We steam the milk first because steamed milk can sit for awhile, whereas you really don't want your shots sitting out. Shots should be consumed or mixed with another liquid very quickly after being pulled. So, if you steam your milk first, you can quickly combine them. Plus, the larger volume of milk means it will cool more slowly than the shots. I've added your excellent suggestion to the list! Thanks! -Kaylie
Yeah, IMHO the difference is only whether or not you want to be able to plumb the machine in now or possibly in the future. They are otherwise identical, performance-wise. Some folks make a big deal about the rotary being more quiet than the vibratory pumps, and that's true to some extent ... but it's a very minimal difference (also IMHO) - Kat
YES I love learning about the rockets, even though its not a rocket, I just ordered my silvia rocky combo from you, can't wait to get it! one day i'll have the rocket mazzer combo....one day
HUGE FAN! Have been wondering for a while now though and this is not meant to be a criticism at all, but why do you steam the milk first? You guys seem too intentional for it not to be for a reason and I have been wondering what the differences/advantages to milk first vs shot first are. Could you possibly do a video about this topic? :D Thanks in advance! Keep it up! We all love the videos!
Well, I'd still love to see them discuss it and even do a side by side comparison of shot, then milk vs milk, then shot. Seems to me that in a blended drink crema is irrelevant and, if memory serves, there was a specific video about crema in which Gail said that crema isn't really that important, in terms of shot flavor, anyway. I could be remembering wrongly though. It's been quite a while since I watched that video.
My dad went with a double boiler machine over a heat exchanger because he only really drinks espresso, but wants to have the steaming capability when I am home. So, when I'm away at college, he turns off the "service" boiler and saves a lot on energy costs, since the heating unit is so much bigger in the steam boiler than the brew boiler.
I don't understand. The steam gauge shows when the steam boiler is ready to steam and the other gauge shows the brew pressure when pulling a shot. How do the gauges tell you when the brew boiler has reached the desired temp so you know you are ready to brew? Can you expand on this?
For a newbee these semi-professional videos are much more helpful, then the professional ones, because here you can clearly see, what common mistakes you are going to face.
How does those machines compare against the Breville? I don't have any experience from those kind of machines. And I want to buy one, what does it so special that it's worth the money? For example the Rocket and Giotto against other machines?
no, its a dual boiler. the steam is in another boiler that never touches your coffee. The temperature of the water in the second boiler is lower and is OK for brewing. However, it's your machine, you can flush and make noises as you go - you need to do it if it makes you happy :)
Which semi automatic mc has Programmable Doses (These semi-automatic espresso machines allow you to program the extraction to stop after a specific amount of time.) ?
Seattle Coffee Gear it makes no sens to do the same thing on both machines because as you know, they are dfifferent.It is essential to do a cooling flush on a heat exchanger . It's the only way to adjust the brewtemp otherwise you burn your coffee with overheated water. If you don't know that i am affraid you have to do some homework . cheers Joe
Lurch Amok "If you don't know that i am affraid (sic) you have to do some homework", a bit harsh. The videos are very informative and from what i've read, there is mixed feelings about whether you need to do a "cooling flush" on the evo v2.
plus you get better consistancy out of the drink if you have as fresh crema as possible this way the crema is the thickest and isent disapating. in the time it takes for you to steam the milk. and plus it gives you time to work the milk wile your pulling your shot.
they steam first because it takes too long to wait for the boiler to heat up to steam temp after pulling a shot. steam first you just flush the boiler and it brings the temp down to brew temp in a matter of seconds.
Well it won’t matter now! Gail is GONE! but she just needed to slow down her pouring of the milk! I think she was just SHY 🙈 being on camera... Miss you Gail...
I finally purchased my R58. Am so excited to use it!
We steam the milk first because steamed milk can sit for awhile, whereas you really don't want your shots sitting out. Shots should be consumed or mixed with another liquid very quickly after being pulled. So, if you steam your milk first, you can quickly combine them. Plus, the larger volume of milk means it will cool more slowly than the shots.
I've added your excellent suggestion to the list! Thanks! -Kaylie
Thanks for the suggestion - I've added it to the list! -Kaylie
Our shipment is in customs right now ... should be back in inventory within the next couple of days (fingers crossed!) - Kat
You made a great choice with the Silvia. I dream of getting a Rocket as well! -Kaylie
I don't know specifically, but I know that Breville often reference 200F as their ideal target, so it's likely somewhere around there - Kat
Yeah, IMHO the difference is only whether or not you want to be able to plumb the machine in now or possibly in the future. They are otherwise identical, performance-wise. Some folks make a big deal about the rotary being more quiet than the vibratory pumps, and that's true to some extent ... but it's a very minimal difference (also IMHO) - Kat
YES I love learning about the rockets, even though its not a rocket, I just ordered my silvia rocky combo from you, can't wait to get it! one day i'll have the rocket mazzer combo....one day
The R58 has a bit larger and fully dedicated steam boiler, so it's stronger in the end ... but they're fairly neck and neck. - Kat
Ah, I see what you're saying. For specific temp reading, you'd need to have the PID interface plugged in. - Kat
HUGE FAN! Have been wondering for a while now though and this is not meant to be a criticism at all, but why do you steam the milk first? You guys seem too intentional for it not to be for a reason and I have been wondering what the differences/advantages to milk first vs shot first are. Could you possibly do a video about this topic? :D Thanks in advance! Keep it up! We all love the videos!
