Kia e-Niro Euro road trip part 1: Driving from England to Italy
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- Опубликовано: 15 июн 2020
- In July 2019 my family and I drove to Italy in our Kia e-Niro, loaded with child, dog and a roof box full of stuff.
Probably the least entertaining road trip video you'll ever see, this is a video about how difficult it was to drive down to Italy, focusing mainly on the chargers. It's not a home movie so don't expect anything very entertaining!
How was it? How did the public chargers perform? Why the heck did it take me so long to edit the video? Two of those questions will be answered in this video.
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Here's the video! Finally!
It's worth noting that we did NOT do the trip in the best way possible! Charging more frequently and for less time is a far better approach, but it wasn't a race - it was a family trip - and we were trying to charge when we were eating.
Also, for context remember I'd run out of charge on the motorway a week before the trip so I was a little nervous about the same happening with the family in the car.
Now I know what the car is capable of, we'd push it much further if we did the same again.
Oh, and I'm gushing with love for IONITY but that was when they cost £8/8€. I'd be more likely to avoid them these days!
Thanks for finally getting this video up! Great job!
Ah yes! I’ve been looking forward to this 👍
Luckily there are other ways to pay at ionity at the moment £7.60, or 39p /kWh
Ionity using ChargePoint is £7.60 flat rate or with a Maingau account, €0.40 per kWh. Might help you plan to keep using them? DM me on Twitter if you want more info, Andrew..
Many thanks for making video
Excellent, well worth the wait. Look forward to part 2 in 2021!!
So, I am glad that you persevered with the upload which seemed almost as slow as the 7kw charger in the posh hotel! I got half way through and thought "I am sure he has been wearing that shirt for a few days now!" :)
Loved the video Andrew hopefully as the year has gone by the Ionity charger network has improved very useful information thanks again
I really enjoy your honesty! Thanks 👍
Thanks Andrew for a very enlightening video! It gives me confidence that I might be able to take my EV to mainland Europe one day. Cheers
Just the video I was looking for! I'm planning on doing a similar trip to the Alps. Thanks for the info!
Brilliant video thank you- enjoyed the narrative and the real life story- the rerouting to chargers would drive me mad particularly if time was short. Moral of the story an EV should/ can be relaxing, time is the critical factor you need it for the unexpected and I guess once you have done the trip like anything in life you adapt so that next time it’s easier. Thanks look forward to part 2
Thanks Leo! I think it’d be far more relaxing if I did it again.
I feel for you, Andrew. Being half French I/we have a second home in the Pyrenees and have been going between London and there for many, many years. I long-wanted an electric car but the French charging infrastructure has always struck me as clunky, mostly low power and unreliable. And then we started seeing Tesla Superchargers along the motorways at convenient intervals - and that was when we decided to get one.
I've talked to other non-Tesla EV owners in France and they have horror stories of being repeatedly charged connection fees and then not being able to charge and chargers out of order when they have very little battery left. France seriously needs to get its act together.
But yes, with the Tesla it's a dream. The car tells you which charger is best along your route, you simply plug in and walk away while your app keeps you posted on your charge status and you just unplug when you're done. No need for a card and your car tells you the cost. Mostly we charged in about 20-30 minutes and Superchargers were always located either in service stations or adjacent to hotels which allowed you to use their facilities. It's a completely different experience. We did around 3,000 miles touring round France and Spain.
No arguments from me there. For anyone wanting to do regular road trips, a Tesla is a no-brainer. I hired a Model S ages ago and just couldn’t believe how good Superchargers (and the navigation) was. Puts all other EVs to shame.
@@MrEV Unfortunately people think "car" first and then look for the infrastructure. But would you buy a fossil fuel car if there were no petrol stations or most were out of order? I suspect Elon Musk realised that early on and so built the infrastructure long before Teslas became more commonplace. Country-driven or independent commercial infrastructure seems to have been much more piecemeal. Why did France give a contract for charge points to Gaz de France that has no interest in charging infrastructure? And why are France's solutions mostly time-based when points largely stand empty? You should read the comments online from French EV owners: talk about spitting feathers!
O my god, am i glad we decided to buy a Tesla model 3 longrange. Did some serious EU Trips and the fastchargers are fantastic, works all the time and in average highway speeds (130km/hr) we need 15 a 20 minutes charging every 2,5 to 3 hours (max 380 - 420km) always very fast, no stress, no cards needed, just plugin and charge with 145kW minimum up to 250 kWh. In EU it’s usually 0,24 euro/kw. So a 20-80% charge costs appr. 10 euro, alway’s.
