The only people who genuinely cared about Chuck (the person not the lawyer) were Jimmy & Rebecca. Rebecca was saddened by Chuck's demise (she was weeping in funeral and was being comforted by Howard). Jimmy on the other end, felt nothing due to Chuck's final words to him (that he didn't matter to him).
My absolute favorite part about this scene is when Howard says “the insurance” and Jimmy immediately snaps out of his trance and has the sudden realization that HE indirectly killed his brother.
That would have never happened if howard stopped belittling jimmy and prevented him to use his own name for adverts. Both howard and chuck deserved to die the way they did, it was their karma. Chuck should have helped jimmy in the first place in the firm, they chose kim over jimmy. Jimmy was a better lawyer than chuck, he had something chuck never had, the charisma and wit.
That piece playing at Chuck’s funeral is the one he was trying to play at the piano at some point and struggled. So much emphasis to the detail. I love so much those writers.
Another thing with this piece Is that Faure, who wrote it was very famous teacher, music player and composer. However at the end of his life all of this slowly started to fall apart. He was kicked out of conservatory, where he worked as a professor and had to stop conducting and writing because he was getting deaf. He was empty and depressed. Just like Chuck.
Anyone notice absolutely no one asked how jimmy was doing? Everyone asks in a context of “it must be so sad someone great is gone from your life” Because no one cares for him, they just care about the brother.
Not saying much considering the whole point of the Chuck/Jimmy arc is that everybody cared more about Jimmy despite Chuck being the more model citizen.
@@Hysteria98 Well that's the thing. From Jimmy's perspective, he was always in the shadow of his brilliant older brother. He could never live up to him or, even more importantly, make him proud, which is what he really wanted. Just like here, everyone cares only about Jimmy with respect to what a great man Chuck was. From his perspective, Jimmy could never succeed or be appreciated for who he is. However, from Chuck's perspective it is the converse. As you say, he's the model citizen who always works hard and does everything by the book, and yet he sees Jimmy as the one who gets his way. By lying, tricking people, taking shortcuts, and breaking the rules, Jimmy seems to always get what he wants. And that caused great resentment and bitterness in Chuck, the prime example being his mother's final words being about Jimmy (reflecting her favouritism for him despite his faults). Thats why the situation is so tragic, the two brothers growing to resent each other due to their differences, as well as their perceptions of each other that are formed through the perceived opinions of everyone else. Despite an underlying love between them, they come to hate each other. And that continues after Chuck's death. What a brilliant show.
I think it's Jimmy's pent up frustration and anger at Chuck that made him this unsympathetic with Howard because he can't bring himself to care about Chuck anymore and any matter concerning Chuck. He could have eased Howard's pain but instead he removed himself from the conservation and anything concerning Chuck.
Howard is a thoughtful person underneath it all,as demonstrated when Jimmy rushes to see chucks body in the coroners van at the scene of the fire. Howard stands in his way and says ‘Jimmy.......don’t!’ Howard is a very very likeable man.
I honestly don’t see why people didn’t like Howard. He never disliked Jimmy it was all Chuck who was influencing Howard’s decisions and Jimmy couldn’t take it out on Chuck so he takes it out on Howard
@@iNoodl3s Howard played along with it when he clearly didn't have to, so it's partly his fault too. But he became a better person after that, Jimmy just held a grudge
Howard was not a bad man, the only thing he was guilty of was being the best employee/law partner somebody could ask for. He was definitely petty at times with how he treated Kim, but I don’t think he meant it in the worst way possible. He made some bad decisions sure, but he doesn’t deserve the hate
He has always seemed to be an "all about himself", stuck up kind of guy and I personally couldn't bring myself to really like him, even in his best moments.
The way I see it, this is kinda when Saul starts to take over for good. Jimmy knows he drove Chuck this far, but he thought it happened because of the bar hearing, which was Jimmy defending himself and shattering Chuck 's illusions. However, the insurance was an act of pure spite with no gain whatsoever, and when Jimmy figures out this was the last nail in his brother's coffin, he knows there is no way to redeem himself after this, so he starts to let go of the feelings of guilt, which starts to turn him into the Saul Goodman who bails out criminals and suggests murder with a funny tone.
You might be underestimating the impact of the final conversation Jimmy and Chuck had. Chuck totally burned that bridge and I think Jimmy may actually have derived some spiteful satisfaction out of Chuck's death by that point. His behavior throughout Season 4 does suggest that a lot.
@@zaltarical He pretended to worryingly let slip Chuck's supposed "mistake" with the dates that Jimmy had doctored, and his disease, which led the insurance company to sharply raise his malpractice insurance rate. When leaving the office Jimmy was smirking spitefully, satisfied with how he had just screwed over Chuck.
It's called verbal irony, it's when the characters say or act in ways that contradict how they truly feel. They both cared about each other, they simply covered it up with false facades.
@cursed770 That's not true though. Remember when Jimmy is crying to the camera man? The way he brings up "I've lost my brother" isn't indicative of 100% lost feelings. He cared. He still felt bad about it at the end. That's what makes him a good character.
@cursed770 Nah. We can tell when he does that. The way says the phrase "my brother.. my brother is dead" and repeats it, with the emphasis on "brother", coupled with him lowering his voice, as if, at that very moment, he's talking to himself and not the cameraman, all of that indicates that there is guilt in him.
@cursed770And later used it to get lower and get punished for his crimes. I'm saying there is nuance to it. Human emotions are often complicated and intertwined.
@@wajajan697 yep, we saw that in him and Kim's breakup, he thinks it was all Lalo and now Kim's fault and he didn't have anything to do with it, it's a pretty obvious pattern at this point, wonder if he'll blame Jeff for whatever happens in 612 with that guy with cancer
Him being mean to Howard is simply because of that really, in the end Chuck brought it himself by being so selfish and egotistical , thats probably why he said its Howard fault, for been just as self centered as Chuck for thinking his brother dead was because some minimal disagreement on the firm
Me, too. I actually laughed at this scene, and was actually relieved that Jimmy didn't bawl about Chuck. Chuck was cruel. How in the world do you say that to ANYbody.
Ive never seen such powerful man spending his whole life trying to belittle and ruin someone "who never mattered at all" 😅 Good thing he ended up alone and dead
Chuck is responsible for his own death, he burned all bridges with the few people who cared about him. And I mean cared about Chuck the human being, not Chuck the lawyer.
Yeah, this scene left me completely disgusted with Jimmy. It took just a few moments to convince himself Howard was to blame just to deflect the reality that his actions led to Chuck's death. He sniffed out the fact that Howard was weak and wracked with guilt and took advantage of the situation putting it all on his shoulders. What a vicious snake.
One of the most subtley vicious lines I've ever heard delivered in TV. Such a ruthless statement from a character that planned that out. Howard spiraled after that
Man, when he said "That's your cross to bear" I fell off my bed laughing. It was like, until that point, tye show was a dark humour joke building up to that punchline. That's not the case but it's such a cruel thing to say that it's hilarious.
