Mindy Kaling's c.v.: Father is a well-known architect, mother was a successful doctor Grew up in the rich area of Cambridge, Massachusetts Graduate Darmouth College (Ivy League) with a degree in playwriting (they have degrees in that?) Immediately went to work in show business--never waitressed, never did housekeeping, never did an honest day's work in her life, just went from a rich suburb to a rich kids' school to a rich kids' idea of a job And she can't write characters that are real, funny, and relatable? Who could have seen that coming?
@@Szpareq that's what we said about Rick and Morty Then one of the writers made She Hulk. Then we found out her biggest accomplishment was Pickle Rick and it all made sense
I'll always remember the Scooby Doo/Johnny Bravo crossover: Velma: "My glasses! I can't see without my glasses!" Johnny: "My glasses! I can't be seen without my glasses!"
Ah the good old days of cartoon network, watching those today now is like throwing on a warm blanket in a snowstorm. It's nice to remember the good old days where Hollywood understood that they were selling a product. Hollywood nowadays just thinks it's entitled to our viewership.
I'm 100% convinced Velma was not originally a show about Scooby-Doo characters. Kaling had an idea for this exact same show but it was all original. She pitched it and everyone realized it was trash, but it has "good metrics". So they just slapped the S-D names and looks to the characters because they knew that would make people at least hate watch it.
That's the secret to not-success in Hollywood: if it fails on its own, slap it into a known franchise and at least get hate views and deflect any criticism with your diversity shields.
I saw leftists accusing Mindy of being right-winger who made this as a parody of lefty anti-comedy. That's right; it's so leftwing, the lefties are calling it rightwing.
Say WHAT??? Oh & that’s gonna be their excuse as to why it’s so terrible, cuz it’s just a “right-wing troll job”. As if that would ever really be allowed.
The Woke people don’t even like these Woke shows why does Hollywood makes these?? The Woke lefties are even complaining the new little mermaid doesn’t have enough representation. Why is Hollywood producing these if literally no one likes this stuff.
Yup. I hated her in the office and this is 100% like her character in the office. But once again minorities take a good thing in America and ruin it. No one should be surprised how this show turned out
@@jus_sanguinis That scene took place in the girls locker room, where all the girls (except Velma) had been showering. It was after this scene that I HAD to turn it off.
A quote from Mindy Kaling why they race swapped Velma: "We were really inspired by Into the Spider-Verse - it's animation, we can do anything. The essence of Velma is not necessarily tied to her whiteness. And I identify so much as her character, and I think so many people do, so it's like, yeah, let's make her Indian in this series." The narcissism. I'm voicing her so she's gotta be like meeeeeeeee. There was also some other quote where she says Velma has always been a LGBT icon. No she hasn't. It was just a stupid joke everyone made back in the day based on the fact she was a frumpy nerdy chick, like how people joked about Shaggy being a stoner. She wasn't written/created to actually be gay.
This quote is so frustrating to me! "'We were really INSPIRED by Into the Spider-Verse...'" Yeah, no kidding. They saw a popular character get race-bent and watched Sony's profits skyrocket. InSpIrAtIoN! Meanwhile Miles Morales is popular because he's not just Peter Parker repainted, he was given his own personality, drives, and arc. And the movie was great because the animation wasn't cheap and flat. "It's animation, we can do anything..." So you choose this pseudo-anime mess of flat colors and weak outlines? Good job! Into the Spider-Verse played with cinematography, dimension, and art styles, but go off. Honestly, I'd watch a cartoon called "Mindy Kaling: Paranormal Detective". Actually sounds hilarious and the cynicism would fit right in. Like, if she wanted to make this a self-insert, just own it, she's famous enough! (Sorry for the tl;dr)
Yeah that b*tch straight SUCKS! Not shocked by such a dumb, narcissistic statement from her. But this $hit show of hers ain’t going nowhere. Don’t know anyone who claims to like her.
When you think about it making Velma an actual lesbian is gross stereotyping. It is like say a male character is gay because he wears pink t shirts and has a Freddie Mercury mustache. It also completely ignores every other version of Scooby-Doo where Velma is explicitly straight.
Scooby-Doo's crossover with Johnny Bravo was comedy gold. Velma: "My glasses! I can't see without my glasses!" Johnny: "My glasses! I can't be seen without my glasses!"
To clarify: - Fred has no control of situations, hasn't hit puberty and is a man-baby 1%(entitled, can do anything for himself and ignores anyone who doesn't keep his goldfish attention span.) - Daphne sells drugs to hire an investigator to find her real parents, but hangs out with the popular girls. (Her drugs are named after show inserts. Also has lesbian cop foster parents. Isn't rich, but hustling) - Norville has a stream where he recommends snacks, is a per episode hobbyist, and drives a station wagon.(which the vehicle looks like the one from that 70's show) Which happens to be stoner favorites. He doesn't have the police family background and acts like Todd from Bojack Horseman with less fun. - Velma jumps to conclusions, hypochondriac and has trauma from a vague family member leaving. Acts like Daria without a soul and it's bad... All because Thanos snapped Scooby out of existence. Also by episode 2 Velma and Daphne catch feelings & make out. Norville shares his feelings and Velma laughed at him ... Good luck ... HBO max subscription charged an extra $1 a month for shows like this...(14.99-15.99)
They should have just created their own show. literally all of those descriptions are 100% not even close to what the 70's show was about. Shaggy never even drove the van.
This is the same spiteful, soulless, snarky, 'totally meta and modern' adaption we have been given before but this one appears to be especially egregious because Scooby-Doo is a loved series and has never been this mean-spirited.
It's not about money or creating. It's about slandering the existing IP to the extreme. Like vandalizing historical art, but they have permission from the museum. If all art is ug|y, than all art is "equally beautiful."
Yeah, Scooby-Doo is especially sacred to almost every generation. If there was any franchise they should have absolutely avoided putting through the cynical/subversive/"for modern audiences" grinder, its Scooby-Doo.
I'm a Nigerian born in the early 90s. I remember when my dad bought satellite TV and the first cartoon I saw on Cartoon network was Scooby Doo. I'd never forget that experience. This show is an insult to our memories
Mindy is the definition of privilege. She grew up upper class, went to an ivy league college & never had to struggle to get where where she is. She made Velma herself insert but this version of Fred is actually her.
Considering the writer co-director and lead actress Mindy came from a rich family, went to an Ivy League college then immediately got a job in acting once she graduated? I'm not surprised 🤣 the woman hasn't had a hard day in her life and it SHOWS
@@yetanotherspuart3993 you’re right. They can’t even tell the difference between a man and a woman these days and we’re expecting them to understand some form of logic?🤣
The original scooby doo was already super progressive and family friendly. Fred was the leader but not the smartest, he brought everyone together and was friends with all kinds of people. Daphnie was the pretty girl but she wasnt dumb, she helped and was friends with everyone. Velma was the smart girl, everyone really liked for being herself. She wasnt ugly or mean, I always thought her and Shaggy were a thing. Shaggy was the stoner who most people would dismiss but he was super friendly and smart too and helped everyone. Scooby was his best friend and despite being a big dog was harmless but also coursgeous when he needed to be. The whole show was about different types of people getting along. It was for KIDS to tell them they could do great things working together with everyone. The so called progressive today make everything about themselves and project their bitterness onto kids. By trying to make everything super diverse they just reinforce sterotypes or create new ones and dump on everything they personally dont like. Its amazing how racist and bigoted some of their stuff can be and they have no idea or maybe they do, its way worse than anything from the 1950s. And they wonder why so many kids are in therapy and on drugs, its probably the garbage theyre watch in modern media.
Imagine how racist one has to be to do this to scooby doo, one of the most chill and harmless shows ever lol and someone watches it and thinks nope, too white, gotta fix it 😂
@@ΑναστάσιοςΠαπαζαχαρίου Race never had anything to do with scooby. Same thing with the jetsons. They were ptobably all the same color intentionally so as not to create stereotypes. Both the good guys and the bad guys behind the masks were always white if i recall correctly. Pretty sure Velma was actually very pretty too when Daphnie helped her with different clothes in an episode, i think she just wore a frumpy sweater and had glasses, glasses used to indicate intelligence in cartoons. She wasnt obese, just about everyone back then was in better shape than today. But yeah, lets promote unhealthy habbits so a ton of kids have obesity and health issues and never fall in love and start a family. Sexuality doesnt belong in childresns programming. These people have problems and need to look in the mirror and work on their own issues before poisoning young minds.
Here! Here! Extremely well said! I’ve been thinking the same thing since I heard about this show & how God-Awful it sounded. Mainly for all the same $hit you mentioned, these characters were ALL just a bunch of different yet very friendly individuals with big hearts who always meant well. This new crap looks soooooooo LAME!! Especially with the race switch on Velma. Stupid & unnecessary which I suppose the dictionary people will change the definition of the word “progressive” some time in the near future. Good luck to you.
