Amiga 2000 Upgrades: Harddisk, RAM Expansion, Kickstart 3.1.4
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In this video, I upgrade my Amiga 2000 with a Buddha IDE harddisk controller, a memory expansion and the new Kickstart 3.1.4. Not everything works as intended, but I'm a step closer to recreating my original A2000 setup from back in the day.
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You just have to re-partition with HDToolbox from 3.1.4 and set the "File system block size" in the Advanced options to 4096, then it will format fine, even with just 1MB RAM.
With 3.1.4 you don't need to set anything in the advanced options (fs block size wise).
If you have a very large harddrive and limited memory, you do!
@@hofinger82
I have partitioned and formatted a 128 GB SD card with my A500+ + ACA500Plus with 8 MB Memory without any issues.
Obviously I booted from the 3.1.4 installation straight away (no 3.1).
@@MauroSanna 8mb ram is a lot more than 1 mb of ram.
@@wishusknight3009
Yes, though he tried with 7 MB and failed anyway.
“I will use this piece of wood...” - Bangs the Hammer against the metal directly 5 seconds later 😁
#janhammerwashere
Ah but wood was on the other side of metal.
@@FADE2GRY2048 Ideally you'd have wood on both sides, like how 8bitguy fixed a dented Commodore PC case not that long ago, and that turned out great. And he's usually the other youtube guy who ends up ruining something in his restoration.
Same with the card board with the pliers
@Daniel Schneller and @Nukleon "Bangs the Hammer against the metal directly 5 seconds later" ... what actually gives you a plain surface instead of many small waves when using wood as the forming tool. Okay, it depends on the hardness of the wood and how rigid the sheet-metal is. But he did it right. Plain metal on metal leaves no way for the sheet-metal to go. If there was a bent, the surface must be maintained anyway after this process. But there is another way to handle such thin sheet-metal: Use a vice with protective jaws to bent the material straight. Produces less dents in one or two (mirrored) working turns.
Thanks for this Jan. I was looking at the Buddha just yesterday and this gives me confidence for an eventual purchase. It also shows me what problems I could encounter. I’m looking forward to your next steps with the A2000.
Well Jan, I've finally done it. I've watched every video. It's taken several months and has been a very informative and enjoyable ride. I started this journey with The 8bit Guy which lead me to Perifractic's Retro Recipies and then to you. Keep up the great vids my dude!
Your videos are so enjoyable to watch, thank you very much!
Ok I have decide to go ahead and get an Amiga 2000, thanks for pushing me over the edge! lol
Good luck finding one that doesn't cost a 4 digit sum.
...and if it is not just a piece of rotting shit that has missing parts then You have to repair various quirks here and there...
Start by looking at Flea Markets.
Oh, I definately NEED an A2000. Such a beautiful machine. And so many fun upgrades
I have one for sale
@@johnhardie9854 I actually picked one up this saturday :)
Great set up you have there Jan, i remember the A500 and 1200 but not this beauty.
2000 was a turd - the best big box by far was the 3000
Great Amiga User! Thank you!
Hi Jan, i had a similar setup with my A2000, except i had a megachip for the 2mb of chip ram in it, i used a 60gb ssd with a ide to sata adaptor which worked very well, what i did to make the whole thing easier was to plug the ssd into my pc with a usb to sata adaptor and ran winuae and added the buddha as an expansion card and got the rom for the buddha online which allowed me to do a manual install of workbench 3.1.4 and format the partitions how i wanted them, i found this the easiest way, hope this helps and keep up the good work on your videos, i love them.
Seems the DKB Megachip is the way to go
I think I mentioned before my friend had an A2000 with kickstart 1.2 rom and 2 floppies. I would have guessed that his board was a wickidly early revision. Looking forward to how this one plays out.
the a2000 its a great machine, even more if its upgraded!
Dear Jan, you can mod your amiga to 1MB Chipram.
Try to partition your HD to lesser sized drives.
Nice video as always
Take care
The 2000 really is the tank of the Amiga line, or panzer if you prefer.
GOOD WORK JAN GOOD
Iam using Diskpart under Win10 to clean my HDDs thru an IDE/SATA Adapter first ;) but i guess you need 1MB ChipRAM first. Great video BTW ...
I would say more memory might do it, most newer programs or hardware require a great deal more memory to work than the original max memory at least that's what I find these days. Despite my good (but not great) knowledge of retro hardware I haven't seen much on this Amiga specifically and actually I haven't seen a great deal of this stuff that you did here new or old hardware and such. Great to see it all here though very informative I'd say and I will certainly look up some of this stuff but this is a good start right here, Danke Jan!
