Behind The Scenes: Final Day of U S Gymnastics Championships 2024
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
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Today are watching the final competition of the U.S. Championships in Ft. Worth. The top two all-rounders automatically qualify to Olympic Trials. This meet features Olympic all-around champions, Simone Biles and Suni Lee alongside their multi-World and Olympic medal winning teammates. We are answering your questions live.
We discuss:
Who made it to Olympic Trials!
What Simone Biles said to Suni Lee to help her after the vault fall
Update on the tv-cable saboteur
Shilese Jones and Kaliya Lincoln health and petition updates
If Skye Blakely maintained her dominance
Did Jade Carey or Kayla DiCello make any routine adjustments
The second coming of Josc Roberson
Jordan Chiles and Leanne Wong making a case for themselves
An update on Florida's Trinity Thomas
Plus, alllllll the behind the scenes stories that you didn't see on tv. 
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Suni Lee is an amazing gymnast. The amount of overcoming and self-discipline to take care of her body with the kidney disease is admirable. She's a performer she always rises to the occasion. She didn't let that fall on vault affect her at all for the rest of the competition. She has the mind of a champion. I want to see her at the Olympics
Agree 100%! In the case that anything bad happens in the Team Final, you need someone like Suni with fight and determination. Plus, her beam is world class and needs to be seen on the world stage.
@@Samanthaaaa778 That's the truth!!!
The team is set in my mind: Simone, Shilese, Sky, Suni, Jade.
#1 Jordan
#2 Kayla D
I cannot disagree with this.
this but take out jade and put kayla, kayla has a better chance then jade now
Best medal count team for sure
My only swap would be Jordan and Jade strictly because Jordan has been scoring higher and been a bit more consistent. But this team pick is still 🙌
I agree with this but score wise it’s very hard to make the argument for Jade with data we have so far.
Skye’s beam mount is my favorite! I love it.
So good to see you Spencer, and best wishes for your recovery ❤
Suni has the best form!! So beautiful. I think they underscore her execution score for sure.
Thanks again Spencer and Jessica for your “colorful” commentaries. Been going through some tough times recently, but thank God things seem promising. Gymnastic, international gymnast, and the USA gymnastics RUclips channel (off ALL organizations) are a good diversion. Spencer, wishing you a healthy result with minimal discomfort.
I want Leanne to make the team so bad!!!
Me too! I haven’t watched day 2 yet because I know she didn’t have a great day 😂
Whatever happens I hope she hits at trials ❤
Suni place was higher than I thought given her fall. Kayla 3rd with her fall too. Lol 😅 Not sure why these judges are not a fan of Jade who didnt fall. Intl judges love her. 🤔
Jade did fall on beam
Curious if they loved her so, why was her last floor routine in ef at the last world scored made lower. Yall are lying thinkin international judges LOVE HER. Not sure why? Every position, skill she does has built in deduction, tf, u mean. WHY? I can give u 100 reasons. And she got a 13.733 at last worlds ef... Quit it. 14.166 in AA... not that BIG of a difference sis. Even Suni beat her to get into a floor final before. Quit it.
But Kayla, Kaliya, Josc, even Shilese are not particularly clean tumblers on floor but all our score Jade by a lot. Jordan is a cleaner tumbler for sure but doesn’t get much height on her tumbling so that’s a big built-in deduction too. For dance elements only Shilese and Kaliya are great there. I don’t see at all where the judges get 13.95 for Kayla and only 13.7 for Jade when Jade had higher difficulty, better landings, and the same built-in deductions. Artistry wise Kayla is nothing great and certainly not 4 tenths better than Jade
Probably her zombie stare as she moves her arms around and terrible acro positions.
Are these gymnasts flying private to Paris? They need to be given the luxury treatment so they can protect their bodies and mental strength.
I get your point, but Paris isn't like a Tokyo flight time wise.
@@jonezy0777 I would wrap them in pillows and carry them myself. I remember the days when the team was so injured by the end of Trials and the final selection camp, that I was just surprised that we could put up 3 in team final.
Màrta / Kathy Kelly days 🙄
@@JoshuaFazeliand yet they did not win team gold in 04 and 08
@@austinitel.2972 My point exactly.
