To be fair since she can't really pay for a big advertisement campagn been active on social media an interacting with the community is a great way to make up for it. Of course since she an animator not a communication major she mess up but even drama give exposure. Like they say bad publicity is still publicity
It would be useful, sure, but it would also be cutting her off from interacting with fans and seeing pretty fan art. It would be helpful but it's not fair to her that she can't be on an app just to stop people from bothering her :(
The Mimzie controversy really took me by surprise. I’m Jewish, and I assure you my first thought wasn’t, “This is an Antisemitic character and I’m offended.” You put it perfectly: if someone looks at Mimzie, and, with no support, assumes she’s an offensive portrayal of Jews, that says much more about them than Vivzie.
@@bobthebuilder9708 She also just hits a lot of the aunt that only talks to you when she needs money stereotype. Like that's a really common character trend how can people actually call this antisemitic
If Poison fetishizes SA and bad relationships, then so does Toxic by Britney Spears, Love the Way You Lie by Rhianna and Eminem and many other songs by big artists. The ending of Poison even has Angel Dust expressing his regret and want to get out, practically crying.
Poison shows that Angel is continiously roofied. To the point the BDSM gangrape he is full on just collapsing and being ragdolled around. Not consenting to that blowjob whatsoever. He'd also been CLEARLY drugged for it by Val.
Anyone with 2 brain cells to understand the lyrics can see poison is a metaphor for the toxic hold val has on angel and HIS struggle to leave. nothing romantic about it
That's the thing, it clearly doesn't. People saying it does either haven't watched the show properly and just jumped to make a hasty response or they're willfully lying about it. Either option is idiotic.
I thought the whole point was that Adam was just some white dude. Like "of course just some mediocre white guy who got lucky would have the ridiculous overconfidence and ego to think that he could be the arbiter of everything good and bad in the world." I literally thought that was just the joke?
What's not accurate about it? It's impossible to know his skin color as it's not specified. I can say that the Bible does not agree with the out of Africa theory. Eden was in and around Turkey...
We (fandom) may be annoying a$$holes but us being more offended is impossible lol I grew up with fundamental religious people lol nah bro lolollol Especially the religious people I grew up with .....got offended over literally everything. When I was a kid Finding Nemo was evil because it showed a non traditional family. We weren't allowed to watch it if you were part of the church ....like the mom fish died??? I can go on with examples if you want. This comment is already too long tho
What's stupid is the fact that people keep bringing old shit up like it's relevant, and when you bring up the debunk, they either don't say shit or double down.
@@NightmareRex6 Personally I would hold a presidential candidate to a higher standard than I would the creator of a animated series. I'm not American, but I definitely wouldn't vote for Trump if I was. Even ignoring all the stuff he allegedly did, he's pretty much a textbook example of a selfish narcissist and I find that to be a dealbreaker for anyone applying to a leadership position.
So, this boils down to "We hate this person and don’t want them to succeed so we’ll witch-hunt them." The Internet is full of this petty vindictiveness. It’s not unusual sadly.
You know what really grinds my gears? A creator I like being accused of doing something incredibly scandalous, ONLY the creator and not the devoted team that also works on it, but people decide destroy the entire team's hard work just because they were associated with the creator and might have had no idea what was going on. But, my gears have been eroded away with how many times they've been grinded. :/
@@BlastFromTheGhast The whole point of witch hunters is that they are falsely accusing people. Hence the name. Slaughtering someone's career for something they did 9 years ago is not a false accusation. Anyways I still have not found out what Vivzie actually did. This falls under the category of witch hunt
as someone who could be called a SJW. yeah that seems to be it. also those discord messages didn't even seem that bad imo. it's like kinda in bad taste but that's about it.
The funniest thing about all this drama people are trying to stir up with Viv, is that the vast majority of watchers of helluva boss and Hazbin hotel will never know about it, as your average viewer doesn't really dig into that kind of info, they're just there for the show.
@@VanessaLol421 People have been being dicks to her since she was making school animation projects on youtube and writing a webcomic. Not so much drama as targeted harassment at some point.
exactky٫ i didnt know about any of this drama bc i just like helluva boss and uazbin hotel٫ I also like vivs artstyle so theres that.. But idk about any of the drama lol
@enzo4zero168 And its always a "nothing burger" like Ayy Lmao said, like out of all of these the conclusion I came was that Vivzie was edgy when she was younger and that she should have invited the OG cast to the premiere, and somehow alot of the internet can't see this.
I feel like even if Adam did look biblically accurate, people would STILL be mad that the main villain would be POC. Hell, in the bible its even stated Adam and Eve arent black, white, Egyptian or anything, so no matter what it wouldn't be "bibically accurate." People just find anything to throw this show under the bus. If this show was made by some big company, nobody would care.
People would then be mad because he would be a portrayal of a POC who isn't actually a good person. That's one reason people are listing for why they don't like Mimzy being a plus size character. Because she is a bad person. Because apparently, plus size people can't be bad? in the show about hell?? because it's "poor representation"???
If they made it so Mimzy was in Hell/bad BECAUSE she was plus-sized, that'd be bad. But she's a gambling addict and greedy, selfish bitch who HAPPENS to be plus-sized and being pkus-sized isn't her one character trait. That's actually really nice, speaking as a big person myself! People need to go outside and touch some fucking grass
Bro in Record of Ragnarok Adam has blonde hair and blue eyes, yet nobody gives a sh*t about that. In fact, everybody loves him So they're just hating for hatred's sake
Twitter is such a crazy place for Hazbin. I once said that Mammon being fat could represent his greed, and someone accused me of stereotyping fat people. Not only was that not what i was doing, but also wasn't that what you guys were doing with Beezlbub? I have friends who eat a lot and stay skinny. It's just crazy.
I remember back in like 2021 I reblogged some joke post on Tumblr, a lot of people were tagging all sorts of different characters and I just put "This sounds like Angel Dust lol". OP reblogged it saying how gross Hazbin fans were taking over their post and telling me to die over and over. I apologised because I thought I'd really upset them and they were just like: "Oh it's fine I just don't like the show." Like wtf is wrong with people??
@@felipe00006”Why tf would they show a character get SA’d and the struggles of it? Wow this is so glorifying I’m sick.” “Let me go watch South Park or family guy, quagmire always cheers me up with his funny scenes with girls like the one where he was with a minor” Is the type of energy comments like this or the ones complaining about SA remind me of🤡
One person accused me once of being a "sexual deprabed" person just cause I had Angel Dust as my pfp, and cause I was simping for character named White Diamond from Steven Universe lol and one person told me that my opinion was "invalid" cause I had teen Fizzaroli as my pfp...It is weird that I didn't got hated still for having Lilith as my pfp and I still didn't got hate for having Carmilla Carmine as my pfp on Twitter, and I hope it stays like that, cause it is annoying being hated only cause I have a character from a show they don't like for some reason as my pfp lol
@@ChrisMartin-iy2yy and some cringy things me and others did in school seemed to have manafested later, like in high school (was before ""daycore"" and ""nightcore"" was a thing, we made demon and chipmonk remixes of tons music, we created a "Z" "Im a Z a zee lazy" and NOW its an LGBTQ gender...... an effign middleshcool oke manafested as soemthign peaople now think is SERIUS FFS, if ask me it is STILL A JOKE, as like the clown symbolism in the show, this entire WORLD is a clown-circus-shit-show!
People: "Poison fetishizes abuse!" the literal lyrics in poison: "Im going to die from this poison, I wish I didn't have this poison." Wow, it truly is glorifying it! /s
The end of the song portraying Angel feeling sick and tired of the way he’s been living, and wanting to escape. Even his voice quivers to really sell the point: Poison, I'm drownin' in poison I'm fillin' up my glass but it's always hollow Full of poison, I'm sick of the poison Wish I had something to live for tomorrow… Some random twitter user with a single braincell: “ OMG glorification! How can Viviene support this!? How was this allowed!? 😤 “
A couple of years ago I asked my friends if they had watched Helluva Boss, but they said no because Vivziepop would have involved minors. However, I never found anything online to support the accusation, and when this accusation is not listed in this video, it finally confirms it as false and I still don't know where my friends got the whole idea from and why they didn't fact-check the claim.
i used to have a group of friends that were throwing around the same accusations back in 2016. when i asked for proof, their silence was REALLY telling, even for the dumbass my 13 year old self was.
Yeah, some asshole on a Facebook short about Hazbin, said that one of Vivzi’s artists was a pedo and that they were tired of arguing and that they would not show evidence and that we could find it ourselves. I was pissed, you don’t say shit like that without backing it up.
I just ran into this exact accusation from my friend. I didn't ask for evidence because I honestly don't know much about all of this. But from this well researched video, it does indeed seem like tons of people inventing scandals and controversy, just to hate.
literally 2 weeks ago i was on tiktok and made a comment asking if this one person even knew what "glorifying" means or entails (since everyone kept saying poison "glorifies" SA, even though it doesnt, and theyre all using the word wrong), and another random person replied to me saying "yall do know vivziepop said poison was 'come-worthy' right". so obviously, i said "no i didnt know that, where did you get that information?" guess what? a week went by, no reply. so i asked for proof again. no reply. i've tried finding information about their claim on my own and have not found a single thing. i swear it's like people just lost all ability to use critical thinking and to fact-check stuff before going online and spreading/consuming misinformation as though it's gospel
@@akfjskngksj I think this person got this idea because of Vivziepop's tweet promoting poison, were she makes a joke with the word "cum" and, considering the theme of the song it was taken badly- But we all know that making sex jokes is Vivzie's humor and I personally see it as an honest mistake where she didn't even realize how bad it could've sounded (I think the joke was something like "cum listen to the music" or something among these lines, but i'm not sure tho- Take all I said with a grain of salt lmao)
yup, cancel culture has ruined people's ability to think normally and critically. It's become so insanely toxic. Like can we save this shit for people who are geuinenly horrible immoral people who have no intent of changing??? instead of creators who've just made mistakes and has obviously changed-
It's honestly disgusting that people dig shit up or make up shit to be pissed off about. Like let people be people unless it's actually bad like pedophile bad
EXACTLY God, don't you just hate it when the people who make TV shows end up being real people who've made mistakes of differing severity and cringe at them later in life?
On the topic of episode four I heard a lovely quote that I think describes that episode perfectly, art disturbs the comfortable and comforts the disturbed. Episode four drew attention to very hard to talk about topics, making people more aware of them and also showing people in similar situations that they're not alone, the episode handles the topic very well in my opinion
I agree. You can really tell who hasn't actually gone through what Angel Dust has, because as far as I've seen people who've been sexually assaulted relate quite a lot to Angel and the song 'Poison' and they like both because of it. Also hypersexuality is a common trauma response to people who've been exually assaulted. I swear these people haven't done any actual research... What next? Are they gonna get pissed off because a character with mommy issues thinks every women they meet is a slut?
I saw that quote too and it made me realize why I reacted the way I did to episode four. I felt like I could relate to Angel to a certain point and it felt like someone was pointing out someone in me. I’m not the only one, a lot of people who have also dealt with SA have said Angels mask of promiscuity falling off made them realize their own coping mechanisms
@@katherine_queen5294 exactly the episode is good, especially for people in a similar situation to angel, it could help them realize they do the same thing and then they can try to work on better ways to cope with it. besides we saw the addict video, that just gave us a taste of what the show was going to expand on
I was SA'd over a long period of time and watching that episode felt cathartic to me. I haven't seen a piece of media that depicts it like that before. It's fucked up but I admired how much better Angel wore the mask (during the abuse) than I did. It felt like I was seeing someone not only go through what I did but also go through it more resiliently so I admired his strength. It really made me feel like I'm not alone
I feel bad for vivzie, people paint her as a monster and when she actually lashes out because of the unjustified hate she gets bashed for it. Vivziepop was one of my inspirations to start animating, I and my sister used to watch her die young mv on repeat!
Some people don't support her because of the controversies she's been into. Like if you don't like her or her shows, that's fine, but if you absolutely hate her with a burning passion and go end up doxxing her, posting death threats to her and her fans and other bad things, you need to grow up, or better yet, just ignore her and move on with your day. I'm getting really fed up with the hate and bullying from these people, demonizing Viv and calling her a bad person. UGH, I'M OVER IT!!😡😮💨
another thing thats been eating away at me, people hate viv for her depictions of SA and other situations, but they say nothing about south park, whos been doing it for YEARS. 2025 edit: Jesus y'all are still beefing
I'd also say her SA depections and showing why its fucking shit and how it breaks someone are pretty good. Like hell are people too stupid to understand Poison or Loser Baby?
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@@Sky-nq9pw Not to mention the fools who because their own experience or that of someone they know was the opposite of hypersexual behavior that means it cannot be a thing for victims of SA. Never mind countless people who have come forward and said the exact reason they were hypersexual was because they felt they had no control of or right to their own body, that if they didn't just give it up to others it would be worse or that at least by them choosing to do it, they had some form of control of it unlike when they got SA'd. And that is just a very simplistic explanation of those I know who have been SA'd and went the Angel route of drugs, booze and lots of sex.
That's because they only go after people who care about that. They bite the ones closest to them, not their opposites. South Park is intentionally awful. They don't go after that. They go after those trying to portray it right, but not doing it their way.
The lackadaisy situation was so dumb The Lackadaisy crew was in the wrong. A crew member assumed Vivzie made a 5,000 dollar donation for a PR stunt and were told that they were incorrect and that the Spindle Horse crew pitched in to show good will. The member then doubled down, went around spreading lies and the Lackadaisy crew defended them. This was definitely disappointing on the Lackadaisy crew’s part. I can’t believe their stubbornness and ignorance led to them 1. Making a mountain out of a mole hill and 2. Loosing 5,000 dollars
Yeah, I still cant take how massively DUMB it was! The worst part is that it left a bitter taste in my mouth in regards to Lackadaisy, since I loved the pilot
This is exactly why I cant stand Lackadaisy fans who constantly jump into hellaverse spaces and go "well at least we arent YOU guys Lackadaisy is so much purer and better couldnt be us UwU" if you ask me this behavior is twice as insufferable as hazbin hotel fans
I mean who cares if it was a PR stunt anyway. Its a show of good faith, and generous support. I cant believe anyone would get hissy over receiving a donation to benefit your product, its a win win. Makes both companies look good to send out a note of thanks and move on. Thats how business should be done, through connections, and support, generosity.
To sum it all up, basically... VivziePop: I'm gonna try my hardest to make my dream cartoons a reality. Twitter: I took that personally, I'm offended, and I hate you!
The thing about Discord Screenshots is it is very easy to fake them. Hell the SCP wiki has a template for writers to create fictional discord chats for their articles. So there is no way to guarantee these are real in that case.
damn. so it would of not mattered if I could report to authorities when I was in the server with the guy who told everyone what he did to his cousins one father's day weekend
@@kaiyodei It could still be used as evidence but it would require multiple witnesses, representatives from Discord who could confirm the authenticity and analysis from a digital forensic expert. It won't be thrown out immediately but there will need to be other evidence.
