Men's Olympic Team Trials 2024 and Women's Updates
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
- 00:00 Intro
The selection procedure that automatically chose the Paris Olympic Team of:
Asher Hong
Stephen Nedoroscik
Frederick Richard
Brody Malone
Paul Juda
Why Fredrick Richard is the only hope to save men's gymnastics in the United States
4:48 Revenge alternate spot for Shane Wiskus
6:36 Why DJ's for men's floor is the way of the future
13:48 Is a one-event specialist a smart strategy?
17:09 Asher and Khoi's coach, Thom Glielmi of Stanford on the vault judging controversy
The crowd's love for Donnell Whittenburg
What Khoi would have had to do to make the automatic spot
22:14 Shilese Jones withdraw from Trials
22:47 Kaliya Lincoln's improvised floor pass
23:13 The meaning of Simone Biles choreography knocks according to her French choreographer, Gregory Milan
Who was missing from the LA Olympic Team honors 
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Crushed for Shilese. Hope she’ll be back next cycle.
It’s so sad for her and Skye especially because those two suffered the same fate the last olympics😭
Skye and Emily Lee were the only ones injured during 2021 trials. Shilese was 1 position away from being an alternate that was the main reason she tried one more time. Her dad died for her dream and she wasn't even with him when it happened. twice she's come short. I would have been pleading to the sky's begging him for help shittt haha
Curious why she cannot go on bars for the Women's team as the Men are allowing.
I understand how the men’s team got selected; however it does not feel we have the strongest men’s team going to Paris
Khoi should have been on that team, and honestly so should Yul. Unfortunately they didn’t compete well at trials. I was so impressed with Shane too, but man it was eventful.
@@taylorburtisIf this team does not win a medal in team final, these rules in selecting the team will change. Khoi should definitely be on the team. Having a specialist who is only giving you one event is high risk. I prefer specialists who can at least give you two events
@@BrenCap99I 100% agree. The selection procedures that were released kind of screwed them, because I feel like they would have still taken Khoi IF the selection procedures had exceptions. I don’t think they will medal in Paris honestly.
@@taylorburtis I appreciate the selection criteria in that it’s trying to bring fairness to who makes an Olympic team BUT the US selection team should have added some additional criteria or metrics
@@BrenCap99agreed! I like specialist but you can’t be a one event specialist
Shane Wiskus should have been on the men’s team!!
Look no shade to Paul Juda but it felt like to me Shane not only did well but has potential for higher scores than Juda
I Can’t Believe they took a guy who does ONE event over SHANE!
He was the highest scoring All Arounder on the second day!!! Took a one event specialist who is super inconsistent over a man who can score great on six apparatus !!!!
@@BrenCap99 not on pommels he doesn't and that is where Paul is most needed and 99.99% of the reason he is on the team and Shane is not.
@@davidjacobmarts535 Paul did score higher on Pommel Horse, so I definitely get that placement on the team. Based on the rules the Men’s program laid out, these five gymnasts earned and deserve that spot to the Olympics. I really hope USA can win a team medal.
Shane should have been selected over Stephen. Stephen can only do one event and Shane is solid on all six events. The team would have had many more options on all the events if they would have taken Shane.
"Options" don't matter. Scores do. Shane's best pommel routine is 1.7 points lower than Stephen's. Shane has no way to make up for that. He doesn't have any event where he adds a big score to the team in comparison. Being an AA'er with merely "good" scores on every event isn't beneficial. You need high-scoring events to contribute to the team and have a chance of beating Japan/China.
@@Zuranthium I'm all about the logic. I wished more for Shane because he had two great days, but the math was indeed mathing for highest scoring team. I don't hate any system that is designed for fairness especially when the participants know coming in what that is going to be. I don't ever want a flexible system and find the placements on the team have a weak defense for being there. I definitely don't want failure for the men to happen just because Khoi and Shane didn't place. I want the team to win as many medals as they can.
If the men’s team doesn’t come back with a medal. We will understand why. And Khoi and Shane will probably be smirking off camera..
AS THEY SHOULD
Curious, if you add Khoi (YES) & Shane, who would you like to remove?
@@3GensOfVictory Paul and Stephen
@@will7693Agreed. Khoi, Brody, Richard, Shane, and Asher would have been my team. Yul and Paul would be my alternates
I want Ukraine to win a team medal 👍 And Fred has the best personal result.
devastated for shilese; and that she can't even compete bars again today; if she were to be 1st again on bars i wonder if she'd be considered? same as stephen on the mens side right? if the men can take someone for 1 event why can't the women, esp. when she's one of the best AA gymnasts on planet earth? literally top 3?! when they picked the mens team it gave same old same old vibes. khoi has outscored stephens trials ph scores multiple times this season, and is fabulous on multiple other events.. sending someone who only does 1 event is like sending someone who is injured; it puts more pressure on everyone else since the other 4 all have to do all of the other 5 events in quals. and if stephen has a major miss in quals, then what happens?? crushed for donnell yul khoi and shane.
