Why do prices vary so much for detailing products?
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Human vs Car again this week with a look at dressings.
Carpro PERL
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Gyeon Preserve
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DIY DETAIL Interior Ceramic
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303 Aerospace Protectant
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Soft99 Luxury Leather (interior dressing)
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Autoglym Vinyl and Rubber Care
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Koch TS Top Star
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Meguiars Ultimate Interior Shine Protectant
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Turtle Wax Hybrid Solutions Graphene Acrylic Inside Job
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Carbon Collective Nuovo SiO2 Interior Detailer
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Well said.
Yup. For sure.
Nobody is holding a gun to your head are they?
@@mrw2941 nope but when people are paid shills and don't tell you how it really is you can get duped by the marketing claims. Thanks to this channel we get to see the truth or at least honest opinions 😆
I find with detailing products, high price doesnt mean high performance. Alot of it is branding and marketing.
Bilt hamber shows alot of them up, outstanding performance, reasonable price, no ads, no influencers pushing it on TikTok etc
Love your videos bro 👊
I agree, BH products simply sell themselves based on the quality of the chemicals, and because their packaging is so simple, no money is wasted on marketing and design.
Personally I couldn't give two shytes what the bottle looks like.
I got some BH products now, and I will probably get some more when the other brands' bottles are empty
You'd be naive to think BH doesn't do any influencer, marketing activites, paid reviews, etc. All these brands do that.
@@zustroy Give me some examples please.
Really enjoying this channel again after a few years away from it. For the normal bloke who enjoys detailing!
Much appreciated!
Lots to coment on. Firstly DO NOT HANG UP YOUR DETAILING BOOTS!!! 😅. We need you Jon! There will always be new brands and chemistry to test and mull over, so your mega testing will always be pertinent! I think most of these brands make some all round great products generally, I think we're in a good place to be in with a great bunch of products to suit everyones needs and budgets. I've used a good few of those products like 303, Carpro, Autoglym and DIY. All of them have a place and generally happy with each.
I do however have a favorite which is the DIY interior ceramic, despite the cost its a proper ceramic coating that is lasting very well. It gives a darkening effect and makes dirt and dust removal very simple. I pulled the trigger on that one because of ease of maintenance cleaning and protective properties that it has such as the UV protection that ceramics give and the abilities to reject straining and soiling. Applied once and you could maintain it with soapy water if you like and dry it off. I use Carpro interior detailer as it smells amazing and plays well with DIY. I use 303 on my missus MX-5 as she's always tarting around with the roof open and a quick wipe around with 303 gives it a bit of a glossy finish with a good dose of UV protection (allegedly) i dont know how to see UV working, I guess time will tell. Carpro PERL- I'll put my hands upas say ive only used it as an engine bay dressing, and I've not used it on interior plastic trims. Autoglym, I used years ago, I can't quite remember what is was like, I think it was greasy when Applied and had to knock it back with another towel to tone it down to a finish that I preferred which is a dry satin look. Subtlety detailed look is the effect I like, but I think that's a personal thing.
It has to end at some point. But you tube want teenagers to be content creators it wants to give them views copying viral trends. Detailing is going the same way. Copying short format viral detailing trends that were all started here funnily enough. I speak to the creator teams at you tube but they are not interested in niche creators. They invite the trend copying channels onto there shows as example of good creators but they are nasty kids that copy. Even their new creator tools are there to help you discover what you audiences watches so you can copy it. It's a low level platform for non creative people now.
@ForensicDetailing Social media has lost its mind if they want to promote short crappy copy-cut-n-paste teenage content reposters. It just seems like a race to the bottom. At that point I shall switch off. Maybe, if you were to keep plugging away you'll be the only one left making quality content and then cleaning up as you'll be the niche channel left
Even for a weekend warrior doing only their own car once a week 9:00 a product costing upwards of £40 a litre would need to be something miraculous to justify buying ...it's certainly never going to make it into a business use scenario unless your charging obscene amounts of money for a full detail of the exterior and interior
Hi, Jon. Great video.👍 price is very important to me. Things like shampoos and APCs that I get through alot in the course of detailing my cars need to be cost effective. That is why I am a massive fan of Bilt Hamber's products. Not only are they good quality, they are cost effective by virtue of being able to buy their products in a concentrate and larger fill sizes, too.
I suggest doing another one of these, but with the permanent kind like DIY Detail over carpet + spilling water because that's the real reason I've applied interior ceramic to my car
Waiting on ur test with collinite beadcoat vs other sealants John. Im all excited! 😂
Coming soon.