Ok wait a minute, you're telling me that the whole chat with Verbalase about transphobic things he said might be fake (I'm referring to the whole drama about the 47k he spent)
I just started getting into this series and I started hear the controversy of Vivzie. She’s living my WORST nightmare!! There are so many cringey things I’ve said, done, and met others in the past who’ve wronged me and apologized. Each controversy this woman went through is INSANE to me!! I would be so mortified if all my cringey art also got resurfaced when I was teen or just especially when I had no idea what I was doing!! Everything I hear now will be a grain of salt, this is an excellent video
Honestly, I feel so bad for Vivzie. Drawing cringey stuff as a teen is not a crime, honestly, the fact that she didn't quit yet because of all that is admirable.
That part about people getting kicked out of friend groups for liking Vivziepop’s shows, I can somewhat relate. I tend to keep it secret from friends and family, in fear of being disowned.
One of my lovely friends on an online game would say their opinion on hazbin and said how angel was a horrible character, and how Mimzy was a Jewish stereotype???
This is just Deviant art style drama. She made a successful show, and like the type of people that constantly create drama comes along with the territory, Vivsie made a show on a very strict budget, and the SGA union has their say in any show produced in LA which forced the VA replacements.
What’s really sad is that there’s a theory going around about a good bunch of her “critics.” While some have valid points, most of them have one trait in common: artists, indie animators etc. Unfortunately not every indie artist gets their big break like Vivzie and they become jaded afterwards towards her.
The funny this is that some people claim that she's fetishizing SA (Like angel and val) while it's clearly the opposite, she showing the dynamic of toxic relationships in all of its ugliness with the latter coming into a climax with "Poison" Anyone with a few braincells can draw that conclusion
@@Ratsarehomiesit can be hard for an artist to take criticism on something that they’ve put their whole heart into it. It makes sense. But maybe she should set herself a daily Twitter limit so she doesn’t spiral and make herself look bad? I’ve heard she’s really nice irl, so that absolutely means that her online interactions are the issue
i despise her haters, but i do agree her cartoons need to tone down on the cursing because the Myth "Cursing= mature" has long been debunked and other indie cartoons even shown that.
Fandoms since 2018 really haven't felt the same 😅 I thought people joined fandoms to enjoy the shows and have fun , not cause drama wars and hate creators like it's going out of style.
@@Ratsarehomiesalot of the " criticism" she gets is ethier not even legitimant criticism or its criticism based off a fake drama some Twitter user made up. It's just odd. If anything itd be best for her to delete/go inactive on her main and just have a team account that only posts updates on projects.
I know Vivienne Medrano is not perfect, but that is because none of us are perfect. I just hope this hatedom does not push Viv nor anyone close to her over the deep end.
The poison/Angel Dust controversy was honestly very hurtful. I'm a COCSA and abuse survivor, and when the song came out, it felt like someone finally managed to capture the struggle of living through and managing through that sort of thing. Ive always related to angel dust in some of the ways he coped and acted and it was genuinely distressing when people claimed he was a romanticism of abuse and prostitution. Never once is the abuse shown as desirable or good, but because he is an openly sexual character apparently that means his abuse is portrayed as a positive thing. In the words of someone i knew from tumblr, Angel Dust may not be a real person with real feelings, but talking like this about him can genuinely harm a real survivor who comes across it.
i mean the worst part is that the storyboarding was done by someone who fetishizes angel's struggle, so thats why people dont like how the music video is portrayed. i think it was just really irresponsible of vivzie to let someone like that handle the storyboarding for a serious topic, because its foolish to act like their kink didnt effect how angel dust was portrayed, and i think thats actually super sad. not to say people with kinks cant write heavy stuff in a respectful way, its just the specific person who storyboarded it and other angel dust assault scenes actually fetishizes angel's relationship with his abuser, and i think it sucks not to acknowledge their presence as a storyboarder as part of angel dusts controversy, because its really the worst handling of his character. i dont think the character himself is romanticizing abuse, but vivzie allowing a rape fetishist to work on the show and on specific scenes of sexual assault is really bad, and really calls into question her motives with him.
@@WaferTots 🤣🤣🤣 As a survivor of sexual abuse, and domestic violence get that kinda ignorance tf outta here. That video was the most healing, cathartic thing I've ever seen. People who have been through it, get it. The people who identify with Angel, love it, the song and the scene. If it makes you uncomfortable, 1) it's supposed to, and 2) you're missing the point.
@@AWindy94 I completely understand what the music video and shit means to you, I’m just saying the creator made a mistake by allowing a fetishist to work on the video, because it definitely affected the art and soured its message. I’m not arguing that the concept of poison and stuff was bad or anything, just the execution and choices that were made. You know I can still be critical of media while understanding its good parts and positive impact right? And you can also like something while acknowledging its flaws?
I legit met Vivzie at Megacon Orlando last week, and she is one of the nicest people I have ever met, and I even told her how she was a trailblazer for indie animation as a whole during her panel and everyone cheered. She even got adored by me showing her a video of my cat Sabrina, because she loves and has cats, overall, the hate on her is mostly nonsense if you ask me.
Honestly, I don't have any problems with Vivzie personally. My only complaints are small criticism with certain bits of writing but her shows are still good.
Dude I was just there too, she was super nice to me and my friend and actually answered questions that we had. Not rude, disrespectful or anything, she was genuinely nice to both of us and was actually genuinely interested in what I had to say abt her show, I hate this drama sm 😭
honestly. it's refreshing to see vivziepop sticking up for herself and being unafraid to lash out at her haters during the times when she has been unfairly accused or treated. So many times i see content creators being forced to apologise and more when they didn't do anything wrong, it's infuriating to see. They are people and they have feelings, they get angry.
She's feeding the trolls, the number one thing you SHOULDN'T do. If she didn't reply to literally every minor criticism of her show or her character she wouldn't be the world's most popular lolcow.
so....i got brainwashed by tumblr insisting that shes the devil herself, only to find out NOW that she's not as bad as they made her out to be ???? what ??????? honestly i feel low-key upset cuz i couldve given hazbin hotel or helluva boss a shot when they were starting but didnt :/
Vivienne is not perfect, certainly not. I mean Jesus, the woman needs to get off Twitter. But people try to stir up trouble where they can because she and her team did something unheard of.
@SlimeyBaron Agreed; the woman is soring, no need to focus on "low lifes". She should just keep chasing after her goals and not let people hurt what might just be the most memorable moments of her life.
How is poison sexualizing abuse..it’s a literal cry for help…(correct me if I’m wrong) but at this point it literally gives a warning at the beginning “don’t watch if not 18+.” It’s your choice to watch it..people make me mad in the fandom 😭
no literally😭 at the end he literally says “im drowning in poison” “i’m sick of the poison” ??? HE DOESNT LIKE IT😭 it’s not glamorizing sexual abuse at all, it’s about him being forced to put up with it all to the point where he convinces himself it’s what he wants, but really he just wants it to stop. it’s literally a cry for help :/
Mfs will say they want representation & diverse characters...and then say they're problematic when they get them, I will never understand these people😂
She's literally a background character who happens to be trans, I honestly think that that's pretty cool. This might be an unpopular opinion but I feel like a lot of shows that contain trans characters often put them in the spotlight and nowhere else, which is great and way better than having no representation at all, but feels kind of repetitive. Yes, being trans is nothing to be ashamed of, but it doesn't have to be treated as a whole spectacle, which is what I feel a lot of shows tend to do. As a trans person, I think that a show having trans background characters makes the show feel more real and fleshed out. It sends a message to the world that trans folks are just like “normal” (cis) folks - they can be main characters, but they can also be background characters. They're just people at the end of the day. Helluva Boss is the first show that I've seen do this and I think it's really cool. There are probably plenty of other shows and whatnot that have done this, but Helluva Boss is just the one that I saw first. Also fun fact: There can be more trans imps seen in the background in S1E8. The imp that talks to Blitzø when he and Loona are in the van about to leave the party is actually a trans guy. There are probably more in the background of later episodes like S2E7 or S2E1 but Queen Bee's episode is the first one that comes to mind.
“Just because you’re offended or don’t like something doesn’t mean you’re right.” “Never argue with stupid, closed-minded people! They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
Something to know about the recast: For some reason, Michael Kovach has talked multiple times about how he wanted to return to voice Angel Dust-he even re-auditioned. Though, I guess because of Vivziepop having the opportunity to get a broadway cast and because of Michael Kovach being too busy in “Murder Drones”, that didn’t happen. It’s nice the original VAs still support the new VAs, but according from what I learned, the original VAs wished they weren’t replaced, which I guess means much like “Scoob!”, the original VAs from the pilot were pretty upset or something? I’m not sure.
I am actually really happy that the cast changes. I was not the biggest fan of the pilot's cast. Plus.It's Viv's show she wanted Broadway's singer she get them and she has all the right to do what she want to make the voices fit the charachters the most. People still complaining about it should get a life.
@@Liz__0062 I agree. I do however hope if Crymini has an important role in Hazbin Hotel Season 2, she’ll be voiced by Annette Toutonghi (the VA of Penelope from “Sly Cooper”).
I do think at the very least they should have been invited to the premiere- they were such a big part of the show becoming what it was. I do understand why the recasting happened, but I also don't blame them at all for being a little bummed. It's natural. They've been very gracious about it and I feel like making drama doesn't help anyone
@@ijornhribrudkrvir it makes sense to me that they were not invited to the premiere Simply because the serie is on prime tv but the pilot it's not. I consider it as kind of canon but as it would be not right to recognize their part it would have been also wrong to have them while the new voice actors had to face too much hate so I guess they were not invited also for make people remember what the canon cast is. It's not fair but I get it.
@@IqueyHe was prob talkin bout the bat sh*t crazy people “criticizing” him for simply providing food and water. Valid criticism is fine as long as there ain’t no death threats or straight up bullying, then it becomes pathetic.
Someone who's actually an expert in Vodou needs to chime in with that one. Although the symbols are definitely Vodou-esque, from my brief research I haven't been able to find any vèvè (Vodou symbols) that directly correlate. As far as I, and probably most people involved with this, know, Alastor's symbols could be the vèvè of evil spirits in Vodou. (Though also from my brief research, it seems Vodou has a different system of morality entirely)
People getting kicked out of friend groups for liking a musical show is so fucking dumb. Like?? “Oh you like this show? Go die in a hole and never interact with me again!” People who do that shit are genuinely so annoying and were never real friends in the first place. I personally really like Hazbin, but I don’t like the creator at all. EDIT : removed my last statement of separating art from the artist, which I now realize that not everyone can do that. Apologies for assuming.
Anyone who's in the Miraculous Ladybug fandom will have experience with this. One of the lead writers is known for his Twatter rants and he's more or less become a giant meme because he's terrible at writing and we all want him off the show's team. Even with his idiocy, the show itself is still pretty great!
I've heard separating the art from the artist, but I empathize with fans who have conflicting feelings on their favorite content. Knowing something about a creator that truly upsets me ruins that content for me, and makes it hard to be a fan. I gave up Harry Potter because of JK Terfling and she lost all my respect, I love the fans in the Fnaf fandom (the adult fan theorists always seemed sweet) but I am very disappointed in Scott Cawthorn, and I've heard lots of incredible things about Game of Thrones but I just do not align with George R.R. Martin's beliefs. The difference is that I don't bash people who ARE STILL fans of these different kinds of fandoms. Not every potterhead is a terf, all fnaf players have all kinds of diverse beliefs, and while I know nothing about fans of Game of Thrones, I don't automantically think they're bad by association just because I don't know what the fandom is like.
I think Viv just needs to stay OFF social media because yeah, a lot of Viv’s controversies are kinda just nothing. However, these things can escalate And one day it can grow into something actually bad, if she just doesn’t ignore the haters, she needs to stop giving attention where it’s not needed Viv HAS made mistakes, but I must *emphasize,* NONE of them are life ruining
somewhat controversial statement but if she cant handle the hate that comes with it then she shouldnt make a show. are we all forgetting when she threw a twitter meltdown over the dumb “caine, i am your bitch” video
Yeah aside from drawing fetish art of minors and defending a rape fetishist, the rest of this drama is so stupid. People need to focus on the former two things and not petty drama
Personally, as someone who has been sexually harassed & mildly SAd, I personally felt comforted by ep 4 (I think that was it?) because it felt touching and made me have more empathy & understanding for Angel dust, which is good storytelling? Because you WANT people to relate to characters. I just don't understand how anyone could hate her for that 💀
@@Nonya_thecat well, you're not me, and personally I feel comfortable to share, and put limelight on my experiences and that it's ok if you've been through something like that, and that your experience doesn't need to be ignored.
I feel that the whole drama regarding Vivziepop and Hazbin Hotel is extremely ridiculous, as if the people causing the drama are just children or uneducated adults
Hazbin Hotel fandom is full of problematic minors who will find grown ups weird for liking a show they like. Even if that show is supposed to be for adults.
really bummed about the lackadaisy thing, this is exactly why viv mentioned that it shouldn't be a competition, yet still people use independent animation projects as their battlefield for personal grievances. its really sad because i was hyping up both shows and i loved how different and fresh both shows were, i believed both would do great things for the world of animation but people want to throw that all away for cheap shots at people they dont like.
@@yeals5110 Vivzie and her team donated 5000 dollars to Lackadaisy's production, one of Lackadaisy's artist got offended and started insulting Viv and her team for "rubing their money on their faces", as well as making up that Vivzie and her team "only did it for reputation and they didn't mean it", things scalated, Lackadaisy's team members defended the one that started the whole thing, and that's it
@@aprillee7555Imagine getting mad at someone for donating to your project, how the Hell is Viv the problematic one in that situation??? I legitimately don't understand how people work today smh
@@PhantomPinetree I don't get how Viv was supposedly the problematic one in this situation either. For me the Lackadaisy crew behaved very immaturely.
This is a bit obscure but this reminds me SO much of the 'steven universe crit' community on tumblr back in the day. They'd constantly watch SU just to critique and nitpick it and harass the creators. I never got why they were so invested in something they so clearly disliked, yet they'd keep watching! They'd accuse the creator of so much nasty shit and pull up old art from when she was younger to get mad about.
@@VanessaLol421 There's people critizing the show for the LGBTQ+ in it, Garnet being the prime example, the same things as ever "it's going to pervert the kids" "this is woke and it's disgusting" yadayadayada, but people also critize the show for talking about mental illness, with characters like Perla, Lapis and Steven, again because "the kids wouldn't understand it" "this is too mature for kids" or even "it's romantizing mental illness"
@sonia8264 nothing is wrong with it. people just nitpicked every little thing. I remember some common ones were that Rebecca Sugar is a nazi for redeeming the diamonds as they were dictators (wild as she is Jewish lol), pulling up old NSFW art from when she was a teen, saying the show romanticized abuse for daring to have unhealthy relationships ig. Shitting on the writing and art - even sending hate directly too the animators via social media. There were a lot of racism allegations but I don't really remember why? Personally I don't think the show is perfect, but the hate towards it was insane and unwarranted. The fans drove one fan artists to attempt suicide for being 'fat phobic' (drawing rose too skinny). One storyboard artist had to delete their Twitter because of harassment from 'fans'.