@@austinitel.2972one of the biggest reason the US started dominating is because the Code of Points changed over the years. The same reason why China did so well in 2008 and struggle to medal now.
Btw, Spencer looks more handsome with his outfit.
Josc’s improvement in the last few weeks is insane, different athlete
Current team in my mind: Shi, Skye, Simone, Suni, Kayla
This is my team as well!
Most logical team to me:
Simone, Shilese, Suni, Jade, Jordan/Kayla
Alternates: Skye, Jordan/Kayla, Joscelyn/Tiana
This team basically guarantees Team Final gold AND two event finalist Olympic medallists.
Mine too
@@JoshuaFazeli
Definitely Jade and Jordan because they have Olympics experience, especially since they really came through in Tokyo when Simone stepped back.
That’s the team I like too but with the way the judges are scoring Skye vs. Jade right now there is absolutely no way Skye will be left home over Jade. Skye beat Jade by a huge margin on both days on bars/beam, and then beat her on VT and FX one out of two days too. I would be much more confident with Jade on the team then Skye (and I REALLY hope that the team final beam lineup in that case would be Simone/Shi/Suni) but unless Jade goes all out on floor at trials with 14.2+ I don’t see how she makes the team at this point
Kaliya Lincoln's award I think boosted her chances. It has always been about the Team Medal, then all-around, and last apps.
Kaliya is AMAZING. One of my faves!
Interesting that Skye scored the same today with her Cheng as Jordan's DTY and only 0.05 above Kayla's DTY. Such small margin for errors! And Jade 14.6... After today, it's looking like Simone & Shi are still locks, then Suni, Skye, Jade, Jordan & Kayla are all very much still in fighting for the final 3 spots. It will depending what they can pull off at Trials which is so exciting.. To make the team, Suni, Jade & Jordan need to show upgrades on 1 or 2 apparatus and Skye needs to show her 15.0 Cheng wasn't a one off. Kayla I'm not sure what she can do at this point other than hit all her routines and hope others don't upgrade? The rest of the field is fighting for the last alternate spot in my opinion. What do you guys think?
I think Suni makes the team for beam even if she doesn’t upgrade bars further. But I do think she will go up a few tenths higher at least there too.
I don't like Kayla gymnastics it looks boring
Spencer! So glad you seem better.
The Olympic team if Shi is well: Team- Simone, Sky, Shi, Sunisa, Jade.
1. vault-Simone, Sky, Jade
2. Bars-Simone, Sunisa, Shi
3. Beam-Simone, Shi, Sunisa
4. Floor-Simone, Shi, Sky
Alternates: Jordan and Kayla
But we’ll see who shows up and shows out at the trials. Just looking at who has the highest scores. I hope
jade very much probably will score higher than shilese or skye on floor internationally, shilese and skye never got +13.8 on worlds while jade already got 14.133 and not doing her full difficulty
This is exactly my hopes! I love jade. But I think they're just gonna go with all around score like they usually do. So what I'll probably be Kayla instead and jade is an alternate.
If Skye’s performance is great at US Olympic Trials, this is my selection:
Vault - Simone, Shilese, Skye
Bars - Simone, Shilese, Suni
Beam - Simone, Shilese, Suni
Floor - Simone, Shilese, Skye
Based on Core Classic and Xfinity Jordan in my 5th spot.
Jordan, Jade, Kayla and Leanne still fighting for the 5th Spot.
Kayla was impressive at Xfinity, but bad during Core and I think she was feeling the pressure of Gabby and Konnor coming back.
Leanne gymnastics do not excite me. Waiting to see what she does at US Olympic Trials.
Jade is really underperforming or being underscored. Waiting to see what she does at US Olympic Trials.
@@pajamamama5965 Curious what you love about Jade? Her amazing form, artistry? Gurl bye. Bland 2.
@@thiagomelo7425 This narrative. Jade got a 13.733 at worlds EF... with her standard. with her bland robotic routine, quit it. In the AA a 14.166 wow... a few tenths from her best at nationals. WOW such a gap!
