It is not ethical to send people in a submarine to 4000m depth, which is absolutely unfit for such depths and for which they pay 250k. To visit the wreck in general I think is absolutely ethically unobjectionable. Especially considering the fact that it was over 100 years ago.
I believe that too! that is why the guy from ocean gate was so very nervous during the media briefing during the week. They already knew that the implosion happened on Sunday and was busy covering up the whole thing.
Burning documents would be a dodgy thing to do. Any decent enquiry would view the absence of documentation as strong evidence of a cavalier disregard for safety.
From what James Cameron has said, the Titan was 200 metres from the bottom before it released it ballast to do an ascent. The crew must have heard some loud noises to have them abandon the descent. So I can imagine there were some terrifying moments before the implosion where everyone was contemplating their life choices.
If they knew there was something wrong it was probably from their hull integrity monitoring system. At those depths, I think any problems with the hull on the scale human-perceptibility would instantaneously result in an implosion. Especially since the failure was likely the carbon fibre, which doesn't usually fail slowly.
James Cameron has done quite a few interviews since the news of the implosion broke. He has good contacts and apparently the last thing the Titan sub did at 3200m was send a message to the support ship saying they were going to drop their batteries and resurface. Cameron feels they probably heard the hull cracking moments before it happened. RIP poor souls :(
Not only did he have contacts but don't forget James Cameron has been to the Mariana Trench and also to the Titanic Shipwreck, so he knows what he's talking about.
@@sufyanumar4663Yes he is a avid lover of the deep sea passionate ocean explorer and he has been to the titanic wreck 33 times. He studied the wreck before building the replica titanic for the 1997 film
He wasn't the same risk level as everyone else at the company, it's that simple. Yes, to him it was completely unsafe and he was sounding the alarms, and when everyone else in the company shrugs and they're okay with it and they're okay with risking their own lives then probably he should go.. Again, this is the same old routine we get with every experimental anything ever. When it works out, they are a Pioneer and have revolutionized materials and Engineering, when it doesn't work out well we all told you so and you were responsible. Rinse and repeat...
@@yeahmes no this is where passion and obsession takes you. Go lecture free climbers who climb mountains without ropes, or even mountain climbers with ropes, they all died regularly every year for no flipping reason at all other than they're obsessed and passionate about climbing mountains. You are not, I am not, so we don't relate to people who risk their lives climbing mountains or building submarines in their backyard to go to see the Titanic. On the other hand being a safety sticker Nancy doesn't get you anywhere at all, we would have never gone to the Moon if we had the same safety culture we have right now. People do dangerous things. That's not greed, that's passion.
The Titan was constructed out of carbon fibre and was the only vessel to go to that depth not made from either steel or titanium. There was always a danger that due to the fibrous nature of carbon fibre that the tiniest ingress of water would have been enough to trigger an implosion.
Yes the metallic bonds of metals have different characteristics than the covalent bonds of carbon. Instead makiing all that blue meth Walter White should have worked on the titan project instead
You wouldn't think a billionaire wouldn't cut corners. I really think the CEO didn't want to hire experienced people to help make the sub because he didn't want someone more experienced than him to tell him how to make his sub. Narcissism, ego and pride, all this could have been avoided. That's wild.
Ego, 100%. Honestly, the guy sounds like a con man. I'm curious the extent to which the two business guys were involved with the construction of the sub. Was the pricetag more like an R/D cost and that bought a seat on the maiden voyage as "crew"?
People in the submersible community knew the technology of the Titan (carbon fiber blended with titanium) would not survive multiple trips to that depth and pressure. OceanGate people knew too--and departed OceanGate.
Specifically, the epoxy bonding would only survive one such trip before becoming severely compromised. It is astounding that they made multiple trips using the same hull before this happened.
James Cameron just came out with some strange comments about basically everyone in the community knowing exactly what had happened on Monday. He thought it was strange. They launched this giant search effort when it only took an ROV three hours to find the wreckage exactly where you would anticipate to find it.
This is not quite true. According to James Cameron, the sub had dropped its weights already and was on the way back up, meaning that they knew there was a serious problem such that it was justifiable to abandon the mission. What we don't know is what clues they were getting. It could have been cracking sounds, or it could have been a slight leak, which because of the massive pressure, would rapidly expand through erosion, until there was catastrophic failure. However, they had time to recognise the seriousness of a problem and take the action to drop the weights and presumably communicate that back to base. So, from a psychological perspective, not quite instant and probably at least a minute.
@nealcassady1189 I disagree, the world hates wealthy people. That's why this story got so much attention and the ship that went down with over 100 now dead and missing got none. The media kept talking billionaire...billionaire....billionaire. They sound so stupid. But this story got 24/7 coverage with "rich" being the key words. Humans and media are so ridiculous and backwards.
The hull collapse process that actually imploded the ship would have taken less than 2 milliseconds in total. It is a miracle in itself that this hull didn't collapse before, given that they are single use hulls and OceanGate reused it multiple times...
If the problem began at the 1:45 mark, the pressure wasn’t as great. The Titan wasn’t at full depth, and the water pressure gets more intense the deeper they go. My husband is a water systems operator-the water pressure from a full water tower is considerably greater than that of a nearly empty one. Unless the implosion didn’t actually happen until they got near the bottom.
