Kylie is undoubtedly naturally gorgeous and it’s good to see her open up more about her procedures. Remember guys- trends come and go but confidence is always in style🤍
To be honest, I don't exactly blame Kylie for everything that happened because she was a literal child when the reality show aired...and so she spent her whole life, and childhood under cameras and people who judged her, so maybe all the pressure she was put throught it's the one we should blame, and not attack her without remembering what led her to that decision in the first place...which in this case was the media, the public and even her own family :(
@@lharenai True! I totally agree with ya! I was talking about the part of understanding, not the one of exactly forgiving or agreeing with her actions because they are still bad…
Insecurity starts when other people point it out just like Kylie's experience. I too wasn't even insecure about my teeth before but when my mom started to point it out, it became my goal to fix it.
I’m a 14 year old Indian girl who lives abroad and I use to be really insecure about having brown skin my own friends made fun of me for having brown skin but I’ve learn to love my skin color , I’m still insecure about a lot of things about myself but I’ll try to be proud of my insecurities!! Thank youuu I love you Zoe 🫶🏻🫶🏻
I noticed when she had her daughter she started to reverse most of what she did people forget she’s only today 26 not to long ago she was a little girl that was shamed by society and her family for being ugly
I'm not from the US, and honestly, it feels like this is almost an American obsession with being confident and loving yourself more than anything and anyone. it seems very self-centered! I totally agree that confidence is amazing and we should aim for it, but being obsessed with it takes it to the "arrogant" side.
What was left out of the picture: A lot of beauty "enhancing" surgeries are serious medical procedures. For example, the brazilian butt lift (mortality rate one in 2,351 to one in 6,241) to name one of the worst. It is not okay as a person with influence (especially on young, insecure girls) to present it like a walk in the park. Plastic surgery is NOT like changing your hair color. It is a risk and can change your life in ways you didnt expect.
Calling plastic surgery beauty enhancement is a bit much... Using makeup, clothing, even hairstyles to enhance your best features is beauty enhancement, cause it just works with whatever you have to make it look the best, without taking away or adding anything. And it's no permanent change either. Plastic surgery, on the other hand, changes your body permanently, hence not enhancing it but transforming it.
@@Eniramoi Yeah I gotta say, this take combined with her take on Temu just seem off to me. Saying that plastic surgery is shamed because of jealouscy?! I mean, come on. Its not about that, its about pretending to be all natural but actually undergoing surgery. It creates wrong expectations for women in our society. I get the struggle of the kardashians but they are feeding into the circle.
it does honestly depend on the type of surgery. i saw a tiktok about a woman winning a korean mommy makeover (not the american kind) and they really just enhanced her natural features and gave her a more youthful look yet she still looked almost exactly like herself beforehand. plastic surgery culture in korea is obviously very different to the american that being said i don't like the kardashians and while i can feel sympathy for them feeling like they have to permanently change how they look this whole kylie "taking accountability" for their influence on todays beauty standards seems incredibly fake and just a way to get people to dislike the kardashians/jenners less
all of us think that we're ugly bare faced but we are comparing ourselves to people with makeup on , lastic surgery and beauty support by their companies
I'm always bare faced and I don't think I'm ugly 🤷♀️ but then again I have no interest in wearing makeup, though I enjoy watching the artistry of it. Actually I prefer the fresh, bare face look on people.
I didn't care about my nose or chin or jawline until my mom commented on them when I was 12/13. She also commented about my weight (I was a healthy weight, she told me I'd gained weight) and that really affected me too.
No matter what others say, our families affects us the most and thats really sad that most of the parents doing it without even realizing. My brothers and my mom was saying "haha look at that belly" type of things when i was 5 and even tho i didnt get body shamed at school or any other place, i was always trying to hide my belly without realizing. I wish all the parents can understand how much power they have on their child's body/beauty images...
Natural beauty is a reliable marker of fit genes. That is why we are evolutionarily mistrustful of "fake" beauty. Also, the fear of the "uncanny valley" is another subconscious reason fake beauty is seen as untrustworthy.
“If the women who “chose” to get plastic surgery had never suffered the constant bombardment of beauty standards, would they ever had “chosen” to get plastic surgery at all? Is it really a choice if the reason you do it is because society makes you feel like your natural self is inadequate, therefore making you unworthy of respect?” Not to mention how people who get plastic surgery may feel personally happy and empowered, but everyone else just feels shitty. Like, nearly every girl who gets a nose job has a big nose just like me, really feels like a slap in the face. I get that this is all about them, but we seriously need to consider the impact our actions have on society as a whole
This. I didn't agree when Zoe said that people do plastic surgery to enhance their beauty. Feels like saying only certain features are beautiful when each of them have it's own charm to me. Like big ass nose for example, it's giving charisma.
@@SuzutheoneI love me some big noses, some ethnic noses, a nose that is the same as the one of your parents or grandparents and so on, noses that were perfectly normal until capitalism came to tell people : plastic surgery is empowerment, go ahead, give us your money.
I don't think someone making a decision about their body has anything to do with you. Nor does that person have a responsibility to think about how you'll fell. Nor do they need to take permission from you for it. No features are ugly and we really need to learn to accept our uniqueness. BUT some people who are unable to, are well within their right to do whatever makes them feel better.
