As someone who was a judoka, the dirty little secret is that guard pulling works. While we're fighting for grips and position, a 3 years BJJ player can pull guard on a blackbelt Judoka and now make everything that Judoka has trained for the last 10 years null and void. And to make matters worse a blackbelt in BJJ vs. a blackbelt in Judo can pull guard and likely ankle lock or kneebar the judoka in about 30 seconds. Its the most frustrating thing in the world to have honed your standup skills, and this A-hole just flops on the ground with a simple lapel grip and now he's working his guard and you've got to react to him taking you completely off your game plan. I hate it, it looks stupid, you want to say be a man an stand up, but the dirty secret is that ish works.
But to be fair the rules make it so. As Ramsey said, that's how it's scored. Why waste energy and dedicated practice on a takedown like double leg or uchi Mata, when a simple guard pull or even a low level ankle pick works just as good, and saves you energy. Edit: BTW I get what you're saying, I've wrestled and put a lot of effort into my throws, but it's a different sport.
Too many words to describe the feeling reading this left in my heart, but in short, without closure, all I can say is that it broke it. (That's when Garry tipped his fedora to the lady he so loved, lit a cigarette, and walked into the shadows among the alleyways, speaking a thousand words, while speaking none. The shadows were like a gate that she couldn't follow through, knowing once closed, she'd never see him again.) Perhaps not that dramatic, but pretty darn close. There's always a way to defend against someone pulling guard. It may take some drilling and practice, but don't give up. Even against black belts. If you don't take my words seriously, what I could do is try round up some guys and we could demonstrate it. Myself and a few others came from a sambo gym previously. Once we wandered into a bjj gym, we put some raw chopped up garlic in their mashed potatoes, and if they didn't like it well to bad. Maybe that's why my buddy got kicked out. No. Not because of that. The most ironic things about our training is that we all wanted to lose the jackets, and really get some no gi in. We didn't care about belt colours etc. However, when we did train in gi's, I'm sorry to say, but some of the more advanced sambo guys folded up most of the bjj players like laundry in them. Even without a kurtka, which is grip easy as we all know, a traditional gi still allows for many grips that with positioning and leverage, should give the top player an advantage. We had some of our own tricks, but if you look online, there seems to be many options for just old school bjj ne waza.
And the problem with both bjj and judo is they're not MMA If guard pulling was good then people would do in MMA, they don't because you expose too much of yourself The same situation as judo throws where you expose you back or fall together with the opponent Martial arts were once about self defense and those kinds of movements shouldn't be encouraged by the rules if we want to still meet that self defense essence alive
Takedowns in Jiu Jitsu has become a lot more common than it used to be in tournaments. As a ref and BJJ instructor one of the takedowns that is commonly being used is a cross collar drag in the Gi or double, single leg in No Gi. Many of the throws and takedowns in Wrestling or Judo will put the person doing the takedown in a position to be easily submitted.
I'm a Judoka but i gotta say that you are kinda right with your last statement. But it isn't the technique's fault! If you look at old Judo demos or randori between experts from the old times, you'll see how every throw either lands directly into one of the pinning techniques or into a submission. But Judo people do not care about practicing such a thing anymore because they "don't need it" If they land just rigt, the match ends right there regardless of you ending in a bad position, and if the throw wasn't good enough to have you win and your opponent tries to do some ground work on you (which is kinda unlikely as well) you can just stall out until you both get reseted. I dislike, i might say i hate nowdays Judo. They are butchering this precious art! The throws shouldn't have you land in bad positions!
I love the breakdown of how time management effects the extent that bjj schools tend to allocate towards takedowns. I have a backround in primary, secondary and post secondary education and consultation. Some of the highest indicators of success towards helping students develop skill proficiency at all age and skill levels include time management and how much skill practice mimics using whatever skill is being taught out in the wild. I think it's cool that you touched on these ik your video. I know the context is super different but I love all of you videos on effective instruction and coaching practices! I think I coaches that make their clients more interested in takedowns tend to have more luck including takedowns into class time, but that's based on my minimal bjj experiance. Great video!
Funny thing about "takedowns" is something I learned from the "Less impressed, more involved" channels. Takedowns seem to be more easily countered than to be engaged. And that is the experience I had with Sanda. I would have wrestlers and sambo fighters as opponents, but I would counter their throws with throws. Never felt that they had an edge over me. Yeah I did train takedowns, but not as much as them. In the channel he talked about training specific situations or scrambles that appear often in the fight game like "whizzer fights" were you don't want to have less experience in than the wrestler does. I think he also mentioned "getting up from turtling" or the turtle position in general. It definitely explains why a lot of wrestlers drop many of their takedowns in MMA fight, while at the same time you find wrestlers having it easy to adapt. It's not necessarily because of their ability to take people down, but a mastery of many aspects you would encounter in MMA that have to do with control. And they are not exclusive to wrestlers. You can practice them when you have a keen eye for what is important to dominate in the fight.
@@thehumanbackpack6374 I had good wrestlers as opponent, but you can't have them get a deep double leg or single on you. That's already way to late. They'll finish the takedown. I had my tricks, like underhooking their thighs etc, but it would end in a stalemate.
I also watched that video, and the context you're dropping is that the most often occurrence of countering takedowns occur in high level wrestling near the end of the match initiated by the person behind on points trying to get something to happen. Which is not the same as a Jiu-jitsu practitioner who happens to know a bare bones single leg for no-gi setting up a sloppy takedown and getting caught in a guillotine. Now to digress from the video... And when talking about Gi Jiu-jitsu, it becomes a guessing game as to what kind of guard your opponent wants before he pulls guard. If someone is pulling guard, the grips he'll want will be different is he's trying Dela Riva vs spider guard. So the real question is for grapplers outside of Jiu-jitsu is: What is the purpose of competing in Jiu-jitsu beyond a white belt or blue belt level? Is it for better mattwork? Is it for the love of grappling? Are you trying to develop a system? Questions abound...
@@AGuy-s5v yeah, it is an interesting question. How far do you take the subset of MMA. I would say let people dive into the niche and look at what they come up with and select things from their set. And when they say "you need this and that and that" simply as "is it really necessary though if I can do without?". At the end you need to look at what "challenge", "problem" or "goal" you want to solve or achieve. And often with those hyperfocused subset martial artists you will see that they try to avoid talking specifically to the problem or situation or that the solution ignores parts of what the challenge is. That's when you look elsewhere and get on with your life. It's about answering to challenges competently and being "well rounded" while also exposing yourself to new challenges in whatever you want to achieve.
As someone with a wrestling background I detest butt scooters, but I get it fits with the rule set. Also hate the rule that says if that guy is on the ground you have to engage, he can stand up. But yeah the rules are the rules.
Demian Maia pulled guard in many UFC fights successfully. When he started standing and tryna box boxers and wrestle wrestlers is when he started losing...the losing path most BJJ experts take in MMA. I know it's cool to say not to pull guard, but when your opponent is a better wrestler or striker with great tD defense then it's wise.
I was never BJJ, but I did Judo at my high school. Scoring was very different yet of course we did also practice Ne-waza and my coach often had us start from the knees on days he wanted to focus on it. From my personal experience, I can easily see where you are coming from. Especially when you start focusing on the "time" aspect of things. Of all gambles, I think people tend to avoid gambling their time. If something works for them and is less of a gamble, then someone will invest their energy into that instead (pulling guard is definitely safer than an a takedown since oft the best counter to a takedown is repositioning and taking advantage of the movement to do a takedown of your own in the midst of it). We didn't exactly have guard pulling do to the ruleset, but suicide throws became really popular amongst much of the class since even if you did it poorly and didn't score, you were both already on the ground and could fight for the pin instead (what they really wanted anyhow). Low risk, decent reward, good time investment.
Despite the scoring issue takedowns still have there utility. I'm an ultra-heavyweight competitor and that's a division where generally you don't want to pull guard or be the first person to go down as it more then likely will be the position you end up in for the rest of that match. Although that's not to be taken for granted it definitely makes me rather keep things standing a long as possible and getting my 2 points for a takedown. Even if it means racking up a couple of penalties. I even base my game plan on the fact that if we both get penalties, probably then the other guy will panic first and pull-guard.
I want to add my $0.02. My school offers GI classes multiple times per day and also offers a few no-GI classes per week. The evening classes tend to be packed with very little floor space. Live training in those classes starts from the ground with plenty of guard pulls due to the fact that it's too crowded to safely do any stand-up grappling. The no-Gi classes and the morning classes are usually less crowded and there's a lot more stand-up/take-down training since there's more floor space to safely do so.
In BJJ it's a great drill to do in stand up is to ban guard pulls. That way you HAVE to fight for a takedown, go for underhooks, snap downs, russian ties, arm drags and so on. I believe this should be mandatory in all BJJ gyms!
Alright... this might not even be a hot take, but imma call it one and proceed on this.. I've heared about people changing the point structure like less points for sweeps or penalizing the guard puller. I've heared of people talking about the idea of banning guard pulling.. Here's an idea, and maybe it's been talked about, but I haven't heared anyone talk about it, so here it is: If your opponent can pull guard, I see no reason why it shouldn't be allowed for you to try and disengage. And if you successfully disengage you both stand back up. We can talk about if the person who disengaged gets anything for it, points, advantages or what have you. But I think just allowing people to disengage from exclusively guard pulls is more massive than touching the points. But hey, that's just a thought.
I entered a BJJ gym this vacation as someone who used to practice judo 1-2 times a week when I was in karate. And in 5 weeks I've only had 1 class dedicated to single leg takedowns because they brought in a former wrestler to teach us that class. I'm the only white belt that tries to go methodically for a takedown that isn't that single leg takedown, and the skill gap I feel with blue belts standing up is nowhere near as the skill gap I feel once we hit the ground for x or y.
I use guard pulling on opponents that stand over their base when they’re defending throws. Using a quick guard pull in this manner allows for a sweep before I even hit the ground. It doesn’t work every time, but frequently I end up on top.
I trained BJJ for few years until other circumstances forced me to quit. I always thought that guard pulling was a bit cheap. I always understood that the rules permitted it, but to me it was always something that could only effectively exist in a sport context. I know in a actual fight I absolutely would rather throw the person and stay on my feet than willingly pull guard and go to the ground where my mobility was limited. As such I felt that the BJJ schools I've been to had ignored a very important part of the fight: the standing grappling game.