They knew since Monday what happened. The last transmission received was that the were dumping the weights. Which means "something is wrong, we're coming up". The dude that produced Titanic clarified that everyone in the loop knew, but didn't want to say anything until 100% sure.
Right. I was thinking if something was wrong they were already almost 2 hours down. Likely they wouldn’t last an additional 2 hours in a compromised tin can 🤦🏾♀️they were done for 😩
@@allthatsheiz literally. I imagine they heard some kind of creaking as they got to the last fifteen or so minutes of their descent, because they were already almost there and it seems strange to be dropping weights at the last second if you suspected something was wrong before that. What we know so far tells me that the vessel might have given them a few split second signs before it collapsed, because it sounds like the “safety” and “emergency” sensors on board only alerted passengers to imminent destruction.
It was well known that the hull material was not to be used more than once in a high pressure environment after returning to normal pressure. With such a massive risk being ignored, that is the most likely outcome when things go wrong.
My daddy passed away 2 years ago. He had heart issues, so when I knew he was gone, I automatically believed it was a heart attack. His wife had been out of town. My mind and my heart were shattered thinking about him in pain, knowing he was leaving this world all alone. When I finally got my composure, I asked what happened and that’s when they told me it was a motorcycle accident. A 18 wheeler was passing my dad on interstate 10, and is tire blew beside my dad, causing him to flip. He passed instantly. While that was a horrifying way to go, I took some kind of peace knowing he wasn’t scared and it was fast. However, all these situations played in my mind. A year after the accident, I googled “Is there suffering in a motorcycle accident when there’s fatal head trauma”. I found an scientific article that said it takes our brain a second to figure out what’s going on, but the accident/head trauma is over in milliseconds. Those aren’t exact, but the trauma is over a lot faster than our brain works to figure it out, and that was the answer I was hoping for. My thoughts go to the family and what they must be going through, and how your mind just plays all these different scenarios… I hope one of them is reading this and takes some kind of comfort in it. I thank God that my dad’s accident wasn’t publicized because I couldn’t have bared hearing/reading about it so much. I’m sure anyone can sympathize that losing a loved one is unbearable… imagine every time you turned in the TV you were reminded… my prayers for comfort, peace, healing that surpasses all understanding be granted to them, in Jesus Name Amen!
If they dropped the weights, they aborted the descent and began ascending. This means they knew imploding was imminent. All the tests and opinions of experts were right- the hull was compromised. That is horrific!
I wanted the CEO to know. I didn't want instantaneous, non-awareness for him. Shame for the passengers, but I wanted that guy to comprehend the extent of the f*** up.
@@turul9392 James Cameron in an interview said that the fiber would make sounds before collapsing as the fiber gets delaminated and the passengers could hear it. And this seems supported by them dropping the weights.
There should be repercussions for allowing all the search and rescue teams to go through all that trouble to rescue the sub when Oceangate already knew it had imploded, and there was nothing to rescue. Should be sued for the expenses.
It’s more than that. The needed to show Russia how prepared they are to intervene immediately . This came from the heads of military . Go and search now
@@ProfileUserNumber James Cameron was FLABBERGASTED that the Navy let search and rescue from multiple countries (in his words) “run around with their hair on fire for four days.” Cameron says they knew on Monday morning what happened and he says he emailed his contacts in the deep sea community on Monday to tell them as much. The whole narrative the media was spinning for days about oxygen and a rescue was so ludicrous.
They were probably hoping the pieces would be carried away by a current and never found. Then they could throw up their hands and say, "Well, it's a mystery."
While it's only fair that the owner died with them, it sucks for all of the families because the person they have to blame is gone as well. Hopefully the families get the help they need to recover mentally from this. Especially the mother of the 19yr old. She lost her baby and her husband.
The mother of the 19 year old was meant to go down but her son wanted to go so she let him have her place she was on the boat with her daughter waiting for them to return
OceanGate took 8 hours to inform the world they lost conmunication with the Titan, which happened at 1 hour and 45 minutes after the descend. Why keep quiet for so many hours?Meaning they knew something catastrophic happened but kept quiet , in panic about the outcry that will come accusing the company of low security and mistakes in the production. They should be sued.
They absolutely should be sued. It's also true that while exploring Titanic, contact was lost with the submersible with James Cameron on board for 16 hours. They raised the alarm in half that time.
Nah, communication loss was quite a common occurance. They usually spent about 4 hours at the Titanic before beginning the 2 hour journey back up. Often they didn't get communication back until very late in the 2 hour return journey. 8 hours is reasonable. 4+2 then 2 buffer.
they deleted youtube vidoes from their channel, they should investigate WHEN exactly they were deleted, i think a minimum of two videos were deleted like 3 hours after the incident, so BEFORE they made that first emergency call.
I find it difficult to believe that the company's surface ship did not pick up the sound of the implosion on their hydrophones. From almost directly overhead, there would have been little doubt of the meaning of the sound.
4000m of water can stop the noise of small volcanic eruptions, a small craft imploding wouldn't be heard without expensive sonars, and openocean was all about cutting costs. imho
You are talking about 12.500 foot of water. With multiple layers of salinity and temperature. You wouldn’t hear it anyway even if they were floating mid column.
There's a lot of misinformation seemingly doing the rounds. Apparently they were in comms when the sub said it was aborting the journey, then comms went silent. Likely at that point it imploded. IF that's the case then why leave it 8 hours.