Everyone has their own interpretation. I lean toward the theory of the coping mechanism. It feels as if Jimmy just shut down and Saul, unapologetic, takes the lead in order to "save" Jimmy (just like when he says to Howard to get his shit together later in the show). Especially when the very first thing he does after that is feeding the RED hungry fish turning around in that BLUE aquarium with a big smile on his face. Saul doesn't play by the rules and didn't care about Chuck's (or Kim's) approval. Jimmy did. But now it doesn't matter anymore. Jimmy keeps feeding Saul until the point of no return. After all, it was the last thing Chuck told him to do before telling him he wasn't important to him and his suicide : "Don't be sorry. Embrace it". Saul is gonna do what needs to be done and won't let anyone hold him back. Also, the promotional picture of this season shows us a sad Jimmy holding a happy Saul mask.
I think whats frightening about better call saul and the diffrence between it and breaking bad Is how walt and jimmy use thier alternate personas In breaking bad you can tell the exact moment walt lets go of his control and lets Heisenberg out, and as the series progresses heisenberg starts to overpower walt and he becomes him and can control him whenever he want, for the good and for the worse What’s frightening with better call saul is you can never tell when saul becomes jimmy, there is never a facial expression change to make you say “oh thats saul”, with walt you can tell when his eyes change, when his smile turns upside down, but saul is like defense mechanism jimmy uses to protect himself from all his feelings and guilt
@@lcdream4213 That's the most egregious thing upon rewatching Breaking Bad. Bryan Cranston is a fantastic actor, which makes it all the more jarring when he goes into "Heisenberg mode" and it feels as if he's being directed like a Marvel supervillain. I really love the ambiguity in Jimmy's state of mind in the later seasons of BCS over the comical, unsubtle shifts in Bryan Cranston's facial expressions in the later seasons of BB.
That was a great moment, but my favourite part of this episode is when Chuck came back from the dead and took out Jack's white supremacist gang single-handed.
See.. to me.. it’s scenes like this that elevate BCS above BrBa to me. BrBa’s “peak-drama” moments usually involved life and death stakes.. but BCS is much, much deeper.
YES, you said it perfectly. The situations are much more mundane and usually don't involve just life or death, which paradoxically makes it all that much more powerful and real to me. Don't get me wrong, BrBa was a life experience for me as a show but BCS feels much more complex in its stakes and events, as you can see in Chuck's death. I love this show.
just because it isn't about life and death doesn't make it deeper. BCS has not deeper drama, but it is able to deliever the same depth as breaking bad with lower stakes.
@@muffinman5741 On the contrary, I think BCS does a much better job of portraying the relationships of the principles than BB does. I like BB, but I also thought it made the mistake of overreach in developing its characters.
yeah its real ironic that Kim was screaming at Howard for not taking Jimmy's feelings into account in this scene when Jimmy was just using Howard as a scapegoat for his actions that ultimately lead to Chuck's actions and relapse
Really interesting scene. When Howard says he went downhill after the insurance - that was Jimmy's final scam on his brother - remember he was the one that told them about his breakdown in court. No one else knows he did that, so at that moment, Howard was unwittingly placing the blame on Chucks death solely on Jimmy. I think this is the moment he really switches off his emotions for his brother - remember how utterly emotionless he was when read Chucks letter later on? My theory is Jimmy just couldn't handle it so he projected his feelings of guilt and pretended he didn't care, because it was the only way for him to cope at that point. That's why he responds the way he does to Howard and starts whistling - he's projecting his own guilt and just mentally completely checks out.
definitely agree, that's how i took Jimmy's attitude towards Chuck's death too, and the fact that Jimmy started distracting himself from the situation as much as he could (for example taking the job at the cell phone store instead of taking Kim's recommendation and talking to a therapist) really cemented it for me
The expression of Howard made me feel sad!! He is one of my favorites characters (with Mike and Nacho) and that was unfair and cruel...but in the end times, he will pay every debt... since Chuck´s death until Drew Sharp´s death..he was part of it
Unfair and cruel? No. Howard talked down to Jimmy; Howard held Jimmy in contempt. Now, Jimmy takes advantage of Howard's weakness and show of vulnerability. Doing in return to Howard what Howard has been doing to him. That's not unfair and cruel. It's called payback and revenge
I did a full 180 on howard with this scene. Yes he was a prick, but he did not kill chuck, jimmy and chuck did. And it's horrible to see him throughout the season, trying to live with himself for something he did not even do. I hope Jimmy eventually tells him the truth, but with Saul taking over, i doubt it.
i think chuck really hurt jimmy and made him hate chuck when he said "you've never mattered all that much to me". jimmy was depressed this whole episode only because he thought he was directly responsible for chuck's death. but now with howard's revelation, he has finally learned to turn a blind eye and say shit happens, it's not my fault. now all that's left is something bad to happen with kim and we have the unethical criminal lawyer we saw in the original show. it's jimmy's turn to break bad
TM Riddle. Yep. And that sort of thing indeed creates a disdain for the person. Not really an emotion of hate though, more of an indifference rather than hate. Howard's revelation reveals to Jimmy that Howard is weak and vulnerable, And given Howard's voiced contempt for Jimmy all along, same as Chuck, this confession now puts Jimmy in a position of power over Howard, which he makes clear with the "it's your cross to bear" comment followed by the making of coffee, which is the equivalent of telling Howard "coffee has more value to me than you"
It's actually a normal reaction to a loss which is followed by something not expected. The statement by Howard has evaporated the grieving and replaced it with a sweet satisfaction that Howard -- the tough guy all this time -- has been agonizing over this thus a weakness he's not ever shown, and Jimmy takes pleasure in it. Making coffee is the equivalent of rubbing Howard's face in the dirt -- he's just been told "it's your cross to bear" and now Jimmy asks him if he wants coffee!
Interesting perspectives all around here - to me it felt like Howard's confession about other turmoil with Chuck, made Jimmy more relieved from his own burden. The cake wasn't entirely his, so to speak, now that he found out Chuck might have had other reasons driving him other than Jimmy.
That's exactly the same comment you can find below every single BCS-video on RUclips that's about Chuck and Jimmy. Seems like Jimmy became Heisenberg every second episode...
Chuck was always the antagonist. He never saw Jimmy capable of being anything else and always had a resentment and short patience (as evidenced by the childhood flashback scene). The age disparity probably had Chuck at a point where he always resented Jimmy for so much as being born because instead of being an only child, their parents had another one to share their love with. Any "wrong" Jimmy ever did to Chuck was a fair hit back at the ones Chuck was constantly dealing to Jimmy. It's unfortunate the last exchange lead to all this but it was more of a series of unfortunate events rather than solely being Jimmy's fault.
Jimmy did all the leg work for Chuck's daily activities without electricity while Chuck was "ill". We saw how much house work was needed when Chuck hired outside help for that.
The goldfish in their apartment that Jimmy feeds at the end of the scene is the same one that Jimmy used as an alibi to bring to the vet that hooked him up with Huell. The first thing he had Huell do for him is plant a battery on Chuck which led to his suicide. Every time we see the goldfish, we are reminded of how much Jimmy hated Chuck.
I think in the end Jimmy positively removed himself from that conservation and anything concerning Chuck. It's like he couldn't bring the energy to comfort Howard who he probably still has mixed feelings about or to care about his brother's death or well just care in general.
That's why I love BCS more than BB. Every character is good, every character matters. In BB, regular civilians were pretty boring and undermining the show. Here, both criminals and civilians are so well written, so deep, that most of the best scenes are just civilian talks like this one
@@TypicalTip I found their dialogue pretty cringeworthy and not in the intended way, lol. I think both shows suffer from poor writing for minor characters, BCS marginally less so.
