Smoking Loon 212cc Predator Build
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- Опубликовано: 12 ноя 2020
- SoCal Motorized Bicycle Racing Association created a 212cc Spec class. We picked up this Nirve Smoking Loon cruiser to build and race in the new class. If you are interested in building a similar bike there are some parts on our website that could help. www.affordablegokarts.com
Seat tube motor mount p/n 12416
Seat tube jackshaft p/n 12419
Wide crank set p/n 12418
Rear sprocket p/n 12335
Front brake assembly p/n 12100
Twist throttle p/n 12120
Grips p/n 10580
Throttle cable p/n 10570
22lb valve springs p/n 14212 (New for 2021. Previous springs were 18lb)
PZ19 carb p/n 10590
Air filter p/n 10500
Billet connecting rod p/n 18240
Billet flywheel p/n 18410
Header kit: flange p/n 10614, tube p/n 22180/22220 & muffler p/n 12440
Breather filter p/n 18450
Clutch p/n 24550
#35 RLV gold chain p/n 24290 
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I built a beach cruiser with engine a while back it was mainly used by my buddy's to get beer down the street from my house it would do 45mph easy but the rims could not handle it and the brakes were scary. It also had spring forks. After getting the cops called on use for doing time lap race around the block with my buddy's I sold it to my brother he goes to work on it to save gas. I have a beach cruiser that I've been wanting to make a tryke with a motor on the back of it and a e bike motor on front so I can be used with gas or electric. And a locking diff it will be for my dad he told me all he ever wanted was a 1964 beach cruiser as a kid now that he old I figured a tryke conversation would be better. Lol👍👌✌️💯🏍️
Did you build the trike for your dad
@@teeg431 ya it wasn't cheap though I kinda want over board it can out nice I went with a small gas engine at the end my dad didn't want to much power but for the electric it a front hub I asked around and was told to go as big as possible because there not that great so I did it's okay perfect for my dad but if it was for me I did car for the electric as much and would go bigger with the gas engine but I like power it hard to find a way to put a lot of power out most of the parts don't handle more then 15hp I originally was going for 25 or more but couldn't find much converter that could transfer that much and no one really does tryke Wich make it cool at least I think so. Thanks for asking
You need to stop lying dude lol 😝
@@lesjones5684 okay sure
This is the most advanced motorized bicycle I have seen.
I have not done this yet, and I don't have kids. But if I ever have a son, this would be a super cool project to work with them on. Then when they get older, it would switch to motorcycles if they were interested. I would of LOVED to have this as a kid.
Really nice build guys. That bike you have there was a promotion bike for Smoking Loon Wine Co. I put together 30 of those out of the box for a local liquor distributor that my friend works for and I believe he still has one. The tires that came with it were really cool, they had a flame tread design. Yes Smoking Loon is a wine company.
Thanks for the background info on the Smoking Loon bikes. We thought it was such a curious name for a beach cruiser. Actually, it's a strange name for a wine company too LOL.
Interesting
Man a lot of work and effort well done on the motorized bike 🚲💯
Dang you guys are good engineers too. Keep up the good work.
Lots of power there for that little bike 😂
that was one sweet build brother god bless you and all of your family.
Thank you kindly!!
Nice job man.The bike looks awesome.You got some killer skills bro.That's really something to be proud of💯💯💯
You did a nice job. I love your creativity.
Awesome build, love seeing what you can do with these new honda clones
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Checking your site out man straight forward easy to follow content
Awesome build!
Thanks!
Very creative build.
Thanks!
You do quality work. Very nice.
Thank you very much!
Awesome build ✌️ 😎
Very Interesting and Informative video...
Thanks 👍
Beautiful bike build brotha!!(= I love my 212 cruiser more than any motorcycle they are so FUN and just CRUISE😁✌💚
way fun build over all..!!.
Very nice work.
Mint bike. Very stylish
Very impressive
.nice bike i like the frame
I just got given a predator engine, seeing this I know what I'll be doing with it, I'll be working on a build over the coming year, I have to make most of the frame and other fabrication as in the UK its hard to get these cruiser frames and every other bit without paying ludicrous shipping for what ultimately is a cheaply made part, luckily I have part files from the last one I made that should shave a few days off the build
Did you build it? I would like too see a British take on this.