Oh man I remember this. I avoided the hell out of participating in the community too much because the crits were so so obnoxious and found their way into everything.
They also caused a fan artist to unalive themselves bc the artist drew characters in a way they didn't like. Imo SU could have been so much better if CN hadn't put such a time crunch on the show, which is why later seasons feel rushed. ESPECIALLY the Diamond redemption, that should have been way more than it actually was.
I think it's pretty sad when people go out of their way to cause unnecessary controversy with Vivziepop. Leave her and the crew alone! Anyway, thank you for breaking all this down!
Honestly the only thing I will say about Vivzie is that ya, she’s not perfect but who of us are. She’s barely 31 and she’s practically spent half of her life on the internet. All the shit from ten years ago and further was when she was a teen and A LOT of teens are into some cringey shit. I remember being into some really cringey shit when I was younger. The way she handles online discussions isn’t too pretty either but it’s not super shocking that people blurt out things when they’re angry, that’s a human thing. To me, she’s just a normal person who’s had some slip ups because she is human. But obviously that’s never enough for people on Twitter. She’s fine, she just needs a PR team
@@sempai7513 You’re not wrong HOWEVER, I would like to point out there are a lot of things that teens and children like or think are acceptable when they’re younger and then don’t realize are not okay until they’re older. It’s completely normal for someone who doesn’t understand the world to not understand everything that is right or wrong. Watt pad for example, A LOT of people wrote smutty things that they couldn’t fully understand until they’re older at which point they realize that’s messed up? On the internet it is not that uncommon for some kids and teens to write or do things they don’t understand only to regret later on
saw someone say "the fact that this is half an hour long says a lot." yeah it says that a lot of these are nothingburgers brought up by people who hate viv and are mad she's successful. viv isn't perfect, but she's apologized for many of her past mistakes and is more scrutinized than any other creator i've seen
Exactly. It sure does say a lot! A lot about how hateful people are towards her that they'll dig up ANYTHING they can find on her to tear her apart and make sure she never succeeds. They're THAT desperate and have nothing better to do, its frustrating..
Lol she was a fan of Sausage Party?! 😂 I don't dislike her at all, that just made me laugh. We all did cringey art as young people. I had the "rabbid rabbits" series when I was a teen in high school. They included lovely characters like "BJ Bunny" and "R*pist Rabbit"... If anyone saw those comics I did with my friend of rabbits on drugs and assaulting people for laughs they'd be like?! But I was 16. Now I'm 31 and have a new perspective.
@@callumbaurley716 We should go back to embracing the cringe, old people lose that spark and freedom and get too caught up in what society tells us to do. Really breaks the spirit.
I've always been in denial of the dumb things i did as a kid because i don't want any intrusive thoughts. I unironically thought Minions were funny only for years later to come back and laugh at the very thing i used to hate 😂. Of course I'm still sticking to personal opinions but there are very few times when i completely forgot about the reasons why i hated something in the first place
@@adamshafeeq8685 Minions are funny. There I said it. The problem is that it's not the kind of funny you can keep milking without it becoming awfully annoying. And what did they do? They kept milking it because the children obviously loved it.
1:55 Yeah, two consenting adults in a relationship isn't "immoral" or "degenerate", it's called love. They weren't even doing anything explicit, so you're pretty much just shaming an artist for pairing two of their own characters.
sometimes i wonder if being involved in so much drama is what makes viv so tense when she interacts with people on twitter. people expect the worst of her so maybe shes started to fear the worst from them too.
@@spaceaxolotl6196 ye but shes also human and her twitter is an extension of herself, not just the spindlehorse brand, it probably sucks to have every single interaction you have online to be viewed through the lens of "how can i used this to defend the fact i dont like her". people are perfectly within their right to not vibe with viv, thats completely normal and healthy, but hounding her account looking for chances to bring her up and drag her is just petty and unhealthy for both parties.
@@MediecreGoddessI do not think the people who drag her through the mud are right and I understand how much that can wear on a person's mental health. However, arguing with people through long comment threads is not a great way of dealing with it and it ends up making her look worse and it only further wears down on her mental health. I think she should learn how to ignore it for the most part
oh yes. that is sick. I think my mom and biological father were 17 and 19. when i was a highschool senior I had a crush on a 16 year old. I had a buncn of behavioral problems and almost got held back. so I say "what happens if I got a crush on a 17 year old?" and I had s few people loose their mind and say i need to stay away from children. I had one person say I could of damaged her body for life. dude. I am female. I am puney. I was 80 pounds, 4 foot 11, there is no way I can break a 17 year old boy;s body as if I am 30 on a 2 year old. I am mentally immature. how can I abuse a child? when a 17 year old might of been more mentally mature than I was at 19. all my friends were 3 or 4 years younger than me, because I had those problems. people do age gaps because they want abuse and control. I had those friends because I could not get along with people my own age. I was like a dumb kid for to long. but this is reality so it is gross.
Some people don’t realize that when it comes to small year age gaps, it’s really based on the maturity level in the relationship. I’m being so serious about this-I literally got called a PEDOPHILE because I was in a relationship with someone who was 3 years younger than me. I was 16, and he was 14.
@@spookysoupzpeople really like to get involved with someone life like come on get the fuck out from my life, it's myself choice and my own destiny you don't have anything from it
I went to see her with a group of friends at Megacon and she is literally the sweetest and she was super supportive when my friend brought up her dream to become an indie animator, even giving some advice and listening to my friend’s ideas. Overall, even if she makes mistakes, we all do and there is never going to be one thing that EVERYONE agrees with. To be honest, one of the reasons that she is hated on twitter/X is because people KNOW that they can start drama about it.
a thing that so many people just CANT understand is that people can change overtime like during the early days of the internet everyone was literally insane people were saying and doing so many bad things and people now are getting mad at others even though they aren’t innocent either like as long as the person you are talking about isn’t doing that bad thing anymore and apologized you should at least somewhat forgive them
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Hell I lived that era, funny thing is for all the bad crap said online, many were good people IRL. There is probably a few doctors who have saved people's lives who once threw around slurs, insults and trash talk about violating someone's dead relatives back in the day. Also there is the simple fact that a lot of old school trash talk was NEVER taken seriously by those who understood it, it was meaningless, pointless and just a way to waste time and have a laugh. I took part in it and one thread went full 180 when the OP didn't respond for a while, then announced he just got a call and that is why he hadn't responded..... his parents were in a car accident caused by a drunk driver, dad was injured but going to be fine..... the mother, was not going to make it and he had to go ASAP. Aside from the 10-14yo edgelords who got IP banned for saying nasty crap to OP, everyone else stopped the slur throwing and crap and went into full empathy and sympathy mode. We even had a few cops on there who reached out to the OP wanting him to DM where he lived so they might be able to help, turns out one did and got a friend on duty to pick up OP and drive him with lights and sirens to the hospital. Sadly he was 10 minutes too late to say goodbye. That broke many of us to learn that. After that the thread devolved into people sad for OP, some outright in tears and admitting it, announcing they were going to leave to call their parents, berating drink drivers, hoping and praying for OP to be okay and so on. So just by judging the first 50 pages you would think everyone was monsters of the worst kind, but page 51 onward showed a completely different story.
The story in these replies about the group chat with all the slurs is really weird to me. It wants us to be impressed that people showed basic human empathy when one of their online friends explained that his parents' lives were in danger? Well yeah, friend groups generally tend to care about each other. That's not really saying much. Most humans aren't sociopaths so I don't really know why the chat "going into full empathy mode" at the idea of one of their friends' parents DYING is supposed to get applause. It's weird because it's kind of being done as an attempt to handwave away any concern someone might have about someone's idea of "trash talk" literally just being a list of slurs. I was also around for that era, and none of the groups I was in just hurled slurs at each other lmao. The reason people are suspicious of that kind of banter is because people's genuine subconscious beliefs tend to bleed over into their sense of humor, and that can raise some eyebrows. Like, the fact that your friend group displayed the simplest level of empathy doesn't make the slurs less sus. Being willing to just let slurs fly at the drop of a hat is super weird, and it's weirder to pretend like irony and "trash talk" are incapable of eventually becoming unironic just because one time a friend group acted like an average friend group would.
I don't engage in drama regularly since its usually always about the same thing, and it affects me negatively but a lot of people just don't like vivzie because shes successful so they make up lies about her.
For some reason the critics that are making moot points are usually the type of people she’s trying to pave the way for: indie artists. Whatever career you have, some make it big while others don’t.
Quick question: when _The Princess and the Frog_ came out, did people get this angry with Dr. Facilier? I may have missed it since I wasn't active online, but I haven't seen any word about it and he is a) a villian, b) active voodoo practitioner, and c) recurrent character in theme parks, shows, and other media.
The drama is making me feel like I can’t enjoy these shows, which is sad because I support these shows but not really Vivzie herself with what’s going on currently
Don’t worry the drama is fake it’s always been fake and unless we have undeniable definitive proof it’s gonna keep being fake the real reason people post this is just out of pure unchecked jealousy and self loathing, because they aren’t smart or creative enough to create something like she did…
I get it. It's hard to separate art from artist, but look at it this way - Vivzie here might be a bad person, she might have dome some dare I say scandalous things, but the shows are good, artistic, and Hazbin Hotel was made by a team, with Viv here just being one member. I know this won't magically fix every problem, but it's a start. Hope this helps :)
What I found most frustrating about the SA/Raph situation, is that it sparked from a leak which got more and more misconstrued, then once the episode came out a lot of the tweets got deleted or people doubled down
You should search for the free documentary "The greatest story never told" it was made by Denise wise. The whole thing is about 6 hours long, but what an eye opener. It's not like other docs you might have seen
“Poison was too detailed!!” What did you expect? Well thats the RAW REALITY OF SA what is wrong with you if you cant handle THESE topics dont watch the show.
unfortunately, because its so easy to change your username, pfp, and hold a fake conversation and screen shot it (or just quickly edit fake dms) discord message accusations dont really hold water. even if you made a video physically scrolling to he conversation there's ways to fake it. i want to trust people who were hurt but theres also no solid proof to go off of.
@@syrusthefemboy Guess I'm a zionist than even tho I've constantly given my support for palestine, donated to the cause and supported the cease fire movement. People do realize that MCDonald's or not any money you give to the government is going to Isreal right? Like it doens't matter where you eat bruh that doesn't fix anything. 💀
For a fandom that claims to be "overly accepting, loving, judgement-free, and welcoming" all they do is judge and find new ways to be offended over nothing
Only thing getting my goat with Vivzie recently is that running theory that she isn't planning on bringing Adam back. (I hope this isn't true because man that's a complete waste of a pretty decent antagonist. Plus redemption and all that stuff.)
Welp we have at most another 2 years to wait until we finally find out ;v; (I heard somewhere that the next season will be released in a year and a half if not 2.)
@LP_army9 To be honest, every show alive finds loopholes. Plus unlike the Exorcist killed by Carmilla, Adam's human. It wouldn't be the same result with him. (Or flat out they pull a Vegeta and have him on life support in the hotel. Keeping him dead but not DEAD dead until he's needed. Like the "healing coma" crap with Superman.)
@Lulu_Loves_Sheep Plus Vivzie has been really receptive to LutexAdam stuff. So who knows? We may get out two terribly bad but wholesome angels back together.
I commend Viv for her nerves of steel especially with so many of these drama seekers just trying to make her look like a bad person. It’s absolutely ridiculous how many people try to go after her for unnecessary reasons she can’t even do so much and support a fellow in the creator without people acting like she’s causing the next world war, I hope these drama seekers can finally get over there selves and find something better to do with their lives rather than harass the creator that’s just trying to do what she loves. I hope the best for Vivziepop in the future
@@christopherbravo1813yes actually. Before Donald Trump became president or what he was now he was loved by many and even done movie cameos in home alone and little rascals. Wether the person is good or bad there will always people jealous and make things up that aren’t true.
@@hillymine Huh. Honestly, I was expecting a response somewhere along the lines of " well it's *Donald Trump* therefore it's okay to make things up about him". Guess that's my B for making assumptions. But yeah, it certainly feels like anyone who is at all successful in this world is doomed to be harassed constantly by people who don't know a darn thing. Like, I wouldn't say that Vivzie is my favorite person in the world exactly, but I wouldn't pounce on her at any given opportunity let alone dox her, nor would I expect anyone to do the same. what happened to common decency?
For certain characters, I prefer the pilot cast, but for most, I prefer our current cast. But, THERE. IS. NOTHING. WRONG. WITH. RECASTING. ANYTHING. IN. BETWEEN. ITS. PILOT. AND. THE. FINAL. PRODUCT. Vivzie had every right, she also wanted a more broadway-esque cast, and, side note, while Michael Kovach CAN sing beautifully, and he does an amzong Angel voice, he CANNOT sing well while doing the Angel voice. There's a reason Addict was ao heavily Autotuned. It's not because of his talent or anything like that, it's because he had to press on his throat to make the Angel voice. Also, A24 and/or Prime may have desired the recast as well. And also, as mentioned in this video, the pilot was a WIP point in development. As Vivzie's vision grew and changed during production, it's no wonder that the pilot's VAs had interpetations and voices that may not fit her vision anymore. That's okay. Both casts are incredibly talented and deserve praise.
Part of the promotion of the show was its Broadway cast, because they wanted to draw more people in than just folks who had seen the pilot on RUclips years ago. It was an incredibly smart move on their part. Several people I know who would never have touched the show just looking at it have now watched the whole thing and loved it, because it had Broadway stars in it that they like who sing wonderfully.
@@psychotophatcat I understand that, but thats also a little sad I think in a way, not giving a show a chance just because it doesnt have a certain actor?
@@XFizzlepop-Berrytwist These are people who don't like the majority of adult animation. They gave it chance because someone whose work they respect and love was a part of it. I don't like most medieval fantasy or historical dramas, but I'll watch one if someone whose other work I like is part of it. Partially because I want to see how they approach it, but also because it could mean that this show/film does something that made it interesting to that actor, and if we share similar tastes, that might mean this work is an exception too. It's just like trying a new type of food because your friend recommended it even if you'd never have tried it yourself. You trust the individual even if you aren't sure about the food/media.
@@psychotophatcat Sure, but in that same note, you’ll never get to experience other great things if you only try the same thing over and over. How will you know if you’ll like another actor or food or not without trying it? XD I dunno, I never got too hung up on particular actors, or pay attention to acting cast usually, but if I recognize a VA I think its neat to know I recognized them after I’ve already started watching the show.
Eh I think it's a little bit different here because the pilot cast spent years helping promote Hazbin and building the fandom that got it to the point where it did get picked up by a24/Amazon. The least they could have done is invite them to the premiere.