I agree. I think, in Shilese's case, the doctors didnt release her to compete.
@@3GensOfVictory i know i just hate this so much for her and us. since she was able to do a bar set, you'd think it would be a game day decision even if for just bars again but none of us know exactly what's going on
@@SonOfAGun1814 I know. I hate it too. I am excited & a little nervous to see how the team shapes up tonight.
Here is what I find ironic, the women’s process where the Top All Around Scorer was guaranteed a Spot of the team and the other 4 pics were discretionary, felt to me the women’s team got it right while the men’s still feel room to be desired
Gutted for Donnell! Glad he had a good second day though, Asher deserves to go, he had a great trials. Also gutted for Shane, his face when he came out as the alternate 😢
Just wanted to say, thx for everything you do! Your coverage has been so valuable this season(as always!) keep it up you 2! ❤🙌🔥
Trials scores should hold more weight honestly than Nationals. I'm not sure why they're considered equally when you want to peak closer to the Olympics? Makes zero sense to me.🤷♀️
I love you guys this podcast is SO under-rated
Honestly, E scores lately are just ridiculous. There’s no parity between excellently performed routines and ones that are average. They will take the same deductions for practically all gymnasts on the same moves when one person clearly performs it correctly to the point it is as good as humanly possible. Then it just becomes a D score competition. We are all tired of it. I would love to see a brevet judge do a walk thru of two routines and the deductions taken and why against two routines that have clear execution differences and have to defend how they are barely separated by a few tenths.
This is a VERY risky men's team to send. I love Nedorostek, but he can only do one event. It gives you no safety net if one of the four other guys tweaks an ankle, a knee, a finger, anything. Brody looks great but coming off a horrendous injury. Paul Juda has been injured most of his career. Id have personally put Khoi in. He gives you a super high vault score consistently. He is the World pommel horse silver medalist. He provides more safety cushion as an all-arounder and potentially contributes many places versus one event Steven. Im gutted for Shane too. He is reliable on all 6 events. This team is boom or bust. Healthy, they can medal. Even one injury mid-event, they are sunk.
Well the deductions for high difficulty vaults were neutralized by the massive over scoring on SR for Asher (his highest score at world's was 14.0, same as Yul's there). It's a very risky team, but they earned their spots and I'm happy for them.
Ukraine, UK, and Italy will have significantly better chances on the podium if Asher's VT or Stephen's PB misses. That's a lot of pressure. I don't think there was a "right choice" considering the inconsistencies across 4 days, so "LET'S GO!"
The Olympic scoring is going to bring them back down to earth.
The knocks on beam come right after the wolf turn and on floor they come right before. It may mean whatever to the choreographer but I’m certain it actually means “fuck that wolf turn” to Simone 😂
And how does everyone feel about Shane missing from the men’s line up at women’s day 2… I don’t know what happened did he take himself out as alternate? I wouldn’t blame him…
The meltdowns on IG for Khoi and Shane...I tried to soothe the burns. But at least the commenters weren't nasty. Stephen was smart. I mentioned him, not by name, but his strategic play of downgrading his skills on horse because he knew he only needed to hit clean. I'm so thrilled. Khoi rebounded from Day 1 but I'm cool with him being a first alt. I also think that Fred downgraded his floor to Day 2, using a similar strategy as Stephen. He knew he was in first place and the greater stress was on others. Brody maybe the face, but Fred earned his auto placement as first finisher and the math was mathing for him. I think it burned a bit to the system that Fred is in first, but oh well. Stop etching names on medals until the competition is finished. I cannot believe people think Fred is cocky. The dude is simply fire. He's confident in his skills.
There is no doubt in my mind that if Skye had hit clean with her routines from nats, she would be on the team. I know her coaches were thinking the seniors: Suni, Jade, Jordan, and Leanne were coming with strategic upgrades, and fight harder to make room for Shi. You have to know when to hold them and fold them.
_the '84 Mens team was uber hot...had my little 14 YO self sated_ It was the first time I had really paid attention to the men's team and I was committed ever since.
If the system needs to put Hezly on make her a traveling alt then bring another youth as her companion. If they send her alone even if they place her on the team she will be isolated. You cannot make those grown women babysit her. We don't need another " they're bullying her " campaign if she flops or soars.