Hey Zoe! First off, I am fan of your work; You're content, presentation, and community you built is genuine and amazing! As much as I enjoyed this video, I'm going to heavily disagree here. (Please note: that I am a cis-het Latine man. I only have experiences as such, and I am not speaking for nor of the experiencies of BIPOC women/ women identifying folks.) There is a major point that you missed; especially when it comes to discussing the Kardashians. That is the beauty "Standard" They influence and brought upon to the mainstream, was entirely and primarily appropriated by Black and Brown women. Granted, as you have stated everyone has different bodies, features, etc. Black and Brown women are no exception, yet when the spotlight is focused on them, it is primarily focused on their bodies i.e: curvy bodies, full lips, slim waist, big booty, etc. The appropriation goes beyond the literal and physical bodies. From the choice of partners, fashion, hairstyles, make-up styles , et all. Plenty of other content creators here have pointed it out and gone in depth such as: @Kadijha Mbowe, @Tee Noir, @Fab Socialism, @Mina Le and more. All this to say, that while yes, we should not judge nor ostracize people who get/receive cosmetic surgery (especially if it is their own choice). The Kardashians are both the exception AND the rule. Especially considering, how their influence has had an impact in the current popular culture. There's plenty more, but I wholeheartedly reccommend, you watch the videos about this subject from all of the aforementioned, female/fem-identifying creators. That being said, I still am a fan of the channel, your work, and you! I just wanted to throw in some two cents here. Keep doing what you're doing and hope you're having a wonderful week!❤ Thank you for reading if you have read this far!
I have given up when it comes to understand HOW we are supposed to look like😳???Cant we just be happy that we are well and not scaring anyone in the street🫣🥴
I’m not going to feel sorry for Kylie Jenner. Her lying about getting her boobs and ass done was gaslighting on a mass scale . For YEARSSSS. Young girls were defending her, calling it ‘pubity’, young men said she was the standard, they thought that’s what happens to girls when they become women 😂 When some of us who knew better would say no that is obvious plastic surgery…these young people would shut us down and say it’s pubity, or it’s her pregnancy. For her to flippantly come out after years of gaslighting everyone, denying surgery and just say ‘when I got my boobs done’ without any shame for what she made young people think for years, is also messed up.
I love your videos because they really get me thinking. About my own concepts of beauty and plastic surgery. As a nurse I would never risk my life for a nose job (or any other plastic surgery). Because you can die potentially from any general anesthesia. I had to undergo multiple surgeries including an emergency surgery myself. And I was always extremely relieved to wake up again! Most likely I just have seen too much so my view is of course biased from the experiences I had. And still - everyone has to decide it for themselves. And to judge a person based on their looks - now that’s something I really don’t want to do. So you challenge me to have a closer look on my believes - and that’s great!
In my opinion there’s nothing wrong with plastic surgery. As long as you’re happy that’s what matters. Thank you for making such amazing content! You actually make me more confident by making such good content so thank you!
Her body before plastic surgery is literally goals, but that's just me. And she's definitely had a BBL. You don't from her before body to her after body with just exercise, no matter how intense and targeted.
I seriously love all of your videos! i love how outspoken you are, i really trust your opinions and beliefs about people and you have helped me become a better version of myself.
I feel like you didn’t really do any research on this video aside from your own personal opinion as it’s missing a lot nuance. Wish you talked more about how the Kardashians lie about their surgeries then sell product to obtain that. I think you forget that you’re an adult looking at these women. Not a young person who (believe it or not) cannot fully grasp or realize that these women HAVE has these surgeries. They are capitalist greedy people who have commodified their bodies to sell. It’s sad and horrible that the kids were brought up into that (Kylie and Kendall) but you really seem to be ignoring the actual damage and issues they do cause. It’s deeper than “they got plastic surgery because they’re insecure”. It involves classism, sexism, capitalism, racism etc. and I don’t think this video comes even close to addressing or understanding any of that.
Yes this is a great point. Folks are entitled to do what they want. But they lie/exploit our ignorance for a profit. They have a skincare line when they have access to the best doctors and skincare treatments.
No matter what others say you should always love yourself 💗 and take a note never criticize anyone for their looks like never and love yourself the way you are 💝
i also used to be insecure about my big ears and round face but my mom told me roundness is good luck in chinese culture (im from hong kong) 😂 my boyfriend also makes fun of my big face and i tell him he has more pretty surface to look at 😌
Just wanted to say that I discovered your channel like 2 days ago and watched already a lot of your videos… and I never found someone online saying exactly what i think !! I agree with you on every videos ! Thanks for spreading positivity and your opinions !
I think its because they perpetuated a sterotype of looks based on mainly but not black brown and native bodytypes. Its the fact you dont get to break someones legs and then cry stop when someone picks up a crowbar on yours. She is a grown woman who knew what she was doing. Her lies, decit, the many horrible, and dangerous business ventures shes been apart of. She capitalized on insecurities that women and girls have. Holding someone accountable its decided based on likeability or mid 20s develping amygdala. They make their empire based on issues and instances that many women have been through. With all of thay money the education was never there. She doesnt try to change she changes for relevancy. Noone cares what she changed about herself. Its isnt our business, but using such a controversial and problematic person isnt going to change the fact noone is going to listen to a person when they form their body, life and empire on the backs of others while then trying to become the "body positve" one of the bunch to become more relevant is just what they want. Acknowledge what they did. Used womens hardships and issues to lie and build businesses off of womens struggles and patriarchal, societal, preferential, cultural, and religious constructs. You want change in the world then okay. Acknowledge it then. Stop giving a wolf a bone as if they wont tear off your face.