The only reason that I watch this channel, and no other "detailing" channels, is that you are up front and honest about the conditions of your tests. Also you try to put some science behind it all, even if it's sort of made up, but you treat all products the same and go through proper testing to compare. Most other channels go "I've been sent this product by XYZ and let's see how it goes", proceed to use £150quids worth of products when a 10th of it would have been enough, then go "Really good stuff from XYZ, thank you for watching". You also are happy to say "There's a better product for 3x the price, but to be honest, this is as good as you need really". You also call out products when they make stupid claims or things they can't achieve.
appreciate it mate. The initial reason for doing group tests was for me to see exactly what was B-S and what was good. value has always been important. its an industry saturated with brands all trying to get your business but brands often neglect being competative on price. Or another way to say this, some brands are not able to give value because they are reliant on manufacturer prices. I always try and make 'value' something thats very important if your going to win. A lot of the other tests can fall into preference or insignificant differences. But if we are consistent with rewarding value it provides a much more stable foundation for the rest of the tests to build on. Most of the reviews I see dont even talk about price or attempt to provide you with some other established offerings so you can place the product within the market. also you tube does not like critism. you tube favours hype. positive videos will get higher CPM (more money basically) and attract better relevent advertising through you tube and higher views. I can also make more money reviewing individual products and recomending them all and generate better commission and views. doing tests that loose money like this is not finanically that viable. it really depends on geography as well. UK is a different audience to USA or even european. The brits hate B-S with a passion. where as the american market almost embraces the BS and wants to be sold something. But my biggest challenge nowadays is the algorythms are killing slow long format content. you tube is fighting tiktok to get the teenagers on their smart phones on board. So viral trend content is getting millions of views and niche content like this is getting nothing. Id make more money pretending Ive discovered a secret room under my stairs or doing an "I only ate blue food" for a month junk content. its fast becoming a garbage platform.
@@ForensicDetailing here here! Sadly the lack of peoples attention span is ruining lots of things! Good luck with it all, you offer some really sage advice, but of course, you've got to make ends meet.
100% with you - and if it ain't got UV protection - forget it.
Personally I do not rely on these products for UV protection! I value the feel and finish, then let the window tint do the protecting.
I find we need videos like this to help us chose the right product and get value for money because everting is so expensive .
Carpro Perlis a great product and i have started using it since i watched a video you made .
Maguires etc are made for a different market
Dont think Koch is ever going to be on the shelves of Halfords as its made for the market that knows what its after
Love your videos, bought some fantastic products based on your results and always impressed with the results. One thing i look for in a product for dashboard/ interior is the smell, meguires do a dashboard UV protectorant with shine BUT it has a new car scent which smells amazing. Be interested to hear your thoughts on the meguires you picked.
This will be an interesting test! It includes 5 products I've used, 2 of which are staple go to products for me, both excellent but used on different surfaces! I'll not say which just yet! The 3rd one I use which isn't in this list is KKD Trim x. Great channel, please dont wrap it up anytime soon!
My current interior cleaning is the one that Autobrite make, it smells great, gives a great matte finish.
Great videos, thank you, they are my daily fix. Im a novice at cleaning my cars, i started with meguires kit, now im on autoglym as i cant justify paying nearly £10 more a bottle in halfords for meguires. Im enjoying autoglym at the moment as its easy for me to grab in halfords
Jon, I have used some of these products, here are my thoughts, if you or your viewers care? As far as US cost here in the States, DIY is a true ceramic coating and Yvan said if used on an area that will never be touched, like the dash, it will last forever, cost $50. 303 recommends to reapply every 4 or 5 weeks, Megs is very reasonable priced @ $25 per gallon, cleans & protects.
We dont justify the chemical cost. We just provide it. The performance testing tries to do this. I know what the chemical cost is of that bottle and I can assure you the margin being made is extreme and the value proposition stacks in favour of the brand. Also if this material does not come off there are implications to refinishing if required. It's a good product but it won't sell well in the UK at this price. Same for these sponges they are trying to sell for 30 quid I think the clay towel is 37 quid. UK is different market to USA. It's a Cynical market that is price consciousness. You risk your reputation if you go crazy on the price.
Rather than average, you are looking for the truncated mean (trimmed mean) price, its quite common to remove the lowest and highest numbers and disregard them, then work out the average. Gives a more true average and less squwed by the outliers.
love it. Id heard of mean model and medium but not truncated mean. thank you my friend thats my new thing learnt for the day.
Least I can do, you teach me so much everyday! @@ForensicDetailing
Bilt Hamber just keeps delivering! Their QD (diluted) is my go-to interior wipe over.
What ratio do you use QD at? I’m using Pol Star as I can use it on leather seats to safely clean them.
I guess some think if its expensive it must be better - I fell for that with Zymol.
You are doing gods work man
Top Star is five star.
I'd be interested to know which products in the line up are claiming to have anti-static properties.
Re DIY Detail - why compare their ceramic coating against non ceramic dressings when DIY have an interior dressing product? Amount of product used per app is also relevant. Some products such as DIY Detail use tiny amounts….
To make the line up more interesting. To see if the high price is worth it, if there's any performance etc... to compare... This is the very essence of what makes a test interesting. DIY normal dressing would not make the cut, this one is here because it's interesting. Diy detail products are very expensive period. That tiny amount thing applies to all of them. The atomic dressing is the same deal and you use tiny amounts.
