Thanks. There is no way I want to try and get that particular tone, and I think most people don’t either. But the idea of have an acoustic style tone without a piezo system was interesting. Still a great sounding set, just wouldn’t be one that I personally would grab off the shelf not knowing anything about them!
@@BaritoneGoatStudio exactly! I play in a tribute band so acoustic sounds definitely would be cool, but not at the expense of most of the other pickup voices sounding very similar. I’ll stick with my classics that are incredibly diverse and find an alternative for the couple acoustic songs we play.
I think innovation usually is kind of strange! Anyway, thanks for the review. I find that some of the Fishman Fluence pickups kind of blend together and sound very similar. Good sounding, but similar. I'm happy these are at least different.
Thanks! I have watched a handful of your vids and you have a great way of explaining concepts that seem esoteric or intangible until someone puts the right words to them! I am glad Fishman is trying to pave the way with their tech, which is innovative in its own right, and with these pickups I do see some benefit in versatility. I didn’t highlight it in the video, but voice 2 on the neck with some distortion had an interesting texture and was unique for sure. I just went a little by the book with what I figured the purpose of each voicing might be!
@@benburnett8109 well, he says that their influence on tone when being filtered through high amounts of gain is negligible. He tries lately to hammer home that a pickups clean tone will vary, but not likely enough to make a qualitative difference in the tone. He is by all accounts an engineer and knows that he can nullify most variability with an EQ. I do have a preference for certain clean tones over others. He doesn’t seem to think that matters. As a guitarist I do find that many humbuckers sound similar. Between brands, if they are the same magnet type and similar output the sound pretty much the same. The shift between an Alnico V and Alnico II to me is subtle, but a ceramic magnet does have a different response. I think that if certain frequencies are missing or are over emphasized upfront, my ability to play comfortably is influenced, even with gain. This is even in a case where the end product is sonically indistinguishable.
@@BaritoneGoatStudio Are you Calling Glenn fricker a Liar? Glenn hates pickups and loves speakers......and you seem to be simping for him. SO what is it: Glenn is wrong or Glenn is right? Why would Glenn lie to over 500 thousand subscibers even if 70% of those subs are bought? Why would Glenn say something like this And Kyle Bull suckles at the tit of Glenn!!! Could Kyle be wrong? YOu are turning the guitar community on it's head............It seems like you are calling Glenn "I'm the king of clickbait" fRICKER a liar!!!!!
@@BaritoneGoatStudio Glenn Fricker says that amps don't matter only speakers do. SO no matter what plugin you are using it is wrong. YOU need to check with Glenn about what speakers to use because only speakers change tone.
@@benburnett8109 the plug-in has a built in IR that uses IRDX to try and emulate the non linear phase of a real speaker. Bogren makes some of the best IRs available. Given Glenn’s enamor for the Tonex stuff, I think he considers the amp to influence some percentage of the tone. Even if he sees it as negligible in the grand scheme. I don’t quite take that view wholesale. He isn’t wrong though that the speaker and mic combo will be the final “EQ” for the tone as it is heard. Even clean tones benefit from a well voiced speaker.
First, this is amazing. No joke I was wondering if anyone has put Tim Hensons’ in a Les Paul. And I think you’re this first man. But I’m purchasing a studio custom shop w/ a Floyd and I was like fluences would make it so much better. I’m glad you made for sure
Great vid dude! You inspired me to buy the TH sig ibanez since I love my AZ i got years ago. I mostly play 7 string heavy stuff, but I wanted a 6 string that had interesting clean/low gain pickups. You're right tho that the bridge and neck are kind of basic, nothing too wild, the split sounds are what separate these pickups imo. Should be noted that to my surprise the TH sig ibanez guitar has a different shaped neck profile (to my surprise) and I love it. its like a super comfortable 60s les paul, not thin ibanez/schecter like neck at all... and i usually go for the thin necks and 20 radius fretboards... I think i paid like 1200 at guitar center for it.. pretty good deal for a unique sounding clean-ish centric guitar. Great vid! thumbed up :)
@@msi1985 I know voice 1 on the TH bridge is ripped from the voice 2 on the classics. And the voice 1 on the TH neck sounds alot like voice 2 on the classics as well. I don’t particularly care for the second voice on the TH bridge. I would rather have the PAF voice from the classics instead. Ideally I would pair the TH neck with the open core classic bridge, just to have the “piezo” style voice as an option. The Scott LePage pickups are just the Open Core Classics with gold pole pieces. I would opt for those over these.
