Who is REALLY THE GOAT Point Guard?? 🤔
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
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I like PG’s overall take on debates about the goat, no one’s really wrong
Agreed. It's all opinions anyway
Anyone who says Curry is better is wrong. Magic a top 5 player ever. Curry a top 15. It’s not that close. Anyone who picks Curry has zero basketball iq 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡
@@bachtunaThere are like 12 players that could be considered “top 10 worthy”. Steph Curry is one of them. I think Magic is definitely better but it’s closer than you’re making it seem
@@MattHawkesPurdydon't pay attention to him he's using clown faces clearly looking to Trigger people
Except if you think bronny is the goat in which case that is absolutely wrong
PG gave a really intelligent answer
Not really.
I get his point though.
@@cmack17it really was intelligent, but I see you’re one of the ones he was talking about. Empty souls that just wake up and look to debate kills the sport🤷🏾♂️💯
Definitely 💯
@swaggyardigan
1. It was not intelligent. I get his point though.
2. G.O.A.T means GREATEST OF ALL TIME. The greatest means the best, as in a singular player. There cannot be multiple GOATs in one grouping, unless you are saying they are tied for 1st.
3. I have never in my life had a debate about who the GOAT is. The conversation is pointless to me. It is typically a conversation about who someone's favorite player is. As a general rule, I do not debate personal preferences.
@@swaggyardiganits not even dat deep fr basketball is still very much alive n well😂
Bro, Mike is not immuned to bias and preferences. PG is right.
Thank you. 👏🏾
Excellent point
Remember when he said Steph wasn’t in the Hall of Fame yet?
Bro thank you another man who think for his self !! dam just cause mike say it that mean it’s law?? No bro he can’t even judge the talent necessary to take his own franchise to the promise land or even make them respectable but year after year he’s failed horribly and everybody still think his word mean everything
MJ gonna drop 40 on your dome
@@Omrta_rvrdtrue but it’s not fair to judge his ability or lack there of to draft on his ability to recognize greatness that actually played great
If MJ was a great judge of talent and where it fits as needed then he would still be the owner of the hornets
savage
Fact
You do realize Jordan is gonna make over 2.5 billion off that hornet sale right? Sounds like a genius to me.
@@br5073talkin ab recognizing bball talent bro not making moneu
@@br5073cool he knows hot to conduct business outside of running a nba franchise and building a team but what does outside business dealing that stem from him selling the hornets got to do with the fact he has ran them horribly for years?
It's finalized, Michael said it😂😂😂😂😂😂....
😂😂 tha shit got me cracking up
There's no way MJ is sending SAS a long worded essay about the Magic vs Curry debate. He's more likely to text him "stfu fool"
😂😂😂😂
“You better take yo trash ass out my shoes.”
Well it would be dumb for Stephen A to lie about what Jordan said when he can easily dispute it. It’s clearly true
@@garytaylor8616 SAS has been caught lying about his sources multiple times. Just a few weeks ago, he said Lonzo couldn't even sit down 😂
Mj is challenging steph to pick another championship ring and that is great for us fans. Whenever curry is motivated the beast in him explodes
Your right he is. I thought I was the only one who thought about thar but a motivated curry is someone you ain’t tryna go against 😂😭 you gone have to guard him as soon as he gets to the arena
Bro stop it😂😂😂. Mj's ass was NOT trying to motivate curry he was just backing up his friend magic like we all would do in a similar situation
@arvin9425 so in other words, he's biased
Very Well said by good dudes.....
he ain't get no text from Mike 💀
edit: yall chill I was js playin 😭
but Ben Simmons is the goat pg...
Ong bro😭
Would you be surprised if he did? Jordan is notorious for manipulating GOAT debates. That's why he funded a documentary about himself
@@tealtabbycat what is your point MJ has never once called himself the GOAT he has said that his last championship team was the best team of all time
@@tealtabbycateverybody wanted a doc of him how is that manipulating?😭so will it be the same thing when bron drop his? Or Kobe’s?
He usually doesn’t but this time he did which is why he printed it out and spent 2 shows talking about it, framing it.
Thats the smartest shit PG has ever said. Sports media and social media have toxified this discourse so bad that ppl think they can actually give a "right" answer to these questions. When there is no way too.