They actually genuinely want to ruin the kids’ childhoods and make them go to therapy or use drugs. That’s the sad truth about modern Hollywood and all, sick bastards indeed
You know, back when I was 4, sitting in my one-piece zip-up jammies, nervously watching to make sure Scooby gets away from the monster-of-the-lake as his paws briefly make blurred circles before he gets traction, I can say that I was also VERY interested to know if Velma munched the rug. So this new show should complete the story nicely.
What was so great about Scooby Doo was how race, sexuality, etc wasn't even a part of the conversation. It was just about a group of friends solving mysteries and crazy adventures. Velma went the complete opposite direction and defined everyone by every superficial trait they could think of.
hell look at all the movies where scooby and the gang went to other countries. there were no stereotypes and the cultures got treated with a good dose of respect. this velma trash would never be able to do that
Is it though? Because the only discussions about race/sexuality I've seen so far have been from comment warriors. Maybe I missed the part of the trailer where Velma was like, "God I love being any race but white."
@@HereTakeAFlower just don't watch it, jesus. you guys seem to think EVERY TV show should cater to you. no one is the target audience of everything, as much as disney might like to believe.
She's an established *female* writer/actress...and a *minority* too. My quick math indicates about a 0.0% chance that her show was going to be rejected. Except by audiences...
@@shadow4002 Remember the black lives matter commercial of pepsi? I think it's a better representation of race than most of the media today. And that's sad
JUST TO BE CLEAR: Kaling has a writing credit on 28 episodes of The Office, but none as the sole writer--and you get a credit if you write even one line of dialogue. 95% of those scripts were written by others and the scant contribution Kaling made was heavily re-written by others.
She mostly wrote for her own character and she was very good at making her character of person. She might have been the ethically worst person on the show until they wrecked Andy, perfect for her scummy boyfriend. Of course, now she finds all of her work on the office of problem so....
Just to be clear: so she made minor contributions to an adaptation of a british show rewritten for US audiences by others...which somehow qualifies her to be showrunner of a major legacy IP?
they easily could have made a more adult Scooby-doo with violence, horror or mature mysteries to solve and this was the best thing they could come up with
@@Paulafan5 I would honestly 100% watch and support that movie, I loved the movies growing up and come to appreciate them for the satire/secretly adult movies they are especially the first one but I would 100% love to see a reunion third movie
Drinker, ya missed the best part. They're complaining that all the villains are white, saying they need POC representation in that role... especially since if they did do just that, they would then complain that a POC is the villain...
Omg why are there so many white villains *Swaps their race* Omg like it's so racist that you would make a black dude the villain of the show *Swaps them back* Wow so much white privilege *Sends them to a third world country that doesn't have freedom of speech* I find it offensive that *gets shot for being a speaking woman*
I'm glad you brought up Daria as a better example of how a smart, sarcastic female character can be written. Having watched the show back on MTV when it aired and on DVD now, I liked that the writers never made Daria the "precious cinnamonroll that never gets called out for her crap" kind of character. Throughout the show, Daria was confronted by her family, her best friend, classmates and other characters for her views and actions, and there were moments that Daria had a change of heart or acknowledged that she didn't have all the answers or was right 100% of the time. So by the end of the show, Daria was not the same character as she was in the beginning. Unfortunately, I don't have much hope in the writing for Velma's character or for this show. I guess we'll have to wait and see what the show writers do.
When people say "Oh it's a prequel to Scooby-Doo!" I remember we ALREADY HAD a prequel cartoon back in the late 80s-early 90s called "A Pup Named Scooby-Doo" that shows the gang as children and Scooby as a puppy already friends with Shaggy. Shaggy, Scooby, and Velma were all pretty much the same as kids as they are when they grew up.
Not only that, but we also had the 2013 Mystery Incorporated show. While I personally wasn't too fond of it when I first saw it, it does serve as a better prequel than this Velma show seems to be.
The race swapping of Velma is easily one of the dumbest because I'm fairly certain Dinkley isn't a common Indian name. Also, the amount of people claiming Velma is an LGBTXYZ◇♡♤ "icon" and always has been is ridiculous because it was never even hinted at before now.
It's all audiences projecting onto the character. Same thing with Wednesday Addams. It's just happened that a lot girls who grew up to become lesbians projected themselves onto her, and then are upset when the character doesn't conform to their internal narrative
@@fabi3790 Based on the first episode, Kaling's Velma claims to like men and women. But I never cared which sex Velma liked! I admired her as the brain of the gang.
There was a Scooby Doo episode on the show Supernatural. It was funny, tongue in cheek, and obviously made with a love of the genre. It worked also in part because the Scooby Doo model is repeated in a plethora of shows over the decades, including Supernatural.
This show was obviously not a Scooby Doo show. Its a completely different story that has nothing to do with Scooby Doo, but then the production company hired the writer to make a Scooby Doo show. So she changed the names of some of her characters and presented her teenage fan fic as an actual show.
@@clogs4956 then she should have written a story about her being Velma. Not a story about some black lesbian in a high-school murder mystery, who happens to also have the name "Velma" but doesn't look, act, talk, or think like Velma. For example, if you took an episode of Scooby Doo, any episode, then changed the title to something like Ruby Row, velma to be a black woman called "Mindy", shaggy to a black guy called "Norbert", Daphne to an Asian woman called "Woo", Fred to "Brad" and Scooby to "Ruby". You'd be called out for copyright infringement because it is obviously still Scooby Doo but with different names. However, if you took this show and changed their names, it is so far from the original source material, not a lawyer on Earth could argue it is infringing on Scooby Doo. It doesn't even have the dog in it.
The show could redeem itself if the og Scooby-Doo gang comes in at the end, captures these imposters and then do the classic "now well see who you really are" and rip off their skin masks
One of the things that made 'Daria' great was that she was called out on her snarkiness; she wasn't always in the right and other people got to shine too - even Quinn had her moments. Modern shows have the self-insert just being right all the time and everyone else treated like crap.
@@gabbycotto4024 That show is overrated and doesn’t deserve the praise it’s getting. Her character is so inconsistent and yeah she’s being written as another “not like other girls” stereotype.
The day they reboot Daria is the day I end my life. She was one of my favourite cartoon characters, and I got my sarcasm and deadpan reactions from her. I'd hate to see her become self absorbed and toxic
I saw clips of this show on Twitter. They make Fred so pathetic, Velma defends him in court by saying he's too fucking stupid to be a murderer. And proceeds to give him a steak and have the court watch as the poor bastard tries and fails to eat it. This is after he saved her life by intercepting a flying paper cutter mid-air and yeeting it away from her.
@@crazychase98 This after Velma has a paper cutter yeeted at her, Fred CATCHES IT MIDAIR LIKE A FUCKING CHAD, and throws it away. Either he threw it super hard or the blade was that absurdly sharp, but it slices off a guy's leg when Fred threw it away. So he saved her life, and still gets dunked on.
@@anthonysaylor8120 When I saw that moment in the trailer I thought "Maybe they'll make him insufferable at first, but when the time comes he'll reveal himself to be a dependable guy". Giving this show any benefit of the doubt was a mistake.
Take a drink every time the characters actively diverge from the original characters for no other point than to not be the original. You will not survive the night.
The question of "who is this for" could apply to practically every "adult" cartoon nowadays. The humor is something only a toddler would laugh at but that's also paired with unnecessary amounts of gore that only adults can watch.
The gore isn’t usually that much. I would describe it as toddler humor with extreme sexuality. The only time those types of shows are funny is when you’re a kid, and you’re watching it without your parents knowing.
Yeah... I've never liked Adult Swim or anything of the type for that very reason. Because it just wasn't made for me or anyone who isn't a garbage human being!
This is why certain genres of anime are having a major resurgence. Interesting stories (comparatively), no “message,” normal gender roles. And in many cases, based.
I’m 28 years old and I grew up seeing almost all the scooby doo shows and movies. Always had a good time and enjoyed it. When I first saw the trailer for Velma, my first thought was why is she so brown? Then it hit me…. THE MESSAGE
I find it funny (read: pathetic) how they make a cartoon "targeting mature audience" and deliver a naked Daphne... but still hide the strategic parts with soap bubbles because they still feel it somewhere inside how wrong this whole situation is.
I stumbled upon what I would describe as at most, an "R" rated erotic anime on HBOMAX a couple years ago. It had lots of breasts and "pantsu", as you would expect from an erotic Japanese anime, but get this...HBOMAX literally blurred out some of the non-nude scenes if they deemed the camera shot as to close.
There are already X-Rated Scooby Doo’s for mature audiences - They’re much more fun than this sh*t, because they know they’re parodies & don’t take themselves seriously!
It would actually make sense that this Velma is so deep in her own cool aid narcissism, that every caricature is just her perception of everybody else but everybody else is just a normal person. It mirrors the writers level of out-of-touchness perfectly.