It is true that we rarely think of how much pressure these celebrities get from us, viewers. It's an interesting point of view, and I really like your definition of confidence. Also, love your outfit!!
tbh people are never happy with anything and any decision you make will be judged by someone all the time. Many people see this procedures as a way to completely change oneself overall and it is surprising how many small tweaks that go unnoticed happen in people around you and you will never notice it. I am okay with plastic surgery but I am not a fan of the way the Kardashians and many famous people have abused from it and passed it as natural processes of the body. It just makes the conversation more difficult overall in my opinion...
in germany confidence is called "Selbstbewusstsein", self consciousness in english. i think thats actually a beautiful way to think about confidence as knowing yourself well!
bro you know why your vids are so amazing and why you're growing... cause you're doing something that I don't see a lot of people do - making in-depth documentaries of internet controversies that get fanned on tiktok exploring SO MANY different perspectives. The debates are always so well analysed and developed. LOVE what you do always. - a fan before one mil
I agree with you should do what makes you happy but the thing that I feel like everyone feels deep down in there heart is that they don’t want there kids to have to go get plastic surgery or starve themselves just for them to be “happy” it’s sad that we as a society feel the that we have to look a certain way just to be happy..like why can’t we just worry about what in life makes us happy not the way we look. I’m all for people who want to do whatever with there body I just think it’s sad that this is what makes people “happy” we have to contort our bodies into something that we are not just to be happy.
Have you noticed that on Western media people are showing EITHER how insecure they are, OR how confident they are? Either "I hate myself and have 19372873 insecurities", or rbf "I don't care about your opinion". It looks like you're acting overly careless to PROVE how careless you are, so you still very much revolve around other people. You just put on an intimidating mask. It is very good (although rare) to see the golden medium! When someone isn't too fearful, but also doesn't overcompensate by acting tough and Queen of Universe, staying empathetic and responsive. Such neutral things don't tend to blow up, unlike the extremes.
I think it’s because the golden medium doesn’t garner as much attention as these extremes. It’s a sad reality, but does show the unhealthiness in the media. Finding this golden medium, is easier for some and harder for others, and when doing self improvement it’s easy to almost seesaw into self love and then self hate ( it’s like an endless cycle). But I think once we have more empathy for ourselves, that it’s okay to have bad days and not be so tough all the time, that’s when we really begin to make change in our lives. 🤍 happy to find someone else that sees this polarizing reality.
This!!! Thank you so much for sharing this!! I don't see anything wrong with being confident, loving yourself and showing it proudly to the world. That should be inspiring to us, not cause envy or jealousy
Also people who have naturally big bu*t or bo*bs gets criticised for getting surgery like i have this girl in my neighbourhood that was telling me how her female university class fellows thinks she got a bbl when she never did which is true we have been neighbours since forever , literally grew up together but some girls are really harsh on her
I don't mind plastic surgery, but when you are a Kardashian and you lie about it to so many young fans, and then sell products to look more "like them" when it's obviously surgery it is a problem for me.
How does Kylie say she was confident when she said that her thin lips made her very self conscious! She even lied about it and said she used a lip liner. Then in one year she has these big o boobs and diaper butt! Without being pregnant. Why not be real and say”The rapper boyfriend I want is attracted to big lips,boobs and butt” because that was the reason. She wasnt confident in herself to think that such a person would want her with her thin lips,athletic body and regular length hair. Why does she photoshop every little thing when she doesn’t have to. I like Kylie. I always have but I’m sick of this family not being real about their reasons for plastic surgery. It all has to do with men! There is no female empowerment here. I know a lot of women who have had boob jobs and some BBL’s. They all regret it especially after having a baby. They don’t have the money to reverse it.
She looked natural and healthy before surgery. More wifey material. All she had to do was do the hard work of exercising and staying fit. It's a long term commitment that simultaneously builds confidence and mental resilience. If only girls had loving mothers and supportive, encouraging sisters to teach them to love the body and face they are born with and PUT IN THE HARD WORK to earn your feminine beauty. Beauty and health is earned through consistent effort. It is valuable in human society, so if you want it, do what it takes to earn it. No shortcuts.
Honestly I’ve already decided for myself that I’ll get plastic surgery in the future. I will slim my face or just reduce my puffy cheeks. They have made me insecure ever since 1st grade and I could never feel pretty with them. I’m doing it so I can finally feel better about myself and be happier
Everyone wants to be the best version of themselves so I’d say that’s pretty normal. Just don’t be too hard on yourself for not being perfect, everyone makes mistakes and everyone has some sort of flaw about themselves. Just be yourself and work on making you happy because that’s what really matters!
Yes ofc it is! I think all teenagers should strive to learn and grow to become the best version of themselves. However my suggestion, is that you really know what your goals are, so that you can focus on content that’ll actually help you.
And like the others said: it is very vital to focus on yourself/goals and create a routine that’s catered to your needs. Because not every tip or word of advice that you get on the internet will work for you! Best of luck 👍🏽
I don't have anything against makeup. Or cosmetic surgeries. But I personally don't feel the need to get surgery. Makeup? Sure, I just lack knowledge of it & actually envy girls who make it seem so easy, that's a talent for sure. Tho yes I would say, claiming to have "natural" beauty while having fillers... yeah that's plain fake. That's what I hate. You don't have to hide that you did some things artificially to get the desired beauty yk? Nobody would shame you, they'd just be surprised, and that's valid because honestly any surgery is dangerous & might have it's own fair share of side effects- cosmetic surgery being one. I heard there's lots of side effects to the filler/botox surgeries, so knowing these, personally I won't really go out of my way to get these surgeries done on me but I can see why celebs like Kylie would end up having these surgeries. I just sometimes feel sad that they had to change themselves sm, putting their lives on a pedestal. Let them live, for they too are normal human beings like us
I make wieiad videos as a model. A lot of people tell me I don’t look like a model but the truth is just that I’m not wearing makeup in my videos. People forget what real beauty looks like. Luckily, I’m mature for my age, 15, and can understand that people have no clue what is real anymore. I’m ok showing that no one wakes up looking perfect and it’s ok to not be glam all the time. Models don’t even look like their photos. Including me 😂. Being confident with your bare face is important because it is YOU!!! Sorry for the long writing but I wanted to share my perspective.❤❤❤
i get it, but there are certain things about myself that i've been trying to accept since i was in elementary school. i just can't do it because i hate them so much. i can't even live a normal life because of it. i haven't gone swimming in seven years, i havent worn short sleeves other than to work out. i havent worn shorts since i was eight years old. i've lost so much weight, but that doesn't fix some of the things i hate about myself. i can never be happy until i get plastic surgery
...or it could be access and affordability? Given what’s happened over the past few years, it might be quite difficult watching people spend on ‘luxuries’ when many struggle to afford ‘necessities’. So it might be less jealousy of the result, and more jealousy of the opportunity?
