Kia e-Niro Euro road trip part deux: Driving from Italy to England
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- In the previous part we successfully drove from England to Italy in the electric Kia e-Niro. It was a generally smooth journey with one charging hiccup and some pretty over-cautious charging by us.
So you’ll be wanting to know if we got back to England safely or if we were stranded in Belgium eating waffles...
This is the final part of the road trip itself but I will do a follow-up video discussing how we felt it went looking back (it was almost a year ago now!) so if you have any questions, please add a comment!
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Such a relief to finally have published these videos! I hope you find them interesting but I’m sure you’ll have a few questions. I’m planning to record a follow-up video later in the week - looking back at the trip almost one year later - so if you have any questions, ask them in the comments below and I’ll answer them then. Hopefully with my wife!
Hi this is amazing! Me and my family we live just outside London but my wife family lives in ( believe me or not) Cerenova! And we own electric vehicle so this is perfect guide for us.
Thanks very much and regards
Great video and really helpful ! I am also from Canterbury and have just got my first EV (Seat Mii Electric) and have had lots of fun driving it so far. I am thinking of doing a solo road trip to south France next month , but concerned if it will be do-able as my little Mii only has a 36kw battery ? I have noticed I can push about 160-180 miles range with it if I am driving at 60mph in ECO+ mode so maybe this would work if the autoroute drivers don't get too annoyed with slowish speed!
Great video, it just shows how difficult and expensive it is for Non Tesla's.
I know I am a bit (2y) late to the party, but love the montage of national anthems along the way, and great series in itself as well!
Thank you!
Well, you’ve nailed the pronunciation of ‘Liège’ spot on! :) Actually expecting my E-Niro (MY2020) this Friday, and we’re planning a trip to Switzerland end of August (starting from Belgium) so this video kinda makes me feel a bit less nervous about it ;)
Salut Christophe. Where are you going to stay in Suisse? We have had our e-Niro here in France since March 2019 and the first trip we did was to Lausanne. We stayed in the Discovery hotel which had free overnight charging. I recorded the trip on my channel ‘Kia e-Niro diaries’..Enjoy the car!
well done, thanks for the effort making this video.
It’s taken me a few attempts to watch part two, part one was so painful. Without doubt your confidence in the Kia did take a dent when you ran out of charge on the motorway a short time before your Italy trip. Id have ditched the roof box and tried to make my journey off the motorway, enjoying the scenic drive and the increased range from the slightly slower speeds. Dog friendly hotels with a pool and a destination charging point are a must, or a public charger very close to the hotel. I have managed 200 miles between charges when road tripping, minus the roof box. You need to learn to trust the vehicle gom. Some good tips from Glynn Hudson in regards to charging. Tesla really have it off to a tee with their supercharger network, yet another reason to drive a Tesla. Good luck in your future EV road trip adventures. God bless your patient and very understanding wife.
Yes, we’d certainly take it slower next time I think. Glyn’s road trips are an inspiration: an EV with almost a third of the e-Niro’s range and they have a much more relaxed time than us! Having a child made us a bit highly strung I think!
Enthusiastic as I am about ev, I think you showed it doesn’t work yet. My longest drive to date in a day was Zeebrugge to Turin (in a diesel) as part of a 2 week holiday, I couldn’t have so many stops in both directions in my holidays. Good to make the film though and will be interesting to repeat in the next year or so, that is already nearly a year ago. Thanks for sharing
Andrew, I genuinely enjoyed both of your 'Italy Trip' videos (with the 3rd one in the queue). It's an enlightening experience for this American to watch you wrestle not just with many different charging brands but also varying languages, hotel booking efforts ("Please, can I bring my dog...") and local customs. There remain areas of the USA that offer very (very!) few charging points or none at all, so perhaps you can feel just a bit smug about how Europe is doing, even tho' it isn't (yet) great.
Hi this is amazing, I live just outside London, my wife family lives in cerenova and we own electric car! So this is perfect guide for us!
Regards
We had a trip planned by EV to Italy this year - by Eurostar, Thello and SNCF. Lunch in London, dinner in Paris, breakfast in Milan! And for the return trip, breakfast in Milan, (late) lunch in Paris and dinner in London.
I watched your wife's video review of the Tesla model 3 yesterday, before I'd seen this. I think when she asked what you thought, that was the opportunity to remind her how much easier that journey would be by Tesla. She had some good points, but if there was any prospect of making that journey to Italy a few times, the Tesla would become a no brainer for me! We're hoping to go by train next year now, but if not, it'll be by Tesla.
Very very informative and eye opening thank you , Ulm is beautiful, my brother used to live there . 👍🏼😊I am going to travel with my mg this summer, we have friends live there
That’ll be a lovely trip! It’s a shame we didn’t get a chance to visit Ulm properly - we rushed a little too much!