Rules are established and competitions are conducted based on that rules set. The process of practicing under these regulations leads to expertise, as the implications of each rule become clearer. Over time, the sport gets optimized according to these rules. Thus the trade off between guard pulling and takedowns occurs. When a flaw within the rules is observed, they need to be amended. In this case, once slams are permitted, the desire to pull guard will decrease significantly. The number of individuals who retain their guard when someone begins to stand for the slam also dwindles considerably. Seems a good change.
I look at martial arts from a practical fighting perspective. I was watching some recent high level BJJ competitions where the winners immediately went to sitting positions and used leg entanglements to achieve this. I did not like it. Not that long ago, I watched Ryon Gracie fight in the UFC. (I may have the name wrong) He fought that way and was destroyed.
Demian Maia pulled guard in many UFC fights successfully. When he started standing and tryna box boxers and wrestle wrestlers is when he started losing...the losing path most BJJ experts take in MMA. I know it's cool to say not to pull guard, but when your opponent is a better wrestler or striker with great tD defense then it's wise.
I really dislike warmups for BJJ. Feels like a waste of time when the technique is anyway trained in low enough pace that it works for a warm up. For wrestling classes it feels a bit different tho. I have to get my muscles worked and warmed before I can e.g. shoot for a single leg properly. And I'm not sure if going for a single leg just slower is the answer, since I am anyway moving my whole body weight and putting a lot of weight on my ankles and knees in those positions just doesn't feel good if they aren't warmed up. That said, what I still wish is that gyms just allowed you to warm up yourself or did e.g. grip wrestling or stuff for warmups. Something else than running in circles and knee-walking across the floor. I know how I effectively and quickly get my body ready in a way that suits me and the various injuries I've had.
I heard takedowns are also the biggest source for injuries. I've trained Sanda and after injuring someone I stopped practising weird or "creative throws" in a match or against the will/expectation of my training partners. It takes away from the "realness" of the takedown/exchange, but once you got some experience with fights you know where you would have to put in more power. Also you can tell your partner to resist a certain part etc. After that shift we never had any injuries from practising throws. And it didn't take away from the effectiveness, because in the end we spent more time with a particular throw and how to counter it etc. So it is possible. But you will find that different people have different motivation for martial arts and you don't know your training partner and if he even cares about getting better or simply smashing people to the ground. Doing it right takes a lot of discipline and a lot awareness, most people simply refuse to put in. And from your videos Ramsey I think you train very similar to how we did it.
yeah, throw training can cause injuries, if you're a bad training partner, but that's no excuse for avoiding learning double legs, high crotch, duck under, ankle picks, over unders, front chancery, i could go on. how do you think we do it in the wrestling room? you think we just drop the tech because it's too hard to train? so your op isn't going to be too afraid to practice throws and takedowns, but you are, who's going to win?
Takedowns are not the biggest cause of injury in BJJ, far from it. Jumping guard is. More catastrophic injuries result from jumping guard than any other technique in BJJ (and that’s IBJJF legal)
@@RamseyDewey Yeah, I remember my first lesson in BJJ. I thought "hey, I was just trying this out, no need to rip my knee bands as a participant's fee". People were pulling guards as a greetings and everything went straight at the knees with at least a part of the body weight.
@@RamseyDewey I guess guard pull is one step below the banned judo throws were you sheer the knees. While they can ruin your career a fireman's carry gone wrong or a suplex gone wrong can ruin a life.
@@deltapi8859eeeh, they can lead to some injury, but on the mat it's unlikely. I've seen people get spiked by supplexes and fireman carrys and they were mostly fine. Some got koed, but walked it off the next day. On a hard surface you're absolutely right, but mats give enough way to not break your skull or neck.
We did alot of guard passing, and defense in our sambo. Good positiong can come from a take down. My hips and knees are in way worse shape than the scooters my age though. I give them that, but i also have no regrets.
I left a club because there was a massive focus on sport's BJJ. I just didn't find it as enjoyable always starting from the knee and having guys pull guard all the time. I simply didn't engage as I trained for self defence. They are a club that metal and win tournaments so they are a busy club but just not for me.
Same. I worry sometimes that BJJ practitioners vastly overestimate their skills bc they can dominate on the mat under rules and controlled environments and once they get in a real altercation they may have little to no actual tools bc rollings round on concrete isn't exactly user friendly and yea you may pull guard and while you're going for a slick submission the other guys taken a big handful of gravel and tossed in your face, picked up a rock or something and bashed you with it, or pulled a knife and stabbed you
@@jlogan2228 Unless you actually train with armor, for street fights, and are allowed to use any techniques, EVERYONE overestimates their ability in bad situations. But people also are dumb. All they think self-defense is, is a brutal street fight, the worst of the worst. That's so much more rare than most domestic altercations, most family altercations, most party altercations, most airport altercations etc. Also, you're talking about knife fighting, in which you ARE going to get cut, but you're worried that being on the ground will be hard and uncomfortable? I really don't think you've any idea of the reality of damage and violence in the type of ruthless situations you're talking about. Also, the most common submissions, even in tournament, aren't slick submissions. Once you're a blue belt, you'll be good at the majority of realistic chokes that work well with jackets and with no clothes, you'll be good at disabling arms/shoulders/ankles etc, and you'll be good getting out from under someone and staying on top of someone, and being able to deliver punches or control from very good positions. Those things just don't work well against trained BJJ practitioners once they know your game, so you need much more advanced grappling to either set up simple submissions, or get "fancy" submissions. That's why BJJ at high level is a sport, because no one is going to easily give you anything. But if an untrained person walks off the street, even a higher level white belt can usually handle them pretty well with 1 year of training, and trust me, walk in's do some unexpected sh*t and use pure strength and sloppy movement which is always a good refresher on what untrained grapplers will try to do to you lol.
Guard pulling works and no one wants to admit it. I’ve got a very wrestling heavy style of bjj, and I wrestled in school. If I’m put in a match against a D1 All American wrestler, I’m pulling guard. It’s the only thing that would make sense in that situation.
Untrained ignorant commenters would like to tell you that BJJ sucks, and they would take down the guy that's 1 foot taller, stronger and 40 pounds heavier than them to get a dominant position.
That time to get a takedown is definitely an issue. My first submission grappling tournament match I spent two minutes before I got a head&arm and got the match to the mats. I was fighting in the unlimited class at 245, and my opponent was 3 inches shorter and 50 pounds heavier than me. It took time to get that little fire plug to the ground.
Takedowns are scary so BJJ guys don't train them. Takedowns, specifically from BJJ gyms that focus on countering guard pullers, are devastating. Schools here are starting to learn that.
that would be extreme weight cutting. Get a dagestani wrestler and a d1 wrestler of the same weight without weight-cut and they will be evenly matched..
No, I agree with you. Guard pulling completely by-passes the majority of my stand-up judo techniques. It's a powerful strategy. As a Judo competitor, it's both frustrating and humbling.
I always kind of hated the sportification of stuff. In my smooth brain opinion I feel like the moment you have a situation where you can just farm points for a win is the moment you should rethink the rules. Before my first BJJ comp they taught me the rules and how you can take a position hold in for the time, get the points, and then move to a new position and do the same. I thought it was so stupid. In striking it makes more sense so you're not farming brain damage, but in grappling? Then in Muay Thai in the clinch there were so many opportunity's for all kinds of throws and takedowns, but a lot of them are against the rules. Why only most? Why wouldn't you want to be the best fighter you can be and just go all the way? The art of eight limbs but we ignore the majority of throws and takedowns for some reason. I also never liked the concept of pulling guard, you're pulling someone into a place to be able to pull a weapon or straight up start smashing your face, or if you're butt scooting getting a knee or foot in the head. Obviously, some people are good enough to pull it and then destroy your leg before you would do any of that, but it's just the lack of care for stuff like that which bothers me if you get me. Keep in mind the guard pulling mentality is taught to a lot of people that just do it for self defense or fun. Don't even get me started on all the crazy rules for this and that like lower body submissions, if you move your foot an inch over it's a penalty, etc. I guess my biggest gripe is all of these are rooted in combat for military or civvie use, but got overly sportified and lost some of that pzazz. I don't mean in a these TechNiques KilL WOo sUPpER DanGEROUS lets leave heavily injured kind of a way crap, just in a these were created to cause bodily harm or death and we should respect the origins and learn to fight, not learn to win a tournament kind of way. I know a lot of this describes MMA, but you also never know what you are going to get by going to a local MMA class.
Pulling guard is a bullshit for who train for learning self defence in the street you cant pull guard for the hard ground and maybe the gnp of the opponent but if you takedown the opponent you can use your arsenal of control and submission
I usually attempt takedowns anyway. We drill them in my BJJ class, but when we roll, most people pull guard. I just like takedowns and throws because they're just fun.
I got scared of takedowns when I did the sloppiest wrestling shot in the world and knelt down on someone's toe. And broke it. Since then I have developed the habit of pulling bottom mount or bottom side control. Now that I plan to compete in the Ultra Heavyweight division, that is NOT acceptable. I have to learn to actually stand up with folks that, at least in my weight class, don't normally pull guard. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish we had Judo in my area as I was growing up. We didn't even have wrestling in my school system.
@@jestfullgremblim8002 if you fail a takedown, you end up in bottom side control or bottom mount. I refer to failing a takedown as "pulling" those positions to make it less embarrassing, make it seem like it was my plan all along.
"live by the takedown, die by the takedown" In my opinion, guard pulling just isn't fun at all, I'd rather lose the standup battle and get floored than getting guard pulled. 😂 (it is, of course, a high skilled and valid technique!)
Also as a former Judoka, you want to go for a throw instead of guard pulling because any good Judo dojo will teach you how to immediately transition from a successful throw into a joint lock / hold down / choke. BJJ folks cannot into being thrown, so you flip them and they'll be totally stunned and helpless
You are right if you can hit that throw, it's going to put you in an advantageous position. The problem is that BJJ does the same thing you mentioned above, if they're halfway decent they flop and start attacking your exposed knees or ankles. begrudgingly
Right, but the moment you take a grip I can just sit down. That's them rules. I mean I am not a clever man and will fight for the throw anyway even though I don't really train throws much and I suck with them but they're fun so there we go.
Well I guess sweeping is easier than throwing but so is passing guard than doing a counter throw. Not a BJJ practioner but isn't guard a 50-50 situation? One good reason for guard pulling is avoid extensive amount training needed for standing part of fighting. I would assume that is reason for some players.