Why is their fall back “ it’s not plastic surgery “ like yes Botox and fillers ARE the new plastic surgery, so all these celebs should stop saying it like the public is stupid or if it really is that much better , like sis you have a whole new face!
They are a flex but at the same time they have always been judged, the difference is that now we have social media to talk about both sides of the coin
Nah I’m sorry but her best mate who’s a man has the same body type exactly like kylie. She’s only drip feeding everyone about lip fillers and a boob job when she’s had so much more. It’s a pr tactic, she’s trying to be relatable but in reality she’s telling us 20% and leaving out the rest.
They were all after money. Kardashians were always like.....it worked for kim it will also work for me. This was their biggest insecurity and they will never accept this!
I’m a new subscriber and I’m wondering, did you have any loose skin once you lost 30 something pounds? Because I’m wanting to lose weight and one of my friends is saying that “you’ll have loose skin, you absolutely regret it, you’ll want to be bigger again, etc etc…”
Her insecurity is age..ya know if a person speak about smth badly so much they don't hate it they hate themselves she said 25 is 30 bc she was less than 25 then when she is ya know at age now...guess what
I just don’t like men and women who project that on me. Like do you, I’m glad you feel beautiful, a lot of women carry these surgeries well, when they can afford it safely. But people please don’t project that on me, I’m really confident in myself, I shouldn’t have to defend that to people. If you don’t find me attractive, fine, why do we have to have a conversation about it if we aren’t pursuing each other? I agree with your take though, shit is rough.
I love the irony of the girl with a giant nose-ring ranting about how much she hates people altering their faces 😂 The most judgemental people are the “body positivity” movement, which is why Lizzo’s hypocrisy is not surprising. Gross, but not surprising.
I'm going to go ahead and say that if you are willing to undergo a medically unnecessary invasive surgery to change to appear slightly more attractive, especially if inspired by a current trend, then you care like...a bit too much. I don't blame you but I'm not going to act like it's normal and it certainly shouldn't be encouraged.
I don’t think plastic surgery is as big as a threat now that we have AI models, and everyone thinking they’re 10 and real. I’m sure everyone would get something done if they had the $$/time off…
Getting plastic surgery is okay only if you want to and after learning about all the risks that comes with it. Since children are always looking upto other people on social media, it's important for people to admit that they've done plastic surgery so that children won't feel insecure while growing up. Practice self care and say affirmations since the world out there keeps telling us that we aren't perfect and we unconsciously have started to believe it. So stay healthy, happy and safe❤
Confidence is frowned upon ONLY for women. You said "mainly" or "especially" for women, nope only for women. We have to be humble, small, insecure to be "correct" or desirable
Kylie is undoubtedly naturally gorgeous and it’s good to see her open up more about her procedures. Remember guys- trends come and go but confidence is always in style🤍
you couldn't pay me money to look that cheap. no offense.
Wow I’m second ❤🎉
I used to think plastic surgery was super super rare😅
Me too & hearing that young girls are getting into it is so alarming!😢
Right! Now girls I went to high school with are getting surgery. It's wild!
But now natural people is super super rare😅
@@Su_120h not really
@@MariSan-cz2nh i think not
To be honest, I don't exactly blame Kylie for everything that happened because she was a literal child when the reality show aired...and so she spent her whole life, and childhood under cameras and people who judged her, so maybe all the pressure she was put throught it's the one we should blame, and not attack her without remembering what led her to that decision in the first place...which in this case was the media, the public and even her own family :(
@@lharenai True! I totally agree with ya! I was talking about the part of understanding, not the one of exactly forgiving or agreeing with her actions because they are still bad…
The person I blame the most is her mom Kris jenner
Insecurity starts when other people point it out just like Kylie's experience. I too wasn't even insecure about my teeth before but when my mom started to point it out, it became my goal to fix it.
i didn't even notice it was crooked and ugly until she pointed it out and now I'm insecure as hell
True
I’m a 14 year old Indian girl who lives abroad and I use to be really insecure about having brown skin my own friends made fun of me for having brown skin but I’ve learn to love my skin color , I’m still insecure about a lot of things about myself but I’ll try to be proud of my insecurities!! Thank youuu I love you Zoe 🫶🏻🫶🏻
Please don't be insecure about your skin color. As a girl with a light skin I'm telling you brown skin is HOT HOT AND HOT
I noticed when she had her daughter she started to reverse most of what she did people forget she’s only today 26 not to long ago she was a little girl that was shamed by society and her family for being ugly
I'm not from the US, and honestly, it feels like this is almost an American obsession with being confident and loving yourself more than anything and anyone. it seems very self-centered! I totally agree that confidence is amazing and we should aim for it, but being obsessed with it takes it to the "arrogant" side.