So, essentially, what I'm getting from this, is that all of the modern drama is *literally* just twitter being twitter. There's a reason why I've never spent my time on that site... No matter what the media or topic, there will be someone spinning some drama out of the most minor of details. It's very telling that all of these tweets call Vivzie things like "evil". They're so in the weeds about hating this caricature of a person they've crafted in their head, that they'll incorporate literally anything into it to further the narrative. If you're ever at the point where you think someone is genuinely "evil" for some unconfirmed personal drama from 10-12 years ago, then you really need to take a moment to re-evaluate yourself and the time you spend online. It's also really telling that the twitter user who started the chain of drama about glorification of SA in episode 4, specified that they are *not* an SA survivor themselves... Meaning, that as always, it was someone not affected by any of the thing is question, taking charge and defending the real victims, without anyone asking them to.
Good god, do people not know how often a roles get re-cast between a pilot and broadcast? The only thing unusual about this case is people complaigning about it
I have to say, does anyone else remember Lincar Rocks that little weirdo stalker that tried to get on the Hazbin/Helluva crew and try to apply to the job with Kyle, A. Carroza’s storyboards and also also stock that guy 10 years prior.
Wait people were actually mad over a relationship with a 17 and 19 year old? I cant believe people actually get mad over that. Theyre both still teens, ones a year away from adulthood while the other is fresh out of highschool? What power imbalance? Like maybe the TA thing is weird, but the age alone shouldnt be a problem.
Every person pointing a finger at vivziepop has three fingers pointing back at themselves. I swear they tell on themselves every time with their accusations; the projection is real.
Wow like I know how controversies can make a person go bad but VivziePop has been through ALOT so her surviving it all and being a good animator is crazy!
I had an animation prof work for her. And I asked him if it was true that she was a terrible boss and he said no. He told me she was actually really accommodating and nice. He even took a few weeks free cuz he was overwhelmed and she was cool with it. He even worked on an episode of Hazbin hotel.
it makes me really sad and I feel terrible because some of the drama I actually believed up until this video. back in late 2010's Vivziepop was such a huge inspiration for my art and helped me want to become more interested in what I could do for animation, I'm still learning but it's thanks to her and many other creators that I had a lot of confidence in myself to start drawing again
agreed with the viewpoint on poison. as an SA survivor myself, that scene did not seem like it was fetishizing SA. angel was singing about his experiences with val and about how angel had drifted from himself for val. he lost his identity to val the second he sold his soul. the scenes depicted during the song aren't to glamorize his abuse. they're to SHOW the abuse. val made him work ALL NIGHT after that, in situations that angel wasn't comfortable with. there is nothing wrong with showing the cold truth. in fact, the beginning of the episode features a content warning specifically for SA.
This is just insane! Viv has EVERY right to defend herself, it's not her fault the world is still sensitive to LIFE SHIT! I'd be worried too if my creations have been treated like it's the devil itself.
"people were expecting an evil character, but he just looked like an ordinary dude" Nooo, really? The first human to have ever been created...looks like a human? I am shocked and appalled
I dont understand why people get so toxic about a fictional shows for no reason, the stuff is mabe up for the most part to tell a story that the creator is going for.
and then that is what happens. someone is telling a story. if i wrote a story, i must be thinking of something. why would I write? if i make something twisted, why? if i mad a character who has some extreme powers, but it needs to be refreshed by some pretty dark means, then why did I create that? if I write about a vampire like race being hated like how people hate lepers, that makes me bad. if I create something because I think it is dark and edgy because it is supposed to be. what does it say about me? making people uncomfortable. like when i fight with the proshippers and they say if a child can fight in an intergalactic war to save all existence, why can't they be in a relationship with an adult? maybe they have a point. so why not then?
@@kaiyodei First off, thanks for the comment I appreciate any that come my way. Secondly, I think this is a little off topic to the video, I don't think it make sense to what I meant.
Cause a lot of people care more about fictional characters and scenarios than the real world. And honestly I can relate a bit, but I won't go hate on someone's art or show cause I don't like it.
I find it funny how whenever I ask people where they got proof of vivize being problematic, they immediately block me. Shows how much we have fallen as a society
I've seen people on Twitter share strong allegations of Vivz that they themselves know and admitted are fake but pretend to believe they're real anyways just to spread missinfo and spite her. It's insane the hate boner people have for this women.
As an SA survivor who spent years being hurt, I felt the whole Angeldust Poison song spoke to me. Especially when he disassociated, he slid into a hyper-s-ual character. I felt that, I was that. It's rare that I see SA survivor who mirror my trauma responses, mainly Astarion and Angeldust. And it is good to see them in a positive light while STILL healing like Angeldust, because often times when they're still healing they get the Jennie in Forest Gump treatment and are turned into villains for turning on their hyper smexual self that is just a mask they wear for protection. After years of the same trauma you learn to just say yes to avoid the additional pain that comes with no, and I felt Viv did an amazing job at showing that.
28:32 Ken Ashcorp? He and Viv share a similar thing, you know. There's a whole video about him and one section that talks about the criticism he gets about his music, with people saying it's "overly sexual" or "Should be toned down for a larger audience", but he doesn't listen to it, and the guy talking about Ken said, "Criticism should always be listened to, but it shouldn't be adhered to. Ken wants to make music with sexual themes, Anime girls, and video games, and he will keep doing that. If he makes different music that other people want, is that really still what he wants to make? Ken's making the music he wants and loves, and I respect the guy for that." (or something like that, go look it up, gave me a different outlook on criticism)
Dude, Ken is a legend. His old MLP music is still greatly nostalgic. Yeah it's overly sexual, but are we about to act like most of the pop songs released that get MILLIONS of listens and are lapped up by the general public aren't the same, if not worse?? Maybe he doesn't want a wider audience. Simple as that eh
Most of Ken's songs are pretty much for an older demographic (older teens and adults specifically), so I don't think Ken is is in the wrong for making "sexy" stuff
Forced drama, in this day an age people always feel the need to dig deep into the past of everyone and criminalize them. Everyone is young and dumb at one point, people grow, change, and clearly vivize has. Should’ve left cancel culture in 2023 but 🤷♂️
@@outrun9951 We all do. As teenagers we barely knew jack shit, and we all done things that we find questionable now, but it's part of personal growth and growing up. Anyone who demonizes that is a fucking moron.
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@@outrun9951 100% Those who carry on like this are just deflecting and projecting onto others. I mean look at the whole Orcs are black people BS, I have known countless table top gamers and NONE OF THEM ever looked at a picture of an Orc and went "Yep thats a black person" So why is it the people who complained about it looked at Orcs and thought "BLACK PEOPLE!"
at first i thought this was gonna be like "oh they are terrible they did this terrible thing" but no this is proving drama wrong FINNALLY, PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT MOST DRAMA IS FAKE
I watch Ed Bosco on Unexpectables, a few context clues why he wasn't in the song might be cause he has a super busy schedule and he has a lot of Anxiety when it comes to singing, he's made a few songs but he's still very nervous
People spend their lives trying to cancel, call out and otherwise slander others because they have so little control in their personal lives that they lash out in an attempt to gain control over something or someone, it's a rush to them to see a creator be condemned from the industry and it becomes an addiction, they become addicted to the misery that they put themselves into, and once one creator is gone they immediately move on to the next one, just to get another taste of the high.
I've heard so much shit about her that I honestly don't care anymore. Like, at this point her being not a very nice or professional person doesn't concern me because I just want my Hazbin/Helluva fix. You can like the art without liking the artist and vice versa.
this is a great video ago, def the most detailed one we see yet! can't wait for more!
... What does this mean?
@@TECH_NObody6302tf you mean what does it mean? Its straightforward
@@Coralcomets how is it straight forward when they say this is a great video ago.
@@TECH_NObody6302fr
using an alt to praise urself is crazy
I like how people complain about Mimzy being fat but also complain about all of the main cast having the same thin body type
Fr 😭
I MADE A VIDEO EXPOSING HAZBIN HOTEL FOR BEING TRASH 🤬🖕
....It's almost like it's different people or something.
i hope we see more mimzy in season 2
Mimzy's voice ruined the end of Lucifer and Alastor's song though, JEEZus
She probably won't see this, but heres how viv can stop all her controversy:
Step 1) Delete Twitter
Step 2) profit
True tho. (For legal raisins, this is a joke). 🍇
nux fan for sure, luv you
I MADE A VIDEO EXPOSING HAZBIN HOTEL FOR BEING TRASH 🤬🖕
To be fair since she can't really pay for a big advertisement campagn been active on social media an interacting with the community is a great way to make up for it.
Of course since she an animator not a communication major she mess up but even drama give exposure.
Like they say bad publicity is still publicity
It would be useful, sure, but it would also be cutting her off from interacting with fans and seeing pretty fan art. It would be helpful but it's not fair to her that she can't be on an app just to stop people from bothering her :(
The Mimzie controversy really took me by surprise. I’m Jewish, and I assure you my first thought wasn’t, “This is an Antisemitic character and I’m offended.” You put it perfectly: if someone looks at Mimzie, and, with no support, assumes she’s an offensive portrayal of Jews, that says much more about them than Vivzie.
She hits a lot of new york jew stereotypes
@@bobthebuilder9708 She also just hits a lot of the aunt that only talks to you when she needs money stereotype. Like that's a really common character trend how can people actually call this antisemitic
Also she clearly a fan of Mel brooks stuff, who is super Jewish, so yeah, not anti-Semitic
Didn’t even think people said she was an offensive portrayal of a Jew until this vid. Thought it was just another goofy character.
Whether or not she's antisemitic can be determined by her stance on the Israel/Palestine situation. I have no idea what it is, though.
If Poison fetishizes SA and bad relationships, then so does Toxic by Britney Spears, Love the Way You Lie by Rhianna and Eminem and many other songs by big artists. The ending of Poison even has Angel Dust expressing his regret and want to get out, practically crying.
I MADE A VIDEO EXPOSING HAZBIN HOTEL FOR BEING TRASH 🤬🖕
Poison shows that Angel is continiously roofied. To the point the BDSM gangrape he is full on just collapsing and being ragdolled around. Not consenting to that blowjob whatsoever. He'd also been CLEARLY drugged for it by Val.
Or the fact the name of the song is not positive.
Anyone with 2 brain cells to understand the lyrics can see poison is a metaphor for the toxic hold val has on angel and HIS struggle to leave. nothing romantic about it
That's the thing, it clearly doesn't. People saying it does either haven't watched the show properly and just jumped to make a hasty response or they're willfully lying about it.
Either option is idiotic.
,,adam being white isnt bible accurate" bro nothing about this show is bible accurate thats the point of the show
I thought the whole point was that Adam was just some white dude. Like "of course just some mediocre white guy who got lucky would have the ridiculous overconfidence and ego to think that he could be the arbiter of everything good and bad in the world." I literally thought that was just the joke?
Ans if he wasn't white she'd get cancelled for making a PoC the bad guy 🙄 This fucking "fandom" is2g
The bible is not even real life.
@@blueberrypitbull87 ok but who asked
What's not accurate about it? It's impossible to know his skin color as it's not specified. I can say that the Bible does not agree with the out of Africa theory. Eden was in and around Turkey...
For an adult show based in hell the fandom gets way more offended than religious people.
We (fandom) may be annoying a$$holes but us being more offended is impossible lol
I grew up with fundamental religious people lol nah bro lolollol
Especially the religious people I grew up with .....got offended over literally everything.
When I was a kid Finding Nemo was evil because it showed a non traditional family. We weren't allowed to watch it if you were part of the church
....like the mom fish died???
I can go on with examples if you want. This comment is already too long tho
Really tho
Right? When did sex become taboo again? Though we sorted that out in the 90's
Ironic, isn't it? 😂 You can't please everyone!
@@eriolhiiragizawa729 Not about pleasing anyone, more about people being overly sensitive to everything
What's stupid is the fact that people keep bringing old shit up like it's relevant, and when you bring up the debunk, they either don't say shit or double down.
like the same crap they do to trump and other ppl they dont like?
@@NightmareRex6 Apples and oranges
@@NightmareRex6Bud you can't not be a hazbin fan and a trump fan, i draw the line here you can't be a cat who is pro cat killers
@@twigwigsoso oh you're a magical being that decides who can and who can't enjoy stuff?
Get a life
@@NightmareRex6 Personally I would hold a presidential candidate to a higher standard than I would the creator of a animated series.
I'm not American, but I definitely wouldn't vote for Trump if I was. Even ignoring all the stuff he allegedly did, he's pretty much a textbook example of a selfish narcissist and I find that to be a dealbreaker for anyone applying to a leadership position.
So, this boils down to "We hate this person and don’t want them to succeed so we’ll witch-hunt them." The Internet is full of this petty vindictiveness. It’s not unusual sadly.
You know what really grinds my gears? A creator I like being accused of doing something incredibly scandalous, ONLY the creator and not the devoted team that also works on it, but people decide destroy the entire team's hard work just because they were associated with the creator and might have had no idea what was going on. But, my gears have been eroded away with how many times they've been grinded. :/
First I saw that they did that to Dream, now I see that they are doing it to Viv
@@BlastFromTheGhast The whole point of witch hunters is that they are falsely accusing people. Hence the name. Slaughtering someone's career for something they did 9 years ago is not a false accusation. Anyways I still have not found out what Vivzie actually did. This falls under the category of witch hunt
True
as someone who could be called a SJW. yeah that seems to be it. also those discord messages didn't even seem that bad imo. it's like kinda in bad taste but that's about it.
The funniest thing about all this drama people are trying to stir up with Viv, is that the vast majority of watchers of helluva boss and Hazbin hotel will never know about it, as your average viewer doesn't really dig into that kind of info, they're just there for the show.
Well I have been an average viewer of Hazbin Hotel until RUclips recommended me drama videos 😕
@@VanessaLol421dude same and all the comments on TikTok too lol
@@VanessaLol421 People have been being dicks to her since she was making school animation projects on youtube and writing a webcomic. Not so much drama as targeted harassment at some point.
Exactly. I refuse to waste time on Twitter. I just watch the shows.
exactky٫ i didnt know about any of this drama bc i just like helluva boss and uazbin hotel٫ I also like vivs artstyle so theres that.. But idk about any of the drama lol
I hate internet drama, its always so annoying
Fr
You are so right
Its never interesting, it’s irritatingly stupid. You’ll just be like, “are you fr? Thats it? Thats the drama?”
@enzo4zero168 And its always a "nothing burger" like Ayy Lmao said, like out of all of these the conclusion I came was that Vivzie was edgy when she was younger and that she should have invited the OG cast to the premiere, and somehow alot of the internet can't see this.
Real
I feel like even if Adam did look biblically accurate, people would STILL be mad that the main villain would be POC. Hell, in the bible its even stated Adam and Eve arent black, white, Egyptian or anything, so no matter what it wouldn't be "bibically accurate." People just find anything to throw this show under the bus. If this show was made by some big company, nobody would care.
People would then be mad because he would be a portrayal of a POC who isn't actually a good person. That's one reason people are listing for why they don't like Mimzy being a plus size character. Because she is a bad person. Because apparently, plus size people can't be bad? in the show about hell?? because it's "poor representation"???