Magic Johnson is no doubt the G.O.A.T for what traditional point guards are, PG are supposed to be floor generals and nobody was a better floor general than Magic
Being on a stack team helps with that too, talent like he had makes the job easier. Curry started with nothing and built his
@TheTaekwon3 bullshit he always had talent around him. Even his rookie season although the team sucked he had Monta Ellis 25.5ppg and Corey Maggette 19.8ppg that's two 20ppg scorers around him. He got even more talent as Mark Jackson and the front office developed more talent around him and Ellis
@@King_Mac80 So we gonna compare Monte Ellis and Corey Maggaette to Kareem and James worthy?
As someone who saw the Lakers play since around ‘85, when I started following the NBA, Magic ran Showtime. Kareem and Worthy were great weapons, but without Magic getting them the ball or easy fast break points, the Lakers suffered. It was like night and day when was Magic on the bench or missed a game due to injury. He was the ultimate team player and leader.
@@Ryenobal To be fair you can say the same thing for Steph. Whenever he's on the floor there up by like 10, then he sits and there down by 3 when he's finally gets back in, it happens really often
This is the greatest answer on this topic I’ve heard from PG
SAS didn’t get no text from Mike gtfoh 😂😂😂
Must have been Michael B Jordan.
I feel like they both have different playing styles so it’s hard to compare them
Edit:plus they played in different eras
If Tom Brady says Randy Moss is the best receiver ever we just gotta take that as law. Same with Michael Jordan! I’m a Steelers fan btw so it hurts to give Brady any compliments
Perfect PG!!! I think it shouldn't be Greatest Of All Time but rather Greatest of A Time
Rondo is the best. He turned 3 bums into hall of famers. Before him Ray was so bad his franchise went bankrupt,KG had to leave his town and Pierce was shitting his pants. He got there and they all reached their true potential
Paul George is right!! Thanks Bruh!!
It’s such a great answer. And the way he starts it off is PERFECT; ‘this debate stuff is so annoying…’
It. Is.
Magic Was a point forward on a championship show time laker before he was drafted. A lot of players get flowers for already being in a no lose situation.
Now I can’t unhear the Charles Barkley impersonation 😂
The debate stuff is the basis of hella podcasts especially sports ... so annoyed or not IT IS WHAT IT IS
I agree. Even with quantifiable evidence like statistics to support one’s point, the goat debates will always be the most subjective arguments of all time. Nobody will ever “win”. It’s like trying to argue what the greatest film of all time is. The average cinephile would say the godfather or citizen cane. Then someone will name some off the wall French film that nobody’s ever heard of. It’s just subjective to each person’s taste, personality, life experience, etc. I used to argue all day about these things with my friends but then I came to realize that in reality it doesn’t really matter.
Have we forgotten MJ was a GM, MJ definitely has an eye for talent.😅
name one talent
if MJ had an eye for talent, the hornets would be a succesful franchise and not a bottom tier team for their entire lifespan in the NBA ☠️
The word of the day is sarcasm!
@@mr.takeyobih209Kwame Brown 😂
@@aceman6861 lol no one got it
It’s insane to me how if you go watch basketball from the beginning it’s literally 4 different playstyles basically 4 totally different games and we try and compare them to one another … every era has a different Goat . It’s not like other sports when the game basically stays the same over a 40-50 year period
Such an intelligent response.
You have restored my faith in basketball opinions. Thanks
Do you even know wtf you’re talking about? I don’t care about the era! There is such a case of impact. You ask coaches, gm’s, owners, no player has EVER impacted the game to the DEGREE in which MJ has! No matter the era.
@@terrancebrown754Elaborate. How was Michael Jordan a more COMPLETE PLAYER than LeBron James. I’m not talking TEAM success, I’m talking about a PLAYER’S impact.
@@terrancebrown754 bro they literally talkin about adding a 4 point line because steph got players shooting from 35 ft . Nobody gives a damn about your Jordan nostalgia. He didn’t change the game he just sold a lot of shoes in a big man era
I see Steph as more of a SG than a PG.
Yea & No cause he average 7 assists a game for his career so he definitely a Point GOD 💯 Best PG of this ERA has DWN 💯🥊🥶🥶
@@kingboobie29127 hell Trae young average more and everyone down on him
@@raulromero2948 Shiid idk 🤷🏽♂️ why Trae Young is a Star ⭐️ I would rather have him at PG then more than half of the league Steph jus my favorite player right now been following him since college Davidson 💯
You can't cope by saying Steph isn't a PG so that he can't be greater than magic at the position. Using 80s ideas of what a position should do in 2023 let it go
@@kingboobie2912Wilt Avged 7.8 and 8.6 assists in back to back seasons. Jokic has averaged over 7 assists for 5 seasons in a row. Are they point guards too?
