Ooh, that's an interesting scenario! I think Tolkien had mentioned in one of his letters that most individuals in Middle Earth could not claim the Ring for long, because Sauron would ultimately dominate their minds and take it back. Gandalf may have had a shot if he had tried, but it would have been close. Would Shelob then have fared better in a mental battle with the Dark Lord? If not through her innate power than simply because her mind is so different than that of most other beings? Rather than attempting to dominate the world, I imagine Shelob sitting tight in Cirith Ungol and using her power to command the Witch King to bring her new victims. Like Uber Eats except Ungol Eats.
That is the most awful and terrifying thing that was going through my head, likely it would not be Shelob herself overrunning Middle Earth, but her numberless spawn. YUCKKK!!
I love the part in The Silmarillion when Morgoth has told Ungoliant he would, "give of the spoils to you, yea with both hands" and when theyre done she reminds him of this and he has the Silmarils in hid hidden hand! Never has a more gluttonous and disastrous day been in all of the long life of Arda. Ungoliant, I think is the most terrifying being ever created by Tolkien; she cares for nothing but feeding the emptiness in her belly and wants nothing but darkness yet light is what she consumes. Theres definitely an analogy to humankind there somewhere. A very cynical one to be certain.
What about this: The Witch King of Angmar knows that physical force has never been the primary strength of the Nazgul. Rather, the Nazgul relied primarily on fear, and he realized quickly that this weapon would not work on Shelob. So he attempts to control her using his magic. When he does this, Shelob learns that commanding other beings is a thing a creature could do to another another. This thought had not occurred to her before. She attempts to control the Witch King, and as the Ring Bearer she succeeds and he kneels before her.... Then you've got the Nazgul commanding hoards of Shelob's spider-offspring taking over the world! How fun is that?
I don't think that Shelob would have understood or been interested in The One Ring...what it offered wouldn't have motivated her. Interesting video, though
All in all, fun thought experiments aside, your scenario is most likely given the setting and all the author has established. Now, if Ungoliant somehow came out of the "deeps of time" and got the Ring, maybe a different thing would happen.
@@johnnyboygriffin5764 i believe tolkien stated that a being from the same order as sauron or above (a maiar or a valar) could master the ring if they killed sauron the result would be the same as destroying the ring as it now has a new master.
I think, she would have gotten mad with them burning inside her. Like Carcharoth, she would devour and destroy everything in her way. But at the end, she would still devour herself and perish from the world. But leaving Belleriand behind in utter ruin. Nice question though, would make an amazing what if video
oh we went with the physical eye of Sauron? I liked it as a well described measure of Sauron’s control. I suppose the new writing could tilt towards my preference. The pictures do not BUT THEN AGAIN, how would you illustrate such a thing without a physical object. 🤔 Fun topic!
My favourite interpretation of Shelob is in Shadow of War. She does obtain a ring of power, but she's attacked by the nazgul. She successfully fights them off, but afterwards decides it's not worth all the trouble, so she returns it to Talion.
Kind of already answered in the book. Shelob is only on the story because Gollum knew she wouldn't care about the ring, she would just kill Frodo and Sam and Gollum could get his ring back.
The ring would not corrupt Shelob like it would others, because she was already as dark as it gets. So she would gain power but not be corrupted by it.
Again and again I am left with the feeling of how broken Middle Earth is, how inept Eru Illuvatar was to build such a flawed place, fought over by such sick and corruptable beings. All things ultimately came from Eru Illuvatar, and is a reflection of his own defects. Eru Illuvatar, who endlessly roams his "mansions" with white robes grandly flapping.
Last time I was here this early, the light of the two trees shined
@@Trashpanda92 lol
Two lamps for me
Ooh, that's an interesting scenario! I think Tolkien had mentioned in one of his letters that most individuals in Middle Earth could not claim the Ring for long, because Sauron would ultimately dominate their minds and take it back. Gandalf may have had a shot if he had tried, but it would have been close.
Would Shelob then have fared better in a mental battle with the Dark Lord? If not through her innate power than simply because her mind is so different than that of most other beings?
Rather than attempting to dominate the world, I imagine Shelob sitting tight in Cirith Ungol and using her power to command the Witch King to bring her new victims. Like Uber Eats except Ungol Eats.
Im freaked out by spiders, yet i have a weird fascination of creatures like Shelob and Ungoliant…idk why i torture myself like this haha
Last time I was this early, Varda hadn’t made the stars yet
I think she would have also bred like CRAZY
That is the most awful and terrifying thing that was going through my head, likely it would not be Shelob herself overrunning Middle Earth, but her numberless spawn. YUCKKK!!