This may be a lot better than the other yellow bike I had shown. This man put a lot of work into building it from scratch.
Awesome bike
Thanks ✌️
Do you add more oil considering the engine angle?
You got a new subscriber - thank you for your channel, and this very interesting project !!! LIKE # 586 (and btw. such a NICE color scheme design) ! Greets Frank
Me and my brother just finished building a 212 1970s stingray mini chopper it is gear for 80mph bone stock i was wondering wear u guy race at would love to see more video s love theses type of bikes good on gas and fun as heck
Just loved this build one sexy frame
Sub’d & Bell’d EXCELLENT work!!! Really slick. Thanks for demonstration
Where did you get those hydraulic brakes? Any idea on the front brake cable length?
Awesome build. Great narration!👍
Thanks so much!
Alot of moving parts but very good quality work .. also take my advice u can use metal skateboard bearings alone as a chain tensioner sprocket substitute works like a miracle .. my lil secret
Do you have to do anything to mount the predator vertically?
So cool!!
Scary!!!
This is sick
Thanks. Appreciate it!
How will this motor run with it turned with the head turned strate up like that will it get enough oil that way I like the idea grate video man ben looking for a way to get more room for the mortor thanks for this video.
Just add more oil. The 212cc motors have 2 oil suplies and drain ports.
Its a real nice piece of work and artistry . Put some moth balls with naphthalene in the fuel. I did it on a 2 and half horse power B & S GO KART IT SCREAMED HAD TO READJUST CARB BECAUSE IT RAN TI RICH ON FUEL AT TOP END REVVED LIKE CRAZY. SORRY ABOUT CAPS THIS PHONE IS PHUCKED
Looks good... but will the bottom end of your engine starved for oil on your crank assembly... and how will oill get to the valves guides at that angle the engine is in the frame....
We avoided this engine position for a long time for the reasons you mention. Two things ended up convincing us it will work. First, we saw a video of an engine running with a clear plexiglass side cover. The cam gear actually plays a big role in getting oil to the top end. Second, we had several friends run their engines upright without issue. As odd as it may seem, it works.
Anyone ever tell you that you sound exactly just like Owen Wilson? Amazing bike I have 2 80cc bikes about to start a 80cc mini bike and a 212cc bicycle soon.
Owen Wilson is a first lol. Good luck with your builds!!
You have no problems with oil lubricating the gears and such??
Would like to see more of what you have to buy one all together let me know ! do you have completed bikes for sale ?
That is the best motorized bike build I have seen! So the motor oils ok with the head up strait or do you have to do something special on the in side of the motor?
We resisted mounting an engine upright like this for several years. Without going into all of the details, simply put, we watched a number of friends do this successfully. Some of our friends are running their bikes at the track too which is the true torture test. We saw a couple damaged engines early on but they were experimenting with oil levels. Turns out you can use the same amount of oil as if the engine was flat (about 16oz) and you do not need any internal modifications.
@@agkracing140 Thanks for the info. Sure makes for an all around good build being able to mount the engine like that. Makes everything more compact like a motor cycle and also gets all that weight closer to the ground.
U should look into the tilitson 212. They have the same mods but come with 10hp stock
I just took a look at those. Seems like that's what the race promoter for the motorized bicycles was trying to accomplish with his 212 spec class. Like you said, the mods are similar and our race promoter was aiming for about 10hp with the mods he allows.
@@agkracing140 u could paint it like a 212 and mod it and no one would need to know
@@agkracing140 u could also look into tilitson 225 race engine. 17hp. And no one would have to know
Nice built! And I didn't get one thing/ may be cause I don't quite understand the clutch work. When you just pedaling without working engine the shaft of the engine spins as well through the jackshaft and should it start up the engine at the end? (but we want just pedal driving) Well can we just pedal drive without working engine? And can we start the engine from pedal driving?
When you pedal the bike with the engine off the two drive chains will rotate too. The engine will not start though because the clutch on the engines output shaft will just freewheel. That clutch doesn't engage until the engines output shaft spins a specific rpm. Once the engines output shaft reaches the engagement rpm, the clutch will start to lock up, otherwise it freewheels.