(Oh and sorry I didn't say good bye on stream, life happens)
your hd dont work because you partitioned it with a 1.3 wb toolbox, use the 3.1.4 hdtoolbox and you can use large partitions.
You could also try partition and formatting of the HD on a pc thru winuae...
Hey Jan. Sehr interessant das Ganze! Ich will meinen 2000er auch wieder auf Vordermann bringen und da kam mir die Option mit der Buddha Karte goldrichtig! Ich hadere nur noch zwischen SD/CF oder HDD.. und woher hast du die Kickstart-ROM bezogen?
What's done four years ago is bygones, of course, and maybe I'll stumble across a video where you address this further, but for future dents like that, I'd suggest going with a big weighted hammer and sandwiching the metal between two pieces of dense wood, never striking the metal directly. Heck, haven't I seen you work with a bench vice grip in a couple of videos? That with a wooden sandwich could be perfect, no hammering needed. Pliers and a small hammer directly to the metal makes it banged up and bent out of shape, like in this case. I'd honestly try the bench vice grip with just some layers of cloth for protection to smoothen the edge out. 👍
update to the newest budda 2000 installer, it sets work to the pfs max size of 100 gig
To straighten the case I would have used a bench vice with jaw protection if you have one.
Use HDToolBox to setup and, re-partition the drive to smaller partitions?
Try to use the 3.1.4 HDToolBox to partition the drive.
dvr hdds are locked. you have to have them unlocked before it will let you re-partition the drives.
I think you need 'hdtoolbox' to partition the drive?
Some of those drives from DVR's and external drives have funky controller hardware to stop the drives from being used on computers; I know WD do with their Passport drives as those external drives are cheaper than the specific computer units. Maybe that's happening here?
Just a quick comment Jan. There's no such word as restorating (have heard you use it a few times now)! Just restoring (or restoration). Love your stuff!
Considering how good his English is otherwise (like a lot of Germans), I think he's just playing with the word.
More chipram!
I have a 2k with 1mb chipram and only 2mb fast on a A2620 and had no problems with installing and formating hds.
Where can I buy the 3.1.4 kickstart rom and software?
Also, I'm curious why such large hard-drives are needed for the Amiga? You can fit every piece of software known to the Amiga in under 4GB.
Another option is to add the samsung disk to a Linux machine using an ide adapter. Create an image file with the exact size of your samsung disk using dd. Partition image file in to smaller partitions and format them with pfs3 using fs-uae+wb3.1.4 and setup as needed. IME it is a faster to way to experiment.
The way I got around having a huge (now Small) capacity Hard Drive in my Amiga 2000, is to use a 40MHz Accelerator with 16MB of Memory and take advantage of the on board SCSI ports.
Having a 50 pin internal SCSI port (in my case), sorts out the problem of maximum 4/8GB Drive Capacity. This is because the SCSI Controller handles most of the drive’s attention. All you got to worry about, is limiting the partitions to about 2/4/8 GB (Depending on ROM/Hardware setup and OS Version).
On my Amiga, I managed to partition a 4 GB each Workbench, Programs, Games, Floppy Backup, ADF Catalogue, Documents, Midi, Photos, Video. It’s a bit fiddly to setup, and you got to edit your Startup and User Startup files so the Amiga knows where all your software is when you call for it.
All I’m trying to get hold of at the moment is the Spectrum 110/24 Graphics Card that mounts to my Accelerator, and my Amiga 2000 will be perfect.
Sounds like a great setup you have there. :)
You need to use the Amiga hd tool in tools to partshion the hard drive
Try to lube the old HDD servo. That usually fixes or helps MFM and RLL drives that are having issues.
WD40 ftw :D
There's a channel here on RUclips which does data retrieval on hard drives. I don't know if they work with old MFM drives.
could try plugging the HDD into a PC and try gparted ?
you could reparation the hard drive with smaller size's of partitions's 8gb or smaller, just a thought :)
the size limit depends on the real size of the hard drive, partitioning a bigger drive does not help, u
unfortunately
I believe Amiga OS 4.1 (community built) has support for larger drives. I've not used it personally, but I'm pretty sure those PCs just have modern harddrives in them.
Yes, I think it uses a more advanced file system.
It's an ST-506 hard-drive, right?
You have over 800KB free when booting from disk, seems odd that that much disappear when booting from hard-drive... any ideas why?
Fast File System perhaps doesn't support the second partition...
Probably due to a different number of disk buffers (memory set aside for the disk cache) being set in the Startup-Sequence when the Amiga boots up, as well as whatever else being loaded into the RAM disk. That would be my guess.