In my view Chuck was the only one responsible for how his life eventually lead to chaos and death, Chuck was as one-dimensional as a person could EVER become, he had no life, no friends, no hubbies outside of the world of being a lawyer. He was fantastic at his job, but having all of your apples in one basket does nothing but invite hell once that one thing doesn't go as you want it. That's why a life outside of work is so important, family, friends, hobbies etc. Nothing in life is stable, and when your job becomes to difficult you need something to pull you back in balance and vise-versa.
I agree, Work/life balance is very important. As a matter a fact, its better to work, to live your life instead of living to work. Chuck is responsible for Jimmy becoming Saul although truth be told I think he more likely sped up the process. Jimmy might have been a liter version of what he was in BB, if Chuck just believed in him more instead of being jealous.
I think you're missing the point- Chuck is at the end of his life in every single avenue. He never got over his failed relationships, both romantic & platonic, and was driven to mental illness and hermitage.
It's nice that despite what happened between them Cliff was still sympathetic towards Jimmy. And yeah it would be inhuman not to be in a moment like this but it's still nice to see.
In the end Saul looks through the blue (!) aquarium, gives the fish a treat, smiles, and says 'look at 'r go'. That's the key phrase, because he won't know if the goldfish is a he or a she. He was referring to Kim. Every big decision that he made, he made for Kim. She got a law degree, so he did as well, to be on equal footing with her. He didn't do that for his brother. He purposefully blew the lucrative job out of town, because it got him away from her. He changed the address on the legal form for her. He even blew his own con with the elderly ladies, so he could continue to have her respect. He was pensive after Chuck's death, but mostly because of what it would have meant to Kim, knowing that she was partially responsible for pushing him over the edge. So when Howard offered the solution, by bringing up the insurance story, he gladly accepted, because it got Kim off the hook. 'Look at 'r go!'. Saul won a good one against corrupted company, on Kim's behalf, and without even trying. The irony is that he'll end up seeing her go...
Good point. It doesn't change the theme, though. It is as natural for him to align himself with that positive theme (his love for Kim), as it impossible for him to accept that he is responsible for his own brother's death. That's his dark secret. His initial response was lighthearted, as a way of sidestepping the shock, but it will start eating away at him. It is starting to look as if 'Saul' is his escape from that pain.
Sorry, I dont see any correlation there. The aquarium bit as a metaphor for Kim seems vastly far-fetched. Its a scene to emphasis the lack of care and concern he has for Howard’s guilt ridden theory that he is responsible for his brother’s death. Jimmy felt he was the one responsible before this meeting, instead of sympathizing with Howard he is completely indifferent and informs him how he is the reason for Chuck’s death and his guilt to live with. He got rid of his guilt. At this point, Saul doesn’t care anymore and removes himself from any conversation related to his late brother.
They probably will just because it would look suspicious if they didn't, should make for an emotionally excruciating scene, I hope they really make Jimmy and Kim FEEL it
Jim threw his grief and anger into Howard the moment he mentioned the insurance Jim’s mind immediately blamed Howard to essentially mentally protect himself
Perfect sudden cut from church orchestra to car engine sound. Don't forget that Jimmy is our protagonist and this abrupt scene conveys just how much he does not care about his brother at this point, even his funeral is akin to chores.
2:593:043:21 I watch Jimmy face as Howard says that and I wonder. Does he realizes *at this very moment* he has pushed his brother to suicide, through that malpractice thing ? or did he realized it *before that* ? And thus unloaded his guilt on Howard, which is truly horrible ?
I hate how me and my one brothers relationship is similar to these two. I would like to think I'm Jimmy in this situation but having a brother who always does whatever he can to keep me down makes me understand how Jimmy is reacting. I wouldn't say we have it as bad as these two by far but I used to try for a while to be nice to my brother but he never changed and I've been cold for years. I pray I die before him, being I'm the older brother, but I hope I care about him and his passing if that day were to come. Right now I see myself acting as Jimmy but I still care a little bit. I hope he changes and I'll try to change myself
You're not alone. ): My family competes with me too. It used to be my older brother, but now it's my own Mom. It never ends with competitive people, as soon as they take you as a threat to their inflated identity... they make their identity your problem...
The part at the beginning is really well portrayed. I think in a situation like this, having 50 people come up to you and tell you how sorry they are without any meaning behind it has to be emotionally exhausting. It's the last thing I'd want.
Any of my fellow Spanish-speaking fans noticed the editing mistake at the 29:45 mark of the episode? The Capo says, "El territorio de Salamanca *ca* se queda el territorio de Salamanca." Now, I'm not pointing out the bad Spanish construction, which should have been "se queda de Salamanca"-I'm talking about the extra "ca", the last syllable of Salamanca, that's heard just when we cut to Nacho: that's an obvious sound editing mistake!
Pablo Alex Oh, o.k. thanks for the term, really, those things interest me a great deal. How do you mean it was advisable, though? Shouldn't they have split it correctly so the speech wouldn't have that meaningless syllable in the middle?
But I do love the look Kim shoots as Jimmy after his very callous comeback against Howard. Chuck got what was coming to him as he had to have known that Jimmy's malpractice insurance would skyrocket, but then again it was his intention to throw Jimmy out of the law profession. Nevertheless, Jimmy could have been at least gracious with his silence after Howard's confession rather than grinding him under his heel.
I'd have done the same thing to such a person as Howard; Howard held Jimmy in contempt and talked down to him. In this scene, Howard is showing a vulnerability and Jimmy simply puts him in his place, which is the only time he's been given such an opportunity. The making of coffee was Jimmy's way of telling Howard he (Howard) is dead to him
Jimmy was pretty much responsible for Chuck’s death… 1) By directly sabotaging his career via going to the Insurance company and discrediting Chucks’s (previously) untouchable reputation. This subsequently led to Howard believing that Chuck had finally become a risk to the business they had both worked so hard to build up for decades (on-top of months and months of Chuck being paranoid over electrical currents, despite Howard’s unrelenting support and consideration towards his “condition”). 2) Previous to this Jimmy also tampered with Verde’s documents which of course is linked to the start of damaging Chuck’s reputation and mental state of mind even further downhill. 3) Yes Chuck was already ill (which is no fault of Jimmy) however these sequence of events that led to ending Chuck’s law career, certainly pushed him over the edge to commit suicide. Therefore Jimmy directly pinning the blame at Howard (who is open and honest about his guilt) is truly pathetic, sick and cowardice behaviour. Howard isn’t perfect but he always tried to do the ‘right thing’ and help others, holding himself accountable even if it wasn’t his fault.