@@agkracing140 Now I see, Thanks a lot for your answer!
Hey guys! Another question from me Where can I find some info on how to prepare the new 212cc engine for installation, Here in this video you are talking about some things like governor?? Naming the carburator?? And other things like that, Sorry, but may be you’ve got the video on that task, cause actually I don’t know where to look for this items in the engine)) pls help
I’m seeing all the great engineering . I was hoping to just be able to use a 79 cc with a belt drive torque converter. So added an adapter to take the crank from 5/8 to 3/4. Now that I got the torque converter set up in from OMB. It does not line up! And the gear that goes inside near the seat post frame is now actually hitting the frame. And it’s too far inside and centered on bike to line up with the hub sprocket. I don’t know what to do except just give up and go with the chain drive gasbike motor kit that I bought. Ive moved engine as far left as I can move it and the engine remain mounted. Thanks. Any suggestions?
Our first suggestion is don't adapt one of those torque converters to a 79cc Predator. It takes power to run those torque converters and the 79cc engine has so little power to begin with. Also, the torque converter is nearly as big and heavy as the 79cc engine. However if you want to move forward, sounds like you need a jackshaft to work in conjunction with the torque converter. Email us at tech@affordablegokarts.com and we can share pictures with you of a bike we built using a torque converter and a 196cc engine. We used a jackshaft to make it all work.
@@agkracing140 Thanks for the advice. I didn't know the torque convertor would take all the power a 79 cc has. Even without a gov?
I found out after buying it the gear is too close to the seat post frame rail so it won't work anyway. Got to send it all back. Just wishing I could have had a belt drive system. With a torque converter that increased power. Now I have nothing and have to resort to a chain drive crap gear set up i got from gasbike. No matter what I research and learn, it is just not enough to make a 79 cc bike motor go down the road. Even with removing the governor. The 212 is too big to put in the bike frame. I guess no one has one of these without extreme engineering and $1000 in parts. I'm almost ready to just give up. I see now why so many use the two stroke motors. Even though the 4's are much better for a street bike.
Try a Firmstrong Chief or a Firmstrong Bruiser bicycle, the Predator 212 will fit right in. Including the exhaust muffler, air filter and carburetor.
The Firmstrong Chief is one of our favorite frames to use for motorized bikes. We've built a couple of them.
How much oil is needed to run these in the vertical position? I'm building a scrambler using a Lifan frame. Not using a jack shaft so scooting the engine over to the right isn't an issue since this frame is wider. But I know that means I will have to definitely get the front sprock alignment with the rear sprocket as perfect as possible.
We're using 16 oz.
It's a Marine Engine of 16 hp of Somesort? I Love It. 😂🤫✨️
212cc Predator engine, 7hp, from Harbor Freight
Did you starve the top end?
Great video bro I thought about building one of them motors for my channel also but right now I have all 2 strokes how do you like that motor so far
They come from China so they have some issues you might expect. But, when we tear them down and throw some quality performance parts in them, they are great engines. No complaints. The best thing about the power delivery is the torque. These engines have mad torque!
Cool build bro did u take governor out or naw?
What is the size of the rim set that you use in this build? Planning to do the same build design...
Thanks for the idea...
We used 24" wheels.
Incrível, 👍👍👍😊😊😊👏👏👏
More info on the wheel sprocket please. Im trying to build a predator powered bike and the and the current challenge is how to attach a 40 series chain and sprocket to the rear wheel
40 series chains are big and heavy so we always use #35 chain. We use mountain bike hubs with the 6 bolt pattern for the brake rotor. Instead of mounting the rotor on the hub we mount one of our sprockets which you can find on our website. affordablegokarts.com/collections/motorized-bike-parts
Awesome! Thanks for the link!!!
What sprocket do you recommend for a top speed of about 45/50 with the use of a 30 series torque converter?
... молодец парень!-, но для такого велосипеда нужны спицы мотоциклетные, а то возможны обрывы или загибы таких тонких спиц, здоровья тебе и удачи во всём!!!