Yes, Teslas and long journeys are the perfect match. Other manufacturers have a lot of catching up to do.
Re your comment about motorway charges, after many years we've succumbed to getting a Télépéage card that you fasten to a clip behind your rear view mirror. It works like a dream and, depending on which version you get, it covers French, Spanish and Italian motorways. For some reason though Brits get ripped off on subscription charges: not only do you have to pay a higher sub per month that you use it but you also get charged an annual subscription. If you live in France there is no annual sub and the monthly charge is much less.
In use it was brilliant. The only annoying thing last year was finding people accidentally choosing the Télépéage queue and blocking it for us and others until either they could reverse out or someone came to take the money off then manually. 🙄
I’ve had a télépéage card for about a decade. It’s been changed a couple of times as different companies have taken over from others, but our current one (by Ulys) has no monthly fee (only pay on months I actually use it) and there’s no annual fee.
Great tip, thanks! We used to have a Telepass in Italy which is the same sort of thing. I’ll look into getting the same next time.
@@MikeDWinter Ah that's what I meant: pay per month you use it. I hadn't found the Ulys/Vinci website though, so a good tip re no annual sub. We got round it as I have a French bank account and mobile SIM so simply registered our tags (we have two) in France.
Brilliant, well worth the wait..
Really enjoyed the video - thanks Andrew
Side-Note: Early this year, Corridoor/Izivia (sub branch of the former national public electricity company) has shut down 179 of their charging stations (all the Cahors/EVTronic ones to be precise, which was actually most of what they had)... you were kinda lucky as usually they had an awful lot of issues with heat management... I’ve been let on some insider news: they’re planning a rollout of a new network, allocated a bit like tesla stations... Too bad you missed the local authorities HPC barely 1km away from Toison d’Or in Dijon, it’s a 6€ single priced charge, directly billed to a contactless debit card, I used it usually before getting home to avois using the mains too much :) Great video nevertheless, I love the format, freshly honest and open ! Still waiting for the Kia prices on Ionity i guess ?? Take care 🤞🏻
Hello Andrew,
Finally you made it :)
What a surprise you had quite no problem with corri-dor charge point, they are out of order for most of them due to a trial between IZIVIA and the manfacturer !!
Hopefuly IONITY is now more present all over the motorway in France.
I can say your main mistake was to charge too much and not manage the level you should have before using a charger, you're probably a better route planner yourself now :)
I was afraid to put a roof top on my e-niro but it doesn't seem to waste too much power actually. Let's give us the S01E02 of Andrew's journey !
Bon voyage, au plaisir de te voir de nouveau sur nos routes !
The situation with Corri-door is ridiculous now! I hope they resolve it soon. IONITY is pretty good in France now (absolutely fantastic around Lyon) but just so expensive unfortunately.
Hi Andrew, great videos, especially as they are real life day to day events with your Kia e-Niro, which I will be renting soon to try out on a road trip. Your experiences and tips have been a lot of help already. As a by the by, where did you buy the flat and clear rear view mirror on top of the dash (as shown at 22:45). I would like to get one to keep an eye on my little grandchild. Thanks
Last but not least! Congrats for the vid. Being a non british suscriber I really appreciate your "kWh per 100 km" or" km" notes. Looking forward for the second part. I'm a proud owner of a 2019 eNiro like yours and eager to travel with it around Europe. Charging nets in both Spain and Italy are not so good as in other countries but that is changing and we'll see great improvements in the next couple of years. By the way, have you tried Electromaps? It integrates most of the charging nets around Europe so it's possible to use the various chargers either with the app or the RFID token.
Great video thanks for sharing.
Thanks for the video. It's good to see a road trip on a Niro EV other than A Tesla. K forward to your future videos
The french part of this trip was not easy for Andrew, but it would simply be impossible today. Corri-door network has closed, fast charge rely only on few Ionity stations... Owning a Tesla is almost mandatory if you plan a long EV trip in France, I'm afraid ! It's a shame because e-Niro is a really good one...
Just found your channel. Great videos mate 👍
Thanks so much!
Great see you mentioning the kind of things like Chargepass that we still don't have over here.
Very impressive video, so I subscribed. What a trip and the return one will be different too. My Renault Zoe ZE50 is due imminently, so looking forward to that. Not sure we’ll get up to your kind of trip (I’m 70 and do ALL the driving).