Depends on the guard we're talking about, but the person on the bottom is usually in a better position for all of them! (This is only for rulesets were strikes are not allowed) How so? Well, for example, in the closed guard (the one that they usually pull) the person on top can only try to open the guard, and then pass it, which the person on bottom will try to stop from happeing by breaking their opponent's posture. Well, so the person on top has those two options, but the person on bottom can: Go for one of the many swees they know, transition into another kind of guard, work a submission (like the armbar, triangle, omoplata, guillotine and collar chokes), just hold his opponent until they gas out, etc. And that's only for the closed guard! Because in others like the X Guard, you'll get sweeped almost inmidiately unless you are pretty damn good
Closed guard is a dominant position , open guard is 50-50 until you establish connection, at which point, the person with more good grips and hooks is in the dominant position. However, good open guard players usually are very good at getting those grips and hooks and then sweeping into a dominant position or submission.
I'm not a jiu jitsu guy to be honest, but why shouldn't pulling guard count as a takedown for your opponent? I understand that the focus is on ground game, but if that's what they're looking for, then why not start at the knees? Giving up your back seems like the equivalent of foot fencing in olympic TKD to me. That would also only give your opponent two points as far as I understand it, which isn't insurmountable.
Because you're taking them to the ground in a dominant position... you can sweep them from there to get on top, or immediately start attacking and going for subs...
@af4396 right, but it's only a dominant position because of the particular rules of bjj tournaments. In any other format, that is very much not a dominant position. And that's fine, but then why not just start at the knees?
@corrugatedcavalier5266 Because starting on the knees is very dumb, and not dominant, versatile or mobile at all. Its literally anti BJJ, your legs are trapped under you... And of course, we're talking about BJJ rules, not street fight. Although, I would bet 1 billion dollars on Gordan Ryan starting in sitting open guard against someone stronger than him in a bar fight. Let's not kid ourselves, it's not easy to pass a BJJ practicioners guard, even in MMA. You have be well trained in your kicks and guard passing to even get in range of punching, and that's if you don't get swept or leg locked in the process. Of course a trained striker with kicks allowed will have an advantage against someone starting on the ground. Less advantage starting in someone's closed guard though. People watch MMA experts punch through someone's guard and think they could do it... I'd like to see an untrained person try, even against a blue belt. Everyone's pretending like kicking and striking is easy against a trained ground fighter 😂
@@corrugatedcavalier5266Well, then without sounding mean, you should go to a BJJ class, start on your knees, and challenge them to pull guard on you and only pull guard, never mind immediately crushing you.
Good morning Ramsey, I have the "suspicion" that among the various reasons that led you to this little return to your homeland, there may also be the opportunity to take the black belt exam in BJJ...
There is a more simple reason why to start on the knees! The knees last longer. One could also say all bones last longer by limiting the maximum kinetic energy in sparring if a recreational bjj sparring in the 60's is of concern...
I understand pulling guard for competition. However, I watch martial arts for the implementation of it for self-defense. I think if someone is permitted to pull guard, the other dude should get 60 seconds of striking permitted. Make the grounded guy feel the real consequences of pulling guard. ... with that said, I get it. It's a sport and has been gamified.
I'm not a BJJ person but i gotta say that there are some guard that stop your opponent from pummeling you, some examples are the X guard and Spider guard.
@jestfullgremblim8002 Spider Guard makes sense, but it's much harder in no gi, which, for the sake of my argument for self defense it is a rare usage. X guard still provides an opportunity to get hit, just look at Ryan Hall, Gary Tonon, and a couple of other bjj guys recent losses. If the guy has a half decent defense, they can drop bombs.
For everyone saying pulling guard is boring think about this if you pull guard you start action on offense and defense for submission sweeps and passes if you don’t pull guard and do stand up your literally just grabbing each others necks and wrists trying to get something yeah throws and some take downs are cool but it takes forever to do it and as soon as u do it you at the same place pretty much and I mean not to mention going against a judo or a wrestler you know your gonna end up getting taken down and when the do a take down they might end up in side control so it’s just better to pull guard
hi Rasmsey im a muay thai fighter had my first tournament 6 days ago i won my first fight via knockout everyone was impressed i was doing great but between the first and second fight i had food poisoning as im on the ring and the second fight was about to start i rushed to the bathroom and threw up i was dizzy and weak i dont remember much of the second fight everyone told me i was winning and dominating the first round but in the end of it i was not focused at all so i ate a vicious head kick that broke my nose and knocked me unconscious for 20 seconds i woke up sitting on a chair not knowing or remembering what happened i was rushed to Er did a Scan for my brain , i had no brain damage just a broken nose how should i recover from this ? should i stop sparring or fighting for 1 year ? It was my first tournament. What should I do ?it would really help me if you can tell me what I should i do ? i don't have much info on the subject
I was the one asking if you ever happened to make it on the East Coast, if we could catch up. Surprisingly, I would for you to speak to combat veterans at a PTSad Ward. I think you would have an amazing message and can explain how martial arts can benefit there lives.
And a combat vet who still struggles myself. I put on 100lbs 4 years ago and fell into a deep depression and drug abuse that started after being hit from a roadside bomb in Iraq and suicide bomber.
I think that you've skipped ahead of the real answer, in stating that it's because a sweep counts for the same points as a takedown. The real answer is in the reason for the point structure. So you have to ask, why does a sweep count for as many points as a takedown? It's because the original premise of Gracie Jiu Jitsu strategy presupposes that the opponent will be physically superior and therefore too difficult to throw. So they practiced simple clinches and trips to bring the opponent to the ground, which with the advent of sport jiu jitsu, evolved into just pulling guard.
It depends on the goals. First of all, if you can't take down an opponent, pulling guard allows you to pull into a dominant position. You can sweep and attack from there, so why not? If you're a good guard player, you really have nothing to worry about. Imagine being taken down... now you have something to worry about. You can also pull directly into many advanced guards that lead to immediate sweeps or leg locks. Pulling guard is underrated, and a bunch of morons don't understand this, since they don't do BJJ full time. If any opponent is much bigger, they're likely to take you down, so may as well conttol the situation. If you have many matches, you'll get very tired trying to take down good players. It's also not super fun to watch a stalemate stand up match, much like it isn't fun to watch a stalemate ground match. For training BJJ, you get to spend a lot more time learning guard sweeps and attacks and distance management from pulling guard. The magic of BJJ is that the smaller guy on bottom can submit from there or sweep from there, or escape from there. If you're not training your bottom game, you're not really training BJJ, and you'll be screwed if you ever get taken down by someone bigger and aren't used to the pressure.
Demian Maia pulled guard in many UFC fights successfully. When he started standing and tryna box boxers and wrestle wrestlers is when he started losing...the losing path most BJJ experts take in MMA. I know it's cool to say not to pull guard, but when your opponent is a better wrestler or striker with great tD defense then it's wise.
@@RamseyDewey yeah exactly. That's the whole point of BJJ vs Japanese Jiujitsu. The focus on the guard by Helio Gracie because he was undersized. He revolutionized Jiujitsu because he found it difficult to employ a lot of the Japanese Jiujitsu techniques and throws etc. So he emphasized the guard to be more offensive than it ever was in Japanese JiuJitsu. Always assume that you're going against a bigger stronger opponent and assume that you'll have bottom position. Work on your guard technique. I have swept top 10 nationally ranked D1 wrestlers that outweighed me by 40 lbs after pulling guard in tournament. Guard and defense and endurance and attrition and energy efficiency. These are the principles and ideas that define and differentiate us as BJJ practicioners. I been practicing for 13 years.
The perception that the vast majority of jiu jitsu competitors pull guard immediately is a bit outdated. First a lot more athletes have developed their stand up because standing up during a sweep is a great way to deny score and force them to wrestle you down to score and if they pull guard after they fight up from their guard you've negated score. Also the emphasis on rule set has shifted a bit a lot of athletes are more focused on no gi then gi, which increases the above factor of standing out of sweeps, and also ADCC rules are a submission wrestling rule set. Guard pulling is a utterly valid tactic in certian rule sets but its not the only tactic (or rule set) and a lot of schools figured that out over the last decade and most schools outside the super old school mindset places are starting on the feet, even if they pull guard as you say.
@RamseyDewey jiu jitsu is bigger then the IBJJF, a lot of the major athletes and teams don't do IBJJF at all at this point, some teams do. And that is a rule set that very much it makes sense to pull guard in
EBI rules are a unique situation. The guard pull in the first period is often used to stall until the overtime period where the meta of the game changes completely.
bjj guys don't do takedowns because they're too "hard" to learn when you can just pull guard. they don't even train them. that's why when you go to any random bjj school, you'll find most of the time they start from the knees. they simply ignore takedowns because their ruleset allows them to. this is also why bjj purists can't get wins in the cage, they're incomplete grapplers, let alone fighters. don't get me started on self defense, as none of their tech works on the street. pull guard on the sidewalk, bro, see if your spine doesn't end up ground to dust.
@@RamseyDewey In person no so hence my question. I don't want to judge anyone by online video highlights. But it would be logical that the skills might have some carryover.
Sure, there are transferable skills, but there are so few Chinese folk wrestling practitioners (relatively speaking) today, and most of them are older men. So it’s hard to find any one who has done both shuai jiao and BJJ for a meaningful amount of time.
Guard pulling is part of bjj and will always be. You can do submissions and you can do sweeps instead of wrestle to land on top. So people that hate on this either don’t train and just don’t understand the sport or are just terrible at passing guard. Also a lot of guard pulling is terrible there is a right way to do it and wrong way to do it .
Hi Ramsey hope you are enjoying your stay in America. Im trying to catch up with the videos. When you get out of china because you will be leaving china. Come teach in America. Why teach our enemies? Ok im going to watch the other videos. One is 4 hours long i will listen as im training on the trainer. Don't forget to eat Pizza 🍕 😂 love you bro!! 💚💪
There are techniques to falling properly. There are techniques to drilling properly. You'd be amazed how many throws you can do in a judo or greco-roman wrestling practice with nobodyy getting hurt.