We live in France and have just bought an E Niro. We are planning a road trip to Italy (hopefully! ) later this year and found these videos immensely helpful! We are retired so we can take as long as we want!
Really interesting Andrew. I bought a used I-Pace in January and went to my retirement project in France in February. Brave, but I did my research to gauge its viability and it said OK, so off I went! Two days before I set off the Corri-Door network run by EDF in France was turned off! Two chargers had caused problems so EDF turned all 189 chargers in France off!
Still I still made it with a few hiccups and the trip took longer but hey ho I’ m retired and no time constraints so no real problem! The up side was that every charge point is FREE! I even found a cosmetics company near Orleans that let me use their rapid charge point for free! The total cost of the journey from Cardiff to south of Limoges and back was £25! I’m pretty sure the electricity I used in France was wind power generated too!
France isn’t well catered for with only a few CCS Rapid chargers, their network is based around the Zoe and Leaf and CHAdeMO charge points.
The 240 mile range on an I-Pace is an advantage, even better if it was 300 miles! Pre-conditioning of the battery also increases the range considerably in winter.
The main thing, as you say, is research. Do a bit of planning with a built in option of an alternative charge point and it is totally painless. I am impressed by the Kia E-Nero 4 a very complete BEV.
By the way if you use the Chargepoint App, Ionity is £7.60 per charge! Result!
Congratulations on being retired with an I-Pace to drive around in! That sounds like a dream to me. What a stunning car! I’m surprised France isn’t far better with their provision for rapid chargers. With all the new EVs coming from the PSA Groupe, I imagine there’ll be an explosion of new ones in the coming months.
@@MrEV Hi Andrew, as usual it takes time to instal rapid chargers, but EDF really did put the cat amongst the pigeons when they just turned of ALL the Corri-Door chargers made by that one company, virtually all of them, and not even replace them. They just said they were off end of! Very EDF! It has really left a hole in the CCS charging network in France. Things pick up a bit around Toulouse and south to Spain. Spain is quite well provided for given that, like Italy, it isn't a natural EV country.
You are so lucky to have a bi-lingual daughter! At her age adding another language is just easy, and being multilingual is a real advantage later in life.
The E-Nero is a brilliant car, and really does what says on the tin! Being a Kia the inside will wear well, car sick and all! The I-Pace is probably my last car purchase and as the battery is warranted for 8 years, even when it does degrade I'll be old enough not to care and need comfort stops more often anyway! By then charging points will be plentiful and not even a concern. As the I-Pace is made of aluminium, it won't rust, so it might see me through to the grave!! One thing folk forget is that, yes, it is an expensive car in the first place, but when you take into consideration running costs, your trip to Italy proved that, and lack of any real servicing costs, it starts looking a far better buy!
BEVs are here to stay enjoy them!
Nice Video! I have a Niro EV too. I increased thrunk size by 25% by removing the unnecessary layer. I ordered a frunk for cables. AND I charge 100% sun from my solar array! The Niro is a good car!
Well done Andrew. Very informative. i think it still shows that infrastructure is the thing. IONITY is doing a catchup (to Tesla) but has now made it so that any other manufacturers other than those in its consortium, get charged an arm and a leg for recharging. (I think Kia is one of those so you are probably OK). IMHO, what it needs is for public chargers to be a turn up with a credit card and charge type service. Or maybe for an all encompassing app for your phone (what do you do if your phone has no signal?). But you've proved its doable. (even if you succumbed to a bit of range anxiety).
Ours arrived last week wife drove up to London and back loved it . You soon learn how it all works even from mistakes 😃 love the car
Charging is a learning experience but it is getting better. I am retired and single, so have more ability to stretch distances out, but I will get nervous when I am below 15%.
Electrify America has lowered pricing and they are building out their network. If it is warm, the Niro will charge at 75-77 Kwh. In the winter, it is harder to get good speeds, but more in the high 30's or low 40's
But the Niro is efficient, almost at Model 3 levels.
Vermont is still in limited open, so I decided to take a day drive to look at mountains. Left at 95% charge. Drove 232.3 miles, and had 112 miles on the GOM when I got home. I used 55.7 Kwh, but regenerated 12.1 Kwh during the drive,. so consumed 43.6 Kwh. Car said I had 35% left, so that seems to indicate that the battery is close tp 68 Kwh. Most of the driving was done between 40 and 45 MPH. Car said it was 5.3 miles/Kwh or 118 watts/kilometer I have just under 17,000 miles in just over a year.
Brilliant video, similar to what I plan with my Renault Zoe. Gave me some inspiration.
Interesting to see this video 2 yrs prior to ur ioniq5 journey. The infrastructure has improved dramatically as did, for my untrained eye, the avg charge time.
Great looking dog. Oo. And another enjoyable down to earth and honest presentation.