PG is smart as hell
Comes down to preference imo
Finally end the debates and just enjoy the game. They are all the goats because they added different parts to the game.
SAS got a track record of lyin his ass off too 😂
There can only be one 🐐 and thats Magic
Finally, someone who understands how debates are a huge waste of time, because nobody ever concedes anything, they just double down on the argument.
Nobody ever says "you're right!".
, Why is Iverson called a SG but Curry isn’t?
Cuz it is. Players like Iverson scorers, shooters were the SG. PG were true pg at this time like Nash Kidd JWill. They were supposed to facilitate. Ja would be considered a SG back then for ex. Basically every elite scorer Point guard would be SG back then. Thats why today we talk about combo guard like Harden or Doncic who can do both playmake and score
The only difference between Steph and AI is size and one specializes in 3PT while the other in the midrange. They are both combo guards whose teams depend on them to SCORE not really Quarterback the floor.
Because curry runs the offense as a whole Iverson played basically exclusively iso ball while curry still runs plays and is expecting to make plays for his team
I don’t know who’s the 🐐 for the Small forward position, but I know PG is the 🐐 of Podcast. Podcast P!!
The greatest pg in history is andrew bogut who gaf what Michael Jordan says he a scrub😂
Facts the debate has always been Andrew Bogut vs Brian Scalabrine.
Idk wtf MJ talking bout
yall wildin , ion wanna hear no goat pg debate without mentioning hasheem thabeet
Al Farouk aminu disrespect is crazy
PG position has changed so much. Depends on the surrounding cast. Also, it's just hard to compare different eras
Everybody secretly and publicly know it's JEFFREY!🤦🏿♂️
“Nobody’s wrong” is the key response to this. You can list many reasons why Jordan feels this way, and you can lost many reasons Curry is the one. These are just great players.
PG is right. Impeccable.
The truth is at this point there’s even centers that can playmake. And point guards who can rebound at a high clip. Whether you go traditional or modern. You can’t pin point success. Anything can happen.
We have seen shooting point guards. Steph and the Warriors offense and success is based off his shooting. Not his playmaking or passing. So does that change when we think of positioning roles in the game of basketball just because the warriors shoot a lot of threes and make a decent percentage of em. No the roles remain the style of play changes. Magic is a PG but adjusted when needed too. Game 7 rookie year says it all. Walking Triple double. Pts Assist Rebounds.
Both are the right answer for different reasons. If you value pure playmaking as the most important PG stat its Magic, if you are saying scoring is the above all importance while still playmaking… its Steph. Id put it like this… Magic is Magic in any era because passing and running the fastbreak is still as important as ever in even todays game look at Giannis… tbh Giannis is the scoring focused version of Magic in a way. And in any era with the 3 point line Steph is gonna be Steph because 50/40/90 in any era is all time elite efficiency
realisticlly ALL LIVING GOATS should have a list together so this dont keep getting outta hand this a game of innovations and basics
Michael said it.... also he did the same to draft people tho
Alot of people sleep on Oscar "Big O" Robertson
Debates are supposed to be fun. Nothing more. As a fan, It’s fun to compare the greats to one another. Thats the beauty of “barbershop talk” It becomes toxic once you have people that take things waaaay too seriously.
No one should band wagon of what anyone says even if it’s the goat himself. The fact Jordan said it doesn’t necessarily make it true. He was right during his time or era but nowadays with young and sprouting players you never know where they’ll end up. Luka for one, is a great passer and player. He can even get better. Also Booker and Tatum are young players who can excell much more than they are and are really good already! Also Trae young a great PG who can play and pass really well too. We just have to wait a few years until some players retire and decide then. I think just assuming stuff is not right.
FACTS
Everytime I hear PG talk now, all I hear is “I’m gunna airball again”
I 100% agree because if magic came to our gen he would not be greater than Steph but if Steph went to magics gen he wouldn’t be better either. What I kinda have to say for this situation is if I could choose any point guard in nba history to run my team I would choose Steph
I feel like it should be at least 2-3 goats in every position. So many people have played & it’s a handful of greats my opinion tho
It's called opinions. Geesh
Great take on this. The whole "GOAT" conversation can get really ridiculous. It's really who is the GOAT of their era. Comparing across eras is dumb because of how the game changed over time, how training and medicine has changed over time and the like.
