversion of Christianity and Judaism.
Well done, J Pageau for truly addressing the ' elephant in the room '... Inciting violence is wrong on all levels. You cannot pretend to be a true believer in your faith...Whichever that may be, when you are constantly showing yourself to be one sided and aggressive in your nature. May god bless us all. 🙏
Like i just told my son today ,"Always be willing to hear both sides of an argument and never let the conversation break down . As a society, we really do depend on each other, and it's taken centuries to get here !" ❤😊
I’m glad people instill this in themselves and their families. It’s quite beautiful in a world of chaos. I do have to note though that conversation does tend to break down still but there’s absolutely still hope.
That is the very skill that has disappeared from universities: debate, discussion, apologetics, conversation. The whole reason for the existence of universities and town halls- inquiry, examination, development of new and better ways to conduct modes and methods of exploration- has been dispensed with only to have been replaced with myopic and soul-crushing oppression and ideological dogma. RUclips is the new university, and it, too, is slowly being eroded.
Can you please meet and have these kind of coversations consistently, and have a topic to discussion each time? Because we need more of these conversations.
Yes. Without Jonathon. The man just stayed silent and refused to engage the whole time, especially when Hijab gave objective and rational criticism to Christian doctrines. Pathetic. Why was he invited? Lmao. Invite someone else.
I don’t see that philosophy most of the time and philosophy is waist of time and this is the real problem with Dr. Peterson he is good in his psychology knowledge but regarding religion he is kind of lost cause religion must be combined with reasoning and facts and evidences in addition to spiritual faith
I remember about 25 years ago on sundays nights Dennis Prager had a local show in Los Angeles called Religion on the Line and weekly he had a rabbi, pastor, catholic priest, Hindu and an Iman discussing the issues of the day. There was no screaming, no grandstanding, no speeches but a beautiful civilized discussion on issues of the day. Such a beautiful time when people knew what civil discussions meant.
00:01 Creating a world of abundance and peace 02:39 Introducing Jonathan Pageau and Mohammed Hijab 07:01 Encouraging dialogue and understanding between people of different faiths. 09:12 Common emphasis on ultimate unity in religion 13:17 Carzing is changing online car shopping. 15:12 Discussion on historical events causing resentment 19:05 Discussion on responsibility for past actions and original sin 20:47 Critique of the notion that the West's ideology can solve all problems. 24:04 Discussion on having difficult conversations with influential Western public figures 25:43 Navigating differences and finding common ground is essential for meaningful communication. 29:07 The need for unity and addressing societal challenges. 31:11 Challenges of being properly humble before the Divine. 34:19 We came from a higher power and are going back to it 35:57 Purpose drives everything 39:34 Social integration is crucial for calmness and focus. 41:22 Muslims and Christians coexist peacefully in certain regions. 44:48 Discussion on truth and pragmatism 46:30 Striving towards a higher Unity and acting as if it's true. 50:25 Jonathan Pageau's evolution of beliefs from a young age 52:05 The concept of Trinity is considered unintelligible. 55:45 Dialogue embodies the spirit of Mutual Enlightenment 57:39 Both Muslims and Christians believe in Jesus Christ as the Messiah and a great prophet. 1:00:52 The central doctrines of Christianity are viewed differently by various Christian groups. 1:02:31 The profound truth in stories transcends historical reality. 1:06:20 Postmodernists delve into the mystery of textual interpretation and perception. 1:08:22 Delving into questions deeply reveals the problems of perception. 1:12:03 The importance of the Biblical narrative over other religious myths. 1:13:56 Confronting fears leads to expansion of personality and bravery. 1:17:42 The passion story is a combination of all tragic stories 1:19:36 Christ's figure being lifted up like the serpent in the desert as a strange reference 1:23:33 Attitude towards adversity shapes response 1:25:43 Genuine religious faith's impact in survival and ethical action in the face of oppression 1:29:23 Muslim beliefs on Jesus, prophets, and Quran 1:31:09 The Quran contains specific prophecies about the future. 1:34:54 Mutual respect and admiration between different religious groups
Listening to JP’s conversations is fast becoming my favourite part of preparing dinner. Respectful dialogue is really relaxing. Much gratitude for this.
@@burakcoskun38 what do you mean by "what"? what do you mean by "do"? what do you mean by "you"? what do you mean by "mean"? what do you mean by "by"?
I am a Christian who was raised Southern Baptist but now I am non-denominational. I've always had questions about faith and religion and how it correlates to mine or how it doesn't but here's where I'm stumped: In our Christian faith we are taught to honor our Mother & Father & so therefore in a lot of Christian households, we are taught about the Bible. So how can we look at other religions as being "wrong" whenever they likely had a similar way of adopting religion (through family)? I have met so many wonderful people from all different religions & it's incredibly hard to condemn someone for their religious beliefs because we can't even collectively define religion itself. Just to reiterate, I believe the Gospel but I would like someone from the Christian faith to explain to me how someone who was born Muslim and died Muslim who never knew Jesus will not be entering the Kingdom of Heaven??? Any thoughts on this would be welcomed.
Can we just appreciate how Mr Peterson pulled back the conversation and said, I don't want to talk about "x" I would rather talk about "y" and how from then on the quality of the conversation just improved significantly. What a great video. Love listening to all of your thoughts and concepts. What an incredible mind. I admire your precision of speech and depth of thought. What an incredible discussion. So glad I could listen to his
I can respond if you like. I suppose you could call me a Christian as I try to follow the words of Jesus and the bible, search for a closer relationship with God, and go to church meetings. The consistent “evidence” supporting my own belief in what (and who) I consider to be the way and truth has been the vast array of modern psychological, sociological and psychoanalytical findings that seem to fall perfectly in place with what God communicates to us in the bible, especially in Jesus’ teachings. Peterson points out quite a few more consistencies in this discussion, which I found fascinating. On top of that, I love his articulation of the idea that looking at stories in the bible as literal, historical, somewhat ephemeral incidences are in a way downplaying their eternal significance, because they were true then, they are now, and they will be in the future.
On top of that, I also loved hearing from Mohammed about the consistencies with modern life which his holy book have described. On the darker side, I do believe his fervent (and no doubt religiously dutiful) attempts to convince the other two of the higher value or more rightful place of his own religion was kind of missing the point of where this conversation was intended to go. I hoped the core similarities and differences would be discussed in order to reach a further understanding of how we can coexist without conflict, but as Mohammed had suggested a few times, unity is not his main goal.
Damn, unfortunate that video cuts off at the end. For shame that daily wire didn't include the last part of this interview on their website. That was an important line Peterson was on.
In the name of Allah the most gracious the most merciful Allah Glory to him said: Indeed, Allah chose Adam, Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of Imrân [father of Mary] above all people. -33- They are descendants of one another. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing. -34- ˹Remember˺ when the wife of ’Imrân said, “My Lord! I dedicate what is in my womb entirely to Your service,1 so accept it from me. You ˹alone˺ are truly the All-Hearing, All-Knowing.” -35-When she delivered, she said, “My Lord! I have given birth to a girl,”-and Allah fully knew what she had delivered-“and the male is not like the female. I have named her Mary, and I seek Your protection for her and her offspring from Satan, the accursed.”-36- So her Lord accepted her graciously and blessed her with a pleasant upbringing-entrusting her to the care of Zachariah. Whenever Zachariah visited her in the sanctuary, he found her supplied with provisions. He exclaimed, “O Mary! Where did this come from?” She replied, “It is from Allah. Surely Allah provides for whoever He wills without limit.”-37- Then and there Zachariah prayed to his Lord, saying, “My Lord! Grant me-by your grace-righteous offspring. You are certainly the Hearer of ˹all˺ prayers.”-38- So the angels called out to him while he stood praying in the sanctuary, “Allah gives you good news of ˹the birth of˺ John who will confirm the Word of Allah and will be a great leader, chaste, and a prophet among the righteous.”-39- Zachariah exclaimed, “My Lord! How can I have a son when I am very old and my wife is barren?” He replied, “So will it be. Allah does what He wills.” -40- Zachariah said, “My Lord! Grant me a sign.” He said, “Your sign is that you will not ˹be able to˺ speak to people for three days except through gestures. Remember your Lord often and glorify ˹Him˺ morning and evening.”-41- And ˹remember˺ when the angels said, “O Mary! Surely Allah has selected you, purified you, and chosen you over all women of the world. -42- O Mary! Be devout to your Lord, prostrate yourself ˹in prayer˺ and bow along with those who bow down.”-43- This is news of the unseen that We reveal to you ˹O Prophet˺. You were not with them when they cast lots to decide who would be Mary’s guardian, nor were you there when they argued ˹about it˺.-44- ˹Remember˺ when the angels proclaimed, “O Mary! Allah gives you good news of a Word1 from Him, his name will be the Messiah,2 Jesus, son of Mary; honoured in this world and the Hereafter, and he will be one of those nearest ˹to Allah˺.-45- And he will speak to people in ˹his˺ infancy and adulthood and will be one of the righteous.” -46- Mary wondered, “My Lord! How can I have a child when no man has ever touched me?” An angel replied, “So will it be. Allah creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He simply tells it, ‘Be!’ And it is! -47- And Allah will teach him writing and wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel,-48- and ˹make him˺ a messenger to the Children of Israel ˹to proclaim,˺ ‘I have come to you with a sign from your Lord: I will make for you a bird from clay, breathe into it, and it will become a ˹real˺ bird-by Allah’s Will. I will heal the blind and the leper and raise the dead to life-by Allah’s Will. And I will prophesize what you eat and store in your houses. Surely in this is a sign for you if you ˹truly˺ believe. -49- And I will confirm the Torah revealed before me and legalize some of what had been forbidden to you. I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so be mindful of Allah and obey me. -50- Surely Allah is my Lord and your Lord. So worship Him ˹alone˺. This is the Straight Path.’” -51- When Jesus sensed disbelief from his people, he asked, “Who will stand up with me for Allah?” The disciples replied, “We will stand up for Allah. We believe in Allah, so bear witness that we have submitted.” -52- ˹They prayed to Allah,˺ “Our Lord! We believe in Your revelations and follow the messenger, so count us among those who bear witness.” -53- And the disbelievers made a plan ˹against Jesus˺, but Allah also planned-and Allah is the best of planners.-54- ˹Remember˺ when Allah said, “O Jesus! I will take you1 and raise you up to Myself. I will deliver you from those who disbelieve, and elevate your followers above the disbelievers until the Day of Judgment. Then to Me you will ˹all˺ return, and I will settle all your disputes. -55- As for those who disbelieve, I will subject them to a severe punishment in this life and the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers. -56- And as for those who believe and do good, they will be rewarded in full. And Allah does not like the wrongdoers.” -57- We recite ˹all˺ this to you ˹O Prophet˺ as one of the signs1 and ˹as˺ a wise reminder. -58- Indeed, the example of Jesus in the sight of Allah is like that of Adam. He created him from dust, then said to him, “Be!” And he was! -59- This is the truth from your Lord, so do not be one of those who doubt. -60- }} Al-Imaran Al-Quran Al-Kareem
0:00: 🗣 The speaker discusses the importance of initiating dialogue and understanding between people of different religious faiths, emphasizing the need to focus on commonalities rather than differences. 10:36: 🗣 The speaker discusses the importance of engaging in difficult discussions and exploring different perspectives in order to find common ground and address historical atrocities. 20:04: 🗣 The speaker discusses the complex issue of responsibility for colonial past and offers an alternative perspective to the notion that the ideology of the West can fix all problems. 28:51: ✨ The speaker discusses the purpose of life and the importance of unity and humility in faith. 36:37: 🎶 The discussion explores the role of worship, ritual, and music in fostering unity and integration within communities, highlighting the importance of celebrating and praising a higher power. 46:05: 📚 The discussion revolves around the concept of truth, unity, and the compatibility of Christianity and scientific narratives. 55:26: 📚 The speaker discusses the centrality of the figure of Christ in different religious traditions and the significance of symbolic interpretation in Christianity. 1:04:21: 🤔 The speaker discusses the complexities of belief, perception, and interpretation in relation to questions about God and texts. 1:13:05: 💡 The speaker discusses the psychological perspective on why people are drawn to the crucifixion story and the concept of confronting tragedy and hell in life. 1:23:05: 📚 Discussion on the power of belief, unity, and the evidence for Prophet Muhammad's prophethood. 1:32:40: 📚 The speaker discusses various prophecies and beliefs related to Islam and evaluates the concept of proof in faith. Recap by Tammy AI
The discussion between Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Mohammed Hijab was not a “pro-contra battle” between Christianity and Islam, but an attempt to explore deeper questions about human existence, morality, and truth. Both participants demonstrated that genuine conversations do not have to be confrontational but can be rooted in respect, openness, and a shared pursuit of wisdom. Reducing this dialogue to a simplistic conflict misses its essence: it was about building bridges between cultures and religions and addressing the universal challenges of faith, responsibility, and ethics. Such discussions should not be used to declare winners or losers but to challenge and enrich our own understanding of the world.
We captured excellent women for ransom. We decided to have sex with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). We asked Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born. Sahih Muslim 1438a
The US's 'Founding Fathers', already tried this approach of 'attempt to understand the muslim jackals, who kept killing & enslaving non-islamics indiscriminantly & without mercy or for amy apparent sane reason. They were told that that's how it's written in the q'ran & haddiths, that's how it'll remain. The result was a ban on muslims withim the US. Infortunately, Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnell, John McCain, Lindsay Graham & 1 or 2 other retards removed yhay law, in the 60's or 70's. That's treason & punishable by death. muslims are blooded from an early age & are raised to - expected to inflict fear, terror & atrocities upon the infidels via the 7 types of jihad, on every occassion, while being taught to deceive manipulate & destroy everything that wasn't made via allah. Look up taharoosh/taharuush. The way muslims achieve their halal food, is the same way the satanist elites get their adrenalin packed blood from tortured children before they're killed. They both pray to the devil & get along like a house on fire. To understand the reason why they always act like cut snakes, search for video & text on halal, adrenalin, epi-pen & adrenochrome processes. All are part of the global cabal & must be forced to leave our countries - receive the penalty of death, if they don't comply.
He punctured Hijab's dull conversion tactics in just the right way. I would have loved to have heard more from him but what little he did say was perfect.
This conversation was long needed. These 3 people were probably the best to have the conversation. This also shows the world how different views can sit and have a good time while disagreeing. Thank you
@@elingrome5853 Those parts of "the world" have expressed these views had these conversations and conducted debates/discussions when royalties in Europe couldn't read their own names
@@islamicsensei These discussions will always happen as long as different religions exist. These conversations are rare and it being streamed for the public makes it even more rare. It's amazing and hopefully more conversations like this will take place for the public.
The point is that we often start the discussion badly. Patience. ❤ I hope we get many more discussions like this; and that Jordan won’t be the only social glue that will hold together the disagreeable Jonathan & disagreeable Mohammed 👍
Hijab is not well equipped at all...only two people were here to understand and the other was only geared to convert. It will be quite some time before Mojab gets it. But in Mojab's lack of sincere engagement, we at least understand that Fundamental Muslims will oft express no particular position in understanding/appreciating the other...only to correct/bring the other into order..This is telling, leaving us with the question...will fundamental Islam ever have the ability to engage in equivalence...?