If they made it so Mimzy was in Hell/bad BECAUSE she was plus-sized, that'd be bad. But she's a gambling addict and greedy, selfish bitch who HAPPENS to be plus-sized and being pkus-sized isn't her one character trait. That's actually really nice, speaking as a big person myself! People need to go outside and touch some fucking grass
@@psychotophatcatHaving a POC villain is not racist. At all.
That’s what I said! You know for a fact these EXACT same people would complain if Adam WASN’T white.
Bro in Record of Ragnarok Adam has blonde hair and blue eyes, yet nobody gives a sh*t about that. In fact, everybody loves him
So they're just hating for hatred's sake
Twitter is such a crazy place for Hazbin. I once said that Mammon being fat could represent his greed, and someone accused me of stereotyping fat people. Not only was that not what i was doing, but also wasn't that what you guys were doing with Beezlbub? I have friends who eat a lot and stay skinny. It's just crazy.
being fat has always been a stereotype of greedy people, its literally the other way around to what they were saying.
if you ever catch them saying "those fat cats in govrenment office" just scream at them
@@kaiyodeiYes. Brilliant idea.
Correction Twitter is a crazy place for everything
@@VanessaLol421 ain't that the truth.
I remember back in like 2021 I reblogged some joke post on Tumblr, a lot of people were tagging all sorts of different characters and I just put "This sounds like Angel Dust lol".
OP reblogged it saying how gross Hazbin fans were taking over their post and telling me to die over and over. I apologised because I thought I'd really upset them and they were just like: "Oh it's fine I just don't like the show."
Like wtf is wrong with people??
I was called a fatphobic for saying I like hazbin Hotel...... like wtf 😂
well it’s a problematic show so what did u expect
@felipe00006 it's problematic for the dumbest reasons, tho. People are seriously petty....
@@felipe00006 Care to explain how?
Oh wait, you can't.
@@felipe00006”Why tf would they show a character get SA’d and the struggles of it? Wow this is so glorifying I’m sick.”
“Let me go watch South Park or family guy, quagmire always cheers me up with his funny scenes with girls like the one where he was with a minor”
Is the type of energy comments like this or the ones complaining about SA remind me of🤡
I am so tired of not being able to enjoy things.
Life is already so goddam miserable. Can I just enjoy things without being called a horrible person?
No, obviously your a shitty person no matter what you do.
Like literally- 🤦♀️
i can confirm that if my family found out i liked hh and hb, id probably be disowned lmao
One person accused me once of being a "sexual deprabed" person just cause I had Angel Dust as my pfp, and cause I was simping for character named White Diamond from Steven Universe lol and one person told me that my opinion was "invalid" cause I had teen Fizzaroli as my pfp...It is weird that I didn't got hated still for having Lilith as my pfp and I still didn't got hate for having Carmilla Carmine as my pfp on Twitter, and I hope it stays like that, cause it is annoying being hated only cause I have a character from a show they don't like for some reason as my pfp lol
don’t vent in the general channel /j
It’s insane to me that this lady is 31 years old and people are still mad about her drawing cringy art when she was a teenager, like what??
I remember that time period. Most of my friends were equally cringy back in 2005. 😂
@@ChrisMartin-iy2yy and some cringy things me and others did in school seemed to have manafested later, like in high school (was before ""daycore"" and ""nightcore"" was a thing, we made demon and chipmonk remixes of tons music, we created a "Z" "Im a Z a zee lazy" and NOW its an LGBTQ gender...... an effign middleshcool oke manafested as soemthign peaople now think is SERIUS FFS, if ask me it is STILL A JOKE, as like the clown symbolism in the show, this entire WORLD is a clown-circus-shit-show!
Bro...What the hell...19 is not A TEEN
@@Olha628 nine-teen
@@Olha628 did you mean that 19 isn’t a minor? Because that’s true, she wasn’t a minor, but 18 and 19 are still in the teens, hence “teenager”
People: "Poison fetishizes abuse!"
the literal lyrics in poison: "Im going to die from this poison, I wish I didn't have this poison."
Wow, it truly is glorifying it! /s
"Im sick of your poison" omg hr loves it ❤😍🥰🤩😘
Hater: ohhhh nice song I have 1million complaints
That song is 🔥
But God do I feel bad for Angel, he doesn't deserve this
The end of the song portraying Angel feeling sick and tired of the way he’s been living, and wanting to escape. Even his voice quivers to really sell the point: Poison, I'm drownin' in poison
I'm fillin' up my glass but it's always hollow
Full of poison, I'm sick of the poison
Wish I had something to live for tomorrow…
Some random twitter user with a single braincell: “ OMG glorification! How can Viviene support this!? How was this allowed!? 😤 “
“Wish I had something to live for tomorrow” yeah, he’s definitely thrilled!
A couple of years ago I asked my friends if they had watched Helluva Boss, but they said no because Vivziepop would have involved minors. However, I never found anything online to support the accusation, and when this accusation is not listed in this video, it finally confirms it as false and I still don't know where my friends got the whole idea from and why they didn't fact-check the claim.
i used to have a group of friends that were throwing around the same accusations back in 2016. when i asked for proof, their silence was REALLY telling, even for the dumbass my 13 year old self was.
Yeah, some asshole on a Facebook short about Hazbin, said that one of Vivzi’s artists was a pedo and that they were tired of arguing and that they would not show evidence and that we could find it ourselves. I was pissed, you don’t say shit like that without backing it up.
I just ran into this exact accusation from my friend. I didn't ask for evidence because I honestly don't know much about all of this.
But from this well researched video, it does indeed seem like tons of people inventing scandals and controversy, just to hate.
literally 2 weeks ago i was on tiktok and made a comment asking if this one person even knew what "glorifying" means or entails (since everyone kept saying poison "glorifies" SA, even though it doesnt, and theyre all using the word wrong), and another random person replied to me saying "yall do know vivziepop said poison was 'come-worthy' right". so obviously, i said "no i didnt know that, where did you get that information?" guess what? a week went by, no reply. so i asked for proof again. no reply. i've tried finding information about their claim on my own and have not found a single thing. i swear it's like people just lost all ability to use critical thinking and to fact-check stuff before going online and spreading/consuming misinformation as though it's gospel
@@akfjskngksj I think this person got this idea because of Vivziepop's tweet promoting poison, were she makes a joke with the word "cum" and, considering the theme of the song it was taken badly- But we all know that making sex jokes is Vivzie's humor and I personally see it as an honest mistake where she didn't even realize how bad it could've sounded
(I think the joke was something like "cum listen to the music" or something among these lines, but i'm not sure tho- Take all I said with a grain of salt lmao)
Vivziepop: *breaths*
Haters: and we took that personally
😂
@@zeldaqueenb3796 🤣
So basically vivziepop is a human being who makes mistakes like everyone else and some people are cruel and or kinda dumb
Yes, always
yup, cancel culture has ruined people's ability to think normally and critically. It's become so insanely toxic. Like can we save this shit for people who are geuinenly horrible immoral people who have no intent of changing??? instead of creators who've just made mistakes and has obviously changed-
It's honestly disgusting that people dig shit up or make up shit to be pissed off about. Like let people be people unless it's actually bad like pedophile bad
or it’s people that are bored and try their hardest to cancel someone for attention
EXACTLY
God, don't you just hate it when the people who make TV shows end up being real people who've made mistakes of differing severity and cringe at them later in life?
On the topic of episode four I heard a lovely quote that I think describes that episode perfectly, art disturbs the comfortable and comforts the disturbed. Episode four drew attention to very hard to talk about topics, making people more aware of them and also showing people in similar situations that they're not alone, the episode handles the topic very well in my opinion
I agree. You can really tell who hasn't actually gone through what Angel Dust has, because as far as I've seen people who've been sexually assaulted relate quite a lot to Angel and the song 'Poison' and they like both because of it.
Also hypersexuality is a common trauma response to people who've been exually assaulted. I swear these people haven't done any actual research... What next? Are they gonna get pissed off because a character with mommy issues thinks every women they meet is a slut?
I saw that quote too and it made me realize why I reacted the way I did to episode four. I felt like I could relate to Angel to a certain point and it felt like someone was pointing out someone in me. I’m not the only one, a lot of people who have also dealt with SA have said Angels mask of promiscuity falling off made them realize their own coping mechanisms
@@katherine_queen5294 exactly the episode is good, especially for people in a similar situation to angel, it could help them realize they do the same thing and then they can try to work on better ways to cope with it. besides we saw the addict video, that just gave us a taste of what the show was going to expand on
I was SA'd over a long period of time and watching that episode felt cathartic to me. I haven't seen a piece of media that depicts it like that before. It's fucked up but I admired how much better Angel wore the mask (during the abuse) than I did. It felt like I was seeing someone not only go through what I did but also go through it more resiliently so I admired his strength. It really made me feel like I'm not alone
Its just disturbing. Not even the content of the episode, but the fact that vivzie keeps doubling down on it and defends a rape fetishist.
I feel bad for vivzie, people paint her as a monster and when she actually lashes out because of the unjustified hate she gets bashed for it. Vivziepop was one of my inspirations to start animating, I and my sister used to watch her die young mv on repeat!
Me too i feel like i don't have a good inspiration at the end of the day, that i will get hate like her
Some people don't support her because of the controversies she's been into. Like if you don't like her or her shows, that's fine, but if you absolutely hate her with a burning passion and go end up doxxing her, posting death threats to her and her fans and other bad things, you need to grow up, or better yet, just ignore her and move on with your day. I'm getting really fed up with the hate and bullying from these people, demonizing Viv and calling her a bad person. UGH, I'M OVER IT!!😡😮💨
Vivziepop sneezes.
Internet: If you reverse her sneeze shows that she is actually mocking Chinese women in Quenia.
LOL legit legit
Didn’t she draw nsfw??
@@RizzyKing7 I dont know. Probably.
@@RizzyKing7 Even if she drew nsfw then what? ☠ As long as the nsfw didn't had any proship or underage character it's okay I guess?
@@lodziarz_abdul I thought porn was disgusting and bad? If you’re addicted to it.. you do you ig.
another thing thats been eating away at me, people hate viv for her depictions of SA and other situations, but they say nothing about south park, whos been doing it for YEARS.
2025 edit: Jesus y'all are still beefing
I'd also say her SA depections and showing why its fucking shit and how it breaks someone are pretty good. Like hell are people too stupid to understand Poison or Loser Baby?
@@Sky-nq9pw Not to mention the fools who because their own experience or that of someone they know was the opposite of hypersexual behavior that means it cannot be a thing for victims of SA.
Never mind countless people who have come forward and said the exact reason they were hypersexual was because they felt they had no control of or right to their own body, that if they didn't just give it up to others it would be worse or that at least by them choosing to do it, they had some form of control of it unlike when they got SA'd.
And that is just a very simplistic explanation of those I know who have been SA'd and went the Angel route of drugs, booze and lots of sex.
That's because they only go after people who care about that. They bite the ones closest to them, not their opposites. South Park is intentionally awful. They don't go after that. They go after those trying to portray it right, but not doing it their way.
South Park is grandfathered in
@@MASTEROFEVIL YEAH I can't believe you know that phrase!
The lackadaisy situation was so dumb
The Lackadaisy crew was in the wrong. A crew member assumed Vivzie made a 5,000 dollar donation for a PR stunt and were told that they were incorrect and that the Spindle Horse crew pitched in to show good will. The member then doubled down, went around spreading lies and the Lackadaisy crew defended them. This was definitely disappointing on the Lackadaisy crew’s part. I can’t believe their stubbornness and ignorance led to them 1. Making a mountain out of a mole hill and 2. Loosing 5,000 dollars
That’s such a shame because I love Lackadaisy
Yeah, I still cant take how massively DUMB it was! The worst part is that it left a bitter taste in my mouth in regards to Lackadaisy, since I loved the pilot
This is exactly why I cant stand Lackadaisy fans who constantly jump into hellaverse spaces and go "well at least we arent YOU guys Lackadaisy is so much purer and better couldnt be us UwU" if you ask me this behavior is twice as insufferable as hazbin hotel fans
I mean who cares if it was a PR stunt anyway.
Its a show of good faith, and generous support.
I cant believe anyone would get hissy over receiving a donation to benefit your product, its a win win.
Makes both companies look good to send out a note of thanks and move on.
Thats how business should be done, through connections, and support, generosity.
@@XFizzlepop-Berrytwist exactly!
To sum it all up, basically...
VivziePop: I'm gonna try my hardest to make my dream cartoons a reality.
Twitter: I took that personally, I'm offended, and I hate you!
Yep, that's the cost of fame 😢
tbf this will allow here to portray the plot of Hazbin Hotel with personal experience
I MADE A VIDEO EXPOSING HAZBIN HOTEL FOR BEING TRASH 🤬🖕
@snakeguy792 ? Where?
@@DecayedProtogen this guy is spamming. ignore them
The thing about Discord Screenshots is it is very easy to fake them. Hell the SCP wiki has a template for writers to create fictional discord chats for their articles. So there is no way to guarantee these are real in that case.
damn. so it would of not mattered if I could report to authorities when I was in the server with the guy who told everyone what he did to his cousins one father's day weekend
@@kaiyodei It could still be used as evidence but it would require multiple witnesses, representatives from Discord who could confirm the authenticity and analysis from a digital forensic expert. It won't be thrown out immediately but there will need to be other evidence.
Ok wait a minute, you're telling me that the whole chat with Verbalase about transphobic things he said might be fake (I'm referring to the whole drama about the 47k he spent)
@@VanessaLol421 It might! We won't know until it's properly investigated.
underrated comment
I just started getting into this series and I started hear the controversy of Vivzie. She’s living my WORST nightmare!! There are so many cringey things I’ve said, done, and met others in the past who’ve wronged me and apologized. Each controversy this woman went through is INSANE to me!! I would be so mortified if all my cringey art also got resurfaced when I was teen or just especially when I had no idea what I was doing!! Everything I hear now will be a grain of salt, this is an excellent video
Honestly, I feel so bad for Vivzie. Drawing cringey stuff as a teen is not a crime, honestly, the fact that she didn't quit yet because of all that is admirable.
That part about people getting kicked out of friend groups for liking Vivziepop’s shows, I can somewhat relate. I tend to keep it secret from friends and family, in fear of being disowned.
One of my lovely friends on an online game would say their opinion on hazbin and said how angel was a horrible character, and how Mimzy was a Jewish stereotype???
@@RootOfAllEvil-666If anything the Jew stereotype would be that they lent the money and sent thugs to get it back.
My best friend of 2 years left me for this :/
@@Xheddar If they left you over a show then your better off by yourself man 🫂
@@Xheddar I’m sorry to hear that. Friends shouldn’t ditch people just because of having different interests.
This is just Deviant art style drama. She made a successful show, and like the type of people that constantly create drama comes along with the territory, Vivsie made a show on a very strict budget, and the SGA union has their say in any show produced in LA which forced the VA replacements.