Nice little cards....if i would redo my A2000C setup, i would need to put a GVP 040/33 and its GFX card inside - the problem is that i would need to find this combo first......
Ich glaube du hast dich da etwas Versehen , das heist nicht "Lueroautomation" sondern "Bueroautomation" , is nicht wirklich wichtig aber da du es in deinem Video extra erwähnst dachte ich , weise ich dich mal drauf hin. Dein Video is mal wieder Mega , es versetzt mich immer zurück in die gute alte zeit in der man immer Nur STANDARD Amigas kannte bzw ich zumindest , heute sieht man erst mal so nach und nach was sich da so alles getan hat an Hardware und was noch so geht heute .. Mach weiter so ^^
In meinen Amiga 2000 waren SCSI Controller von Gvp, Turbokarte 2630 mit Fastram von Commodore,Festplatten von Quantum eingebaut und Ben SCSI CD Laufwerk...damals warste dann der King 1992 😀
Später gab's den Amiga 3000 und Amiga 4000 aber die waren richtig teuer..ich blieb beim 2000er und wechselte dann zum Amiga 1200 mit Turbokarte 16mb RAM und 68030 mit 40 MHz ..das war dann schon sehr geil im Gegensatz zum Standart 1200 mit seinen 14 MHz
what if you put a pice of wood each side of the case the hammer the wood so pushing agaents the wood to make it flat mabey but i would use a hard bit of wood on the bottom so the metal does not dent the wood
Did you try 4096 sectors instead of standard 512
I would use a compact flash card, it would probably me more compatible as you can use a much smaller size card.
I also removed a leaking battery from my fathers Amiga 2000, from +/- 1990, and replaced all the caps on the MB and in the PSU, and some other stuff, and the 105MB SCSI HDD (QUANTUM PRODRIVE LPS 105S) still works, i am going to backup the content with a 20-year anniversary edition of the Buddha flash onto a SD card, so it will never disappear.
Hoi Jan, that’s not a SCSI HDD but a RLL/MFM HDD it’s before SCSI. Sometimes when you clean the stepper motor you can format the HDD. And you have to low-level format it first before you can make a partition on it who you can format.
He does correct himself very shortly after.
Just a guess, I am betting the problem is with the partitioning of the drive. Try connecting the drive to a modern PC and creating multiple smaller partitions. Don't create partitions that are larger than the Amiga OS originally worked on.. As a bonus, multiple partitions will give you the option to have an online backup that you can copy over in case there is a need. You could also try removing ALL partitions from the drive and see if the Buddha software is able to handle that situation better.
(25:16 - The pins are staggered.)
You need a fat/fatter Angus chip to get 1MB of chip ram, I think the fat chip will use up your slow fast ram and convert it to chip ram. Also repartitioning the disk using the HD toolbox on the install disk might help.
nice samsung 250gb desktp pata drive i have that as well
I had the same problem on my Amiga 4000 years ago, but i did find a program on aminet.net that increased my max harddrive capacity to endless. Not sure what the program was called, but it installed a command early in the startup-sequence allowing other larger partitions. I had rom 3.1 back then, but if 3.1.4 supports larger drives then 4Gb you can try increasing file system block size in hdtoolbox to 4096 like hofinger82 suggested. Also, first thing you should do when installing a new harddrive, is to load hdtoolbox and partition and format it from there.
Can’t you break down the the large drive into lots of 4gb partitions, I wouldn’t of thought it would even recognise such a large drive, my Amiga 1200 only had 210meg drive or just find a much smaller drive from somewhere.
maybe smaller partitions will solve that? I have 8GB CF cards. From time to time (after amigas hang) she needs to validate whole CF card. I also have 8MB of ram. It takes ages to do that. honestly I never completed that process (i just recover my CF from backup). I can't image this process for 109 GB partition.
Hey great video! Would it be considered "cheating" to format & partition the hard disk in a Linux box using a utility like Gparted first? 😁
What program is that? Cli-manager? Where can i find it?
It’s from an old German magazine PD disk if I remember correctly. KickStart? I have no idea if it’s available online somewhere.
anyway, your hammering ended with not bad looking resultz.
it is "Bueroautomation"
"I 'aint 'avin it, where my 'ammer...." :)
What's happened to Photonic lately anyway?
I saw scsi1 on both dh0 and on dh1, maybe that is the conflict.
Unless Kickstart 3.1.4 has the 64-bit patches, FFS can only use up to 4Gb for a partition: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_Fast_File_System
Also due to disk addressing. I got a 40Gb 2.5 i HD in an A1200, and am limited to 8Gb usage, I think.