This was absolutely incredible! I just love to see people who have very different worldviews getting along, agreeing to disagree, and having the bravery to get right to the point about things people in the past would have been KILLED over to discuss. I shared a tear with Peterson at the end as well.
from a native arabic speaker live in a muslim country, i am telling you muslims play peace when they are minority but if they became majority (only violence) is their act.
This should be a tutorial video on how to have a civil productive conversation between different beliefs and opinions. It was very heart warming to listen to this, a beacon of light in a world of madness. God bless you all
@@jsharp9735 The arbitrary word "life" is just a verbal masturbation for the sake of orientation. Humans are temporary composed of materials with properties producing the temporary and fuzzy effects of identity. Same as the walls 🧱 are made of bricks. Nothing special. If your question is, where reality comes from? It is , was and always will be..
I am a Christian and have visited many Muslim countries I.e Jordan - Palestine- Egypt - Morrocco - Pakistan - Algeria - kula Lumpur- Kuwait and have had many conversations I feel so at home there and most of my best friends are Muslim ' some of us can't speak each other's language 'still very close ' translators/text. Really loved this video and it's true that we are very similar and get a long good . Just the media makes it like we are enemies - Don't take my word for it just travel and you will see for yourself .I have the up most respect for all my brothers ...
@@knightara Unfortunately for an extremely massive amount of the population of both communities you Mentioned There's plenty of reasons. If you actually interpret the word as the word of God and/or It's Allah to be literal in its interpretation then From the Christian perspective all muslims will burn in hell for eternity and all christians need to die as an infidel should
Most people that have the views of what you're saying cherry pick from their religion and believe and don't believe What it is they feel like it's ridiculous how many people that are religious have never actually read through the text and we're just indoctrinated at a young age and told I mean of course If God is all forgiving that even if you do screw up you can always come back so just live your life how you want I mean it's so contradictory and ignorant
I'm almost a below average student, but when i listen to talks like these and watch documentaries, i feel i learn more, more than school offers, not that I'm dismissing the importance of school, but i love when people speak without the media and world pollution involved, it's really really amazing
If you’re interested in talks such as this, it’s obvious that you’re intelligent and curious. “Don’t let your schooling get in the way of your learning.”- said by someone smart. Read more and continue to seek knowledge.
If this discussion speaks to you, try looking into Blogging Theology channel. There are bunch of topics of theism and even more specifically in depth on Islam being discussed at length.
You're not dismissing the importance of education, by pointing out the monotony of indoctrination, and the oppression of free creative thinking, within the modern education system.
I like how Dr. Peterson comes of out of the gate saying he wants "to start a dialogue stupidly and badly". It's humble and socratic. I don't really know too much, but I am going to attempt to do something, and I am going to do it badly. But let's at least get it started.
Thank you Jonathan Pageau!! I see Christ in you through your humility of letting others speak first! James 1:19 "Let every person be quick to hear and slow to speak"
@@AC-mp7cx I care when people interrupt during a conversation. Who does NOT care? Conversations should be civil ..and a rule of civil discourse is: Do not interrupt.
5:06 Dr Jordan: “I’m actually not here to be tolerant” WOW i give him a lot of credit for being brutally honest & sticking to his beliefs, & showing guts!!!
But that was more of a statement saying its not out of tolerance because that would mean he's just putting up with him. Hes just tolerating this debate. So I think he explained quite well why he didn't use the word "tolerate"
He's not there? How's he going to ask a totally irrelevant question? Last I checked, he was Israeli? Peterson is CHRISTIAN! Hijab is Muslim? What are you talking about??
It is very easy to refute Islam! Because the God of Islam does not know that according to Christianity God incarnated True love = the love of God! *God himself went to the cross for you out of love for you as a human being* Philippians 2:5-8
Jonathan Pageau had the patience to listen to all of Hijab sayings against our beliefs is wow... there were thinks that hurt me I would never be able to be quiet. Thanks Jonathan.
@@jeffw7382 mohammed was not acting bad come on his abit rough around the edges but his a good soul trust me he means well its just how he says things sometimes some people are like that but he is genuine and a good guy overall
Jonathan just posted an explanation of this video on his channel explaining exactly why he was the way he was here. Specifically how Mohammad was intent on trying to prove to his buddies that he was trying to convert them, rather than engaging in the original purpose of this dialogue (which was to discuss the title of this video). Recommend you check it out.
@@sararae5994 r u living in a turtle shell? Have you seen how demeaning and insulting he can be to others? See those youtube videos where he was caught doing this. Anyway he was totally owned here.
6,101 The Originator of the heavens and earth, from where He have a son whereas there is no woman for Him and he has created everything and He knows all things. *Allah cannot have a son without a female !!* Allah does not know that the eternal god himself became man !! *According to the Koran, Allah believes: Jesus is a Jewish Hercules (new created GOD)!*
I greatly appreciated the opportunity to hear this conversation. A lot of us are questioning what is happening around us more and more. Such discussions have traditionally been held between intellectuals, philosophers, and theologians, leaving the common man in the dark. Being an audience to such conversations helps sift through some thoughts, biases, and concerns we have in a seemingly more confused world. This hit the mark.
In the name of Allah the most gracious the most merciful Allah Glory to him said: Indeed, Allah chose Adam, Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of Imrân [father of Mary] above all people. -33- They are descendants of one another. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing. -34- ˹Remember˺ when the wife of ’Imrân said, “My Lord! I dedicate what is in my womb entirely to Your service,1 so accept it from me. You ˹alone˺ are truly the All-Hearing, All-Knowing.” -35-When she delivered, she said, “My Lord! I have given birth to a girl,”-and Allah fully knew what she had delivered-“and the male is not like the female. I have named her Mary, and I seek Your protection for her and her offspring from Satan, the accursed.”-36- So her Lord accepted her graciously and blessed her with a pleasant upbringing-entrusting her to the care of Zachariah. Whenever Zachariah visited her in the sanctuary, he found her supplied with provisions. He exclaimed, “O Mary! Where did this come from?” She replied, “It is from Allah. Surely Allah provides for whoever He wills without limit.”-37- Then and there Zachariah prayed to his Lord, saying, “My Lord! Grant me-by your grace-righteous offspring. You are certainly the Hearer of ˹all˺ prayers.”-38- So the angels called out to him while he stood praying in the sanctuary, “Allah gives you good news of ˹the birth of˺ John who will confirm the Word of Allah and will be a great leader, chaste, and a prophet among the righteous.”-39- Zachariah exclaimed, “My Lord! How can I have a son when I am very old and my wife is barren?” He replied, “So will it be. Allah does what He wills.” -40- Zachariah said, “My Lord! Grant me a sign.” He said, “Your sign is that you will not ˹be able to˺ speak to people for three days except through gestures. Remember your Lord often and glorify ˹Him˺ morning and evening.”-41- And ˹remember˺ when the angels said, “O Mary! Surely Allah has selected you, purified you, and chosen you over all women of the world. -42- O Mary! Be devout to your Lord, prostrate yourself ˹in prayer˺ and bow along with those who bow down.”-43- This is news of the unseen that We reveal to you ˹O Prophet˺. You were not with them when they cast lots to decide who would be Mary’s guardian, nor were you there when they argued ˹about it˺.-44- ˹Remember˺ when the angels proclaimed, “O Mary! Allah gives you good news of a Word1 from Him, his name will be the Messiah,2 Jesus, son of Mary; honoured in this world and the Hereafter, and he will be one of those nearest ˹to Allah˺.-45- And he will speak to people in ˹his˺ infancy and adulthood and will be one of the righteous.” -46- Mary wondered, “My Lord! How can I have a child when no man has ever touched me?” An angel replied, “So will it be. Allah creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He simply tells it, ‘Be!’ And it is! -47- And Allah will teach him writing and wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel,-48- and ˹make him˺ a messenger to the Children of Israel ˹to proclaim,˺ ‘I have come to you with a sign from your Lord: I will make for you a bird from clay, breathe into it, and it will become a ˹real˺ bird-by Allah’s Will. I will heal the blind and the leper and raise the dead to life-by Allah’s Will. And I will prophesize what you eat and store in your houses. Surely in this is a sign for you if you ˹truly˺ believe. -49- And I will confirm the Torah revealed before me and legalize some of what had been forbidden to you. I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so be mindful of Allah and obey me. -50- Surely Allah is my Lord and your Lord. So worship Him ˹alone˺. This is the Straight Path.’” -51- When Jesus sensed disbelief from his people, he asked, “Who will stand up with me for Allah?” The disciples replied, “We will stand up for Allah. We believe in Allah, so bear witness that we have submitted.” -52- ˹They prayed to Allah,˺ “Our Lord! We believe in Your revelations and follow the messenger, so count us among those who bear witness.” -53- And the disbelievers made a plan ˹against Jesus˺, but Allah also planned-and Allah is the best of planners.-54- ˹Remember˺ when Allah said, “O Jesus! I will take you1 and raise you up to Myself. I will deliver you from those who disbelieve, and elevate your followers above the disbelievers until the Day of Judgment. Then to Me you will ˹all˺ return, and I will settle all your disputes. -55- As for those who disbelieve, I will subject them to a severe punishment in this life and the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers. -56- And as for those who believe and do good, they will be rewarded in full. And Allah does not like the wrongdoers.” -57- We recite ˹all˺ this to you ˹O Prophet˺ as one of the signs1 and ˹as˺ a wise reminder. -58- Indeed, the example of Jesus in the sight of Allah is like that of Adam. He created him from dust, then said to him, “Be!” And he was! -59- This is the truth from your Lord, so do not be one of those who doubt. -60- }} Al-Imaran Al-Quran Al-Kareem
*Who explains to us why the Koran says Christians believe God has a biological son!* To all Muslims! Son of God means NOT SON! What is called the son of God is the word of God = god himself! Which has nothing to do with a child (son)! Thus, the Son of God is incarnated as the human Jesus and the human Jesus is therefore referred to as a son, which does not mean a son!
Hebr 1,2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, *by whom also he made the worlds;* as everyone can see the term Son of God refers to the Word of God = god himself! For through that God created the worlds! *what a mistake in the Qur'an!*
This was a calm, careful discussion on all parties and it did my heart good to hear 3 people of different opinions and faiths speak openly and freely with each other without resulting in yelling and screaming. Kudos to all ya'll.
It's definitely a good start of a conversation to be continued hopefully. Also from my American standpoint I remember it is written humility comes before honor.
I am sitting here with tears in my eyes, not not tears of sadness, but of joy. Real talk between interdenominational folks is so rare and such a real blessing. I have something I like to say which is "easier to build a bridge to come together than to build a wall and climb over it to come together. I personally am moving to Indonesian-Bali this year because the multi cultural-ethnic and pluralistic society. Perhaps not perfect, but far removed from where I find the US right now. I think it is interesting to look at those few places in the wold where people do get along and actively work to get to a better place. Bless you three for coming together today. Really does bring joy to my heart. Thank you Jordan, Jonathan and Mohammed for taking a chance and doing your best to build that bridge!
I just wanted to say, welcome to indonesia, i hope you will find "home" here.. Fair warning, There will always be a bad apple in here, but i hope it won't make you feel all indonesian are like that. This country are not perfect, but at least we had a motto "unity in diversity", to learn, accept, and appreciate the difference. Sekali lagi, selamat datang di Indonesia
By moving to Indonesia which is predominantly Islamic, it is sincerely hoped that the Christians will not be persecuted to the degree that they have been persecuted in the past.
*Who explains to us why the Koran says Christians believe God has a biological son!* To all Muslims! Son of God means NOT SON! What is called the son of God is the word of God = god himself! Which has nothing to do with a child (son)! Thus, the Son of God is incarnated as the human Jesus and the human Jesus is therefore referred to as a son, which does not mean a son!
Hebr 1,2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, *by whom also he made the worlds;* as everyone can see the term Son of God refers to the Word of God = god himself! For through that God created the worlds! *what a mistake in the Qur'an!*
Hay Dave, How much do you know about Bali? Hope you've paid due diligence to extensive research. Islands are no longer the tropical paradises they more or less were as little as 30 years ago. Crime is nothing compared to just a small section of Chicago, or New York... pick a city. Last month there were 27 property crimes. Food is becoming an issue, and it shouldn't be! Because they're suppose to by growing and fishing for their food, but Westernization fffks things up! Anyway, the real threats living in Bali is it's in the region known as the "Ring of Fire" and it has 3 active volcanoes on the Island. Make sure you're on the Western side should one of those bad boys decide to go off Big Time like Krakatoa did ! Good Luck!
I feel that Jonathan should've been given more time to speak and asked questions. He is a notable person who perhaps has quite a lot of knowledge on his field. I would love to hear his views on Christianity. I am Muslim but love listening to others faith and their views.
Algeria was a Christian nation before it was conquered by Muslims in the 7th century. So, if we are going to talk about the West having amnesia, well; so.... how far back do we want to go?
All north Africa never been christian they might been some christians living there and for sure they’re still living but as nation dominated christianity that is not true
Wow, if you think that Algeria was conquered by muslims then you should really fact check your history. Algerians were successfull in holding back Muslim conquerers (check out for example the famous Kahina), but interesting enough over time they were sending their next generation leadership to study in Arab countries (because they were leading in education and knowledge) which is where they started picking up Islam and coming back to their tribes and regions as muslim. So you can say that they won the wars against the Muslim invaders, but became muslim through a much more knowledge based transmission of religion. I would recommend work by the historian Benjamin Stora. For instance, the english summary of his several volume work (originally in french) called "Algeria, 1830-2000". He has sections on this part of the Algerian history in the first chapter of the book. The main focus of the book is as the title suggests the french colonization.
I am an atheist, have been a huge fan of Dr Peterson since 2016..... I grew up in a doomsday cult , 99% disagreeable, high in contentiousness , high in openness, very low in neuroticism ..... I went back to college and graduated and I have him to thank, a better relationship with my very religious mother , and I have him to thank. He has been my internet father as well as many other peoples , I know he gets this all the time but , man, he gave me direction and meaning and he doesn't know me, he inspired me through taking his own advice when he was going through hell, I cried when he cried when he was coming out of it all I was coming out of my own. He has made his mark on this world (roughly speaking) I admire and respect his words and that he follows his own words in his actions . I feel fortunate to stumble on his videos one night looking for anything that would tell me why I have such a hard time with life , and he gave me my answer. Thank you Dr Peterson. I do love seeing him challenged in this video though.... (I love a good hard debate) .
Take a look at "give me an answer" when u have some time. People who like Jordan enjoy that channel as well. Not as deep but definitely challenging to our long taught ideas.
I've a serious question, ma'am, how could you live and don't have contact with your imaginary friend? Does he speak back? You should be committed to a mental institution. I've also read the Qu'Ran. And the Hadith. Serious question: how could you live with yourself aligning yourself with the most evil, vile, horrible ideology to ever exist on the planet in all of human history? How do you live with yourself? How do you sleep at night? Did you know verbal intelligence has a 0.6 correlation with general intelligence? From the way you write (and the horrible things you just said) I would wager your IQ is 2 digits.@@Fatima-qv3oi
I say this with a humble heart, humanity, where it stands, desperately needs to hear a continuation of this conversation, I beg please do it again. I have learned so much. We can all benefit tremendously of this kind of interaction, and we need it. I have been moved to my core. In my 49 years of life, it has been one of the most important events to witness, blessings to all.