What’s really sad is that there’s a theory going around about a good bunch of her “critics.” While some have valid points, most of them have one trait in common: artists, indie animators etc. Unfortunately not every indie artist gets their big break like Vivzie and they become jaded afterwards towards her.
This is the 'crabs in a bucket' mentality and I honestly think it's true in this case. @@anti.bctards7376
I MADE A VIDEO EXPOSING HAZBIN HOTEL FOR BEING TRASH 🤬🖕
@@anti.bctards7376 I MADE A VIDEO EXPOSING HAZBIN HOTEL FOR BEING TRASH 🤬🖕😊
Michael said that's not true.
The funny this is that some people claim that she's fetishizing SA (Like angel and val) while it's clearly the opposite, she showing the dynamic of toxic relationships in all of its ugliness with the latter coming into a climax with "Poison"
Anyone with a few braincells can draw that conclusion
Angel: *has a break down after everything he just went through during Poison*
Twitter: "Is this glorifying SA? I think it is!"
The show doesnt but that one storyboard artist clearly does.
@@AbanonedChannel where i can find the storyboard?
@@evaflores7540 raphielle ii on youtube. Literally fetishizes rape
Honestly, I used to not like VivziePop but just soon realized it’s the community that sucks instead of her
@@Ratsarehomiesit can be hard for an artist to take criticism on something that they’ve put their whole heart into it. It makes sense. But maybe she should set herself a daily Twitter limit so she doesn’t spiral and make herself look bad? I’ve heard she’s really nice irl, so that absolutely means that her online interactions are the issue
i despise her haters, but i do agree her cartoons need to tone down on the cursing because the Myth "Cursing= mature" has long been debunked and other indie cartoons even shown that.
@@someblackguy7371 I agree. I like _Hazbin hotel_ but there is too much swearing.
Fandoms since 2018 really haven't felt the same 😅 I thought people joined fandoms to enjoy the shows and have fun , not cause drama wars and hate creators like it's going out of style.
@@Ratsarehomiesalot of the " criticism" she gets is ethier not even legitimant criticism or its criticism based off a fake drama some Twitter user made up. It's just odd. If anything itd be best for her to delete/go inactive on her main and just have a team account that only posts updates on projects.
I know Vivienne Medrano is not perfect, but that is because none of us are perfect. I just hope this hatedom does not push Viv nor anyone close to her over the deep end.
I MADE A VIDEO EXPOSING HAZBIN HOTEL FOR BEING TRASH 🤬🖕
The scary thing is these people make Earth look like a shittier place to live than Hell.
The poison/Angel Dust controversy was honestly very hurtful. I'm a COCSA and abuse survivor, and when the song came out, it felt like someone finally managed to capture the struggle of living through and managing through that sort of thing. Ive always related to angel dust in some of the ways he coped and acted and it was genuinely distressing when people claimed he was a romanticism of abuse and prostitution. Never once is the abuse shown as desirable or good, but because he is an openly sexual character apparently that means his abuse is portrayed as a positive thing.
In the words of someone i knew from tumblr, Angel Dust may not be a real person with real feelings, but talking like this about him can genuinely harm a real survivor who comes across it.
I whole heartedly feel you
Preach 🙏🙌
i mean the worst part is that the storyboarding was done by someone who fetishizes angel's struggle, so thats why people dont like how the music video is portrayed. i think it was just really irresponsible of vivzie to let someone like that handle the storyboarding for a serious topic, because its foolish to act like their kink didnt effect how angel dust was portrayed, and i think thats actually super sad. not to say people with kinks cant write heavy stuff in a respectful way, its just the specific person who storyboarded it and other angel dust assault scenes actually fetishizes angel's relationship with his abuser, and i think it sucks not to acknowledge their presence as a storyboarder as part of angel dusts controversy, because its really the worst handling of his character. i dont think the character himself is romanticizing abuse, but vivzie allowing a rape fetishist to work on the show and on specific scenes of sexual assault is really bad, and really calls into question her motives with him.
@@WaferTots 🤣🤣🤣 As a survivor of sexual abuse, and domestic violence get that kinda ignorance tf outta here. That video was the most healing, cathartic thing I've ever seen. People who have been through it, get it. The people who identify with Angel, love it, the song and the scene. If it makes you uncomfortable, 1) it's supposed to, and 2) you're missing the point.
@@AWindy94 I completely understand what the music video and shit means to you, I’m just saying the creator made a mistake by allowing a fetishist to work on the video, because it definitely affected the art and soured its message. I’m not arguing that the concept of poison and stuff was bad or anything, just the execution and choices that were made. You know I can still be critical of media while understanding its good parts and positive impact right? And you can also like something while acknowledging its flaws?
I legit met Vivzie at Megacon Orlando last week, and she is one of the nicest people I have ever met, and I even told her how she was a trailblazer for indie animation as a whole during her panel and everyone cheered. She even got adored by me showing her a video of my cat Sabrina, because she loves and has cats, overall, the hate on her is mostly nonsense if you ask me.
Honestly, I don't have any problems with Vivzie personally. My only complaints are small criticism with certain bits of writing but her shows are still good.
@@omnipresentl1316 that is definitely valid criticism for sure, I meant the hate just because she is popular is nonsense.
She seems really nice irl, just isn't build to handle internet dwellers.
Dude I was just there too, she was super nice to me and my friend and actually answered questions that we had. Not rude, disrespectful or anything, she was genuinely nice to both of us and was actually genuinely interested in what I had to say abt her show, I hate this drama sm 😭
All media personalities are "nice". They have to be...
honestly. it's refreshing to see vivziepop sticking up for herself and being unafraid to lash out at her haters during the times when she has been unfairly accused or treated. So many times i see content creators being forced to apologise and more when they didn't do anything wrong, it's infuriating to see. They are people and they have feelings, they get angry.
She's feeding the trolls, the number one thing you SHOULDN'T do. If she didn't reply to literally every minor criticism of her show or her character she wouldn't be the world's most popular lolcow.
so....i got brainwashed by tumblr insisting that shes the devil herself, only to find out NOW that she's not as bad as they made her out to be ???? what ???????
honestly i feel low-key upset cuz i couldve given hazbin hotel or helluva boss a shot when they were starting but didnt :/
To be fair, you were on Tumblr. Not exactly the most nonbiased place on the internet.
I feel bad for her and she.... I don't wanna talk about bad news.
Just wait until you actually learn that JK Rowling isn't the devil either 😂
@@mint_meringue659bro pls dont bring the actual transphobe and antisemite into this
@@mint_meringue659not u namedropping the most transphobic antisemetic female author of our generation ☠️
Vivienne is not perfect, certainly not. I mean Jesus, the woman needs to get off Twitter. But people try to stir up trouble where they can because she and her team did something unheard of.
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at this point I'm convinced if she got off Twitter some more crap would pop up about her and theories on why she poofed
she either needs to get off or have someone professional run her account since she's linked to a big show with two big companies now.
I, fundamentally agree, i'm beyond a dumbass but i can't fathom fucking up this bad
@SlimeyBaron Agreed; the woman is soring, no need to focus on "low lifes". She should just keep chasing after her goals and not let people hurt what might just be the most memorable moments of her life.
How is poison sexualizing abuse..it’s a literal cry for help…(correct me if I’m wrong) but at this point it literally gives a warning at the beginning “don’t watch if not 18+.” It’s your choice to watch it..people make me mad in the fandom 😭
I love HB and HH, but these people need Trump ASAP, they are truly pathetic.
@@djcaic3394 gen z here, no, most of us are not like that, please don't think the internet is real life, thanks
no literally😭 at the end he literally says “im drowning in poison” “i’m sick of the poison” ??? HE DOESNT LIKE IT😭 it’s not glamorizing sexual abuse at all, it’s about him being forced to put up with it all to the point where he convinces himself it’s what he wants, but really he just wants it to stop. it’s literally a cry for help :/
@@tami7992what did they say? They deleted their comment
Because the character is a boy
That why
As a trans person idk how people are saying sally is a problematic trans character like I thought she was cool and I didn’t see any issues with her
Mfs will say they want representation & diverse characters...and then say they're problematic when they get them, I will never understand these people😂
for real tho. How is sally problematic? So far, she has just kinda stood there
She's literally a background character who happens to be trans, I honestly think that that's pretty cool. This might be an unpopular opinion but I feel like a lot of shows that contain trans characters often put them in the spotlight and nowhere else, which is great and way better than having no representation at all, but feels kind of repetitive. Yes, being trans is nothing to be ashamed of, but it doesn't have to be treated as a whole spectacle, which is what I feel a lot of shows tend to do.
As a trans person, I think that a show having trans background characters makes the show feel more real and fleshed out. It sends a message to the world that trans folks are just like “normal” (cis) folks - they can be main characters, but they can also be background characters. They're just people at the end of the day. Helluva Boss is the first show that I've seen do this and I think it's really cool. There are probably plenty of other shows and whatnot that have done this, but Helluva Boss is just the one that I saw first.
Also fun fact: There can be more trans imps seen in the background in S1E8. The imp that talks to Blitzø when he and Loona are in the van about to leave the party is actually a trans guy. There are probably more in the background of later episodes like S2E7 or S2E1 but Queen Bee's episode is the first one that comes to mind.
people r just reaching ibr
ima trans person and have those exact thoughts as well
I think it's pretty fitting how most of this is just petty middle school level drama that nobody who goes outside would actually believe/care about
Fr
Vivzie just needs to get off the internet
“Just because you’re offended or don’t like something doesn’t mean you’re right.”
“Never argue with stupid, closed-minded people! They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
Something to know about the recast:
For some reason, Michael Kovach has talked multiple times about how he wanted to return to voice Angel Dust-he even re-auditioned.
Though, I guess because of Vivziepop having the opportunity to get a broadway cast and because of Michael Kovach being too busy in “Murder Drones”, that didn’t happen.
It’s nice the original VAs still support the new VAs, but according from what I learned, the original VAs wished they weren’t replaced, which I guess means much like “Scoob!”, the original VAs from the pilot were pretty upset or something? I’m not sure.
I don't blame them for being upset about getting replaced with seemingly no say in it.
That's the one gripe I could possibly have with Viv
I am actually really happy that the cast changes. I was not the biggest fan of the pilot's cast. Plus.It's Viv's show she wanted Broadway's singer she get them and she has all the right to do what she want to make the voices fit the charachters the most. People still complaining about it should get a life.
@@Liz__0062 I agree. I do however hope if Crymini has an important role in Hazbin Hotel Season 2, she’ll be voiced by Annette Toutonghi (the VA of Penelope from “Sly Cooper”).
I do think at the very least they should have been invited to the premiere- they were such a big part of the show becoming what it was. I do understand why the recasting happened, but I also don't blame them at all for being a little bummed. It's natural. They've been very gracious about it and I feel like making drama doesn't help anyone
@@ijornhribrudkrvir it makes sense to me that they were not invited to the premiere Simply because the serie is on prime tv but the pilot it's not. I consider it as kind of canon but as it would be not right to recognize their part it would have been also wrong to have them while the new voice actors had to face too much hate so I guess they were not invited also for make people remember what the canon cast is. It's not fair but I get it.
POV: Vivziepop and MrBeast fighting over who gets the most hate on Twitter for basically no reason
Mr. Beast gets pretty valid criticism for ignoring legitimate safety hazards and using poverty-inspiration as content to pad-out his image.
@@IqueyHe was prob talkin bout the bat sh*t crazy people “criticizing” him for simply providing food and water. Valid criticism is fine as long as there ain’t no death threats or straight up bullying, then it becomes pathetic.
i think dream beats the two. 90% of twitter acts like they have a personell proplem with his existence xD
@@toran9909 I think something came up that depicted him as a groomer idk tho I don't watch dream or mrbeast
Well well well...
Someone who's actually an expert in Vodou needs to chime in with that one. Although the symbols are definitely Vodou-esque, from my brief research I haven't been able to find any vèvè (Vodou symbols) that directly correlate. As far as I, and probably most people involved with this, know, Alastor's symbols could be the vèvè of evil spirits in Vodou. (Though also from my brief research, it seems Vodou has a different system of morality entirely)
People getting kicked out of friend groups for liking a musical show is so fucking dumb. Like?? “Oh you like this show? Go die in a hole and never interact with me again!” People who do that shit are genuinely so annoying and were never real friends in the first place.
I personally really like Hazbin, but I don’t like the creator at all.
EDIT : removed my last statement of separating art from the artist, which I now realize that not everyone can do that. Apologies for assuming.
fr just like kanye 🗣️
Anyone who's in the Miraculous Ladybug fandom will have experience with this. One of the lead writers is known for his Twatter rants and he's more or less become a giant meme because he's terrible at writing and we all want him off the show's team.
Even with his idiocy, the show itself is still pretty great!
But why you hate her ?! She is not a bad person !!!
I've heard separating the art from the artist, but I empathize with fans who have conflicting feelings on their favorite content. Knowing something about a creator that truly upsets me ruins that content for me, and makes it hard to be a fan. I gave up Harry Potter because of JK Terfling and she lost all my respect, I love the fans in the Fnaf fandom (the adult fan theorists always seemed sweet) but I am very disappointed in Scott Cawthorn, and I've heard lots of incredible things about Game of Thrones but I just do not align with George R.R. Martin's beliefs. The difference is that I don't bash people who ARE STILL fans of these different kinds of fandoms. Not every potterhead is a terf, all fnaf players have all kinds of diverse beliefs, and while I know nothing about fans of Game of Thrones, I don't automantically think they're bad by association just because I don't know what the fandom is like.
@@sabersz MLB is not a great show...
I think Viv just needs to stay OFF social media because yeah, a lot of Viv’s controversies are kinda just nothing. However, these things can escalate
And one day it can grow into something actually bad, if she just doesn’t ignore the haters, she needs to stop giving attention where it’s not needed
Viv HAS made mistakes, but I must *emphasize,* NONE of them are life ruining
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She is slowly leaving twitter, wich is good news! Its a pitty it came to this, tho
somewhat controversial statement but if she cant handle the hate that comes with it then she shouldnt make a show. are we all forgetting when she threw a twitter meltdown over the dumb “caine, i am your bitch” video
@@stupidbreakfastt She didn’t but go off
Yeah aside from drawing fetish art of minors and defending a rape fetishist, the rest of this drama is so stupid. People need to focus on the former two things and not petty drama
Personally, as someone who has been sexually harassed & mildly SAd, I personally felt comforted by ep 4 (I think that was it?) because it felt touching and made me have more empathy & understanding for Angel dust, which is good storytelling? Because you WANT people to relate to characters. I just don't understand how anyone could hate her for that 💀
If I was SA’d I would not feel comfortable sharing that on the internet where the whole world can see
@@Nonya_thecat well, you're not me, and personally I feel comfortable to share, and put limelight on my experiences and that it's ok if you've been through something like that, and that your experience doesn't need to be ignored.
I hope you’re doing better now.