Not without precedence. The original leaves you to imagine whether the dog really talks, (only Shaggy seems to understand him) or the ghosts appear as convincing as you originally see them.
It is because they have not lived lives to draw inspirations from for new characters. All they have is the shows they watched that they could “make better”
A couple years ago some friends and I were talking about old cartoons and I foolishly said something along the lines of, "Man, I kinda wish Scooby-Do would come back but the characters were older and dealt with a more mature crimes and mysteries. Kinda like a private detective show solving murders and stuff." Little did I know the Monkey's Paw would curl that day.
How does she keep getting work? She's of the right identity and has the right politics in Hollywood. Simple as that. With ESG and all, Hollywood doesn't care about making popular stuff or making money, only about "the message".
Even if people treat ESG investors like a bottomless pit, none ever is. People/companies take turns in being super rich but as an oldie I've seen them come and go. They invest in one too many things that lose money and they invariably collapse. If the current lot keep propping up the US entertainment industry and no bugger's watching their offerings it will bite in the end. You have to earn money to make money and Hollywood rarely does that atm.
Seems like the point is to just openly ruin stuff. I don't think there is an actual target audience in mind, they just want to ruin stuff the people they hate hold dear.
Agreed. I think that Mindy Kaling's entire purpose to make the show was just to troll the fans and incite outrage. I guess if that was her goal, then it worked.
It has to be destroyed, not just left behind. Everything that was made before they got there has been created by the "white patriarchy" and, therefore, is fundamental bad. The only reason people enjoyed the older stuff is that they didn't know better and weren't offered the correct choices. Anyone who doesn't enjoy this new media is still brainwashed by the "patriarchy." Once that programming is gone, they'll understand that all of this had to be done to right the historical wrongs.
5:45 Hilariously enough, I saw a take from a Twitter user (appropriately called Bad Writing Takes) that the show "reads like a right-wing RUclipsr's clumsy interpretation of what a diverse show is". The pure, unadulterated cope coming from the crowd that the show was quite literally tailor made for = pure poetry.
I don't believe that it is a right-wing troll, but it does feel like one to me. It is possible to make both progressive and good media (Archane, Get out, E,E,AAO), but Hollywood is only good at the former.
One of the two writers has 4 credits on IMDB as "assistant to Ms. Kaling." She has 3 writing credits for another show Kaling created that takes place at an upper class high school where the majority of the students are some shade of brown or yellow. I live outside a large US city, and the demographics I see on tv and commercials is not what I see when I am out and about.. I never see a group of 4 young friends where one is Black, one Hispanic, one Asian, and maybe a white female, but that seems to be every show now. In reality people tend to hang out with people that look like them! When casting is obviously so contrived, it makes me less interested in seeing it..
These are one of those shows that you think will be bad but somehow it's *worse* than you initially believed. Like, SHOCKINGLY so. You actually ask just *How* is this show so bad?
A compare and contrast series between the most facetiously PC version of a remake these guys can concoct pre-release, versus how the show presents when released would make a great watch.
Venture Bros did the basic concept of an adult Scooby-Doo parody: first, infinitely better, and without bastardizing the Scooby-Doo brand. Edit - two more examples: Scooby-Doo! Mystery, Inc. took the Scooby gang and put them in a show that was darker than anything not from the 90s movies, but the difference there was that they stayed true to the characters and were inserting love letters to everything that came before (Scrappy excluded) wherever they could, BECAUSE THEY LOVED SCOOBY-DOO. And Supernatural brought the Scooby gang into a real murder mystery, but all throughout that episode, again, they were never anything but respectful and loving toward the legacy of Scooby-Doo. It was heartwarming how Scooby-Doo was one of the bright lights in Dean's dumpster fire of a childhood, and how he was willing to edit his behavior out of respect.
I think most do ignore them and change has to come if they want to survive. They made us angry but for how long can we remain that way? A few YTers do our 'walk throughs' for us so far less watch shows than hate watched before. (This way is more entertaining). That's got to be biting by now & it takes them a few years to catch up. They've received our message on what they spewed out last year. These shows are the stragglers.
It's time Atlas Shrugged this one off for sure. Stop buying merch, stop watching this crap, get off the phones and giving them ad revenue. Read a book, touch grass, meet family, go to church.
"The few remaining men will exist as studs, breeding in the cow pasture. Or they could go off to the nearest souiicyde center where they'll be quietly gassed to d'eth."
With how everyone else got mangled (especially Fred) it's a miracle that Scooby got left out. With the way this show went they probably would have made him a cat.
they knew that would be a step too far. if they tried to mess with scooby himself who knows what may have happened to them. he is simply to beloved to be allowed in such trash
If I understand this show correctly (only watched 2 episodes) they would gender swap, call her Scoobie and turn her into a lesbian lioness. Which is, in this case, for this show, ironic because males and lesbians like females... So in this sense they are not that different, changed everything to keep it all the same... Which, again, fits the shows ''vision'' perfectly.
I get why they make these reboots so spiteful nowadays, it because these writers have no real freinds and crap on beloved shows / properties to spite everyone else because they haven't experienced real friendship or love
The only way they could have possibly made this show work is if it turned out that "velma" was actually an over-obsessed fan that patterned her look after the real velma and, through delusions, over-laid the other members of the mystery gang on to those closes to her. And this is all either just in her mind brought on by her drug dealer girlfriend and stoner male friend. Or She's psychotic and secretly blackmailing random people to dress up as a ghost for her and her friends to "solve" and unmask as the "villian".
How to pitch a show in 2023: “Hey do you know this older series everyone knows and loves?” “Well we are going to recreate it, but we are going to take one of the side characters make them a POC and homosexual.”
I saw the reruns in boomerang of the og, is impresive how the masses can perpetuate that the character were hollow and flanderised. They were not, tropey? Yes yet nuanced. Everyone had moment in each episode in being outsmarted, vulnerable, the problem solver or the one to get the pivotal clue to close the mystery. The power of the public discourse in twist something as harmless as a kids show to something great like religion, phylosophy and politics is outstanding. The issue is when the showrunners and writers believed their flanderization and made it real.
I think we need to start punishing everyone involved with shows like 'Velma.' _Everyone._ Writers, producers, actors, animators, musicians, even the Uber eats guy who delivers their lunch. What do I mean? Harassment? Threats? Flaming bags of Scooby Doos on their doorstep? Worse. Silence. That is their Kryptonite; social media blackout. Scan the credits and unsubscribe, unfollow, block every last name, everything short of throwing them down a well to be forgotten by the rest of the world. They need to be frozen out by the rest of humanity for even getting involved in this dogfudge. I'm not holding my breath but it's the only way of getting the message across. The studio heads aren't listening so in order to make the so-called 'talent' think twice about getting on board for bowl-stains like this, we have to make them suffer. I'm OK with that.
Yes!!! We so totally need to start to giving bad shows NO attention. But we have to have a few sacrifices in order to see if it is bad or good, THEN no media or talking about it, expect in highly private channels.
My girl was watching this, so I saw the opening monologue of the first episote. The show brilliantly shoots itself in both feet during the first 30 seconds, without even showing any characters, heheheh.
I think a serious problem in television/movies nowadays, is that there is very little subtlety… Everything has to be completely explicit and in your face. I think I would personally have a much easier time not completely hating these things if it wasn’t always so conspicuous. It’s like these “creators”, and I use the term VERY loosely, think of their audience as absolute morons. 🤷🏻♂️
Yeah. Thing is shows like this aren't really about entertainment in the first place, they're about the creators validating their sociopolitical beliefs whilst hoping to exploit that predictable process for career success. The creators make those beliefs explicit in their creation because they _want_ them to be the focal point of the public response, not the entertainment itself. Essentially they're communicating to their target audience "this is what I believe in, and if you believe it too then you should support this show." That way even if the show is garbage from an entertainment standpoint, it may still succeed for political reasons. And they often do succeed to a satisfactory degree in the short term as a result. Most of these types of shows will make it to a season 2 or 3 before being cancelled by whatever network or service is hosting them, and by then the original creators have used that momentum to move on to greener pastures. TL;DR: In a nutshell, it's cynically motivated virtue signalling. Well, I guess all virtue signalling is cynically motivated by definition, but this sort of thing is doubly so.
So let me get this straight: the nerdy girl is south Asian, the girl that knows karate is Asian, the stoner is black and the leader of the gang is white. Of all the un-leftist things that the woke shat out this has to be the best
I remember the dark theories of the past. Winnie the Pooh is for drugs, Fosters home was about Franky being autistic and dreaming the show. This thing look like that but worse. Also Scooby will probably end up be abused by the killer at the end of the show.