You folks saying that Howard had no friends and no one cared for him, were Jimmy, Rebecca, and maybe/maybe not Howard, are ridiculous. Have you really never known someone that lived their work? Something they took so seriously, and cared so much about, that it was above everything else? It was Chuck who didn't care about everyone else, especially Jimmy. Chuck flat out admits that and shows it throughout his role in the show. When Jimmy confronts him about holding him back all along, says to him "You're not a lawyer! You're Slipplin' Jimmy!" then goes on to talk about how sacred the law is, and too important and dear to him, that he can't let Jimmy have a real chance at a significant law firm. Also saying "Slippin' Jimmy with a law degree is like a chimp with a gun!". People only talk tk Chuck about the law, because that's all he wants to talk about, that's all he cares to talk about. He doesn't want to hear about anyone else's day, their plans that weekend, where they're going on vacation, and certainly doesn't want to see pictures of their kids. All of his peers want to be close to him. Yes, some for selfish reasons, but many because they are in awe of him, and would love to personally know a genius like him. He rebuffs them all, he has no time for that. He has a case to work on and prepare for! Chuck doesn't even care about Howard. He cares about being separated from the firm for good. Chuck is nothing but a great lawyer to everyone, because that's whay he wants. That all he cares to have. Everyone and everything else is just details
Jimmy is going to tell Howard about what he did to the insurance in season six. It’s something that has to happen to permanently wedge a divide between these two characters for good.
@@Freeformpeak403 I only wonder where it would’ve fit best if the writers had added it in. It’s a shame Howard didn’t get to see Saul Goodman’s BB office though.
"He was hell of a lawyer" means in other words Chuck had no friends and everyone there knew him by his reputation only.
The only people who genuinely cared about Chuck (the person not the lawyer) were Jimmy & Rebecca. Rebecca was saddened by Chuck's demise (she was weeping in funeral and was being comforted by Howard). Jimmy on the other end, felt nothing due to Chuck's final words to him (that he didn't matter to him).
@@tirthankarsarkar4206 I think Howard cared for Chuck beyond him just being a lawyer. That’s part of the reason he felt so betrayed by the lawsuit.
All they had to say was about his job lol
@@EWall1498 Yea ofcourse he did
@@tirthankarsarkar4206 jimmy rebecca and howard*
My absolute favorite part about this scene is when Howard says “the insurance” and Jimmy immediately snaps out of his trance and has the sudden realization that HE indirectly killed his brother.
Yeah, and his thought process is probably something like, “Wow that took a lot less effort than I thought it would.”
Yep, and then as soon as that guilt hits, he thinks quick to displace that blame onto Howard, Jimmy will do anything to bury the pain
@@ryancole4908 more like "Chuck was absolutely right about me".
That would have never happened if howard stopped belittling jimmy and prevented him to use his own name for adverts. Both howard and chuck deserved to die the way they did, it was their karma. Chuck should have helped jimmy in the first place in the firm, they chose kim over jimmy. Jimmy was a better lawyer than chuck, he had something chuck never had, the charisma and wit.
Howard should have stood by Chuck. He only cared about the firm but forgot who built it in the first place.
That piece playing at Chuck’s funeral is the one he was trying to play at the piano at some point and struggled. So much emphasis to the detail. I love so much those writers.
Jcorb a beautiful piece
Jcorb definitely gonna check 😁
Cute detail, but not among the writers’ more clever antics.
Another thing with this piece Is that Faure, who wrote it was very famous teacher, music player and composer. However at the end of his life all of this slowly started to fall apart.
He was kicked out of conservatory, where he worked as a professor and had to stop conducting and writing because he was getting deaf.
He was empty and depressed. Just like Chuck.
You would almost think this show was made by the people behind a show like Breaking Bad or something
Anyone notice absolutely no one asked how jimmy was doing? Everyone asks in a context of “it must be so sad someone great is gone from your life” Because no one cares for him, they just care about the brother.
Not saying much considering the whole point of the Chuck/Jimmy arc is that everybody cared more about Jimmy despite Chuck being the more model citizen.
@@Hysteria98 Well that's the thing. From Jimmy's perspective, he was always in the shadow of his brilliant older brother. He could never live up to him or, even more importantly, make him proud, which is what he really wanted. Just like here, everyone cares only about Jimmy with respect to what a great man Chuck was. From his perspective, Jimmy could never succeed or be appreciated for who he is.
However, from Chuck's perspective it is the converse. As you say, he's the model citizen who always works hard and does everything by the book, and yet he sees Jimmy as the one who gets his way. By lying, tricking people, taking shortcuts, and breaking the rules, Jimmy seems to always get what he wants. And that caused great resentment and bitterness in Chuck, the prime example being his mother's final words being about Jimmy (reflecting her favouritism for him despite his faults).
Thats why the situation is so tragic, the two brothers growing to resent each other due to their differences, as well as their perceptions of each other that are formed through the perceived opinions of everyone else. Despite an underlying love between them, they come to hate each other. And that continues after Chuck's death. What a brilliant show.
Well spotted.
Dude you dont ask someone whose family members died “how are you?” at the funeral
@@LaVerdad65 not “how are you” but “how are you holding up jimmy” and yes that would be something you ask someone that’s going through a lot.
I can't imagine there will ever be an interaction this uncomfortable in Kim's living room, ever again.
Lmao
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@@hansonliu6886 I stand corrected.
"That's your cross to bare" so cruel, man..
Francisco Prado what does this phrase mean?
Денис Тюнин It means that Howard will have to carry the fact that he 'caused' Chuck's death, even though it was a set of different factors.
Francisco Prado thanks buddy
I think it's Jimmy's pent up frustration and anger at Chuck that made him this unsympathetic with Howard because he can't bring himself to care about Chuck anymore and any matter concerning Chuck. He could have eased Howard's pain but instead he removed himself from the conservation and anything concerning Chuck.
"to bear"
Howard is a thoughtful person underneath it all,as demonstrated when Jimmy rushes to see chucks body in the coroners van at the scene of the fire.
Howard stands in his way and says ‘Jimmy.......don’t!’
Howard is a very very likeable man.
I honestly don’t see why people didn’t like Howard. He never disliked Jimmy it was all Chuck who was influencing Howard’s decisions and Jimmy couldn’t take it out on Chuck so he takes it out on Howard
@@iNoodl3s Howard played along with it when he clearly didn't have to, so it's partly his fault too. But he became a better person after that, Jimmy just held a grudge
Howard was not a bad man, the only thing he was guilty of was being the best employee/law partner somebody could ask for. He was definitely petty at times with how he treated Kim, but I don’t think he meant it in the worst way possible. He made some bad decisions sure, but he doesn’t deserve the hate
Howard is a great character, in a wrong place and a wrong time :"))
Poor Howard, he's not a bad dude
Probably the most well intentioned guy Jimmy knows. Dude didn't deserve to get tangled up in the ugly drama between the two brothers.
EvilSapphireR he really reminds me of Butters from South Park. Naive, a bit aloof, but above all else a genuinely nice dude
He has always seemed to be an "all about himself", stuck up kind of guy and I personally couldn't bring myself to really like him, even in his best moments.
Howard was looking for himself. Sided with chuck multiple times just to keep him from selling his shares
True, he's a good guy, he wanted to hire jimmy at the beggining
Patrick Fabian is an amazing actor and this scene proves it. I love how he portrayed "broken Howard".
He's a beast!
@Tony rasio his voice makes his acting look bad tbh. he's a good actor
@@franksheeran7485 whats wrong with his voice
@@franksheeran7485 eh how 😂
Braking Howard
The way I see it, this is kinda when Saul starts to take over for good. Jimmy knows he drove Chuck this far, but he thought it happened because of the bar hearing, which was Jimmy defending himself and shattering Chuck 's illusions. However, the insurance was an act of pure spite with no gain whatsoever, and when Jimmy figures out this was the last nail in his brother's coffin, he knows there is no way to redeem himself after this, so he starts to let go of the feelings of guilt, which starts to turn him into the Saul Goodman who bails out criminals and suggests murder with a funny tone.