My 2024 Olympic Team Prediction:
Feelings Team: Simone (AA), Shi (AA), Suni(UB/BB), Jade (VT/FL) and Jordan(AA). Alternates: Skye, Kayla, Leanne/Kaliya/Hezly.
Realistic Team: Simone (AA), Shi (AA), Skye(VT/FL), Suni(UB/BB) and Jordan(AA)/Kayla(AA)/Jade(VT/FL) for the 5th spot. Skyes international inconsistency concerns me greatly. I need her to hit both days of trials and stay consistent in Paris if she makes the team, but her cheng by no means makes her a lock if the scoring/consistency doesn't hold up on the world stage. To make this team Jade needs an upgraded floor/vault which will consistently score higher than Jo and Kayla internationally on those events and have the added benefit of potentially medaling on vault and floor individually. To make this team Jordan/Kayla need to hit 8 for 8 with their max D and an improved E score. whichever two gymnasts aren't selected for the 5th spot will be traveling alternates/replacement athletes and either Leanne/Kaliya/Hezly will be named non-traveling alternate. If the 4 core athletes above are chosen at trials, the only real spot that needs backup filling is floor/Vault, and with upgrades, I can't see leaving the reigning Olympic floor champion at home. Olympic Trials will tell all but for me, it's between Jordan and Jade (with upgrades) for that 5th spot. if they want an athlete who can fill in anywhere and go up instead of Skye on FL then Jordan. If they want an athlete who can win a second medal on FL/VT in individual EF and also go up instead of Skye on FL and in addition to Skye on VT then Jade. Realistically, there isn't enough separation between Jordan and Kayla score-wise to justify one over the other, so Jordan is simply my personal preference. Both Jordan and Kayla can step in on any event if needed. Hot Take: Although neither Jordan nor Kayla will contend for any individual EF medals I honestly trust them to hit internationally in Quals/TF much more than Skye whose largest advantage at present is her upgraded Cheng vault and being the 3rd best AA behind Simone and Shi. I'm MORE nervous to bring Skye for anything other than vault in TF because her track record for hitting international isn't great. if Simone and Shi do AA in Prelims and Skye is used for VT (so she can contend for a Vault medal), I'm much more comfortable knowing they could put Jordan/Kayla in anywhere else or Jade on Vault and more importantly Floor in TF.
Quals_ 4 up/3 count
VT: Carey/Chiles, Jones, Blakely, Biles (Lee)
UB: Chiles, Lee, Biles, Jones (Blakely)
BB: Jones, Blakely, Biles, Lee (Chiles)
FL: Carey/Chiles, Jones, Biles, Blakely (Lee)
TF_ 3 up/3 count
VT: Carey/Chiles, Blakely, Biles
UB: Lee, Biles, Jones
BB: Blakely/Jones, Biles, Lee
FL: Jones, Carey/Chiles, Biles
AA: Biles, Jones (Lee/Blakely)
EF_
VT: Biles, Blakely/Carey
UB: Biles/Lee, Jones
BB: Biles, Lee
FL: Biles, Jones/Carey
Thoughts?
While I get the highest scoring team makes sense on paper, but it doesn't take into consideration any contingency plans. For me, it's the best scoring team that could also plug and play elsewhere if needed.
The team that will score the highest AND could 'also plug and play elsewhere if needed' is a team of Simone, Shilese, Suni, Skye and Jade. This team also will provide the US the opportunity of having TWO SCORES of 14+ on each apparatus, something NO OTHER TEAM can match.
I agree tht things are changing but there is no comparison to Kaliya getting hurt on the day and when she had also put up medal worthy floor routines ths year and Morgan who hadn't put up a anywhere near a team worthy event on her two events
Spencer - keep the stubble. Hawt!
Spencer 🥰😍 looking so cute
Skye’s 15.0 on vault. The judges forgot for a second about their hidden agenda and scored her with their hearts. ❤❤
Hi, sending love
I really love to see Suni lee she had a lot to over come just to get to compete. I wish her well.
Jade got robbed on floor.
these domestic judges hate her
No she didn't
12:30 Skye was given at least 0.2 credit (switch ring, the double front stag, arguably under-rotated switch 1/1) that should haven't been given on floor. But she's a solid 3rd All Arounder behind Simone and Shilese.