Thanks very much! The Zoe ZE50 is a great car. I’m sure you could have a little roadtrip to France at least, without too much stress - the range is excellent. Enjoy it!
As a kid all family holidays involved a back seat full of things and no roof box, the car didn't look full at all, oh yeah, we changed our shirts every day too!
Love trips.
More please!
Blimey ! I'm driving to Nervi, Genoa to stay at the sister in laws on Thursday. 1:45 charging time (from Essex), same driving time (approx 12 hours) as a "normal car", 4 charging stops, we leave on the 5:20 eurotunnel and get down there at 7:30pm. You guessed it, Tesla model 3. Charger outside the station in Nervi and another one just up the road. Italian adapter for the Tesla granny charger just in case. €50 each way in Tesla electricity. Looking forward to the supercharger at Aosta and our traditional first Italian coffee. Fair play to you for doing that journey, but you have to feel that sort of experience (and cost !) will put more people off. Top tip, to void Ionity's rip off tariff get the chargepoint app (back to the old flat fee of 8 £/€) and you can add it to your apple wallet on your phone/watch for easy rfid payment
Thanks for the video. I am planning on doing a 39kw Kona drive from Ipswich to Tromsø in Norway and back. So I appreciate the information from your series
Oh wow! That’s quite a journey. You should have no issues at all with charger availability on that route though. Getting the correct RFID cards may be the biggest issue.
In Norway the most common tag is registering with elbilforening and register with Fortum(499NOK/year).It will get many chargers covered in Norway
@@lorrainemei2704 Thankyou for the information, that will be very useful
I'm french, and for christmas I am planning on changing my car, a Renault Twingo 3 Tce90, running on ethanol so costing really not that much because where I leave it's around 0.6€/liter.
In my list, I have : used Tesla Model 3, used Tesla Model S 85D or P85, Kia E-niro, Hyundai Kona E, or if I don't go electric, a band new Toyota Corolla hatchback that I'll convert to ethanol.
Well, this video is maybe the best "if you want to go electric, buy a Tesla" video that I've ever watched lol. Clearly reducing my choice '^^
what did you go with in the end, I am choosing between the m3 and the e-niro. Really my biggest concern is how long it takes to charge between 15%-80%. if it takes like 50min every 3 hours, I believe this is too much. The limit is 77kw in the KIA
Love it !! Thanks
A great road trip video showing warts and all of driving an electric car. My one big gripe is what the f**k is it with networks and apps? Surely VISA debit cards are accepted all over Europe. Fossil fuel vehicles don't have to jump through all these hoops just to get fuel.
Can hardly wait to see how you got on with the return journey.
I couldn't agree more. I was fairly sure an EU law states they all have to be capable of pay-as-you-go contactless payments soon although perhaps that’s just in the UK?!
Am 3/4 of the way on my road trip from Brest to Paris and back. The motorway charging network is diabolical. All the core-door chargers are not working. Total seem to have a problem charging e-niros. However the IONITY one (the only one on this important route) worked like a charm. There are a great amount of chargers in France, however the majority are type two 22kw. Great for the Renault Zoe, but bad for us Niro owners who can only charge at 7kwh. I did this yesterday in the outskirts of Paris, whilst I got on with some work in my hotel room. However there is a great Ibis in Laval (Le relais de arbor)with a 7kwh charger that I stayed at on Monday and tonight.
Regarding the range at motorway speeds, I fins that a constant 130 kph reduces the range to 300 km (20kwh per 100km). 110 kph comes in at about 400 (15 kWh per 100 km). Without a roof box.
I find the best site for finding hotels with charge points is booking.com, even though I never book with them as they stole 200€ from me.
destination charging is the way to go, as the free charge effectively knocks about 25 -50€ of the price.
Tony Powell such a pity the Corri-Dor chargers are still off. They discovered a potential fault in one and have turned off all those of the same type. They are apparently rolling out replacement chargers, but it’s take a while..
Mike Winter agreed, but why do they not say what the ‘incident’ was? They are also suing themselves as both have huge ownership shares of corri door and enedis/ edf. Surely it can’t be that difficult to replace/repair the kit as all the infrastructure is already in place?
Brilliant and well done -,they say in an EV journey should be part of the holiday !!
nice videos. thanks. so for driving through france: which "clubs" would you suggest to join? i see you already had the RFID cards...how did you get them sent to the UK?