@@vladpiranha I can bet you if Scoob was even considered in this, he would be a Dalmation or something, or heck if they wanna make it even more bonkers - make him a human for no reason
The fact that it starts with cockroach sex and then velma hits daphne as hard as she can with a crowbar into a wall and it's laughed off as a joke, made me end it within five minutes even robot chicken took itself more serious than this
There's a line from one of the trailers w/ Black Shaggy that more or less boils down to him basically saying "drugs are bad"... and I just got to say that the only way you could probably enjoy Velma is if you actually _did_ drugs. If you're not high off your ass, then this show sucks said ass.
Norville is Shaggy's real name (Norville "Shaggy" Rogers). I think they dropped the nickname because they knew that nobody likes Mindy, and her race swap of Velma jitsu to service her self-insert was already going to piss people off. Race swapping half the cast, cutting Scooby, and making Fred incompetent (if you watch the old cartoons, he said a lot of traps and was almost as smart as Velma) means this isn't even Scooby-Doo. This show is an attempt to exploit an existing audience buy cashing in on a known intellectual property. Scooby-Doo was always a nonsensical, inoffensive cartoon four children. Mindy Kaling does not understand this. Nobody was asking for an adult version of Scooby-Doo that's hyper violent and sexualized. HBO sucks anymore. They let Miguel Sapochnik into HotD after he completely failed to direct the single most important episode of GoT. I'm so glad I cancelled my subscription a while back
Mindy Kaling's c.v.:
Father is a well-known architect, mother was a successful doctor
Grew up in the rich area of Cambridge, Massachusetts
Graduate Darmouth College (Ivy League) with a degree in playwriting (they have degrees in that?)
Immediately went to work in show business--never waitressed, never did housekeeping, never did an honest day's work in her life, just went from a rich suburb to a rich kids' school to a rich kids' idea of a job
And she can't write characters that are real, funny, and relatable?
Who could have seen that coming?
Oh and I bet she has alot to say abut privilege and oppression LOL
@@wmethshitlord3421 hahaha yes. I bet, she feels oppressed because PoC and woman. Why exactly? Doesn´t matter, as long enough people believe this shit
That's kinda weird because she was a decent writer in the Office
Her brother applied to med school pretending to be black to expose affirmative action.
@@Szpareq that's what we said about Rick and Morty
Then one of the writers made She Hulk.
Then we found out her biggest accomplishment was Pickle Rick and it all made sense
*pulls off mask*
"Systematic racism?!"
"I could have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for you strong, independent, diverse women!"
They would probably do a joke like this but find a convoluted way to ruin it with "clever" meta commentary
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"and your do....oh...huh I thought you had a dog....nevermind".
Alas, that would have been actually funny
🤣
If you want Latino representation, make Scooby a chihuahua.
that would be Scrappy
And instead of Scooby Snax, you could feed him spicy Doritos.
There's already a video like that on youtube and it's really good: "If scooby doo was latino"
😂😂😂
He could be the one from the Taco Bell ads "Yo quiero Taco Bell."
I'll always remember the Scooby Doo/Johnny Bravo crossover:
Velma: "My glasses! I can't see without my glasses!"
Johnny: "My glasses! I can't be seen without my glasses!"
Aunt jebedezah!
Omg I forgot about that 😂😂
Praying everyday that they don't touch Johnny Bravo 🙏
Ah the good old days of cartoon network, watching those today now is like throwing on a warm blanket in a snowstorm. It's nice to remember the good old days where Hollywood understood that they were selling a product. Hollywood nowadays just thinks it's entitled to our viewership.
Johnny Bravo needs a comeback tour.
I'm 100% convinced Velma was not originally a show about Scooby-Doo characters. Kaling had an idea for this exact same show but it was all original. She pitched it and everyone realized it was trash, but it has "good metrics". So they just slapped the S-D names and looks to the characters because they knew that would make people at least hate watch it.
Guaranteed...
Yeah you’re probably right honestly
She had an all original idea for shitty 'Daria?'
I like that term. 'Hate Watch'. Imma steal it.
That's the secret to not-success in Hollywood: if it fails on its own, slap it into a known franchise and at least get hate views and deflect any criticism with your diversity shields.
I saw leftists accusing Mindy of being right-winger who made this as a parody of lefty anti-comedy. That's right; it's so leftwing, the lefties are calling it rightwing.
It does feel like a parody of shit shows by being even worse
This is what happens when a particular set of politics is actually a religion.
They eat their own. Cannibalistic.
Say WHAT??? Oh & that’s gonna be their excuse as to why it’s so terrible, cuz it’s just a “right-wing troll job”. As if that would ever really be allowed.
"and when everyone's right ring no one will be"
This show is made for ONE person.
Mindy herself, that is it!
The Woke people don’t even like these Woke shows why does Hollywood makes these?? The Woke lefties are even complaining the new little mermaid doesn’t have enough representation. Why is Hollywood producing these if literally no one likes this stuff.
Yup. I hated her in the office and this is 100% like her character in the office. But once again minorities take a good thing in America and ruin it. No one should be surprised how this show turned out
Well Mindy and man-child fanfic writers who have 0 hobbies and are into weird stuff.
Bro, why the red hair is na ked?
@@jus_sanguinis That scene took place in the girls locker room, where all the girls (except Velma) had been showering. It was after this scene that I HAD to turn it off.
A quote from Mindy Kaling why they race swapped Velma:
"We were really inspired by Into the Spider-Verse - it's animation, we can do anything. The essence of Velma is not necessarily tied to her whiteness. And I identify so much as her character, and I think so many people do, so it's like, yeah, let's make her Indian in this series."
The narcissism. I'm voicing her so she's gotta be like meeeeeeeee. There was also some other quote where she says Velma has always been a LGBT icon. No she hasn't. It was just a stupid joke everyone made back in the day based on the fact she was a frumpy nerdy chick, like how people joked about Shaggy being a stoner. She wasn't written/created to actually be gay.
This quote is so frustrating to me! "'We were really INSPIRED by Into the Spider-Verse...'" Yeah, no kidding. They saw a popular character get race-bent and watched Sony's profits skyrocket. InSpIrAtIoN! Meanwhile Miles Morales is popular because he's not just Peter Parker repainted, he was given his own personality, drives, and arc.
And the movie was great because the animation wasn't cheap and flat. "It's animation, we can do anything..." So you choose this pseudo-anime mess of flat colors and weak outlines? Good job! Into the Spider-Verse played with cinematography, dimension, and art styles, but go off.
Honestly, I'd watch a cartoon called "Mindy Kaling: Paranormal Detective". Actually sounds hilarious and the cynicism would fit right in. Like, if she wanted to make this a self-insert, just own it, she's famous enough!
(Sorry for the tl;dr)
Yeah that b*tch straight SUCKS! Not shocked by such a dumb, narcissistic statement from her. But this $hit show of hers ain’t going nowhere. Don’t know anyone who claims to like her.
When you think about it making Velma an actual lesbian is gross stereotyping. It is like say a male character is gay because he wears pink t shirts and has a Freddie Mercury mustache. It also completely ignores every other version of Scooby-Doo where Velma is explicitly straight.
Velma is not a super hero identity. Velma is Velma.
Hang on I'm translating her quote," I wanted Velma to be like me because I wanted to feel important so I just made her character me".
"You may remember her as the most annoying character from the Office." Yep, that's exactly how I remember her.
Scooby-Doo's crossover with Johnny Bravo was comedy gold.
Velma: "My glasses! I can't see without my glasses!"
Johnny: "My glasses! I can't be seen without my glasses!"
This is the 2nd time I've seen this point. While a good one, I would prefer something new.
To clarify:
- Fred has no control of situations, hasn't hit puberty and is a man-baby 1%(entitled, can do anything for himself and ignores anyone who doesn't keep his goldfish attention span.)
- Daphne sells drugs to hire an investigator to find her real parents, but hangs out with the popular girls. (Her drugs are named after show inserts. Also has lesbian cop foster parents. Isn't rich, but hustling)
- Norville has a stream where he recommends snacks, is a per episode hobbyist, and drives a station wagon.(which the vehicle looks like the one from that 70's show) Which happens to be stoner favorites. He doesn't have the police family background and acts like Todd from Bojack Horseman with less fun.
- Velma jumps to conclusions, hypochondriac and has trauma from a vague family member leaving. Acts like Daria without a soul and it's bad...
All because Thanos snapped Scooby out of existence.
Also by episode 2 Velma and Daphne catch feelings & make out. Norville shares his feelings and Velma laughed at him ...
Good luck ...
HBO max subscription charged an extra $1 a month for shows like this...(14.99-15.99)
Daria didn't have a soul and somehow seems slightly less drivel filled than this show.
@@cavalierliberty6838 oh she had one by the end of the series, but I agree Daria was miles better than this.
@@cavalierliberty6838 Daria is great show if you watch it. If you watch just random clips it doesn't make much sense.
They should have just created their own show. literally all of those descriptions are 100% not even close to what the 70's show was about. Shaggy never even drove the van.
@@greatleader4841 later versions made the mystery machine owned by shaggy but he lost his license so he gave it to fred.