Yeah, unfortunately it wasn’t uncommon for the subs to just disappear for hours on end. I’m not sure if it was the same sub, but one OceanGate mission had no contact for about 6 hours once
when you get that bad feeling in the pits of your stomach something bad will happen, dont ignore it, this is instincts we used to help us survive for thousands of years . :[
Best way to explore Titanic would be VR. Completely safe and immersive. That would be the way forward for thrill seekers and to allow pretty much everyone an affordable way to experience this.
Growing up, we had a Nat geo picture book with high def pictures of the titanic - that was quite amazing .. I'm sure they can do so much more now with those rovers and VR
That was my first thought when I heard they had started an emergency resurface. They had hull sensors attached to detect structural issues. They would have realized the hull was in jeopardy. The ridiculously long period of time to request assistance was them figuring out how to play the aftermath.
@@hamburgrhelplessthey dropped their weights. That’s done in emergency ascent. So sadly, they knew something was going on. James Cameron said they probably heard it with their ears not from the sensors.
I’m turning 30 soon and I feel pain for the 19 years old son who died in this tragedy.. This moment is when he should have lived his life at its finest.
I worked for Oceaneering , Cdive & Bisso Marine Doing salvage & subsea work for years. I could not even believe some of the total disregard for safety & ROV protocols. The equipment in all aspects of making a dive like this was industry substandard. I would not gotten within a 1/2 mile of this project. Tragic loss for the families. Again this is why all parties involved including Passengers need to do Due Diligence. If you have never spent anytime on the ocean & , or under the ocean you can not fathom how harsh the environment is.
It’s harsh for humans because we, humans, are not aquatic animals/species lol we are not dolphins, a fish, squid or anything that lives in the ocean. That’s why it’s harsh lol people are acting like they were born last week
Where you said all the equipment was "industry substandard"... absolutely this. I work in IT, where there's a similar balance between standards and innovation. I agree with you. I've seen things in my field that I wouldn't touch with a 10-mile pole. But that's the thing. I have education, knowledge, and experience feeding into my ability to make sound decisions. Stockton intentionally and deliberately made substandard and nonstandard decisions, like... threw 80% of the book out the window. And it cost him his life, which he was more than willing to give for his vision. I'm not sure how subpar materials are visionary, but he got to name drop NASA as a result. The two benefactors were no different. I'm sure they saw it as a means to eventually increase their portfolio. Same with the pilot. They all understood exactly what this was, right down to all the previous issues they chose to ignore, right down to their acceptance of borrowed time. It was roulette, and they took that gamble. The real tragedy is the young man. Whether he was all in or totally afraid for his life is beside the point of his inability to completely and fully comprehend the magnitude of what he was getting into. These explorers go hard or die trying. So be it. But you don't rope in others and victimize them.
Perception versus the reality or facts. Aviation and other industries are the same. People just have no idea how many things are just pencil-whipped/checked off.
@@chocolatte522Don't have any sympathy for the kid. Look who was raising and mentoring him. What kind of person was he becoming. This isn't a tragedy, it's natural selection, and the Apple never falls far from the tree. Zero sympathy for anyone. Thankfully none of the rescue teams were injured or killed in the process of looking for these morons.
Who in their right mind would choose to go 2 miles down in the sea in something that resembled a very large laundry dryer? Their money could have been put towards some very good cause. It's insane.
@@sidstovell2177 uncountable billions have been spent on Rehab facilities and the more Rehabs and rehab money is spread around the more junkies and ODs than ever before.
@@jameslee2615 Yes but you'll think nothing of buying the new Xbox or whatever new game comes out and spending another $100 on 'marvel movies' this year.
People in the submersible community knew immediately what happened because of the carbon hull. It must have been difficult for them to sit by and listen for four days to the countdown of the oxygen supply. This owner of OceanGate flipped the finger at the experts and took four lives with him.
So...how is it they all knew expect for the ones who went. Were they gifted free passes? I would think each of these men were smart enough to know what they were getting into. Did the CEO invite them all for free because I do not understand why any would pay to go on this thing.
@mollyjones4165 the passengers were no experts. But still, given their financial succes in life you would think they would have been smart enough to research this company and technology before getting into that thing.
@@mollyjones4165 Why? Because they were paying customers. If they knew that this operation wasn’t certified for deep sea diving and was using a material for the hull that was experimental, at best, and no safety measures in place, they would have been in a position to make a reasoned decision.
I have a feeling lost contact was pretty normal during their dives to the titanic and didn’t raise the alarm until when they should have been back because that was the norm. Either way it’s gross negligence on the company and the owners part of this accident
Not sure about lost contact been normal but if you see the setup they had yes they wanted less interference as possible. They really wanted the passenger immersed into what they were viewing. They had a commentary system going describing what they were seeing and all. I guarantee you when Jim went down 33 times there was no lost contact. He would have been well equipped with all communications plus another sub with him
This. I would lean to agree with you because when this all started they were talking about all failed descent efforts made by this company. This was going to be the singular dive all the way down of the entire year. People want it to be some conspiracy but I truly believe the crew on the ship were clinging to hope that this was just another one of those instances.