@@BaritoneGoatStudio yeah I definitely feel what you're saying. I think the open core classics are actually really underrated pretty versatile pickups for what they are.... Took me a while to actually appreciate that though
Hmmm the piezo emulation voice just sounds like a guitar di track lol All for innovation, but some experiments are more about finding out what doesn’t work, I guess…
That actually is a pretty apt comparison. It does sound somewhat flat and un-dynamic in a way. Like the amp was removed. I know it is just an EQ applied and I imagine one might be able to better dial it in to sound more “acoustic”… Maybe it is meant be more of an assist toward getting that tone as opposed to a full on standalone thing? I do think I should have tried to capture the effect through one of my actual amps as it seemed to be more natural that way, but I also think abrupt tone shifts can trick us into hearing what we think we should. Often on playback I am less convinced about how drastic of an effect something has than when I am in the midst of playing.
@@BaritoneGoatStudio albeit this is totally subjective, but pushing this 'piezo/di sound' to edge of breakup is pretty cool compared to my musicman w/ piezo, it doesnt do this edge of breakup slapbass sound as well as these TH pickups do (imo).
Yeah. The voice 2 on the neck is innovative for that tone. But I didn’t get anything real interesting from the voice 2 on the bridge. They definitely aren’t my particular cup of tea.
@@jackbootshamangaming4541 All the prog/didn't pickups are below 14.5k, usually quite far under. Ideal for controlled dynamics and attack. Most people get too hot pickups and crank the gain on amps way too high, that's something EMGs are very guilty of.
@@jambertin54 it just sticks out more when blended with other tones. It has a pretty pronounced cut and attack characteristic. I should play with more spatial tones. It sort of sounds like the dimarzio Vai pickup in its mid character, and honestly I think it would sound much better in the neck position.
I can actually hear that for some tracks. Their collab tracks with other vocalists on the last album tend to be ones I prefer. And I like Scott LePage’s guitar style a little more than Tim. Tim tends to draw inspiration from other mediums and just seems to stumble upon stuff that lines up with classical movements somehow. If you ever listened to Russian composers who use a lot of staccato, it kinda has those vibes.
I agree, their first album was pretty sick but everything since then is regurgitation of the same fiddle diddly annoying noise that makes me wanna hammer screwdrivers into my ears
I always thought it sounds like a person trying to tune their guitar using harmonics. They hit the 2 harmonics then they hit the chords to see if it's in tune. When they realize it's not In tune they get mad and hit the strings real hard in frustration
BTW *hot* Rod PAF is the proper term… not sure how my editing skills got so lax… 😂
That piezo tone is phenomenal. Def grabbing the 7 string version for my Jackson Mark Heylum signature model
This was really cool and one of the best demos of the Hensons for the everyday dude not playing Polyphia!
Thanks. There is no way I want to try and get that particular tone, and I think most people don’t either. But the idea of have an acoustic style tone without a piezo system was interesting. Still a great sounding set, just wouldn’t be one that I personally would grab off the shelf not knowing anything about them!
@@BaritoneGoatStudio exactly! I play in a tribute band so acoustic sounds definitely would be cool, but not at the expense of most of the other pickup voices sounding very similar. I’ll stick with my classics that are incredibly diverse and find an alternative for the couple acoustic songs we play.
I think innovation usually is kind of strange! Anyway, thanks for the review. I find that some of the Fishman Fluence pickups kind of blend together and sound very similar. Good sounding, but similar. I'm happy these are at least different.
Thanks! I have watched a handful of your vids and you have a great way of explaining concepts that seem esoteric or intangible until someone puts the right words to them!