What was left out of the picture: A lot of beauty "enhancing"
surgeries are serious medical procedures. For example, the brazilian butt lift (mortality rate one in 2,351 to one in 6,241) to name one of the worst. It is not okay as a person with influence (especially on young, insecure girls) to present it like a walk in the park. Plastic surgery is NOT like changing your hair color. It is a risk and can change your life in ways you didnt expect.
Calling plastic surgery beauty enhancement is a bit much... Using makeup, clothing, even hairstyles to enhance your best features is beauty enhancement, cause it just works with whatever you have to make it look the best, without taking away or adding anything. And it's no permanent change either. Plastic surgery, on the other hand, changes your body permanently, hence not enhancing it but transforming it.
@@kyrak.4143 it was honestly the first time I was so surprised by Zoe's opinion
Unless it's fillers. They don't change permanently
@@chewy9936 not permanently but still a long term transformation, doesn't come off with makeup remover or a shower
@@Eniramoi Yeah I gotta say, this take combined with her take on Temu just seem off to me. Saying that plastic surgery is shamed because of jealouscy?! I mean, come on. Its not about that, its about pretending to be all natural but actually undergoing surgery. It creates wrong expectations for women in our society. I get the struggle of the kardashians but they are feeding into the circle.
it does honestly depend on the type of surgery. i saw a tiktok about a woman winning a korean mommy makeover (not the american kind) and they really just enhanced her natural features and gave her a more youthful look yet she still looked almost exactly like herself beforehand. plastic surgery culture in korea is obviously very different to the american
that being said i don't like the kardashians and while i can feel sympathy for them feeling like they have to permanently change how they look this whole kylie "taking accountability" for their influence on todays beauty standards seems incredibly fake and just a way to get people to dislike the kardashians/jenners less
ofc we change our bodies by getting cosmetic procedures because we accept ourselves🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺
what an odd way of thinking
all of us think that we're ugly bare faced but we are comparing ourselves to people with makeup on , lastic surgery and beauty support by their companies
I'm always bare faced and I don't think I'm ugly 🤷♀️ but then again I have no interest in wearing makeup, though I enjoy watching the artistry of it. Actually I prefer the fresh, bare face look on people.
I didn't care about my nose or chin or jawline until my mom commented on them when I was 12/13. She also commented about my weight (I was a healthy weight, she told me I'd gained weight) and that really affected me too.
No matter what others say, our families affects us the most and thats really sad that most of the parents doing it without even realizing. My brothers and my mom was saying "haha look at that belly" type of things when i was 5 and even tho i didnt get body shamed at school or any other place, i was always trying to hide my belly without realizing. I wish all the parents can understand how much power they have on their child's body/beauty images...
Natural beauty is a reliable marker of fit genes. That is why we are evolutionarily mistrustful of "fake" beauty. Also, the fear of the "uncanny valley" is another subconscious reason fake beauty is seen as untrustworthy.
“If the women who “chose” to get plastic surgery had never suffered the constant bombardment of beauty standards, would they ever had “chosen” to get plastic surgery at all? Is it really a choice if the reason you do it is because society makes you feel like your natural self is inadequate, therefore making you unworthy of respect?”
Not to mention how people who get plastic surgery may feel personally happy and empowered, but everyone else just feels shitty. Like, nearly every girl who gets a nose job has a big nose just like me, really feels like a slap in the face. I get that this is all about them, but we seriously need to consider the impact our actions have on society as a whole
This. I didn't agree when Zoe said that people do plastic surgery to enhance their beauty.
Feels like saying only certain features are beautiful when each of them have it's own charm to me.
Like big ass nose for example, it's giving charisma.
@@SuzutheoneI love me some big noses, some ethnic noses, a nose that is the same as the one of your parents or grandparents and so on, noses that were perfectly normal until capitalism came to tell people : plastic surgery is empowerment, go ahead, give us your money.
@@CarolaTesla Real
Yea, I haven’t finished the video yet but kinda disappointing what she’s said far. Doesn’t seem like a very nuanced take
I don't think someone making a decision about their body has anything to do with you. Nor does that person have a responsibility to think about how you'll fell. Nor do they need to take permission from you for it.
No features are ugly and we really need to learn to accept our uniqueness. BUT some people who are unable to, are well within their right to do whatever makes them feel better.
Hey Zoe!
First off, I am fan of your work; You're content, presentation, and community you built is genuine and amazing! As much as I enjoyed this video, I'm going to heavily disagree here. (Please note: that I am a cis-het Latine man. I only have experiences as such, and I am not speaking for nor of the experiencies of BIPOC women/ women identifying folks.) There is a major point that you missed; especially when it comes to discussing the Kardashians. That is the beauty "Standard" They influence and brought upon to the mainstream, was entirely and primarily appropriated by Black and Brown women. Granted, as you have stated everyone has different bodies, features, etc. Black and Brown women are no exception, yet when the spotlight is focused on them, it is primarily focused on their bodies i.e: curvy bodies, full lips, slim waist, big booty, etc. The appropriation goes beyond the literal and physical bodies. From the choice of partners, fashion, hairstyles, make-up styles , et all. Plenty of other content creators here have pointed it out and gone in depth such as: @Kadijha Mbowe, @Tee Noir, @Fab Socialism, @Mina Le and more. All this to say, that while yes, we should not judge nor ostracize people who get/receive cosmetic surgery (especially if it is their own choice). The Kardashians are both the exception AND the rule. Especially considering, how their influence has had an impact in the current popular culture. There's plenty more, but I wholeheartedly reccommend, you watch the videos about this subject from all of the aforementioned, female/fem-identifying creators.