I feel that the whole drama regarding Vivziepop and Hazbin Hotel is extremely ridiculous, as if the people causing the drama are just children or uneducated adults
They actually are minors almost all of them lol
@@honeybelle2850 mainly 13 year olds acting like idiots cuz they wanna eat up the attention
@@honeybelle2850isn't Hazbin Hotel 18+?
Hazbin Hotel fandom is full of problematic minors who will find grown ups weird for liking a show they like. Even if that show is supposed to be for adults.
I’m 13, and I gotta say, I’m very upset about all of the drama going around…
really bummed about the lackadaisy thing, this is exactly why viv mentioned that it shouldn't be a competition, yet still people use independent animation projects as their battlefield for personal grievances.
its really sad because i was hyping up both shows and i loved how different and fresh both shows were, i believed both would do great things for the world of animation but people want to throw that all away for cheap shots at people they dont like.
Wait, what happened with Lackadaisy?
@@yeals5110 Vivzie and her team donated 5000 dollars to Lackadaisy's production, one of Lackadaisy's artist got offended and started insulting Viv and her team for "rubing their money on their faces", as well as making up that Vivzie and her team "only did it for reputation and they didn't mean it", things scalated, Lackadaisy's team members defended the one that started the whole thing, and that's it
@@aprillee7555Imagine getting mad at someone for donating to your project, how the Hell is Viv the problematic one in that situation??? I legitimately don't understand how people work today smh
@@PhantomPinetree I think people these days are just full of hate due to the current state of the world and how they can't do anything about it.
@@PhantomPinetree I don't get how Viv was supposedly the problematic one in this situation either. For me the Lackadaisy crew behaved very immaturely.
This is a bit obscure but this reminds me SO much of the 'steven universe crit' community on tumblr back in the day.
They'd constantly watch SU just to critique and nitpick it and harass the creators. I never got why they were so invested in something they so clearly disliked, yet they'd keep watching! They'd accuse the creator of so much nasty shit and pull up old art from when she was younger to get mad about.
I know it's a dump question, but what's wrong with Steven Universe, it's a good kids cartoon
@@VanessaLol421 There's people critizing the show for the LGBTQ+ in it, Garnet being the prime example, the same things as ever "it's going to pervert the kids" "this is woke and it's disgusting" yadayadayada, but people also critize the show for talking about mental illness, with characters like Perla, Lapis and Steven, again because "the kids wouldn't understand it" "this is too mature for kids" or even "it's romantizing mental illness"
@sonia8264 nothing is wrong with it. people just nitpicked every little thing. I remember some common ones were that Rebecca Sugar is a nazi for redeeming the diamonds as they were dictators (wild as she is Jewish lol), pulling up old NSFW art from when she was a teen, saying the show romanticized abuse for daring to have unhealthy relationships ig. Shitting on the writing and art - even sending hate directly too the animators via social media. There were a lot of racism allegations but I don't really remember why?
Personally I don't think the show is perfect, but the hate towards it was insane and unwarranted. The fans drove one fan artists to attempt suicide for being 'fat phobic' (drawing rose too skinny). One storyboard artist had to delete their Twitter because of harassment from 'fans'.
Oh man I remember this. I avoided the hell out of participating in the community too much because the crits were so so obnoxious and found their way into everything.
They also caused a fan artist to unalive themselves bc the artist drew characters in a way they didn't like. Imo SU could have been so much better if CN hadn't put such a time crunch on the show, which is why later seasons feel rushed. ESPECIALLY the Diamond redemption, that should have been way more than it actually was.
I think it's pretty sad when people go out of their way to cause unnecessary controversy with Vivziepop. Leave her and the crew alone! Anyway, thank you for breaking all this down!
Controversies and indie animation make a great team at this point 💀💀💀
Always has been
@@-king-1230 hazbin*
@@_ur_lcal_dt_noice👍
Honestly the only thing I will say about Vivzie is that ya, she’s not perfect but who of us are. She’s barely 31 and she’s practically spent half of her life on the internet. All the shit from ten years ago and further was when she was a teen and A LOT of teens are into some cringey shit. I remember being into some really cringey shit when I was younger. The way she handles online discussions isn’t too pretty either but it’s not super shocking that people blurt out things when they’re angry, that’s a human thing. To me, she’s just a normal person who’s had some slip ups because she is human. But obviously that’s never enough for people on Twitter. She’s fine, she just needs a PR team
Serial killers are also normal people, not really a great defense. You don't get rid of your fetishes tho isn't just a "when I was younger" thing.
@@sempai7513 You’re not wrong HOWEVER, I would like to point out there are a lot of things that teens and children like or think are acceptable when they’re younger and then don’t realize are not okay until they’re older. It’s completely normal for someone who doesn’t understand the world to not understand everything that is right or wrong. Watt pad for example, A LOT of people wrote smutty things that they couldn’t fully understand until they’re older at which point they realize that’s messed up? On the internet it is not that uncommon for some kids and teens to write or do things they don’t understand only to regret later on
@@sempai7513bro did u seriously just say “Erm Serial killers-“ 🤓☝️
saw someone say "the fact that this is half an hour long says a lot." yeah it says that a lot of these are nothingburgers brought up by people who hate viv and are mad she's successful. viv isn't perfect, but she's apologized for many of her past mistakes and is more scrutinized than any other creator i've seen
Exactly. It sure does say a lot! A lot about how hateful people are towards her that they'll dig up ANYTHING they can find on her to tear her apart and make sure she never succeeds. They're THAT desperate and have nothing better to do, its frustrating..
You know you've backed them into a corner when they unironically resort to "Video half hour, so Vivzie bad".
@@paragonpoints8420 And then the same people who preach that shit dont even watch the fucking video 😂.
@@ehidk796 EXACTLY
Lol she was a fan of Sausage Party?! 😂 I don't dislike her at all, that just made me laugh. We all did cringey art as young people. I had the "rabbid rabbits" series when I was a teen in high school. They included lovely characters like "BJ Bunny" and "R*pist Rabbit"... If anyone saw those comics I did with my friend of rabbits on drugs and assaulting people for laughs they'd be like?! But I was 16. Now I'm 31 and have a new perspective.
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That is just being a teen. We naturally do cringy stuff because we are young.
@@callumbaurley716 We should go back to embracing the cringe, old people lose that spark and freedom and get too caught up in what society tells us to do. Really breaks the spirit.
I've always been in denial of the dumb things i did as a kid because i don't want any intrusive thoughts. I unironically thought Minions were funny only for years later to come back and laugh at the very thing i used to hate 😂. Of course I'm still sticking to personal opinions but there are very few times when i completely forgot about the reasons why i hated something in the first place
@@adamshafeeq8685 Minions are funny. There I said it.
The problem is that it's not the kind of funny you can keep milking without it becoming awfully annoying. And what did they do? They kept milking it because the children obviously loved it.
1:55 Yeah, two consenting adults in a relationship isn't "immoral" or "degenerate", it's called love. They weren't even doing anything explicit, so you're pretty much just shaming an artist for pairing two of their own characters.
sometimes i wonder if being involved in so much drama is what makes viv so tense when she interacts with people on twitter. people expect the worst of her so maybe shes started to fear the worst from them too.
She absolutely needs to limit what she says on twitter.
@@saberszfor real, it makes it kind of hard to defend Viv sometimes when she reacts to controversy in such a poor way
Well she does react poorly to the criticism, but can you blame her? Even if she responds in the nicest way possible, people will still attack her
@@spaceaxolotl6196 ye but shes also human and her twitter is an extension of herself, not just the spindlehorse brand, it probably sucks to have every single interaction you have online to be viewed through the lens of "how can i used this to defend the fact i dont like her". people are perfectly within their right to not vibe with viv, thats completely normal and healthy, but hounding her account looking for chances to bring her up and drag her is just petty and unhealthy for both parties.
@@MediecreGoddessI do not think the people who drag her through the mud are right and I understand how much that can wear on a person's mental health. However, arguing with people through long comment threads is not a great way of dealing with it and it ends up making her look worse and it only further wears down on her mental health. I think she should learn how to ignore it for the most part
People when a 17 years and 11 months old character and a a 19 years old character are in a relationship: 😨
Fictional characters... getting butthurt for the age of drawings is crazy...
oh yes. that is sick. I think my mom and biological father were 17 and 19. when i was a highschool senior I had a crush on a 16 year old. I had a buncn of behavioral problems and almost got held back. so I say "what happens if I got a crush on a 17 year old?" and I had s few people loose their mind and say i need to stay away from children. I had one person say I could of damaged her body for life. dude. I am female. I am puney. I was 80 pounds, 4 foot 11, there is no way I can break a 17 year old boy;s body as if I am 30 on a 2 year old. I am mentally immature. how can I abuse a child? when a 17 year old might of been more mentally mature than I was at 19. all my friends were 3 or 4 years younger than me, because I had those problems. people do age gaps because they want abuse and control. I had those friends because I could not get along with people my own age. I was like a dumb kid for to long. but this is reality so it is gross.
Some people don’t realize that when it comes to small year age gaps, it’s really based on the maturity level in the relationship. I’m being so serious about this-I literally got called a PEDOPHILE because I was in a relationship with someone who was 3 years younger than me. I was 16, and he was 14.
@@spookysoupz the word pedophile has lost its meaning
@@spookysoupzpeople really like to get involved with someone life like come on get the fuck out from my life, it's myself choice and my own destiny you don't have anything from it
I went to see her with a group of friends at Megacon and she is literally the sweetest and she was super supportive when my friend brought up her dream to become an indie animator, even giving some advice and listening to my friend’s ideas.
Overall, even if she makes mistakes, we all do and there is never going to be one thing that EVERYONE agrees with. To be honest, one of the reasons that she is hated on twitter/X is because people KNOW that they can start drama about it.
At this point it will be better if she uninstalls Twitter, cause that sh*t of an app is toxic as heck
Aren't you really seeing that ah he did questionable things and he keeps doing them? God, vivzie fans are sad losers
The good news it that she is on Bluesky now, instead of Twitter
a thing that so many people just CANT understand is that people can change overtime like during the early days of the internet everyone was literally insane people were saying and doing so many bad things and people now are getting mad at others even though they aren’t innocent either like as long as the person you are talking about isn’t doing that bad thing anymore and apologized you should at least somewhat forgive them
Hell I lived that era, funny thing is for all the bad crap said online, many were good people IRL.
There is probably a few doctors who have saved people's lives who once threw around slurs, insults and trash talk about violating someone's dead relatives back in the day.
Also there is the simple fact that a lot of old school trash talk was NEVER taken seriously by those who understood it, it was meaningless, pointless and just a way to waste time and have a laugh.
I took part in it and one thread went full 180 when the OP didn't respond for a while, then announced he just got a call and that is why he hadn't responded..... his parents were in a car accident caused by a drunk driver, dad was injured but going to be fine..... the mother, was not going to make it and he had to go ASAP.
Aside from the 10-14yo edgelords who got IP banned for saying nasty crap to OP, everyone else stopped the slur throwing and crap and went into full empathy and sympathy mode.
We even had a few cops on there who reached out to the OP wanting him to DM where he lived so they might be able to help, turns out one did and got a friend on duty to pick up OP and drive him with lights and sirens to the hospital.
Sadly he was 10 minutes too late to say goodbye. That broke many of us to learn that.
After that the thread devolved into people sad for OP, some outright in tears and admitting it, announcing they were going to leave to call their parents, berating drink drivers, hoping and praying for OP to be okay and so on.
So just by judging the first 50 pages you would think everyone was monsters of the worst kind, but page 51 onward showed a completely different story.
I saw someone DEAD. ASS. Say that 14 years “means nothing”
The irony to this is that her show literally is about how people can change...
The story in these replies about the group chat with all the slurs is really weird to me. It wants us to be impressed that people showed basic human empathy when one of their online friends explained that his parents' lives were in danger? Well yeah, friend groups generally tend to care about each other. That's not really saying much. Most humans aren't sociopaths so I don't really know why the chat "going into full empathy mode" at the idea of one of their friends' parents DYING is supposed to get applause.
It's weird because it's kind of being done as an attempt to handwave away any concern someone might have about someone's idea of "trash talk" literally just being a list of slurs. I was also around for that era, and none of the groups I was in just hurled slurs at each other lmao. The reason people are suspicious of that kind of banter is because people's genuine subconscious beliefs tend to bleed over into their sense of humor, and that can raise some eyebrows. Like, the fact that your friend group displayed the simplest level of empathy doesn't make the slurs less sus. Being willing to just let slurs fly at the drop of a hat is super weird, and it's weirder to pretend like irony and "trash talk" are incapable of eventually becoming unironic just because one time a friend group acted like an average friend group would.
I don't engage in drama regularly since its usually always about the same thing, and it affects me negatively but a lot of people just don't like vivzie because shes successful so they make up lies about her.
I see you don't know how this works
Normally people are to lazy to research on what happen so it normally more safer to not look like a stan to agree with the strangers
For some reason the critics that are making moot points are usually the type of people she’s trying to pave the way for: indie artists. Whatever career you have, some make it big while others don’t.
Some shit is definitely fake. But you sound like you believe everything said in dramas and bever question it.@NoRedRaptors_questionmark_
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wtf are these controversies? It sounds like something only a 16 year old who lives 24/7 on tumblr and twitter could come out.
Quick question: when _The Princess and the Frog_ came out, did people get this angry with Dr. Facilier? I may have missed it since I wasn't active online, but I haven't seen any word about it and he is a) a villian, b) active voodoo practitioner, and c) recurrent character in theme parks, shows, and other media.
Lets consider that Dr.Faciler and his creators are extremely different.
That was 2009.
The drama is making me feel like I can’t enjoy these shows, which is sad because I support these shows but not really Vivzie herself with what’s going on currently
exactly, this is why I try to avoid hearing about them. It genuinely makes it hard to like the shows.
Don’t worry the drama is fake it’s always been fake and unless we have undeniable definitive proof it’s gonna keep being fake the real reason people post this is just out of pure unchecked jealousy and self loathing, because they aren’t smart or creative enough to create something like she did…
I just hate all the drama going on
Like people let me enjoy her animation😤
Just don’t pay attention to it. That’s what i do. The show is the show. None of us actually know what’s going on behind the scenes.
I get it. It's hard to separate art from artist, but look at it this way - Vivzie here might be a bad person, she might have dome some dare I say scandalous things, but the shows are good, artistic, and Hazbin Hotel was made by a team, with Viv here just being one member. I know this won't magically fix every problem, but it's a start. Hope this helps :)
„But Adam shouldn’t be white, that’s not biblically accurate“ … but Adam swearing in almost every sentence IS?!