@@realskeezy3601 we’re talking about a company and owner who constantly cut corners and didn’t listen or do safety checks. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that loss of communication while continuing a mission didn’t happen. We’re all going to speculate the details of what happened for months until a full report from the investigation comes out. Again this is my theory. Whose to say we’re all wrong and it was a colossal squid attack. Speculation is only that
Even if I’m wrong which is still extremely likely. Not reporting loss of communication immediately to the coast guard on an experimental sub is still gross negligence on the companies part. The fact they reported a sub misssing when they were supposed to be back gives me the hunch that this wasn’t the first time this happened
How can that possibly be negligence? You obviously don't understand the definition of the word. Had they made the call immediately, would that have brought these fools back to life?
What I don’t get is: Paul-Henri Nargeolet was one of the passengers and had the most experience with 35 trips down to the Titanic wreck. Did it not occur to him there was something shoddy about the Titan submersible?
I feel for the 19 year old. He didn't even want to do this, he was terrified. His dad forced him to go with him. The poor mother and sister have now lost 2 beloved family members because the dad wanted to do something dangerous for Father's Day...
The son was likely bullied into going, by his father. Such a tragedy. The other men knew the risks and chose to ignore them, the 19-year-old is the victim.
I agree -- this shouldn't be used to stop serious explorers who are doing their due diligence in how they conduct themselves (such as James Cameron). This is about the type of approach that OceanGate was taking. Even other deep water explorers had already warned about OceanGate's approach long before this happened. They are the ones who should be consulted on the best way to set up some oversight -- they clearly have the expertise, and the warnings they had given to OceanGate prove they have the ability to distinguish between legitimate exploration and foolish endeavors.
Real explorer types tend to be OCD about the details and their exploration is an examination and proof of their capacity for obsessive detail attention to details and planning. This project was none of that and, even, a cognitive dissonance rejection of it
Rich men playing pretend explorer when all they actually did was nothing but adventure tourism and apparently they were so used to everyone else doing their homework that they didn't check how safe this company is. I just have to laugh at these billionaires stroking their egos and claiming they're explorers or even scientists or have a "passion for science" when I'm a real scientist and I've spent years and years sitting on my ass unglamorously studying and working hard, science isn't something you can buy and try on as an aesthetic, how much can you know or care about science if you don't even study the safety of the submersible your life depends on?
@@sjfortunethe titanic mam himself went and even said he is a tester based on how weird this pod is and still he went I could see if he went with he very first group but they should have had fresh submersibles
That's exactly what I thought when I heard they'd been waiting for 8 hours to inform the CG. Either they hoped the sub would miraculously surface right in front of their vessel which is absurd - or they were panicking the sub had imploded and they were discussing how best to get out of this situation without admitting mistakes. In anyway I do not think anyone could have been saved had the CG been informed earlier but I am convinced the whole search operation could have been done quicker if the company had told the full truth right from the start. They were afraid this catastrophe would be the end of their business but that's what it is anyway. Who would want to pay so much money to put their life in the hands of a company that has shown a "not very responsible" performance in the past? Was it worth it? Five people died. Four families and lots of friends around the world grieving. Total strangers sending prayers and crying salty tears over so much pain. All this because the company decided regulations slow them down and every warning from experts was arrogantly ignored... bottom line - it was all for making profits and making them fast... Perhaps it's time to find another approach to making money that includes thoughtfulness and responsible performance.
Well , i do not know, but isnt this the good old American way of live??? To wrangle as much money as possible in the shortest amount of time out of everybody who couldnt or wouldnt jump to the Side and cheat \ lie/ harming everybody as long as possible as long as one stood a Chance to get away with such behaviour? So ,what do you really expect??
@@michaelstramm2366 I expect responsible business conduct. The good old American way of life? Perhaps it is indeed an American thing - however, it is far from good in so many ways.
This is not true. Most people and organizations tell the truth most of the time. Most things work pretty much the way they're supposed to almost all the time. Cynicism is the wisdom of the dolt. You harm yourself by believing such nonsense and you corrupt social life by spreading your nonsense. It is perhaps because you believe a large falsehood that you exaggerate the number of lies you think you see.
This is my exact question. The media put us through days on end drama after they KNEW they were already gone. So stupid and a total waste of time and emotion.
@@max.racingwas working as a secretary at this company and had an engineer come up and ask if I had some Tylenol cause he had a headache. I had to open it for him cause he couldn't figure out he childproof cap. 🤣🤣 I had a drill Sargeant in basic tell us once that common sense is a super power 🤣
Because like all rich corporate mo fos, they dont care, it's how W.R. Grace got away with selling asbestos contaminated vermiculite attic insulation for DECADES and kept it quiet, and when the chit hit the fan they simply filed for bankruptcy, reorganized as a "new' company and back in business.
I believe the 8 hour reporting delay is inexcusable due to the fact communications and the pinging device used to track the submersible failed simultaneously. Apparently, the pinging is used by the mother ship to track the submersibles location and transmit guidance instructions to the Titanic wreck since it didn't have independent navigation capability.