The wheels we used were custom built and are very strong. We've broken many wheels in the past and finally came up with wheels that can handle the power. We appreciate your comment.
@@agkracing140 could you tell me your wheel and spoke combo please??
You made that beautiful gas tank. Couldn't you use it at the racetrack? 19:25 That tank is just Zip Tied on.
Our beautiful tank developed a leak with no time to fix it before the race.
How much use selling the clutch for?
How much money you invest in this project it’s awesome I like it 👍🏻
Not sure how much we have invested. The used bike and most of the parts we used were fairly affordable. We did spend a lot of money having those wheels built. We did all of the labor on the build ourselves so there is a lot of money saved in that area, we just had to invest our time. This was a fun build and well worth it!
u get the bottom rubber part of your shoe stuck between the top of the right peddle and the plastic casing on the pull start often?
Hasn't been an issue. We honestly don't really even pedal these bikes with the big engines. The 212 makes so much torque, you never have to pedal.
@@agkracing140 im just trying to nit pick 1flaw. im super jealous. im trying to replicate the jack shaft you put on this bike on my own
does your cam sharft get plenty of oil with the motor on the virtical the way you have it set up ??
Yes the engine gets lubricated when it's mounted vertical. A clear side cover was used to see how well the splash lubrication system does. The oil gets to the places it needs to go.
what size rim and what size tires
I’m curious about the oiling of the motor. Is there anything that needs to be done with that or what?
These engines use a splash oiling system. There is a dipper on the end of the rod that slings oil. Turning the engine upright isn't ideal for this system. However the cam gear gets involved and slings a bunch of oil which seems to make up for the dipper being at an odd angle. We hesitated doing this for a long time. Now that we've done it, we haven't had any issues. No modifications to the oiling system are needed. We use 16 oz. of oil.
@@agkracing140
What is the website for ordering necessary parts again?
For the jack shaft are those bearings pressed in the mount?
The jackshaft bearings are not pressed in. They are a tight fit with the bearing hangers but do not need to be pressed in. The bearings have a snap ring which helps keep them in position. We also thread each end of the jackshaft so we can put a bolt and washer on the ends which helps retain everything in position on the jackshaft in conjunction with spacers and lock collars.
You got any motorized bikes for sale like prebuilt? Im having trouble building mine even though i watched tons of videos, it was my first time and that one china motor i bought got me thinking i made a mistake on installing but later realises there was something messed up with the motor before they shipped it out to me, i was relieved knowing i didnt do nothing wrong cause i was like this shits impossible to install
We've considered selling the Smoking Loon and our Mongoose bike that has the big bore 79cc Predator engine (now 105cc's) and 2 speed jackshaft.
I_ Like_To_ Ruin_ Jokes. If you didnt do nothing wrong you did something wrong.
How do I order a vertical mounted motor plate? Does it come with any other supports?
Ive called several purpose built companies with no reponse. Ive found nothing on ebay.
Im reviving my build from 212cc from 10 years ago. My motor is stage 3 with a tourque converter. I Just need a frame to place it in.
Check out this page on our website for a Seat Tube Motor Mount.
affordablegokarts.com/collections/motorized-bike-parts
Nice sight. Thank for the help@@agkracing140
Isn't that a steel frame? You could have just cold set the rear dropouts to fit the wider wheel. No need for all that work. I took mine from 135mm to 175mm wide at the dropouts and chainstays to install a wider hub and wheels. Oh well, guess it makes yours unique. Great job though, really enjoyed the video. Liked & Subscribed.
Yes it is a steel frame and we have cold set frames before to fit the wider wheel. Cold setting worked for us but it did have its issues. With this one we figured we would just re-configure the rear triangle since we have the tools to do it.
Wow a cycle on a engine ,whode a thought
Can you build me one of these? If so , how much? This is a serious inquiry.
How do I purchase one lol
18:15m This was my original build design I had to abandon bc of workshop issues. KISSed me off. Corporate Landlord literally stole 6 trailer loads of my life.
Just a suggestion but try one with a predator 420 turbo with its power mods and make it go as fast as possible just a suggestion tho
The 420cc engines are close to double the size of the 212cc engine. We would have a hard time getting one of those to fit in a bicycle frame.