A lot of people, like Josc, Nola, Jordan were given wrong L-hop 1/1 / Gogean credit!!!! Judges are not doing their jobs.
*Judges are not doing their jobs* For real.
Happy Pride everyone! xoxo
Love the pride shirt spencerrr😜
Anyone know what's going on with the men's judges?
Speny looks good. Not sure if it's the contrast with the shirt or what... yum yum.
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Can someone tell me what happened with Trinity? Why did she only do bars?
She injured her foot or ankle.
Ohhh I'm so sorry. I hope she heals well. Do you know how she did it?
@@marhadeli FX
@@creating1_c1999 thanks 🙏
Top 4AA was Simone, Skye, Kayla, Suni, add Shi and that's the team. Sorry, but that's who it should be anyway.
Kayla is not secure there. Whoever hits AA both nights at trials between Kayla, Jordan, and Suni will all have a good chance at the 4th AA spot (after Simone/Shi/Skye). Remember they finished within four tenths of each other, and all of them had about two-three points worth of errors and 6-7 hit routines. At trials Kayla could very possibly finish in 6th place like she did in 2021.
If for example the ranking is Simone, Shi, Skye, Suni, Jordan, Kayla, Jade, I’d take the top 4 and then whoever has the best FX scores from Jordan/Jade/Kayla.
your question to simone in the press conference was so unnecessary and rude. she cleared you with her response... and clearly didn't appreciate it
Whose question and what was it? 😮
@@marshajulessa2995 after Simone gave a pretty touching account of how she went over to bars to cheer Suni on after her fall on vault, Jessica raised her hand and asked--in this weirdly sardonic way--"I just wanna know... how you ACTUALLY feel about bars?". It was so condescending and Simone definitely didn't appreciate it when the whole narrative about her being bad at bars is like 10 years old at this point
I kind of agree. I think Jessica struggles with how to word her questions. It would have been better if she asked, "Now that you're a national champion on bars, has your opinion of them changed?" I usually don't watch press conferences, but I heard Simone said something about Suni, so I started watching. When I heard Jessica's voice, I both was like, "Oh cool, gymcastic," and then was like "Jessica what the f was that question?!"
@@caitlynskiff2001 lol. so true.
On all the press conference videos I’ve watched the comments are mad about that particular question too. It definitely didn’t come across well.
17:30 A lot of floor scores are INFLATED except JADE. Jade listened to gymternet, ditched the L-hop 1/1. Others don't listen, and judges give all the Gogean or L-hop full credit like candies. That's why almost everyone keeps the L-hop 1/1 and Gogean.
Leanne Wong listens as well. I think Jordan is the only one in top 8 that has an Lhop. I also believe they said on here that Jordan leg is actually pretty good and they compared her as a good example for Jade. But other than that who else are you talking about?
@@quedotelancine1685 Jordan's L hop is very borderline. Josc, Nola.... 's L-hop 1/1 are nonexistent. But there is NO creditable Gogean on day 2.
@@cocoroni1031 That’s what I thought, literally no one in the top aside from Jordan has an L hop, so why are you complaining? lol Joscelyn was definitely deducted, not sure about Nola though.
@@quedotelancine1685 Judges gave ALL problematic credit. Probably means they are not taking deductions that are supposed to be taken. Is giving nonexistent credit okay now????
@@quedotelancine1685 Also, Shilese's L hop 1/1 is better than Jordan, but still got hella consistently downgraded at 2023 worlds. International judges clearly doesn't like this skill.
Kayla fell hard on bars!!
Simone biles Senior Elite National and International Gold Medal Count.
Olympics - 4
World Championships - 23
National championships - 32
US Classic - 22
American Cup 2015 - 5
American Cup 2013 - 2
Pacific Rim 2016 - 1
Stuttgart
World Cup 2019 - 4
City
of Jesolo
Trophy 2015 - 4
and 2013 - 4
Gold Medal Total = 101.
if this doesn't scream GOAT! I don't know what does.