I second that. Afterall, true devotees to the Abrahamic religions share the same fundamental values and concern towards certain social issues such as transgenderism or feminism.
Not enough Jonathan Pageau! He is definitely the best listener. Love the discourse on music. Also the discussion about belief which must be lived-not only professed. These discussions need to be continued.
Jonathan posted a video on his channel explaining why he was the way he was in this discussion. He read Mohammad correctly.. you should go check it out.
I see a very arrogant, ignorant, immature, lost graduate student, pretending to be humble but know everything, trying very hard to teach, and actually look to personal attack, a truely humble, mature, intelligent, confidence, knowledgeable, patience professor who had done a lot of inner works and know himself very well.
@@sergiolalopez3598 As Muslims it's important to give reference if we are quoting something from Quran not just translation but Arabic as well, it's a common practice among Muslims even those who don't know Arabic learn the specific verse to convey the message with absolute Authenticity. Look up for any Islamic Scholar or even a student and you'll find them doing this.
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I`d like to thank my dad for busting my balls to learn english at the age of 8, because without that, I would have never gotten to experience conversations and knowledge like this.
True love = the love of God!
*God himself went to the cross for you out of love for you as a human being*
Philippians 2:5-8
@@hannawurst6064 Pauls letters to all and sunder, are not Christ speaking. Please let that sink in, and reflect.
My friend don'tplay ignorant !! Because the fact is that the Koran writer didn't even know what Christians believe in! And if Paul1or anotherhas corruptet the Bible in the 1st century or not, it doesn't change the fact that according to the Koran Allah has no idea about Christianity and that in the 7th century!!!
*Peter the apostle of Jesus himself confirms Paul's writings as Holy Scriptures!*
2 Peter 3:15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
@@hannawurst6064 really ng
Its amazing how much more effective talks like this are without an audience interrupting every 5 seconds
It mean that when you appling logic mean itself you don't have holy sprit leading in you then it is difficult to understand God mahamad
@@srinivasaraorao1043 Your understanding of Islam like a baby who understands science at the age of two. By the way We muslims don't believe Muhammed (S.A.W) is a God.
@@rohanrahman8138 : Muhammad is not God but he came from the devil 👿. Muhammad is presently in hell and burning. Jesus Christ is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Jesus Christ will judge on judgment day. Allah is a pagan moon god of the Kabba.
@@hulchul8891 Where did you get this information? CNN or Whatsapp University 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣? In today's world, education is very important, as I just realised from your comment. So have some coffee and read some books on Islam. I hope you listen for your own benefit.
The “West” compared to what?? No “faith” on this planet damages or threatens freedom more than Islam. That’s my opinion and I’m ALLOWED to have it!!!! I’m not a person of ANY faith but can understand and support the opposition to it all!! Why are we still talking about this?!?. OMG!!!! Recognize our condition!!! Stop relating this to RELIGION!!! Please don’t speak of the problems humans have without considering the origin???…EMERGENCE of CONSCIOUSNESS???? !!!!!
I am a uneducated American currently residing temporary in Dublin Ireland and I have long conversations with Pakistanis, Brazilians, Greeks,Romanians, YOU NAME IT!
Point being most people from anywhere around the planet are willing to have interesting conversations of respect and abundance. Never believe the social media hate and divide.
True
If you want to debate islam let me know ;)
@@Truthseiker87 Yeah why was Muhammad possessed by a Djinn and his wife’s cousin told him it was the Angel Gabriel? Why was he unsure about his salvation if he is a Prophet of God?
Ok. Any klingon, lately?
Right
Grateful to all the men involved with participating in difficult conversations. This takes something.
I love that line. “I’m not going to say I’m here for tolerance, because tolerance means I know better than you but I will tolerate you”
Yes I agree..I love that too..
but we're expected to tolerate all kinds of ideas we don't agree with because we don't want to be perceived as dictators..
God wants us to come to him by knowledge not by force
This discussion is very inspirational
Other than you not better than you
Honestly though...what's wrong with saying that? No one believes what they believe because they think they are wrong. I think it is impossible to assume that you know better then someone else that has different ideas then you if, having met their ideas, you reject them.
Better to tolerate people you think are wrong. Better TO tell them they are wrong if asked about it! Be honest about the disagreements, and teach the world to not be offended by assumptions everyone makes.
Who said that here?
Timestamp?
“What you need most will be found where you least want to look” such a powerful quote
Was this a debate or a lecture. That muslim dude wouldn't shut up.
@@LeoCody1 I don't trust this Hijab guy for some reason. Reminds me of this Hindus in India
Point 1 is that Mummamod was born 600 years after Jesus Christ was crucified on the cross and both the old and New Testament had been around for all those years beforehand and so a lot of the Islamic book has so much of the holy bible within its pages or at least the shadow of God’s Word.
It is very easy to refute Islam! Because the God of Islam does not know that according to Christianity God incarnated
True love = the love of God!
*God himself went to the cross for you out of love for you as a human being*
Philippians 2:5-8
Islam is a driven oratory system in many instances (rather than idle discussion), so sometimes it can be mistaken for lecture due to the style of teaching. Nonetheless it's confidence is why it ended Christianity long ago in most places and left them with nothing but churches full of old losers. If you haven't noticed youth influencers are ALL Islamic. Be it Tiktok, or British majority influencers like Andrew Tate.
This is how a debate should unfold literally and not screaming and interrupting one another and not be able to speak, this is education at its finest, just beautiful for the ears.
Exactly. I noticed that only the people who know and are competent will debate without screaming at each other, but that's not always the case.
*here YHWH says in the Old Testament he is the son who was pierced in a prophecy! 6th century before Jesus Christ*
Zechariah 12,10 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit[1] of grace and supplication. They will look on[2] me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.
@@hannawurst6064 And again another scripture says "They shall look on HIM whom they have pierced."
We see clearly! In John 19:37 "" "" You will look at the one you have pierced «" "" But you only look at one according to Zechariah 12:10 and that is YHWH !!! You only look at YHWH!
So John 19:37 contradicts all newer versions of Zechariah 12:10 where another was pierced than YHWH !! YHWH speaks about this in Zechariah from his point of view and the apostles from the point of view of man! because you can see who you have pierced! And that's the one who says YOU LOOK AT ME !!! So the fact is YHWH says you look at ME !! And who are you looking at;). Exactly the one they pierced!
My friend according to textual criticism, the matter is clear! According to Zechariah, YHWH was pierced! because the Christian writings of Zechariah and the confirmation text in John are the oldest sources that exist!
This is so refreshing to see two people with differing ideas having a respectful discussion whilst challenging each other’s ideas without losing their cool or responding with anger or threats. This is what the world needs.
One quote that sums the whole conversation
"Stop asking if I believe in God; watch me." -Pageau
Agreed. The word “Iman” in Islam, which is often incompletely translated as “faith” or “belief”, actually encompasses faith in the heart, affirmation with the tongue and manifestation in action. Without all components, one’s “Iman” is considered incomplete.
@@a4482921 great reminder, but it shows it should be on all levels.. because the real intention is so important for why a person doing what he is doing.. is it fame, power, wealth, satisfy getting attention, need to feel important, satisfy his mom or doing good (but what better than goodness that our creater is asking us to do ) thats how I see it.. but eventually the only one know our real intention is our creator who knows what in our hearts
@dianakhayal7816 we believe that too, it's actually explicitly said by the prophet peace be upon him "Actions are judged by intentions", and the guy who commented said the first thing is "faith in the heart", so all 3 things he mentioned should be present
Jordan Peterson is so open and humble. A man of integrity. Canadian government needs to appreciate and be proud of this man!
Proud isn’t the best word, but yes they do need to appreciate who he is and what he has done. OR AT THE VERY LEAST give him some actual damn freedom of speech rights.
Luke 4 :24 And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.
It is very easy to refute Islam! Because the God of Islam does not know that according to Christianity God incarnated
True love = the love of God!
*God himself went to the cross for you out of love for you as a human being*
Philippians 2:5-8
@@-xDarkxGhostx- good thing I have my muckers on.........lol
A World wide treasure!!
Imagine if leaders from all walks of life and all religions could have intelligent, calm and respectful discussions like this each day how wonderful this world would be
Nothing wrong with disagreeing with someone for whatever you believe. I’m a Christian in training, wasn’t raised as a Christian, didn’t go to church, didn’t know God, just started about 4 years ago. I listen to all view points. Because of my experience 4 years ago with God and things God has shown me these last few years I know Jesus is not only my savior but God. I live by 3 rules (and probably don’t do them well). First I love God first, All other humans second, and I try to apply the Fruit of the Spirit to every conversation and everything I do. Communication is extremely important whether we agree or disagree, otherwise we have issues, communication is not trying to better someone or change someone THAT IS God’s plan and job. I’m an old guy and God didn’t need to use me until I 60. Sorry for the long conversation.
@@leela715 "disagree" are just a word for u to make him look bad? people have their own belief, perspectives, theory, and anthing that is different since we are human and by u mean disagree does'nt mean he is ignorant, he makes his points and eloborate it rather than being (like u) no offense. a man who did'nt like to be disagreed by.
@@richardannaken no need to be sorry. it is admirable that u seek knowledge rather than be ignorant. i hope u can do research about muslims aswell it's quite interesting. A man that tolerate for anything protect nothing.
They’ve got WAY too many ulterior motives involving making money to ever care to agree.
@@richardannaken Interesting
"making peace" same man said "Give them hell" when war started
was talking about hamas tbf
@@shaibujoshua3799 and after 40 thousand innocent died have we heard anything from him??
@@pac-ice-tan806 he did condemn the killing of innocent life or what more can he do
Peterson is suffering from the evangelical BS religion to believe that Israeli are sinless god's chosen and therefore have immunity and all rights to commit genocides and warcrimes.
He was right then too
I met a wonderful friend in college, and was blessed to have a similar type conversation with her, in private. She is black, I am white. We were close enough to ask each other every question about the differences we have experienced without embarressment, shame, or mincing words. She remains a blessing in my life. I understand so much more now...
If we all had that, itd be the end of racism in this country.
Can I take to dinner both of you?
@@ghostrider2664 yeah if you want to stop the racism stop separating black/white people and all those ,, representation " shit are bullshit
What was the subject matter? Fried chicken and looting ? You must have gained so much enlightenment from a people with an average IQ of 85.
Still friends?
This is the most intense yet calm and respectful talk I've ever seen
Kudos to Mohammed Hijab 🎉🎉🎉👍👏
He is intelligent & eloquent with an exceptionally high level of Emotional Quotient.
His perspective is extremely grounded , level-headed , highly rational , focussed , organised & systematic.
I was a fan of Jordan Peterson so I do respect him & his ideas.
For this video , unfortunately & disappointedly , every time he goes on his elongated tangent to a simple & straightforward question , I cannot help but visualise him ...
In a toga , floating around among the clouds , flitting from cloud to cloud & holding a harp but not playing it ....BECAUSE ....
he does not know how to play it ‼️
He is merely holding the harp for CLOUT AMONG THE CLOUDS ‼️‼️‼️🤦♀️
Sad to say , this makes him look like ....
An EMPTY CAN .... MAKING THE MOST NOISE ‼️‼️‼️🤦♀️
@@aryafaaz9345your bias is showing. 😂🔥👍
@@aryafaaz9345 Would it be more accurate if you said "I could not follow what Jordan Peterson was speaking about?" Surely, you're making a lot of noise yourself, you know?
@@aryafaaz9345 Dude, that's not a football game. Get that 'my team vs. the other team' Hype out of here.
Hmmm, shall we guessyour identity based on your biases?
I love how Jordan is completely open to talking and trying to understand anyone. More discourse like this is needed. Finding common ground.
They shouldn't be here
He says that he wants peace, but then goes on to storm Al-Aqsa compound with that robot sounding apartheid tribesmen creature. Rather what he wants is perennialism among Muslims and zionism for them. Did this interview happen before or after his storming of Al-Aqsa? Look up the video.
Also he was banned from twitter for annoying a girl that became a man right? So what does think of christianity that claims God became a man? Did God transition into an apartheid tribesmen creature? Is that why he stormed Al-Aqsa compound due to his belief that God belongs to the apartheid tribesmen's ethnicity?
he isn't really open if he says he won't embrace islam even if he was provided with the evidence.
@A.b.s how am I a troll?
Peterson is handling this discussion very well. His humility comes through and his message of being humble and peaceful is much needed in this conversation.
I Agree 100%
"give em hell"
@@zeadnasser4701 and he interviews the guy that said (I will choose a cow over 1.6 billion Muslims) and didn't interview not a single person to represent the other side, unfortunately, he's not the same he used to be like 1.5 years ago
Its the founding principal in Christianity. Whereas we see what the founding principal is in Islam that has birthed this young man Hijab - pride and religious superiority. Exactly what Jesus came to earth to END.
@Blkswan911 The Quran chapter 31, Verse 13 - 19, i can give more verses and more hadith, but one is enough.
Conversations like this are all too rare. I thank these three people for gathering here.
Christian’s who prefer modern liberalism over Islam are much further away from Jesus’ teachings than Muslims are
this guy Hijab is a big mess. He is a trouble maker.
@@amitdangwal3041 why ?
@@akrlafoleak5168he’s a Hindu. They think from their ass don’t worry
@@amitdangwal3041guys don't mind him he's a Hindu they have a natural hate for muslims
He was soooo shaky (weak) when he came back in the public eye after almost dying from kicking benzos. Man, does he ever bring the fire and thunder......now that he has healed some. My God, it warms my soul! God bless, the Good Doctor!
It's inspiring to see someone overcome all kinds of unbelievably difficult adversities and then to rise back to the top, living by his own advice.
Bravo, Dr. Peterson. Bravo. ❤ God bless.
😑Jordan is 💨 running from reality. He won't accept truth even if it was proven to him. This just shows his lack of sincerity. But he will cry on cue. ISLAM is the truth, but he refuses to accept because of his ego.
@@equityjustice2695 I'm not sure where you're coming from... it kind of sounds like you're forcing him to unquestionably adopt a religion that comes from a culture very different to his own. Is that truth?
@@equityjustice2695 You don't know for a fact that Islam is the truth, just like how no one on this earth knows all truths. Dogmatism was discussed in this video and you are displaying it clearly now! JP is plenty sincere and your letting your own beliefs cloud an objective judgement
@@SM_zzz that's not what I wrote?🤷♂️ Where did you get forcing anything on anyone. 🤔 Maybe your biases are projecting thoughts into your mind.
To be sitting in my living room and as a Christian in the US and listening to this amazing give and take conversation with Jordan, Mohammad Hijab and Jonathan on their religions is so heart warming. Having real conversations is what is going to help us all to live and work together as well as learn to respect one another for our differences. God Bless all of you all.