Michael couldn't get the Hornets to a eastern conference finals, but he can determine who's the greatest...😅😅😅
😂😂😂😂
Jordan isn't the end-all-be-all 😂
I feel like P ain’t tryna ruffle any feathers with this answer because if we gon talk about revolutionizing the pg position into a “shooting” guard Gilbert Arenas never gets credit for that and following him when it came to revolutionizing it into a scoring position, D rose and Russ were doing that before Steph was even making the all star team. The real nba fans know 💯
None of those guys changed the game. Steph completely changed how the nba is today.
Im a real nba fan and you are wrong. Soo are you a real nba fan?
@@dex7891 I didn’t say changed the game, I specifically was talking about changing the point guard position just like mike and P were talking. And P still ain’t tryna ruffle any feathers, because the only right answer here is that Magic is the goat pg end of story.
@@dex7891those guys had to come along to pave the way to let steph play his style. Without the scoring point guard evolution in the 2000s Curry would've probably been stuck as a traditional PG.
Ofc he isn't trying to ruffle feathers. He still works with these people.
No one is disrespectful to Arenas and what he did. However, he will NEVER be the revolutionary because of how his career ended. Doesn't matter giw you FEEL, the NBA can't have gim as the guy.... AI is a perfect example of why he got snubbed A LOT and 1 day we gonna do a deep dive into what Dwight really did to get banned.
Rose went #1 & Russ went 4 in 2008, the year BEFORE Steph who went 7. Instead of looking at this from a 1v1 match-up that will NEVER HAPPEN let's just consider what we can.....
(We gonna ignore all those losses Russ took aganist the Warriors)
Rings aside because Curry would still beat 0, MVPs aside cause that unanimous still goes hard, let's try impact to the franchise......
Damn Curry wins that one too 😂
So real NBA fans say what now?
What about Isiah, Payton, Stockton, Nash, Kidd? Should they be in the convo too? 🤔
Michael also said let’s take Kwame at 1 so 🤷🏻♂️
Didn't Michael Jordan just sell the Hornets? We all make mistakes
Magic was the Leader of Showtime who drove his teams to 9 NBA Finals out of 12 seasons before his first retirement. Magic was the ultimate team player and floor general. Curry is a shooting guard adapted to play point.
So in other words, you don't know shit about ball
Well said pg
Casuals confusing 3pt talent with point guard skills 😂😂😂😂😂
Steph has the highest on/off the floor impact of any player to ever play the game. Yes, even higher than MJ. When he’s on the floor his team is 42% better than when he’s off the floor. Magic played with some of the best players to ever play. Put Steph with Giannis and AD right now. You don’t think they’d rack off a few chips real quick? Curry literally built the warriors dynasty. His star forward averages a triple single. Remember that…
@@joshuaearnheart2756 ....and yet his accolades still don't match Magic's let alone surpass him. Steph has all the characteristics of a SHOOTING guard with good handling skills. Their career avg. stats prove it clear as day, you acting like thanks to him theres a ton of EFFICIENT 3pt shooters throughout the league. Just because everybody is now jacking up more 3's than ever doesn't mean they're making most of them. Pay attention to the actual QUESTION being asked, best POINT GUARD, this how I know you don't know what the point guard's true responsibility is. Remember that. 😘
@@BoricuaFlavored league averages are MUCH higher from 3 along with attempts. What are you even talking about? Way wrong dog. Steph doesn’t need the ball to be effective. Finals against the Celtics when everyone said he wasn’t a “true point guard” he went out the next game and had like 14 assists. He can pass too. He just doesn’t have scorers to pass the ball to. That’s the difference cupcake. Kevon looney isn’t a scorer. For perspective purposes, he turned Javale McGee into one of the biggest lob threats in the league during his stint there. He’s been nothing since and was nothing before. STEPH created those opportunities for him. Just say you’re a casual
@@joshuaearnheart2756 wait aint klay thompson a scorer thou 💀wym he dont have scorer to pass to
Yes when the goat speaks that it.
Magic Johnson is ideal because he involves his teammates. Compared to latter guards.
Yes. The answer is yes.
If you’ve got the pantheon in gym shoes, are you taking Magic or Steph at the point?
Do you want to win or do you want someone who can shoot?
Cause Shaq is in the paint and Mike is on the wing and Bron is our Small Forward and Duncan is Power. You really taking the little guy who can’t guard anyone?
Didn’t think so.