That being said, I still am a fan of the channel, your work, and you! I just wanted to throw in some two cents here. Keep doing what you're doing and hope you're having a wonderful week!❤ Thank you for reading if you have read this far!
I have given up when it comes to understand HOW we are supposed to look like😳???Cant we just be happy that we are well and not scaring anyone in the street🫣🥴
I’m not going to feel sorry for Kylie Jenner. Her lying about getting her boobs and ass done was gaslighting on a mass scale . For YEARSSSS. Young girls were defending her, calling it ‘pubity’, young men said she was the standard, they thought that’s what happens to girls when they become women 😂 When some of us who knew better would say no that is obvious plastic surgery…these young people would shut us down and say it’s pubity, or it’s her pregnancy. For her to flippantly come out after years of gaslighting everyone, denying surgery and just say ‘when I got my boobs done’ without any shame for what she made young people think for years, is also messed up.
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I love your videos because they really get me thinking. About my own concepts of beauty and plastic surgery. As a nurse I would never risk my life for a nose job (or any other plastic surgery). Because you can die potentially from any general anesthesia. I had to undergo multiple surgeries including an emergency surgery myself. And I was always extremely relieved to wake up again! Most likely I just have seen too much so my view is of course biased from the experiences I had. And still - everyone has to decide it for themselves. And to judge a person based on their looks - now that’s something I really don’t want to do. So you challenge me to have a closer look on my believes - and that’s great!
Your blue suit dress looks amazing!
In my opinion there’s nothing wrong with plastic surgery. As long as you’re happy that’s what matters. Thank you for making such amazing content! You actually make me more confident by making such good content so thank you!
Can we talk about Zoes outfit? I love love love it! You slay girl❤️
Her body before plastic surgery is literally goals, but that's just me. And she's definitely had a BBL. You don't from her before body to her after body with just exercise, no matter how intense and targeted.
I seriously love all of your videos! i love how outspoken you are, i really trust your opinions and beliefs about people and you have helped me become a better version of myself.
I feel like you didn’t really do any research on this video aside from your own personal opinion as it’s missing a lot nuance. Wish you talked more about how the Kardashians lie about their surgeries then sell product to obtain that. I think you forget that you’re an adult looking at these women. Not a young person who (believe it or not) cannot fully grasp or realize that these women HAVE has these surgeries. They are capitalist greedy people who have commodified their bodies to sell. It’s sad and horrible that the kids were brought up into that (Kylie and Kendall) but you really seem to be ignoring the actual damage and issues they do cause. It’s deeper than “they got plastic surgery because they’re insecure”. It involves classism, sexism, capitalism, racism etc. and I don’t think this video comes even close to addressing or understanding any of that.
Yes this is a great point. Folks are entitled to do what they want. But they lie/exploit our ignorance for a profit. They have a skincare line when they have access to the best doctors and skincare treatments.
No matter what others say you should always love yourself 💗 and take a note never criticize anyone for their looks like never and love yourself the way you are 💝
i also used to be insecure about my big ears and round face but my mom told me roundness is good luck in chinese culture (im from hong kong) 😂 my boyfriend also makes fun of my big face and i tell him he has more pretty surface to look at 😌
Just wanted to say that I discovered your channel like 2 days ago and watched already a lot of your videos… and I never found someone online saying exactly what i think !! I agree with you on every videos ! Thanks for spreading positivity and your opinions !
I think its because they perpetuated a sterotype of looks based on mainly but not black brown and native bodytypes. Its the fact you dont get to break someones legs and then cry stop when someone picks up a crowbar on yours. She is a grown woman who knew what she was doing. Her lies, decit, the many horrible, and dangerous business ventures shes been apart of. She capitalized on insecurities that women and girls have. Holding someone accountable its decided based on likeability or mid 20s develping amygdala. They make their empire based on issues and instances that many women have been through. With all of thay money the education was never there. She doesnt try to change she changes for relevancy. Noone cares what she changed about herself. Its isnt our business, but using such a controversial and problematic person isnt going to change the fact noone is going to listen to a person when they form their body, life and empire on the backs of others while then trying to become the "body positve" one of the bunch to become more relevant is just what they want. Acknowledge what they did. Used womens hardships and issues to lie and build businesses off of womens struggles and patriarchal, societal, preferential, cultural, and religious constructs. You want change in the world then okay. Acknowledge it then. Stop giving a wolf a bone as if they wont tear off your face.
It is true that we rarely think of how much pressure these celebrities get from us, viewers. It's an interesting point of view, and I really like your definition of confidence. Also, love your outfit!!
tbh people are never happy with anything and any decision you make will be judged by someone all the time. Many people see this procedures as a way to completely change oneself overall and it is surprising how many small tweaks that go unnoticed happen in people around you and you will never notice it.
I am okay with plastic surgery but I am not a fan of the way the Kardashians and many famous people have abused from it and passed it as natural processes of the body. It just makes the conversation more difficult overall in my opinion...
in germany confidence is called "Selbstbewusstsein", self consciousness in english. i think thats actually a beautiful way to think about confidence as knowing yourself well!
i ran 40 min today yeah im proud of myself 😁
Girllll... Ur outfit 🤌🤌 10/10
bro you know why your vids are so amazing and why you're growing... cause you're doing something that I don't see a lot of people do - making in-depth documentaries of internet controversies that get fanned on tiktok exploring SO MANY different perspectives. The debates are always so well analysed and developed. LOVE what you do always.
