Talking to Muslims About Christ | Mohammed Hijab & Jonathan Pageau | EP 297
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- Опубликовано: 13 май 2024
- Dr Jordan B Peterson, Jonathan Pageau, and Mohammed Hijab discuss comparative religion, what is said about Islam versus what Islam has to say, and how the uncomfortable conversation - whether contentious or unnerving, is well worth having.
Mohammed Hijab is an author, comparative religionist, and philosopher of scripture. He is the co-founder of the Sapience Institute and is a researcher and instructor for the organization. He has a BA in Politics and a master’s degree in History. He has also acquired a second master’s in Islamic Studies from the School of Oriental and African Studies, as well as a third master’s degree in Applied Theology from the University of Oxford. Currently, he is working toward his PhD in Philosophy of Religion. Having completed Islamic seminary courses, he is one of very few Muslims who has been given formal permission to relay Islamic knowledge on selected Islamic fields, dealing with comparative, political, and theological issues. In his efforts, he has amassed a substantial following on RUclips, aided in part by authoring books such as “The Scientific Deception of the New Atheists.”
Jonathan Pageau is a French-Canadian liturgical artist and icon carver, known for his work featured in museums across the world. He carves Eastern Orthodox and other traditional images and teaches an online carving class. He also runs a RUclips channel dedicated to the exploration of symbolism across history and religion.
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(0:00) Coming up
(1:12) Intro
(4:16) Addressing “Message to Muslims”
(14:35) Colonial amnesia and the pattern of resentment
(15:19) Egyptian mythology and the bloodshed of the past
(21:49) Ignoring the voices of disunity
(27:53) Is there an ultimate purpose to life?
(35:42) The role of worship and ritual
(39:52) Unity is not the same as uniformity
(43:20) Belief at your own peril, deviation, and depression
(50:55) Islam recognizes Jesus, but not the son of god
(59:16) We don’t know what we don’t know
(1:08:40) Belief in word vs. belief in being
(1:10:17) Why do we connect with specific scripture?
(1:23:25) You are measured by how much you can endure
(1:26:01) Would Jordan Peterson consider becoming Muslim?
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I`d like to thank my dad for busting my balls to learn english at the age of 8, because without that, I would have never gotten to experience conversations and knowledge like this.
True love = the love of God!
*God himself went to the cross for you out of love for you as a human being*
Philippians 2:5-8
@@hannawurst6064 Pauls letters to all and sunder, are not Christ speaking. Please let that sink in, and reflect.
My friend don'tplay ignorant !! Because the fact is that the Koran writer didn't even know what Christians believe in! And if Paul1or anotherhas corruptet the Bible in the 1st century or not, it doesn't change the fact that according to the Koran Allah has no idea about Christianity and that in the 7th century!!!
*Peter the apostle of Jesus himself confirms Paul's writings as Holy Scriptures!*
2 Peter 3:15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
@@hannawurst6064 really ng
Its amazing how much more effective talks like this are without an audience interrupting every 5 seconds
It mean that when you appling logic mean itself you don't have holy sprit leading in you then it is difficult to understand God mahamad
@@srinivasaraorao1043 Your understanding of Islam like a baby who understands science at the age of two. By the way We muslims don't believe Muhammed (S.A.W) is a God.
@@rohanrahman8138 : Muhammad is not God but he came from the devil 👿. Muhammad is presently in hell and burning. Jesus Christ is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Jesus Christ will judge on judgment day. Allah is a pagan moon god of the Kabba.
@@hulchul8891 Where did you get this information? CNN or Whatsapp University 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣? In today's world, education is very important, as I just realised from your comment. So have some coffee and read some books on Islam. I hope you listen for your own benefit.
The “West” compared to what?? No “faith” on this planet damages or threatens freedom more than Islam. That’s my opinion and I’m ALLOWED to have it!!!! I’m not a person of ANY faith but can understand and support the opposition to it all!! Why are we still talking about this?!?. OMG!!!! Recognize our condition!!! Stop relating this to RELIGION!!! Please don’t speak of the problems humans have without considering the origin???…EMERGENCE of CONSCIOUSNESS???? !!!!!
i had to google some of those words that Dr. Peterson was using. The way he was constructing his thoughts and finding the right words was quite amazing. It's better to listen to him for hours than to waste your time in nonsense stuffs that people talk which they they don't believe and also don't help you to grow as an individual. I was little disappointed in how the talk ended abruptly without the conclusion of his ideas. Thank you for captivating me in this hour and half talk without diverting my eyes elsewhere.
He's a goat! So flawless in his articulation.
I actually think his “over-intelligence” is probably one of the biggest reasons he is misunderstood quite a lot. Not everyone has an IQ of 140 and above. His sentences are too complicated, not just about vocabulary, but about his thinking and thoughts and how he describes them..
@@Ahmed-pf3lgFind someone else that shares your vocabulary then
Yes, much respect and appreciation for these speakers for their grace and civility. It is exemplary. I can’t help, however, but think that Hijab engages in this intellectual exchange with the predetermined purpose and motivation of arguing Islam to be the truer or superior faith and even attempting to corner, Peterson, by reason of the Islamic doctrinal challenge, into converting to Islam. I would’ve liked to hear more discussion on this topic
So, I think that's the whole point of it. To argue that Islam is the one true religion
@@mosef98which is a pitie and of course not true
Hijab should make a comparison list of Muhammed(PBU) and Jesus (The King of Heaven and Earth) lives based on the information which has given in almost all versions of Holy Quran and then decide with his full honesty and intellectual which is more true and divine, Jesus or Muhammed(PBUH). Then he should invite non Muslims to Islam. I salute the humility of Dr.Peterson who was not offended by his invitation to Islam.
What you say is true, but understandable. Hijab is rationnaly conviced by the islamic faith. Peterson is still gathering informations about Islam to make his mind.
@@ritagill4983the invitation especially inder this pretext, and after at length discussion of philosophical and theological and moral, if we're being honest, is and should be an absolute honor! A wonderful thing to garner the respect of a gentleman of such high acclaim in any realm but one would think that it would be a much harder feat as a westerner and from such an esteemed Islamic scholar and teacher/ speaker/ Imam. May God bless this seed of peace and allow it to grow into a mighty oak of unity.
I am a uneducated American currently residing temporary in Dublin Ireland and I have long conversations with Pakistanis, Brazilians, Greeks,Romanians, YOU NAME IT!
Point being most people from anywhere around the planet are willing to have interesting conversations of respect and abundance. Never believe the social media hate and divide.
True
If you want to debate islam let me know ;)
@@Truthseiker87 Yeah why was Muhammad possessed by a Djinn and his wife’s cousin told him it was the Angel Gabriel? Why was he unsure about his salvation if he is a Prophet of God?
Ok. Any klingon, lately?
Right
I love that line. “I’m not going to say I’m here for tolerance, because tolerance means I know better than you but I will tolerate you”
Yes I agree..I love that too..
but we're expected to tolerate all kinds of ideas we don't agree with because we don't want to be perceived as dictators..
God wants us to come to him by knowledge not by force
This discussion is very inspirational
Other than you not better than you
Honestly though...what's wrong with saying that? No one believes what they believe because they think they are wrong. I think it is impossible to assume that you know better then someone else that has different ideas then you if, having met their ideas, you reject them.
Better to tolerate people you think are wrong. Better TO tell them they are wrong if asked about it! Be honest about the disagreements, and teach the world to not be offended by assumptions everyone makes.
Who said that here?
Timestamp?
One of the most powerful conversations I've ever gotten to listen to. Thank you!
Are you theistic or not ?
So what's your conclusion based on this conversation?
I can't express how impactful this video has been for me.
I love how Jordan is completely open to talking and trying to understand anyone. More discourse like this is needed. Finding common ground.
They shouldn't be here
He says that he wants peace, but then goes on to storm Al-Aqsa compound with that robot sounding apartheid tribesmen creature. Rather what he wants is perennialism among Muslims and zionism for them. Did this interview happen before or after his storming of Al-Aqsa? Look up the video.
Also he was banned from twitter for annoying a girl that became a man right? So what does think of christianity that claims God became a man? Did God transition into an apartheid tribesmen creature? Is that why he stormed Al-Aqsa compound due to his belief that God belongs to the apartheid tribesmen's ethnicity?
he isn't really open if he says he won't embrace islam even if he was provided with the evidence.
@A.b.s how am I a troll?
Imagine if leaders from all walks of life and all religions could have intelligent, calm and respectful discussions like this each day how wonderful this world would be
Respectfully, the Muslim was not calm. He was there to refute Christianity, and Mr. Peterson was there to discuss their common beliefs, but the Muslim kept saying he disagreed with almost everything that Peterson said.