Basic Islam (*eg allah+Mohd+black stone…):
1. You have to believe in allah and equate a man by the name Mohammad next to him - idolatry;
2. You have to pray toward a rock that has a black stone in it - idolatry;
3. You have to give charity only to Muslim causes. You are not to support other causes. - But you claim Islam is a religion of peace and mercy. What a joke!
4. You have the fasting but when people cannot fast during the month, you pay somebody to fast on your behalf, and you earn righteousness! - But you deny what Christ Jesus did for you on the cross and His resurrection so that believers can get His righteousness (Rom4:25);
5. You go on perform the pilgrimage, but we heard what happened to the women (*being sexually abused) at the “holey place”. - Al Fadi
Jeremiah9:24but let him who boasts boast in this, that he understands and knows me, that I am the LORD who practices steadfast LOVE, justice, and righteousness in the earth. For in these things I delight, declares the LORD.”
@@hzjc9680 1- Yes, you have to believe in Allah and his messenger Mohammed(PBUH) and he is just a messenger and a prophet we do not consider him equal to Allah.
2- We pray towards the Kaaba and not worship the Kaaba, before our direction was changed to Kaaba the Mohammed (PBUH) and the Muslims at that time used to face Al-Aqsa Masjid which is in Jurusalem, and then Allah commanded them to face the Kaaba.
3-Muslims are not prohibited from giving charity to anyone unless they’re fighting against us.
4- You’re wrong again, someone cannot fast in your stead even if you pay them, you have to fast yourself and if you’re unable to because you’re traveling, sick, on menstrual cycle etc you make up for that fast by fasting in another month for how many fasts you missed and if you’re old, have a condition that makes you unable to fast because it puts you in danger you don’t have to fast instead you feed 1 person per day for how many fasts you missed, e.g you didn’t fast for 29 or 30 days in Ramadan you feed 29 or 30 people total 1 per day.
5- People who do atrocious acts like that when they’re at the holy place are the scum of earth and don’t fear Allah
That rarely happens.
Where did you even get your information from?
I’d like to know because wow everything you said is wrong
@@hzjc9680 you say the Jesus died for our sins, why? He could have just forgiven us if he’s god.
How can god die?
@@KingBugsBunny i dont think he is serious, just a hater. Most likely from america
Thanks! Entertained ! And sincerely touched !
People of faith need to talk to each other directly like this.
Is Peterson a man of faith ? I don’t think so - always patronizing from his ivory tower of self right dictation
Faith in what ?
He’s a Christian
@@terradargana3301I think he has a lot of respect for the British style reformations - Scottish and English Presbyterianism. And how influential it has been on western culture etc
Check out exodus
Thank you to all three of you. This is the conversation we should all be having to love and appreciate each other.
Nobody came to an agreement an the Muslim as cocky an arrogant as he may be didn’t even provide an facts an doesn’t know who Jesus really was, Muslims contradict themselves when it comes to Jesus an for hibjab to say provide the evidence an doesn’t accept when provided makes him look unintelligent an ignorant especially the part where they were gonna go off topic to prove hijab wrong but he didn’t want the smoke 1:09:32, for him to save they believe in Jesus an his miracles but not believe he is the son of God is mind blowing, no other person has done miracles in the Quran yet they go beating around the bush an pretending like they have truth but they go by the Old Testament that was before Jesus Christ & pick an choose what makes sense to them instead of the entire story which is ridiculously selfish
They say Mohammed saw a vision of the revaluation from an angel but in the Bible Galatians chpt 1: vs8-9 it clearly says that we shouldn’t believe in anything other than what God has told us an clearly that’s not what Muslims do, yet they’ll pick an choose what’s best for them 😂 absolutely absurd fallacy
*The ETERNAL GOD would do anything for you!!*
Even out of love for you he went to the cross as a human!!
Philippians 2:5-8
Sensible tolerant dialogue is the "ONLY" way for humanity to move forward. Kudos to both of these great men.
Blind faith isn't faith, doesn't matter if you're a muslim or a Christian. Unexamined faith isn't faith.
MH's willingness to let Dr. Peterson talk at length is MUCH appreciated.
That’s a low bar but given his record it’s understandable.
Hijab failed to understand this strategy from JP thats how JP weaseled his way out of all the questions and constantly interrupted hijab
Dishonest as expected
@@xGAMER_chimpX JP Waffled and Waffled and Waffled and .....
@@jagoman85 he sure did.
@@jagoman85 perhaps if you had understood more what he was saying it wouldn’t have been waffle?
Every few minutes into watching this conversation I kept feeling compelled to liking the video, just to realize once again that I had already done so!
Allah Glory to him said:”Those who say, “Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary,” have certainly fallen into disbelief. The Messiah ˹himself˺ said, “O Children of Israel! Worship Allah-my Lord and your Lord.” Whoever associates others with Allah ˹in worship˺ will surely be forbidden Paradise by Allah. Their home will be the Fire. And the wrongdoers will have no helpers.-72-Those who say, “Allah is one in a Trinity,” have certainly fallen into disbelief. There is only One God. If they do not stop saying this, those who disbelieve among them will be afflicted with a painful punishment.-73-Will they not turn to Allah in repentance and seek His forgiveness? And Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.-74- The Messiah, son of Mary, was no more than a messenger. ˹Many˺ messengers had ˹come and˺ gone before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They both ate food.1 See how We make the signs clear to them, yet see how they are deluded ˹from the truth˺!-75- Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “How can you worship besides Allah those who can neither harm nor benefit you? And Allah ˹alone˺ is the All-Hearing, All-Knowing.”-76- Say, “O People of the Book! Do not go to extremes in your faith beyond the truth, nor follow the vain desires of those who went astray before ˹you˺. They misled many and strayed from the Right Way.”-77- The disbelievers among the Children of Israel were condemned in the revelations of David and Jesus, son of Mary. That was for their disobedience and violations.-78- They did not forbid one another from doing evil. Evil indeed was what they did!-79- You see many of them taking the disbelievers1 as allies. Truly wicked are their misdeeds, which have earned them Allah’s wrath. And they will be in everlasting torment.-80- Had they believed in Allah, the Prophet, and what has been revealed to him, they would have never taken those ˹pagans˺ as allies. But most of them are rebellious-81- You will surely find the most bitter towards the believers to be the Jews and polytheists and the most gracious to be those who call themselves Christian. That is because there are priests and monks among them and because they are not arrogant.-82- When they listen to what has been revealed to the Messenger, you see their eyes overflowing with tears for recognizing the truth. They say, “Our Lord! We believe, so count us among the witnesses.-83- Why should we not believe in Allah and the truth that has come to us? And we long for our Lord to include us in the company of the righteous.”-84-So Allah will reward them for what they said with Gardens under which rivers flow, to stay there forever. And that is the reward of the good-doers.-85-“ Al-Maida Al Quran Al-Kareem
In the name of Allah the most gracious the most merciful
Allah Glory to him said:
Indeed, Allah chose Adam, Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of Imrân [father of Mary] above all people. -33- They are descendants of one another. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing. -34- ˹Remember˺ when the wife of ’Imrân said, “My Lord! I dedicate what is in my womb entirely to Your service,1 so accept it from me. You ˹alone˺ are truly the All-Hearing, All-Knowing.” -35-When she delivered, she said, “My Lord! I have given birth to a girl,”-and Allah fully knew what she had delivered-“and the male is not like the female. I have named her Mary, and I seek Your protection for her and her offspring from Satan, the accursed.”-36- So her Lord accepted her graciously and blessed her with a pleasant upbringing-entrusting her to the care of Zachariah. Whenever Zachariah visited her in the sanctuary, he found her supplied with provisions. He exclaimed, “O Mary! Where did this come from?” She replied, “It is from Allah. Surely Allah provides for whoever He wills without limit.”-37- Then and there Zachariah prayed to his Lord, saying, “My Lord! Grant me-by your grace-righteous offspring. You are certainly the Hearer of ˹all˺ prayers.”-38- So the angels called out to him while he stood praying in the sanctuary, “Allah gives you good news of ˹the birth of˺ John who will confirm the Word of Allah and will be a great leader, chaste, and a prophet among the righteous.”-39- Zachariah exclaimed, “My Lord! How can I have a son when I am very old and my wife is barren?” He replied, “So will it be. Allah does what He wills.” -40- Zachariah said, “My Lord! Grant me a sign.” He said, “Your sign is that you will not ˹be able to˺ speak to people for three days except through gestures. Remember your Lord often and glorify ˹Him˺ morning and evening.”-41- And ˹remember˺ when the angels said, “O Mary! Surely Allah has selected you, purified you, and chosen you over all women of the world. -42- O Mary! Be devout to your Lord, prostrate yourself ˹in prayer˺ and bow along with those who bow down.”-43- This is news of the unseen that We reveal to you ˹O Prophet˺. You were not with them when they cast lots to decide who would be Mary’s guardian, nor were you there when they argued ˹about it˺.-44- ˹Remember˺ when the angels proclaimed, “O Mary! Allah gives you good news of a Word1 from Him, his name will be the Messiah,2 Jesus, son of Mary; honoured in this world and the Hereafter, and he will be one of those nearest ˹to Allah˺.-45- And he will speak to people in ˹his˺ infancy and adulthood and will be one of the righteous.” -46- Mary wondered, “My Lord! How can I have a child when no man has ever touched me?” An angel replied, “So will it be. Allah creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He simply tells it, ‘Be!’ And it is! -47- And Allah will teach him writing and wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel,-48- and ˹make him˺ a messenger to the Children of Israel ˹to proclaim,˺ ‘I have come to you with a sign from your Lord: I will make for you a bird from clay, breathe into it, and it will become a ˹real˺ bird-by Allah’s Will. I will heal the blind and the leper and raise the dead to life-by Allah’s Will. And I will prophesize what you eat and store in your houses. Surely in this is a sign for you if you ˹truly˺ believe. -49- And I will confirm the Torah revealed before me and legalize some of what had been forbidden to you. I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so be mindful of Allah and obey me. -50- Surely Allah is my Lord and your Lord. So worship Him ˹alone˺. This is the Straight Path.’” -51- When Jesus sensed disbelief from his people, he asked, “Who will stand up with me for Allah?” The disciples replied, “We will stand up for Allah. We believe in Allah, so bear witness that we have submitted.” -52- ˹They prayed to Allah,˺ “Our Lord! We believe in Your revelations and follow the messenger, so count us among those who bear witness.” -53- And the disbelievers made a plan ˹against Jesus˺, but Allah also planned-and Allah is the best of planners.-54- ˹Remember˺ when Allah said, “O Jesus! I will take you1 and raise you up to Myself. I will deliver you from those who disbelieve, and elevate your followers above the disbelievers until the Day of Judgment. Then to Me you will ˹all˺ return, and I will settle all your disputes. -55- As for those who disbelieve, I will subject them to a severe punishment in this life and the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers. -56- And as for those who believe and do good, they will be rewarded in full. And Allah does not like the wrongdoers.” -57- We recite ˹all˺ this to you ˹O Prophet˺ as one of the signs1 and ˹as˺ a wise reminder. -58- Indeed, the example of Jesus in the sight of Allah is like that of Adam. He created him from dust, then said to him, “Be!” And he was! -59- This is the truth from your Lord, so do not be one of those who doubt. -60- }} Al-Imaran Al-Quran Al-Kareem
I'm back to watch this because Jordan is the only person you ask one question and he speaks for 15 minutes uninterrupted and gets to the point in such an eloquent way.
Sometimes he distracts the topic. Look how straight Hijab is.
If you have a good intellect, you should be able to convey your message and idea in less words and phrases. You can see a lot of the time that Jordan Peterson is just beating around the bush trying to avoid a straight forward answer. This only shows his lack of confidence and belief in his own Ideas.
@@BePostitivenot necessarily. The person he’s debating is closed minded. Normally when you’re debating closed minded ppl it’s either a lost cause or you have to beat around the bush to get your message across. Reason being is that they won’t take the cold hard fact lightly
@@frostymusic9330 it seems that Jordan Peterson is the close minded from this video.
@@frostymusic9330 did you watch Jordan last interview with Elon Musk, he was doing the same thing he is doing in this video.
all of you spoke beautifully.. There is no winner except for those listening.. Thank you all
The US's 'Founding Fathers', already tried this approach of 'attempt to understand the muslim jackals, who kept killing & enslaving non-islamics indiscriminantly & without mercy or for amy apparent sane reason.
They were told that that's how it's written in the q'ran & haddiths, that's how it'll remain.
The result was a ban on muslims withim the US. Infortunately, Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnell, John McCain, Lindsay Graham & 1 or 2 other retards removed yhay law, in the 60's or 70's. That's treason & punishable by death.
muslims are blooded from an early age & are raised to - expected to inflict fear, terror & atrocities upon the infidels via the 7 types of jihad, on every occassion, while being taught to deceive manipulate & destroy everything that wasn't made via allah.
Look up taharoosh/taharuush.
The way muslims achieve their halal food, is the same way the satanist elites get their adrenalin packed blood from tortured children before they're killed.
They both pray to the devil & get along like a house on fire. To understand the reason why they always act like cut snakes, search for video & text on halal, adrenalin, epi-pen & adrenochrome processes.
All are part of the global cabal & must be forced to leave our countries - receive the penalty of death, if they don't comply.
What do you mean "all"? Whatt do you mean "spoke"? What do you mean "beautifully"?
@@lillebror1567 Lmao
The aim of an argument shouldn't be victory, but progress.
@@ahsanha9838 Neither to go into meaningless semantics about what simple words mean. JP thinks he can define what a woman is, but not words like "do", "you" or "believe".
One of my best friends in the world, who died tragically a few months ago at the age of 41 was Muslim. I still cry every time I think of him. We were two opposites, yet…we were brothers. In the truest sense of the meaning.
The debates we had were epic. But at the end of the day. We were brothers and and best friends. I miss that about him. What I would give to have him here to engage is this type of conversation again. This discussion should be cherished as a reminder that friendship and brotherhood transcends geography and faith.
Wow
It's early in the morning. It's too early to shed tears like this, Brother. But I am so sorry. I'm positive he is still keeping an eye on you. Being with you when you need him most. God Bless my friend. Go with the Father.
may Allah grant him the highest level of Jannah, If I may suggest that as an honor to your friend (and brother) you keep searching for the truth and search deep please, no pressure, I feel that a lot of people don't search/read enough, they try and hit the surface and then they delay and ignore till it's too late, sorry my English is not that good, may Allah bless you.
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This conversation could have gone on for 6 hours and still be fascinating.
Yeah totally. They barely scratched the surface.
@@bonleofen Is there a part 2? It cut off halfway
@@zccau2316is there a part 2?
@@waleedaal sadly no. I think there could be some technical issues that couldn't record the last bit.
Man I want more of Jordan and hijab honestly . They have interesting conversations
Civility vs Barbarism dressed in a suit. Inquisitiveness vs False flattery. Depth of soul vs Regurgitation of others.
Well said
He's very spiteful. If you've seen him "debating" rabbi shmuley, as disagreeable as shmuley is, hijab mocked his daughter... Says a lot about him
Barbarism my ass what about the guy that literally said give em hell
Funny how you turn a blind eye to those you like
@@tom2443 for context refer to what rabbi unholy shmuley says to Muslims, if a particular group of muslim is responsible for a catastrophe it doesnt automatically justify inherent radicality of a religion, well thats very obvious unless you're intellectually molested and intellectually subservient. "says alot about him" cmon, dont embarrass yourself, this is a middle highschooler argument . "give em hell" explain that, consider arguing that lol
@@NOTMOBANKS What is wrong with saying "give em hell"? Hamas deserve the hell they themselves created.