So it is the shitty rule set of Jiu Jitsu toutnaments, why this otherwise beautiful martial art gets watered down and thus loses a lot of its effectiveness in self defense... Man, that sucks! And I thought only Karate (being a Karate practitioner myself) and TKD got watered down for tournament purposes. For my understanding takedowns, takedowndefenses and how to break free and get back up on your feet if you get taken down are among the most important things for self defense. Stand up grappling! Bringing your opponent to the ground without going to the ground yourself, spiced up with some kicks, knees, elbows and punches and open hand strikes. That's where it's at.
Points should not be the deciding factor that just makes people feell like they have to pull guard yes that is a great technique but if their is an opportunity to do a quick sweep then not do it you can do it its just as fast if the opening is their to the comments saying pulling guad distroys judoka thats not true it has a ground game too it's all about the individual skill level at this point its just too bad both sports have suffered over the years by the majority of bjj schools focus on the ground while majority of judoka schools focus on the feet i have always felt having more tools in the toolbox sorry its so long
@RamseyDewey I like your context but I gotta disagree with u on this one it's thinking like that is why it's this way I have seen many IBJJF tournaments where trips, throws, and sweeps were used out the gate I think the IBBJF world championship match had a trip that's not the point u do see it a lot in high level IBJJF I am convinced bjj takedowns and judoka ground is not really taught it's not because of the scoring it's a skill level issue the people teaching is not good at it u might think I am wrong but that's ok discussions like this helps better martial arts nothing is set in stone so to speak
I enjoy your podcasts but have to disagree with your reasoning based on points. If you fought for the takedown and got it then that’s two points and then it doesn’t matter what time you have left because you already are leading with points. Yes you see a lot of people pull guard in matches but a majority of those are after they tried a takedown or two and they are stalemated. Lots of places practice takedown in jiu jitsu. Some tournaments have copied IBJJF where if the opponent is making any type of move forward and you pull guard they get credit for the takedown. Just a month ago I saw the opponent just fight very defensive and the better person lost. Also I disagree with it gives you more time to fight from the bottom argument ( IMHO ) I don’t need extra time to fight from a disadvantaged position, I want to be on top and make the person on the bottom carry my weight, have to move me to get what they want etc. from what I’ve seen the reason many places don’t do a bunch of takedowns is because of injuries. If your not competitive many places start on the floor to keep from being thrown into each other etc.
That’s objectively and demonstrably untrue. Look at the stats from the 2022 IBJJF world championships. Out of 190 black belt matches, there were 201 successful guard pulls and 26 double guard pulls. In most instances, the first guard pull happened within the first few seconds of the match. In sharp contrast, there were only 28 takedown attempts.
@@RamseyDewey I have to agree I’m not at that level of world championships. It was my understanding that the question was asked of why most schools don’t practice takedowns. I spoke from world life experiences and first hand observations, not about stats of world class athletes.
@@RamseyDewey just to mention I do like what you do and I do respect much of what you put out, however I went to the crunching numbers site where you most likely went for your information and the matches you looked up were adult black belts only, I would garner to say that if you watched ALL of the matches you would see many more takedown attempts that would change the numbers significantly. That is also only for IBJJF, I’ve watched many tournaments where black belts (and more lower ranks) have attempted takedowns and then went to pulling guard afterwards. By all means maybe your onto something that I didn’t think of with your “you have more time to work” the Theory if you just pull guard. But I have to admit that my opinion is different, your time to work is the same, if I get a takedown and even if they put me in guard or half guard I’m still on top and I have a points advantage. But hey I’m a simple old man, I don’t use stats from one select group of world class jiu jitsu practitioners to support a opinion for all of those who practice and train jiu jitsu.
Takedowns don't give you 2 points. Takedowns that result in your opponent being off their feet for 3 seconds get scored for 2 points. But if you takedown, and lose the position right away and your opponent takes your back, you got nothing (except for an advantage point)
That wouldn't be BJJ. BJJ is all about training to get out of pins and bad positions. It's a self-defense martial art at the core, not a sport. That's why it's scored the way it is, that's why you can only win by submission or dominating an entire round until the time limit. Have fun being a smaller guy in the gym and trying to get your opponent that has 50+ pounds on you with shoulders on the ground, without your shoulders being on the ground... If guard pulls or sitting guard is allowed, then it's possible, that's the point as well of guard. Without it, and with that ruleset, hat's missing the entire point of BJJ, and is basically just wrestling.
If you wanted to make the sport better and kill the guard game takedowns should be sized technique. Kinda like how sambo does it. Shoots are low points, sweeps are middle points, throws are high points. A guard pull is 0 point, and sweeps from ground are 0 points. Sweeps from ground are nothing because you have your base. Anything without a base should score higher and is considered a higher technique to achieve. What bjj basically scores on is how well you understand the easiest techniques to learn and achieve. And that is just bad martial arts that don’t want to push themselves. It’s why all this MMA wrestlers and sambo guys do well, the learned the hard stuff befor the easy.
Nobody in the super heavy division pulls guard 😂😂 That’s the little guys that love playing guard. Anyone over 240lbs will wrestle to get on top or wrestle back up from the ground to get on top 😉 That’s only the little guys who play guard 😂😂
I really like you Ramsey, your a very common sense guy. I agree with you view on most issues in regards to martial arts. Really, i am not trolling. But you criticize a mans style, and i knew nothing about dale brown till you mentioned him. I was actually looking at your bruce lee rebuttals. Your in the United States, covid is over, you 2 , you and dale brown need to meet..Or you need to take back what you said about Dale because that would show cowardice. Yawl need to meet.
@@GuyfromSC2 That would make sense, if every (or even half of) Jiu-jitsu school taught the fundamentals of Judo and wrestling while focusing on the ground. Which the vast majority or BJJ schools do not. So as a 2 stripe blue belt in BJJ, Jiu-jitsu is not "better" than other forms of grappling.
@@AGuy-s5v yeah but those are two different sports you can say the same thing abt judo and wrestling not doing fighting off their back bjj focuses on bjj so guard, passing the guard, sweeping, and getting into superior positions, and escaping yes it would be very good if schools did more stand up but stand up is such a little part of grappling its like if you want to focus on takedowns go to a sport of standup not the sport of grappling like judo is 99 percent takedowns people just expect bjj to cover EVERYTHING in grappling when bjj covers the more grappling then any sport but just bcs bjj doesn't focus on takedowns like judo and wrestling people always crap on bjj for it but what u guys have to realize is 90 percent of bjj is fighting off your back so bjj schools aren't crazy focused on standup bc bjj doesn't revolve around that standup
@@GuyfromSC2 Shifting the goal post a bit there buddy? I purely said if even half taught the fundamentals of Judo and Wrestling. Teaching the fundamentals is not the same as teaching the sport. You can have takedown/throwing fundamentals while also being able to pull guard. Yet not even half the BJJ schools touch standup grappling as a concept. So until at least half of all BJJ schools teach the bare bones fundamentals of standup grappling, BJJ is not superior in any form to other forms of grappling.
@@AGuy-s5v yes it is bjj does touch on stand up but I dont know why people are always trying to be like bjj guys should learn to do judo or wrestling bc they have bad stand up when no one says wrestlers should try other grappling bc they are bad when they are on their back
Ah, I see you have left one previous comment on my channel: “China has treated you.well, I see you have endorsed so many mixed martial art products on taobao! Good job.” To which I replied: “I have endorsed ZERO products on taobao. Anyone using my videos, pictures, image or likeness on taobao is doing so without my permission or knowledge.” And now you are trying to antagonize me about that? The heck is your problem man?
luckily we have a designated wrestling class with an actual national wrestler/mma fighter and our coach also puts quite a lot of emphasis on throws/takedowns even in beginner classes.
As someone who was a judoka, the dirty little secret is that guard pulling works. While we're fighting for grips and position, a 3 years BJJ player can pull guard on a blackbelt Judoka and now make everything that Judoka has trained for the last 10 years null and void. And to make matters worse a blackbelt in BJJ vs. a blackbelt in Judo can pull guard and likely ankle lock or kneebar the judoka in about 30 seconds. Its the most frustrating thing in the world to have honed your standup skills, and this A-hole just flops on the ground with a simple lapel grip and now he's working his guard and you've got to react to him taking you completely off your game plan. I hate it, it looks stupid, you want to say be a man an stand up, but the dirty secret is that ish works.
Very true!
The man speaks the truth ughhh
But to be fair the rules make it so. As Ramsey said, that's how it's scored. Why waste energy and dedicated practice on a takedown like double leg or uchi Mata, when a simple guard pull or even a low level ankle pick works just as good, and saves you energy.
Edit: BTW I get what you're saying, I've wrestled and put a lot of effort into my throws, but it's a different sport.
Too many words to describe the feeling reading this left in my heart, but in short, without closure, all I can say is that it broke it. (That's when Garry tipped his fedora to the lady he so loved, lit a cigarette, and walked into the shadows among the alleyways, speaking a thousand words, while speaking none. The shadows were like a gate that she couldn't follow through, knowing once closed, she'd never see him again.) Perhaps not that dramatic, but pretty darn close. There's always a way to defend against someone pulling guard. It may take some drilling and practice, but don't give up. Even against black belts. If you don't take my words seriously, what I could do is try round up some guys and we could demonstrate it. Myself and a few others came from a sambo gym previously. Once we wandered into a bjj gym, we put some raw chopped up garlic in their mashed potatoes, and if they didn't like it well to bad. Maybe that's why my buddy got kicked out. No. Not because of that. The most ironic things about our training is that we all wanted to lose the jackets, and really get some no gi in. We didn't care about belt colours etc. However, when we did train in gi's, I'm sorry to say, but some of the more advanced sambo guys folded up most of the bjj players like laundry in them. Even without a kurtka, which is grip easy as we all know, a traditional gi still allows for many grips that with positioning and leverage, should give the top player an advantage. We had some of our own tricks, but if you look online, there seems to be many options for just old school bjj ne waza.
And the problem with both bjj and judo is they're not MMA
If guard pulling was good then people would do in MMA, they don't because you expose too much of yourself
The same situation as judo throws where you expose you back or fall together with the opponent
Martial arts were once about self defense and those kinds of movements shouldn't be encouraged by the rules if we want to still meet that self defense essence alive
Takedowns in Jiu Jitsu has become a lot more common than it used to be in tournaments. As a ref and BJJ instructor one of the takedowns that is commonly being used is a cross collar drag in the Gi or double, single leg in No Gi. Many of the throws and takedowns in Wrestling or Judo will put the person doing the takedown in a position to be easily submitted.