Nothing wrong with disagreeing with someone for whatever you believe. I’m a Christian in training, wasn’t raised as a Christian, didn’t go to church, didn’t know God, just started about 4 years ago. I listen to all view points. Because of my experience 4 years ago with God and things God has shown me these last few years I know Jesus is not only my savior but God. I live by 3 rules (and probably don’t do them well). First I love God first, All other humans second, and I try to apply the Fruit of the Spirit to every conversation and everything I do. Communication is extremely important whether we agree or disagree, otherwise we have issues, communication is not trying to better someone or change someone THAT IS God’s plan and job. I’m an old guy and God didn’t need to use me until I 60. Sorry for the long conversation.
@@BrendaLee381 "disagree" are just a word for u to make him look bad? people have their own belief, perspectives, theory, and anthing that is different since we are human and by u mean disagree does'nt mean he is ignorant, he makes his points and eloborate it rather than being (like u) no offense. a man who did'nt like to be disagreed by.
@@richardannaken no need to be sorry. it is admirable that u seek knowledge rather than be ignorant. i hope u can do research about muslims aswell it's quite interesting. A man that tolerate for anything protect nothing.
They’ve got WAY too many ulterior motives involving making money to ever care to agree.
After years, I watched this conversation again and I loved it more and more like wine stays in the barrel. both guys help us to enlighten the calmness of wisdom beyond the subject they want to embrass
It’s only been a year bruv
By far one of the most tamed and finest conversations, and having Mohd Hijab behave is a sight to behold.
^ Racist Translation: "Omg this brown ANIMAL is in a suit and a chair, now if only he could become a CIVILIZED CHRISTIAN CRUSADER NAZI He would have had my VOTTTTEEEEEE!"
Understatement, about Hijab. Crude bugger😂
Didn’t want to get Kathy Griffon’d
Mohammad Hijab is a well-mannered and behaved individual, until provoked. You trying to paint him as something he honestly isnt. Not cool bro
@@TravelBandit and then you twist what provocation is, either way his true color come out like everyone’s does when heat is in and it matters, uses his size to intimidate and his degrees to act knowing, but is a dunce., uses his own books has citations in debates lol 😂 just a salesman. Like many “religious me”?…. Dude goes places looking for fights, lol you’re trying to make him out to be something he ain’t.
This is how a debate should unfold literally and not screaming and interrupting one another and not be able to speak, this is education at its finest, just beautiful for the ears.
Exactly. I noticed that only the people who know and are competent will debate without screaming at each other, but that's not always the case.
*here YHWH says in the Old Testament he is the son who was pierced in a prophecy! 6th century before Jesus Christ*
Zechariah 12,10 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit[1] of grace and supplication. They will look on[2] me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.
@@hannawurst6064 And again another scripture says "They shall look on HIM whom they have pierced."
We see clearly! In John 19:37 "" "" You will look at the one you have pierced «" "" But you only look at one according to Zechariah 12:10 and that is YHWH !!! You only look at YHWH!
So John 19:37 contradicts all newer versions of Zechariah 12:10 where another was pierced than YHWH !! YHWH speaks about this in Zechariah from his point of view and the apostles from the point of view of man! because you can see who you have pierced! And that's the one who says YOU LOOK AT ME !!! So the fact is YHWH says you look at ME !! And who are you looking at;). Exactly the one they pierced!
My friend according to textual criticism, the matter is clear! According to Zechariah, YHWH was pierced! because the Christian writings of Zechariah and the confirmation text in John are the oldest sources that exist!
Jordan Peterson is so open and humble. A man of integrity. Canadian government needs to appreciate and be proud of this man!
Proud isn’t the best word, but yes they do need to appreciate who he is and what he has done. OR AT THE VERY LEAST give him some actual damn freedom of speech rights.
Luke 4 :24 And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.
It is very easy to refute Islam! Because the God of Islam does not know that according to Christianity God incarnated
True love = the love of God!
*God himself went to the cross for you out of love for you as a human being*
Philippians 2:5-8
@@-xDarkxGhostx- good thing I have my muckers on.........lol
A World wide treasure!!
Absolutely brilliant talk, the world needs more of this, our religons have differences but it is possible to have healthly talks to further enlighten us all, god bless all 3 of you
Don’t be fooled by the suit and tie. The majority of Muslims would support the Muslim right to enslave you, force you to convert, then kill you if you don’t. Islam isn’t the nexus of free speech and tolerance. Quite the opposite. It isn’t the religion of peace.
Damn, unfortunate that video cuts off at the end. For shame that daily wire didn't include the last part of this interview on their website. That was an important line Peterson was on.
This is what the world needs. I appreciate Dr. Jordan Peterson, Jonathan and Mohammed Hijab sitting at the same table and having a Real Talk, to an extent in which they have talked in this video. We need more of this! Not only from these fine souls, that are in search and pursuit of remedy, but from many others.. on all levels. This is the way forward. Bless to all
Ah yes, mohammad Hijab is most certainly a "fine soul".
You don't know much about him, do you?
@@magnumopus1628 you think both are perfect human beings. Dont gas light
@@commandar88 Hijab isn’t honest. He bashes the west constantly but lives in the west? He’s a hypocrite.
He’s a smoother moslem liar only . . .
@@commandar88 it's not about being perfect. This Hijab guy is open about his views about Pete do phelia and is very honest about apostates being killed. He apologizes for none of it, for which I am thankful for his honesty. Much better a snake wears it's own skin than coat itself with the wool of a sheep.
One of my best friends in the world, who died tragically a few months ago at the age of 41 was Muslim. I still cry every time I think of him. We were two opposites, yet…we were brothers. In the truest sense of the meaning.
The debates we had were epic. But at the end of the day. We were brothers and and best friends. I miss that about him. What I would give to have him here to engage is this type of conversation again. This discussion should be cherished as a reminder that friendship and brotherhood transcends geography and faith.
Wow
It's early in the morning. It's too early to shed tears like this, Brother. But I am so sorry. I'm positive he is still keeping an eye on you. Being with you when you need him most. God Bless my friend. Go with the Father.
may Allah grant him the highest level of Jannah, If I may suggest that as an honor to your friend (and brother) you keep searching for the truth and search deep please, no pressure, I feel that a lot of people don't search/read enough, they try and hit the surface and then they delay and ignore till it's too late, sorry my English is not that good, may Allah bless you.
@@abdulsalamghazal9127 u
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1.36 h of pure intellectual and faith bliss. Thank you all for sharing the gifts you've been blessed with!
Very wonderful dialogue and the types of conversations we should all strive to have with each other
“What you need most will be found where you least want to look” such a powerful quote
Was this a debate or a lecture. That muslim dude wouldn't shut up.
@@LeoCody1 I don't trust this Hijab guy for some reason. Reminds me of this Hindus in India
Point 1 is that Mummamod was born 600 years after Jesus Christ was crucified on the cross and both the old and New Testament had been around for all those years beforehand and so a lot of the Islamic book has so much of the holy bible within its pages or at least the shadow of God’s Word.
It is very easy to refute Islam! Because the God of Islam does not know that according to Christianity God incarnated
True love = the love of God!
*God himself went to the cross for you out of love for you as a human being*
Philippians 2:5-8
Islam is a driven oratory system in many instances (rather than idle discussion), so sometimes it can be mistaken for lecture due to the style of teaching. Nonetheless it's confidence is why it ended Christianity long ago in most places and left them with nothing but churches full of old losers. If you haven't noticed youth influencers are ALL Islamic. Be it Tiktok, or British majority influencers like Andrew Tate.
MH's willingness to let Dr. Peterson talk at length is MUCH appreciated.
That’s a low bar but given his record it’s understandable.
Hijab failed to understand this strategy from JP thats how JP weaseled his way out of all the questions and constantly interrupted hijab
Dishonest as expected
@@xGAMER_chimpX JP Waffled and Waffled and Waffled and .....
@@jagoman85 he sure did.
@@jagoman85 perhaps if you had understood more what he was saying it wouldn’t have been waffle?
I saw good human beings on both sides lending their ears to learn their differences. The world would be far better with many more people like them. I believe I belong more in the agnostic group but raised Catholic and I learned a lot about theology from both sides especially about the Quran from this discussion. All of them have done a great service to the world just by talking. Thank you gentlemen!
This is an indescribably necessary and beautiful exchange. I'm glad you all allowed this to take place!
What a wonderful discussion. I am Roman Catholic and I have many friends who are Muslim. We have been having similar conversations recently. These types of conversations are essential !!
@@alexanderspear9464 I'ts so hard for me to grasp the level of your ignorance and others like you.
@@alexanderspear9464 That’s a bold statement 😂 I’m not Christian but feel the need to say ‘Jesus’ to that
@@alexanderspear9464 exactly. No idea why people insist it's a religion capable of coinciding.
I know that there are peaceful Muslims out there. What I find very disconcerting though are these Commandments from the Quran: Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)." Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush …" How can such a commandment be tolerated by anyone?