Jonathan has reminded me that the meek shall inherit the earth. He (and Jordan) has been a large part of returning to and deepening my Christian faith.
Especially in moments, like when Mohammed implied Jonathan would connect IS*S with the terr*rist organization & Jonathan just smiled. 👍
I understand where Mohammed came from, but Jonathan isn’t “that” guy Mohammed thinks Jonathan is. ❤
*Al Anbiya 21;105*
_Before this We wrote in the Psalms, after the Message (given to Moses): My servants _*_the righteous, shall inherit the earth_*
Jonathan appears to have such a gentle soul. I loved that he was quiet and listened. It made the times when he did speak very profound.
Which is surprising that most Christian’s believe they go to heaven? Yet Jesus clearly states the earth..,
The good humor in this video keeps it wholesome and almost fun. The restraint to not be offended from all of these men is very impressive.
I agree! The decision not to take anything personally and speak for a higher purpose means that petty things are moved past quickly and actually are taken in good humour. Good point!
onereason d o t org
There is nothing to get upset about unless you can’t think critically enough to understand why someone may think a certain way,even if you think the opposite!!Its not necessarily that you agree,but you can see where they are coming from ,and then you just agree to disagree!!That in itself can move us forward and come to a common ground,if you are mad,you don’t grasp,you don’t accept and you go into your respective corners and the problem never gets solved!!!
*The ETERNAL GOD would do anything for you!!*
Even out of love for you he went to the cross as a human!!
Philippians 2:5-8
Let's also appreciate this conversation would probably be illegal to have or broadcast in quite a few Muslim countries.
The Viktor Frankl book that Mohammed Hijab is referencing is called “Man’s search for Meaning”, and it’s one of the most important books I’ve read. Highly recommend it.
I will second this, incredible book
Third
Fourth! Changed the manner in which I view life.
Dr Peterson mentioned this book few years ago, certainly one of the best books he's recommending
@@tadija007 He did, this motivated me to read it. I'm sure it's listed on his website too, alongside many other superb books.
"The Purpose is to be united with God"
That's Powerful.
Through the right path! Not discussed is it???
Only through Christ is that possible
@@monicacosby4605 No surprises there
What a wonderful discussion. I am Roman Catholic and I have many friends who are Muslim. We have been having similar conversations recently. These types of conversations are essential !!
@@alexanderspear9464 I'ts so hard for me to grasp the level of your ignorance and others like you.
@@alexanderspear9464 That’s a bold statement 😂 I’m not Christian but feel the need to say ‘Jesus’ to that
@@alexanderspear9464 exactly. No idea why people insist it's a religion capable of coinciding.
I know that there are peaceful Muslims out there. What I find very disconcerting though are these Commandments from the Quran: Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)." Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush …" How can such a commandment be tolerated by anyone?
@@cyanidecapsule6275 Read Nicki’s comment.
It’s sad how little we heard from Jonathan Pageau… I feel like his insight would’ve helped this conversation a lot!
Hijab doesn’t want to hear his point of view, probably didn’t help himself with the early accusations although warranted.
To be honest with you he seemed more interested in listening rather than talking, dude was enjoying it. At least this is what it looked like to me.
@@samuelneill8628 maybe, but really?
@@emadibrahim7875 sorry I don’t understand what you’re asking
@@samuelneill8628 He’s asking of how more could your stupidity peak?
“What do you mean by do… I’m more interested in what you do” man thinks of word choice in impossible ways. Loved this discussion, thank you to everybody who helped up it together
The way Jordan Peterson looks Jonathan pageau when he speaks make me more fascinated towards Peterson thought and the way he contradicts and accept the things also stucks on my mind.
Been a beneficiary of Dr Peterson’s work for years, but I feel like sometimes he overcomplicates things unnecessarily for himself. Of course there are nuances and levels of meaning that are worth investigating in intellectual topics, but there are also many things in the world and about ourselves that can and should be and indeed are very simple. A Chinese idiom states “大道至简”, “the highest truth is the simplest”. I don’t think it’s beneficial to always jump to the symbolism of things without carefully but also simply looking at their perceptible reality. Perhaps he can attempt to give some simple answers to the simple questions that Mohamed hijab asked, such as “where are we from?”, “where are we going?”, “what’s the purpose of life”, etc. And if he doesn’t have readily available answers, perhaps it wouldn’t harm to look at some simple answers already existing, and looking at them with a humble and curious mind. Might be interesting what he will find.
The Doctor is just a man with degrees that has major illusions of grandeur. Craves the adulation. He is no smarter than you. Do not give these kind of folks your power. Question, think for yourself. Just the start of another cult. He scares the crap out of me.
those are not simple questions though. For someone who follows God it is because we are given the answer. if you are not a Christian, Muslim or Jew... there is no defined meaning of life.
I imagine that you are someone who was raised in a faith. For Jordan Peterson he is from an athiest household. It's not nuanced at all and his faith is greater than someone who has known God his whole life.
I second McLellan's comment about those questions not being simple. In fact, those are some of the deepest existential questions that can be asked. It's far from clear what our purpose in life is. Do we address that question at the level of the individual or broadly at the level of humanity as a whole? Is the answer different depending on the level of analysis? If so, is it radically different or only somewhat different? Etc., etc. As far as I can tell, the only truth that is at least initially simple is the affirmation that truth exists. Beyond that, the complications are legion.
@@merquiadesmclellan2800 JP does not believe in god. If he did, he wouldn't keep dodging the question. The most he's said is that God might exist. Making him essentially agnostic. Therefore, his faith is nonexistent.
If you want to take the lessons from religion and turn them into secular life advice, just say that. End of story.
@@arttusuonsivu8492 I didn't say he believed on God. I'm not sure what you read. I said that people that do believe in God have an answer for questions like "what is the eating of life". JP asks these questions because he is not of a faith.
Also, if you watch his most recent videos and podcasts I'd say he believes I God.
5:08 Tolerance presumes I know what I’m doing.
7:15 We’re gonna stumble into each other.
14:59 Colonialism
16:22 The Evil Uncle motif
• Willful Blindness
• “All of us walk on blood soaked ground.”
Conquistadores
19:44 One soul should not bear the consequences of another’s actions.
23:43 Masked Men
Me the Individual
And The Religion
27:02 The Moral Foreigner
30:45 Higher Unity
33:07 Thrown Into Life
34:50 We Reject Original Sin
38:44 Music, layers of harmony
49:55 Positive
52:59 Human & Divine Nature
54:48 Christ is contentious
Diologos - diolouge
58:06
1. Jesus Christ Existed/Did Not exist
2. Christ Raised The Dead/Did Not
1:02:25 A Perpetual Story, Eternal Battle of Spirit
1:04:04 What do you mean by “Did it happen?”
1:05:30 _”Its really hard to believe that you’re disagreeable.”_
1:08:36 Problem: Multiplicity of Perception
1:12:23 Why this story not that story?
1:15:07 Bravery
1:16:40 Why do people go to horror movies?
• Lost in the desert
• losing faith
• getting bitter means getting bitten
• very often God does not call off the snakes
• (Look to Hope in the face of Catastrophe?) 1:21:53 bad stuffs gonna come at you, confront and contend with it
Patient and Thankful
1:24:34 Different Spirits in Struggle
Gulag [Stanford Prison]
Genuine Striving
1:27:21 If I could show Reasonable Evidence, would you change your mind?
1:34:33 Honor
How hard do you shine ✨?
Thanks
Thank you.
I love u bro. Such a good job. Keep up the work brotha! ❤
*Who explains to us why the Koran says Christians believe God has a biological son!*
To all Muslims! Son of God means NOT SON! What is called the son of God is the word of God = god himself! Which has nothing to do with a child (son)! Thus, the Son of God is incarnated as the human Jesus and the human Jesus is therefore referred to as a son, which does not mean a son!
Hebr 1,2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, *by whom also he made the worlds;*
as everyone can see the term Son of God refers to the Word of God = god himself! For through that God created the worlds! *what a mistake in the Qur'an!*
The way He expounds a Biblical text, making it real and relevant...is so profound... This guy walks in the gift of Wisdom...
Yes but what is biblical text, like really you have to define text, text can mean a lot of things to many different people, don't get me started on biblical.
@@CERBERUS300ify 😂this is a statement that Mr. Peterson would actually ask!!
@@Tepkeny cause he's a waste of time to gain clicks for cash. That's about it. Nothing profound comes out of his mouth ever.
@@CERBERUS300ify who hurt you?
I have benefited a lot from his lectures, am sorry Ryan, look elsewhere for someone who may wiggle something that you'll find worth your time...
@@Tepkeny lol
Jordan Peterson’s answer to whether he will convert to Islam if there is evidence that it is true was epic: No. Because that’s not how I evaluate the situation….. the proof of faith is the attractiveness of its adherence. Are you a shining example of the Muslim faith? How hard do you shine?……. That is the very big problem. No shine. No conversion. Our belief or our faith can be seen by the fruit by the action. As Jesus said: by the fruit you will know the tree. And Peterson just crushed Hijab. 🔥
Why u take everything like war dear
Relax
If you shine the way you claim and follow the faith as it is, billions wouldn't have left the faith. You don't pay attention to.your reality, you live in your head.
Crushed? You really think this Christianity vs islam?
You think like a literal 8 year old child
Am a Kenyan, I always listen to your discussions everyday am learning so much be blessed
Who asked whether ur Kenyan or not
@@zak4097 are you racist?
@@persapientiam3818 Yes I’m a proud racist
✝️♥️💯
My take away on this video is when Jordan tells us that by volunteering to confront our fears even if we're not calm it changes us to become braver around other things that cause us fear and not manifest that fear elsewhere. Thank you for this takeaway.
This dude switched and supports Hamas later lol 😂it was all a fucken joke
@@JNAMOTORSPORTS are you sure you posted this reply in the right place? Very out of context
He goes deep into that in his book 12 rules for life. Good read
@@JNAMOTORSPORTS he supports his new massive paycheck.
This is what happens when you have a difference of opinion, get heated, STAY in the room and LISTEN to the others WHY. Loved this.
I'd argue that it wasn't even really "heated." They all seemed to enjoy the discourse
What to study as well as Online Resources as new Muslims or even old ones
Quran itself and the Sunnah. Old Scholars near that time
1. Sapiance Institute
2. Dr Zakir Naik lectures
3. IslamHouse
4. Ahmed Deedat
5. Islamqa info
6. Masjid Ribat channel by sheikh Uthman ibn Farooq
7. Blogging Theology
8. Smile2Jannah
9. MuslimSkeptic
10. Farid speaks gives good book recommendations
11. Check local mosques they sometimes have awesome books
12. Google islamic books and bookstores and get book recs by farid speaks. Conquest of the Sahaba by Al Imam Al waqidi is one
Singular great videos
1. Hamza Tzortis vs Lawerence Krauss (4 million)
2. AustiN School, *"How Islam Saved the West",* *"Khalid Ibn walid profile of a Warrior"* (1.1 million)
3. Muslim, christian, jew a conversation (7 million views)
4. Mehdi Hassan, Islam is Peace (9.9 million views)
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The 2 main differences between Christianity:
1) -Yeshua claimed to be (and in fact, is) God.
-Mohammed's brother declared him to be a prophet.
2) -Yeshua instructed His followers to spread the gospel by simply telling everyone, not by force.
- Mohammed set the example for his followers by leading them in rampages across Arabia, killing some and making slaves of others who refused to convert.
@@kimberlypearce3732 ^ *forgets colonialism, nazis, kkk, crusaders, americans and russian nazis in the Muslim lands genocidin*
Also atheists *Uyghur genocide, stalin, and Mao, Nanking*
*Who explains to us why the Koran says Christians believe God has a biological son!*
To all Muslims! Son of God means NOT SON! What is called the son of God is the word of God = god himself! Which has nothing to do with a child (son)! Thus, the Son of God is incarnated as the human Jesus and the human Jesus is therefore referred to as a son, which does not mean a son!
1:32:00 - Correct me if I am wrong. It is said that the Holy Quoran were written by several of Muhammad's companions, right? And we know about the analytic mind of people living in the desert. Didn't they developed algebra which helped humanity to be enlightened in a manner of developing critical thinking? Even the alphabet I believe is derived from them? My point is that the people involved in the foundation of Islam, and not just them, but everyone living in the region, probably due to being Nomads and due to the emptiness of the desert, their minds evolved much faster and higher than most of the population around the world. Remember Einstein, right? He had rationally made use of his mind by ushering experiments in his mind. Imagining and theorizing the whys and hows of the events and natural circumtances surrounding him. And how's that developed in him? I would say, definitely because of his character of being a loner.
When people are alone whether by choice or by nature, along the path many of us developed an altruistic point of view in our subconscious collectively created by our experiences, our consciousness, our upbringing and our social nature as a defensive way of not succumbing to lunacy. And the desert people surviving in isolation since after the last ice age bore these gifts of rationalinality, analytic minds and continous flow of hope that like a heart beats its highs and lows, beginning and end on a minute by minute basis.
That's why just like what you said, the "predictions" in the Quoran that you mentioned of actually did took place. Those events were predicted by highly analytics and rational companions of Muhammad. And those events are also highly analyzable and predictable due to tangible and available data. The heck! Stock Brokers, Economists and Analysts of our current generation can predict what might be the state of our world tomorrow, next week, a month or even after a century.
The difference of a prophesy to a prediction is its ambiguity. Because it should cater to the greater populace and transcend past each of their intrinsic cultural and moral values as it dance its way towards the message and unifying revelation.
You are smarter than MH, should be you in the chair
when Quran was revealed to Muhammed (PBUH) bits by bit from God through Gabriel, he would recite in front of companions and they would memorize it or some who had means would note it down. After demise of Muhammed (PBUH) during the reign of Calpih Abu Bakr Battle of Yamamah took place in which approximately 70 disciples were martayred and they were memorisers of Quran, it brought concerned to the calpih so he ordered to collect the verses and write it down in a single book, with every verse 2 witnesses were provided to approve it.
So the predictions were directly from Muhammed PBUH (which were obviously told by GOD) and these predictions are not just one or two rather they were numerous. Astrologers held prestige in an Arabian Peninsula, so they (astrologer) definitely knew that the predictions weren't coming from an astrologer..... Just like in the times of Moses sorcery was common but sorcerers knew the miracle of Moses wasn't a sorcery!
As for saying 'the events were highly predictable' so was it common to predict "Arab competing of skyscrappers" in 6th century, i mean it wasn't even possible to predict this in 16s or 17s
@chitchat5195 you speak in terms of facts, but you are merely reciting a conceptualised version of what was said. When you speak in hypothesis, or a literary review, I will read this - until then, stop
As a christain I have made respect for all 3 of you. This was a FASCINATING discussion such professional people politely disagreeing and having the most intelectual discussions. BRAVO
What do you think of the Muslim world wiew? Will they see heaven?