Agree with you. Since the other banging noise got reported not long after the authorities were called, and the searchers could not ignore a possible man-made cry for help, in my opinion, waiting so long to call for help on Sunday caused the families 4 unnecessary days of anguish. If the ship personnel had called for help as soon as the Titan lost its comms and tracking, the Navy could have linked that timing with the implosion sound it detected on Sunday. It would have given the families a more immediate answer, in my opinion. Why did personnel wait so long to report? Was it so common for the Titan to malfunction? It would have been evident on the ship that Titan lost both tracking and comms. And people were in there! 😔
@@hoppercar I’m not there nor in the military, but it seems it could have saved the families 4 unnecessary days of anguish. If the ship had reported this loss of tracking and comms to authorities, and the Navy could have gone back through their record of detected sounds, it would have become clear the submersible imploded (and thus no survivors) as opposed to waiting so many, many hours before putting out a distress call. They undertook a search, and then the start of the banging noise, which had to be investigated as possibly man made. Thereby prolonging the families’ anguish by another 4 days. It was reported in news here that the sister of the teenager had been very hopeful about the banging, believing them still alive. It would have made no difference to the submersible crew, but it might have let the families know there was no hope 4 days sooner, not putting them through that suspense and stress. That’s all I meant.
They waited eight hours, because that was the duration the trip was supposed to take for them to return the surface. They lose contact in the past as well sometimes. So they waited the whole duration to see if they would re-surface.
That would make sense, unless the word filtering through turns out to be true that the last comms from the sub was declaring an emergency and saying they were dumping weight to return to the surface. Then those 8 hours are a very different thing.
They still needed direction from the mothership to get to the titanic at the bottom. Waiting 8 hours with no contact does not make sense if the mothership had to provide them guidance.
But according to their "safety" procedures, when the sub loses communication, their immediate protocol if they can't get it back up and running is to resurface. So they should've been back to the surface within 2 hours, not 8. Besides, as James Cameron said, they were said to have reported there was an issue and dropped the weights for an emergency ascent before they lost all comms. I think Ocean Gate knew there was a catastrophic implosion straight away :(
"Real submarines" don't go that deep. But to make a capable submersible, Challenger Deep, was about $10M I guess they could easily afford that. I wonder how much the Titan cost
@@RandomPickles It's the "a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle is not necessarily a square" thing. A submarine is certainly "submersible", but it's a submarine because it is completely self-sufficient, i.e., it does not rely on a mother ship to provide transport to and from port or to supply power or other support. A submersible is not capable of sustaining itself without a vessel to transport and support it. That's the difference. It's not picking pepper out of flyshit, it's knowing what the hell you're talking about. Is a glider an airplane? They both fly, don't they? Is a rowboat a ship?
I don't remember where I got this information, but there was a report that the sub dropped its weights in an attempt to ascend just before it imploded. This leads one to believe that perhaps they did become aware of something going horribly wrong just before the catastrophe. I also watched a video of the construction of the sub with Mr. Rush commenting. It was amazing to see how the carbon fiber laminate was wrapped around the cylinder, which was literally GLUED to the titanium ring that joined the round front part and the main compartment of the vessel. One has to imagine that joining two different types of materials with glue would not hold up well under such immense pressures!!
what I don't understand is this: They informed Ocean Gate that they dropped the weights, they aborted the descent and began ascending, why the heck wait 8 hrs, I mean they surely would have known that to abort, and begin ascending, does not take 8 hours? That means that the people are in trouble and need help!
Excellent point....if the ship on the surface knew they were ascending and abandoning the mission and suddenly all communications and tracking were lost...that means something went wrong. In a situation like that, you don't wait for the trip completion time, hoping they would pop up....🤔😤
i tend to think oceangate didn't raise the alarm for 8 hours not because they knew it was game over at all, but because they had had communications problems with the sub before, along with other problems, so they waited things out to be resolved, and also i can imagine that they didn't have protocols in place for when and why to raise alarms that could garner negative attention from gov'ts, media, and the public. stockton rush was the only real authority figure in the organization, and a cry for help without his say-so would have taken time to, um, bubble up from within the ranks
@@spots8810 💯 lil man is the only one I feel bad for cause he wanted to spend time w/ his pops and pops thought that was a wonderful way to spend 500k 🤦🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Everyone involved and who were on board need to be detained and interviewed as to why they waited nearly 22 hours to raise the alarm, what where they doing very suspicious.
The search team didn’t owe the world anything. They owed the families an obligation to conduct a thorough search and rescue until evidence was found and that they did yesterday. Yes they had a timeline that included when the mother ship lost contact, when they were contacted, when the navy heard the suspected implosion but none of that was conclusive until the debris was discovered so they had to maintain this as an active search and rescue.
The search should never have taken place unless paid for privately. This was all tax payers assets wasted and those involved owed nothing to the families of these idiots.
Lol, no. The search team does NOT owe the families anything. When 100+ migrants drowned near Greece 2 weeks ago, were their families owed a thorough search? Bc they DID NOT get one...🫠
If they took 8 hours before they reported the incident then they are absolutely complicit in the death of these people. This was an experimental submersible that I suspect was not completely checked out. This is sad and tragic. Should never have happened. No it obviously wasn't sea worthy.
It is like a missing person. You can't even report it or be taken seriously until 24hrs has passed that's what they were dealing with. They suspected something was wrong, not couldn't prove it. So they called for help when they were sure they were going to need it.
Not sure how they're complicit? Those people were dead in milliseconds after the implosion -- reporting the problem in 5 seconds would not have made any difference to their fates. The crime is that they didn't just tell folks they were looking for debris right near where the Titanic is.