Over oscar robinson hold up now
PG has a good point. They are the goat at the way they played their brand of basketball, and how they contributed on the court. Magic's greatest asset was his passing, and a lot of people would say he's the greatest passer of all time. All the while Curry is the greatest shooter of all time and that's unanimous. Both players have had amazing careers, and any team would be lucky to have them in their prime
Yeah but MJ doesn't know a lick of what it's like for a player to just bomb threes on other players and teams in the league. He played in an era where an entire team might not attempt as many threes as Steph does in a game, not to mention the percentages. There was nothing remotely comparable to someone shooting 15 threes in a game at a 45% clip, all while dragging multiple defenders away without even the basketball. Just completely different than what Jordan grew up with or played with/against.
We came to a point where people misunderstood what a point guard is that PG had to say "shooting point guard" out of confusion. Just simply say he's not a point guard but a shooting guard since he copied reggie, ray and rip who were all SGs. Dray and CP are their point on court.
Dray and CP study films pre game and post game to improve their team. Curry focuses on self scoring like all SG do
So many great players to say one is the best is an insult to the others
We can't do that magic still got it. Besides shooting. Magic got him everywhere fame college legacy rings def reb stl, blk. Steph still got time tho
PG is good at speaking
I been saying this.
Magic Johnson is the BEST. Diehard Warriors fan. Magic is still the MAN.
Their asked to do different assignments where as in magic coukd baby a little pg or be able to guard da 5 steph is a sniper asked to go out 20 3s up not rlly asked to guard to better player like kyrie or someone explosive so I feel like it depends on where u lookin from
Magic PLAYED the point in the point in the traditional since. Curry is a bit of an enigma in the since that he plays almost like a shooting guard. It's kind of interesting because it makes me think back to whe AI was actually moved to SG. I guess the first question that should be asked is what is the primary role of a point guard before asking who the greatest pg is.
MJ said that you really can’t judge who’s the greatest. He played in the 80-2000s. He didn’t play against players before or after. Had he been on other teams would he have won 6 rings. Would Bill Russell have won 11 on other teams. We will never know. It’s just fun for ppl to speculate and debate.
I can’t believe I’m the only one that caught this. It’s not about magic or Steph. Jordan pointed out the fact Magic has more rings than Steph. If rings are still the deciding vote, it puts him ahead of Bron.
It’s always about protecting his legacy vs Bron.
Paul George is right.
Stephan A Smith got the text from Michael B Jordan 💀
If Mike said it it's end of debate.
The real conversation is the evolution of the point guard position. Steph revolutionized it but smaller scoring first guards started in the late 90s. In today's game you almost have to have a point guard who is a bucket unless you've got great pieces around them. So few "true" point guards in today's game.
Need a new word to measure excellence…GOAT has lost all meaning
Got to get Steph on a episode
If you pick steph your wrong plain and simple it’s not even subjective magic accomplished way more than steph has plus steph plays more like a two guard.
I agree with PG
I think the bro was thinking clearly when he said they’re two different GOATS. but what I miss about the Magic, Jordan, Bird era is they all had an insatiable will to win which produced incredible competition. Seems like that’s missing now.
PG being diplomatic but he knows magic is better as a point guard but he know curry is 1of his peers and is A great player that happens to play the point guard position but most purest know if Curry wasnt a Elite shooter he would be a Turnover king and a waterd down Devin Harris or a seth curry upgrade.
There’s no A before the G in G.O.A.T
Unpopular opinion: it’s actually Stockton.
Yes people that put Curry that high is wrong
I like how PG put it. Magic is THE goat and Steph is A goat. Don’t argue with me about technicalities, it makes sense 😂
I agree with everything PG said, except one. There cannot be multiple GOATs. Magic and Steph are the GOTEs: the greatest of their eras.
It's never wrong to GOAT Magic and Bird for saving the league. People forget or just don't know that when those two came into the league, it was one step away from bankruptcy and Finals games were tape delayed in favor of reruns of Gunsmoke.
Well, he made a great point he say Magic is the goat Steph Curry is a goat. That one simple letter (a).
It all depends on which generation you grew up watching play.
John Stockton. Goat
As a postman I’d rather play with Magik JS.
Gotta include Russ or D-Rose in the debate as well. We wouldn’t see bouncy guards without them. Hell, even LeBron might be a good answer due to him revolutionizing the big PG aspect. Like PG said, nobody’s wrong, just different opinions.
Stockton was pretty good as well, sad he has no chips though.
MJ never had to guard anyone like Steph. Plus Magic passed the torch to Mike
Lebron boutta drop that “Steph the Goat” tweet just to piss people off lmao
John Stockton