I'm sorry you don't know Mr Hijab.
Your not
The fact that they are delusional seems to not face you at all.
He is the quintessential Islamist. You saw him challenging "Hindutva fascists" in the backdrop of the organised Islamist attacks on Hindus in Leicester and Birmingham by mobs summoned from other places. Islamists have always followed a familiar pattern of violent attacks followed by vituperation and victimhood claims. This is standard practice for them in any context where they are not hopelessly outnumbered. Like the British Establishment and media, you can feign that all are equally responsible or even blame the victims. The problem doesn't go away and the ideology only hardens in the fullness of time.
Much appreciate for this conversation. This is what can unite all of us. Not debates. Only conversation. Only finding similarity in our religion. Thank you, Dr. Peterson!
So much of my time I spend feeling so lost and confused by the world that I live in. Jordan Peterson is one of the only people who has ever brought any true relief to that feeling.
Feels good knowing you’re not alone huh 👊 right here with ya
Spend some time watching Jonathan Pageau explain a Symbolic perspective of the Christian story. You will find that the Christian story is a way to explain the patterns of how our reality manifest... in other words, a way to talk about and get closer to an understanding of consciousness of the Logos. That brings in Plato and the Church Fathers.....a journey for sure.
Grab a copy of Autobiography of a Yogi by Paramahansa Yogananda, that will give you a healthy dose of inspiration! X
Same here.
It may be somewhat of an understatement to say that he is good at his job. But for all that, he is just a man, and if meaning is your struggle, Christ promises that if you come to the door and knock he will answer - for you too.
You do have to knock though.
This is what the world needs. I appreciate Dr. Jordan Peterson, Jonathan and Mohammed Hijab sitting at the same table and having a Real Talk, to an extent in which they have talked in this video. We need more of this! Not only from these fine souls, that are in search and pursuit of remedy, but from many others.. on all levels. This is the way forward. Bless to all
Ah yes, mohammad Hijab is most certainly a "fine soul".
You don't know much about him, do you?
@@magnumopus1628 you think both are perfect human beings. Dont gas light
@@commandar88 Hijab isn’t honest. He bashes the west constantly but lives in the west? He’s a hypocrite.
He’s a smoother moslem liar only . . .
@@commandar88 it's not about being perfect. This Hijab guy is open about his views about Pete do phelia and is very honest about apostates being killed. He apologizes for none of it, for which I am thankful for his honesty. Much better a snake wears it's own skin than coat itself with the wool of a sheep.
Holy moly. My heart jolted at several instances but boy, this was an exhilarating experience. Thank you Jordan and Hijab !
“We bare the responsibility of the past, but the responsibility is to learn from it.”
Love it 😍😍😍
But problem is people who believe in this can't never be rulers or leaders. Wish our leaders believed this phrase more than their religions or whatever. If humanity is so wise to learn from past.
Absolutely
The past has shaped the present and future for a lot of countries that have been colonized.
The best argument against this pipe dream is a five minute conversation with the average person. I personally do not bear the responsibility of anything anyone else has done, is doing, or will ever do. I am responsible only for what I am doing now. The past doesn't exist. I have learned from my "mistakes". I am still alive and well. Many/most people are simply not bright enough (call it the required level of consciousness to be able to) to learn from their mistakes, yet, somehow, they are also "alive and well". Study the past 10,000 years of human history. Don't you think that if the human species was intelligent/wise enough to learn from its mistakes, it would have done so by now? No, that said, we all die. Therefore, this world with everything in it, including humans, is only temporary and is, therefore, only just an illusion. Only the permanent is real. So it really doesn't matter what you do or say within this "playground" we wrongly call reality. Life is about experience. And if we learn from our experiences along the way, great. If not, great. Either way, life persists.
Another great statement. I also loved how Peterson defined what isn’t understood is less interesting.
One of my favorite qualities of Dr Peterson is his sincere conviction that "the ultimate victory is peace", as he said during the channel 4 "discussion".
Well everyone knows that just most people are hypocrites
I've been an athiest all 32 years of my life, more attracted to science and things that I can see or prove. To the point I've debated people in the past about how stupid the idea of a god is.
Recently, I began to find myself being more and more interested in religion. I've no idea why, I just know that I felt a calling to learn more. Now baring in mind that I've been staunchly against the existence of a god, I started to get this strange feeling when I was doing things. The feeling of being watched. The feeling of being judged on my actions. As crazy as this sounds in words, I began to think to myself "he's watching. I shouldn't be doing this."
I also began to get this feeling of presence. Like no matter what I'm doing there's a presence next to me and I'm apologising for certain things.
If you've lived my life, you'd understand how crazy it sounds to me to be apologising in my head to God. As I walk, as I work, no matter what I'm doing it's all I'm thinking about. Apologising for all the people I've hurt in my life and hoping I'm forgiven.
Even as I sit typing right now, I can feel a presence watching over me and it's almost to the level I feel like I'm typing this to spread the word. To open up someone else's eyes.
I also started reading the bible not too long ago, and again, if you knew the life I was from you'd understand how crazy it is to even have a bible, it really was a huge step. Every single person in my life is completely non religious and would laugh if they seen my bible. I've had recent conversations where workmates have laughed off the idea of a god, they think the idea is something to mock religious people over. I didn't defend it. I didn't tell them i was religious. I didn't challenge them and I've found myself feeling riddled with guilt that I never.
One of the arguments was "I grew out of religion when I was about 12 when i realised Santa wasn't real either."
Unfortunately, I don't have the wisdom, or the information to defend or debate it right now, but I will have, eventually.
Full disclosure, I still don't fully know if I'm Christian, I still have doubts, I'm still very much unsure what this journey is. But hopefully it starts to become clearer and clearer over the next few years.
If if you've made it this far, thank you! I really appreciate your time🙂
why dont u try looking into islam
@@birdybilal6780because Jesus is the best God to look up onto, and has actually historical evidence.
Islam believe in hearsay what 1 man said.
Pray the sinners prayer by inviting Jesus into your heart, confess your sins to him and ask him to come into your heart save your by the blood of Jesus. And you are save . Ask God to show Himself to you.
Very similar life experience… there is a tremendous value in the teachings of Jesus and Christianity. Recently joined the Catholic Church… I have a duality in my mind, that it all could be made up and it could all be literally real… the fact I show up and opened myself to Christianity has been very rewarding still. Islam, however, after spending countless hours, days, weeks into learning about it… “Islam dies without lies” and we have to stop being polite about this dangerous perversion of Christianity and Judaism.
where are you at now on this journey?
Well done, J Pageau for truly addressing the ' elephant in the room '... Inciting violence is wrong on all levels. You cannot pretend to be a true believer in your faith...Whichever that may be, when you are constantly showing yourself to be one sided and aggressive in your nature. May god bless us all. 🙏
he addressed that accusation, be sincere.
@@masana_ he was called out
He have no evidence tho, he said something entirely different than what I found
Like i just told my son today ,"Always be willing to hear both sides of an argument and never let the conversation break down . As a society, we really do depend on each other, and it's taken centuries to get here !" ❤😊
I’m glad people instill this in themselves and their families. It’s quite beautiful in a world of chaos. I do have to note though that conversation does tend to break down still but there’s absolutely still hope.
Wish you two the best in life ❤
That is the very skill that has disappeared from universities: debate, discussion, apologetics, conversation. The whole reason for the existence of universities and town halls- inquiry, examination, development of new and better ways to conduct modes and methods of exploration- has been dispensed with only to have been replaced with myopic and soul-crushing oppression and ideological dogma. RUclips is the new university, and it, too, is slowly being eroded.
i agree 💯
actually conversations like these and inter-faith debates used to happen in the Islamic golden age.
Can you please meet and have these kind of coversations consistently, and have a topic to discussion each time? Because we need more of these conversations.
He has a lot of these conversations.
Yes, we need everyone to participate though. Because we live in democratic seystems
Yes. Without Jonathon. The man just stayed silent and refused to engage the whole time, especially when Hijab gave objective and rational criticism to Christian doctrines. Pathetic. Why was he invited? Lmao. Invite someone else.
I don’t see that philosophy most of the time and philosophy is waist of time and this is the real problem with Dr. Peterson he is good in his psychology knowledge but regarding religion he is kind of lost cause religion must be combined with reasoning and facts and evidences in addition to spiritual faith
There are 109 verses bringing wrath and death to unbelievers in the Koran. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.
I remember about 25 years ago on sundays nights Dennis Prager had a local show in Los Angeles called Religion on the Line and weekly he had a rabbi, pastor, catholic priest, Hindu and an Iman discussing the issues of the day. There was no screaming, no grandstanding, no speeches but a beautiful civilized discussion on issues of the day. Such a beautiful time when people knew what civil discussions meant.
What no imam ? Prager is a bigot whose primary loyalty is to Is real
@@proudatheist2042 I guess because people don't have the patience to watch anything longer than 2mins 🥲
00:01 Creating a world of abundance and peace
02:39 Introducing Jonathan Pageau and Mohammed Hijab
07:01 Encouraging dialogue and understanding between people of different faiths.
09:12 Common emphasis on ultimate unity in religion
13:17 Carzing is changing online car shopping.
15:12 Discussion on historical events causing resentment
19:05 Discussion on responsibility for past actions and original sin
20:47 Critique of the notion that the West's ideology can solve all problems.
24:04 Discussion on having difficult conversations with influential Western public figures
25:43 Navigating differences and finding common ground is essential for meaningful communication.
29:07 The need for unity and addressing societal challenges.
31:11 Challenges of being properly humble before the Divine.
34:19 We came from a higher power and are going back to it
35:57 Purpose drives everything
39:34 Social integration is crucial for calmness and focus.
41:22 Muslims and Christians coexist peacefully in certain regions.
44:48 Discussion on truth and pragmatism
46:30 Striving towards a higher Unity and acting as if it's true.
50:25 Jonathan Pageau's evolution of beliefs from a young age
52:05 The concept of Trinity is considered unintelligible.
55:45 Dialogue embodies the spirit of Mutual Enlightenment
57:39 Both Muslims and Christians believe in Jesus Christ as the Messiah and a great prophet.
1:00:52 The central doctrines of Christianity are viewed differently by various Christian groups.
1:02:31 The profound truth in stories transcends historical reality.
1:06:20 Postmodernists delve into the mystery of textual interpretation and perception.
1:08:22 Delving into questions deeply reveals the problems of perception.
1:12:03 The importance of the Biblical narrative over other religious myths.
1:13:56 Confronting fears leads to expansion of personality and bravery.
1:17:42 The passion story is a combination of all tragic stories
1:19:36 Christ's figure being lifted up like the serpent in the desert as a strange reference
1:23:33 Attitude towards adversity shapes response
1:25:43 Genuine religious faith's impact in survival and ethical action in the face of oppression
1:29:23 Muslim beliefs on Jesus, prophets, and Quran
1:31:09 The Quran contains specific prophecies about the future.
1:34:54 Mutual respect and admiration between different religious groups
Listening to JP’s conversations is fast becoming my favourite part of preparing dinner. Respectful dialogue is really relaxing. Much gratitude for this.
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The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "He whose last words are: `La ilaha illallah' (There is no true god except Allah) will enter Paradise.''
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Same here - I listen when washing up or cooking/menial tasks
MUHAMMAD WAS A LYING FALSE PROPHET.
JESUS IS KING
I absolutely adore Dr. Jordan Peterson. He just doesn't speak to be heard he feels his words very deeply and I think we need more men like him
I agree 🤗
What do u mean by "speak"?
What do u mean by "heard"?
What do u mean by "feels"?
@@burakcoskun38
what do you mean by "what"?
what do you mean by "do"?
what do you mean by "you"?
what do you mean by "mean"?
what do you mean by "by"?
@@shidoku7012 😂
I am a Christian who was raised Southern Baptist but now I am non-denominational.
I've always had questions about faith and religion and how it correlates to mine or how it doesn't but here's where I'm stumped:
In our Christian faith we are taught to honor our Mother & Father & so therefore in a lot of Christian households, we are taught about the Bible.
So how can we look at other religions as being "wrong" whenever they likely had a similar way of adopting religion (through family)?
I have met so many wonderful people from all different religions & it's incredibly hard to condemn someone for their religious beliefs because we can't even collectively define religion itself. Just to reiterate, I believe the Gospel but I would like someone from the Christian faith to explain to me how someone who was born Muslim and died Muslim who never knew Jesus will not be entering the Kingdom of Heaven???
Any thoughts on this would be welcomed.
Can we just appreciate how Mr Peterson pulled back the conversation and said, I don't want to talk about "x" I would rather talk about "y" and how from then on the quality of the conversation just improved significantly. What a great video. Love listening to all of your thoughts and concepts. What an incredible mind. I admire your precision of speech and depth of thought. What an incredible discussion. So glad I could listen to his
One of the ultimate explanations of conception of what god is “waiting” from you.
As a Christian I found this absolutely fascinating. Thank you for this conversation!
I'm curious to hear what aspects of this conversation fascinated you, please?
Me too, please.
I can respond if you like. I suppose you could call me a Christian as I try to follow the words of Jesus and the bible, search for a closer relationship with God, and go to church meetings. The consistent “evidence” supporting my own belief in what (and who) I consider to be the way and truth has been the vast array of modern psychological, sociological and psychoanalytical findings that seem to fall perfectly in place with what God communicates to us in the bible, especially in Jesus’ teachings. Peterson points out quite a few more consistencies in this discussion, which I found fascinating. On top of that, I love his articulation of the idea that looking at stories in the bible as literal, historical, somewhat ephemeral incidences are in a way downplaying their eternal significance, because they were true then, they are now, and they will be in the future.
On top of that, I also loved hearing from Mohammed about the consistencies with modern life which his holy book have described. On the darker side, I do believe his fervent (and no doubt religiously dutiful) attempts to convince the other two of the higher value or more rightful place of his own religion was kind of missing the point of where this conversation was intended to go. I hoped the core similarities and differences would be discussed in order to reach a further understanding of how we can coexist without conflict, but as Mohammed had suggested a few times, unity is not his main goal.
What did you guys like/dislike?
We need a pt. 2 of this discussion soon!
Imagine a world where our political leaders had conversations like this. Thank you JPB, Pageu, and Mohamad
Kill the clowns 🤡 and replace them with logic
Imagine if they were our politicians.
@@robbiewhite8383 imagine if politicians weren’t all talking out of their ass..
@@robbiewhite8383 Jesus, no thx. this idiot Muhammad would oppose sharia.. and we will end up like in iran.
No thx.
*Muhammad
Mohammed Hijab bringing in the views!!! Great guest
Literally the worst guest. I’m surprised he was tame here. He is absolutely belligerent talking to anyone else.
@@alternativetext5262womp womp I think differently clearly
Dr. Peterson always gets views.
Damn, unfortunate that video cuts off at the end. For shame that daily wire didn't include the last part of this interview on their website. That was an important line Peterson was on.
Yes, I feel the same. Commented so before I saw yours.
Yupyup! Caught me off guard. Maybe it didn't conclude super well haha
Please do this much more often. The world needs it.
We need more conversations with Jonathan and Islam.