Can i put my Honda gx160 upright like this? Won't be a problem?
Yes, the GX160 can be mounted upright just like this 212cc Predator.
@@agkracing140 thanks man, awesome job!
Those damn speed bumps tho.
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Are you going to upgrade the engine to a 300 cc or 270 cc
The bike is currently setup for the 212cc spec class. If we ever decided to upgrade the engine for something else we would build the 212 with performance parts however it will remain 212cc.
@@agkracing140 thank you for the feedback tell me about that but I want to turn Predator 212CC into a 270cc because my friend turning his beach cruiser Huffy Fat Tire Bike steel frame and he is putting a 212 cc predator engine but anyway good job on that bike
How does gas go up that long a manifold
The vacuum from when the piston goes down will draw the air/fuel through the manifold.
@@agkracing140 wow
Can you really mount this like this ? Without oil problems
The engine gets lubricated with no issues when mounted upright like this. It's been done many, many times.
Thank you for responding I was going to cut my bike up lol this will help me alot
@@donay3773 did it work out I want we want to see it🙂
@@donay3773 for 212 add 4 more oz of oil and youll be fine mounting upright.lots of the 4 strokes guys does that because it looks cool the mounting flat .
Which brand tyres and rim on the bike
24" Hookworm tires on custom built 24" rims
Is that frame Steel? Great job btw
Yes it's a steel frame.
@@agkracing140 Oh I remember you guys now..you guys ran the unlimited 4stroke class about 10yrs ago at the Grange. I ran the 2 stroke but I remember your bike locked up the rear wheel in the front straight. Glad your still in business
@@agkracing140 you can I buy one of those bikes rebuilt just put together a minimum parts
Send me a details of how I would purchase a bike from you the 212 motor and the racing frame with front shocks d8skreaks
How much would it cost and where would it send the money in hell how not now
Where did you get the engine
The 212cc Predator engines come from Harbor Freight. We stock a bunch of performance parts for them and build them at www.affordablegokarts.com
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Not really cat people. Always have been dog people. Only brought those cats to the shop to control the rats. I have to say they've grown on us and there is no longer a rat in sight.
how fast is it?
The top speed depends on the gearing we choose. This bike will go over 60 mph if we geared it that way.
How did you figure out the oil level?
We have friends and customers who have mounted their engines upright way before we ever built this bike. So we were able to use their experience with various oil levels to get ours right.
Do you guys sell these
We do not sell complete bikes ready to go. We do sell a bunch of parts that will help people who want to build their own.
Rolmfao I’ve never heard rear drop outs called “triangles” 😂
My dad said that if you don’t position a Predator 212cc engine up right not all the oil will get all around the engine and it might blow up
Your Dad's thinking is correct but not entirely true. These engines use a dipper, splash oiling system and one would think the system will not work efficiently when tilting the engine up. We thought the same thing until we saw an engine with a clear plexiglass side cover. Once you can see inside the engine you start to realize why they still survive in the upright position. This is our first upright engine build because we were not always onboard with doing this however we have friends who did it years before us and they are still running strong!
Needs a triple tree
При сильном наклоне и двигателя нарушается система смазывания деталей внутри двигателя.
Do you think a 12 horse Honda motor would work for a bike
Engines like a GX240/270/390 are way too big for a bike. Even these 212's are too big in our opinion. The perfect engine (in our opinion) for a motorized bike is a 79cc Predator. They are compact and powerful for their size.
Hola
the motor looks like an iron horses head
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We ? You and your other self ?
While watching this I just had visions of seeing my balls and shorts totally on fire at some intersection. Perhaps a he should consider place to mount a half dozen bottles of spring water on the bike
Wheres your helmet man cmon kids watch this kinda stuff so its important you set a good example. My nephew loves this kind of stuff but hates wearing a helmet and ive been working on getting him to realize wearing a helmet is not only safe and necessary but cool too so whenever u ride in your videos please have a helmet on at the very least. Its just good sense. Great video otherwise and a sick bike!
Shut up, karen
Too many people in the world anyway.
40k in tools and machine to build