So many coaches these days, have a plethora of electro connections and entertainment screens, that the vehicles never shut-off. Even when they’re back in a depot, they’ll be hooked up to an electric generator. Such is the need for the modern passenger never to rest or put their phone down. Whatever happened to just looking out of the window, as you pass by sights and countryside?
I couldn’t agree more!
Thanks for that Andrew a very well put story great fun to watch. Bob Blood in Kent.
Great content thanks. We have a booking on the eurotunnel 7th August this year. Driving down to Lake Annecy in our Tesla Model 3 for a week then over to Lauterbrunnen for another week before heading back home. Hopefully gonna happen 🙏
Have a great time in Annecy. I worked there for 3 years in the late 80s and my son was born there so great memories. Drive up to Col de la Forclaz if you get the chance, wonderful views of Mt Blanc from there.
@@kiae-nirodiaries1279 Thanks will do.
@@richardcorns8553 Sorry Richard I gave you a bad steer there. The place you need to go to get great views of Mt. Blanc is called Semnoz. Go into Old Annecy (Vielle Ville) and head down the west side of the lake past the hospital. Signs for Semnoz are there, views are incredible if not too much heat haze. Elevation there is 1,700 m. Col de la Forclaz is on the other side of the lake, famous for hang-glider launching..some great views along the length of the lake from 1,500 m elevation
Glad you showed the kWh/100km efficieny ratings as well. What a great trip, seriously thinking I'll get the eNiro once my current lease expires on my Ioniq 28, love the facelift eNiro as the Ioniq 5/EV6 are out of my price range. What did Flaviana think of the trip? I love driving EV unlike my old ICE car(16yr old one) I drive way more than I ever did with my pollution-mobile. Love to do that trip you did but at a far slower pace as for me I'd probably take at least a month to explore all the towns/castles/museums/waterways/wineries/etc.
Great video. Really helps us newbies come to grips with extended travels. Thank you
I recently sold my Nissan LEAF 2017 since I needed more range.. Hope to get a Kia Niro EV 2019 shortly.. there's plenty of these Niro EVs model year 2019 and 2020 here in "the states" for sale...
Availability of chargers will never be as bad as it is presently...it will always get better.
Great video again. It was worth waiting for it. Good bonus your wine experience
Thanks José. I think a wine tour of Europe would be a great idea actually!
Well done Andy, that was very informative, if a little daunting. There’s no doubt Tesla were right to invest in an adequate and far reaching charging structure and their decision to do so was aided and abetted by the balance of the OEMs (other than a few) who just wanted electrification to go away and were never going to invest at the level of Tesla.
I think you could improve your charging and charging time with 50%! Most EV's charge fastest from 5-10% and up to mid 50's where the speed drops, and then again to start 70's where the speed drops further. It's not time efficient when your charging session starts at 50% or 70%.
However, nice videos of your trip 👌🏽
Hi Andrew, well done on the trip. I've driven to Austria in my #28 Ioniq electric. I took the Belgium/Germany route because of the Ionity network. With my small battery and 65kW charging speed, I barely had time to go to the loo before the car was charged. I was billed 5 Euros to use the destination charger at a German hotel that I stayed at. Worth it for the convenience.
PS The ChargePoint App will activate Ionity chargers and they still bill you a flat fee.
Thanks, David. That’s quite a trip to do with the Ioniq! Excellent! This certainly taught me that charging little and often is far more sensible.
I’ll be doing a video about Chargepoint soon as it doesn’t seem to be common knowledge.
Ah good to know that it is genuine. I've noted elsewhere in these comments that their app says €7.60 per session in France which is really cheap if you do a major charging session eg 40+ kWh.
@@richardlewis4760 Andrew Till has tried to test the Chargepoint RFID card on a UK Ionity charger but it didn't work. The Chargepoint App still says that it can activate Ionity chargers though.... All I know is my experience in Germany in February.
Interesting video with some good advice for us electric (not Tesla) drivers. Glad you got time to finish it, well worth the time. Thanks
I love that you use Italian commands for your Baby pooch who you pay people to feed tapeworm tablets too!
Belgium still allows smoking in hotel rooms? So glad we towed our tent to eastern Belgium with our PHEV in 2018.
Great video.
As you suggest with a bit of confidence to let the battery get to a lower state of charge, (with ionity reliability) you don't need to charge as much, and charging speeds are a lot faster. It also puts less strain on the battery by not charging close to 100% a lot
I have been using ionity with the Chargemaster app for £7.60 per charge, and on a road trip generally keep the battery between 10% -60% where charging speeds are faster. This means sometimes varying my speed, as distances between chargers vary, to make sure I get to the charger with a suitable SOC
You should invest in a tow bar installation and a box for the tow bar. Almost no added drag since it sits on the back of the car.