@@cyanidecapsule6275 Read Nicki’s comment.
The Viktor Frankl book that Mohammed Hijab is referencing is called “Man’s search for Meaning”, and it’s one of the most important books I’ve read. Highly recommend it.
I will second this, incredible book
Third
Fourth! Changed the manner in which I view life.
Dr Peterson mentioned this book few years ago, certainly one of the best books he's recommending
@@tadija007 He did, this motivated me to read it. I'm sure it's listed on his website too, alongside many other superb books.
What a beautiful and exiting conversation, thank you all very much🙏
This conversation could have gone on for 6 hours and still be fascinating.
Yeah totally. They barely scratched the surface.
@@bonleofen Is there a part 2? It cut off halfway
@@zccau2316is there a part 2?
@@waleedaal sadly no. I think there could be some technical issues that couldn't record the last bit.
Man I want more of Jordan and hijab honestly . They have interesting conversations
To be sitting in my living room and as a Christian in the US and listening to this amazing give and take conversation with Jordan, Mohammad Hijab and Jonathan on their religions is so heart warming. Having real conversations is what is going to help us all to live and work together as well as learn to respect one another for our differences. God Bless all of you all.
Basic Islam (*eg allah+Mohd+black stone…):
1. You have to believe in allah and equate a man by the name Mohammad next to him - idolatry;
2. You have to pray toward a rock that has a black stone in it - idolatry;
3. You have to give charity only to Muslim causes. You are not to support other causes. - But you claim Islam is a religion of peace and mercy. What a joke!
4. You have the fasting but when people cannot fast during the month, you pay somebody to fast on your behalf, and you earn righteousness! - But you deny what Christ Jesus did for you on the cross and His resurrection so that believers can get His righteousness (Rom4:25);
5. You go on perform the pilgrimage, but we heard what happened to the women (*being sexually abused) at the “holey place”. - Al Fadi
Jeremiah9:24but let him who boasts boast in this, that he understands and knows me, that I am the LORD who practices steadfast LOVE, justice, and righteousness in the earth. For in these things I delight, declares the LORD.”
@@hzjc9680 1- Yes, you have to believe in Allah and his messenger Mohammed(PBUH) and he is just a messenger and a prophet we do not consider him equal to Allah.
2- We pray towards the Kaaba and not worship the Kaaba, before our direction was changed to Kaaba the Mohammed (PBUH) and the Muslims at that time used to face Al-Aqsa Masjid which is in Jurusalem, and then Allah commanded them to face the Kaaba.
3-Muslims are not prohibited from giving charity to anyone unless they’re fighting against us.
4- You’re wrong again, someone cannot fast in your stead even if you pay them, you have to fast yourself and if you’re unable to because you’re traveling, sick, on menstrual cycle etc you make up for that fast by fasting in another month for how many fasts you missed and if you’re old, have a condition that makes you unable to fast because it puts you in danger you don’t have to fast instead you feed 1 person per day for how many fasts you missed, e.g you didn’t fast for 29 or 30 days in Ramadan you feed 29 or 30 people total 1 per day.
5- People who do atrocious acts like that when they’re at the holy place are the scum of earth and don’t fear Allah
That rarely happens.
Where did you even get your information from?
I’d like to know because wow everything you said is wrong
@@hzjc9680 you say the Jesus died for our sins, why? He could have just forgiven us if he’s god.
How can god die?
@@KingBugsBunny i dont think he is serious, just a hater. Most likely from america
Is there a part 2 to this discussion? This is the Mohammed I love to listen to when he isn't allowing his emotions guide his intellect.. Such a great mind he has. As for Jordan, what can I say. He's a 21st century prophet of intellect. I'd also like to thank them both for coming to the table with a desire to respect the content and eachother with no desire to conquer either.
Jordon P. I thought your address to Islamist Muslims was a wonderful call for love and unity .. you were respectful and needed ..
This is what happens when you have a difference of opinion, get heated, STAY in the room and LISTEN to the others WHY. Loved this.
I'd argue that it wasn't even really "heated." They all seemed to enjoy the discourse
What to study as well as Online Resources as new Muslims or even old ones
Quran itself and the Sunnah. Old Scholars near that time
1. Sapiance Institute
2. Dr Zakir Naik lectures
3. IslamHouse
4. Ahmed Deedat
5. Islamqa info
6. Masjid Ribat channel by sheikh Uthman ibn Farooq
7. Blogging Theology
8. Smile2Jannah
9. MuslimSkeptic
10. Farid speaks gives good book recommendations
11. Check local mosques they sometimes have awesome books
12. Google islamic books and bookstores and get book recs by farid speaks. Conquest of the Sahaba by Al Imam Al waqidi is one
Singular great videos
1. Hamza Tzortis vs Lawerence Krauss (4 million)
2. AustiN School, *"How Islam Saved the West",* *"Khalid Ibn walid profile of a Warrior"* (1.1 million)
3. Muslim, christian, jew a conversation (7 million views)
4. Mehdi Hassan, Islam is Peace (9.9 million views)
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The 2 main differences between Christianity:
1) -Yeshua claimed to be (and in fact, is) God.
-Mohammed's brother declared him to be a prophet.
2) -Yeshua instructed His followers to spread the gospel by simply telling everyone, not by force.
- Mohammed set the example for his followers by leading them in rampages across Arabia, killing some and making slaves of others who refused to convert.
@@kimberlypearce3732 ^ *forgets colonialism, nazis, kkk, crusaders, americans and russian nazis in the Muslim lands genocidin*
Also atheists *Uyghur genocide, stalin, and Mao, Nanking*
*Who explains to us why the Koran says Christians believe God has a biological son!*
To all Muslims! Son of God means NOT SON! What is called the son of God is the word of God = god himself! Which has nothing to do with a child (son)! Thus, the Son of God is incarnated as the human Jesus and the human Jesus is therefore referred to as a son, which does not mean a son!
Imagine a world where our political leaders had conversations like this. Thank you JPB, Pageu, and Mohamad
Kill the clowns 🤡 and replace them with logic
Imagine if they were our politicians.
@@robbiewhite8383 imagine if politicians weren’t all talking out of their ass..
@@robbiewhite8383 Jesus, no thx. this idiot Muhammad would oppose sharia.. and we will end up like in iran.
No thx.
*Muhammad
This side of Hijab I really respect. A relaxed, and respectful conversation I think is the most important discourse we can have.
Hijab has always been respectful to people who’re respectful.
He knows how to read his opponent. Aggression would not have helped him here. But deep down, he is what he manifests most of the time.
It's cause Peterson isn't a jew. Hijab goes barbaric when a jew debates him.
Hijab is always respectful???😂😂😂. Bro literally threatened peoples lives and has said MANY sexual things about women and minors.
@@zaraki942tell me you are joking
Good talk. Thanks to all involved.
I absolutely adore Dr. Jordan Peterson. He just doesn't speak to be heard he feels his words very deeply and I think we need more men like him
I agree 🤗
What do u mean by "speak"?
What do u mean by "heard"?
What do u mean by "feels"?
@@burakcoskun1865
what do you mean by "what"?
what do you mean by "do"?
what do you mean by "you"?
what do you mean by "mean"?
what do you mean by "by"?
@@shidoku7012 😂
I am a Christian who was raised Southern Baptist but now I am non-denominational.
I've always had questions about faith and religion and how it correlates to mine or how it doesn't but here's where I'm stumped:
In our Christian faith we are taught to honor our Mother & Father & so therefore in a lot of Christian households, we are taught about the Bible.
So how can we look at other religions as being "wrong" whenever they likely had a similar way of adopting religion (through family)?
I have met so many wonderful people from all different religions & it's incredibly hard to condemn someone for their religious beliefs because we can't even collectively define religion itself. Just to reiterate, I believe the Gospel but I would like someone from the Christian faith to explain to me how someone who was born Muslim and died Muslim who never knew Jesus will not be entering the Kingdom of Heaven???
Any thoughts on this would be welcomed.
I'm a Muslim, and this is the first time I hear Dr, Jordan speaking. And oh boy, he one of a character and thinker! And it was such an enjoyable talk between the three ❤️. I was moved when Dr, Jordan almost cryed at the end. I'm waiting for another talk like this in the future insha Allah ❤️
Do not be fooled by his symmetrical face and beautiful artculation. He is a Hypocrites and Zionist
Associating with you fools is what's going to bring JBP down. It's not the gender debate, not the climate change. It's associating with this dude Hijab who's on video asking a group of people to attack non-believers.
What do you think about quran 4:171?