This is the same spiteful, soulless, snarky, 'totally meta and modern' adaption we have been given before but this one appears to be especially egregious because Scooby-Doo is a loved series and has never been this mean-spirited.
It's not about money or creating. It's about slandering the existing IP to the extreme.
Like vandalizing historical art, but they have permission from the museum.
If all art is ug|y, than all art is "equally beautiful."
Yeah, Scooby-Doo is especially sacred to almost every generation. If there was any franchise they should have absolutely avoided putting through the cynical/subversive/"for modern audiences" grinder, its Scooby-Doo.
Thank you, well put.
It literally started losing its spirit once WB took over. Lookit "What's new Scooby Doo".
There’s a gaslighting element to it: “This is what people want now. Maybe YOU’RE the problem.”
I'm a Nigerian born in the early 90s. I remember when my dad bought satellite TV and the first cartoon I saw on Cartoon network was Scooby Doo. I'd never forget that experience. This show is an insult to our memories
Same
its was on local tv too cant remember which channel as i left Naija long ago...that's where i 1st saw Scooby-Doo along other hanna Barbara cartoons
Goodluck in Nigeria - South African in the US presently and Nigeria seems rough right now....
Also agree.
I love this comment.
That's the point. They want to replace everything. That's the incentive, not money.
The Drinker asked the best question: Who is this show for?
The writers. It's how they see things or want things to be. These are really bad people.
Mindy is the definition of privilege. She grew up upper class, went to an ivy league college & never had to struggle to get where where she is. She made Velma herself insert but this version of Fred is actually her.
I'm an animator that applied to work on this show a few years ago. I'm glad I wasn't called back.
Lucked out.
The art style is as ugly as the showrunners
Dodged a bullet there
You just dodged a tactical nuke.
They didn't call you back? That means you were probably competent.
For a series that are being made to ‘combat stereotypes’, the amount of stereotypes in this series are baffling enough to me😂
They do not and never will understand stereotypes, tropes or logic.
It's sexist and racist
Call it out for what it is
Considering the writer co-director and lead actress Mindy came from a rich family, went to an Ivy League college then immediately got a job in acting once she graduated? I'm not surprised 🤣 the woman hasn't had a hard day in her life and it SHOWS
@@yetanotherspuart3993 you’re right. They can’t even tell the difference between a man and a woman these days and we’re expecting them to understand some form of logic?🤣
@@ironpulcinella3586 I thought we’re the ones that are sexist, racist, and even homophobic for not liking the series in general 😂
The original scooby doo was already super progressive and family friendly. Fred was the leader but not the smartest, he brought everyone together and was friends with all kinds of people. Daphnie was the pretty girl but she wasnt dumb, she helped and was friends with everyone. Velma was the smart girl, everyone really liked for being herself. She wasnt ugly or mean, I always thought her and Shaggy were a thing. Shaggy was the stoner who most people would dismiss but he was super friendly and smart too and helped everyone. Scooby was his best friend and despite being a big dog was harmless but also coursgeous when he needed to be. The whole show was about different types of people getting along. It was for KIDS to tell them they could do great things working together with everyone.
The so called progressive today make everything about themselves and project their bitterness onto kids. By trying to make everything super diverse they just reinforce sterotypes or create new ones and dump on everything they personally dont like. Its amazing how racist and bigoted some of their stuff can be and they have no idea or maybe they do, its way worse than anything from the 1950s. And they wonder why so many kids are in therapy and on drugs, its probably the garbage theyre watch in modern media.
Imagine how racist one has to be to do this to scooby doo, one of the most chill and harmless shows ever lol and someone watches it and thinks nope, too white, gotta fix it 😂
@@ΑναστάσιοςΠαπαζαχαρίου Race never had anything to do with scooby. Same thing with the jetsons. They were ptobably all the same color intentionally so as not to create stereotypes. Both the good guys and the bad guys behind the masks were always white if i recall correctly. Pretty sure Velma was actually very pretty too when Daphnie helped her with different clothes in an episode, i think she just wore a frumpy sweater and had glasses, glasses used to indicate intelligence in cartoons. She wasnt obese, just about everyone back then was in better shape than today. But yeah, lets promote unhealthy habbits so a ton of kids have obesity and health issues and never fall in love and start a family. Sexuality doesnt belong in childresns programming. These people have problems and need to look in the mirror and work on their own issues before poisoning young minds.
Here! Here! Extremely well said! I’ve been thinking the same thing since I heard about this show & how God-Awful it sounded. Mainly for all the same $hit you mentioned, these characters were ALL just a bunch of different yet very friendly individuals with big hearts who always meant well. This new crap looks soooooooo LAME!! Especially with the race switch on Velma. Stupid & unnecessary which I suppose the dictionary people will change the definition of the word “progressive” some time in the near future. Good luck to you.
I hate this show too, but do you really think this is "way worse" than segregation?
They actually genuinely want to ruin the kids’ childhoods and make them go to therapy or use drugs. That’s the sad truth about modern Hollywood and all, sick bastards indeed
You know, back when I was 4, sitting in my one-piece zip-up jammies, nervously watching to make sure Scooby gets away from the monster-of-the-lake as his paws briefly make blurred circles before he gets traction, I can say that I was also VERY interested to know if Velma munched the rug.
So this new show should complete the story nicely.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Closure at last.
ROFL, perfection.
What was so great about Scooby Doo was how race, sexuality, etc wasn't even a part of the conversation. It was just about a group of friends solving mysteries and crazy adventures. Velma went the complete opposite direction and defined everyone by every superficial trait they could think of.
hell look at all the movies where scooby and the gang went to other countries. there were no stereotypes and the cultures got treated with a good dose of respect. this velma trash would never be able to do that
That doesn’t fit with woke.. you’ve got to focus on race all the time now
Is it though? Because the only discussions about race/sexuality I've seen so far have been from comment warriors. Maybe I missed the part of the trailer where Velma was like, "God I love being any race but white."
@@rafetizer is the word "subtext" familiar to you?
@@HereTakeAFlower just don't watch it, jesus. you guys seem to think EVERY TV show should cater to you. no one is the target audience of everything, as much as disney might like to believe.
Velma: a scooby don't show.
Don't show, don't watch simple as
"Scooby Don't" should totally be a trending way to refer to this series.
Scooby Dooby Dooooon't!
@@David-qi1ys Scooby Dooby Do Not Want!
It's very clear that Mindy Kaling wanted to create her own show but later decided slap the Scooby Doo skin on it so it wouldn't be rejected
Sjws have not one ounce of creativity, so they bastardize established franchises
She's an established *female* writer/actress...and a *minority* too. My quick math indicates about a 0.0% chance that her show was going to be rejected. Except by audiences...
But didn't she already made her own show?
So, it's the Scooby Doo version of Rings of Power. A terrible pardon wearing the source materials as a skin suit.
🎯 Scooby snack for you 🍪
This show was worse than anything I could've imagined.
Or maybe "This show failed to live up to even my lowest expectations"?
They made a show so progressive it became racist. It was actually amazing to see this, like a train wreck driven by clowns.
So it was better than you thought it would be
@@shadow4002 Remember the black lives matter commercial of pepsi? I think it's a better representation of race than most of the media today. And that's sad
Your days of underestimating them have certainly come to a middle.
Fred is a genius when it comes to solving crimes and devising ingenious traps. He is not a dumb idiot
7:59 “I’m watching this with my wife and her friend” has depths we didn’t fully appreciate when we first heard it.
They made a Scooby Doo show without anything that made the franchise so popular and loved
Guess they hire people that hate the source material everywhere these days. What a peculiar trend.
@@nomercy8989 Maybe hating the source material is a pre-requisite for these posts ?
@@nomercy8989 It's an idiotic one. Granted, Scooby Doo isn't "high art", but subverting it doesn't welcome the built-in audience.
Can you call it a Scooby Doo show when Scooby Doo doesn't exist in its universe?
It’s not about money, it’s about sending “The message”.
They even made Velma and Daphne lesbians. This is beyond parody.
Of course they did lol
The whole "Velma being a lesbian" thing is retarded. There's even a fucking scooby doo song about her crushing on a author she likes. "
I don’t remember Daphne being a lesbian in the first episode but maybe it’s coming later. She has 2 moms though
I feel like this show is so bad it somehow checked boxes that don't even exist yet.
@@Mightyjordy Of course she does 😂
JUST TO BE CLEAR: Kaling has a writing credit on 28 episodes of The Office, but none as the sole writer--and you get a credit if you write even one line of dialogue.
95% of those scripts were written by others and the scant contribution Kaling made was heavily re-written by others.
Kaling famously hated the Kevin chilli skit and tried to get it canned from the show. Which ended up being one of the funniest scenes of all time.
She mostly wrote for her own character and she was very good at making her character of person. She might have been the ethically worst person on the show until they wrecked Andy, perfect for her scummy boyfriend. Of course, now she finds all of her work on the office of problem so....