Enjoying your trips through Europe here in Canada have not traveled very far in my Nissan Leaf but am hoping my Nissan Arya arrives soon but still have to deal with fewer chargers and they only go to 50kw
Thanks Andrew, great video of some lovely places in Italy and Germany. I guess you have got more confident with letting the battery level go down below 20% these days. It took me time to have the confidence to do that. Cutting the speed to 110kmh I find really helps the efficiency but you were up against it there with the roof box.
I agree about the speed. With roof-box I wouldn't go faster than 100 km/h. Without maybe 110 km/h.
So it was a year ago! :-) Since then infrastructure improved a bit. Quite a few new ionity chargers (apparently using the chargepoint the price is still very good).
So far my longest ev trips were about 600 km (Sweden, Denmark, Germany and Poland). Driving and hoping for a single charger is scary, I always have to plan B and C. Especially with family onboard, so I agree ionity (and fastned) are the best.
Well done to you and thank you for sharing!
Great video Andrew. I’d still consider a roadtrip to Tuscany in an EV but not with a roof box.
You made way more stops that I would have done. Ok, the roof box spoils the consumption but I drove from the middle of the Netherlands to Germany, just above Basel with my e-Niro (800km, left at 9am and arrived at 6pm with two Ionity stops, hotel had charger). Fair enough: I don't have a wife, kid and a dog... ;)
Oh, and I used ABRP, but it isn't great without a dongle that tells the consumption of the car; I got some weird advice's in charging. Based on my experience with an Ioniq EV going to the French Alps (yep, that is a... ahum... challenge), I made my own choices. At this point in time I think you can have ABRP work with the actual consumption of the car via a OBDII dongle; that will improve it. And one more tip: Chargemap has an app with lots of information about chargers and is maintained by an active community of EV drivers and if you found the charger, you can navigate to it with apple carpplay or android auto. The Chargemap app will send the route to them.
Fun to see and I think next time will be a lot easier because you will trust the car more than you did this time.
I have OVMS which can link into ABRP so I’ll be using that next time we go on a long journey. That’ll make things much simpler! Chargemap sounds good. I’ve heard that recommended a few times now - I’ll check it out.
I find your trips of interest and i was listening this morning that the cost of chargeing a car in the uk has gone up by 42% the more is see EV the more i see good reason not to buy one
Public charging has skyrocketed, yes. For anyone that doesn't have off-street parking, I'd understand their reluctance to get an EV right now.
Watched this first and found it most interesting - just commented on your wife’s review of the T3
Thank you Andrew for sharing your experience. I think if you'll go next year for the same trip same route you will save a couple of stops and the journey will be shorter. Infrastructure is improving rapidly, (Ionity, Fastned, EnelX and others). But mostly I see that we need reliability of the network. My plan is buying an EV for my long trips Belgium/Italy/Greece (Kia e-Niro is more than fine). Cheers
Thanks for the video. Was hoping to see it before our trip to Spain in the e-Niro in late April - which obviously didn't happen! And our trip to Sweden in July won't either. Will be interesting to see the development in infrastructure when we eventually can go.
Love these videos mate.
You're a mellow dude. 👍
Thanks!
I only just saw this! RUclips is terrible at showing "Super Thanks".
David, thank you so very much! So incredibly generous of you.
Andrew I suspect the manufacturers want to continue selling ICE vehicles in order to continue support for their dealership based corporate structure.
They haven’t seriously got their heart in EVs I believe.
You are right of course but they will be dragged, some of them kicking and screaming into a fossil fuel free world. Tesla are taking market share from the established ICE players so its a case of electrify or die in the long run.
Kia are for sure.
Charging to 100% instead of driving down to 10% and charging to where the charge speed drop way off is a method that saves you time even though you stop at more chargers. It's about maximizing charging speed.
Vacation highlight in summer 2015: Enjoying a glas of local wine in Assmannshausen at the Rhine river after hiking in the vineyards and visiting old castles. We stayed in the region for a week. Maybe an alternative to Italy.
That sounds like heaven to me! Such a beautiful place (and wine).
Great video, thank you.
Excellent videos - lots of information - thanks.
“That’s the magic of having an electric car” - that and being a polyglot Brit able to negotiate free access to the garage socket!
The only acronym I ask that you explain is the GOM! With two plug-in cars, one of which we towed our tent to Eastern Belgium with, I am still curious which of the efficiency and range data you mean.
GOM is Guess-O-Meter... it is the number displayed that the car estimates your remaining range with the current battery charge level.
We have done a couple of trips to Hamburg from Mid Wales in our e-Niro (and two large dogs). On the whole it was great but the charging networks are a bit stressy. Haven’t tried it with the ABRP app yet - hopefully that will make things easier!
People opt out of Tesla mostly in Norway since the infrastructure is good enough and hussle free to easily chose out of Tesla. And customers DO chose other nonTesla cars since they prefer the choice and Tesla cannot fit all the needs. Also in Norway the chargers come in different speeds so oping out of Ionity in Kia Niro is much cheaper due to lower speed 50kw fitting this car charging average.