Andrew, I really enjoy your videos, and I also drive a Niro EV, so I find your journey of discovery with the vehicle fascinating. I'm not sure if it was real, or staged for dramatic effect, but you made a ton of rookie errors on this road trip. It is generally agreed that one should arrive at a EC fast charger with a warm pack and less than 20% state of charge for a most efficient/economical experience. Especially if paying per unit time, DCFC should not continue much beyond 80% SOC, as rate of charge slows dramatically thereafter to protect the battery. If you persist in DCFC to 100% regularly your battery wll degrade mre quickly than if you use AC charging at home or destination charger to top off. ABRP does a great job of working this all out for you in advance, if you set it up properly. Bjorn Nyland has a ton of videos on these topics that are very helpful. BTW, have you experienced the "cold gate" phenomenon in Winter? H
Hi, You made some interesting points here that I really like to learn. I am planning on buying either a kia e-niro or a tesla m3. What is more appealing with kia is their warranty and broader workshop dealers in sweden where I live. But we all know what tesla also offers with network and infotainment system... The only think keeping me from hesitating on buying the e-niro is that it is limited to 77kw charing compared with vw id3/id4 and tesla this is very low. So if I follow the rekommendations between around 15%-80% fast charging when on road trip on motorway (sweden 110-120kmph), I should maybe get 350km of range before I need to charge again ( in optimal conditions)? So I would need to charge every 3-3,5hours ? Am I completly wrong here? So, I the charger is able to give the battery around full power, how long would it take? 50minutes?
If this is true then 50minutes / 3-3,5 hours is very much, this would be very much coffee on the road haha.
I am thinking of buying either a used kia or a brand new... but when did they come with the heat pump for the battery, was it 2020? Other than some internal visual changes and heat pump and the larger infotainent sreen I do not see much of an improvement in the latest 2021/2022 model compared to 2019/2020. Please comment if you have more info,
may I ask how you know if the batteri pack is warm or not? Is there a way to see this in the infotainment system?
Also, what does EC, DCFC and SOC mean?
Thanks for your help!
Thanks for this as it is valuable info to get into the mind set of going electric - the e-niro would seem to be the logical choice at this time.
Yes, the e-Niro and Kona are arguably the best of the non-Tesla EVs. Great cars!
super video..... you need a holiday after this....
I own a 2019 e-Niro too and I haven't done any big road trips yet but I must say that on longer trips like you did, especially with a roof box, I would drive 100-110 km/h (compare the roof box with towing a caravan with your ice) The time lost by going 20 under the limit is gained by going further on one charge. And, like others said, stop fast charging as soon as the charging speed starts to drop (around 77-78%) and use normal 22 kW chargers overnight. Did you drive in ECO or Normal?
About the same time you were having your holiday I drove to Berlin for the Formule e race. Had an overnight pit stop hotel on the way . The Berlin event had a great green energy show with several EV manufacturers present. So at the kia stand did the same journey using their predictive software. Results was four days with the one day spent parked up at charging stations and not allowing for chargers being occupied by overnight parking or extra long luncheon parties. My obvious option is to buy a leaf and hire a motorway cruiser for the occassional holiday but for now I will hold off and wait for range to go up and price to come down. Looking forward to see how long it took for you to get home and the total fuel cost. As an after thought I wonder if my virtual journey would have been quicker ( and cheaper) if I had not used motorways and had less refueling stops and saved on tolls, a sort of tortoise and the hare scenario?
I'd love to see an updated version of this, we're planning a trip to Chamonix next month and although ABRP has us mainly stopping at ionity, there's a few I don't recognise in Switzerland and I'm a bit nervous about.
Do you fancy making it?! We're doing the same as you in August and it would really help!!!
We are in an ioniq 5 and are only planning to stop in Dijon for two nights but going for ionity all the way.
over 30 years ago my brother and I drove nearly 3600 km through France between our vacancy with our caravans. Mostly we used the small roads which are flagged green in the Michelin road map. We saw beautiful little towns and landscapes. That trip today would not be possible with an EV today.
Actually, the French charging infrastructure is in many ways better than the UK so I don’t think that trip would be a problem in an EV.
In fact, the smaller roads being slower means greater efficiency so a better range between charges.
The only real issue is that you’d need to unhook the caravan most times to charge.
Such a lovely adventure!
It reminds me a bit our travel from Zaragoza, Spain to Rome. But it was easier than yours, it was with a petrol car. In another ocassion we went to London also by car. We love road travel throug Europe. :)
Waiting the second part!