I'm a Judoka but i gotta say that you are kinda right with your last statement.
But it isn't the technique's fault! If you look at old Judo demos or randori between experts from the old times, you'll see how every throw either lands directly into one of the pinning techniques or into a submission.
But Judo people do not care about practicing such a thing anymore because they "don't need it"
If they land just rigt, the match ends right there regardless of you ending in a bad position, and if the throw wasn't good enough to have you win and your opponent tries to do some ground work on you (which is kinda unlikely as well) you can just stall out until you both get reseted.
I dislike, i might say i hate nowdays Judo. They are butchering this precious art! The throws shouldn't have you land in bad positions!
I love the breakdown of how time management effects the extent that bjj schools tend to allocate towards takedowns.
I have a backround in primary, secondary and post secondary education and consultation. Some of the highest indicators of success towards helping students develop skill proficiency at all age and skill levels include time management and how much skill practice mimics using whatever skill is being taught out in the wild. I think it's cool that you touched on these ik your video. I know the context is super different but I love all of you videos on effective instruction and coaching practices!
I think I coaches that make their clients more interested in takedowns tend to have more luck including takedowns into class time, but that's based on my minimal bjj experiance.
Great video!
Funny thing about "takedowns" is something I learned from the "Less impressed, more involved" channels. Takedowns seem to be more easily countered than to be engaged. And that is the experience I had with Sanda. I would have wrestlers and sambo fighters as opponents, but I would counter their throws with throws. Never felt that they had an edge over me. Yeah I did train takedowns, but not as much as them. In the channel he talked about training specific situations or scrambles that appear often in the fight game like "whizzer fights" were you don't want to have less experience in than the wrestler does. I think he also mentioned "getting up from turtling" or the turtle position in general. It definitely explains why a lot of wrestlers drop many of their takedowns in MMA fight, while at the same time you find wrestlers having it easy to adapt. It's not necessarily because of their ability to take people down, but a mastery of many aspects you would encounter in MMA that have to do with control. And they are not exclusive to wrestlers. You can practice them when you have a keen eye for what is important to dominate in the fight.
Have you ever countered a good wrestler that had a deep double or single on you?
@@thehumanbackpack6374 I had good wrestlers as opponent, but you can't have them get a deep double leg or single on you. That's already way to late. They'll finish the takedown. I had my tricks, like underhooking their thighs etc, but it would end in a stalemate.
I also watched that video, and the context you're dropping is that the most often occurrence of countering takedowns occur in high level wrestling near the end of the match initiated by the person behind on points trying to get something to happen.
Which is not the same as a Jiu-jitsu practitioner who happens to know a bare bones single leg for no-gi setting up a sloppy takedown and getting caught in a guillotine.
Now to digress from the video...
And when talking about Gi Jiu-jitsu, it becomes a guessing game as to what kind of guard your opponent wants before he pulls guard.
If someone is pulling guard, the grips he'll want will be different is he's trying Dela Riva vs spider guard.
So the real question is for grapplers outside of Jiu-jitsu is: What is the purpose of competing in Jiu-jitsu beyond a white belt or blue belt level?
Is it for better mattwork? Is it for the love of grappling?
Are you trying to develop a system?
Questions abound...
@@AGuy-s5v yeah, it is an interesting question. How far do you take the subset of MMA. I would say let people dive into the niche and look at what they come up with and select things from their set. And when they say "you need this and that and that" simply as "is it really necessary though if I can do without?". At the end you need to look at what "challenge", "problem" or "goal" you want to solve or achieve. And often with those hyperfocused subset martial artists you will see that they try to avoid talking specifically to the problem or situation or that the solution ignores parts of what the challenge is. That's when you look elsewhere and get on with your life. It's about answering to challenges competently and being "well rounded" while also exposing yourself to new challenges in whatever you want to achieve.
As someone with a wrestling background I detest butt scooters, but I get it fits with the rule set.
Also hate the rule that says if that guy is on the ground you have to engage, he can stand up. But yeah the rules are the rules.
The sitting down just looks stupid.
I mean besides a swift knee or foot in the face of a butt scooter, what do you usually do?
@@KrigRaseri I step on their ankles
@@SwordFighterPKN nice
Demian Maia pulled guard in many UFC fights successfully. When he started standing and tryna box boxers and wrestle wrestlers is when he started losing...the losing path most BJJ experts take in MMA. I know it's cool to say not to pull guard, but when your opponent is a better wrestler or striker with great tD defense then it's wise.
I was never BJJ, but I did Judo at my high school. Scoring was very different yet of course we did also practice Ne-waza and my coach often had us start from the knees on days he wanted to focus on it. From my personal experience, I can easily see where you are coming from. Especially when you start focusing on the "time" aspect of things. Of all gambles, I think people tend to avoid gambling their time. If something works for them and is less of a gamble, then someone will invest their energy into that instead (pulling guard is definitely safer than an a takedown since oft the best counter to a takedown is repositioning and taking advantage of the movement to do a takedown of your own in the midst of it). We didn't exactly have guard pulling do to the ruleset, but suicide throws became really popular amongst much of the class since even if you did it poorly and didn't score, you were both already on the ground and could fight for the pin instead (what they really wanted anyhow). Low risk, decent reward, good time investment.
Despite the scoring issue takedowns still have there utility. I'm an ultra-heavyweight competitor and that's a division where generally you don't want to pull guard or be the first person to go down as it more then likely will be the position you end up in for the rest of that match. Although that's not to be taken for granted it definitely makes me rather keep things standing a long as possible and getting my 2 points for a takedown. Even if it means racking up a couple of penalties. I even base my game plan on the fact that if we both get penalties, probably then the other guy will panic first and pull-guard.
I want to add my $0.02.
My school offers GI classes multiple times per day and also offers a few no-GI classes per week.
The evening classes tend to be packed with very little floor space. Live training in those classes starts from the ground with plenty of guard pulls due to the fact that it's too crowded to safely do any stand-up grappling.
The no-Gi classes and the morning classes are usually less crowded and there's a lot more stand-up/take-down training since there's more floor space to safely do so.
In BJJ it's a great drill to do in stand up is to ban guard pulls. That way you HAVE to fight for a takedown, go for underhooks, snap downs, russian ties, arm drags and so on.
I believe this should be mandatory in all BJJ gyms!
at my gym, my coach will make us do 10 burpees if we immediately pull guard lmao
Good coach
Does your gym compete in BJJ tournaments?
I had to look that up. We called them bends and thrusts in Marine Corps boot camp lol. We had to do those as punishment. I did so many of those......
Change gym
@@rocksoldier elaborate
Alright... this might not even be a hot take, but imma call it one and proceed on this..
I've heared about people changing the point structure like less points for sweeps or penalizing the guard puller. I've heared of people talking about the idea of banning guard pulling..
Here's an idea, and maybe it's been talked about, but I haven't heared anyone talk about it, so here it is:
If your opponent can pull guard, I see no reason why it shouldn't be allowed for you to try and disengage.
And if you successfully disengage you both stand back up.
We can talk about if the person who disengaged gets anything for it, points, advantages or what have you.
But I think just allowing people to disengage from exclusively guard pulls is more massive than touching the points.
But hey, that's just a thought.
I entered a BJJ gym this vacation as someone who used to practice judo 1-2 times a week when I was in karate. And in 5 weeks I've only had 1 class dedicated to single leg takedowns because they brought in a former wrestler to teach us that class.
I'm the only white belt that tries to go methodically for a takedown that isn't that single leg takedown, and the skill gap I feel with blue belts standing up is nowhere near as the skill gap I feel once we hit the ground for x or y.
I use guard pulling on opponents that stand over their base when they’re defending throws. Using a quick guard pull in this manner allows for a sweep before I even hit the ground. It doesn’t work every time, but frequently I end up on top.
As always thanks for the video Coach ... good stuff! 🥋
I trained BJJ for few years until other circumstances forced me to quit. I always thought that guard pulling was a bit cheap. I always understood that the rules permitted it, but to me it was always something that could only effectively exist in a sport context. I know in a actual fight I absolutely would rather throw the person and stay on my feet than willingly pull guard and go to the ground where my mobility was limited. As such I felt that the BJJ schools I've been to had ignored a very important part of the fight: the standing grappling game.
Rules are established and competitions are conducted based on that rules set. The process of practicing under these regulations leads to expertise, as the implications of each rule become clearer. Over time, the sport gets optimized according to these rules. Thus the trade off between guard pulling and takedowns occurs. When a flaw within the rules is observed, they need to be amended. In this case, once slams are permitted, the desire to pull guard will decrease significantly. The number of individuals who retain their guard when someone begins to stand for the slam also dwindles considerably. Seems a good change.
I look at martial arts from a practical fighting perspective. I was watching some recent high level BJJ competitions where the winners immediately went to sitting positions and used leg entanglements to achieve this. I did not like it. Not that long ago, I watched Ryon Gracie fight in the UFC. (I may have the name wrong) He fought that way and was destroyed.
Kron?
@@Hewrin88 I think that's right.
It's all the ruleset of the competition. Not necessarily the martial art itself.
Demian Maia pulled guard in many UFC fights successfully. When he started standing and tryna box boxers and wrestle wrestlers is when he started losing...the losing path most BJJ experts take in MMA. I know it's cool to say not to pull guard, but when your opponent is a better wrestler or striker with great tD defense then it's wise.
"Because the game's rules incentivize it" is a pretty good reason to pull guard.
I really dislike warmups for BJJ. Feels like a waste of time when the technique is anyway trained in low enough pace that it works for a warm up.
For wrestling classes it feels a bit different tho. I have to get my muscles worked and warmed before I can e.g. shoot for a single leg properly. And I'm not sure if going for a single leg just slower is the answer, since I am anyway moving my whole body weight and putting a lot of weight on my ankles and knees in those positions just doesn't feel good if they aren't warmed up.