My wife and I enjoyed both videos very much.
Good honest without any hype!
Do you have any info regarding Motorway Tags that one can buy in advance for Italy ?
Also some information on other Italian electric networks - which RFID cards/apps did you find useful in Italy.
We are just preparing for 2021 as we have been invited to a wedding near Siena in Tuscany and want to drive there by Tesla.As backup however and for local chargers I would just like to know a bit more about the chargers in Italy.
You can hire a Italian toll pass I picked mine up at the services on the m20 just before the channel tunnel www.harbourshipping.co.uk/harbour-plus/toll-tickets
Thanks for that info.
You're right, the Tesla Supercharger network is just so far ahead it's ridiculous. As a Nissan Leaf owner...
Driving an EV is all about charging ;) In July / August 2019 I drove about 6000km UK, F, B, NL ES and back to UK costing about 70 Euro's :) in Nissan MK1 2012 Leaf with 10 bars
Great video. I guess your wife wasn't happy using your phone to record while you drove, hence why it seemed she was the only one in the driving seat except when you were updating us.
I doubt it would have been as easy with a LEAF..
Thanks Rob! Yes, she drove about two thirds of the time. The problem was less about filming and more just that I was the one with all the apps on the phone for checking chargers!
As for the LEAF, although IONITY wouldn’t be possible, I think ChaDeMo is still quite prevalent across Europe. Also, have a look at Glyn Hudson’s videos as he drives a 24kWh Nissan e-NV200 around Europe and takes it all in his stride!
ruclips.net/channel/UCmAA-dXNnQ47tKkdRvrgdtQ
Andrew Till / Mr. EV curse you Till, I started watching it this morning, I lost track of time and was nearly late for work. Amazing how they find all these free chargers in the middle of nowhere.
Got to admit it was a bit of an eye opener. Got so used to Mr Llewellyn saying how easy it is that a bit of realism makes preference. I’ve had this reinforced today. I’ve had my Niro for 2 weeks now, home charger works great, so decided to try a local Polar fast charger. Chippenham - Not Working. Melksham - Worked for 2 minutes. Trowbridge occupied by 2 people arguing about who got there first. Think I’ll be leaving it a while for that big road trip !!!
Oh no, what bad luck you had! There’s a lot of sugar coating going on I think, and that’s not helpful to anyone. I know my videos will perhaps put off a few people but I’d rather people bought an EV knowing it’s an adventure right now: a sort of pioneer spirit is required!
good video, it would have been nice to see more footage of each destination you visited and the hotel's and rooms, but a nice informative video.
Thanks Nigel. Always tricky doing a video like this it would have been twice the length had I put in all of that. Next time, perhaps!
@@MrEV yes they may be longer, you could of made a 4 ep version it would of still have been good.
Very interesting thank you, still looks traumatic ! I have a Tesla but wonder how congested the super chargers will be now the M3 is selling so fast. Also I suspect hotels will cotton on and start charging for destination charging but not a big deal and if there are more destination chargers the whole experience will be better.
There are only two Tesla supercharger locations where I've seen all the bays taken: Birchanger in the UK - it's amazing it hasn't be upgraded/updated - and Clermont-Ferrand in France where, incidentally, there's a very nice hotel with a lounge where you can grab a coffee etc. But the stalls clear quickly because otherwise users get lumbered with high occupation charges. I've only ever had to wait 5 minutes.
We have a really nice restaurant close to us in the south of France which has a free destination charger. Charge up while you eat!
awesome upload my friend enjoyed it
Great watching tris
Whitney kind of apps or Cards dig you have to charge
I used the NewMotion RFID (now called Shell Recharge) most of the time.
Thanks for making these videos I found them massively informative and helpful. I lived in Italy for four years (Mantova) and travelled back by road every year to get my UK MOT done! Loved the road trip. However I have just bought a 2020 Ioniq and would love to know more about how you were able to use the Tesla destination chargers and if you can do it in the UK? Thank you again for making the videos, I'm now a subscriber.
Thanks, Alan! That’s one hell of a journey to make for an MOT. I hope it passed each time! You can use Tesla Destination Chargers in the UK as well - most of the time you should see one that’s available for all vehicles. It’ll have a white sign; the red sign is for Teslas.
If you go on Tesla’s website and filter for Destination Chargers, it’ll tell you how many chargers there are. If it’s just one, I think it’ll be Tesla only. More than one and there should be one available for all EVs. If it’s a hotel, it’s worth checking with them first.
www.tesla.com/en_GB/findus
You can also look on plugshare.com as that’s a great community-built resource.
That didn’t take too long to edit and post Andrew 😉
I think you're very brave! Still, I ordered mine on the strength of a 300-mile test drive and a Zapmap app. I worry about not getting a phone signal in the UK. Did the family also enjoy the adventure?