But you can't compare it. Non comparable.
@@ForensicDetailing I get that but the longevity of a regular dressing v a ceramic dressing is normally comparable….Apples & oranges? A comparison of multiple ceramic interior products would be also interesting.
Price can be a relevant detail (or not) depending on if you are a business, on a budget, work horse or if it’s your Sunday pride and joy. Keep doing your thorough methodology John, pecan then pick whats important to them… a lot of other reviews are totally opinion based on the reviewers importance levers which may or may not be similar to the viewers.
Certainly some of the US detailing based RUclipsrs have lost all relevance in reality, totally opinion based, rule out products ‘just because’ with out trying, push products because thats what they sell and negative to others they don’t and the stuff they push is biased to the expensive on the provisos that money equals quality. They also rubbish products because they don’t like them based on their style… I note Hex lighting is getting a lot of negativity… just because something isn’t for you doesn’t mean you should so vocally try and destroy a company or product.
Thx m8. It takes time and costs money to do these tests. Most other channels are not in a position or are not doing you tube to loose money which is fine. But yer I'm not a massive fan of the integrity of usa detailing channels. UK audience is much more sceptical and does not like being Sold to. USA audience is used to the hard sale
I always love the price comparison, interesting info very cool, they inform my purchases.
25:00 A glossy dashboard will reflect more in the windscreen and can be distracting when driving. When I clean my dash I wipe it down with Surfex-HD @ 4% on a microfiber cloth. It leaves a matte dash that will reduce glare and improve visibility.
Something that was said about the difference of a APC and a interior protection product, one was positively charged and one was negative..APC attract dust which on the case of surfex much as its a great cleaner it does attract dust
@@derekregan6926yeah Surfex needs to be used at 1-2% for interiors but the big issue is the film it leaves behind which isn’t always ideal. QD would be better IMO.
@derekregan6926 I did not know that APCs attract dust, thats good to know as @kwl189 mentiones using an QD might be better. I agree that 4% is a little high but I found it to be the most useful all round dilution.
I might pickup a spare spray bottle and make an interior specific dilution. I have some Auto-QD in the garage, do you know a good dilution for plastic trim that won't add glossiness?
@@FiestyFez Not sure about Koch Greenstar tbh but in the real world, it is similar to Surfex HD but will foam up nicer. I’m not too sure about what ratio to use an interior detailer. It might be 1:20 as per BH website. I would pop an email off to Pete Hamber through their website. He comes back to you pretty quickly and you’ll have a definitive answer from the people that make the products.
I think price is very important indeed. I would not consider paying £99 per litre for any car detailing product. In the test your in the middle of, the most expensive product is 30 times more expensive than the lowest priced product on test. For sure it will not be 30 times better. Detailing for me is just a hobby an interest. I look after 3 cars of family members and use Meguiars quick interior detailer and love it, don't like the shiny finish products either. IMO if you stick with a good named brand that is'nt ridiculously expensive or bargain bucket, middle of the road, you will get what you pay for and enjoy the wonderful hobby of car detailing
Yer for me I need independent testing to verify product claims when there is that huge price tag.
Koch Chemie ASC is my go to interior product!!!
Hey man thanks for this.
I've been looking into many other things, and dude...some things that require much longer commitments have NO information online from people like you and I feel like I've no idea how my investment will turn out.
Thank you for making sure car care isn't one of those.
Glad I could help m8 thx u
When saying the concentrated ones are cheaper and so on, you should also have to take note about the hassle and cost for destilled water and for the seperate bottle you have to buy. Otherwise you do not have a product which you can use and the comparison is not fair.
Especially, the gyeon one. Nice that it comes with a sprayer, but you cant use it because you have to dilute it.
But all in all, in my opinion the price should not be part of the overall ranking. Because a higher price does not make a product worse and a low price does not make a bad product better.
dont think you have to use DI or filtered water with them. At least I dont. prolly better to though.
It would depend on your water quality. In some areas you do not want to use tap water because of quality or hardness. Mixing with DI is also the only way to be sure that the product is the same no matter where in the world you live.
Also if you want to store the diluted product for a longer time it would be better to use distilled water.
koch kemie fse is so cheap thankfully
Branding wise, i think the likes of carbon collective, angelwax etc are geared towards the detailing enthusiast rather than Joe bloggs on the street. And hence the price 😂
👍 Dimunition? maybe👀
Put it down Jon, its heavy........ 🦖🤣
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Being aggravated by price comparisons is ridiculous. I get the same when talking about computers. "I got xyz part" "Isn't that expensive for your use case?" *Angry mobster face staring at me*
It's crazy innit. I'm convinced when it happens it's people closely linked to whatever brand has the high price. But it's a no brainer arguement.
Greed makes prices vary, not quality. To a certain extent of course.
Yer margins. Chemical cost is less relevent but not irrelevant.
Prices vary cause people pay them prices if you didn’t pay it they would drop price# 😂
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