That said, what I still wish is that gyms just allowed you to warm up yourself or did e.g. grip wrestling or stuff for warmups. Something else than running in circles and knee-walking across the floor. I know how I effectively and quickly get my body ready in a way that suits me and the various injuries I've had.
this lad travelled back in time
I heard takedowns are also the biggest source for injuries. I've trained Sanda and after injuring someone I stopped practising weird or "creative throws" in a match or against the will/expectation of my training partners. It takes away from the "realness" of the takedown/exchange, but once you got some experience with fights you know where you would have to put in more power. Also you can tell your partner to resist a certain part etc. After that shift we never had any injuries from practising throws. And it didn't take away from the effectiveness, because in the end we spent more time with a particular throw and how to counter it etc. So it is possible. But you will find that different people have different motivation for martial arts and you don't know your training partner and if he even cares about getting better or simply smashing people to the ground. Doing it right takes a lot of discipline and a lot awareness, most people simply refuse to put in. And from your videos Ramsey I think you train very similar to how we did it.
yeah, throw training can cause injuries, if you're a bad training partner, but that's no excuse for avoiding learning double legs, high crotch, duck under, ankle picks, over unders, front chancery, i could go on. how do you think we do it in the wrestling room? you think we just drop the tech because it's too hard to train? so your op isn't going to be too afraid to practice throws and takedowns, but you are, who's going to win?
Takedowns are not the biggest cause of injury in BJJ, far from it. Jumping guard is. More catastrophic injuries result from jumping guard than any other technique in BJJ (and that’s IBJJF legal)
@@RamseyDewey Yeah, I remember my first lesson in BJJ. I thought "hey, I was just trying this out, no need to rip my knee bands as a participant's fee". People were pulling guards as a greetings and everything went straight at the knees with at least a part of the body weight.
@@RamseyDewey I guess guard pull is one step below the banned judo throws were you sheer the knees. While they can ruin your career a fireman's carry gone wrong or a suplex gone wrong can ruin a life.
@@deltapi8859eeeh, they can lead to some injury, but on the mat it's unlikely. I've seen people get spiked by supplexes and fireman carrys and they were mostly fine. Some got koed, but walked it off the next day. On a hard surface you're absolutely right, but mats give enough way to not break your skull or neck.
We did alot of guard passing, and defense in our sambo. Good positiong can come from a take down. My hips and knees are in way worse shape than the scooters my age though. I give them that, but i also have no regrets.
I left a club because there was a massive focus on sport's BJJ. I just didn't find it as enjoyable always starting from the knee and having guys pull guard all the time. I simply didn't engage as I trained for self defence. They are a club that metal and win tournaments so they are a busy club but just not for me.
Same. I worry sometimes that BJJ practitioners vastly overestimate their skills bc they can dominate on the mat under rules and controlled environments and once they get in a real altercation they may have little to no actual tools bc rollings round on concrete isn't exactly user friendly and yea you may pull guard and while you're going for a slick submission the other guys taken a big handful of gravel and tossed in your face, picked up a rock or something and bashed you with it, or pulled a knife and stabbed you
@@jlogan2228 Unless you actually train with armor, for street fights, and are allowed to use any techniques, EVERYONE overestimates their ability in bad situations.
But people also are dumb. All they think self-defense is, is a brutal street fight, the worst of the worst. That's so much more rare than most domestic altercations, most family altercations, most party altercations, most airport altercations etc.
Also, you're talking about knife fighting, in which you ARE going to get cut, but you're worried that being on the ground will be hard and uncomfortable? I really don't think you've any idea of the reality of damage and violence in the type of ruthless situations you're talking about. Also, the most common submissions, even in tournament, aren't slick submissions. Once you're a blue belt, you'll be good at the majority of realistic chokes that work well with jackets and with no clothes, you'll be good at disabling arms/shoulders/ankles etc, and you'll be good getting out from under someone and staying on top of someone, and being able to deliver punches or control from very good positions. Those things just don't work well against trained BJJ practitioners once they know your game, so you need much more advanced grappling to either set up simple submissions, or get "fancy" submissions. That's why BJJ at high level is a sport, because no one is going to easily give you anything. But if an untrained person walks off the street, even a higher level white belt can usually handle them pretty well with 1 year of training, and trust me, walk in's do some unexpected sh*t and use pure strength and sloppy movement which is always a good refresher on what untrained grapplers will try to do to you lol.
Guard pulling works and no one wants to admit it. I’ve got a very wrestling heavy style of bjj, and I wrestled in school. If I’m put in a match against a D1 All American wrestler, I’m pulling guard. It’s the only thing that would make sense in that situation.
Untrained ignorant commenters would like to tell you that BJJ sucks, and they would take down the guy that's 1 foot taller, stronger and 40 pounds heavier than them to get a dominant position.
That time to get a takedown is definitely an issue. My first submission grappling tournament match I spent two minutes before I got a head&arm and got the match to the mats. I was fighting in the unlimited class at 245, and my opponent was 3 inches shorter and 50 pounds heavier than me. It took time to get that little fire plug to the ground.
Takedowns are scary so BJJ guys don't train them. Takedowns, specifically from BJJ gyms that focus on countering guard pullers, are devastating. Schools here are starting to learn that.
That actually sounds pretty sick.
@@AGuy-s5v Have a white belt, 13-0 with a 100% submission rate. They can't hang.
That's a cool room!
I want a rule system that encourages me to be more awesome and discourages me from being boring.
Our gym noticed the standup game gap and so we got a wrestling coach to teach some classes
Coach Ramaey could you make a video on what makes the dagestani style of grappling so effective in mma?
that would be extreme weight cutting. Get a dagestani wrestler and a d1 wrestler of the same weight without weight-cut and they will be evenly matched..
God's telling me something. I'm a Judoka and I'm participating in a BJJ competition today 😂
that is my problem with bjj, i come from an mma gym so we always focused on fighting for a dominant position.
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Insert favorite hip throw -> land in kesa -> execute favorite armbar or wrist lock from kesa. Win.
And if the other guy grabs your sleeve first and then pulls de la riva guard before you can get your grips, let alone get your hips into position?
No, I agree with you. Guard pulling completely by-passes the majority of my stand-up judo techniques. It's a powerful strategy. As a Judo competitor, it's both frustrating and humbling.
I always kind of hated the sportification of stuff. In my smooth brain opinion I feel like the moment you have a situation where you can just farm points for a win is the moment you should rethink the rules. Before my first BJJ comp they taught me the rules and how you can take a position hold in for the time, get the points, and then move to a new position and do the same. I thought it was so stupid. In striking it makes more sense so you're not farming brain damage, but in grappling?
Then in Muay Thai in the clinch there were so many opportunity's for all kinds of throws and takedowns, but a lot of them are against the rules. Why only most? Why wouldn't you want to be the best fighter you can be and just go all the way? The art of eight limbs but we ignore the majority of throws and takedowns for some reason.
I also never liked the concept of pulling guard, you're pulling someone into a place to be able to pull a weapon or straight up start smashing your face, or if you're butt scooting getting a knee or foot in the head. Obviously, some people are good enough to pull it and then destroy your leg before you would do any of that, but it's just the lack of care for stuff like that which bothers me if you get me. Keep in mind the guard pulling mentality is taught to a lot of people that just do it for self defense or fun. Don't even get me started on all the crazy rules for this and that like lower body submissions, if you move your foot an inch over it's a penalty, etc.
I guess my biggest gripe is all of these are rooted in combat for military or civvie use, but got overly sportified and lost some of that pzazz. I don't mean in a these TechNiques KilL WOo sUPpER DanGEROUS lets leave heavily injured kind of a way crap, just in a these were created to cause bodily harm or death and we should respect the origins and learn to fight, not learn to win a tournament kind of way. I know a lot of this describes MMA, but you also never know what you are going to get by going to a local MMA class.
Pulling guard is a bullshit for who train for learning self defence in the street you cant pull guard for the hard ground and maybe the gnp of the opponent but if you takedown the opponent you can use your arsenal of control and submission
You can still do subs lol plus you can do arm drags and choke
I usually attempt takedowns anyway. We drill them in my BJJ class, but when we roll, most people pull guard. I just like takedowns and throws because they're just fun.
I think the knee thing is changing I’ve trained at 5+ schools(USA) they all start on there feet.
I’m gonna need you to play a banjo solo on your next video!
Where are you?!? Talking BJJ in a room full of musical instruments and devices that play music is interesting!
I’m curious what you think about various mud wrestling around the world with more specificity
I got scared of takedowns when I did the sloppiest wrestling shot in the world and knelt down on someone's toe. And broke it. Since then I have developed the habit of pulling bottom mount or bottom side control. Now that I plan to compete in the Ultra Heavyweight division, that is NOT acceptable. I have to learn to actually stand up with folks that, at least in my weight class, don't normally pull guard.
With the benefit of hindsight, I wish we had Judo in my area as I was growing up. We didn't even have wrestling in my school system.
you pull bottom side control? Why would you do that?
@@robbebreens9460 That's how I refer to failed takedown attempts.
@@robbebreens9460i'm also in shock, wth?
@@strongishguy683couldn't you be reffering to bottom guard or something like that? Who would pull bottom mount!??! You're just losing at that point!
@@jestfullgremblim8002 if you fail a takedown, you end up in bottom side control or bottom mount. I refer to failing a takedown as "pulling" those positions to make it less embarrassing, make it seem like it was my plan all along.
Well... that's a load off my mind. Next question, who wins a bowling match between Kirk and Picard. Safe travels in the USA Ramsay, cheers mate.
I think since you’re ultimately trying to submit your opponents, I favor submission only competitions. Also because I’m shit at wrestling.
"live by the takedown, die by the takedown"
In my opinion, guard pulling just isn't fun at all, I'd rather lose the standup battle and get floored than getting guard pulled. 😂 (it is, of course, a high skilled and valid technique!)
Also as a former Judoka, you want to go for a throw instead of guard pulling because any good Judo dojo will teach you how to immediately transition from a successful throw into a joint lock / hold down / choke.
BJJ folks cannot into being thrown, so you flip them and they'll be totally stunned and helpless
You are right if you can hit that throw, it's going to put you in an advantageous position. The problem is that BJJ does the same thing you mentioned above, if they're halfway decent they flop and start attacking your exposed knees or ankles. begrudgingly
Right, but the moment you take a grip I can just sit down. That's them rules.
I mean I am not a clever man and will fight for the throw anyway even though I don't really train throws much and I suck with them but they're fun so there we go.
@@tzaeru Guess it comes down to if you're training to fight, or if you're training to wrestle in pajamas for points
@@buyahondasupercub I'm not sure what a fight is in this context.
@@tzaeru The kind of fight where if you pull guard I kick you in the face even though I'm a judoka. Because pulling guard is a joke
Well I guess sweeping is easier than throwing but so is passing guard than doing a counter throw. Not a BJJ practioner but isn't guard a 50-50 situation? One good reason for guard pulling is avoid extensive amount training needed for standing part of fighting. I would assume that is reason for some players.