Watching this is 2024 after.. watching the video where you dichte Italy trip in a 208e, it speaks volumes of the leap forward in charging infrastructure…
Amazing how things have improved. Imagine how it’ll be in another five years!
So what this proves is yes electric cars can go long distances but it’s important to check charging points and to check they actually work. Also it can be more hassle than filling with fuel normally but going abroad in evs is possible as I like to say nothings impossible especially if you put effort into it like you did on this journey.
...waiting for Part 2. ;)
Fantastic mate
Thanks, sir!
We did Aberdeen to Paris last year in an Ioniq. Most French chargers charge by time not kWh. Also the CCS chargers were often only on the toll motorways.
G C I have a friend ho plans to drive from Perth to SW France later this year in his leaf (Chademo), how was your charging experience?
@@craigevans6156 It was ok, but we didn't travel all that far from the channel and we plugged in to the in-laws' domestic socket. Sadly, France is about 3-4 yrs behind the UK (for once) for EVs, there's nothing like Instavolt or Engenie, yet. Outside the Rhone valley, and apart from the few Ionitys, there are only really solitary chargers in council car parks. It'll certainly be doable, but a bit less enjoyable than here.
Did you find that the charging fees were based on kWh or did they charge fees by the time connected?
Hi, very interesting, thanks . I wonder was was the cost per 100 km ?
Dear europan friends, dear Andrew, beware if you come to France nowadays ! Since this video was made, Corri-door has closed 85% of its network... Today you simply CAN'T go through France with your EV, unless it's a Tesla !
It’s still possible in an e-Niro using the IONITY network. It just costs an absolute fortune!
Interesting video. I am getting my E-niro at the end of this week, and hope to take it to Germany later this year. I am particularly intersted to find out more about the charging infrastructure.
You’ll find it far easier in Germany!
If you're thinking of using Ionity of which there are many chargers in Germany, get yourself a Maingau RFID card. Without it you'll pay 86 cts/kWh; with the card it's 40 cts. Register on their website and they'll send the card to the UK. It's free to get. Mine took about 2 weeks to come.
Ah Genoa! My favourite city. NB Brits flash their headlights to say "please, you go first." Italians flash their headlights to say "lookout losers I'm coming through!"
Excellent journey, and experience. In Turkey, we have no charging infrastructure nor electric cars; problem solved 🤷♂️
I just have a quick question how did you find the charges on your way back from Cologne to Calais. I know it's 12 months ago you did your trip. I am thinking of doing a road trip to the Nurburgring and back, in my Renault Zoe 22kWh. I was wandering what apps/cards you used.
Oh my, with 22kwh battery will be stressful, you need to upgrade to 40kwh
Really honest video, I travel Europe in my 5 series diesel BMW. I will not be switching to an ‘e’ car for some time, I can get 700 miles on one full tank, that gets me from Paris to Cannes, with fuel left over. As soon as the infrastructure is in place I will move over, it has to be the future.
Wright, Belgian BMW driver 😎 blocking the charger. Its surprises seeing an i3. Being in France , Dutch Tesla are on every streetcorner. I wonder if you redo the journey with the 45 project. The experience will be less stressier. Even in Belgium ( where i live) Ionity , Fastned and Total are expanding massively in 2 years time. Same for the North part of France , finally more HPC chargers, making these journeys much more relaxing ( just not on black weekends)
Andrew: Doesn't want to drive much.
Also Andrew: Drives to Italy.
Hi MrEV, finally there is a navigation update for Kia/Hyundai which makes a route with chargingpoints if they are needed
Great to hear! Am I right in thinking it still doesn't tell you what battery % you'll have when you get to your destination though?
@@MrEV you are right, no battery %
Bravo, I liked it.
THANK YOU, MRS. EV.
@@MrEV I don't want to be Mrs. EV!
Thanks. Enjoyed the video. Do you know of an app that allows you to search for hotels that have destination chargers? We have an e-Niro. Must have got it about same time as you. Not taken it abroad (was going this year!) but have been all over UK. Very happy with it. Looking fwd to part2 of your trip
Hotels.com does have a filter for it, although we found not all hotels were listed. In the end we opted for a combination of hotels.com, Tesla’s website and PlugShare. Not a quick or easy process, sadly! Worth bearing in mind that most of the hotels with Tesla Destination Chargers tend to be quite high end.