You. You get this show.
This show is criminally underrated.
You might be underestimating the impact of the final conversation Jimmy and Chuck had. Chuck totally burned that bridge and I think Jimmy may actually have derived some spiteful satisfaction out of Chuck's death by that point. His behavior throughout Season 4 does suggest that a lot.
Can someone remind me what exactly Jimmy did with the insurance that was a purely spiteful act?
@@zaltarical He pretended to worryingly let slip Chuck's supposed "mistake" with the dates that Jimmy had doctored, and his disease, which led the insurance company to sharply raise his malpractice insurance rate. When leaving the office Jimmy was smirking spitefully, satisfied with how he had just screwed over Chuck.
Remember that Chuck last words to Jimmy before his death were that he didn't matter much to Chuck, so Jimmy's reaction doesn't surprise me.
It's called verbal irony, it's when the characters say or act in ways that contradict how they truly feel. They both cared about each other, they simply covered it up with false facades.
@@theonlygoodlookinghabsburg2081 exactly. And it was also very cruel towards Howard
@cursed770 That's not true though. Remember when Jimmy is crying to the camera man? The way he brings up "I've lost my brother" isn't indicative of 100% lost feelings.
He cared. He still felt bad about it at the end. That's what makes him a good character.
@cursed770 Nah. We can tell when he does that. The way says the phrase "my brother.. my brother is dead" and repeats it, with the emphasis on "brother", coupled with him lowering his voice, as if, at that very moment, he's talking to himself and not the cameraman, all of that indicates that there is guilt in him.
@cursed770And later used it to get lower and get punished for his crimes. I'm saying there is nuance to it. Human emotions are often complicated and intertwined.
After S06E07: Well Jimmy, I guess that’s your cross to bear.
For real... Kim too
He'll just pretend nothing happend just like with Chuck
@@wajajan697 yep, we saw that in him and Kim's breakup, he thinks it was all Lalo and now Kim's fault and he didn't have anything to do with it, it's a pretty obvious pattern at this point, wonder if he'll blame Jeff for whatever happens in 612 with that guy with cancer
@@isaiahromero9861 Thankfully the pattern doesn't repeat and will not repeat anymore ever again
When Kim told Howard’s wife “she would’ve known” cos “she saw him everyday” that was her your cross to bear moment for having him in the guesthouse
"To tell you the truth, you never mattered all that much to me"
-Chuck Mcgill
Yeah I think jimmy's non reaction is pretty apropriate
Him being mean to Howard is simply because of that really, in the end Chuck brought it himself by being so selfish and egotistical , thats probably why he said its Howard fault, for been just as self centered as Chuck for thinking his brother dead was because some minimal disagreement on the firm
Me, too.
I actually laughed at this scene, and was actually relieved that Jimmy didn't bawl about Chuck.
Chuck was cruel. How in the world do you say that to ANYbody.
He was obviously lying to himself when he said that.
He said that specifically to hurt Jimmy.
Ive never seen such powerful man spending his whole life trying to belittle and ruin someone "who never mattered at all" 😅
Good thing he ended up alone and dead
2:58 The moment Jimmy realize that he is responsible for Chuck's death, and then he blame Howard just to hide that from himself
I know im late but to me it felt like Jimmy thought he had the last laugh so he felt proud.
Chuck is responsible for his own death, he burned all bridges with the few people who cared about him. And I mean cared about Chuck the human being, not Chuck the lawyer.
Yeah, this scene left me completely disgusted with Jimmy. It took just a few moments to convince himself Howard was to blame just to deflect the reality that his actions led to Chuck's death. He sniffed out the fact that Howard was weak and wracked with guilt and took advantage of the situation putting it all on his shoulders. What a vicious snake.
One of the most subtley vicious lines I've ever heard delivered in TV. Such a ruthless statement from a character that planned that out. Howard spiraled after that
Kim telling to Howards wife "you mustve known" is even worse, even Jimmy was taken back by it
He's projecting guilt.
Man, when he said "That's your cross to bear" I fell off my bed laughing. It was like, until that point, tye show was a dark humour joke building up to that punchline. That's not the case but it's such a cruel thing to say that it's hilarious.
Was scrolling and scrolling waiting for this comment, because I felt the exact same way! Hahaha
BLUE TANK WITH CRYSTALS AT THE BOTTOM
WHAT COULD IT MEAN
THIS IS THE MOMENT THE FISH TANK BECAME HEISENBERG!
P I Z Z A O N T H E R O O F ?
meh is what keeps fish goin
Same color as crystal meth, WW style
eiffel0108 😂🤣
The intricacies of all 3 characters in this conversation having different perspectives and knowing different truths. Amazing
Everyone has their own interpretation. I lean toward the theory of the coping mechanism.
It feels as if Jimmy just shut down and Saul, unapologetic, takes the lead in order to "save" Jimmy (just like when he says to Howard to get his shit together later in the show). Especially when the very first thing he does after that is feeding the RED hungry fish turning around in that BLUE aquarium with a big smile on his face.
Saul doesn't play by the rules and didn't care about Chuck's (or Kim's) approval. Jimmy did. But now it doesn't matter anymore. Jimmy keeps feeding Saul until the point of no return. After all, it was the last thing Chuck told him to do before telling him he wasn't important to him and his suicide : "Don't be sorry. Embrace it". Saul is gonna do what needs to be done and won't let anyone hold him back.
Also, the promotional picture of this season shows us a sad Jimmy holding a happy Saul mask.
I think whats frightening about better call saul and the diffrence between it and breaking bad
Is how walt and jimmy use thier alternate personas
In breaking bad you can tell the exact moment walt lets go of his control and lets Heisenberg out, and as the series progresses heisenberg starts to overpower walt and he becomes him and can control him whenever he want, for the good and for the worse
What’s frightening with better call saul is you can never tell when saul becomes jimmy, there is never a facial expression change to make you say “oh thats saul”, with walt you can tell when his eyes change, when his smile turns upside down, but saul is like defense mechanism jimmy uses to protect himself from all his feelings and guilt
This is the moment when Jimmy become Saul.
@@lcdream4213 That's the most egregious thing upon rewatching Breaking Bad. Bryan Cranston is a fantastic actor, which makes it all the more jarring when he goes into "Heisenberg mode" and it feels as if he's being directed like a Marvel supervillain. I really love the ambiguity in Jimmy's state of mind in the later seasons of BCS over the comical, unsubtle shifts in Bryan Cranston's facial expressions in the later seasons of BB.
Yeah, for sure he is suffering from disassociative disorder.
Well you were pretty spot on now after the last drop he became full drugged saul
This is the moment where Howard becomes Heisenberg.
lol
Solid Snake you god damn right
Bruh
That was a great moment, but my favourite part of this episode is when Chuck came back from the dead and took out Jack's white supremacist gang single-handed.
@@htasul bruh
Poor howard, such a shame he never found out that Jimmy was the one who let the insurance company know about Chuck.
To be perfectly fair, they would have known eventually, this just sped the situation up greatly
See.. to me.. it’s scenes like this that elevate BCS above BrBa to me. BrBa’s “peak-drama” moments usually involved life and death stakes.. but BCS is much, much deeper.