They (ocean gate) waited 8hrs because they were mobilizing their legal team. The owner is dead so he will be held accountable. The company will be dissolved. The assets will be split amongst the relatives of the deceased. Nobody else will go to jail or face any serious personal repercussions. The wheel keeps on spinning.
@@RennieAshI’m guessing noise of compression is normal to a degree in submarines, I’m assuming there would’ve been some panic, from the two that had been down before, they probably heard noises they hadn’t before and pressed on until it got bad enough to drop weight communicate emergency and popped soon after.
I don’t understand the reasoning and rationale of his statement, the mothership waited 8 hours to notify the Coast Guard because they knew it imploded?
Forget the company disclaimer trying to absolve themselves of any possible litigation in the events of loss of life on those deep water journeys - the co-founder of OceanGate is gonna get sued by the families, or he certainly should be, as the submersible simply wasn't sea worthy, unregulated and unregistered to carry humans down there. The number one point above any other legal points in company protection is "human safety". There wasn't any. They had cut corners and doing things on the cheap at least in their terms of high levels of wealth to play around in.
They had a loss of communications in a previous dive, but still completed the underwater tour, then on the ascent communications were restored. I believe they thought that, is what this was.
Look, until we found debris, or the people, we HAD to hold onto hope. A suspected implosion due to a noise being heard, regardless of the experience of the one listening... seeing is believing. Imagine we assumed they were gone, never looked, and they were just bobbing away on the surface, slowly running out of O2 or some other instance... we had to hold out some hope, and at least try, it’s what makes us human.
@@beanj580 They'd be exactly the same people who'd be moaning and pointing fingers and making up conspiracy theories if the search had been abandoned any sooner. They just don't deal in facts, unfortunately. It's not exactly that they are too stupid to understand the facts, it's just that they shut out any facts that don't fit their agenda at the time. Though you could say that's stupid in itself of course.
To answer your question, I visit memorials/museums regarding historical events all the time whilst globetrotting. You can't help but go pay your respects to those who were lost/survived these events. I learn about another group of people, their countries, and cultures. Sometimes, I learn about their struggles, whether past or present. May their souls rest in peace and my condolences to their loved ones. ❤🙏🏾
It will all come out in the end especially if the last received communication was that they were dropping weights and attempting to abort and ascend i read someone mentioned that they were descending too fast, and trying to drop weight the mind boggles.
It amazes me that anyone would want to get a glance of a rotted out gutted out rusted out old ship through a peephole deep underwater. I wonder what kind of mess was going on in there head.
Indeed they waited 8 hours to be sure that every details went acxording to what they planned ahead, and this trigger the question if the wreckage belong to a duplicated model of the sub?
Sorry I touched the wrong key…what I was meaning to say was , if true that the young man went on this journey to please his Father even though he was terrified. Has proved the price we pay for love..My heartfelt condolences to all the families of this Tragic Venture. R.I P 5 adventurers.
My hunch is I think they’d had so many previous issues (backwards thrusters etc) that with their confidence / arrogance, whatever you want to call it, they’d assumed it would resolve itself as past issues somehow did. When they realized too much time had passed then they sounded the alarm.
They already had an inclination that the sub wasnt safe on padt trips. Totally foolish and self indulgence to want to spend money on visiting a grave when there are far bigger needs in the world. Sad for families but avoidable.
They all knew the risks. Its a tragedy but hopefully this will give pause to people considering casual submarine tourism. Whoever is alive and in an authority position at OceanGate needs to be held accountable for lack of proper testing.
@@nowirehangers2815 Thats why I said whoever is alive. Presumably there are people in the chain of command other than the CEO that were overlooking the submersible's development and safety testing or lack there of.
They didn't know the risks, they were bullshitted by a delusional, egotistical idiot. The young lad certainly didn't know the risks, being dragged along to get in a baked bean tin by his old man, shocking. I bet the mother was worried before they got anywhere near that untested piece of crap.
@@scrange4765 it was a privately funded project, all people have the right to explore if they feel to do so, the passengers signed a waiver to say anything might happen and they might die or never resurface and after reading that, and still signing and getting on board, nobody can be held responsible. those passengers made a choice. nobody was forced on this sub. all they can do it find out why it imploded and improve that on future designs, but to blame the company for choices the passengers made it not fair.
I don't know why the anchor emphasized "rich" like three times in describing the passengers. Just because they could afford to take a risky endeavor doesn't mean that they deserved to go out like this. Pretty callous how people diminish their lives just because they were privileged.
The Chinese are blowing up and salvaging the metal from WW2 ships in the Pacific, the tombs of thousands of sailors who gave their lives, that is the moral question we should be asking
That is what I had been saying for days.- In other words the catastrophic incident happened before the buoys were deployed. Only one news channel that I heard of in recent days says a "seismic implosion" was detected at the same time the mother ship lost contact with the sub. If some people don't know, scientist these days, have seismic instruments in our oceans to detect earthquakes. This can allow warnings for tsunamis. The instruments can pick up other strong vibrations, that may not have anything to do with an earthquake. This means, if I remember correctly, that it was Sunday morning they lost contact, and that is when the implosion must have happened. So I think it is very clear when it happened. It is the only mercy for these people, instead of them down there stuck for hours or days suffering slowly to death from hypothermia with no way of getting out in time. Condolences.