I love the part in The Silmarillion when Morgoth has told Ungoliant he would, "give of the spoils to you, yea with both hands" and when theyre done she reminds him of this and he has the Silmarils in hid hidden hand! Never has a more gluttonous and disastrous day been in all of the long life of Arda. Ungoliant, I think is the most terrifying being ever created by Tolkien; she cares for nothing but feeding the emptiness in her belly and wants nothing but darkness yet light is what she consumes. Theres definitely an analogy to humankind there somewhere. A very cynical one to be certain.
VERY interesting question. One I had not considered.
Me either. I thought she was more like an animal not quite sentient
What about this: The Witch King of Angmar knows that physical force has never been the primary strength of the Nazgul. Rather, the Nazgul relied primarily on fear, and he realized quickly that this weapon would not work on Shelob. So he attempts to control her using his magic.
When he does this, Shelob learns that commanding other beings is a thing a creature could do to another another. This thought had not occurred to her before. She attempts to control the Witch King, and as the Ring Bearer she succeeds and he kneels before her....
Then you've got the Nazgul commanding hoards of Shelob's spider-offspring taking over the world! How fun is that?
Sounds like shadow of war level lore breaking but still sounds fun not gonna lie.
The Witch King is a mighty sorcerer. I'm not sure he'd be that easily defeated/dominated
@@scottmccrea1873 he would the nazgul are bound to the one ring and those who wear.
@@Maegorthecrueltargaryen that's an interesting question. Would she be smart enough or strong enough to fully control the One?
Good one ❤
*The Darth Nihlius of Middle Earth!*
I don't think that Shelob would have understood or been interested in The One Ring...what it offered wouldn't have motivated her.
Interesting video, though
All in all, fun thought experiments aside, your scenario is most likely given the setting and all the author has established. Now, if Ungoliant somehow came out of the "deeps of time" and got the Ring, maybe a different thing would happen.
Yes! I was hoping you’d do this one!
What if Tree Beard got the ring
A lot of stomped orcs 😂
@@TheCrazyCanuck420 Bru-ra-hroom! Bru-ra-hroom!
Time for orcs to meet their doom.
I love the parallelism with Ungoliant vs. Melkor, very much in the Tolkienian mythological spirit
Oooh what if Sauron, like Melkor, called for the balrogs, but someone already took care of that 🧙♂️
If Shelob got the One Ring, she definitely would have become more powerful
One thing I don't understand, if the one ring serves only sauron, how could anyone ever use it against him?
That would make for a good video topic. I'm wondering the same thing.
It “serves” only Sauron, that doesn’t mean it wouldn’t impart power in its own way unto others
If you're strong enough you can use it but eventually it will come to its master and he's immortal so can wait a while if needed.
@@johnnyboygriffin5764 i believe tolkien stated that a being from the same order as sauron or above (a maiar or a valar) could master the ring if they killed sauron the result would be the same as destroying the ring as it now has a new master.
What if Ungoliant consumed the silmarils?
Sounds like a light meal.
I think, she would have gotten mad with them burning inside her. Like Carcharoth, she would devour and destroy everything in her way. But at the end, she would still devour herself and perish from the world. But leaving Belleriand behind in utter ruin.
Nice question though, would make an amazing what if video
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oh we went with the physical eye of Sauron? I liked it as a well described measure of Sauron’s control. I suppose the new writing could tilt towards my preference. The pictures do not BUT THEN AGAIN, how would you illustrate such a thing without a physical object. 🤔
Fun topic!
My favourite interpretation of Shelob is in Shadow of War. She does obtain a ring of power, but she's attacked by the nazgul. She successfully fights them off, but afterwards decides it's not worth all the trouble, so she returns it to Talion.
Kind of already answered in the book. Shelob is only on the story because Gollum knew she wouldn't care about the ring, she would just kill Frodo and Sam and Gollum could get his ring back.
"There is only One 'Lord of the Ring'...and he does not share power."
Whether Shelob had intellectual knowledge of the Ring, is Part 1: knowing of the Ring would create desire.
The ring would not corrupt Shelob like it would others, because she was already as dark as it gets. So she would gain power but not be corrupted by it.
interesting title
If shelob got the one ring of power we would be looking at ungoliant 2.0
i think she would have sought sauron to suck his power
Would she have recognized the Ring and what it is?
And would she have used it or been like Tom and just ignored it?
I want to know what happens if Darth Vader gets the one ring. Maybe rings of puke will show that in the next mockery, I mean season. They produce.
Well she got A Ring in Shadow of War. Does that count
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Again and again I am left with the feeling of how broken Middle Earth is, how inept Eru Illuvatar was to build such a flawed place, fought over by such sick and corruptable beings. All things ultimately came from Eru Illuvatar, and is a reflection of his own defects. Eru Illuvatar, who endlessly roams his "mansions" with white robes grandly flapping.
I already know the answer. It wouldn't do anything because shelob doesn't have a finger to put it on.
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Soul not spirit.
She would help Talion