@@MrEV .thanks good to know. Of interest we have done about 8000 miles. Dont really try to drive economically. Car claims average consumption of 4.1 miles per kWh. Seems about right. If you make your phone mobile hotspot does the car update chargers as in uk?
@@MrEV Booking.com has a filter that shows hotels with chargers. I have been using it in planning my trip later this month from Belfast -> Cairnryan to Alicante via Eurotunnel.
Loved your vid, one question how does the Tesla destination chargers work I thought they had Def, or dedicated connecters? So how does it fit the ENero or BMW?
I believe Tesla stipulates that there should be at least one normal (Type 2) charger for each destination charger they install. That was certainly the case everywhere I went.
I’ll cover this in more detail in Part 2 but just briefly, the Tesla-only connectors have red signs above them; white signs denote chargers for all EVs.
They usually come in threes. They all use Type 2 connectors and are 22kW 3-phase AC chargers but only one will work with any EV. Model 3s only charge at a maximum of 11kW AC which is a shortcoming in Europe where 22kW chargers are prevalent.
I use CHARGEMAP in France (I live here) and it consolidates lots of networks onto the one contactless card. The Map is also very good when locating a charger.
Yes, it’d be SO much easier now! We have a card called Octopus Electroverse in the UK that works with most chargers in France too. Good value as well.
The E-Niro is advertised in the U.S. and Canada with a range of 239 miles. I noticed that has something that looked like a vote the length of the top of the car. I estimate that with that large item on the top you are cutting range to the car substantially. Another observation is that in all the previous videos I have seen, it is recommended to plan you road trip by recharging the car battery 80%. As you indicated from 80% to 100% the battery takes a long time to recharge. On the other hand I have hear from experts about lithium battery usage is that by charging to 80% you maximize the life of the battery. Also, in previous videos about the E-Niro in Norway it has been common to see a range of 400Km, 240 Miles is the advertise range by the manufacturer and in South Korea the guy got 500Km, 312 Miles which is excellent.
Your glass is obviously half full! It seemed your journey was slow, expensive and a bit stressful, as a huge EV fans & new Kia Soul EV owner from a Leaf l am looking forward to taking it to the continent. Am now thinking Norway.
Going through France wasn’t great but, as you’ll see in part 2, the situation is much better going back to the UK. Belgium, Germany, Austria - even much of Italy - is pretty good actually.
I’d love to do the same journey again, although now there’s the stress of 90% of Corri-door chargers being turned off in France and IONITY being ridiculously expensive!
Hy nice trip, if you pass by next to Paris again, come see us, we have so a E-Niro since 15 days, it would be funny to travel with several E-Niro.
At 5:49 - it would seem the pound is less than 1 EUR. Does the pound price include currency exchange taxes?
It was just a typo - sorry! The pound prices are at the current exchange rate (well, as of last week).
This must be the best commercial for Tesla model 3 SR. This hurt to watch - even though its a great adventure👍
Couple of things....
I drive a Kia E Soul and I do 450 km average. I drive it as a cab, quick but not much highways.
I must say that highway driving doesn't effect consumption badly like An Opel Ampera E.
I think 2 things are important in this roadtrip
- the roofbox dramaticly effected his consumption
- he always fast charged even when sleeping...that makes no sence
@@ferrysonder7051 I'm getting the e soul too👍 But the supercharger network is still the most reliable, fastest and integrated for long drives across Europe
Hi! You will find that Plugshare is not up to date because we don't use it in France. We use Chargemap.com which is very exhaustive with charging points in France. It's a bit like Zap Map for the UK but it's also used in other EU countries.
About the Corri-Door network, it has now been shut down because of 2 charging point failures but mostly because of legal dispute. Such a shame
plug Share is a great app but I prefer Chargehub more. Its a cleaner app and it differentiates between a Tesla charger and standard chargers that everyone else can use. Also Chargehub tells you the approx distance to the next charger.
When does it start? Nothing's happened so far
Very useful video thanks, but it's mainly made think I don't want to swap my ice for an ev, despite desperately wanting to. That just looks like total stress. Sad indeed....
You’ll find part 2 much less stressful!
The way andrew is driving is extreme, roof box and charging from high states of charge, with 50kw chargers. I am sure in part 2 he will show it to be a lot easier on ionity
"English drivers are awful when the sun comes out...." I guess it is not much of a problem then, eh? :D
Btw, real English people don’t say “gotten”
👏👏👏
Let’s hope it’s working. Imagine you getting to a gas station after meandering to find one and think Let’s hope it’s working 🙈
Thanks for the video. Can i ask if chargers accept uk contactless credit card? Thanks
Unfortunately the majority don’t yet. We’re quite advanced in the UK in that respect.