In the name of Allah the most gracious the most merciful
Allah Glory to him said:
Indeed, Allah chose Adam, Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of Imrân [father of Mary] above all people. -33- They are descendants of one another. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing. -34- ˹Remember˺ when the wife of ’Imrân said, “My Lord! I dedicate what is in my womb entirely to Your service,1 so accept it from me. You ˹alone˺ are truly the All-Hearing, All-Knowing.” -35-When she delivered, she said, “My Lord! I have given birth to a girl,”-and Allah fully knew what she had delivered-“and the male is not like the female. I have named her Mary, and I seek Your protection for her and her offspring from Satan, the accursed.”-36- So her Lord accepted her graciously and blessed her with a pleasant upbringing-entrusting her to the care of Zachariah. Whenever Zachariah visited her in the sanctuary, he found her supplied with provisions. He exclaimed, “O Mary! Where did this come from?” She replied, “It is from Allah. Surely Allah provides for whoever He wills without limit.”-37- Then and there Zachariah prayed to his Lord, saying, “My Lord! Grant me-by your grace-righteous offspring. You are certainly the Hearer of ˹all˺ prayers.”-38- So the angels called out to him while he stood praying in the sanctuary, “Allah gives you good news of ˹the birth of˺ John who will confirm the Word of Allah and will be a great leader, chaste, and a prophet among the righteous.”-39- Zachariah exclaimed, “My Lord! How can I have a son when I am very old and my wife is barren?” He replied, “So will it be. Allah does what He wills.” -40- Zachariah said, “My Lord! Grant me a sign.” He said, “Your sign is that you will not ˹be able to˺ speak to people for three days except through gestures. Remember your Lord often and glorify ˹Him˺ morning and evening.”-41- And ˹remember˺ when the angels said, “O Mary! Surely Allah has selected you, purified you, and chosen you over all women of the world. -42- O Mary! Be devout to your Lord, prostrate yourself ˹in prayer˺ and bow along with those who bow down.”-43- This is news of the unseen that We reveal to you ˹O Prophet˺. You were not with them when they cast lots to decide who would be Mary’s guardian, nor were you there when they argued ˹about it˺.-44- ˹Remember˺ when the angels proclaimed, “O Mary! Allah gives you good news of a Word1 from Him, his name will be the Messiah,2 Jesus, son of Mary; honoured in this world and the Hereafter, and he will be one of those nearest ˹to Allah˺.-45- And he will speak to people in ˹his˺ infancy and adulthood and will be one of the righteous.” -46- Mary wondered, “My Lord! How can I have a child when no man has ever touched me?” An angel replied, “So will it be. Allah creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He simply tells it, ‘Be!’ And it is! -47- And Allah will teach him writing and wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel,-48- and ˹make him˺ a messenger to the Children of Israel ˹to proclaim,˺ ‘I have come to you with a sign from your Lord: I will make for you a bird from clay, breathe into it, and it will become a ˹real˺ bird-by Allah’s Will. I will heal the blind and the leper and raise the dead to life-by Allah’s Will. And I will prophesize what you eat and store in your houses. Surely in this is a sign for you if you ˹truly˺ believe. -49- And I will confirm the Torah revealed before me and legalize some of what had been forbidden to you. I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so be mindful of Allah and obey me. -50- Surely Allah is my Lord and your Lord. So worship Him ˹alone˺. This is the Straight Path.’” -51- When Jesus sensed disbelief from his people, he asked, “Who will stand up with me for Allah?” The disciples replied, “We will stand up for Allah. We believe in Allah, so bear witness that we have submitted.” -52- ˹They prayed to Allah,˺ “Our Lord! We believe in Your revelations and follow the messenger, so count us among those who bear witness.” -53- And the disbelievers made a plan ˹against Jesus˺, but Allah also planned-and Allah is the best of planners.-54- ˹Remember˺ when Allah said, “O Jesus! I will take you1 and raise you up to Myself. I will deliver you from those who disbelieve, and elevate your followers above the disbelievers until the Day of Judgment. Then to Me you will ˹all˺ return, and I will settle all your disputes. -55- As for those who disbelieve, I will subject them to a severe punishment in this life and the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers. -56- And as for those who believe and do good, they will be rewarded in full. And Allah does not like the wrongdoers.” -57- We recite ˹all˺ this to you ˹O Prophet˺ as one of the signs1 and ˹as˺ a wise reminder. -58- Indeed, the example of Jesus in the sight of Allah is like that of Adam. He created him from dust, then said to him, “Be!” And he was! -59- This is the truth from your Lord, so do not be one of those who doubt. -60- }} Al-Imaran Al-Quran Al-Kareem
0:00: 🗣 The speaker discusses the importance of initiating dialogue and understanding between people of different religious faiths, emphasizing the need to focus on commonalities rather than differences.
10:36: 🗣 The speaker discusses the importance of engaging in difficult discussions and exploring different perspectives in order to find common ground and address historical atrocities.
20:04: 🗣 The speaker discusses the complex issue of responsibility for colonial past and offers an alternative perspective to the notion that the ideology of the West can fix all problems.
28:51: ✨ The speaker discusses the purpose of life and the importance of unity and humility in faith.
36:37: 🎶 The discussion explores the role of worship, ritual, and music in fostering unity and integration within communities, highlighting the importance of celebrating and praising a higher power.
46:05: 📚 The discussion revolves around the concept of truth, unity, and the compatibility of Christianity and scientific narratives.
55:26: 📚 The speaker discusses the centrality of the figure of Christ in different religious traditions and the significance of symbolic interpretation in Christianity.
1:04:21: 🤔 The speaker discusses the complexities of belief, perception, and interpretation in relation to questions about God and texts.
1:13:05: 💡 The speaker discusses the psychological perspective on why people are drawn to the crucifixion story and the concept of confronting tragedy and hell in life.
1:23:05: 📚 Discussion on the power of belief, unity, and the evidence for Prophet Muhammad's prophethood.
1:32:40: 📚 The speaker discusses various prophecies and beliefs related to Islam and evaluates the concept of proof in faith.
Recap by Tammy AI
Thank you so much for this🙌❤️💯💯
You have done so well.
I need to book a class with u to learn how to paraphrase perfectly. U are awesome 👍
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Thank you for this practical information! :-)
Spectacular 😮
The discussion between Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Mohammed Hijab was not a “pro-contra battle” between Christianity and Islam, but an attempt to explore deeper questions about human existence, morality, and truth. Both participants demonstrated that genuine conversations do not have to be confrontational but can be rooted in respect, openness, and a shared pursuit of wisdom.
Reducing this dialogue to a simplistic conflict misses its essence: it was about building bridges between cultures and religions and addressing the universal challenges of faith, responsibility, and ethics. Such discussions should not be used to declare winners or losers but to challenge and enrich our own understanding of the world.
Seeing these kind of discussions this day and age is like a breath of fresh air.
We captured excellent women for ransom. We decided to have sex with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). We asked Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.
Sahih Muslim 1438a
What in that world is this? @takiyaazrin. You have created a lie. Be very ashamed.
I would be perfectly fine seeing these discussions extended or added to in the future. We have more in common than we don't. Educational.
The US's 'Founding Fathers', already tried this approach of 'attempt to understand the muslim jackals, who kept killing & enslaving non-islamics indiscriminantly & without mercy or for amy apparent sane reason.
They were told that that's how it's written in the q'ran & haddiths, that's how it'll remain.
The result was a ban on muslims withim the US. Infortunately, Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnell, John McCain, Lindsay Graham & 1 or 2 other retards removed yhay law, in the 60's or 70's. That's treason & punishable by death.
muslims are blooded from an early age & are raised to - expected to inflict fear, terror & atrocities upon the infidels via the 7 types of jihad, on every occassion, while being taught to deceive manipulate & destroy everything that wasn't made via allah.
Look up taharoosh/taharuush.
The way muslims achieve their halal food, is the same way the satanist elites get their adrenalin packed blood from tortured children before they're killed.
They both pray to the devil & get along like a house on fire. To understand the reason why they always act like cut snakes, search for video & text on halal, adrenalin, epi-pen & adrenochrome processes.
All are part of the global cabal & must be forced to leave our countries - receive the penalty of death, if they don't comply.
I would also love to see more of a conversation, discussion, in detail and dissected , of the common grounds.
Thank you Jonathan Pageau for being there.
Yeah, thank you. Next time don't be so shy. 😁
@@xaviervelascosuarez I don't blame Jonathan for being freaked out by this.
@@shhh3185 Me neither. Hijab comes across as someone that merely wants to convert Jordan.
He punctured Hijab's dull conversion tactics in just the right way. I would have loved to have heard more from him but what little he did say was perfect.
He provided nothing to the discourse
Jordan Peterson,,Canadian government need to appreciate and be proud of this man
This conversation was long needed. These 3 people were probably the best to have the conversation. This also shows the world how different views can sit and have a good time while disagreeing. Thank you
but most of these views cant be expressed in certain parts of "the world"...
@@elingrome5853 Those parts of "the world" have expressed these views had these conversations and conducted debates/discussions when royalties in Europe couldn't read their own names
@@islamicsensei These discussions will always happen as long as different religions exist. These conversations are rare and it being streamed for the public makes it even more rare. It's amazing and hopefully more conversations like this will take place for the public.
The point is that we often start the discussion badly.
Patience. ❤
I hope we get many more discussions like this; and that Jordan won’t be the only social glue that will hold together the disagreeable Jonathan & disagreeable Mohammed 👍
Hijab is not well equipped at all...only two people were here to understand and the other was only geared to convert. It will be quite some time before Mojab gets it.
But in Mojab's lack of sincere engagement, we at least understand that Fundamental Muslims will oft express no particular position in understanding/appreciating the other...only to correct/bring the other into order..This is telling, leaving us with the question...will fundamental Islam ever have the ability to engage in equivalence...?
This blew my mind! What a pleasure and blessing to listen to such clever people!
WHAT Does GOD CALL Them.......# NOT "Clever" !! FOOLS
Listen to the contents of their speech. Not the delivery.
This was absolutely incredible! I just love to see people who have very different worldviews getting along, agreeing to disagree, and having the bravery to get right to the point about things people in the past would have been KILLED over to discuss. I shared a tear with Peterson at the end as well.
from a native arabic speaker live in a muslim country, i am telling you muslims play peace when they are minority but if they became majority (only violence) is their act.
Drop ur discord I’ll debate you, being a native Arabic speaker but with a non Muslim background im used to ur ploys
Like in which country they do this?
@@lero_ Syria,Iraq,Bangladesh, Pakistan…etc
@@KingArthur..u know who made this war dear 😇
@@RuwaydaMubarak i know…muslims did like their prophet
This should be a tutorial video on how to have a civil productive conversation between different beliefs and opinions.
It was very heart warming to listen to this, a beacon of light in a world of madness.
God bless you all
Which god?
@@JohnSmith-db2wl The God of the Bible. islam is idolatry.
@@jsharp9735 yeahhhh, worshipping useless imaginary sky daddies. Religion poisons everything.
@@JohnSmith-db2wl So where do you think life came from ?
@@jsharp9735 The arbitrary word "life" is just a verbal masturbation for the sake of orientation. Humans are temporary composed of materials with properties producing the temporary and fuzzy effects of identity. Same as the walls 🧱 are made of bricks. Nothing special. If your question is, where reality comes from? It is , was and always will be..
I am a Christian and have visited many Muslim countries I.e Jordan - Palestine- Egypt - Morrocco - Pakistan - Algeria - kula Lumpur- Kuwait and have had many conversations I feel so at home there and most of my best friends are Muslim ' some of us can't speak each other's language 'still very close ' translators/text.
Really loved this video and it's true that we are very similar and get a long good .
Just the media makes it like we are enemies -
Don't take my word for it just travel and you will see for yourself .I have the up most respect for all my brothers ...
We certainly not enemy in humanity, but we Christian are the enemy of demons who create Islam, Sunni and Shia wicked religion.
The only way to the father is through Jesus Christ!
@@RubberTag Ok to you is your religion and to me is mine! That doesn’t mean we can’t respect each other as humans.
@@knightara Unfortunately for an extremely massive amount of the population of both communities you Mentioned There's plenty of reasons. If you actually interpret the word as the word of God and/or It's Allah to be literal in its interpretation then From the Christian perspective all muslims will burn in hell for eternity and all christians need to die as an infidel should
Most people that have the views of what you're saying cherry pick from their religion and believe and don't believe What it is they feel like it's ridiculous how many people that are religious have never actually read through the text and we're just indoctrinated at a young age and told I mean of course If God is all forgiving that even if you do screw up you can always come back so just live your life how you want I mean it's so contradictory and ignorant
I'm almost a below average student, but when i listen to talks like these and watch documentaries, i feel i learn more, more than school offers, not that I'm dismissing the importance of school, but i love when people speak without the media and world pollution involved, it's really really amazing
If you’re interested in talks such as this, it’s obvious that you’re intelligent and curious. “Don’t let your schooling get in the way of your learning.”- said by someone smart. Read more and continue to seek knowledge.
@@omowhanre thank you
If this discussion speaks to you, try looking into Blogging Theology channel. There are bunch of topics of theism and even more specifically in depth on Islam being discussed at length.
peterson is a psuedo-intellect by definition. You'd get alot more listening to an actual intellect instead of these two.
You're not dismissing the importance of education, by pointing out the monotony of indoctrination, and the oppression of free creative thinking, within the modern education system.
This is what is required. Open discussions and talking. Its okay to disagree.
I like how Dr. Peterson comes of out of the gate saying he wants "to start a dialogue stupidly and badly". It's humble and socratic. I don't really know too much, but I am going to attempt to do something, and I am going to do it badly. But let's at least get it started.
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Thank you Jonathan Pageau!! I see Christ in you through your humility of letting others speak first! James 1:19 "Let every person be quick to hear and slow to speak"
Love him❤
Love him❤
@@AC-mp7cx I care when people interrupt during a conversation. Who does NOT care? Conversations should be civil ..and a rule of civil discourse is: Do not interrupt.
@@Featherfinder he needed to interrupt to call MH on his bs
Hence why God gave us 2 ears and one mouth lol
5:06 Dr Jordan: “I’m actually not here to be tolerant” WOW i give him a lot of credit for being brutally honest & sticking to his beliefs, & showing guts!!!
But that was more of a statement saying its not out of tolerance because that would mean he's just putting up with him.
Hes just tolerating this debate.
So I think he explained quite well why he didn't use the word "tolerate"
Why he is not honest with Benjamin Natanjahu ? And not challenging him
He's not there?
How's he going to ask a totally irrelevant question?
Last I checked, he was Israeli?
Peterson is CHRISTIAN!
Hijab is Muslim?
What are you talking about??
It is very easy to refute Islam! Because the God of Islam does not know that according to Christianity God incarnated
True love = the love of God!
*God himself went to the cross for you out of love for you as a human being*
Philippians 2:5-8
@@azerhuseinbegovic1692 about what? Your hatred towards Jews?
As a Christian in Latin America, I appreciate this conversation as it involves my faith and where we may find common ground.
Jonathan Pageau had the patience to listen to all of Hijab sayings against our beliefs is wow... there were thinks that hurt me I would never be able to be quiet. Thanks Jonathan.