Depends on the guard we're talking about, but the person on the bottom is usually in a better position for all of them! (This is only for rulesets were strikes are not allowed)
How so? Well, for example, in the closed guard (the one that they usually pull) the person on top can only try to open the guard, and then pass it, which the person on bottom will try to stop from happeing by breaking their opponent's posture.
Well, so the person on top has those two options, but the person on bottom can: Go for one of the many swees they know, transition into another kind of guard, work a submission (like the armbar, triangle, omoplata, guillotine and collar chokes), just hold his opponent until they gas out, etc.
And that's only for the closed guard! Because in others like the X Guard, you'll get sweeped almost inmidiately unless you are pretty damn good
Closed guard is a dominant position , open guard is 50-50 until you establish connection, at which point, the person with more good grips and hooks is in the dominant position. However, good open guard players usually are very good at getting those grips and hooks and then sweeping into a dominant position or submission.
I'm not a jiu jitsu guy to be honest, but why shouldn't pulling guard count as a takedown for your opponent? I understand that the focus is on ground game, but if that's what they're looking for, then why not start at the knees? Giving up your back seems like the equivalent of foot fencing in olympic TKD to me. That would also only give your opponent two points as far as I understand it, which isn't insurmountable.
Because you're taking them to the ground in a dominant position... you can sweep them from there to get on top, or immediately start attacking and going for subs...
@af4396 right, but it's only a dominant position because of the particular rules of bjj tournaments. In any other format, that is very much not a dominant position. And that's fine, but then why not just start at the knees?
@corrugatedcavalier5266 Because starting on the knees is very dumb, and not dominant, versatile or mobile at all. Its literally anti BJJ, your legs are trapped under you... And of course, we're talking about BJJ rules, not street fight. Although, I would bet 1 billion dollars on Gordan Ryan starting in sitting open guard against someone stronger than him in a bar fight. Let's not kid ourselves, it's not easy to pass a BJJ practicioners guard, even in MMA. You have be well trained in your kicks and guard passing to even get in range of punching, and that's if you don't get swept or leg locked in the process. Of course a trained striker with kicks allowed will have an advantage against someone starting on the ground. Less advantage starting in someone's closed guard though.
People watch MMA experts punch through someone's guard and think they could do it... I'd like to see an untrained person try, even against a blue belt. Everyone's pretending like kicking and striking is easy against a trained ground fighter 😂
@af4396 starting from the knees sounds like an excellent defense against pulling guard to me.
@@corrugatedcavalier5266Well, then without sounding mean, you should go to a BJJ class, start on your knees, and challenge them to pull guard on you and only pull guard, never mind immediately crushing you.
Good morning Ramsey, I have the "suspicion" that among the various reasons that led you to this little return to your homeland, there may also be the opportunity to take the black belt exam in BJJ...
There is a more simple reason why to start on the knees!
The knees last longer. One could also say all bones last longer by limiting the maximum kinetic energy in sparring if a recreational bjj sparring in the 60's is of concern...
I understand pulling guard for competition.
However, I watch martial arts for the implementation of it for self-defense. I think if someone is permitted to pull guard, the other dude should get 60 seconds of striking permitted. Make the grounded guy feel the real consequences of pulling guard.
... with that said, I get it. It's a sport and has been gamified.
I'm not a BJJ person but i gotta say that there are some guard that stop your opponent from pummeling you, some examples are the X guard and Spider guard.
@jestfullgremblim8002 Spider Guard makes sense, but it's much harder in no gi, which, for the sake of my argument for self defense it is a rare usage.
X guard still provides an opportunity to get hit, just look at Ryan Hall, Gary Tonon, and a couple of other bjj guys recent losses. If the guy has a half decent defense, they can drop bombs.
No gi Jiu jitsu is improving tho bc ADCC rules do penalize pulling guard when points come into play
For everyone saying pulling guard is boring think about this if you pull guard you start action on offense and defense for submission sweeps and passes if you don’t pull guard and do stand up your literally just grabbing each others necks and wrists trying to get something yeah throws and some take downs are cool but it takes forever to do it and as soon as u do it you at the same place pretty much and I mean not to mention going against a judo or a wrestler you know your gonna end up getting taken down and when the do a take down they might end up in side control so it’s just better to pull guard
hi Rasmsey im a muay thai fighter had my first tournament 6 days ago
i won my first fight via knockout everyone was impressed i was doing great but between the first and second fight i had food poisoning as im on the ring and the second fight was about to start i rushed to the bathroom and threw up
i was dizzy and weak i dont remember much of the second fight everyone told me i was winning and dominating the first round but in the end of it i was not focused at all so i ate a vicious head kick that broke my nose and knocked me unconscious for 20 seconds i woke up sitting on a chair not knowing or remembering what happened i was rushed to Er did a Scan for my brain , i had no brain damage just a broken nose how should i recover from this ? should i stop sparring or fighting for 1 year ? It was my first tournament. What should I do ?it would really help me if you can tell me what I should i do ? i don't have much info on the subject
Many schools are small with limited matt space thus it problematic to starting standing.
False, but yeah, like I said in this video, I knew people would type this comment repeatedly anyway.
Hey! Are you on the Wast Coast by any chance and will you be here for a while?
I was the one asking if you ever happened to make it on the East Coast, if we could catch up. Surprisingly, I would for you to speak to combat veterans at a PTSad Ward. I think you would have an amazing message and can explain how martial arts can benefit there lives.
I really respect you and what you do.
And a combat vet who still struggles myself. I put on 100lbs 4 years ago and fell into a deep depression and drug abuse that started after being hit from a roadside bomb in Iraq and suicide bomber.
I think that you've skipped ahead of the real answer, in stating that it's because a sweep counts for the same points as a takedown. The real answer is in the reason for the point structure. So you have to ask, why does a sweep count for as many points as a takedown? It's because the original premise of Gracie Jiu Jitsu strategy presupposes that the opponent will be physically superior and therefore too difficult to throw. So they practiced simple clinches and trips to bring the opponent to the ground, which with the advent of sport jiu jitsu, evolved into just pulling guard.
It depends on the goals. First of all, if you can't take down an opponent, pulling guard allows you to pull into a dominant position. You can sweep and attack from there, so why not? If you're a good guard player, you really have nothing to worry about. Imagine being taken down... now you have something to worry about.
You can also pull directly into many advanced guards that lead to immediate sweeps or leg locks. Pulling guard is underrated, and a bunch of morons don't understand this, since they don't do BJJ full time.
If any opponent is much bigger, they're likely to take you down, so may as well conttol the situation. If you have many matches, you'll get very tired trying to take down good players. It's also not super fun to watch a stalemate stand up match, much like it isn't fun to watch a stalemate ground match.
For training BJJ, you get to spend a lot more time learning guard sweeps and attacks and distance management from pulling guard. The magic of BJJ is that the smaller guy on bottom can submit from there or sweep from there, or escape from there. If you're not training your bottom game, you're not really training BJJ, and you'll be screwed if you ever get taken down by someone bigger and aren't used to the pressure.
Man, i live near the border, I wish I could make it up to LA to meet you. It would be such an honor.
I thought he lived in China
Which border?
@@sugoi9680I do live in China. Did you not watch the first 15 seconds of the video?
@@RamseyDewey San Diego!
@@blockmasterscottI’ll be visiting San Diego next week.
Demian Maia pulled guard in many UFC fights successfully. When he started standing and tryna box boxers and wrestle wrestlers is when he started losing...the losing path most BJJ experts take in MMA. I know it's cool to say not to pull guard, but when your opponent is a better wrestler or striker with great tD defense then it's wise.
Only if your guard is that much better than their top game! Damian Maia was an outlier in that regard.
@@RamseyDewey yeah exactly. That's the whole point of BJJ vs Japanese Jiujitsu. The focus on the guard by Helio Gracie because he was undersized. He revolutionized Jiujitsu because he found it difficult to employ a lot of the Japanese Jiujitsu techniques and throws etc. So he emphasized the guard to be more offensive than it ever was in Japanese JiuJitsu. Always assume that you're going against a bigger stronger opponent and assume that you'll have bottom position. Work on your guard technique. I have swept top 10 nationally ranked D1 wrestlers that outweighed me by 40 lbs after pulling guard in tournament. Guard and defense and endurance and attrition and energy efficiency. These are the principles and ideas that define and differentiate us as BJJ practicioners. I been practicing for 13 years.
The perception that the vast majority of jiu jitsu competitors pull guard immediately is a bit outdated. First a lot more athletes have developed their stand up because standing up during a sweep is a great way to deny score and force them to wrestle you down to score and if they pull guard after they fight up from their guard you've negated score.
Also the emphasis on rule set has shifted a bit a lot of athletes are more focused on no gi then gi, which increases the above factor of standing out of sweeps, and also ADCC rules are a submission wrestling rule set.
Guard pulling is a utterly valid tactic in certian rule sets but its not the only tactic (or rule set) and a lot of schools figured that out over the last decade and most schools outside the super old school mindset places are starting on the feet, even if they pull guard as you say.
The stats from the 2022 IBJJF world championships say otherwise- unless last year is what you consider “outdated”
@RamseyDewey jiu jitsu is bigger then the IBJJF, a lot of the major athletes and teams don't do IBJJF at all at this point, some teams do. And that is a rule set that very much it makes sense to pull guard in
Pulling guard should count as a takedown. 2 points to whoever lands on top. If youre so confident in your guard game it wont matter.
ramsey, what do you think about minowaman
I am not familiar with him, sorry.
@@RamseyDewey he fought butterbean in a mma match. He also does drop kicks and other prowrestling stunts in mma
You see the same in non-scoring matching like EBI.
EBI rules are a unique situation. The guard pull in the first period is often used to stall until the overtime period where the meta of the game changes completely.
bjj guys don't do takedowns because they're too "hard" to learn when you can just pull guard. they don't even train them. that's why when you go to any random bjj school, you'll find most of the time they start from the knees. they simply ignore takedowns because their ruleset allows them to. this is also why bjj purists can't get wins in the cage, they're incomplete grapplers, let alone fighters. don't get me started on self defense, as none of their tech works on the street. pull guard on the sidewalk, bro, see if your spine doesn't end up ground to dust.