@Monad he embarrassed his ancestry, by dropping that chili.
It hurts me to watch it.
Just to be clear: so she made minor contributions to an adaptation of a british show rewritten for US audiences by others...which somehow qualifies her to be showrunner of a major legacy IP?
Do you know this for a fact or just applying logic? It seems true.
they easily could have made a more adult Scooby-doo with violence, horror or mature mysteries to solve and this was the best thing they could come up with
Do a third film with the cast of the live action films and have it take place when they are pushing 50. That might be somewhat interesting.
@@Paulafan5 "Where are they now" It'd probably do well.
But that takes effort & creativity something they have a complete lack of when it comes to modern media
@@Paulafan5 I would honestly 100% watch and support that movie, I loved the movies growing up and come to appreciate them for the satire/secretly adult movies they are especially the first one but I would 100% love to see a reunion third movie
there was one like that it was scooby doo mystery incorporated. it was much more adult and serious then scooby had every really been up to that point.
I remember when the worst thing to happen to Scooby Do was "Scrappy".
A reboot for “Modern Audiences” that sucks and fans of the character hate it?
“YOU DON’T SAY”
Blah blah blah, we've heard both them and you before
I expect the same from that 90s show.
@@Imperials3nate They’re not wrong tho
@@chasehedges6775 YES, but they're hardly doing anything
@@codybellanca6852 Oh yeah, that shows a thing. Totally forgot that was coming out until I saw its poster appear on Netflix
I think we owe Scrappy Doo a apology he is not the worst thing to happen to Scooby Doo
Scrappy was a saint compared to this. Even jar jar from star wars wasn't as bad compared to stuff kathleen kennedy has done post disney star wars.
Yeah... Scrappy has been dethroned as the worst thing to happen to Scooby Doo.
And that includes the 2010s crap.
Reminds me how the collective internet realized that the star wars prequel trilogy "wasn't as bad as we thought" after watching the sequel trilogy :P
I still kill him in my dreams 😡
@@NeroLeMorte
Jar Jar wasn’t really in it that much,the films were a bit shite anyway,whereas Scooby
Doo is a classic that Scrappy pooped all over.
Drinker, ya missed the best part. They're complaining that all the villains are white, saying they need POC representation in that role... especially since if they did do just that, they would then complain that a POC is the villain...
😂🤣
Heads the Narcissist wins, tails the Narcissist wins.
Right?!?!
Omg why are there so many white villains
*Swaps their race*
Omg like it's so racist that you would make a black dude the villain of the show
*Swaps them back*
Wow so much white privilege
*Sends them to a third world country that doesn't have freedom of speech*
I find it offensive that *gets shot for being a speaking woman*
An actor whose name escapes me atm was lamenting this trend, because he wants to try out a villain role, but nobody is casting POC as villains anymore
Exactly. The key thing with wokeness is to lock everyone into an eternal loop where literally everything offends you.
I'm glad you brought up Daria as a better example of how a smart, sarcastic female character can be written. Having watched the show back on MTV when it aired and on DVD now, I liked that the writers never made Daria the "precious cinnamonroll that never gets called out for her crap" kind of character. Throughout the show, Daria was confronted by her family, her best friend, classmates and other characters for her views and actions, and there were moments that Daria had a change of heart or acknowledged that she didn't have all the answers or was right 100% of the time. So by the end of the show, Daria was not the same character as she was in the beginning.
Unfortunately, I don't have much hope in the writing for Velma's character or for this show. I guess we'll have to wait and see what the show writers do.
it brings me so much joy to see how awful it is currently doing. no better feeling than getting to see horrible ideas fail.
Schadenfreude.
I had no idea about this show's existence, but after learning about it on RUclips, I knew I had to listen to the Drinker make fun of it.
You know a comedy is bad when the trailer doesn’t make you laugh. That is usually where they put the best jokes
When people say "Oh it's a prequel to Scooby-Doo!" I remember we ALREADY HAD a prequel cartoon back in the late 80s-early 90s called "A Pup Named Scooby-Doo" that shows the gang as children and Scooby as a puppy already friends with Shaggy. Shaggy, Scooby, and Velma were all pretty much the same as kids as they are when they grew up.
Not only that, but we also had the 2013 Mystery Incorporated show. While I personally wasn't too fond of it when I first saw it, it does serve as a better prequel than this Velma show seems to be.
Unrelated, but a pup named scooby doo had a kick ass opening song. Check it out reader if you ever get the chance
So do Velma and Norville get the Michael Jackson surgery before the original show?
@@EvilDoresh what 🥴
@@Lodocihel If it's a prequel there needs to be an explanation as to where White Velma and Shaggy come from.
The race swapping of Velma is easily one of the dumbest because I'm fairly certain Dinkley isn't a common Indian name. Also, the amount of people claiming Velma is an LGBTXYZ◇♡♤ "icon" and always has been is ridiculous because it was never even hinted at before now.
It's all audiences projecting onto the character. Same thing with Wednesday Addams. It's just happened that a lot girls who grew up to become lesbians projected themselves onto her, and then are upset when the character doesn't conform to their internal narrative
Velma had a thing for Shaggy later on.
I have no problem with velma being a lesbian.
But she did date shaggy. So depending on the time you place a show she doesn't realize it yet
@@fabi3790 Based on the first episode, Kaling's Velma claims to like men and women. But I never cared which sex Velma liked! I admired her as the brain of the gang.
@@RanMouri82 true
I also don't really care what sexuality
She can be homo, hetero or ace
But that shouldn't be her character
There was a Scooby Doo episode on the show Supernatural. It was funny, tongue in cheek, and obviously made with a love of the genre. It worked also in part because the Scooby Doo model is repeated in a plethora of shows over the decades, including Supernatural.
Loved that episode lol Dean was proper in his element 😂
This show was obviously not a Scooby Doo show. Its a completely different story that has nothing to do with Scooby Doo, but then the production company hired the writer to make a Scooby Doo show. So she changed the names of some of her characters and presented her teenage fan fic as an actual show.
Mindy said she wanted to be Velma, ‘nuffzed.
I mean, it's not like they would've cared about established lore and characterizations.
Yep, they only use the Scooby-Doo name for its recognition to draw people in to watch...because otherwise no one would
@@clogs4956 then she should have written a story about her being Velma. Not a story about some black lesbian in a high-school murder mystery, who happens to also have the name "Velma" but doesn't look, act, talk, or think like Velma.
For example, if you took an episode of Scooby Doo, any episode, then changed the title to something like Ruby Row, velma to be a black woman called "Mindy", shaggy to a black guy called "Norbert", Daphne to an Asian woman called "Woo", Fred to "Brad" and Scooby to "Ruby". You'd be called out for copyright infringement because it is obviously still Scooby Doo but with different names.
However, if you took this show and changed their names, it is so far from the original source material, not a lawyer on Earth could argue it is infringing on Scooby Doo. It doesn't even have the dog in it.
@@davitto01 INDIAN lesbian.
The show could redeem itself if the og Scooby-Doo gang comes in at the end, captures these imposters and then do the classic "now well see who you really are" and rip off their skin masks
lol, I was just kind of thinking that, this isn't the real Scooby-Doo, this show is an imposter.
That’s way to clever for these A-Holes.
And it's like AOC, Prince Harry, Barrack Obama, and so on. lol
One of the things that made 'Daria' great was that she was called out on her snarkiness; she wasn't always in the right and other people got to shine too - even Quinn had her moments.
Modern shows have the self-insert just being right all the time and everyone else treated like crap.
And don't forget Helen Morgendorffer's armor-piercing wit!
For a prime example of this bad habit, see that dreck Netflix version of Wednesday Addams.
@@gabbycotto4024 That show is overrated and doesn’t deserve the praise it’s getting. Her character is so inconsistent and yeah she’s being written as another “not like other girls” stereotype.
She also wanted to be a good person, and had a conscience.
The day they reboot Daria is the day I end my life. She was one of my favourite cartoon characters, and I got my sarcasm and deadpan reactions from her. I'd hate to see her become self absorbed and toxic
Mindy built a claymore mine of a cartoon show, pointed it herself and stepped on the trigger wire. The explosion has been beautiful.
What really sucks is that I can’t flex my scooby doo street cred anymore since the Shaggy in the show is called by his actual first name Norville.
I saw clips of this show on Twitter. They make Fred so pathetic, Velma defends him in court by saying he's too fucking stupid to be a murderer. And proceeds to give him a steak and have the court watch as the poor bastard tries and fails to eat it.
This is after he saved her life by intercepting a flying paper cutter mid-air and yeeting it away from her.
Wtf
@@crazychase98 This after Velma has a paper cutter yeeted at her, Fred CATCHES IT MIDAIR LIKE A FUCKING CHAD, and throws it away. Either he threw it super hard or the blade was that absurdly sharp, but it slices off a guy's leg when Fred threw it away.