Jesus a WORD Himself became Flesh and dwelt amongst us is God❤
I didn’t watch yet, but I will. I’m not religious, and I don’t believe in god. I believe in humanity, and goodness within. I think that is what we should pay reverence to. I also believe we are one big family, and our differences are just outwardly. We are all brothers, and sisters. I don’t need any other teaching, because goodness lives in my heart, and I’m trying to not be afraid of dying. I believe our only chance in life is the present. I believe when we die, we simply go back to our elemental earth. There is no saviour.
We waste time in that belief, and fight amongst ourselves…FOR NOTHING, and certainly not for good.
@@patriciakeats1621 Forget Family and all!
You by yourself will stand on the day of judgement!
Goodness is God and the Righteousness is God!
There is a light there is a darkness so similarly,
If there is good then theres evil! And evil is contrary to God!
Believe in Jesus Christ and be saved get baptized!
So good! I absolutely ❤ this talk.
this was enlightening - thank you
Like i just told my son today ,"Always be willing to hear both sides of an argument and never let the conversation break down . As a society, we really do depend on each other, and it's taken centuries to get here !" ❤😊
I’m glad people instill this in themselves and their families. It’s quite beautiful in a world of chaos. I do have to note though that conversation does tend to break down still but there’s absolutely still hope.
Wish you two the best in life ❤
That is the very skill that has disappeared from universities: debate, discussion, apologetics, conversation. The whole reason for the existence of universities and town halls- inquiry, examination, development of new and better ways to conduct modes and methods of exploration- has been dispensed with only to have been replaced with myopic and soul-crushing oppression and ideological dogma. RUclips is the new university, and it, too, is slowly being eroded.
i agree 💯
actually conversations like these and inter-faith debates used to happen in the Islamic golden age.
Thank you to all three of you. This is the conversation we should all be having to love and appreciate each other.
Nobody came to an agreement an the Muslim as cocky an arrogant as he may be didn’t even provide an facts an doesn’t know who Jesus really was, Muslims contradict themselves when it comes to Jesus an for hibjab to say provide the evidence an doesn’t accept when provided makes him look unintelligent an ignorant especially the part where they were gonna go off topic to prove hijab wrong but he didn’t want the smoke 1:09:32, for him to save they believe in Jesus an his miracles but not believe he is the son of God is mind blowing, no other person has done miracles in the Quran yet they go beating around the bush an pretending like they have truth but they go by the Old Testament that was before Jesus Christ & pick an choose what makes sense to them instead of the entire story which is ridiculously selfish
They say Mohammed saw a vision of the revaluation from an angel but in the Bible Galatians chpt 1: vs8-9 it clearly says that we shouldn’t believe in anything other than what God has told us an clearly that’s not what Muslims do, yet they’ll pick an choose what’s best for them 😂 absolutely absurd fallacy
*The ETERNAL GOD would do anything for you!!*
Even out of love for you he went to the cross as a human!!
Philippians 2:5-8
Greatest mind of possibly all of time sitting with a 3.99 human quran audiobook quoting scriptures for 2 hours. Beyond me how Dr. Peterson would show these men the time of day in 15 lifetimes let along one. Blessed these men are sitting in the same room. Blessed I am for coexisting with such a genius. God bless your heart, Dr. Peterson.
Peterson literally said its a good time right now not to state our (people of faith's) differences and yet you here are mocking Muslims and this clearly shows how ignorant you are. You were raised "correctly".
@@saloona_ Not mocking muslims. I’m mocking theseee Muslims. And If I were personally Muslim, that last person I would want on the forefronts of discussion are these here Muslim gentlemen. Not one thing said made it passed 1 layer of reasoning, let the along the 10 layers that Dr. Peterson laid out in his rebuttals, willingly, just for the sake in indulgence of discussion. If this discussion went on any longer, Dr. Peterson would be 50-100 layers deep into the iceberg without anyone in that room, especially the muslims, able to comprehend anything being discussed. Hence why the muslim host came over to end the discussion. Hence why the video gets cut off with Dr. Peterson mid conversation. These Muslims were utterly dismantled and not smart enough to realize the embarrassment they should be experiencing inviting the literal smartest man alive to defend his religious position.
Peterson speaking to Hijab, it´s like an adult speaking with a child. A sight to behold indeed, God bless you J. Peterson.
thats dragging it but hijab did say peterson was twice his age
Yeah, Mohammed is the best.
Empty talk coming from an empty person. You are here to give your opinion about the dialogue and the points, not to attack the people being discussed. This exposes the shallowness of your mind
People of faith need to talk to each other directly like this.
Is Peterson a man of faith ? I don’t think so - always patronizing from his ivory tower of self right dictation
Faith in what ?
He’s a Christian
@@terradargana3301I think he has a lot of respect for the British style reformations - Scottish and English Presbyterianism. And how influential it has been on western culture etc
Check out exodus
I do love the way they find pockets of moments to laugh, joke and bring levity in their discussion of serious topics. Laughter definitely brings people together
Sure. Tell that to the Charlie Hebdo staff.
@@Safe-and-effective Oh no the internet c*nt is back here again. As Hijab said say that to the 5 million Algerians murdered by the french
@@zccau2316 Ooh, justifying muslim terrorism. Let me guess...you're a moderate, right?
@Mosaab twice Why do you call the American Army Christians? Dont' you know what being Christan means? Being American doesn't equal Christian. Christians are NOT responsible for dead children.
@Mosaab twice You sound very confused. Christianity is the religion, western states don't have a religion, they have a separation of church and state. When America attacks another country, it has nothing to do with Christianity. When European nations go to war, it's not a Christian war. Christianity does not teach killing people. Anyone who does that, is not a Christian.
Constantly the muslim man is trying to convert Peterson whilst Jordan just wants an open conversation. Sooo much missunderstanding about the fig tree and Jesus. Oh how wonderful my Saviour is!!!
There is a very reasonable explanation why Jesus cursed the fig tree even though it wasn’t the season for figs.
Even before the season, fig trees produce little knobs which are eaten by a passerby. As the late renowned NT scholar F.F. Bruce noted:
"The other miracle is the cursing of the barren fig tree (Mk. xi 12 ff.), a stumbling block to many. They feel that it is unlike Jesus, and so someone must have misunderstood what actually happened, or turned a spoken parable into an acted miracle, or something like that. Some, on the other hand, welcome the story because it shows that Jesus was human enough to get unreasonably annoyed on occasion.
It appears, however, that a closer acquaintance with fig trees would have prevented such misunderstandings. ‘The time of the fig is not yet,’ says Mark, for it was just before Passover, about six weeks before the fully-formed fig appears. The fact that Mark adds these words shows that he knew what he was talking about. When the fig leaves appear about the end of March, they are accompanied by a crop of small knobs, called taqsh by the Arabs, a sort of fore-runner of the real figs. These taqsh are eaten by peasants and others when hungry. They drop off before the real fig is formed. But if the leaves appear unaccompanied by taqsh, there will be no figs that year. So it was evident to our Lord, when He turned aside to see if there were any of these taqsh on the fig-tree to assuage His hunger for the time being, that the absence of the taqsh meant that there would be no figs when the time of figs came. For all its fair foliage, it was a fruitless and a hopeless tree." (Bruce, Are The New Testament Documents Reliable? [Intervarsity Press; Downers Grove, Ill, fifth revised edition 1992], pp. 73-74; bold emphasis ours).
Many people have already addressed the fig tree talking point of Muslims trying to refute Christians. Many have done this for hijab and his mates. He seemingly ignores it.
Nah it’s the other way around also Peterson is a terrible person and has lost a lot of respect due to the give em hell tweet
Atleast learn the person’s name
@@xzss7029I’ll put my money on you being Muslim
They got no clue about the Trinity..
Why is the ending cutoff? It looks like it was going to be the best part
Likely it continues on the Daily Wire Plus.
One quote that sums the whole conversation
"Stop asking if I believe in God; watch me." -Pageau
Agreed. The word “Iman” in Islam, which is often incompletely translated as “faith” or “belief”, actually encompasses faith in the heart, affirmation with the tongue and manifestation in action. Without all components, one’s “Iman” is considered incomplete.
@@a4482921 great reminder, but it shows it should be on all levels.. because the real intention is so important for why a person doing what he is doing.. is it fame, power, wealth, satisfy getting attention, need to feel important, satisfy his mom or doing good (but what better than goodness that our creater is asking us to do ) thats how I see it.. but eventually the only one know our real intention is our creator who knows what in our hearts
As a christain I have made respect for all 3 of you. This was a FASCINATING discussion such professional people politely disagreeing and having the most intelectual discussions. BRAVO
What do you think of the Muslim world wiew? Will they see heaven?
I'm sorry you don't know Mr Hijab.
Your not
@@StallionFernando
The bible tells us only through Christ
The fact that they are delusional seems to not face you at all.
Appreciate you sir, you are a golden treasure to humanity.