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To don't say anything is best way to show that . I think you just need to observe the posture and that's tells you who is who...
Probably because he would be owned in seconds like Peterson was
@@ryojs4286lol what?
@@ryojs4286 Good joke. Islam is a mouth breather religion
Jonathan Pageau is a true spiritual man. It is rare to see patience in action as with him.
I could see him praying for patience and charity. Mohammed Hijab was acting in such bad faith throughout this entire conversation.
@@jeffw7382 mohammed was not acting bad come on his abit rough around the edges but his a good soul trust me he means well its just how he says things sometimes some people are like that but he is genuine and a good guy overall
Jonathan just posted an explanation of this video on his channel explaining exactly why he was the way he was here. Specifically how Mohammad was intent on trying to prove to his buddies that he was trying to convert them, rather than engaging in the original purpose of this dialogue (which was to discuss the title of this video). Recommend you check it out.
@@sararae5994 r u living in a turtle shell? Have you seen how demeaning and insulting he can be to others? See those youtube videos where he was caught doing this. Anyway he was totally owned here.
6,101 The Originator of the heavens and earth, from where He have a son whereas there is no woman for Him and he has created everything and He knows all things.
*Allah cannot have a son without a female !!*
Allah does not know that the eternal god himself became man !!
*According to the Koran, Allah believes: Jesus is a Jewish Hercules (new created GOD)!*
I greatly appreciated the opportunity to hear this conversation. A lot of us are questioning what is happening around us more and more. Such discussions have traditionally been held between intellectuals, philosophers, and theologians, leaving the common man in the dark. Being an audience to such conversations helps sift through some thoughts, biases, and concerns we have in a seemingly more confused world. This hit the mark.
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@HOPE and PEACE lol extending the olive branch? Jp recently stormed al aqsa mosque in Palestine
In the name of Allah the most gracious the most merciful
Allah Glory to him said:
Indeed, Allah chose Adam, Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of Imrân [father of Mary] above all people. -33- They are descendants of one another. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing. -34- ˹Remember˺ when the wife of ’Imrân said, “My Lord! I dedicate what is in my womb entirely to Your service,1 so accept it from me. You ˹alone˺ are truly the All-Hearing, All-Knowing.” -35-When she delivered, she said, “My Lord! I have given birth to a girl,”-and Allah fully knew what she had delivered-“and the male is not like the female. I have named her Mary, and I seek Your protection for her and her offspring from Satan, the accursed.”-36- So her Lord accepted her graciously and blessed her with a pleasant upbringing-entrusting her to the care of Zachariah. Whenever Zachariah visited her in the sanctuary, he found her supplied with provisions. He exclaimed, “O Mary! Where did this come from?” She replied, “It is from Allah. Surely Allah provides for whoever He wills without limit.”-37- Then and there Zachariah prayed to his Lord, saying, “My Lord! Grant me-by your grace-righteous offspring. You are certainly the Hearer of ˹all˺ prayers.”-38- So the angels called out to him while he stood praying in the sanctuary, “Allah gives you good news of ˹the birth of˺ John who will confirm the Word of Allah and will be a great leader, chaste, and a prophet among the righteous.”-39- Zachariah exclaimed, “My Lord! How can I have a son when I am very old and my wife is barren?” He replied, “So will it be. Allah does what He wills.” -40- Zachariah said, “My Lord! Grant me a sign.” He said, “Your sign is that you will not ˹be able to˺ speak to people for three days except through gestures. Remember your Lord often and glorify ˹Him˺ morning and evening.”-41- And ˹remember˺ when the angels said, “O Mary! Surely Allah has selected you, purified you, and chosen you over all women of the world. -42- O Mary! Be devout to your Lord, prostrate yourself ˹in prayer˺ and bow along with those who bow down.”-43- This is news of the unseen that We reveal to you ˹O Prophet˺. You were not with them when they cast lots to decide who would be Mary’s guardian, nor were you there when they argued ˹about it˺.-44- ˹Remember˺ when the angels proclaimed, “O Mary! Allah gives you good news of a Word1 from Him, his name will be the Messiah,2 Jesus, son of Mary; honoured in this world and the Hereafter, and he will be one of those nearest ˹to Allah˺.-45- And he will speak to people in ˹his˺ infancy and adulthood and will be one of the righteous.” -46- Mary wondered, “My Lord! How can I have a child when no man has ever touched me?” An angel replied, “So will it be. Allah creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He simply tells it, ‘Be!’ And it is! -47- And Allah will teach him writing and wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel,-48- and ˹make him˺ a messenger to the Children of Israel ˹to proclaim,˺ ‘I have come to you with a sign from your Lord: I will make for you a bird from clay, breathe into it, and it will become a ˹real˺ bird-by Allah’s Will. I will heal the blind and the leper and raise the dead to life-by Allah’s Will. And I will prophesize what you eat and store in your houses. Surely in this is a sign for you if you ˹truly˺ believe. -49- And I will confirm the Torah revealed before me and legalize some of what had been forbidden to you. I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so be mindful of Allah and obey me. -50- Surely Allah is my Lord and your Lord. So worship Him ˹alone˺. This is the Straight Path.’” -51- When Jesus sensed disbelief from his people, he asked, “Who will stand up with me for Allah?” The disciples replied, “We will stand up for Allah. We believe in Allah, so bear witness that we have submitted.” -52- ˹They prayed to Allah,˺ “Our Lord! We believe in Your revelations and follow the messenger, so count us among those who bear witness.” -53- And the disbelievers made a plan ˹against Jesus˺, but Allah also planned-and Allah is the best of planners.-54- ˹Remember˺ when Allah said, “O Jesus! I will take you1 and raise you up to Myself. I will deliver you from those who disbelieve, and elevate your followers above the disbelievers until the Day of Judgment. Then to Me you will ˹all˺ return, and I will settle all your disputes. -55- As for those who disbelieve, I will subject them to a severe punishment in this life and the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers. -56- And as for those who believe and do good, they will be rewarded in full. And Allah does not like the wrongdoers.” -57- We recite ˹all˺ this to you ˹O Prophet˺ as one of the signs1 and ˹as˺ a wise reminder. -58- Indeed, the example of Jesus in the sight of Allah is like that of Adam. He created him from dust, then said to him, “Be!” And he was! -59- This is the truth from your Lord, so do not be one of those who doubt. -60- }} Al-Imaran Al-Quran Al-Kareem
*Who explains to us why the Koran says Christians believe God has a biological son!*
To all Muslims! Son of God means NOT SON! What is called the son of God is the word of God = god himself! Which has nothing to do with a child (son)! Thus, the Son of God is incarnated as the human Jesus and the human Jesus is therefore referred to as a son, which does not mean a son!
Hebr 1,2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, *by whom also he made the worlds;*
as everyone can see the term Son of God refers to the Word of God = god himself! For through that God created the worlds! *what a mistake in the Qur'an!*
I have NEVER heard the name of Mohamed used in casting out demons... But I know they flee by the power in the name of Jesus!
Amen. Jesus Name its the only one Name that has power in the whole univers.
Uhm, because you watch American Movies? ... also because Muslims call the name of God not his prophets Mohammed or Jesus.
Because everything happens by the permission and will of the only true God, The Father. Muslims refer to the father as Allah.
You realize Muslim’s do ruqya in the name of allah to cast out jinns?
you comment is proof u don't know about islam. The Messiah himself said, “O Children of Israel! Worship Allah-my Lord and your Lord.
This was a calm, careful discussion on all parties and it did my heart good to hear 3 people of different opinions and faiths speak openly and freely with each other without resulting in yelling and screaming. Kudos to all ya'll.
The discussion is islamic propaganda mostly ...
The Muslim was a little aggressive actually
It's definitely a good start of a conversation to be continued hopefully. Also from my American standpoint I remember it is written humility comes before honor.
@@MIKEDIAMONDZ implicitly you recognise islam is powerful…thanks 😆
True love = the love of God!
*God himself went to the cross for you out of love for you as a human being*
Philippians 2:5-8
I am sitting here with tears in my eyes, not not tears of sadness, but of joy. Real talk between interdenominational folks is so rare and such a real blessing. I have something I like to say which is "easier to build a bridge to come together than to build a wall and climb over it to come together. I personally am moving to Indonesian-Bali this year because the multi cultural-ethnic and pluralistic society. Perhaps not perfect, but far removed from where I find the US right now. I think it is interesting to look at those few places in the wold where people do get along and actively work to get to a better place. Bless you three for coming together today. Really does bring joy to my heart. Thank you Jordan, Jonathan and Mohammed for taking a chance and doing your best to build that bridge!
I just wanted to say, welcome to indonesia, i hope you will find "home" here.. Fair warning, There will always be a bad apple in here, but i hope it won't make you feel all indonesian are like that.
This country are not perfect, but at least we had a motto "unity in diversity", to learn, accept, and appreciate the difference.
Sekali lagi, selamat datang di Indonesia
By moving to Indonesia which is predominantly Islamic, it is sincerely hoped that the Christians will not be persecuted to the degree that they have been persecuted in the past.
*Who explains to us why the Koran says Christians believe God has a biological son!*
To all Muslims! Son of God means NOT SON! What is called the son of God is the word of God = god himself! Which has nothing to do with a child (son)! Thus, the Son of God is incarnated as the human Jesus and the human Jesus is therefore referred to as a son, which does not mean a son!
Hebr 1,2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, *by whom also he made the worlds;*
as everyone can see the term Son of God refers to the Word of God = god himself! For through that God created the worlds! *what a mistake in the Qur'an!*
Hay Dave, How much do you know about Bali? Hope you've paid due diligence to extensive research. Islands are no longer the tropical paradises they more or less were as little as 30 years ago. Crime is nothing compared to just a small section of Chicago, or New York... pick a city. Last month there were 27 property crimes. Food is becoming an issue, and it shouldn't be! Because they're suppose to by growing and fishing for their food, but Westernization fffks things up! Anyway, the real threats living in Bali is it's in the region known as the "Ring of Fire" and it has 3 active volcanoes on the Island. Make sure you're on the Western side should one of those bad boys decide to go off Big Time like Krakatoa did !
Good Luck!
I feel that Jonathan should've been given more time to speak and asked questions. He is a notable person who perhaps has quite a lot of knowledge on his field. I would love to hear his views on Christianity. I am Muslim but love listening to others faith and their views.
look up his youtube channel. all on there
You think Mimi Hijab wants to learn about Christianity? Hahahahahaha
@@3JS2001 he actually knows more about Christianity than you do so shut your mouth little boi.
@@3JS2001 to be fair he probably knows more about Christianity than most of the educated Christians.
Bravo to you Trou. Jonathan is indeed a very interesting man to listen to and learn from.
Algeria was a Christian nation before it was conquered by Muslims in the 7th century. So, if we are going to talk about the West having amnesia, well; so.... how far back do we want to go?
All north Africa never been christian they might been some christians living there and for sure they’re still living but as nation dominated christianity that is not true
Wow, if you think that Algeria was conquered by muslims then you should really fact check your history. Algerians were successfull in holding back Muslim conquerers (check out for example the famous Kahina), but interesting enough over time they were sending their next generation leadership to study in Arab countries (because they were leading in education and knowledge) which is where they started picking up Islam and coming back to their tribes and regions as muslim. So you can say that they won the wars against the Muslim invaders, but became muslim through a much more knowledge based transmission of religion.
I would recommend work by the historian Benjamin Stora. For instance, the english summary of his several volume work (originally in french) called "Algeria, 1830-2000". He has sections on this part of the Algerian history in the first chapter of the book. The main focus of the book is as the title suggests the french colonization.
@@youssoufmerouani8107 research Umayyad Caliphate during the 670s-700s.
I am an atheist, have been a huge fan of Dr Peterson since 2016..... I grew up in a doomsday cult , 99% disagreeable, high in contentiousness , high in openness, very low in neuroticism ..... I went back to college and graduated and I have him to thank, a better relationship with my very religious mother , and I have him to thank. He has been my internet father as well as many other peoples , I know he gets this all the time but , man, he gave me direction and meaning and he doesn't know me, he inspired me through taking his own advice when he was going through hell, I cried when he cried when he was coming out of it all I was coming out of my own. He has made his mark on this world (roughly speaking) I admire and respect his words and that he follows his own words in his actions . I feel fortunate to stumble on his videos one night looking for anything that would tell me why I have such a hard time with life , and he gave me my answer. Thank you Dr Peterson. I do love seeing him challenged in this video though.... (I love a good hard debate) .
Take a look at "give me an answer" when u have some time. People who like Jordan enjoy that channel as well. Not as deep but definitely challenging to our long taught ideas.
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I've a serious question, ma'am, how could you live and don't have contact with your imaginary friend? Does he speak back? You should be committed to a mental institution.
I've also read the Qu'Ran. And the Hadith. Serious question: how could you live with yourself aligning yourself with the most evil, vile, horrible ideology to ever exist on the planet in all of human history? How do you live with yourself? How do you sleep at night?
Did you know verbal intelligence has a 0.6 correlation with general intelligence? From the way you write (and the horrible things you just said) I would wager your IQ is 2 digits.@@Fatima-qv3oi
@@Fatima-qv3oi How can you say that he live without doing contact with his God?
Grew up in a doomsday household also😅 we really need support groups or something for this 😂
I say this with a humble heart, humanity, where it stands, desperately needs to hear a continuation of this conversation, I beg please do it again. I have learned so much. We can all benefit tremendously of this kind of interaction, and we need it. I have been moved to my core. In my 49 years of life, it has been one of the most important events to witness, blessings to all.
I second that. Afterall, true devotees to the Abrahamic religions share the same fundamental values and concern towards certain social issues such as transgenderism or feminism.
Just think muhammad used to rape girls about that age
@@ReBorn0704 bill warner ... cumchum
Not enough Jonathan Pageau! He is definitely the best listener. Love the discourse on music. Also the discussion about belief which must be lived-not only professed. These discussions need to be continued.
Jonathan posted a video on his channel explaining why he was the way he was in this discussion. He read Mohammad correctly.. you should go check it out.
@@WelcomeToJ just watched it. He's a very wise man!
*The ETERNAL GOD would do anything for you!!*
Even out of love for you he went to the cross as a human!!
Philippians 2:5-8
@@WelcomeToJ here on YT or his website? I didn't see it. Love to see it. Please pass on where to find.
Jonathan is a muslim?
I see a very arrogant, ignorant, immature, lost graduate student, pretending to be humble but know everything, trying very hard to teach, and actually look to personal attack, a truely humble, mature, intelligent, confidence, knowledgeable, patience professor who had done a lot of inner works and know himself very well.
Right?))
He loves to quote stuff in Arabic to look knowledgeable 🥱🥱🥱
We're onto him. He's extremely arrogant.
Sam Shamoun would eat him alive
@@sergiolalopez3598
As Muslims it's important to give reference if we are quoting something from Quran not just translation but Arabic as well, it's a common practice among Muslims even those who don't know Arabic learn the specific verse to convey the message with absolute Authenticity.
Look up for any Islamic Scholar or even a student and you'll find them doing this.
I see a person hiding behind an account trying to come up with a reason of why your religion has multiple contradictions in which peters was shown…