You’re still better off getting an RFID card (Shell Recharge, ChargeMyHyundai, Kia Charge etc.) and using that.
@@MrEV thanks for reply, about "chargeMyHyundai", can i confirmed that i need to register my car with the app and Order a RFID card, when use the chargers in europe, they will charge on my registered bank card on the account? Thanks
Not sure about your arithmetic at 6:04. Surely the figure in pounds should be less than the figure in euros? I think you've reversed the currencies. Either way, 'ouch' is right - I make that over £1 per kwh! Sorry to nitpick - excellent and very interesting video!
I was bound to make at least one mistake! But yes, it’s ouch in every currency.
In Italy the electric point of charge works fine.. better as you can imagine. and in several cities are free.
7:50 *I will bear this in mind when taking my next Ski Trip in my Mercedes B200 CDi AMG with 700+ Miles Range, usual stopover at Châlons-sur-Marne and onto the wonderful ski slopes at La Plagne.*
We usually do courchevel in 10 and half hours door to door from East London trough the night in diesel suv but this year brought my brothers Tesla model X to try it it took 16.5 hours with 5 stops I think
That sounds lovely. A shame to pollute that mountain air with diesel exhaust though. 😃
Did you enjoy it? Certainly easier in a Tesla.
Andrew Till / Mr. EV yes it was more straight forward then you would imagine it’s the p100d model so not quite as efficient as the standard one
Andrew Till / Mr. EV we better tell the French to get some EV piste bashes !!
I imagine Bjorn laughing at this video for days..... sorry, no rant for you Andrew.
Didn't the wife praise the Kia for it's space and easy way to carry cargo? And now it still needs a roofbox... No matter what car you drive, there'll never be enough space I guess ;)
I love my EV, but this video shows that we've got a long way to go, lots of hassle compared to just filling up with fuel.
I hope to do it again in the IONIQ 5. I think it'll be much easier with faster charging and more IONITY sites now.
@@MrEV excellent, will look forward to the video 👍
Best Charger map app for charging points in Europe?
Another gripe is why there are so many apps and payment cards. Why don’t they all just accept Android/Apple Pay or good old debit or credit cards. It’s made too difficult and this puts people off, especially if you are in a foreign country. You have already stated in another comment but you were probably better off charging more frequently to 80% when you are on the go and then 100% at a destination charger
Definitely. Even in progressive, EV-filled Norway, they have to rely on a mass of RFID cards. Strange, really. All new chargers in the UK have to accept contactless cards now I think so that’s a step in the right direction.
I did not realise anyone could use a Tesla destination charger. I’ve googled it a few times and couldn’t see any place where it explicitly says you can. Stayed in Bourges last year (had our ICE car) and they had 4 destination chargers, most not used.
It was news to me, too! I did a bit of research beforehand and was fairly confident that whenever there’s more than one destination charger, at least one will work with non-Tesla EVs. I did check with hotels before we went though, just to make sure.
This still feels like the early days of EVs and charging networks. We are emigrating to France in a couple of months and as much as i’d like to do it in an EV (we’re on our second Zoe), it’s still far too much faff compared to an ICE. So we are going to have to buy our way our of the Renault Lease (£3,900!!!) and buy a French registered lhd car in England to own in France until the charger network resembles something vaguely useful.
Oh, that’s so depressing. 😔
The Niro doesn't fast charge fast enough, roof boxes destroy economy. Available destination chargers are amazing.
That’s summed up the trip far more succinctly than I could have. No need to do part 2 now! 😀
You should have links to other part imho
Did you ever try plugging into an AC outlet?
In part 2, yes: ruclips.net/video/urDg-OwBJf4/видео.html - go to 09:20
Very cool. But realized that the infrastructure is not the same the world over. I have an EV that I use in my small, remote town in SE Alaska. But if I want to do any kind of long trip... it just ain't possible. There are hundreds of miles in Alaska and Canada without any place to charge. So it goes around here. Not complaining, just a reminder that there are differences.
I don’t doubt that! There are pockets of charger emptiness all over the place, even in the UK. Is it any better with a Tesla where you are?