Some appreciation thumbs up for Jonathan's quick witted translation of what Mohammed was trying to ask JP with all that long winded rambling at the end. lol lol
This is the most intense yet calm and respectful talk I've ever seen
Kudos to Mohammed Hijab 🎉🎉🎉👍👏
He is intelligent & eloquent with an exceptionally high level of Emotional Quotient.
His perspective is extremely grounded , level-headed , highly rational , focussed , organised & systematic.
I was a fan of Jordan Peterson so I do respect him & his ideas.
For this video , unfortunately & disappointedly , every time he goes on his elongated tangent to a simple & straightforward question , I cannot help but visualise him ...
In a toga , floating around among the clouds , flitting from cloud to cloud & holding a harp but not playing it ....BECAUSE ....
he does not know how to play it ‼️
He is merely holding the harp for CLOUT AMONG THE CLOUDS ‼️‼️‼️🤦♀️
Sad to say , this makes him look like ....
An EMPTY CAN .... MAKING THE MOST NOISE ‼️‼️‼️🤦♀️
@@aryafaaz9345your bias is showing. 😂🔥👍
@@aryafaaz9345 Would it be more accurate if you said "I could not follow what Jordan Peterson was speaking about?" Surely, you're making a lot of noise yourself, you know?
@@aryafaaz9345 Dude, that's not a football game. Get that 'my team vs. the other team' Hype out of here.
Hmmm, shall we guessyour identity based on your biases?
I love how Mohammad Hijab acts so less aggressive when talking to Jordan Peterson
I’m not familiar with him but understood people think he’s confrontational and maybe mean… that’s not what I see here which tells me that the perceptions of him aren’t taking into consideration the people or situations he had been dealing with and now dealing with a wonderful person and intellect like Jordan he recognizes and adjusts properly. Hey I am raised Catholic but I want peace between Islam and Christianity and Jewish people! We have much more in common than not it seems. This is an amazing thing happening here
@@martino8114or you’re not taking into account humans ability to be twofaced and act with some manners when necessary an individuals ability to behave for an hour really isn’t proof of much 😂
@dreanngirlisn't this the guy who was bullying that Christian RUclipsr though? Swear I saw a video where this dude was threatening to spit on some guy, said he can't debate him unless he is allowed to personally insult him, and then said some horrendous crap over Twitter. I'll see if I can find it
@dreanngirl a guy wanted to debate with him. That isn't disrespectful, that's how adults talk. I saw an hour long video which showed hijab acting like a jackass. He says awful things, argues in bad faith, and is just downright immature. Im not sure what the other people said about him first, but he doesn't act like somebody I would look up to as a leader in my religion
@@dreanngirldon't think that anyone is hurt because they find him rude. I think he is a terrible spokesperson he is very aggressive and he commonly uses personal attacks instead of debating an idea
Awsome man Jordan Peterson, so intelligent, clam, respectful and peaceful🙏👏👏💜
In the silence all is revealed. So many words bring confusion and anger. Each fighting to win. Only God wins. „”Be Still and Know I Am God”
I'm surprised by how unconfrontational Mohammed Hijab was, and how comfortable Jordan Peterson was. Mohammed Hijab posed some really good questions and criticisms, but at every turn he projects excessive confidence and pride which makes him difficult to listen to. That said, I still very much appreciated this conversation, and specifically the tough questions that Mohammed Hijab asked.
all of you spoke beautifully.. There is no winner except for those listening.. Thank you all
The US's 'Founding Fathers', already tried this approach of 'attempt to understand the muslim jackals, who kept killing & enslaving non-islamics indiscriminantly & without mercy or for amy apparent sane reason.
They were told that that's how it's written in the q'ran & haddiths, that's how it'll remain.
The result was a ban on muslims withim the US. Infortunately, Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnell, John McCain, Lindsay Graham & 1 or 2 other retards removed yhay law, in the 60's or 70's. That's treason & punishable by death.
muslims are blooded from an early age & are raised to - expected to inflict fear, terror & atrocities upon the infidels via the 7 types of jihad, on every occassion, while being taught to deceive manipulate & destroy everything that wasn't made via allah.
Look up taharoosh/taharuush.
The way muslims achieve their halal food, is the same way the satanist elites get their adrenalin packed blood from tortured children before they're killed.
They both pray to the devil & get along like a house on fire. To understand the reason why they always act like cut snakes, search for video & text on halal, adrenalin, epi-pen & adrenochrome processes.
All are part of the global cabal & must be forced to leave our countries - receive the penalty of death, if they don't comply.
What do you mean "all"? Whatt do you mean "spoke"? What do you mean "beautifully"?
@@lillebror1567 Lmao
The aim of an argument shouldn't be victory, but progress.
@@ahsanha9838 Neither to go into meaningless semantics about what simple words mean. JP thinks he can define what a woman is, but not words like "do", "you" or "believe".
Thank you Jonathan Pageau!! I see Christ in you through your humility of letting others speak first! James 1:19 "Let every person be quick to hear and slow to speak"
Love him❤
Love him❤
@@AC-mp7cx I care when people interrupt during a conversation. Who does NOT care? Conversations should be civil ..and a rule of civil discourse is: Do not interrupt.
@@Featherfinder he needed to interrupt to call MH on his bs
Hence why God gave us 2 ears and one mouth lol
Jordan, you're the best in the game. Massive respect to the other two gentlemen as well.
Phenomenal, if heated conversation
Every few minutes into watching this conversation I kept feeling compelled to liking the video, just to realize once again that I had already done so!
Allah Glory to him said:”Those who say, “Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary,” have certainly fallen into disbelief. The Messiah ˹himself˺ said, “O Children of Israel! Worship Allah-my Lord and your Lord.” Whoever associates others with Allah ˹in worship˺ will surely be forbidden Paradise by Allah. Their home will be the Fire. And the wrongdoers will have no helpers.-72-Those who say, “Allah is one in a Trinity,” have certainly fallen into disbelief. There is only One God. If they do not stop saying this, those who disbelieve among them will be afflicted with a painful punishment.-73-Will they not turn to Allah in repentance and seek His forgiveness? And Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.-74- The Messiah, son of Mary, was no more than a messenger. ˹Many˺ messengers had ˹come and˺ gone before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They both ate food.1 See how We make the signs clear to them, yet see how they are deluded ˹from the truth˺!-75- Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “How can you worship besides Allah those who can neither harm nor benefit you? And Allah ˹alone˺ is the All-Hearing, All-Knowing.”-76- Say, “O People of the Book! Do not go to extremes in your faith beyond the truth, nor follow the vain desires of those who went astray before ˹you˺. They misled many and strayed from the Right Way.”-77- The disbelievers among the Children of Israel were condemned in the revelations of David and Jesus, son of Mary. That was for their disobedience and violations.-78- They did not forbid one another from doing evil. Evil indeed was what they did!-79- You see many of them taking the disbelievers1 as allies. Truly wicked are their misdeeds, which have earned them Allah’s wrath. And they will be in everlasting torment.-80- Had they believed in Allah, the Prophet, and what has been revealed to him, they would have never taken those ˹pagans˺ as allies. But most of them are rebellious-81- You will surely find the most bitter towards the believers to be the Jews and polytheists and the most gracious to be those who call themselves Christian. That is because there are priests and monks among them and because they are not arrogant.-82- When they listen to what has been revealed to the Messenger, you see their eyes overflowing with tears for recognizing the truth. They say, “Our Lord! We believe, so count us among the witnesses.-83- Why should we not believe in Allah and the truth that has come to us? And we long for our Lord to include us in the company of the righteous.”-84-So Allah will reward them for what they said with Gardens under which rivers flow, to stay there forever. And that is the reward of the good-doers.-85-“ Al-Maida Al Quran Al-Kareem
In the name of Allah the most gracious the most merciful
Allah Glory to him said:
Indeed, Allah chose Adam, Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of Imrân [father of Mary] above all people. -33- They are descendants of one another. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing. -34- ˹Remember˺ when the wife of ’Imrân said, “My Lord! I dedicate what is in my womb entirely to Your service,1 so accept it from me. You ˹alone˺ are truly the All-Hearing, All-Knowing.” -35-When she delivered, she said, “My Lord! I have given birth to a girl,”-and Allah fully knew what she had delivered-“and the male is not like the female. I have named her Mary, and I seek Your protection for her and her offspring from Satan, the accursed.”-36- So her Lord accepted her graciously and blessed her with a pleasant upbringing-entrusting her to the care of Zachariah. Whenever Zachariah visited her in the sanctuary, he found her supplied with provisions. He exclaimed, “O Mary! Where did this come from?” She replied, “It is from Allah. Surely Allah provides for whoever He wills without limit.”-37- Then and there Zachariah prayed to his Lord, saying, “My Lord! Grant me-by your grace-righteous offspring. You are certainly the Hearer of ˹all˺ prayers.”-38- So the angels called out to him while he stood praying in the sanctuary, “Allah gives you good news of ˹the birth of˺ John who will confirm the Word of Allah and will be a great leader, chaste, and a prophet among the righteous.”-39- Zachariah exclaimed, “My Lord! How can I have a son when I am very old and my wife is barren?” He replied, “So will it be. Allah does what He wills.” -40- Zachariah said, “My Lord! Grant me a sign.” He said, “Your sign is that you will not ˹be able to˺ speak to people for three days except through gestures. Remember your Lord often and glorify ˹Him˺ morning and evening.”-41- And ˹remember˺ when the angels said, “O Mary! Surely Allah has selected you, purified you, and chosen you over all women of the world. -42- O Mary! Be devout to your Lord, prostrate yourself ˹in prayer˺ and bow along with those who bow down.”-43- This is news of the unseen that We reveal to you ˹O Prophet˺. You were not with them when they cast lots to decide who would be Mary’s guardian, nor were you there when they argued ˹about it˺.-44- ˹Remember˺ when the angels proclaimed, “O Mary! Allah gives you good news of a Word1 from Him, his name will be the Messiah,2 Jesus, son of Mary; honoured in this world and the Hereafter, and he will be one of those nearest ˹to Allah˺.-45- And he will speak to people in ˹his˺ infancy and adulthood and will be one of the righteous.” -46- Mary wondered, “My Lord! How can I have a child when no man has ever touched me?” An angel replied, “So will it be. Allah creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He simply tells it, ‘Be!’ And it is! -47- And Allah will teach him writing and wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel,-48- and ˹make him˺ a messenger to the Children of Israel ˹to proclaim,˺ ‘I have come to you with a sign from your Lord: I will make for you a bird from clay, breathe into it, and it will become a ˹real˺ bird-by Allah’s Will. I will heal the blind and the leper and raise the dead to life-by Allah’s Will. And I will prophesize what you eat and store in your houses. Surely in this is a sign for you if you ˹truly˺ believe. -49- And I will confirm the Torah revealed before me and legalize some of what had been forbidden to you. I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so be mindful of Allah and obey me. -50- Surely Allah is my Lord and your Lord. So worship Him ˹alone˺. This is the Straight Path.’” -51- When Jesus sensed disbelief from his people, he asked, “Who will stand up with me for Allah?” The disciples replied, “We will stand up for Allah. We believe in Allah, so bear witness that we have submitted.” -52- ˹They prayed to Allah,˺ “Our Lord! We believe in Your revelations and follow the messenger, so count us among those who bear witness.” -53- And the disbelievers made a plan ˹against Jesus˺, but Allah also planned-and Allah is the best of planners.-54- ˹Remember˺ when Allah said, “O Jesus! I will take you1 and raise you up to Myself. I will deliver you from those who disbelieve, and elevate your followers above the disbelievers until the Day of Judgment. Then to Me you will ˹all˺ return, and I will settle all your disputes. -55- As for those who disbelieve, I will subject them to a severe punishment in this life and the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers. -56- And as for those who believe and do good, they will be rewarded in full. And Allah does not like the wrongdoers.” -57- We recite ˹all˺ this to you ˹O Prophet˺ as one of the signs1 and ˹as˺ a wise reminder. -58- Indeed, the example of Jesus in the sight of Allah is like that of Adam. He created him from dust, then said to him, “Be!” And he was! -59- This is the truth from your Lord, so do not be one of those who doubt. -60- }} Al-Imaran Al-Quran Al-Kareem
Can you please meet and have these kind of coversations consistently, and have a topic to discussion each time? Because we need more of these conversations.
He has a lot of these conversations.
Yes, we need everyone to participate though. Because we live in democratic seystems
Yes. Without Jonathon. The man just stayed silent and refused to engage the whole time, especially when Hijab gave objective and rational criticism to Christian doctrines. Pathetic. Why was he invited? Lmao. Invite someone else.
Unfortunately Dr. JP stays busy. Travels a lot after all Allah has blessed him with a voice of reason. He is a very honest and reasonable man. This discussion was what he had promised hijab in their previous discussion. I don't think we will these two again. I hope they do meet again though.
I don’t see that philosophy most of the time and philosophy is waist of time and this is the real problem with Dr. Peterson he is good in his psychology knowledge but regarding religion he is kind of lost cause religion must be combined with reasoning and facts and evidences in addition to spiritual faith
The purpose of life is Love.
To know, love, and serve God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength. Then you will be able to love your neighbor as yourself.
maybe in bisounours world
Does this conversation continue? if yes how can I find the rest of it?
He was soooo shaky (weak) when he came back in the public eye after almost dying from kicking benzos. Man, does he ever bring the fire and thunder......now that he has healed some. My God, it warms my soul! God bless, the Good Doctor!
It's inspiring to see someone overcome all kinds of unbelievably difficult adversities and then to rise back to the top, living by his own advice.
Bravo, Dr. Peterson. Bravo. ❤ God bless.
😑Jordan is 💨 running from reality. He won't accept truth even if it was proven to him. This just shows his lack of sincerity. But he will cry on cue. ISLAM is the truth, but he refuses to accept because of his ego.
@@equityjustice2695 I'm not sure where you're coming from... it kind of sounds like you're forcing him to unquestionably adopt a religion that comes from a culture very different to his own. Is that truth?
@@equityjustice2695 You don't know for a fact that Islam is the truth, just like how no one on this earth knows all truths. Dogmatism was discussed in this video and you are displaying it clearly now! JP is plenty sincere and your letting your own beliefs cloud an objective judgement
@@SM_zzz that's not what I wrote?🤷♂️ Where did you get forcing anything on anyone. 🤔 Maybe your biases are projecting thoughts into your mind.
I am a Christian and have visited many Muslim countries I.e Jordan - Palestine- Egypt - Morrocco - Pakistan - Algeria - kula Lumpur- Kuwait and have had many conversations I feel so at home there and most of my best friends are Muslim ' some of us can't speak each other's language 'still very close ' translators/text.
Really loved this video and it's true that we are very similar and get a long good .
Just the media makes it like we are enemies -
Don't take my word for it just travel and you will see for yourself .I have the up most respect for all my brothers ...
We certainly not enemy in humanity, but we Christian are the enemy of demons who create Islam, Sunni and Shia wicked religion.
The only way to the father is through Jesus Christ!
@@RubberTag Ok to you is your religion and to me is mine! That doesn’t mean we can’t respect each other as humans.
@@knightara Unfortunately for an extremely massive amount of the population of both communities you Mentioned There's plenty of reasons. If you actually interpret the word as the word of God and/or It's Allah to be literal in its interpretation then From the Christian perspective all muslims will burn in hell for eternity and all christians need to die as an infidel should
Most people that have the views of what you're saying cherry pick from their religion and believe and don't believe What it is they feel like it's ridiculous how many people that are religious have never actually read through the text and we're just indoctrinated at a young age and told I mean of course If God is all forgiving that even if you do screw up you can always come back so just live your life how you want I mean it's so contradictory and ignorant
I think we need the part two of this debate
Jordans so bright, and sensitive. Virtuous.
Hijab on the other hand, always a competition which he needs to dominate intellectually. Yet its substantively weak, imo. To give him credit though, here he engaged Jordan in I guess his best version. So well done too Hijab. More of the same please.
Turning it into a sermon by Hijab at the end...boo, haha
Conversations like this are all too rare. I thank these three people for gathering here.
Christian’s who prefer modern liberalism over Islam are much further away from Jesus’ teachings than Muslims are
this guy Hijab is a big mess. He is a trouble maker.
@@amitdangwal3041 why ?
@@akrlafoleak5168he’s a Hindu. They think from their ass don’t worry
@@amitdangwal3041Those who disbelieve spend their wealth to repel from Allah’s path. They will spend it, then it will become a source of sorrow for them, and then they will be defeated. Those who disbelieve will be herded into Hell.
SURAH AL-ANFAL AYAT 36
إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ يُنفِقُونَ أَمۡوَٰلَهُمۡ لِيَصُدُّواْ عَن سَبِيلِ ٱللَّهِۚ فَسَيُنفِقُونَهَا ثُمَّ تَكُونُ عَلَيۡهِمۡ حَسۡرَةٗ ثُمَّ يُغۡلَبُونَۗ وَٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوٓاْ إِلَىٰ جَهَنَّمَ يُحۡشَرُونَ
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson is quite literally the gift that keeps on giving. 🙌🏽 THANK YOU 🙏🏽
Hijab the joke that keeps me laughing
Pakistan is a terrorist state
A gem from
Canada
Also he was banned from twitter for annoying a girl that became a man right? So what does think of christianity that claims God became a man? Did God transition into an apartheid tribesmen creature? Is that why he stormed Al-Aqsa compound due to his belief that God belongs to the apartheid tribesmen's ethnicity?