Well, I'd still love to see them discuss it and even do a side by side comparison of shot, then milk vs milk, then shot. Seems to me that in a blended drink crema is irrelevant and, if memory serves, there was a specific video about crema in which Gail said that crema isn't really that important, in terms of shot flavor, anyway. I could be remembering wrongly though. It's been quite a while since I watched that video.
My dad went with a double boiler machine over a heat exchanger because he only really drinks espresso, but wants to have the steaming capability when I am home. So, when I'm away at college, he turns off the "service" boiler and saves a lot on energy costs, since the heating unit is so much bigger in the steam boiler than the brew boiler.
Wow, that's great! -Kaylie
One thing you guys didn't mention was the cooling flush on the HX. Isn't that a con on the Giotto versus the R58?
Thanks for he great explanation of heat exchanger, I get it now ;) Anyone know the temp of the breville infuser?
Dear Kat & Gail - in terms of steaming power - would it be right to say that the Giotto has a stronger steam power??
If you remove the electronic box on the r58, how do you know when the brew boiler has reached the desired temperature?
Also a good reason to steam first! -Kaylie
It could be, yes, if performing it is an issue for you. I don't find it to be one, personally :) - Kat
I don't understand. The steam gauge shows when the steam boiler is ready to steam and the other gauge shows the brew pressure when pulling a shot. How do the gauges tell you when the brew boiler has reached the desired temp so you know you are ready to brew? Can you expand on this?
For a newbee these semi-professional videos are much more helpful, then the professional ones, because here you can clearly see, what common mistakes you are going to face.
Via the gauges - Kat
With cup rail, it's 16.25 inches; without, it's 15. - Kat
Excellent video. Thanks!!
Awesome! Thanks for the reply.
Do you have the height of the R58 with and without the cup surround installed? Thanks!!
I don't necessarily think it's a pro or a con. Some people really like it and some people don't - just a personal decision! -Kaylie
How does those machines compare against the Breville? I don't have any experience from those kind of machines. And I want to buy one, what does it so special that it's worth the money? For example the Rocket and Giotto against other machines?
hi, so can u use the pid for the evoluzione or premium plus
:-D Awesome! -Kaylie
Is there any need for a cooling flush on an R58?
no, its a dual boiler. the steam is in another boiler that never touches your coffee. The temperature of the water in the second boiler is lower and is OK for brewing. However, it's your machine, you can flush and make noises as you go - you need to do it if it makes you happy :)
Which semi automatic mc has Programmable Doses (These semi-automatic espresso machines allow you to program the extraction to stop after a specific amount of time.) ?
Hey! Umm..why didn't Gail do a cooling flush on the Cellini?
Hello Ryan Madrid, What do you mean? It looks like Gail did the same thing on both machines in this video. ~ Sarah
Seattle Coffee Gear it makes no sens to do the same thing on both machines because as you know, they are dfifferent.It is essential to do a cooling flush on a heat exchanger . It's the only way to adjust the brewtemp otherwise you burn your coffee with overheated water. If you don't know that i am affraid you have to do some homework . cheers Joe
Lurch Amok "If you don't know that i am affraid (sic) you have to do some homework", a bit harsh. The videos are very informative and from what i've read, there is mixed feelings about whether you need to do a "cooling flush" on the evo v2.
plus you get better consistancy out of the drink if you have as fresh crema as possible this way the crema is the thickest and isent disapating. in the time it takes for you to steam the milk. and plus it gives you time to work the milk wile your pulling your shot.
oh the crema doesn't matter flavor wise in a milk drink. its mostly aesthetics late art (given you can do it) works better with fresh thick crema
Between ....? - Kat
No - you can't use a PID on an Hx machine - Kat
No - we don't carry it - Kat
they steam first because it takes too long to wait for the boiler to heat up to steam temp after pulling a shot. steam first you just flush the boiler and it brings the temp down to brew temp in a matter of seconds.
Do it! -Kaylie
Giotto Evoluzione all the way !
Hahaha...she can sort of multitask... ;-) -Kaylie
8:20 Kidney Art
I have watched a lot of your videos and find them very informative. However, the girl behind the camera should speak less and let Gail do the talking.
But isn't that the point of having a double boiler?
its very funny seeing Gail doing some latte art', to overcome it , very simple , pour low and constitant to make the art.
Well it won’t matter now! Gail is GONE! but she just needed to slow down her pouring of the milk! I think she was just SHY 🙈 being on camera... Miss you Gail...
Why can't she do art!?!