So he saved her life, and still gets dunked on.
@@anthonysaylor8120
When I saw that moment in the trailer I thought "Maybe they'll make him insufferable at first, but when the time comes he'll reveal himself to be a dependable guy".
Giving this show any benefit of the doubt was a mistake.
Oh Drinker, wait until you see the actual show, you'll need the alcohol
Need to empty 2 bottles before even watching it.
@@mikkelnpetersen Also this is like the third Mindy Kaling show where the protagonist is a self insert of Mindy Kaling
Take a drink every time the characters actively diverge from the original characters for no other point than to not be the original. You will not survive the night.
Don’t forget the Toilet Duck chaser.
Does that much alcohol exist?
Literally within the first 2 minutes you're hit with identity politics..
2 minutes, you made it THAT far? 😲
Thank you for sacrificing your time and sanity so that we wouldn’t.
When are they going to understand that we want to be entertained not lectured 🙄
The question of "who is this for" could apply to practically every "adult" cartoon nowadays. The humor is something only a toddler would laugh at but that's also paired with unnecessary amounts of gore that only adults can watch.
The gore isn’t usually that much. I would describe it as toddler humor with extreme sexuality. The only time those types of shows are funny is when you’re a kid, and you’re watching it without your parents knowing.
Yeah... I've never liked Adult Swim or anything of the type for that very reason. Because it just wasn't made for me or anyone who isn't a garbage human being!
This is why certain genres of anime are having a major resurgence. Interesting stories (comparatively), no “message,” normal gender roles. And in many cases, based.
I’m 28 years old and I grew up seeing almost all the scooby doo shows and movies. Always had a good time and enjoyed it. When I first saw the trailer for Velma, my first thought was why is she so brown? Then it hit me….
THE MESSAGE
I find it funny (read: pathetic) how they make a cartoon "targeting mature audience" and deliver a naked Daphne... but still hide the strategic parts with soap bubbles because they still feel it somewhere inside how wrong this whole situation is.
I stumbled upon what I would describe as at most, an "R" rated erotic anime on HBOMAX a couple years ago. It had lots of breasts and "pantsu", as you would expect from an erotic Japanese anime, but get this...HBOMAX literally blurred out some of the non-nude scenes if they deemed the camera shot as to close.
There are already X-Rated Scooby Doo’s for mature audiences - They’re much more fun than this sh*t, because they know they’re parodies & don’t take themselves seriously!
It would actually make sense that this Velma is so deep in her own cool aid narcissism, that every caricature is just her perception of everybody else but everybody else is just a normal person. It mirrors the writers level of out-of-touchness perfectly.
Not without precedence. The original leaves you to imagine whether the dog really talks, (only Shaggy seems to understand him) or the ghosts appear as convincing as you originally see them.
@@FusionAero That's cause they're on Scooby-Snacks
It's so damn weird how they insist on changing old established characters, instead of making NEW ones. Lazy, and disrespectful to the fans 100%
It is because they have not lived lives to draw inspirations from for new characters. All they have is the shows they watched that they could “make better”
They are PARASITES.
@@SirCanuckelhead That and the inserted activism.
A couple years ago some friends and I were talking about old cartoons and I foolishly said something along the lines of, "Man, I kinda wish Scooby-Do would come back but the characters were older and dealt with a more mature crimes and mysteries. Kinda like a private detective show solving murders and stuff."
Little did I know the Monkey's Paw would curl that day.
In all honesty, I don't hink that wish came true, because Mindy contains NOTHING like that (not trying to be critical, just humorous).
Velma is Mindy Kayling’s fantasy revenge on all the people that picked on her in high school.
Sounds about right, really
"My glasses, my glasses, I can't see without my glasses" and being a nerd is Velma's entire character.
How could they f this up. SMH.
I think Velma not being able to find her glasses because she can't see them is a classic way to introduce kids to the concept of irony
How does she keep getting work? She's of the right identity and has the right politics in Hollywood. Simple as that. With ESG and all, Hollywood doesn't care about making popular stuff or making money, only about "the message".
Even if people treat ESG investors like a bottomless pit, none ever is. People/companies take turns in being super rich but as an oldie I've seen them come and go. They invest in one too many things that lose money and they invariably collapse. If the current lot keep propping up the US entertainment industry and no bugger's watching their offerings it will bite in the end. You have to earn money to make money and Hollywood rarely does that atm.
Wdym she's Left- she's everything wrong with society and Hollywood! You need glasses
@@ironpulcinella3586 I think they mean “right” as in “correct” or “acceptable”.
Seems like the point is to just openly ruin stuff. I don't think there is an actual target audience in mind, they just want to ruin stuff the people they hate hold dear.
they are the audience. this is psychological therapy
yes, (((they))) are
Agreed. I think that Mindy Kaling's entire purpose to make the show was just to troll the fans and incite outrage. I guess if that was her goal, then it worked.
It has to be destroyed, not just left behind. Everything that was made before they got there has been created by the "white patriarchy" and, therefore, is fundamental bad. The only reason people enjoyed the older stuff is that they didn't know better and weren't offered the correct choices. Anyone who doesn't enjoy this new media is still brainwashed by the "patriarchy." Once that programming is gone, they'll understand that all of this had to be done to right the historical wrongs.
5:45 Hilariously enough, I saw a take from a Twitter user (appropriately called Bad Writing Takes) that the show "reads like a right-wing RUclipsr's clumsy interpretation of what a diverse show is". The pure, unadulterated cope coming from the crowd that the show was quite literally tailor made for = pure poetry.
I don't believe that it is a right-wing troll, but it does feel like one to me. It is possible to make both progressive and good media (Archane, Get out, E,E,AAO), but Hollywood is only good at the former.
One of the two writers has 4 credits on IMDB as "assistant to Ms. Kaling." She has 3 writing credits for another show Kaling created that takes place at an upper class high school where the majority of the students are some shade of brown or yellow. I live outside a large US city, and the demographics I see on tv and commercials is not what I see when I am out and about.. I never see a group of 4 young friends where one is Black, one Hispanic, one Asian, and maybe a white female, but that seems to be every show now. In reality people tend to hang out with people that look like them! When casting is obviously so contrived, it makes me less interested in seeing it..
To quote the theme song…”Scooby dooby doo, where are you?”
Sooo true. Where are you, Scooby Doo?
Mindy is undeniable proof that when you hit the wall, the wall hits back!
She’s terrible
That’s physics, Newton’s 3rd law of motion.
These are one of those shows that you think will be bad but somehow it's *worse* than you initially believed. Like, SHOCKINGLY so. You actually ask just *How* is this show so bad?
I pretty much said the same thing in my comment. The trailer was sooooooo bad and somehow its actually far worse
@@TwistedReality13 yet another famous ip falls to this mental madness of the modern era of entertainment. God fucking dammit
@@tobluetoblack Wacky Races next, unless that's already been rear-ended ??!!
Because they HATE YOU.
I don’t think we could come up with a worse show if all of us here actually tried to
A compare and contrast series between the most facetiously PC version of a remake these guys can concoct pre-release, versus how the show presents when released would make a great watch.
Venture Bros did the basic concept of an adult Scooby-Doo parody: first, infinitely better, and without bastardizing the Scooby-Doo brand.
Edit - two more examples:
Scooby-Doo! Mystery, Inc. took the Scooby gang and put them in a show that was darker than anything not from the 90s movies, but the difference there was that they stayed true to the characters and were inserting love letters to everything that came before (Scrappy excluded) wherever they could, BECAUSE THEY LOVED SCOOBY-DOO.
And Supernatural brought the Scooby gang into a real murder mystery, but all throughout that episode, again, they were never anything but respectful and loving toward the legacy of Scooby-Doo. It was heartwarming how Scooby-Doo was one of the bright lights in Dean's dumpster fire of a childhood, and how he was willing to edit his behavior out of respect.
I enjoy hearing people complain about the state of entertainment more than the actual entertainment.
The next step is to ignore them.
I think most do ignore them and change has to come if they want to survive. They made us angry but for how long can we remain that way? A few YTers do our 'walk throughs' for us so far less watch shows than hate watched before. (This way is more entertaining). That's got to be biting by now & it takes them a few years to catch up. They've received our message on what they spewed out last year. These shows are the stragglers.
It's time Atlas Shrugged this one off for sure. Stop buying merch, stop watching this crap, get off the phones and giving them ad revenue. Read a book, touch grass, meet family, go to church.
Mindy Kaling's Velma just makes me think of that one episode of The Venture Bros, except played unironically.
Only yours is the hand of the master, the sword of Michael.
"The few remaining men will exist as studs, breeding in the cow pasture. Or they could go off to the nearest souiicyde center where they'll be quietly gassed to d'eth."
With how everyone else got mangled (especially Fred) it's a miracle that Scooby got left out. With the way this show went they probably would have made him a cat.