He says that he wants peace, but then goes on to storm Al-Aqsa compound with that robot sounding apartheid tribesmen creature. Rather what he wants is perennialism among Muslims and zionism for them. Did this interview happen before or after his storming of Al-Aqsa? Look up the video.
I was always told that the trinity is beyond human understanding. But I started thinking. I am made in Gods image. What am I? I am mind , ( consciousness), i am body, I am spirit. All 3 aspects are me. And together all 3 are 1, which is me. Now this does not even come close to understanding the trinity, but it does kind of come close.
This same thought runs through my head every day 😅 nice to know there are others who do too
In Genesis in the middle of the garden of Eden were two trees 🌳 the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil..God created in His image and likeness..the tree of life represents Gods life and the tree of knowledge represents Satan's life..God's purpose of putting man in front of the tree of life was so that man would eat the tree of life so that he would express God..but man chose the tree of knowledge of which God warned Adam not to eat otherwise he would die but the devil tempted Eve who ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge and gave to Adam thus the nature of Satan entered into man thus the beginning of man and the first fall of man..before the fall there were no such thing as mankind but God kind because we were created in His image and likeness..because of the fall man became separated from God, hence the sacrifice of the lamb in the beginning.
In order for God to get into man, God had to become a man through incarnation to be the real sacrifice once for all for all our sins and to nail the old creation, the law, etc and death and Satan on the cross. And through resurrection to become the All-inclusive life giving Spirit that when we believe and confess that Jesus is Lord will be saved from there sins and receive the life of God to express God in life and nature but not His Godhead. (God the father in Christ Jesus as the Spirit flowing into man). The purpose of life is to express God here on earth for eternity not to go to heaven.
Islam we say we had rooh which is spirit and we have 3 souls. However God doesn't haven't got any kids he is one and alone. Also we pray to him without any building ❤
@@sareedoahmed1751 Christians do too. We can talk to God the whole day. Technically there is no need for a temple or church, because the body has become the temple of God. ( as in you’re not the same person you where before him, you become devoted too God) A follower of Jesus becomes a part of the body of Christ. The Spirit of God lives inside you and helps you to follow in the footsteps of Jesus. The more you spent time in his presence, the more you start to look like him in your behavior.
Mr Jordan salute to you 🙌 🙏
As a Christian I found this absolutely fascinating. Thank you for this conversation!
I'm curious to hear what aspects of this conversation fascinated you, please?
Me too, please.
I can respond if you like. I suppose you could call me a Christian as I try to follow the words of Jesus and the bible, search for a closer relationship with God, and go to church meetings. The consistent “evidence” supporting my own belief in what (and who) I consider to be the way and truth has been the vast array of modern psychological, sociological and psychoanalytical findings that seem to fall perfectly in place with what God communicates to us in the bible, especially in Jesus’ teachings. Peterson points out quite a few more consistencies in this discussion, which I found fascinating. On top of that, I love his articulation of the idea that looking at stories in the bible as literal, historical, somewhat ephemeral incidences are in a way downplaying their eternal significance, because they were true then, they are now, and they will be in the future.
On top of that, I also loved hearing from Mohammed about the consistencies with modern life which his holy book have described. On the darker side, I do believe his fervent (and no doubt religiously dutiful) attempts to convince the other two of the higher value or more rightful place of his own religion was kind of missing the point of where this conversation was intended to go. I hoped the core similarities and differences would be discussed in order to reach a further understanding of how we can coexist without conflict, but as Mohammed had suggested a few times, unity is not his main goal.
What did you guys like/dislike?
Such a great discussion. I hope these 3 men can have more discussions in the future and with more time.
Christianity and Islam is religion of the East. Birthplace of the people and events happened in the East. Native American, Mexico, South America and indigenous people are religions of the West. Geographically. I’m not educated on that level of those people and they don’t even know the basics. Are you sure they have an IQ of 180+??! and university level???
Sorry, but I can’t take this conversation seriously now but I’m open to listen. Respectfully.
@UCVCWeR_4mXbAqRYLuf1Rsiw I hope less ppl like you sees this , just by the very first few seconds you made a negative assumption😂 .You belong to twitter my guy
Islam is a vision for life. It is a system for how to live on this planet with 7+ billion human beings and make sure everyone is taken care of. It makes heroes out of boys and it makes scholars out of mothers. This Deen of Islam is the correct solution for life, and the Secular system is man made garbage. if the conversation was more focused on solutions, then the discussion would be far less about subjective views and beliefs. or random claims like "i will look at this as a psychologist" or "no I would not accept something with enough proven evidence". In the end, This video ends up being great youtube click content for likes and followers.
@@MA-gv3wg I don’t think they were speaking in geographical terms when they say “Christianity and Islam are religions of the west”. I think they are speaking statistically with regards to the amount of people in the west that either identify as a Christian or a Muslim.
@@MA-gv3wg You simply did not understand what was mentioned.
And Islam, as a Muslim, we would never call it a religion of any specific place except that of the entire Earth.
So would a Christian, of his/her belief.
The topic at hand here, simply was in reference to the amount of people in it. As in those are the two major beliefs, in the West.
Amazing! Powerful!!
Another absolutely incredible conversation.
In spite of Hijab's continual attempts to frame the others there with his preconceived biases, JBP {in his age acquired wisdom} was able to keep the conversation steered in the direction of cooperation in conversation. Don't think this humble art has gone unnoticed.
Muslims operate to the point of suicide bombing based off preconceived biases and hatred based off hearsay then the speak down to us about peace there is lots of ego and arrogance involved
I met a wonderful friend in college, and was blessed to have a similar type conversation with her, in private. She is black, I am white. We were close enough to ask each other every question about the differences we have experienced without embarressment, shame, or mincing words. She remains a blessing in my life. I understand so much more now...
If we all had that, itd be the end of racism in this country.
Can I take to dinner both of you?
@@ghostrider2664 yeah if you want to stop the racism stop separating black/white people and all those ,, representation " shit are bullshit
What was the subject matter? Fried chicken and looting ? You must have gained so much enlightenment from a people with an average IQ of 85.
Still friends?
Mohammed Hijab really did an excellent job asking questions here to Jordan, I definitely learnt a lot from these questions, and I say this as a European Christian.
This is a Mohammed Hijab I’ve never seen before. Weird seeing him minimally confrontational and genuinely curious about people instead of stubborn
If more people like this were in power, what a wonderful world, we would have! 🤲
Do not be so confident. Many great rational minds have gotten to such positions and the timeless saying "power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" becomes relevant.
You don't want Hijab in power he is an Islamic supremacist, go watch him debate and speak at speakers corner. Peterson should not have done this sit down with him, it merely served as an ego inflation for Hijab, and the fact that he said he's essentially just like Peterson but younger is telling of his hubris.
@@KingZealotTactics I dont know Hijab and my comments were directed at Peterson but take your comment on aboard.
@@mswings6037 Well on that note I agree, we need more people like mr Peterson and definitely need them in charge.
*Who explains to us why the Koran says Christians believe God has a biological son!*
To all Muslims! Son of God means NOT SON! What is called the son of God is the word of God = god himself! Which has nothing to do with a child (son)! Thus, the Son of God is incarnated as the human Jesus and the human Jesus is therefore referred to as a son, which does not mean a son!
This type of conversations is very neccessary for the humanity!
We have learned so much and the amount of knowledge and wisdom between all of them was phenomenal!
I would love to see dr Jordan peterson debates dr Zakir naik . That would absolutely epic!
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Hebr 1,2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, *by whom also he made the worlds;*
as everyone can see the term Son of God refers to the Word of God = god himself! For through that God created the worlds! *what a mistake in the Qur'an!*
Son of God does not mean that God has a child in Christianity!
*what a mistake in the Qur'an!*
Son of God is a title referring to the Word of God!
This mohammad hijab is a terrorist supporter n have incited violence against other religions multiple times . He's a terrorist
Dr Zaik Naik smashed all Christian debaters ,,, Peterson can’t mess with him!!!! 😃😃😃
@@hannawurst6064 Christians Are unfortunately getting more and more idol worshipping people,, despite the fact the errors and mistakes in your Bible!!! By the way for which Bible are we talking about??? There are so many Bibles out there ?? And all are fully corrupted!!! 😃😃😃😃
This is the only instance where I saw Mohammed behave very nicely - Jordan, you are an amazing person and I wish I had one tenth of the goodness you have, in me. I hope your positive influence will spread to everyone.
He behaved very nicely on The True Geordie podcast.
No he was nice on the Fresh and Fit podcast
Jordan’s ability and presence to turn a vicious dog into a lamb is overwhelming! never seen momo be so respectful ! 👏🏼
Right. Maybe becouse he cannot pride himself with his intelligence over JP. Also I will argue his intelligence is just big words with 0 knowledge. And second it might be that JP has higher audience and that can work in his favor. Gaining some followers
It is shameful to answer Your Worst and dishonourable comment but I wanna say that Muhammad is a very Intelligent and Polite person, this 1 hour and 30 minutes proves that!!