Khoi should be on that team and Shane too. I would have put them on versus nedoroscik and Juda. They screwed up on this.
I would have taken Juda and Stephen off and replaced them with Khoi, Shane, or Patrick!!!
I agree because yes Khoi flopped a little when it counted but Shane did every thing possible to redeem his spot (I feel like it was more than enough). if one of his highbars, & floor weren't ridiculously underscored, he 100% wouldv'e taken Brody out of top 2.
100% disagree. The Trials are a PERFECT test environment to mentally and physically prepare these young men for the immensity of the Olympics. Khoi is so insanely talented, but he didn’t hit when it mattered the most. You can’t go by the past (“Oh but he has world medals!”) or “What Ifs” in the future. It’s the present that matters the most.
Paul Juda on the other hand has consistently hit, and even tho he doesn’t have the highest difficulty, his lines are gorgeous and he maintained composure under all that stress and pressure resulting in high execution scores, He’s fit and healthy. I feel much more at ease with him being on the team versus Khoi being questionable.
For me I would have chosen Shane Wiskus over a specialist, but because they had the rules clearly written in advance I can understand why they chose Nodoroscik over Shane. I don’t agree with it, but I can at least respect they honored the formula put in place.
Had they chosen Wiskus instead, Nedoroscik would’ve had grounds to sue them for not following the rules.
@Nixmathis I have to agree. Shane was crushing to me more than Khoi, because he killed it both days. I do think Khoi gets it, because being first alt knowing he flubbed Day 1 gave him something. We never know what can happen. The universe has not spoken yet.
I know the Women’s competition will happen in a few hours but with these injuries why does it feel the USA will be taking 3 if not 4 members of the 2020(2021) Olympic Team
Score 4!
It is a tragedy that wiskus & young didn't make the team. Definitely not the strongest team going to Paris. 😢
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Khoi and Yul...💔
Just wondering in this four day and three day highest scoring team for the men, how many more probable points does the team with Nedoroscik score above the one with Khoi?
Shane should have been on the Team! He had the highest All-Around score Day 2 (higher than Brody had either day at Trials AND higher than Frederick on Day 2), and took 1st on Floor and 2nd on High Bar! It's the best he has ever been and he clearly has the momentum and is peaking at the right time. Absolutely gutted for him that he did not make the team.
There was a claim that they were looking at Nationals at 40% and Trials at 60% of the final score, but it sounds like it was just purely the scores over the 4 days. Unfortunately, the computer does not take into account consistency, heart, momentum, and who is peaking.
Out of curiosity, does anyone know who would have made it on the women’s team if they used the same selection algorithm as the men’s team?
If only trials, Jordan Chiles is out. Josc is in. Conclusion: stupid algorithm💀
I think on day 1 the judges took 0.5 for the tucked knee on the first flight and repulsion phase - both men tucked their body very early off the table. This can be deducted internationally too as Asher's first flight form was better at worlds in 2023.
Who are the Olympic Teams coaches????
Could we slip Gabby into Shilese spot in the second day of trials??? her ankle injury must be healed by now...
@@kevinjewell233 If we could, her bar showing didn't put her in any argument. If she'd only came in and put her energies to bars...Gabrielle's biggest issue is that she can't see the forest for the trees. US struggles on bars, she's a power ranger there, but instead she defeats there. Her strategy, I conclude was to simply compete, I guess.
They should have taken Khoi
Brody Malone could be in the military.
Re: Nedoroscik, & taking a one event specialist -- high risk, high reward. 2012 London US Women's team: Ali Raisman, Jordan Weiber, Gabby Douglas, McKayla Maroni, Kyla Ross. McKayla for the vault only. 2016 Rio -- Simone Biles, Laurie Hernandez, Ali Raisman, Gabby Douglas, Madison Kocian. Madison for the bars only.
The women's team has always been flexible and still people love to hate it if their favorite isn't there.
back in 2012 and 2016 the other athletes were solid. that is why they could afford specialists. in 2012 maroney was a lock for gold (she got silver though) and in 2016 the team was really weak on bars and madison was a co champion. without shilese, there isnt a gymnast with similiar conditions as the stated above. if anything, they need a specialist on floor, which there isnt technically, they need to accept someone who can be very good at floor (better that the others) but without a real chance of medaling this time like tiana, kaliya, or hezly. not robertson because of her form, the judges in paris will eat her alive.
Nedoroscik is not comparable to McKayla Maroney and Madison Kocian.
McKayla Maroney and Madison Kocian did not give you 12 in team final. Nedoroscik did and may not medal in his one event.