Or a tiny chihuahua!😂
they knew that would be a step too far. if they tried to mess with scooby himself who knows what may have happened to them. he is simply to beloved to be allowed in such trash
They made him a vegan dog and he died of starvation before filming could start.
@@wishingwell12345
Lol. Yeah. People who force their dogs to be vegans are f**king abusive.
If I understand this show correctly (only watched 2 episodes) they would gender swap, call her Scoobie and turn her into a lesbian lioness. Which is, in this case, for this show, ironic because males and lesbians like females... So in this sense they are not that different, changed everything to keep it all the same... Which, again, fits the shows ''vision'' perfectly.
Let’s not forget, they’re high schoolers (15 at the least), writer and artists are essentially creating cp
I get why they make these reboots so spiteful nowadays, it because these writers have no real freinds and crap on beloved shows / properties to spite everyone else because they haven't experienced real friendship or love
Velma is even twerking.
Like she hulk.
💀
Are they still teenagers in this show? Bc that's pretty on-brand
The only way they could have possibly made this show work is if it turned out that "velma" was actually an over-obsessed fan that patterned her look after the real velma and, through delusions, over-laid the other members of the mystery gang on to those closes to her. And this is all either just in her mind brought on by her drug dealer girlfriend and stoner male friend.
Or
She's psychotic and secretly blackmailing random people to dress up as a ghost for her and her friends to "solve" and unmask as the "villian".
you know actually that would make for a great story
"I'm Scooby Dooby Done." - Solid JJ
Scooby doo was just Shaggy hallucinating on drugs this whole time.
This time he allucinated so hard he now think he is black.
How to pitch a show in 2023:
“Hey do you know this older series everyone knows and loves?”
“Well we are going to recreate it, but we are going to take one of the side characters make them a POC and homosexual.”
It doesn't look awful. Everything about it is awful.
"Ehh. She had fat-girl potential."
That's the funniest shit I've heard all week.
I saw the reruns in boomerang of the og, is impresive how the masses can perpetuate that the character were hollow and flanderised. They were not, tropey? Yes yet nuanced. Everyone had moment in each episode in being outsmarted, vulnerable, the problem solver or the one to get the pivotal clue to close the mystery. The power of the public discourse in twist something as harmless as a kids show to something great like religion, phylosophy and politics is outstanding. The issue is when the showrunners and writers believed their flanderization and made it real.
I think we need to start punishing everyone involved with shows like 'Velma.' _Everyone._ Writers, producers, actors, animators, musicians, even the Uber eats guy who delivers their lunch. What do I mean? Harassment? Threats? Flaming bags of Scooby Doos on their doorstep? Worse. Silence. That is their Kryptonite; social media blackout. Scan the credits and unsubscribe, unfollow, block every last name, everything short of throwing them down a well to be forgotten by the rest of the world. They need to be frozen out by the rest of humanity for even getting involved in this dogfudge. I'm not holding my breath but it's the only way of getting the message across. The studio heads aren't listening so in order to make the so-called 'talent' think twice about getting on board for bowl-stains like this, we have to make them suffer. I'm OK with that.
Yes!!! We so totally need to start to giving bad shows NO attention. But we have to have a few sacrifices in order to see if it is bad or good, THEN no media or talking about it, expect in highly private channels.
My girl was watching this, so I saw the opening monologue of the first episote. The show brilliantly shoots itself in both feet during the first 30 seconds, without even showing any characters, heheheh.
This hurts alot seeing what they did to scooby doo it was proubably my favorite early to mid childhood show
I think a serious problem in television/movies nowadays, is that there is very little subtlety… Everything has to be completely explicit and in your face. I think I would personally have a much easier time not completely hating these things if it wasn’t always so conspicuous. It’s like these “creators”, and I use the term VERY loosely, think of their audience as absolute morons. 🤷🏻♂️
Thank you SO much! You're one of the few sane people on our side of the war on "woke".
Yeah. Thing is shows like this aren't really about entertainment in the first place, they're about the creators validating their sociopolitical beliefs whilst hoping to exploit that predictable process for career success. The creators make those beliefs explicit in their creation because they _want_ them to be the focal point of the public response, not the entertainment itself. Essentially they're communicating to their target audience "this is what I believe in, and if you believe it too then you should support this show." That way even if the show is garbage from an entertainment standpoint, it may still succeed for political reasons.
And they often do succeed to a satisfactory degree in the short term as a result. Most of these types of shows will make it to a season 2 or 3 before being cancelled by whatever network or service is hosting them, and by then the original creators have used that momentum to move on to greener pastures.
TL;DR: In a nutshell, it's cynically motivated virtue signalling. Well, I guess all virtue signalling is cynically motivated by definition, but this sort of thing is doubly so.
Everything is activism, masquerading as some moral of a story.
@@yewtewbstew547 And gruuming! Don't forget the gruuming. :)
Nothing will beat 'A Pup named Scooby-Doo Doo' now that was my shit growing up. 👌
Red Herring
@@docholliday7226 What red herring Mr. Huckleberry?
Remember the red head kid named Red Herring? Fred accused him of being the bad guy in every single show and it was never him.
@@docholliday7226 I can't believe I forgot about him, I could've sworn he was an actual suspect in one episode or maybe I'm remembering wrong again.
@@GojiraRising Yeah I have no idea why I remembered him lol oh it would've been cool if he was the actual bad guy
So let me get this straight: the nerdy girl is south Asian, the girl that knows karate is Asian, the stoner is black and the leader of the gang is white.
Of all the un-leftist things that the woke shat out this has to be the best
“I really identified with Velma when I was a kid. So we made her Indian, so fans could finally identify with her!”
I remember the dark theories of the past. Winnie the Pooh is for drugs, Fosters home was about Franky being autistic and dreaming the show. This thing look like that but worse. Also Scooby will probably end up be abused by the killer at the end of the show.
shock twist, the real killer is MIndy!
Its funny how in trying to be diverse characters are more and more stereotypes
Mindy Kaling is not a clown, she is the entire circus entertainment.
Entertainment? Only in a "throw popcorn at the stage and boo" kind of way
She's a circus? Nah, circuses are fun and entertaining.
nah she the star in a greek tragedy lets hope she gets the customary ending!
This is another example of something you wish you could unsee but you can't
"The sex lives of college girls"
We have words for those kinds of women, but for decency lets just call them garden tools.
I'm tired of every post-2017 Hollywood show making female characters either lesbians or misandrist girl bosses. If not both at once.
Anyone want the alternative universe where James Gunn’s original Scooby Doo script wasn’t butchered?
It would have been the same
Gunn's protecting Ezra Miller. He shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the IP.
No. It would've been something on par with this just with better music.
James Gunn? The one trick pony hack??
Women will literally desecrate beloved cartoons instead of going to therapy.
Velma is dead on arrival. No real people want this. Edit: 1.3 on imdb 🤣
I can't wait to see how they will change Hong Kong Phoey for a modern audience.
Communist Party Phoey.
When you have a scooby doo show that doesnt even have Scooby Doo himself, just by that info alone, you cannot expect it to suceed
I choose to believe that Scooby turned it down because it disrespected the source material.
@@vladpiranha He Cujo'd himself in Shaggy's basement after reading the script.
@@vladpiranha I can bet you if Scoob was even considered in this, he would be a Dalmation or something, or heck if they wanna make it even more bonkers - make him a human for no reason
The fact that it starts with cockroach sex and then velma hits daphne as hard as she can with a crowbar into a wall and it's laughed off as a joke, made me end it within five minutes even robot chicken took itself more serious than this
Cockroach sex...what the fuck...?
There's being edgy & raunchy, and there's...that
Even Robot chicken of all shows know how to do comedy!
There's a line from one of the trailers w/ Black Shaggy that more or less boils down to him basically saying "drugs are bad"... and I just got to say that the only way you could probably enjoy Velma is if you actually _did_ drugs. If you're not high off your ass, then this show sucks said ass.
Norville is Shaggy's real name (Norville "Shaggy" Rogers).
I think they dropped the nickname because they knew that nobody likes Mindy, and her race swap of Velma jitsu to service her self-insert was already going to piss people off. Race swapping half the cast, cutting Scooby, and making Fred incompetent (if you watch the old cartoons, he said a lot of traps and was almost as smart as Velma) means this isn't even Scooby-Doo. This show is an attempt to exploit an existing audience buy cashing in on a known intellectual property.
Scooby-Doo was always a nonsensical, inoffensive cartoon four children. Mindy Kaling does not understand this. Nobody was asking for an adult version of Scooby-Doo that's hyper violent and sexualized.
HBO sucks anymore. They let Miguel Sapochnik into HotD after he completely failed to direct the single most important episode of GoT. I'm so glad I cancelled my subscription a while back
Scoobi doo without Scoobi doo ? Was it Henry Cavill making the dubbing of the dog ?