I'm starting to believe that they were giving false hope on purpose, to keep the public glued to this story to divert attention away from something else
i feel deeply for the 19 year old, but i still don't know off by heart the name of a single person who perished in the Mediterranean this week, or any of the other 500+ people who perished. this is a heartbreakingly stark state of affairs given the extraordinary amount of assets and resources given to 5 single souls, compared to those many hundreds without similar means who were left to perish
James Cameron and Bob Ballards give the best most honest replies to all this. They also both knew it imploded with it lost communication and tracking as the NAVY did
When OceanGate said they offer the full Titanic experience, they really weren't kidding. I guess the OceanGate Titanic experience really was a tourist trap.
I wish they would stop saying that they died instantly without knowing what was happening, we don’t know that, there are reports that they aborted the mission - which tells us that they had some warning that the hull was cracking/delaminating. 👀
They waited 8 hours to call attorneys and figure out what the game plan was for the press and liquidate their assets listening devices on the ocean floor detected the implosion immediately do you need a time to talk to attorneys for a plan so that the lawsuits wouldn't clean them out and they could keep something for themselves to live on
Let’s say the Navy knew immediately that there was an implosion through the classified acoustic coastal system, they still needed to wait around for 2 days for the tethered ROV to come out to the site and find the proof that it absolutely did implode. In that time between, and still not knowing for sure if it was the Titan that imploded, was the search and rescue that took place in air and over the surface of the ocean a waste of time? Of course it wasn’t. No one could absolutely prove it was the Titan that made the implosion acoustics until it was physically found on the ocean bottom.
Also, if they were pretty sure the sun had imploded they would still want to search on the surface for debris to collect for the inevitable investigation. We thought they were searching for the men, they were probably searching for men and/or debris. RIP the five men.
The company knew it had imploded, but they still wasted everybody's time and got the families hopes up. They knew right away. When the radio communication stopped working, the only explanation was that the submersible was gone. If the submersible was still intact, the radio communication would have still been working
The comms not working wasn’t necessarily a cause for concern as is often happened apparently and Rush had a habit of turning off the comms. The transponder not working was the red flag as James Cameron explained this was in its own pressure container and had its own battery. When the transponder went that’s when they should have known it had imploded.
Please someone check my math. Assuming interior volume of about 3 cubic meters, pressure of 35 Megapascals, the energy released in the implosion would be volume x pressure, or 105 Megajoules. This is equivalent to 105 sticks of dynamite. Quite a bit of this energy would have been converted to acoustic energy in the human hearing range. Given the distance is only 3.5km and attenuation of sound waves in the human hearing range is about 1dB/km, this sound should have been audible on the surface very clearly.
Heard a theory this morning: they didn’t announce the deaths until after the oxygen would’ve run out. Could it be that there’d be no way to get them up if they were alive? They wanted the family as well as the world to believe that death was instantaneous.
And they conveniently found the debris Thursday when it was estimated the passengers would run out of oxygen. If the implosion happened hours after their descent on Sunday, right around the site of their descent, how did it take so long to find the debris?
Info withheld from the public to be manipulated for later use. The implosion was heard within 90 minutes of submergence; (allegedly/approximately) mentioned; then radio silence while most people missed the cue and went into prayers and light mode for days. Who suffered the most? The general public of course as they came to grips with the “impending” tragedy that already occurred swiftly and instantaneously. ❤ and condolences to the families. This was one of the most preventable tragedies in history. 😢
i hope someone has their eye on the financial situation at OceanGate. more spefically assets and balances being quickly shifted away from the company during those hours of delays
Question to an expert (I've not heard anyone ask this yet). If the Titan had been snagged or was stuck on the sea bed for 96 hours, could the cabin sustain that level of pressure for that length of time?
Knowing ahead of time the son was "terrified" is awful 😢Even though this was supposed to be just an expedition for a very short time another submersible should have been alongside them for an added safety precaution. Just insane knowing it was being operated by a gamer controller. 😮
Too many creatures at the bottom will be cleaning up any biological mess, terrible that these Adventurers especially the father and son , who would have been truly naive to vessel's integrity they we travelling in, have been lost in this manner.
There won't be any biological mess to clear up, apart from a few smears of DNA on pieces of carbon fibre. Maybe enough to be able to justify writing out a death certificate. Imagine being INSIDE a high explosive bomb when it goes off....
If the sub exploded at “crush depth”, wouldn’t you have seen at the surface a huge “bubble” of air exploding out of the ocean visible or heard by the mothership crew?
@@BanjoPixelSnack You're 'sure'? Why? This happened at about 2 miles deep, in water. What do you think you would hear on a vessel on the surface, and where do you get your information on that from?
Everything, I've read and seen about this: they shouldn't have made the trip. It was a suicide dive, and sorry to say, criminally negligent. You really have to wonder what the owners were thinking?
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Do you think it's ethical to visit the Titanic wreck?
Archeologists disturb resting places everyday and no one bats an eyelid.
It is not ethical to send people in a submarine to 4000m depth, which is absolutely unfit for such depths and for which they pay 250k.
To visit the wreck in general I think is absolutely ethically unobjectionable. Especially considering the fact that it was over 100 years ago.
No
yes
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Out of all of this I feel for the young man who lost his life, was just doing it for his dad it seems, didn’t even want to be there. RIP young man.