@@MrEV Not so much. If you live in Anchorage or maybe Fairbanks, then I'm sure it's no problem finding Tesla charge stations. But if you live out in the remote areas like me, then no luck right now. Of course I'm sure that will change.
Which ev?
@@cosettapessa6417 Nissan Leaf.
@@mikek2218 cool
I try to convince myself to get an e-Niro but seems that only Tesla can be a joy when you travel long distance, long distance I mean a trip that you can not make in one charge to drive back home...
Give it a year and infrastructure will improve 100% but for now Tesla Superchargers still the best for charging across Europe if you don't want to spend lots of time worrying about whether you can actually charge and if the charger is actually available to use when you want to (why do charging apps not show if the chargers are all in use)?
I couldn’t agree more. Driving a Tesla is the most painless experience by far. Nothing else comes close.
Hi interesting video but you're probably over estimating your costs as you're often multiplying the exchange rate by the euro amount instead of dividing.
The sterling value will always be less than the euro value as sterling is stronger than the euro.
With charging we have android vs apple to use that analogy. Tesla built a massive charging network whilst promoting their cars when pick up happened there was an infrastructure in place to charge their cars all over the place. smart business practice. Other companies have to amalgamate to combat this which Android systems did to combat Apple. It will happen
at hotel you were staying at to ask if they would be long it would be they could have moved if finished sooner and then you could have got on sooner
or maybe the hotel should reserved charger for a customer or maybe they could have provided 3 pin plug charge to get you to a near charger
or you need to tell the hotel that you need the charger and you are booking there hotel for that reason.
if you were staying for 10 days why did you not remove the box and so increase car range losing the drag
I’ve learned it’s best to charge up to 80% at a DC fast charger on road trips
Yes, that’s definitely the best option.
Given you were heavily restricted by aerodynamics of your roof box If you had dropped from 80 to 70mph your range would increase by maybe 30% (my estimate - square of ratio of speeds) and would have made your destination withoiut stopping . Yes you would add maybe 20 minutes on time because you were slower but saved more time overall by not having to stop to charge. The tortoise beats the hare.
I'm about to attempt something similar in the same model of car and now I feel a little worried.
You’ll find it much easier now! Get the app called Bonnet as it apparently makes IONITY charges very cheap.
Just a tip on the return to England though: charge up at Champfleury as much as you can. The chargers on the way back to Calais are on the wrong side of the road and involve soul-destroying u-turns.
@@MrEV This is super good advice which I will follow to the letter. A big merci beaucoup from me and my copilot!
@@MrEV Trip to France completed and safely home. I didn't have a great deal of luck with the Ionity app or Bonnet. But ABRP app was very useful for finding chargers.
I found the trip stressful on the outbound leg and quietly longed for a petrol car. But far less stressful on the trip back. We found that more or less every motorway service station had chargers. And only once was there anything you might think of as a queue.
Around Provence we found lots of community charging machines, usually placed in the centre of towns / villages - and while these were slow chargers, it did mean you got the only available prime parking spot AND a nice bit of charge when e.g. dining out.
Perhaps new since this video was made is a company called "Fastned" - their machines were amazing, and sheltered. So look out for them. Contactless payment, and no app fuss.
As for that last 100km stretch back into Calais that MR EV warns about - still not much there, so easy to get caught out. But, we did see on the Folkstone side of Euro Tunnel some building work opposite the bank of 9 mostly unused Tesla chargers which looked like an intended new bank of fast EV Chargers for non-Tesla EVs.
If the Le Pass card didn't work the first time and the company rebooted the machine I would have tried the NewMotion card first
The whole trip down on your holidays was total concentration on charging that b****y car. God I am pleased I have a 3.6l V6 under my hood I just drive and enjoy my holiday. Good video though.
My wife saw the video and actually said it was a great reminder of the trip, so we have happy memories, even if it doesn’t seem that way from the video! Actually, I’d argue it makes it a bit more of an adventure!
Seems a lot of trouble due to charging points if someone is waiting to charge and your behind them ,plans throw them away
My biggest issue with EV's at this time is the price of new EV's :(
Even if the additional 6k grant is added to the current 3k i would still struggle :(
Yes, they do cost a fortune right now. Leasing is possibly the most cost-effective way of getting a new EV.
What we really need is cheap second-hand ones. For that we have a good two or three years to wait, sadly.
Can any EV use the Tesla destination charger for free?
Both Teslas and other EVs can use them for free in theory. The establishment might decide to charge for use of the charger but they shouldn't charge any more if you don't have a Tesla.