I would suggest to look into newer AMIGA filesystem developments for larger partiions.
I would have used a vice and two pieces of wood to fix that dent :)
1 MB Chip and HDToolbox to make a partition.
Hi Jan, would you please consider doing an end to end video on how to place an order from pcbway from an open source hardware project and how to get the parts etc on the order not just the pcb??
Maybe you could get the hard drive formatted by using a PC with winUAE and just make a profile with heaps of RAM?
I doubt that an Amiga could physically have enough memory to do the validation on a drive that big.
I think the comments have already helped but my process doing anything like this usually goes something like. Try and do a thing, fail to do the thing, curse at the thing, google the thing, redo the thing and be amazed the thing now works....except for this next thing that now fails. And on and on I go.
Vielleicht die große Partition in zwei kleiner aufteilen und dann formatieren ...
@2:10 no more cardboard or wood in between?!
Hello Jan. There is a flash update for the buddha controller available that might solve your problem. The flash version iComp delivers with the controller can handle old zip drives. In the current version this support was dropped but it fixes the handling of big drives. -- wiki.icomp.de/wiki/Buddha_flashing -- I use a 64GB SSD with a IDE to SATA adapter and that works fine. But I had the same issues with the RAM in the beginning, and also make sure to use the FFS which is updated in OS 3.1.4 (and the Update 3.1.4.1 you can download from Hyperion once you register your ROM).
Best regards from Erlangen, Thomas
Das mit dem RAM Problem hatte ich auch mit dem Buddha, bei mir ist der Installer immer ganz hängen geblieben. Je größer die HDD, umso mehr Speicher wird gebraucht. Hast du den buddha treiber noch installiert? Der wird, wenn die Installation vom DOM richtig funktioniert, erst nach der Installation des Betriebssystems separat installiert...
Disksalv?
Now 1Mb chip ram on this board!
I think to basically get what most people want to do done...just get the Wicher500i with the ide interface easy peasy, with the gvp and commodore stuff interfacing with the scsi2sd is crap...old ROM limitations...like with the Wicher...I think that you can use like 64GB IDE PATA SSD...
But the Wicher is cheating! ;)
Oh! it looks like you got less than rev6 board...!
ha ha hitachi drive lol prepare to save all your files and back up .. they dont last long ha ha - lol sorry i mentioned that drive until i saw the rest of the video Jan, lol Hitachi.IBM never reliable !! Samsung should be fine... key note I always comment while I watch videos lol a bad habit i know but i got a memory like a ZX81 ... sorry ZX80 and even on that mode my brains a bit flickery LOL .. love your videos my friend :D
Just partition the disk yourself with smaller partitions, just remember that bootable partitions need to be within the first 4 GB if you plan to have more than one system on it. Having a 2.1GB WB is such overkill.
maybe you should delete all the partition firsts using a pc and start clean from there, also, as some comments suggested you could try smaller partitions or another filesystem entirely.
I seem to have a feeling that validating a hard disk requires a certain amount of RAM per MB/GB, and that may be the issue, you seem to have 512KB Chip RAM when you're trying to format both of those partitions.
That said though, the A590 Setup Disk is your friend with 1.3. It has a 1.3 compatible HDToolbox and so long as you don't bust 4GB in your partitions, it'll put the FastFileSystem handler into the RDB which you need on 1.3 as it's not in ROM, it will also give you a nice clean 1.3 Install script. Gosh i'm such a nerd.... ;)
And then I watched the whole video *facepalm* Well my feeling was at least right :D
That amiga's ram is not 512k chip and 512k fast. It is 1mb chip which is divided to 512k 'graphics' and 512k 'slow'.
As far as i know, there is always the problem with the 4 GB limit of 32-bit systems. Maybe you should try to install the TD64 fastfileyystem with >4GB support from aminet.net
I wonder if a IDE to SATA 3 converter card would work in an Amiga with a cheap SSD . Just thinking out loud.
I think it's maybe your Chipmem.
You need 1 MB Minimum of this.
I was thinking this, as I/O is handled by custom chips Gary / Denise. I never ran a DH0. I always used df0/df1 etc etc.
My mistake, the external I/O is Paula heh...
If you got an IDE-connector now with the Buddha-controller, I would definetly go for a CF-card solution, instead of fiddling with old mechanical harddisks! IDE-to-CF adapters are cheap (around 6€) and small. I recently did that on my Atari Falcon with a double-CF adaptor (the second CF-card is for data-exchange with the PC), which comes in a 2,5" format case and it works flawlessly! 😎
flic.kr/p/2gUS36e
Könnte am chipmem liegen. Irgendwie zog der Installer bei meinen Rechner während der Installation fast nur Chipmem und kam fastmem ab....