My wife and daughter just watched the video and run up to my office saying they want to do another road trip next month. So, although at the time it was a little stressful at times, they remember it being a fun adventure.
Good, I hope you have another great trip with even better infrastructure and a more relaxed charging regime.
Love the 2 videos Andrew! Thanks so much for putting them together. When you were charging in the underground garage with the granny cable, did you just use a standard continental adapter with your cable?
Thank you for both your video’s, they were great 👍. But with the recent huge increase in price of Ionity chargers 🔌 could you calculate the cost today of doing your trip today. 😊
Use the RHEINGAU app and RFID card for IONITY chargers to get a 50% discount.All on your phones App Store.
Registration in German but you soon figure it out.Country is :VEREINIGTES KÖNIGREICH=United Kingdom - Postcode with a space in the middle:AA12 3BB
Having just received my ChargePoint Inc (www.chargepoint.com/en-gb/) RFID card - yes, yet another RFID card! - and installed the app I find that they're offering Ionity at a flat €7.60 per session in France. As we're heading down France shortly I will try that as an alternative to a supercharger as I'm curious to see how fast Ionity charges a Model 3. There's one stop where Tesla and Ionity are directly opposite each other in the services!
How did you find the dog facilities & doggy bag bins on your journey? Well done on staying so organised and calm on what could have been a super stressful family holiday for a Dad who just wants it to go well for everyone.
It would cost me £30 more to do it in a Prius hybrid (£270). I've cost that a 10p per mile. Done journeys on the motorway from Yorkshire to Buckinghamshire 193 for £12.72 which is 7p per mile. Locally I drive a hundred miles and struggle to put £10 to top it to fuel. And I don't drive conservatively.
If you had to depend on public chargers (no free chargers) your costs would've a lot higher. It's not like I can stay in a hotel and get free petrol. When you charge at home that's different because your still paying a tiny fraction, but still paying.
Don't get me wrong I love the idea of electric cars, but the high price of the car and the cost of electricity which is now getting close to fuel price for the miles, it not much saving if any. If for example it's costing you 60p per kWh to charge 50kw that's £30 and you get 210 miles from that 50kw that's 14p per mile. When I did the 193miles the fuel price was £1.24per litre so not the cheapest.
Plus time charged up needs to be accounted for. I would never runs my Prius from fuel to near empty and I would stop regular to fuel up or toilet break, but I wouldn't have to wait for the charger, that is what stopping large adoption of EV'S. EV'S make sense when you charge them at home for.
Tesla with free supercharging is the car that makes the best sense. If you do lots of miles, then it's like you've paid up front for your fuel in a Tesla.
These are just my thoughts and opinions.
And your videos are great keep up the good work as we need these vlogs to educate each other onto clean modes of transport.
Frankly I’ve never managed to get below 18.5 kWh consumption with my 2020 eNiro and hardly do any motorway driving.
The problem with abetterroute is they will mainly show you ionity chargers. But they're so expensive right now that it will cost you more to charge than filing up with dinosaur piss. If you choose to ignore ionity you'll get a message that this route can't be done with an EV. Which is not true.
Please check out charge point app. Currently under £8 per charge.
Hello Andrew, I hope you are well. I would like to ask something about your Euro trip if I may. Because I am going on a Euro trip myself this summer with a KIA e Niro I have been wondering whether these headlight deflection stickers are needed on this particular car. I have watched your videos and I couldn't see any stickers on your e Nuro. Thank you in advance for your reply.
"the charger we are staying at" lol 😂. brave taking the dog . Charging to 100% all the time has it added battery degradation as I worry doing this on the Tesla?
I’m not a battery expert by any means but yes, doing lots of 100% charges at rapids is not recommended although I think the e-Niro has a pretty good upper buffer to avoid any problems. Kia even recommended leaving it charged to 100% during lockdown, which surprised me!
Loved the videos, looks like a great trip.
Would it have been too painful to drop the speed a bit to eke out a bit more range?
That said, I'd probably hammer it too.
Yeah, tell that to my wife. 😃
@@MrEV haha. Mine's Italian too...she's allowed to tell me things but it often doesn't work the other way round.
The e-niro is a good car, but unfortunately it already feels a bit dated with its 70kW max charging speed. I guess if they can bump it to at least 100 or 120kW that would be better. Even the smaller Corsa-e can do this.
And of course if they can actually start delivering those. I had it on purchase, but then they refused to deliver so I went Tesla. No regrets though as I got the Supercharger network and the efficiency for almost the same price (I paid a few extra €) I am actually grateful to Kia that the didn't deliver it, the few extra € is worth it! I already did a few trips outside of the Supercharger network where I think a KIA would be pushing it a lot. And with the Superchargers + other CCS driving a Tesla is like driving a petrol car. Even on journeys of more than 800 miles on a single day you spend 1 hour more in charging.