- a fan before one mil
I agree with you should do what makes you happy but the thing that I feel like everyone feels deep down in there heart is that they don’t want there kids to have to go get plastic surgery or starve themselves just for them to be “happy” it’s sad that we as a society feel the that we have to look a certain way just to be happy..like why can’t we just worry about what in life makes us happy not the way we look. I’m all for people who want to do whatever with there body I just think it’s sad that this is what makes people “happy” we have to contort our bodies into something that we are not just to be happy.
Have you noticed that on Western media people are showing EITHER how insecure they are, OR how confident they are? Either "I hate myself and have 19372873 insecurities", or rbf "I don't care about your opinion". It looks like you're acting overly careless to PROVE how careless you are, so you still very much revolve around other people. You just put on an intimidating mask.
It is very good (although rare) to see the golden medium! When someone isn't too fearful, but also doesn't overcompensate by acting tough and Queen of Universe, staying empathetic and responsive. Such neutral things don't tend to blow up, unlike the extremes.
I think it’s because the golden medium doesn’t garner as much attention as these extremes. It’s a sad reality, but does show the unhealthiness in the media. Finding this golden medium, is easier for some and harder for others, and when doing self improvement it’s easy to almost seesaw into self love and then self hate ( it’s like an endless cycle). But I think once we have more empathy for ourselves, that it’s okay to have bad days and not be so tough all the time, that’s when we really begin to make change in our lives. 🤍 happy to find someone else that sees this polarizing reality.
@@Nymphoffduty well-said!
@@affectojfgidi1246 thanks!
Beauty procedures are not just a choice, its a choice people With Money can make Safely
This!!! Thank you so much for sharing this!! I don't see anything wrong with being confident, loving yourself and showing it proudly to the world. That should be inspiring to us, not cause envy or jealousy
Also people who have naturally big bu*t or bo*bs gets criticised for getting surgery like i have this girl in my neighbourhood that was telling me how her female university class fellows thinks she got a bbl when she never did which is true we have been neighbours since forever , literally grew up together but some girls are really harsh on her
Ty for talking about this topic !!
I don't mind plastic surgery, but when you are a Kardashian and you lie about it to so many young fans, and then sell products to look more "like them" when it's obviously surgery it is a problem for me.
Fillers as in filled up with plastic.
How does Kylie say she was confident when she said that her thin lips made her very self conscious! She even lied about it and said she used a lip liner. Then in one year she has these big o boobs and diaper butt! Without being pregnant. Why not be real and say”The rapper boyfriend I want is attracted to big lips,boobs and butt” because that was the reason. She wasnt confident in herself to think that such a person would want her with her thin lips,athletic body and regular length hair. Why does she photoshop every little thing when she doesn’t have to. I like Kylie. I always have but I’m sick of this family not being real about their reasons for plastic surgery. It all has to do with men! There is no female empowerment here. I know a lot of women who have had boob jobs and some BBL’s. They all regret it especially after having a baby. They don’t have the money to reverse it.
She looked natural and healthy before surgery. More wifey material. All she had to do was do the hard work of exercising and staying fit. It's a long term commitment that simultaneously builds confidence and mental resilience. If only girls had loving mothers and supportive, encouraging sisters to teach them to love the body and face they are born with and PUT IN THE HARD WORK to earn your feminine beauty. Beauty and health is earned through consistent effort. It is valuable in human society, so if you want it, do what it takes to earn it. No shortcuts.
True something I learned after high school bc I thought I was ugly but No I was not taking care of myself
Love your videos,zoe,thank you for telling us the true about the world💖
Wake up! The queen has posted!
Honestly I’ve already decided for myself that I’ll get plastic surgery in the future. I will slim my face or just reduce my puffy cheeks. They have made me insecure ever since 1st grade and I could never feel pretty with them. I’m doing it so I can finally feel better about myself and be happier
Is it normal for a 15 year old to watch self development or becoming the best version of myself videos
Yes ❤ just don’t get obsessed with the “rules” that the videos create. Make a routine for you that suits your needs🎉
@@Fairyyy110 same age
Everyone wants to be the best version of themselves so I’d say that’s pretty normal. Just don’t be too hard on yourself for not being perfect, everyone makes mistakes and everyone has some sort of flaw about themselves. Just be yourself and work on making you happy because that’s what really matters!
Yes ofc it is! I think all teenagers should strive to learn and grow to become the best version of themselves. However my suggestion, is that you really know what your goals are, so that you can focus on content that’ll actually help you.
And like the others said: it is very vital to focus on yourself/goals and create a routine that’s catered to your needs. Because not every tip or word of advice that you get on the internet will work for you! Best of luck 👍🏽
love ur vids
I don't have anything against makeup. Or cosmetic surgeries. But I personally don't feel the need to get surgery. Makeup? Sure, I just lack knowledge of it & actually envy girls who make it seem so easy, that's a talent for sure. Tho yes I would say, claiming to have "natural" beauty while having fillers... yeah that's plain fake. That's what I hate. You don't have to hide that you did some things artificially to get the desired beauty yk? Nobody would shame you, they'd just be surprised, and that's valid because honestly any surgery is dangerous & might have it's own fair share of side effects- cosmetic surgery being one. I heard there's lots of side effects to the filler/botox surgeries, so knowing these, personally I won't really go out of my way to get these surgeries done on me but I can see why celebs like Kylie would end up having these surgeries. I just sometimes feel sad that they had to change themselves sm, putting their lives on a pedestal. Let them live, for they too are normal human beings like us
They’re just a family of narcissists, why do people copy them? Like legit stop being dumb everyone.