But He is polite with Jordan like Persons not like you,
Those who can't answer or prove him wrong always claim that He is disrespectful🥱
@@Closelyreversed maybe you should search siig,david and Bob debating him on speakers corner. He gets defensive and insults them when when he have no answer. But have it your way. Proof will stil not change your mind.
Seems like tour just islamaphobic lol. Islam is the truth and the only truth .
@@Closelyreversedfirst of all Muhammad couldn’t read or write also didn’t he use god as a excuse to rape a 9 year old girl might wanna do more research on Muhammad
I would be perfectly fine seeing these discussions extended or added to in the future. We have more in common than we don't. Educational.
The US's 'Founding Fathers', already tried this approach of 'attempt to understand the muslim jackals, who kept killing & enslaving non-islamics indiscriminantly & without mercy or for amy apparent sane reason.
They were told that that's how it's written in the q'ran & haddiths, that's how it'll remain.
The result was a ban on muslims withim the US. Infortunately, Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnell, John McCain, Lindsay Graham & 1 or 2 other retards removed yhay law, in the 60's or 70's. That's treason & punishable by death.
muslims are blooded from an early age & are raised to - expected to inflict fear, terror & atrocities upon the infidels via the 7 types of jihad, on every occassion, while being taught to deceive manipulate & destroy everything that wasn't made via allah.
Look up taharoosh/taharuush.
The way muslims achieve their halal food, is the same way the satanist elites get their adrenalin packed blood from tortured children before they're killed.
They both pray to the devil & get along like a house on fire. To understand the reason why they always act like cut snakes, search for video & text on halal, adrenalin, epi-pen & adrenochrome processes.
All are part of the global cabal & must be forced to leave our countries - receive the penalty of death, if they don't comply.
I would also love to see more of a conversation, discussion, in detail and dissected , of the common grounds.
I'm almost a below average student, but when i listen to talks like these and watch documentaries, i feel i learn more, more than school offers, not that I'm dismissing the importance of school, but i love when people speak without the media and world pollution involved, it's really really amazing
If you’re interested in talks such as this, it’s obvious that you’re intelligent and curious. “Don’t let your schooling get in the way of your learning.”- said by someone smart. Read more and continue to seek knowledge.
@@omowhanre thank you
If this discussion speaks to you, try looking into Blogging Theology channel. There are bunch of topics of theism and even more specifically in depth on Islam being discussed at length.
peterson is a psuedo-intellect by definition. You'd get alot more listening to an actual intellect instead of these two.
You're not dismissing the importance of education, by pointing out the monotony of indoctrination, and the oppression of free creative thinking, within the modern education system.
This truly is so much better than calls to violence…
Listening to Jordan speak is and will always be something that massages my brain muscles. Its just so interesting how he can build images in your mind that youve just straight up had never thought on very strongly. Hes a MASTER word smith and a TREASURE for it to millions world wide ❤️ Id say he deserves a spot in history of his own, if i could just snap my fingers and make it happen.
0:00: 🗣 The speaker discusses the importance of initiating dialogue and understanding between people of different religious faiths, emphasizing the need to focus on commonalities rather than differences.
10:36: 🗣 The speaker discusses the importance of engaging in difficult discussions and exploring different perspectives in order to find common ground and address historical atrocities.
20:04: 🗣 The speaker discusses the complex issue of responsibility for colonial past and offers an alternative perspective to the notion that the ideology of the West can fix all problems.
28:51: ✨ The speaker discusses the purpose of life and the importance of unity and humility in faith.
36:37: 🎶 The discussion explores the role of worship, ritual, and music in fostering unity and integration within communities, highlighting the importance of celebrating and praising a higher power.
46:05: 📚 The discussion revolves around the concept of truth, unity, and the compatibility of Christianity and scientific narratives.
55:26: 📚 The speaker discusses the centrality of the figure of Christ in different religious traditions and the significance of symbolic interpretation in Christianity.
1:04:21: 🤔 The speaker discusses the complexities of belief, perception, and interpretation in relation to questions about God and texts.
1:13:05: 💡 The speaker discusses the psychological perspective on why people are drawn to the crucifixion story and the concept of confronting tragedy and hell in life.
1:23:05: 📚 Discussion on the power of belief, unity, and the evidence for Prophet Muhammad's prophethood.
1:32:40: 📚 The speaker discusses various prophecies and beliefs related to Islam and evaluates the concept of proof in faith.
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Thank you so much for this🙌❤️💯💯
You have done so well.
I need to book a class with u to learn how to paraphrase perfectly. U are awesome 👍
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Thank you for this practical information! :-)
Spectacular 😮
Not enough Jonathan Pageau! He is definitely the best listener. Love the discourse on music. Also the discussion about belief which must be lived-not only professed. These discussions need to be continued.
Jonathan posted a video on his channel explaining why he was the way he was in this discussion. He read Mohammad correctly.. you should go check it out.
@@WelcomeToJ just watched it. He's a very wise man!
*The ETERNAL GOD would do anything for you!!*
Even out of love for you he went to the cross as a human!!
Philippians 2:5-8
@@WelcomeToJ here on YT or his website? I didn't see it. Love to see it. Please pass on where to find.
Jonathan is a muslim?
love watching jordan peterson just listening those two having a conversation, like a big brother telling his younger brother's , yeah we are cool here!
Jonathan's patience is admirable here. Would have loved to hear more from him and hear him respond to certain things though.
There was an Owl who lived in an oak, The more he heard the less he spoke. The less he spoke the more he heard oh why can't I be like that wise old Bird..
@@wayne8736 amen
Muslims don't answer certain questions, due to looking pathetic and disgusting, if they do. It's pathetic.
Wow! This was mysitcal to say the least! I felt like a veil was pulled back that's never been lifted before. That being said, I want MORE! This needed to be 8 hours long at least, so they could each take their time and fully follow each thought, with multiple days even! God bless you all!
I really, really, really recommend the talk between Jordan Peterson and Sheikh Hamza Yusuf to you.
Your right that was amazing 👏
Read the quran already :/
It has been lifted before, just research more about islam sister :)
This wasnt mystical. It was actually quite silly. One guy believes in god and the other doesn't even know what god is ot means and overcomplicates every argument until you lose track of what the point is.
As a human. And the rule of learn something everydays. Comes with being an open mind. You do you ill do me. Lets work together and make this world great for the first time!!!!
For Hijab to put himself up beside Jordan is insane. And Hijab needs to listen, Jordan is really really being graceful and not going into Hijab & even defending Hijab, when he knows Hijab is not being honest & trying to push a narrative. Hijab know that Jordan can be much much harder
Jonathan Pageau had the patience to listen to all of Hijab sayings against our beliefs is wow... there were thinks that hurt me I would never be able to be quiet. Thanks Jonathan.
@@leegrant7333 ❤️✝️
To don't say anything is best way to show that . I think you just need to observe the posture and that's tells you who is who...
Probably because he would be owned in seconds like Peterson was
@@ryojs4286lol what?
@@ryojs4286 Good joke. Islam is a mouth breather religion
I am an Orthodox Christian and this is the first time I've heard of Jonathan Pageau. I'm on my way to his youtube channel now to learn more.
Jesus Christ was son of god 😂😂 lmao
His videos on symbolism are great.
@@Dense197 Nope! Read how the Prophet of Allah arranges weddings 👇
Sahih Muslim 1438a
Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): OAbu Sa'id, did you hear Messenger of Allah ﷺ mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Messenger of Allah ﷺ on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women;
and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us;
why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger ﷺ, and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.
Jonathan Pageau has helped me immensely on diving deeper into my Orthodox faith.
@@Dense197 I think we shouldn't talk about that here
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I love Jordan Peterson’s passion, intelligent clear mind, as for M Hijab, he kept on repeating the Quran for ever
The good humor in this video keeps it wholesome and almost fun. The restraint to not be offended from all of these men is very impressive.
I agree! The decision not to take anything personally and speak for a higher purpose means that petty things are moved past quickly and actually are taken in good humour. Good point!
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There is nothing to get upset about unless you can’t think critically enough to understand why someone may think a certain way,even if you think the opposite!!Its not necessarily that you agree,but you can see where they are coming from ,and then you just agree to disagree!!That in itself can move us forward and come to a common ground,if you are mad,you don’t grasp,you don’t accept and you go into your respective corners and the problem never gets solved!!!
*The ETERNAL GOD would do anything for you!!*
Even out of love for you he went to the cross as a human!!
Philippians 2:5-8
Let's also appreciate this conversation would probably be illegal to have or broadcast in quite a few Muslim countries.