YES, you said it perfectly. The situations are much more mundane and usually don't involve just life or death, which paradoxically makes it all that much more powerful and real to me. Don't get me wrong, BrBa was a life experience for me as a show but BCS feels much more complex in its stakes and events, as you can see in Chuck's death. I love this show.
just because it isn't about life and death doesn't make it deeper. BCS has not deeper drama, but it is able to deliever the same depth as breaking bad with lower stakes.
Breaking Bad was Drama and Crime Thriller so it has to live upto that on the other hand Better Call Saul is a Drama, apples and oranges. :)
@@muffinman5741 On the contrary, I think BCS does a much better job of portraying the relationships of the principles than BB does. I like BB, but I also thought it made the mistake of overreach in developing its characters.
I agree. Adore Breaking Bad but there's a level of depth and humanity about Better Call Saul that makes the series more emotionally impactful.
I didn't like how Jimmy fueled Howard's self guilt.
This show makes you both love and hate the main character.
yeah its real ironic that Kim was screaming at Howard for not taking Jimmy's feelings into account in this scene when Jimmy was just using Howard as a scapegoat for his actions that ultimately lead to Chuck's actions and relapse
Really interesting scene.
When Howard says he went downhill after the insurance - that was Jimmy's final scam on his brother - remember he was the one that told them about his breakdown in court.
No one else knows he did that, so at that moment, Howard was unwittingly placing the blame on Chucks death solely on Jimmy. I think this is the moment he really switches off his emotions for his brother - remember how utterly emotionless he was when read Chucks letter later on? My theory is Jimmy just couldn't handle it so he projected his feelings of guilt and pretended he didn't care, because it was the only way for him to cope at that point. That's why he responds the way he does to Howard and starts whistling - he's projecting his own guilt and just mentally completely checks out.
definitely agree, that's how i took Jimmy's attitude towards Chuck's death too, and the fact that Jimmy started distracting himself from the situation as much as he could (for example taking the job at the cell phone store instead of taking Kim's recommendation and talking to a therapist) really cemented it for me
@@atroe143 yeah, he knew that he would be broken af after seeing psychologists
The expression of Howard made me feel sad!! He is one of my favorites characters (with Mike and Nacho) and that was unfair and cruel...but in the end times, he will pay every debt... since Chuck´s death until Drew Sharp´s death..he was part of it
They are making me dislike Jimmy now
@@assasinsjeff well i guess thats your cross to bear. Lol Jimmy is still my favorite character from this show and breaking bad.
Unfair and cruel? No. Howard talked down to Jimmy; Howard held Jimmy in contempt. Now, Jimmy takes advantage of Howard's weakness and show of vulnerability. Doing in return to Howard what Howard has been doing to him. That's not unfair and cruel. It's called payback and revenge
Max McD To be conflating revenge with fairness makes you seem extremely childish.
@@shinji136 assumptions are rarely accurate .. not every comment is to be taken literally, or as if it's a window into someone's mind lol
This hits different after last episode
I did a full 180 on howard with this scene. Yes he was a prick, but he did not kill chuck, jimmy and chuck did. And it's horrible to see him throughout the season, trying to live with himself for something he did not even do. I hope Jimmy eventually tells him the truth, but with Saul taking over, i doubt it.
i think chuck really hurt jimmy and made him hate chuck when he said "you've never mattered all that much to me". jimmy was depressed this whole episode only because he thought he was directly responsible for chuck's death. but now with howard's revelation, he has finally learned to turn a blind eye and say shit happens, it's not my fault. now all that's left is something bad to happen with kim and we have the unethical criminal lawyer we saw in the original show. it's jimmy's turn to break bad
TM Riddle. Yep. And that sort of thing indeed creates a disdain for the person. Not really an emotion of hate though, more of an indifference rather than hate. Howard's revelation reveals to Jimmy that Howard is weak and vulnerable, And given Howard's voiced contempt for Jimmy all along, same as Chuck, this confession now puts Jimmy in a position of power over Howard, which he makes clear with the "it's your cross to bear" comment followed by the making of coffee, which is the equivalent of telling Howard "coffee has more value to me than you"
@@bestoutcomes lmaoo you tripping
The insurance company found out about chucks condition from Jimmy...
@@bdcopp exactly! It was all Jimmy’s fault
Howard never found out it was Jimmy who told the insurance company 😢
That thing at the end is neither a Jimmy thing nor Saul thing it seemed very strange to me and out of place but maybe it's just a copping mechanism.
Or maybe Jimmy was actually thrilled to find out that his insurance ploy led to Chuck's death?
This is still him, just the side we don't see in Breaking Bad because he was not a main character.
It's actually a normal reaction to a loss which is followed by something not expected. The statement by Howard has evaporated the grieving and replaced it with a sweet satisfaction that Howard -- the tough guy all this time -- has been agonizing over this thus a weakness he's not ever shown, and Jimmy takes pleasure in it. Making coffee is the equivalent of rubbing Howard's face in the dirt -- he's just been told "it's your cross to bear" and now Jimmy asks him if he wants coffee!
To me it just seemed like momentary insanity/cruelty caused by grief. We all know how strange that can make people act.
Interesting perspectives all around here - to me it felt like Howard's confession about other turmoil with Chuck, made Jimmy more relieved from his own burden. The cake wasn't entirely his, so to speak, now that he found out Chuck might have had other reasons driving him other than Jimmy.
4:10 Imagine his pain. I felt that.
I felt bad for Howard in that moment :(
Well I guess that's your cross to bear
I didn't. Howard was a slithering coward who enjoyed meddling in other peoples' business
@@hasan_zlmao, rewatching BCS 3 years later, searched for this video again and I see this 😂
This was the moment Walt became Hesisenberg
This was the moment I'm sick of this meme.
That's exactly the same comment you can find below every single BCS-video on RUclips that's about Chuck and Jimmy. Seems like Jimmy became Heisenberg every second episode...
Walt was probably pissed at a student at his school at that moment and became heisenberg
Jeez, Howard's face at the end just crushes me...
As chuck said why the guilt why regrets you know you will hurt people just accept it
Chuck was always the antagonist. He never saw Jimmy capable of being anything else and always had a resentment and short patience (as evidenced by the childhood flashback scene). The age disparity probably had Chuck at a point where he always resented Jimmy for so much as being born because instead of being an only child, their parents had another one to share their love with. Any "wrong" Jimmy ever did to Chuck was a fair hit back at the ones Chuck was constantly dealing to Jimmy. It's unfortunate the last exchange lead to all this but it was more of a series of unfortunate events rather than solely being Jimmy's fault.
thus began me feeling sorry for howard, all throughout from this season until season 6. poor guy.
HE WAS A GOOD ONE
This is the moment when Howard became Mrs. ASAC Schrader
The moment Kim became a Cross to bear
This is when Donald Margola became teddy bear eye
Howard was more of a family to chuck than Jimmy...at the church, Howard was the one who should have been consoled.
jimmy loved his brother, howard shouldnt have dumped that on him right after the funeral
That’s not true, they still were brothers and Jimmy took care of Chuck for a long time when he fell ill.