Perfect summery of the topic 😊
I am sorry zoe I love u but kylie was talking about her face and said that she has got fillers in her face not her body!!!
I make wieiad videos as a model. A lot of people tell me I don’t look like a model but the truth is just that I’m not wearing makeup in my videos. People forget what real beauty looks like. Luckily, I’m mature for my age, 15, and can understand that people have no clue what is real anymore. I’m ok showing that no one wakes up looking perfect and it’s ok to not be glam all the time. Models don’t even look like their photos. Including me 😂. Being confident with your bare face is important because it is YOU!!! Sorry for the long writing but I wanted to share my perspective.❤❤❤
i get it, but there are certain things about myself that i've been trying to accept since i was in elementary school. i just can't do it because i hate them so much. i can't even live a normal life because of it. i haven't gone swimming in seven years, i havent worn short sleeves other than to work out. i havent worn shorts since i was eight years old. i've lost so much weight, but that doesn't fix some of the things i hate about myself. i can never be happy until i get plastic surgery
...or it could be access and affordability? Given what’s happened over the past few years, it might be quite difficult watching people spend on ‘luxuries’ when many struggle to afford ‘necessities’. So it might be less jealousy of the result, and more jealousy of the opportunity?
Thank you queen!
Why is their fall back “ it’s not plastic surgery “ like yes Botox and fillers ARE the new plastic surgery, so all these celebs should stop saying it like the public is stupid or if it really is that much better , like sis you have a whole new face!
Such a beautiful video ❤
I thought cosmetic procedures are now a flex so it’s back to being shameful again?
They are a flex but at the same time they have always been judged, the difference is that now we have social media to talk about both sides of the coin
zoe, i'd love a podcast from you on spotify btw!
“Pretend to have insecurities to fit in” people are crazy for attention Godamn 😭
wow is it the kardashians' turn again?
btw zoe your outfit is just really cool :))
Eating McDonald's and watching Zoeunlimited is the best thing
Nah I’m sorry but her best mate who’s a man has the same body type exactly like kylie. She’s only drip feeding everyone about lip fillers and a boob job when she’s had so much more. It’s a pr tactic, she’s trying to be relatable but in reality she’s telling us 20% and leaving out the rest.
nothing is permanent except zoe getting disturbed by the stupid noises 🤪
she kinda real for that
They were all after money. Kardashians were always like.....it worked for kim it will also work for me.
This was their biggest insecurity and they will never accept this!
I’m a new subscriber and I’m wondering, did you have any loose skin once you lost 30 something pounds? Because I’m wanting to lose weight and one of my friends is saying that “you’ll have loose skin, you absolutely regret it, you’ll want to be bigger again, etc etc…”
Her insecurity is age..ya know if a person speak about smth badly so much they don't hate it they hate themselves she said 25 is 30 bc she was less than 25 then when she is ya know at age now...guess what
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I just don’t like men and women who project that on me. Like do you, I’m glad you feel beautiful, a lot of women carry these surgeries well, when they can afford it safely. But people please don’t project that on me, I’m really confident in myself, I shouldn’t have to defend that to people. If you don’t find me attractive, fine, why do we have to have a conversation about it if we aren’t pursuing each other?
I agree with your take though, shit is rough.
I love the irony of the girl with a giant nose-ring ranting about how much she hates people altering their faces 😂
The most judgemental people are the “body positivity” movement, which is why Lizzo’s hypocrisy is not surprising. Gross, but not surprising.
wait what happens to kylies skeleton 💀is there just going to be fillers on her skull???????
They cookin u and ur hypocrisy on here and twitter btw
Why not customize and tweak your avatar if you want to and can afford to do it safely?
exactly! and if it will make you happy the why not
Lying about it being natural is just cruel when its not how a human being should look.
So sick of people talking about what you look like. Arghhhh
Y think pointing her insecuring is better
I'm going to go ahead and say that if you are willing to undergo a medically unnecessary invasive surgery to change to appear slightly more attractive, especially if inspired by a current trend, then you care like...a bit too much. I don't blame you but I'm not going to act like it's normal and it certainly shouldn't be encouraged.
girl why are you so far away lol
I am a guy and I don’t think anything is wrong with ps. Why are people so obsessed and mad with ps.?? Just don’t lie about it.
yeah I think people are mad because she lies, and she has a great influence on young people so it is bad it that perspective
I say you're too cute
I don’t think plastic surgery is as big as a threat now that we have AI models, and everyone thinking they’re 10 and real.
I’m sure everyone would get something done if they had the $$/time off…
I know you probably won't see this, but tell us what do you think about the covid vaxx, please😅
Getting plastic surgery is okay only if you want to and after learning about all the risks that comes with it. Since children are always looking upto other people on social media, it's important for people to admit that they've done plastic surgery so that children won't feel insecure while growing up. Practice self care and say affirmations since the world out there keeps telling us that we aren't perfect and we unconsciously have started to believe it. So stay healthy, happy and safe❤
Confidence is frowned upon ONLY for women. You said "mainly" or "especially" for women, nope only for women. We have to be humble, small, insecure to be "correct" or desirable
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Every time I see myself in the mirror with a towel on my head after a shower, it makes me want some kind of eye lift :/
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you didn't loose "a bunch of weight" ... ZOE Come on...
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I think its hypocritical that you post bodypositivity videos but you also post ”how to lose weight,fat and ugly”🤦🏼♀️
Body positivity doesn't mean staying overweight, wtf is wrong with people.
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Lol,i thought,i was first😂