I've just done some *very* rough man-maths to work out how much it would cost to do your trip in my car. We get about 750 miles on a full tank, it's about £50 to brim it, which comes to £180, which means I save £67 and countless hours.
I have to wonder if EVs really are ready for this kind of trip yet, or is it the charging side that lets them down (cost & time)?
Well done for taking on such a trip.
I do have quite a pertinent question to ask - how much would it cost if you include meals at stops?
If I’ve reverse engineered your maths correctly, you’re getting about 90mpg. What car is that?
@@OllieTT no car
Destination chargers are free but you have to get there first and hog the point overnight.
How much time did you spend on charge ( ignoring hotel chargers)
Charging fees look to be variable at best and a rip off at worst. Perhaps you can do a video on charging costs and how to get the best value vs time spent parked up.
Stay safe
As noted towards the end of the video, andrew was still way cheaper than an ice car
I'm not sure about "hogging". We just book a destination charger parking space at the same time as we book the room. That's simply the nature of destination chargers.
For non-Tesla EVs you don't normally have much choice of higher-power chargers at the moment when you need a charge. And until the charging infrastructure becomes more reliable it's perhaps unwise to let the battery run down too low, only to find the charger out of order. I think Andrew was lucky to find staff available to fix charger problems - and also to have a fairly laid-back personality not to get stressed when things didn't go to plan!
Bjorn Nyland has done a specific video on the stupid layout of car charging points: too close together, cables too short, spaces marked up which don't work for different cars. He asks why the spaces have to be marked up given they aren't if you're refueling for diesel or petrol! I think this is because charging is still an afterthought in a lot of service stations and areas so designed to take up the least space.
How did you find driving on the other (wrong?) side of the road with your right-hand side steering wheel? I'm from Canada and found driving a rental car in Scotland enough of a challenge. Thanks for sharing these videos of real world EV driving. Cheers.
We didn’t find it too much trouble, but we’ve driven in Europe many times before (my wife is Italian so most of her life!)
I think driving our own car made it simpler in many ways - especially as the steering wheel was on the right. Overtaking and using toll booths were the only real issues for us.
Great videos, but seems like you stopped a few more times than really needed? Would you agree that was the case?
Definitely. We certainly could have done it with fewer stops.
Well done. I wonder how easier it would be if you had a tesla using their superchargers? Ev owner myself but wouldn't try that journey until EVs hit 400 mile mark on a charge.
One day I’m sure I’ll try. It wouldn’t make for a very entertaining video though as it’d be so much less painless!
Thanks for all that very excellent information. If there was one single magic thing you could have to make EV touring easy, what would it be?
Hmm... driving a Tesla! Would it be as much of an adventure though? Probably not.
Really, the e-Niro just needs far more intelligent software to manage the routing. That’s the biggest reason for Teslas being so much better for long distance driving.
@@MrEV Andrew, I used to have a Tesla. The huge advantage is that all the superchargers that were free for me, worked. All you have to do is to set the charge % plug in and go away. Your smart phone tells you when it is nearly full. Really so much better than all the faffing about you and I have to do in an E-Niro.
would you say the charging network is better in the UK?
Hi Andrew, I noticed you had your daughters child seat in the middle of the rear seat rather than at the side. Is it an isofix seat and will it fasten on the isofix anchors in that position? Also, if your seat can do it, if you set it up as a rear facing seat, how well does it fit? Do you have to have the front seats so far forward to make space that you cannot be comfortable sat in them? I am considering an e-niro but have a flock of grandchildren to cart round so want to be sure about the seating arrangements.
Thank you.
It’s not an Isofix seat, no. I’m sorry I can’t help as it’s a great question. Do you have a Kia dealer nearby? I’m sure they’d be happy to let you experiment if you take an Isofix seat there.
Great content! Will order my e-Niro today, really looking forward to get out and ride with it.
Btw, at 5:10 approx., you say you love destination chargers, what's your defintion of a destination charger? When I google it, only Tesla's concept of destination charger appears.
A destination charger is any that you park at when you reach a hotel, for instance. Usually one you’d park up overnight. Tesla may have coined the phrase and they make great ones - usually they provide at least one available for other EVs to use.
Question - lots of stops but i assume you needed to pause for the dog to do a wee, grab some food etc. Do you feel you were stopping more than you would have in an ice car?
Yes, in this trip we definitely stopped a bit more than we would have done in ICE.
There were a couple of main reasons for this. Firstly, the roof box made efficiency worse, so that made stops more frequent.
Secondly, there was far less charging infrastructure back then so the best available charging stops didn’t necessarily coincide with when the battery was at its lowest.
On top of that we were obviously a little over cautious perhaps!
If we were to do the trip now, I imagine it’d be possible skipping a couple of stops and arriving at chargers with around 10%.
All that said, even if I was driving ICE, I generally have to stop after a couple of hours anyway for a pee stop so even a small battery EV suits me!