You can't really compare Men's to Women's that way though. There are only 5 slots for 6 events on the Men's compared to 5 slots for 4 events for the Women's. Women's has a built in slot for a specialist. It makes things a lot harder for the Men if they take a specialist.
@@Logixredexactly the difference between having 4 vs 6 events is not even comparable for the same 5 person team. Especially since when the women's team won she had actually competed multiple event leading up to her selection and could step in if the team needed her. Nedoroscik on the other hand can't, has only competed in the 1 event out of 6 and did not even end up consistently getting the highest scores. Hard for me to see him getting more than a bronze at the pommel and huge liabilty if someone otherwise ends up injured with no alternates being allowed to step in during the competition.
AGREE, you Don’t take a guy that only does 1 event when there’s 6! Why are there 6 events? I’d get rid of parallel bars, too many bars/ and pommel is boring to me…but Don’t you want a more flexible team!
If the men have 6 events why don’t they allow men to have 1 extra person vs the women who have 4 events?
Stephen's calculated move disgusts me. He only competes and trains one events and he even has the audacity to water that down just to make the team. Absolutely disgusting and shameless.
Candle light vigil for Shilese tonight at 7 pm.
Stephen will show either 12 or 15 in team final, taking him over Khoi / Yul / Shane is no brainer. And his medal chance is way lower than Curran. Ukraine / Britain let's go 🙌🙌
Spencer Barnes is so hot !
unpopular opinion.. why Paul Juda? would have been 10x safer to nix Stephen and Paul. bring Shane and Khoi... I don't get it. Whatever ya'll say tho
Safer with Khoi? No. Over 4 pommel routines, Khoi scored an 12.60 and an 11.65! Stephen's four pommel routines were between 15.40 - 14.450. That is 1000% more reliable than Khoi. The fact that Khoi can give you a 15+ on pommels is nice but the fact that he can equally give you a 12 or 11 is terrifying. Shane, while he had a great meet is not as valuable in enough spaces. Where Shane helps the team, he helps by a minimal margin. Where Paul helps the team, he helps by a wider margin.
I really enjoy this podcast, and Jessica and Spencer, but why are they promoting the Men’s selection procedure even though: 1. it’s dumb 2. made it almost impossible to make the men’s team by discretion (which we know both Jessica and Spencer support for the women) and 3. as a result of following it, a team medal AND potentially TWO chances for individual medals were not chosen? I mean, keep that same energy is all I’m saying.
I can't believe that there are some USA stans defending that stupid algorithm.😅Like all arounders need to be top 3 on 3 events to lock a spot, but one-eventer can lock a spot over other all arounders by 0.0000001? Such a huge disrespect to all arounders, and that's why USA MAG sucks. Japan MAG would have gone the other way, and they keep winning.
I always roll my eyes when I hear that people say they spit out their drink when something funny is said…. or they had to pull over because they were laughing so hard… it just doesn’t sound plausible.
But you saying the men have to have these huge D’s…. These massive D’s…. I couldn’t continue drinking water. So so so sophomoric I know. I play tennis and the amount of times we say Balls never made me giggle. Even when new players that make jokes about us saying balls all the time never really made me chuckle although I get it.
This particular D… I’m serious…. Lost my s*
I have to say though… on a serious note…. I genuinely loved this episode. I watch men’s gymnastics at the Olympics because I’m a gymnastics fan. Only! I pay no attention the rest of the year(s). I mean Nakitta and Artur’s “friendship” was worth following… but never really had an interest. The only thing less interesting than men’s gymnastics was watching paint dry and college gymnastics. Really… no one f*ing cares. The only good thing about college gymnastics is that I get to watch you guys be funny. It’s so terrible. It’s like watching level 2 gymnastics people find love. (You should have seen what I typed before I deleted and put level 2… college gymnastics is just so bad. It’s soooooo bad)I’m not even sorry about saying that…
Genuinely heart warming today tho listening to you guys talk about our men’s team. Really. Love the work you’re all doing
As cuter as yall are… is it possible to show clips of what you’re talking about instead of looking at yall??
Spencer is incorrect to say Khoi Young would be on the team over Stephen Nedoroscik if he hit. Khoi Young would be there over Paul Juda. Stephen was always making it, unless other key contenders did their absolute best across all events. That didn't happen. The coach saying Asher's vault scores .8 higher internationally is also bullshit, both because it's wrong and b/c the international standard is becoming stricter.
Why do men get to land with their legs shoulder width apart n s squat m, yet women get penalised???? And no, it's due to their having 'bits' in the way preventing them putting their legs together, because they they manage that during their routines.
men get penalized harder for not sticking landings
I think she means fishbowl and not an aquarium. That's very American like a fish in a fishbowl.