What I found most frustrating about the SA/Raph situation, is that it sparked from a leak which got more and more misconstrued, then once the episode came out a lot of the tweets got deleted or people doubled down
Imagine if we told Hitler that one day, someone would draw him as a sausage and would get hate because that's how much we still hate him lmfao
You should search for the free documentary "The greatest story never told" it was made by Denise wise. The whole thing is about 6 hours long, but what an eye opener. It's not like other docs you might have seen
@@chronometer9931 why are you recommending people watch a pro-h I t l e r. propaganda film... Profile pic checks out
Best comment on this video istg
"Vat kind of sausage? Bratwurst?" - Hitler, probably
“Poison was too detailed!!” What did you expect? Well thats the RAW REALITY OF SA what is wrong with you if you cant handle THESE topics dont watch the show.
exactly
It was uncomfortable to watch, but that's what it was going for, it got across the message of "this is not right!"
true
unfortunately, because its so easy to change your username, pfp, and hold a fake conversation and screen shot it (or just quickly edit fake dms) discord message accusations dont really hold water. even if you made a video physically scrolling to he conversation there's ways to fake it. i want to trust people who were hurt but theres also no solid proof to go off of.
How nice for this video to drop when I just found someone complaining about Vivzie cause she ate FUCKING MCDONALDS!💀
I saw a comment about that on this video, lol
It's not just that they called her a "zionist" bc of eating McDonald's 😭
im done 💀💀
Alright fuck humanity
@@syrusthefemboy Guess I'm a zionist than even tho I've constantly given my support for palestine, donated to the cause and supported the cease fire movement. People do realize that MCDonald's or not any money you give to the government is going to Isreal right? Like it doens't matter where you eat bruh that doesn't fix anything. 💀
For a fandom that claims to be "overly accepting, loving, judgement-free, and welcoming" all they do is judge and find new ways to be offended over nothing
Only thing getting my goat with Vivzie recently is that running theory that she isn't planning on bringing Adam back. (I hope this isn't true because man that's a complete waste of a pretty decent antagonist. Plus redemption and all that stuff.)
The problem was that unlike snake, he was killed by an angelic weapon
Welp we have at most another 2 years to wait until we finally find out ;v; (I heard somewhere that the next season will be released in a year and a half if not 2.)
@LP_army9 To be honest, every show alive finds loopholes. Plus unlike the Exorcist killed by Carmilla, Adam's human. It wouldn't be the same result with him. (Or flat out they pull a Vegeta and have him on life support in the hotel. Keeping him dead but not DEAD dead until he's needed. Like the "healing coma" crap with Superman.)
@Lulu_Loves_Sheep Plus Vivzie has been really receptive to LutexAdam stuff. So who knows? We may get out two terribly bad but wholesome angels back together.
He's a High Rank Winner, getting killed by an angelic weapon is a permadeath
incredible video. it’s insane how detailed and well made these videos are. props to you Ayy Lmao👏
I commend Viv for her nerves of steel especially with so many of these drama seekers just trying to make her look like a bad person. It’s absolutely ridiculous how many people try to go after her for unnecessary reasons she can’t even do so much and support a fellow in the creator without people acting like she’s causing the next world war, I hope these drama seekers can finally get over there selves and find something better to do with their lives rather than harass the creator that’s just trying to do what she loves. I hope the best for Vivziepop in the future
People are so jealous that they will bring down anyone that actually succeeds
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Does "anyone" include Donald Trump?
@@christopherbravo1813yes actually. Before Donald Trump became president or what he was now he was loved by many and even done movie cameos in home alone and little rascals. Wether the person is good or bad there will always people jealous and make things up that aren’t true.
@@hillymine Huh. Honestly, I was expecting a response somewhere along the lines of " well it's *Donald Trump* therefore it's okay to make things up about him". Guess that's my B for making assumptions.
But yeah, it certainly feels like anyone who is at all successful in this world is doomed to be harassed constantly by people who don't know a darn thing. Like, I wouldn't say that Vivzie is my favorite person in the world exactly, but I wouldn't pounce on her at any given opportunity let alone dox her, nor would I expect anyone to do the same. what happened to common decency?
@@christopherbravo1813 yeah ngl I have VERY mixed feelings on viv as a person but most of the accusations are from bigoted hypocrites
For certain characters, I prefer the pilot cast, but for most, I prefer our current cast. But, THERE. IS. NOTHING. WRONG. WITH. RECASTING. ANYTHING. IN. BETWEEN. ITS. PILOT. AND. THE. FINAL. PRODUCT. Vivzie had every right, she also wanted a more broadway-esque cast, and, side note, while Michael Kovach CAN sing beautifully, and he does an amzong Angel voice, he CANNOT sing well while doing the Angel voice. There's a reason Addict was ao heavily Autotuned. It's not because of his talent or anything like that, it's because he had to press on his throat to make the Angel voice. Also, A24 and/or Prime may have desired the recast as well. And also, as mentioned in this video, the pilot was a WIP point in development. As Vivzie's vision grew and changed during production, it's no wonder that the pilot's VAs had interpetations and voices that may not fit her vision anymore. That's okay. Both casts are incredibly talented and deserve praise.
Part of the promotion of the show was its Broadway cast, because they wanted to draw more people in than just folks who had seen the pilot on RUclips years ago. It was an incredibly smart move on their part. Several people I know who would never have touched the show just looking at it have now watched the whole thing and loved it, because it had Broadway stars in it that they like who sing wonderfully.
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I understand that, but thats also a little sad I think in a way, not giving a show a chance just because it doesnt have a certain actor?
@@XFizzlepop-Berrytwist These are people who don't like the majority of adult animation. They gave it chance because someone whose work they respect and love was a part of it. I don't like most medieval fantasy or historical dramas, but I'll watch one if someone whose other work I like is part of it. Partially because I want to see how they approach it, but also because it could mean that this show/film does something that made it interesting to that actor, and if we share similar tastes, that might mean this work is an exception too. It's just like trying a new type of food because your friend recommended it even if you'd never have tried it yourself. You trust the individual even if you aren't sure about the food/media.
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Sure, but in that same note, you’ll never get to experience other great things if you only try the same thing over and over.
How will you know if you’ll like another actor or food or not without trying it? XD
I dunno, I never got too hung up on particular actors, or pay attention to acting cast usually, but if I recognize a VA I think its neat to know I recognized them after I’ve already started watching the show.
Eh I think it's a little bit different here because the pilot cast spent years helping promote Hazbin and building the fandom that got it to the point where it did get picked up by a24/Amazon. The least they could have done is invite them to the premiere.
So, essentially, what I'm getting from this, is that all of the modern drama is *literally* just twitter being twitter. There's a reason why I've never spent my time on that site... No matter what the media or topic, there will be someone spinning some drama out of the most minor of details. It's very telling that all of these tweets call Vivzie things like "evil". They're so in the weeds about hating this caricature of a person they've crafted in their head, that they'll incorporate literally anything into it to further the narrative. If you're ever at the point where you think someone is genuinely "evil" for some unconfirmed personal drama from 10-12 years ago, then you really need to take a moment to re-evaluate yourself and the time you spend online. It's also really telling that the twitter user who started the chain of drama about glorification of SA in episode 4, specified that they are *not* an SA survivor themselves... Meaning, that as always, it was someone not affected by any of the thing is question, taking charge and defending the real victims, without anyone asking them to.
Good god, do people not know how often a roles get re-cast between a pilot and broadcast? The only thing unusual about this case is people complaigning about it
I just gotta hope NTSG doesn't leaked this again.
I have to say, does anyone else remember Lincar Rocks that little weirdo stalker that tried to get on the Hazbin/Helluva crew and try to apply to the job with Kyle, A. Carroza’s storyboards and also also stock that guy 10 years prior.
I MADE A VIDEO EXPOSING HAZBIN HOTEL FOR BEING TRASH 🤬🖕
@@sailorstar3148 WHATT!???
@@catoninetails Yeah, it was insane and Viv found out about him, and his other aliases he deleted all of his social medias with the aliases
Wait people were actually mad over a relationship with a 17 and 19 year old? I cant believe people actually get mad over that. Theyre both still teens, ones a year away from adulthood while the other is fresh out of highschool? What power imbalance?
Like maybe the TA thing is weird, but the age alone shouldnt be a problem.
no matter how nice you are or how good at something there will always be haters to try and bring you down
I MADE A VIDEO EXPOSING HAZBIN HOTEL FOR BEING TRASH 🤬🖕
Every person pointing a finger at vivziepop has three fingers pointing back at themselves. I swear they tell on themselves every time with their accusations; the projection is real.
Wow like I know how controversies can make a person go bad but VivziePop has been through ALOT so her surviving it all and being a good animator is crazy!
I had an animation prof work for her. And I asked him if it was true that she was a terrible boss and he said no. He told me she was actually really accommodating and nice. He even took a few weeks free cuz he was overwhelmed and she was cool with it. He even worked on an episode of Hazbin hotel.
it makes me really sad and I feel terrible because some of the drama I actually believed up until this video. back in late 2010's Vivziepop was such a huge inspiration for my art and helped me want to become more interested in what I could do for animation, I'm still learning but it's thanks to her and many other creators that I had a lot of confidence in myself to start drawing again
agreed with the viewpoint on poison. as an SA survivor myself, that scene did not seem like it was fetishizing SA. angel was singing about his experiences with val and about how angel had drifted from himself for val. he lost his identity to val the second he sold his soul. the scenes depicted during the song aren't to glamorize his abuse. they're to SHOW the abuse. val made him work ALL NIGHT after that, in situations that angel wasn't comfortable with. there is nothing wrong with showing the cold truth. in fact, the beginning of the episode features a content warning specifically for SA.
Great video as always! But I just want to make it clear that Raph has stated themself that they are NOT an SA victim
The tweet was from 2022 and like the person in the ss says, things could have happened since then.
This is just insane! Viv has EVERY right to defend herself, it's not her fault the world is still sensitive to LIFE SHIT! I'd be worried too if my creations have been treated like it's the devil itself.
I MADE A VIDEO EXPOSING HAZBIN HOTEL FOR BEING TRASH 🤬🖕
ironic considering it takes place in hell
@@silvallygamer123 Exactly!
Omg I don't want to hear that. She need Jesus/Abba :(...
"people were expecting an evil character, but he just looked like an ordinary dude"
Nooo, really? The first human to have ever been created...looks like a human? I am shocked and appalled
I dont understand why people get so toxic about a fictional shows for no reason, the stuff is mabe up for the most part to tell a story that the creator is going for.
and then that is what happens. someone is telling a story. if i wrote a story, i must be thinking of something. why would I write? if i make something twisted, why? if i mad a character who has some extreme powers, but it needs to be refreshed by some pretty dark means, then why did I create that? if I write about a vampire like race being hated like how people hate lepers, that makes me bad. if I create something because I think it is dark and edgy because it is supposed to be. what does it say about me? making people uncomfortable. like when i fight with the proshippers and they say if a child can fight in an intergalactic war to save all existence, why can't they be in a relationship with an adult? maybe they have a point. so why not then?
@@kaiyodei First off, thanks for the comment I appreciate any that come my way. Secondly, I think this is a little off topic to the video, I don't think it make sense to what I meant.
Cause a lot of people care more about fictional characters and scenarios than the real world. And honestly I can relate a bit, but I won't go hate on someone's art or show cause I don't like it.
I find it funny how whenever I ask people where they got proof of vivize being problematic, they immediately block me. Shows how much we have fallen as a society
I've seen people on Twitter share strong allegations of Vivz that they themselves know and admitted are fake but pretend to believe they're real anyways just to spread missinfo and spite her. It's insane the hate boner people have for this women.
It's simultaneously humorous and horrifying. People don't want to have conversations anymore, only arguments.
As an SA survivor who spent years being hurt, I felt the whole Angeldust Poison song spoke to me. Especially when he disassociated, he slid into a hyper-s-ual character. I felt that, I was that. It's rare that I see SA survivor who mirror my trauma responses, mainly Astarion and Angeldust. And it is good to see them in a positive light while STILL healing like Angeldust, because often times when they're still healing they get the Jennie in Forest Gump treatment and are turned into villains for turning on their hyper smexual self that is just a mask they wear for protection. After years of the same trauma you learn to just say yes to avoid the additional pain that comes with no, and I felt Viv did an amazing job at showing that.
28:32 Ken Ashcorp? He and Viv share a similar thing, you know. There's a whole video about him and one section that talks about the criticism he gets about his music, with people saying it's "overly sexual" or "Should be toned down for a larger audience", but he doesn't listen to it, and the guy talking about Ken said, "Criticism should always be listened to, but it shouldn't be adhered to. Ken wants to make music with sexual themes, Anime girls, and video games, and he will keep doing that. If he makes different music that other people want, is that really still what he wants to make? Ken's making the music he wants and loves, and I respect the guy for that." (or something like that, go look it up, gave me a different outlook on criticism)
Dude, Ken is a legend. His old MLP music is still greatly nostalgic.
Yeah it's overly sexual, but are we about to act like most of the pop songs released that get MILLIONS of listens and are lapped up by the general public aren't the same, if not worse??
Maybe he doesn't want a wider audience. Simple as that eh
@@sabersz couldn't have said it better.
Most of Ken's songs are pretty much for an older demographic (older teens and adults specifically), so I don't think Ken is is in the wrong for making "sexy" stuff
Forced drama, in this day an age people always feel the need to dig deep into the past of everyone and criminalize them. Everyone is young and dumb at one point, people grow, change, and clearly vivize has.
Should’ve left cancel culture in 2023 but 🤷♂️
I MADE A VIDEO EXPOSING HAZBIN HOTEL FOR BEING TRASH 🤬🖕
Indeed. I'll bet that some of those who do that have skeletons in their closet.
@@outrun9951 We all do. As teenagers we barely knew jack shit, and we all done things that we find questionable now, but it's part of personal growth and growing up. Anyone who demonizes that is a fucking moron.
@@outrun9951 100% Those who carry on like this are just deflecting and projecting onto others.
I mean look at the whole Orcs are black people BS, I have known countless table top gamers and NONE OF THEM ever looked at a picture of an Orc and went "Yep thats a black person"
So why is it the people who complained about it looked at Orcs and thought "BLACK PEOPLE!"
at first i thought this was gonna be like "oh they are terrible they did this terrible thing" but no this is proving drama wrong FINNALLY, PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT MOST DRAMA IS FAKE
I'm so glad I don't have that kind of petty friends where they will ditch you for a fandom you're apart of
What a shitty thing to do
I watch Ed Bosco on Unexpectables, a few context clues why he wasn't in the song might be cause he has a super busy schedule and he has a lot of Anxiety when it comes to singing, he's made a few songs but he's still very nervous
Thank you! So many people look FAR too deep into him not being in the song.
People spend their lives trying to cancel, call out and otherwise slander others because they have so little control in their personal lives that they lash out in an attempt to gain control over something or someone, it's a rush to them to see a creator be condemned from the industry and it becomes an addiction, they become addicted to the misery that they put themselves into, and once one creator is gone they immediately move on to the next one, just to get another taste of the high.
I've heard so much shit about her that I honestly don't care anymore. Like, at this point her being not a very nice or professional person doesn't concern me because I just want my Hazbin/Helluva fix. You can like the art without liking the artist and vice versa.
Right? I know almost nothing about Viv except she has made a pretty great show. XD