I am glad Fishman is trying to pave the way with their tech, which is innovative in its own right, and with these pickups I do see some benefit in versatility. I didn’t highlight it in the video, but voice 2 on the neck with some distortion had an interesting texture and was unique for sure. I just went a little by the book with what I figured the purpose of each voicing might be!
Glenn fricker says all pickups sound the same and only speakers change tone.
@@benburnett8109 well, he says that their influence on tone when being filtered through high amounts of gain is negligible. He tries lately to hammer home that a pickups clean tone will vary, but not likely enough to make a qualitative difference in the tone. He is by all accounts an engineer and knows that he can nullify most variability with an EQ. I do have a preference for certain clean tones over others. He doesn’t seem to think that matters.
As a guitarist I do find that many humbuckers sound similar. Between brands, if they are the same magnet type and similar output the sound pretty much the same. The shift between an Alnico V and Alnico II to me is subtle, but a ceramic magnet does have a different response.
I think that if certain frequencies are missing or are over emphasized upfront, my ability to play comfortably is influenced, even with gain. This is even in a case where the end product is sonically indistinguishable.
@@BaritoneGoatStudio Are you Calling Glenn fricker a Liar? Glenn hates pickups and loves speakers......and you seem to be simping for him. SO what is it: Glenn is wrong or Glenn is right? Why would Glenn lie to over 500 thousand subscibers even if 70% of those subs are bought? Why would Glenn say something like this And Kyle Bull suckles at the tit of Glenn!!! Could Kyle be wrong? YOu are turning the guitar community on it's head............It seems like you are calling Glenn "I'm the king of clickbait" fRICKER a liar!!!!!
@@benburnett8109 I can’t speak to anyone’s intent, so not a liar… he is just not a guitarist more than an engineer.
Love that HR PAF .. thanks for the demo!
That is one of the best voices hands down!
What effect dsp or something are you using from 3:04 ? thx
That section I am using the Bogren Digital MLC Subzero 100 plug-in.
@@BaritoneGoatStudio Glenn Fricker says that amps don't matter only speakers do. SO no matter what plugin you are using it is wrong. YOU need to check with Glenn about what speakers to use because only speakers change tone.
@@benburnett8109 the plug-in has a built in IR that uses IRDX to try and emulate the non linear phase of a real speaker. Bogren makes some of the best IRs available. Given Glenn’s enamor for the Tonex stuff, I think he considers the amp to influence some percentage of the tone. Even if he sees it as negligible in the grand scheme. I don’t quite take that view wholesale.
He isn’t wrong though that the speaker and mic combo will be the final “EQ” for the tone as it is heard. Even clean tones benefit from a well voiced speaker.
The single coil sounded more piezo than the actual piezo pickup
First, this is amazing. No joke I was wondering if anyone has put Tim Hensons’ in a Les Paul. And I think you’re this first man. But I’m purchasing a studio custom shop w/ a Floyd and I was like fluences would make it so much better. I’m glad you made for sure
They are a very versatile set of pickups and I think they sound pretty good in the LP.
Great vid dude! You inspired me to buy the TH sig ibanez since I love my AZ i got years ago. I mostly play 7 string heavy stuff, but I wanted a 6 string that had interesting clean/low gain pickups. You're right tho that the bridge and neck are kind of basic, nothing too wild, the split sounds are what separate these pickups imo. Should be noted that to my surprise the TH sig ibanez guitar has a different shaped neck profile (to my surprise) and I love it. its like a super comfortable 60s les paul, not thin ibanez/schecter like neck at all... and i usually go for the thin necks and 20 radius fretboards... I think i paid like 1200 at guitar center for it.. pretty good deal for a unique sounding clean-ish centric guitar. Great vid! thumbed up :)
These pickups sound a lot like the open core classics. I've got a set from my Keith merrow 7 string, and there are a heck of a lot of similarities.
@@msi1985 I know voice 1 on the TH bridge is ripped from the voice 2 on the classics. And the voice 1 on the TH neck sounds alot like voice 2 on the classics as well. I don’t particularly care for the second voice on the TH bridge. I would rather have the PAF voice from the classics instead.