Jimmy did all the leg work for Chuck's daily activities without electricity while Chuck was "ill". We saw how much house work was needed when Chuck hired outside help for that.
Poor Howard!
Fuck Howard
for free?
@@ramennoddle599 he did nothing wrong
This is the moment that a momentous moment momentarily occurs in a TV show full of moments momentarily momentous. Moment.
Truly
The goldfish in their apartment that Jimmy feeds at the end of the scene is the same one that Jimmy used as an alibi to bring to the vet that hooked him up with Huell. The first thing he had Huell do for him is plant a battery on Chuck which led to his suicide. Every time we see the goldfish, we are reminded of how much Jimmy hated Chuck.
Nice try with this one.
I think in the end Jimmy positively removed himself from that conservation and anything concerning Chuck. It's like he couldn't bring the energy to comfort Howard who he probably still has mixed feelings about or to care about his brother's death or well just care in general.
Yessss this!! I couldn't really put into words why I felt he acted this way here, but it's exactly that, thank you
4:05 "Well, Howard, I guess that you cross the bare" goodbye Jimmy McGill and hello for SAUL GOODMAN
Daniel Nikrasov i see this kind of comment on a ton of other saul clips, but his inner saul comes out at times and not all at once
@@Aerochalklate in brba its just saul there is no jimmy so what happens so he becames into saul?
That's why I love BCS more than BB. Every character is good, every character matters. In BB, regular civilians were pretty boring and undermining the show. Here, both criminals and civilians are so well written, so deep, that most of the best scenes are just civilian talks like this one
Even the germans? Or the 50% off guys?
@@TheSynking even them too, the 50% off guys were annoying but they weren't boring
@@TypicalTip I found their dialogue pretty cringeworthy and not in the intended way, lol. I think both shows suffer from poor writing for minor characters, BCS marginally less so.
1:47 he looks just exactly like Chuck
In my view Chuck was the only one responsible for how his life eventually lead to chaos and death, Chuck was as one-dimensional as a person could EVER become, he had no life, no friends, no hubbies outside of the world of being a lawyer. He was fantastic at his job, but having all of your apples in one basket does nothing but invite hell once that one thing doesn't go as you want it. That's why a life outside of work is so important, family, friends, hobbies etc. Nothing in life is stable, and when your job becomes to difficult you need something to pull you back in balance and vise-versa.
I agree, Work/life balance is very important. As a matter a fact, its better to work, to live your life instead of living to work. Chuck is responsible for Jimmy becoming Saul although truth be told I think he more likely sped up the process. Jimmy might have been a liter version of what he was in BB, if Chuck just believed in him more instead of being jealous.
I think you're missing the point- Chuck is at the end of his life in every single avenue. He never got over his failed relationships, both romantic & platonic, and was driven to mental illness and hermitage.
ok but out of context that delivery of "look at her go" was adorable
honestly after everything this is still one of the coldest things jimmy’s ever done
This is the moment when Howard becomes sad.
4:22 almost feels like a Tony Soprano moment
It’s sad how chucks last words to jimmy was “you don’t matter to me” it’s sad what you say because you never know what happens next 😔
Hate to be that guy but 4:22 THIS is the moment Jimmy becomes Saul Goodman.
It's nice that despite what happened between them Cliff was still sympathetic towards Jimmy. And yeah it would be inhuman not to be in a moment like this but it's still nice to see.
It’s crazy that where Howard is sitting is exactly where he gets shot in the head
Better Call Saul is far more depressing and dark than Breaking Bad and that's exactly what I like about it
In a very different way. Sometimes It's psychologically disturbing as well.
@@moony3890 very much so, it is the perfect time to end this universe. Albeit sad on the other hand that it's over
@@moony3890scene of Chuck relapsing and tearing his house down was really messed up
In the end Saul looks through the blue (!) aquarium, gives the fish a treat, smiles, and says 'look at 'r go'. That's the key phrase, because he won't know if the goldfish is a he or a she. He was referring to Kim.
Every big decision that he made, he made for Kim. She got a law degree, so he did as well, to be on equal footing with her. He didn't do that for his brother. He purposefully blew the lucrative job out of town, because it got him away from her. He changed the address on the legal form for her. He even blew his own con with the elderly ladies, so he could continue to have her respect.
He was pensive after Chuck's death, but mostly because of what it would have meant to Kim, knowing that she was partially responsible for pushing him over the edge. So when Howard offered the solution, by bringing up the insurance story, he gladly accepted, because it got Kim off the hook.
'Look at 'r go!'. Saul won a good one against corrupted company, on Kim's behalf, and without even trying. The irony is that he'll end up seeing her go...
I love it, but remember last season, the vet told him that it was a girl
Good point. It doesn't change the theme, though. It is as natural for him to align himself with that positive theme (his love for Kim), as it impossible for him to accept that he is responsible for his own brother's death. That's his dark secret. His initial response was lighthearted, as a way of sidestepping the shock, but it will start eating away at him. It is starting to look as if 'Saul' is his escape from that pain.
And he only got this fish to go to the vet with the criminal ties
Sorry, I dont see any correlation there. The aquarium bit as a metaphor for Kim seems vastly far-fetched. Its a scene to emphasis the lack of care and concern he has for Howard’s guilt ridden theory that he is responsible for his brother’s death. Jimmy felt he was the one responsible before this meeting, instead of sympathizing with Howard he is completely indifferent and informs him how he is the reason for Chuck’s death and his guilt to live with. He got rid of his guilt. At this point, Saul doesn’t care anymore and removes himself from any conversation related to his late brother.
Wonder if Jimmy and Kim will appear at Howard’s funeral.
They probably will just because it would look suspicious if they didn't, should make for an emotionally excruciating scene, I hope they really make Jimmy and Kim FEEL it
Same piece that Chuck played on the piano is playing, Sicillienne by Faure
This is the place where Howard went to Belize
Most honest and authentic show on television.
Jim threw his grief and anger into Howard the moment he mentioned the insurance
Jim’s mind immediately blamed Howard to essentially mentally protect himself
4:05 and it's at this moment that Jimmy became Pontius Pilate
After Jimmy says "I guess thats your cross to bare", Kim was noticeably un settled afterwards. Such a cruel thing to say.
So cruel that by saying that Jimmy behaves a bit like Chuck
Jimmy certainly did nothing to disabuse Howard of that notion he let it lie with him.
This moment reminded me of Walt's speech after plane crash
Howard: I think he did what he did because of me
Jimmy: I missed the part where that's my problem
Good thing he offered him some coffee, or he would have been rude
Jimmy McGill died shortly before his brother.
Now there is only Saul Goodman.
Chuck wanted Jimmy to be a good person, so Jimmy became a Goodman.
That's the music Chuck was playing on the piano.
It's a great scene, but chucks funeral could have been longer. It was only like 1 minute long.
Janko Nator Yeah, i expected it to be longer
Agreed! They could have done so much more with this important moment.
Perfect sudden cut from church orchestra to car engine sound. Don't forget that Jimmy is our protagonist and this abrupt scene conveys just how much he does not care about his brother at this point, even his funeral is akin to chores.
20 seconds would have been even better
I think it’s supposed to show how Jimmy basically feels nothing or just doesn’t know how to feel
Look at her go! The fish was barely moving.
Parallel to Walt whistling after Drew Sharp's death.