Das Mainboard des 2000er hier hat die Revision 4.x...kann am Mainboard liegen das dann von den 512kb Chipram was abgezwackt wird für den Ide Controller. Aber die meisten Amiga 2000er hatten insgesamt 1mb RAM bzw 512k Chip und 512k Fastram...
Die späteren Revisionen hatten schon 1MB ChipMem mit der 8372A Agnus - das könnte der Grund sein, dass es nicht klappt. Im iComp Forum gibt es dazu einen Thread, in dem Jens Schoenfeld (der Erschaffer dieser Buddha-Version) darüber nachdenkt, ob evtl. die Systemempfehlungen in Bezug auf den Speicher nach oben gesetzt gehören.
Das hängt aber stark von der Größe der verwendeten Harddisk ab. 160 oder 120 GB, wie in diesem Beitrag gezeigt, sind schon sehr große Modelle, die zwar unterstützt werden, aber dazu eben auch mehr Speicher brauchen. Ich habe eine 10 GB Platte erfolgreich installiert - mit einer (wie hier probierten) 120 GB Platte brachte ich das System während der Installation erfolgreich zum Absturz (Speichermangel/Überlauf), hatte da nur 1MB Chip und keine Erweiterung.
Jan, You also need to enable "Direct SCSI" in HDToolbox, and limit your partitions to a more reasonable size, i.e. make a few 32 Gig partitions. It will be more efficient with FFS. If you watched my videos you would have known this, sir! 😂😂😉
Definitely upgrade your Chip ram Jan, and there is an update to OS 3.1.4, its now OS3.1.4.1 :) so register on the hyperion site and download it
www.amibay.com/showthread.php?106062-KIT-of-Megachip-for-Amiga-500-2000-CDTV-30%80
And I would update the PFS3 filesystem, just download the latest one from Aminet should be PFS3-aio ver19.2, and you can update it through the HDTools without losing any data
A very expensive machine these days going for around $1000 if you can find one
Look on RUclips the Channel of "MIGs Yesterchips" Folge10 Festplatten im Amiga 2000 perhaps is it helpful😉
Yes! I'm familiar with MiG's channel but didn't think of that yet. Thanks!
@@JanBeta No Problem😉
Ur NEW NAME IS JENNE BEATTER !!! Lol lol lol lol lol lol lol to FUNNY
You shouldn't use a block of wood...You should use a block of brass...You need an anvil...heheheh. I haven't messaged you in a while but recently I got 2 A2000 rev6 machines...and messing around with a A3001 series II GVP 030 50MHz card and GVP SCSI card and an A2091...they don't play well together...messing up the SCSI.device stuff in ROM...have to pluck out the ROMS from the GVP 030 card so they don't interfere with the SCSI cards...
Yes, I need properer tools for working on that case... Turned out okay-ish in the meantime after some more fine tuning. ;) Yeah, I can imagine cards not playing well together in the Amiga. I remember some issues with RAM expansions interfering with each other in my original A2000 from back in the day.
ich muss echt lügen .. aber mein kopf sagt mir .. das es da eine begränzung gab .. ich mein die grösse der patt.... ist nun etwas her .. aber liege ich da richtig
Btw, bei meinem A2k habe ich auch den Netzteilüfter durch ein leises Exemplar getauscht und durch den Einbau eines SCSI Hostadapter, samt Alter lauter Platte, ad absurdum geführt... 😅
Früher als ich noch meinen Amiga 2000 hätte..war es normal das man den Originallüfter gegen einen leisen Papst Lüfter getauscht hat..ansonsten ist man beim schlafen irre geworden wenn der Rechner die Nacht durchlief 😳😳😳
@@transilvanischervampir666 hätte ich damals den Computer über Nacht laufen lassen, mein Vater hätte mich gelyncht! 🤣
Mein erster Computer mit nervigem Lüfter war mein in einen Tower gebauter A1200. Dessen AT Netzteil hatte den deinen Typ Lüfter wie der 2k. Da fällt mir ein, den Lüfter wollte ich dich auch noch ersetzen, zusammen mit der SCSI Platte...
Restoring not restorating :p
Anyone else think Hyperion is scummy? I can't say I'm a big fan of people trying to profit off vintage computing in the way they are.
"veehehr"
Very complicated way to complicate your Leben.