Ideally I would pair the TH neck with the open core classic bridge, just to have the “piezo” style voice as an option. The Scott LePage pickups are just the Open Core Classics with gold pole pieces. I would opt for those over these.
@@BaritoneGoatStudio yeah I definitely feel what you're saying. I think the open core classics are actually really underrated pretty versatile pickups for what they are.... Took me a while to actually appreciate that though
Hmmm the piezo emulation voice just sounds like a guitar di track lol
All for innovation, but some experiments are more about finding out what doesn’t work, I guess…
That actually is a pretty apt comparison. It does sound somewhat flat and un-dynamic in a way. Like the amp was removed. I know it is just an EQ applied and I imagine one might be able to better dial it in to sound more “acoustic”…
Maybe it is meant be more of an assist toward getting that tone as opposed to a full on standalone thing? I do think I should have tried to capture the effect through one of my actual amps as it seemed to be more natural that way, but I also think abrupt tone shifts can trick us into hearing what we think we should.
Often on playback I am less convinced about how drastic of an effect something has than when I am in the midst of playing.
Glenn fricker says you are an idiot for believing "pickup" hype.
@@BaritoneGoatStudio albeit this is totally subjective, but pushing this 'piezo/di sound' to edge of breakup is pretty cool compared to my musicman w/ piezo, it doesnt do this edge of breakup slapbass sound as well as these TH pickups do (imo).
These sound odd, def would skip. Not a fan of his music, hes a great player but still. The hotrodded paf you can get with classics or many other ones.
Yeah. The voice 2 on the neck is innovative for that tone. But I didn’t get anything real interesting from the voice 2 on the bridge. They definitely aren’t my particular cup of tea.
I have to say as a metal player I don't want piezo sounds...just an active emg 81 or passive ceramic humbucker around 16-18k DC resistance...
I hear that. I do like some of the lower output passive stuff ~12-14k for low tunings sometimes.
I've learned that 12-14k is best honestly. I prefer it over my fishman's. I just went back to passives. @@BaritoneGoatStudio
damn straight. Standard sounds are new sounds especially when an average player does average things with those basic tones.
@@jackbootshamangaming4541 All the prog/didn't pickups are below 14.5k, usually quite far under. Ideal for controlled dynamics and attack. Most people get too hot pickups and crank the gain on amps way too high, that's something EMGs are very guilty of.
I don't think voice 2 is for leads at all. Who wants a weaker/thinner sound for a solo? It doesn't make sense.
@@jambertin54 it just sticks out more when blended with other tones. It has a pretty pronounced cut and attack characteristic. I should play with more spatial tones. It sort of sounds like the dimarzio Vai pickup in its mid character, and honestly I think it would sound much better in the neck position.
One half anime character…..😂
I mean… pretty much!!
Tim's style sounds like someone slowly dropping a drawer full of silverware down a staircase.
I can't stand his music for more than 30 seconds.
I can actually hear that for some tracks. Their collab tracks with other vocalists on the last album tend to be ones I prefer. And I like Scott LePage’s guitar style a little more than Tim. Tim tends to draw inspiration from other mediums and just seems to stumble upon stuff that lines up with classical movements somehow. If you ever listened to Russian composers who use a lot of staccato, it kinda has those vibes.
Polyphia sounds like video game music... not catchy..you can't "hum it" just a bunch of flashy scales put together into a "song".
Very gay take
@@caseywoods6647He forgot to add their absolute shills of a fanbase… let it be, people don’t like them
Glenn Fricker says the exact same thing. Glad to see you parrot the dumbest guy on the internet.
I agree, their first album was pretty sick but everything since then is regurgitation of the same fiddle diddly annoying noise that makes me wanna hammer screwdrivers into my ears
I always thought it sounds like a person trying to tune their guitar using harmonics.
They hit the 2 harmonics then they hit the chords to see if it's in tune. When they realize it's not In tune they get mad and hit the strings real hard in frustration