Welcome back to the States!
Where can I find the podcast?
On my podcast playlist on my RUclips channel. Or just click this link: ruclips.net/video/YqcDHnHvUI8/видео.htmlsi=r4d0TU4QyoXWfFaU
How well do shuai jiao practitioners do in BJJ? or in Judo?
Have you ever seen a shuai jiao practitioner doing BJJ?
@@RamseyDewey In person no so hence my question. I don't want to judge anyone by online video highlights. But it would be logical that the skills might have some carryover.
Sure, there are transferable skills, but there are so few Chinese folk wrestling practitioners (relatively speaking) today, and most of them are older men. So it’s hard to find any one who has done both shuai jiao and BJJ for a meaningful amount of time.
Guard pulling is part of bjj and will always be. You can do submissions and you can do sweeps instead of wrestle to land on top. So people that hate on this either don’t train and just don’t understand the sport or are just terrible at passing guard.
Also a lot of guard pulling is terrible there is a right way to do it and wrong way to do it .
I could point you toward a laundry list of excellent guard passers who hate guard pullers.
Hi Ramsey hope you are enjoying your stay in America. Im trying to catch up with the videos. When you get out of china because you will be leaving china. Come teach in America. Why teach our enemies? Ok im going to watch the other videos. One is 4 hours long i will listen as im training on the trainer. Don't forget to eat Pizza 🍕 😂 love you bro!! 💚💪
Does anyone know How do judo dudes even drill it just seems like falling is harsh
There are techniques to falling properly. There are techniques to drilling properly. You'd be amazed how many throws you can do in a judo or greco-roman wrestling practice with nobodyy getting hurt.
Pulling guard is bad habit outside of BJJ competition.
How's your knee coach?
About the same.
So it is the shitty rule set of Jiu Jitsu toutnaments, why this otherwise beautiful martial art gets watered down and thus loses a lot of its effectiveness in self defense... Man, that sucks! And I thought only Karate (being a Karate practitioner myself) and TKD got watered down for tournament purposes. For my understanding takedowns, takedowndefenses and how to break free and get back up on your feet if you get taken down are among the most important things for self defense. Stand up grappling! Bringing your opponent to the ground without going to the ground yourself, spiced up with some kicks, knees, elbows and punches and open hand strikes. That's where it's at.
Points should not be the deciding factor that just makes people feell like they have to pull guard yes that is a great technique but if their is an opportunity to do a quick sweep then not do it you can do it its just as fast if the opening is their to the comments saying pulling guad distroys judoka thats not true it has a ground game too it's all about the individual skill level at this point its just too bad both sports have suffered over the years by the majority of bjj schools focus on the ground while majority of judoka schools focus on the feet i have always felt having more tools in the toolbox sorry its so long
How a sport is scored absolutely is the deciding factor in how the sport is played.
@RamseyDewey I like your context but I gotta disagree with u on this one it's thinking like that is why it's this way I have seen many IBJJF tournaments where trips, throws, and sweeps were used out the gate I think the IBBJF world championship match had a trip that's not the point u do see it a lot in high level IBJJF I am convinced bjj takedowns and judoka ground is not really taught it's not because of the scoring it's a skill level issue the people teaching is not good at it u might think I am wrong but that's ok discussions like this helps better martial arts nothing is set in stone so to speak
I enjoy your podcasts but have to disagree with your reasoning based on points. If you fought for the takedown and got it then that’s two points and then it doesn’t matter what time you have left because you already are leading with points. Yes you see a lot of people pull guard in matches but a majority of those are after they tried a takedown or two and they are stalemated. Lots of places practice takedown in jiu jitsu. Some tournaments have copied IBJJF where if the opponent is making any type of move forward and you pull guard they get credit for the takedown. Just a month ago I saw the opponent just fight very defensive and the better person lost. Also I disagree with it gives you more time to fight from the bottom argument ( IMHO ) I don’t need extra time to fight from a disadvantaged position, I want to be on top and make the person on the bottom carry my weight, have to move me to get what they want etc. from what I’ve seen the reason many places don’t do a bunch of takedowns is because of injuries. If your not competitive many places start on the floor to keep from being thrown into each other etc.
That’s objectively and demonstrably untrue. Look at the stats from the 2022 IBJJF world championships. Out of 190 black belt matches, there were 201 successful guard pulls and 26 double guard pulls. In most instances, the first guard pull happened within the first few seconds of the match. In sharp contrast, there were only 28 takedown attempts.
@@RamseyDewey I have to agree I’m not at that level of world championships. It was my understanding that the question was asked of why most schools don’t practice takedowns. I spoke from world life experiences and first hand observations, not about stats of world class athletes.
@@RamseyDewey just to mention I do like what you do and I do respect much of what you put out, however I went to the crunching numbers site where you most likely went for your information and the matches you looked up were adult black belts only, I would garner to say that if you watched ALL of the matches you would see many more takedown attempts that would change the numbers significantly. That is also only for IBJJF, I’ve watched many tournaments where black belts (and more lower ranks) have attempted takedowns and then went to pulling guard afterwards.
By all means maybe your onto something that I didn’t think of with your “you have more time to work” the Theory if you just pull guard. But I have to admit that my opinion is different, your time to work is the same, if I get a takedown and even if they put me in guard or half guard I’m still on top and I have a points advantage. But hey I’m a simple old man, I don’t use stats from one select group of world class jiu jitsu practitioners to support a opinion for all of those who practice and train jiu jitsu.
Takedowns don't give you 2 points. Takedowns that result in your opponent being off their feet for 3 seconds get scored for 2 points. But if you takedown, and lose the position right away and your opponent takes your back, you got nothing (except for an advantage point)
Just like we have gi and nogi days, we should have pin and no pin days. Pin days, if your shoulders touch the mat, reset.
That wouldn't be BJJ. BJJ is all about training to get out of pins and bad positions. It's a self-defense martial art at the core, not a sport. That's why it's scored the way it is, that's why you can only win by submission or dominating an entire round until the time limit. Have fun being a smaller guy in the gym and trying to get your opponent that has 50+ pounds on you with shoulders on the ground, without your shoulders being on the ground... If guard pulls or sitting guard is allowed, then it's possible, that's the point as well of guard. Without it, and with that ruleset, hat's missing the entire point of BJJ, and is basically just wrestling.
If you wanted to make the sport better and kill the guard game takedowns should be sized technique. Kinda like how sambo does it. Shoots are low points, sweeps are middle points, throws are high points. A guard pull is 0 point, and sweeps from ground are 0 points. Sweeps from ground are nothing because you have your base. Anything without a base should score higher and is considered a higher technique to achieve. What bjj basically scores on is how well you understand the easiest techniques to learn and achieve. And that is just bad martial arts that don’t want to push themselves. It’s why all this MMA wrestlers and sambo guys do well, the learned the hard stuff befor the easy.
Guard pulling is for sissies.
Most poeple that complain about it just suck at guard passing lol
Nobody in the super heavy division pulls guard 😂😂
That’s the little guys that love playing guard. Anyone over 240lbs will wrestle to get on top or wrestle back up from the ground to get on top 😉
That’s only the little guys who play guard 😂😂
IBJJF statistics say otherwise.
I really like you Ramsey, your a very common sense guy. I agree with you view on most issues in regards to martial arts. Really, i am not trolling. But you criticize a mans style, and i knew nothing about dale brown till you mentioned him. I was actually looking at your bruce lee rebuttals. Your in the United States, covid is over, you 2 , you and dale brown need to meet..Or you need to take back what you said about Dale because that would show cowardice. Yawl need to meet.
What I said about Dale was 100% factual. Do not ask me to speak against the truth. Hear it again: ruclips.net/video/boGlhvcai_w/видео.html
@@RamseyDewey well I like you both, I will just Leave it at that. Enjoy your time here.👍
Because if they did it would just be Judo. BJJ=Basically Just Judo.
Bjj is superior to judo tbh bjj is all grappling judo is pretty much just takedowns
@@GuyfromSC2 That would make sense, if every (or even half of) Jiu-jitsu school taught the fundamentals of Judo and wrestling while focusing on the ground.
Which the vast majority or BJJ schools do not.
So as a 2 stripe blue belt in BJJ, Jiu-jitsu is not "better" than other forms of grappling.
@@AGuy-s5v yeah but those are two different sports you can say the same thing abt judo and wrestling not doing fighting off their back bjj focuses on bjj so guard, passing the guard, sweeping, and getting into superior positions, and escaping yes it would be very good if schools did more stand up but stand up is such a little part of grappling its like if you want to focus on takedowns go to a sport of standup not the sport of grappling like judo is 99 percent takedowns people just expect bjj to cover EVERYTHING in grappling when bjj covers the more grappling then any sport but just bcs bjj doesn't focus on takedowns like judo and wrestling people always crap on bjj for it but what u guys have to realize is 90 percent of bjj is fighting off your back so bjj schools aren't crazy focused on standup bc bjj doesn't revolve around that standup
@@GuyfromSC2 Shifting the goal post a bit there buddy?
I purely said if even half taught the fundamentals of Judo and Wrestling.
Teaching the fundamentals is not the same as teaching the sport.
You can have takedown/throwing fundamentals while also being able to pull guard.
Yet not even half the BJJ schools touch standup grappling as a concept.
So until at least half of all BJJ schools teach the bare bones fundamentals of standup grappling, BJJ is not superior in any form to other forms of grappling.
@@AGuy-s5v yes it is bjj does touch on stand up but I dont know why people are always trying to be like bjj guys should learn to do judo or wrestling bc they have bad stand up when no one says wrestlers should try other grappling bc they are bad when they are on their back
Fake guard pull ankle pick. Job done...if it works.
You went to China and literally complained about people stealing your likeness on Taobo . You deserve everything that came to you.
What the heck are you talking about?
Ah, I see you have left one previous comment on my channel: “China has treated you.well, I see you have endorsed so many mixed martial art products on taobao! Good job.”
To which I replied:
“I have endorsed ZERO products on taobao. Anyone using my videos, pictures, image or likeness on taobao is doing so without my permission or knowledge.”
And now you are trying to antagonize me about that? The heck is your problem man?
luckily we have a designated wrestling class with an actual national wrestler/mma fighter and our coach also puts quite a lot of emphasis on throws/takedowns even in beginner classes.
My BJJ academy trains takedowns. Pulling guard is lame