2:59 3:04 3:21 I watch Jimmy face as Howard says that and I wonder. Does he realizes *at this very moment* he has pushed his brother to suicide, through that malpractice thing ? or did he realized it *before that* ? And thus unloaded his guilt on Howard, which is truly horrible ?
yeah it's when Howard mentionned the insurance that Jimmy understood he's responsible for Chuck suicide
And yes, he unloaded his guilt on Howard
I hate how me and my one brothers relationship is similar to these two. I would like to think I'm Jimmy in this situation but having a brother who always does whatever he can to keep me down makes me understand how Jimmy is reacting. I wouldn't say we have it as bad as these two by far but I used to try for a while to be nice to my brother but he never changed and I've been cold for years. I pray I die before him, being I'm the older brother, but I hope I care about him and his passing if that day were to come. Right now I see myself acting as Jimmy but I still care a little bit. I hope he changes and I'll try to change myself
Family is complicated
You're not alone. ): My family competes with me too. It used to be my older brother, but now it's my own Mom. It never ends with competitive people, as soon as they take you as a threat to their inflated identity... they make their identity your problem...
Better Call Saul is written like a minefield of dialogues, and whenever one such as this goes off, it goes like a nuke.
The part at the beginning is really well portrayed. I think in a situation like this, having 50 people come up to you and tell you how sorry they are without any meaning behind it has to be emotionally exhausting. It's the last thing I'd want.
3:04 oh shoot it worked
The song played in the church give the feeling of a new beginning.
Any of my fellow Spanish-speaking fans noticed the editing mistake at the 29:45 mark of the episode? The Capo says, "El territorio de Salamanca *ca* se queda el territorio de Salamanca." Now, I'm not pointing out the bad Spanish construction, which should have been "se queda de Salamanca"-I'm talking about the extra "ca", the last syllable of Salamanca, that's heard just when we cut to Nacho: that's an obvious sound editing mistake!
It's not a editing mistake. It was advisable. This cut is called 'L Cut'.
Pablo Alex Oh, o.k. thanks for the term, really, those things interest me a great deal. How do you mean it was advisable, though? Shouldn't they have split it correctly so the speech wouldn't have that meaningless syllable in the middle?
But I do love the look Kim shoots as Jimmy after his very callous comeback against Howard. Chuck got what was coming to him as he had to have known that Jimmy's malpractice insurance would skyrocket, but then again it was his intention to throw Jimmy out of the law profession. Nevertheless, Jimmy could have been at least gracious with his silence after Howard's confession rather than grinding him under his heel.
I'd have done the same thing to such a person as Howard; Howard held Jimmy in contempt and talked down to him. In this scene, Howard is showing a vulnerability and Jimmy simply puts him in his place, which is the only time he's been given such an opportunity. The making of coffee was Jimmy's way of telling Howard he (Howard) is dead to him
Damn Howard that's crazy, but I don't remember asking
I loved when Kim ripped into Howard in the next episode. What a great scene for both actors
" You can’t conceive of what I’m capable of! "
The weird match of those 2 scenes just made us think how psychopath Jimmy became...
Howard really wouldn’t hurt a fly. Wow
Jimmy is just happy that it wasn't him that made him kill himself and he can put the blame on someone else.
Jimmy's coffee offer reminded me of Meursault having coffee with milk when he visited his dead mother in Albert Camus's novel "The Stranger"
Losers blame Chuck for being spiteful towards Jimmy. He never killed him. Jimmy's spite led to Chuck's death. And his Slippin' led to many others.
Good ol slippin Jimmy!
Saulfans will try and reject this fact.
Jimmy is just pure evil. Chuck knew that and that's why he tried to stop him from using a lawyer's title to exploit the law.
Imagine how it would’ve for if Howard ever found out Jimmy was the one that caused the issue with the insurance.
He probably would have snapped and offed Jimmy.
I feel really sad seeing Howard here, knowing his fate later on in the series.
Chuck siempre tuvo la razón, "al final vas a herir a todos a tu alrededor, no puedes evitarlo ..eres Slippin' Jimmy"
Anyone else play Civ 5 and can't get the funeral theme out of their head?
4:07 best line in the show
It’s too bad that Howard was a living reminder of Chuck for Jimmy and because he had 0 bond with Howard ever, it made him an easy target later on.
Jimmy was pretty much responsible for Chuck’s death…
1) By directly sabotaging his career via going to the Insurance company and discrediting Chucks’s (previously) untouchable reputation. This subsequently led to Howard believing that Chuck had finally become a risk to the business they had both worked so hard to build up for decades (on-top of months and months of Chuck being paranoid over electrical currents, despite Howard’s unrelenting support and consideration towards his “condition”).
2) Previous to this Jimmy also tampered with Verde’s documents which of course is linked to the start of damaging Chuck’s reputation and mental state of mind even further downhill.
3) Yes Chuck was already ill (which is no fault of Jimmy) however these sequence of events that led to ending Chuck’s law career, certainly pushed him over the edge to commit suicide.
Therefore Jimmy directly pinning the blame at Howard (who is open and honest about his guilt) is truly pathetic, sick and cowardice behaviour.
Howard isn’t perfect but he always tried to do the ‘right thing’ and help others, holding himself accountable even if it wasn’t his fault.
This is the moment Jimmy became Saul.
Saul goodman is basically if the joker became a lawyer
You folks saying that Howard had no friends and no one cared for him, were Jimmy, Rebecca, and maybe/maybe not Howard, are ridiculous.
Have you really never known someone that lived their work? Something they took so seriously, and cared so much about, that it was above everything else?
It was Chuck who didn't care about everyone else, especially Jimmy. Chuck flat out admits that and shows it throughout his role in the show.
When Jimmy confronts him about holding him back all along, says to him "You're not a lawyer! You're Slipplin' Jimmy!" then goes on to talk about how sacred the law is, and too important and dear to him, that he can't let Jimmy have a real chance at a significant law firm. Also saying "Slippin' Jimmy with a law degree is like a chimp with a gun!".
People only talk tk Chuck about the law, because that's all he wants to talk about, that's all he cares to talk about. He doesn't want to hear about anyone else's day, their plans that weekend, where they're going on vacation, and certainly doesn't want to see pictures of their kids.
All of his peers want to be close to him. Yes, some for selfish reasons, but many because they are in awe of him, and would love to personally know a genius like him. He rebuffs them all, he has no time for that. He has a case to work on and prepare for!
Chuck doesn't even care about Howard. He cares about being separated from the firm for good.
Chuck is nothing but a great lawyer to everyone, because that's whay he wants. That all he cares to have. Everyone and everything else is just details
right after he told Jimmy he didn't care about him his EHS returned and quickly got worse and worse. before that he was fine
I hope they explain how Jimmy got the Cadillac de ville.
you'd defo love to see his first car from the "Bagman" episode in s5
Jimmy is going to tell Howard about what he did to the insurance in season six. It’s something that has to happen to permanently wedge a divide between these two characters for good.
If only
@@Freeformpeak403 I only wonder where it would’ve fit best if the writers had added it in. It’s a shame Howard didn’t get to see Saul Goodman’s BB office though.
Somone please tell me the song that's in the background, those violins are amazing.
nvm I found it Gabriel Fauré - Sicilienne, Op 78
@@keksz6799 Thanks for posting it