That is A LOT of hardware especially when you consider her not doing two Worlds and not competing individually except on beam in Tokyo.
@@aliciamcdonald7105
I've only won 4 Goal Medals in my 34 years on this earth and not even professional, high school level. So 101 at a professional level Is crazy to me.
Spenser, you're so handsome!
If Shilese Jones can't go to Olympic Team Trials, she can't be choosen for the Olympic Team, correct?
Her petition was accepted. She’s going to Trials. You cannot petition onto the team like Betty Okino did.
Can some please briefly explain the problem with men scoring?
I want to know too
Trying to summarize from the at-times vague explanation: The vault judging panel screwed up significantly. Donnell Whittenburg was incorrectly scored in a way that affected his standing, and because it wasn’t fixed at the time, it’s officially part of his meet score. Multiple coaches are calling for the panel to be replaced; I’m not sure whether Donnell was the only one affected. There’s apparently a systemic problem with US men’s judging where highly rated judges do not get invited to meets, so the judges aren’t the highest caliber.
@@mrsb50 Thank you for explaining. That's shocking! That's very sad for Donnell.
@@mrsb50thank you for this explanation. I was wondering why he dropped so low but I am happy that they are addressing the problem.
@@pajamamama5965 @quedotelancine1685 you’re welcome! I’m hoping for the best for Donnell. He’s worked so hard for so long.
I’m so upset for Trinity 😢
HUMIDITY?? Seems like every wolf turn (beam & floor) was sticky??? There was a supercell outside the arena at the time??? Could that possibly have caused an anomaly like just about EVERY athlete having wolfifisastors??
I think if Simone add another difficulty on bars except for landing and beam she should win the individual golds. As it seems, she didn’t get the highest on beam n bars
Simone got all titles on vault, bars, beam and floor. All scores are combined.
@@cocoroni1031 yes but this is in the USA. The Olympics is different. I am not taking anything away from her but others are looking and will come with some other difficulties as well. Take for example the girl from Brazil who won gold on vault at the World Championships
@@CharmGreen-l2c What individual gold are you referring to?
@user-rw8hj1fv5v Simone would have still won vault even with her fall if they had not deducted 0.5 points from her score for having her coach on the mat.
was the girl from UF out?
The real question is....who is gonna be the white girl on the team?! 😂
Madray Johnson didn’t make trials and she was top 5 on beam!
it appears they took the top 14 AA and accepted 2 petitions
@@creating1_c1999 yes I understand. I’m just responding to Jessica saying no one in the top 10 for an event didn’t make trials 6:50 but that’s not true!
did Gabby get in?
girl she’s done
Absolutely not! She didn’t even show up.
She's for 2028 LA!
She has ankle injury, but hope to continue for LA 28.
@@alannabrown4She’s coming back for 2028 tinks
Suni has her work cut out for her 😭 Imagine trying to defend your olympic title while Simone’s out here throwing up 60points for fun 😭😭
I haven't even heard Suni say she wanted to go for the AA title
I think that the biggest problem for Suni is that with the exception of BB, she's not doing well enough on any of the other apparatuses to really make an impact on the team. And when you've got Simone, Shilese and Skye also putting up big numbers so that might not be enough to justify her being on the team. She's still doing a somewhat watered down UB program, so unless we see the full program with all those complicated connections, it's going to be hard to make an argument for her to be used on that apparatus (with Simone, Shilese and Jordan putting up bigger numbers). Her FX and VT are not at the level that they'd need to be for her to make an AA final at this point so unless she really comes out like gangbusters at trials, it's going to be hard to see how including her on the team will really make sense. I think that she deserves so much credit for being able to bounce back from her illness, but I'm not sure if she's really really for the Olympics.
@@ravanne3746suni’s beam is enough justification to put her on the team, period. We have Simone on beam. Shilese does a descent beam. Wouldn’t really trust anyone else with a high D and E score.
@@justlina2769 She doesn’t need to say it. If her only goal was to make the team she’d only be doing bars and beam, and we would start seeing her upgrades already. Her push to do a full AA and upgrade all her events shows that she hopes to defend her title or atleast make it on the podium again.