@@MrEV yes - for us it's the dog factor that causes really frequent stops, but she's still a puppy so hopefully that will change. Thanks for the prompt reply.
Fair play to you.😉 How did you find it going on such a long journey in a car with a kid. How did you manage to keep her amused and entertained throughout the trip😲. That's the real question. Already know the eniro can do it. But can the humans do it?
Non Tesla EV chargers need to kick people off once charged, charging £1 a minute if you stay connected.... they also need to build more, much more....
Who doesn't enquire what time breakfast is served? tut tut
Need to do a vidio on what rfid charge cards or apps you used
Why doesn't the passenger side have a head rest?
Well I reckon with my Citroen C4 Grand Picasso, which over 4 years I have averaged just over 50mpg, I reckon that I would average between 55 and 60mpg over that journey and reckon it would have cost me £270 for the 2700 miles you travelled. Plus you got quite a few free charges, which if you had to pay for would have increased your cost. I would love a Tesla but the cost compared to my diesel doesn’t make it worthwhile. My last fill up cost me £57 and I covered 560 miles averaging 53mpg. I would be interested in your comments
An EV is certainly not the cheapest form of driving a road trip and we managed to aim for the most expensive chargers! Had we gone off the motorway to charge more often, we’d have done it for a fraction of the cost.
Where an EV really becomes cost effective is if you’re able to charge at home overnight. A Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus would then cost you approx. £2.50 for 254 miles (1p per mile), for instance.
pickanev.com/electric/cars/tesla/model-3/standard-range-plus
Andrew Till / Mr. EV fair point
Very interesting, you did seem to be charging a lot but if that was your first ever EV road trip then better to be cautious than run out. There is a case for a longer range car mind you.... but after reading so much negative stuff about Tesla’s?
Even on a trip like this it's the lack of destination chargers that are (part of) the inconvenience. I've said it before but, even a normal wall socket available for the granny charger would be fantastic for very little cost. Who cares how slow its charging if you're kicking back with a glass of wine or taking a dip in the pool?
Definitely! It makes so much sense.
Could you or your wife tell us if it would have been possible to not use the roof box . This would have reduced time changing and cost. Also if you had to choose today a long range EV with all the room you need what would it be?
You mentioned that motor manufacturers should get together to put a charging infrastructure in place in Europe. You do know, don't you, that Ionity is precisely that: it's owned by BMW, Daimler, Ford and VW. Which is why those who own their EVs get preferential rates at Ionity charging stations. :-)
Yes, I was referring more to the software actually: something to get close to the Tesla experience with navigation. It’d be good if there was some sort of common solution all car manufacturers could use. It’ll probably be up to Apple and Google.
(In fact, iOS 14 announced today has EV routing so that’s one step closer...)
Hi Andrew. I have watched both parts of your road trip, very encouraging for long distance electric drives. I could be wrong, but it looked like there wasn't much night driving? How would the right hand drive "beams" cope driving on the wrong side? I am thinking of the 4+ with the led headlights so how would they get changed when going abroad?
Dave.
Do you know if the coolant for the battery needs to change after some miles?
Apparently Kia did recommend that it’s flushed every 36k miles on an e-Niro. I imagine it’s performed as part of a service.
The 2023 Niro EV says it should be flushed after ten years and then every two years.
Whether it really needs doing, I don’t know. Traditional automakers like Kia are perhaps more inclined to recommend things that earn their dealers a little extra money on a service. But that’s me wearing my cynical hat!
How did you pay for charge
I done italy in my old car no problem all used credit card
Put crazy thing about ev is i got 21 apps to charge with shell card and ioniy app will work in europe
So thats 20% cover rest can not use
Want to do spain in my ev i make it to spain ok
Put when in spain will need 4 apps to charge with and been told you need a spains bank account to use them so can not go
When you charged in the underground parking using granny charge, did you use a U.K.-Eu plug adapter for your U.K. cable? Any issues?
Yes - just a normal (well, good quality) adapter worked absolutely fine.
Andrew, you mentioned New Motion, and I assume you used their RFID card. Did you find having just the one card sufficient? I am planning a France/ Belgium/Germany trip and wondering whether I should also get a Chargemap card as well. Thanks.
I live in France and use Chargemap here. Trips so far within France, to Switzerland and the UK have worked well with this card. See ‘Kia e-Niro Diaries’ on RUclips for details.
@@kiae-nirodiaries1279 I have a Chargemap card - I got it at the same time as my car - but the prices seem high and their network of usable chargers doesn't seem to be expanding in the 7 months since I got it. In fact now they want you to pay a non-obligatory monthly fee to remove ads in their app. I'm not impressed. OTOH the Réveo app and card seem to offer very good prices - for a €12 annual fee. And despite being based in the sud-ouest Languedoc-Roussilon, they seem to cover a lot of chargers across France...