@@ravanne3746 agreed and whenever I say this people call me a hater which I’m so rooting for Suni and i’m in awe at her comeback. But saying someone should be on the team because they “have more in the tank” doesn’t make sense to me. All the other girls have more in the tank. Not showing atleast 70% of full difficulty at this point in the season is cause for concern. She has a place holder dismount on beam, extremely watered down bars which is not competitive enough to make her case for the team, and her floor and vault aren’t really worth mentioning. This time around the US is not weak on bars like they usually are, atleast 4 gymnasts currently can put up 14.5+ on bars and it’s the same for beam. The team actually needs vaulters and floor contenders if anything. I just don’t see where she fits on the team.
Still not taking Skye with all her falls.
Alicia should know this of all people.
I think she is an amazing gymnast though!
She didn’t fall not once, but many others did. So Sky most likely is going.
@@sammy4634 She falls in all the international competitions. This is the first competition in awhile where she has not fallen.
Track record will be taken into account.
If she did nailed her Cheng both days, I might say she’s a lock.
If Suni, Shilese, and Simone do bars and beam for TF, and Skye and Jade/Jordan/Kayla are the other parts to fill in vault and floor, then she’s going to be on the team.
She’s still in the mix. At this point, I still wouldn’t take her.
@@JoshuaFazelii feeling like they might take her but not use her anywhere in TF
@@Scatach7 Could be, but they want the highest possibility for medalists in event finals. So Jade and Jocelyn could medal on vault.
Shilese use to fall a lot, and now look at her, never judge a gymnast for their past it is truly about the now in this moment.
I dont know why but i dont like kayla gymnastic
Suni didn't fall on second day
She sat down her vault on day 2.
@@roachums123 I thought the conversation pertained to beam.
I think they need to remove the mats from the floor so the gymnast can see the line. I saw an athlete did her floor without it .Why have it at some corners. It’s doesn’t help in my opinion as it relates to landing
It's to help protect them from injury. Those big tumbling passes have some of them coming down into the floor really hard and this hopefully will help save their ankles for Paris. It's worth it to lose a fraction of a point now and have them stay healthy for the Olympics.
I think the lines should at least be taped? Seemed like some were just drawn with chalk
@@ravanne3746 ok
Do you think that Simone Biles will retire afer the Paris Olympics?
It all depends on if she wants to. She probably wants to start a family. She could just do vault and floor in LA. She could probably win both by not competing until 2028 season.
I’m sure the sponsors and federation will dangle lots of money to lure her. It’s a home Olympics; first summer home games since 1996.
But she’s amazing and awesome even if she quit right now before Paris.
I think she will definitely do LA because if nothing the amount of endorsement deals will be insane and it just makes good business sense to at least try and retire after a home Olympics.
@@quedotelancine1685 YEP. In addition to which, I don't care who does what in the intervening years but Simone vault and floor will most likely STILL be the top in the country even then.
I would say "yes" to your question but reading the comments, I totally agree that the federation and her sponsors will do everything to keep her in the sport. Perhaps being a VT and FX specialist would be enough for her to make the team.
IS SPENCER FOR THE BOYS?! Oh! We win again!!!
Have you been paying attention? Hahaha
@@charitybosuaOh I have, but it's never good to assume another's sexuality based on stereotypes. (A little hypocritical for me because that pride shirt doesn't really confirm anything. He could be an ally. But I digress)
Everyone can celebrate pride.
@@astroboy-z5u yes you are right. I'm 100% celebrating pride and sharing stuff on my socials, but also very straight.
Any way I'm pretty sure there have been some subtle jokes from time to time like: "only 🌠 gay 🌠 men and women would know" etc.
@@astroboy-z5u also in one of the previous episodes with the male speaker who was a coach for Australia. He said he has a cruch on Spencer and Jessica was joking that she needed them to get married
Aside from all the participants doing great against all odds and bringing everything they had , bravo. But , that was the most monotonous gymnastic event I’ve ever watched. I was glad it was over and loathed the repetition of moves. If I see another wolf turn I will scream. They are robotic doing the same moves on a conveyor belt. It’s gross.
So, DON'T WATCH!