I know - that bothers me so much - especially as a mom who to a kiddo just a couple years younger than him. 😢
His mother said he was terrified to go but wanted to please his father.
The arrogance of the Father bringing his son is very sad
Yes, I can’t stop thinking about him. It’s so terribly sad.
@@chm5750 He sounds like a bully.
Those 8 hours were spent legally covering their arses, burning documents essentially, and covering mistakes.
Ex. Act. Ly.
Basically talking to their lawyers first.
I believe that too! that is why the guy from ocean gate was so very nervous during the media briefing during the week. They already knew that the implosion happened on Sunday and was busy covering up the whole thing.
Burning documents would be a dodgy thing to do. Any decent enquiry would view the absence of documentation as strong evidence of a cavalier disregard for safety.
and wasting precious time and resources doing a "fake" rescue in the meantime. I hope they get the bill.
From what James Cameron has said, the Titan was 200 metres from the bottom before it released it ballast to do an ascent. The crew must have heard some loud noises to have them abandon the descent. So I can imagine there were some terrifying moments before the implosion where everyone was contemplating their life choices.
If they knew there was something wrong it was probably from their hull integrity monitoring system. At those depths, I think any problems with the hull on the scale human-perceptibility would instantaneously result in an implosion. Especially since the failure was likely the carbon fibre, which doesn't usually fail slowly.
Yes..and on previous dives I heard they abandoned dives because of " crackling " sounds in the hull. That should've been a wake up call.😢
@@garrymullins yeah i dont think the carbon fiber failed. i think the material used to glue the carbon fiber to the titanium ring failed.
No they were descending to 3.500m when the implosion took place?
No alarm raised because she had lost comms before so they thought another small hitch?
James Cameron has done quite a few interviews since the news of the implosion broke. He has good contacts and apparently the last thing the Titan sub did at 3200m was send a message to the support ship saying they were going to drop their batteries and resurface. Cameron feels they probably heard the hull cracking moments before it happened. RIP poor souls :(
Not only did he have contacts but don't forget James Cameron has been to the Mariana Trench and also to the Titanic Shipwreck, so he knows what he's talking about.
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@@sufyanumar4663No he doesn’t
@@sufyanumar4663Yes he is a avid lover of the deep sea passionate ocean explorer and he has been to the titanic wreck 33 times.
He studied the wreck before building the replica titanic for the 1997 film
@@noahzero9380don't talk without actual knowledge bro u dumb asl
And what about the guy who was reportedly fired by this company for telling them that it would not withstand those depths.
he is a hero now. he can always say " I TOLD YOU" - and if other companies are smart, they offer him a job.
He is up for knighthood in England right now
He wasn't the same risk level as everyone else at the company, it's that simple. Yes, to him it was completely unsafe and he was sounding the alarms, and when everyone else in the company shrugs and they're okay with it and they're okay with risking their own lives then probably he should go..
Again, this is the same old routine we get with every experimental anything ever. When it works out, they are a Pioneer and have revolutionized materials and Engineering, when it doesn't work out well we all told you so and you were responsible. Rinse and repeat...
@@johnlennon6790 This is where greed takes you
@@yeahmes no this is where passion and obsession takes you. Go lecture free climbers who climb mountains without ropes, or even mountain climbers with ropes, they all died regularly every year for no flipping reason at all other than they're obsessed and passionate about climbing mountains.
You are not, I am not, so we don't relate to people who risk their lives climbing mountains or building submarines in their backyard to go to see the Titanic.
On the other hand being a safety sticker Nancy doesn't get you anywhere at all, we would have never gone to the Moon if we had the same safety culture we have right now. People do dangerous things. That's not greed, that's passion.
The Titan was constructed out of carbon fibre and was the only vessel to go to that depth not made from either steel or titanium. There was always a danger that due to the fibrous nature of carbon fibre that the tiniest ingress of water would have been enough to trigger an implosion.
And the waiver was pretty clear about the fact that it was experimental.
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Yes the metallic bonds of metals have different characteristics than the covalent bonds of carbon. Instead makiing all that blue meth Walter White should have worked on the titan project instead
I'm surprised no one has mentioned maybe espionage
@@mikkybozzy-my2vk, oooooo, yeah. Everyone likes a good conspiracy theory.
You wouldn't think a billionaire wouldn't cut corners. I really think the CEO didn't want to hire experienced people to help make the sub because he didn't want someone more experienced than him to tell him how to make his sub. Narcissism, ego and pride, all this could have been avoided. That's wild.
All three are the province of the woke
Agree 👍
Ego, 100%. Honestly, the guy sounds like a con man. I'm curious the extent to which the two business guys were involved with the construction of the sub. Was the pricetag more like an R/D cost and that bought a seat on the maiden voyage as "crew"?
And greed!
Rush is not a billionaire. He is a millionaire.
People in the submersible community knew the technology of the Titan (carbon fiber blended with titanium) would not survive multiple trips to that depth and pressure. OceanGate people knew too--and departed OceanGate.
It's all about the money $1mil. for every time!!!
The CEO of Oceangate was on board. If that were true he was committing suicide.
@@friedaconradie8369 The OceanGate CEO was one of the victims onboard, so that pretty much destroys your class warfare implications.
@dawnking7717 No money to get. Worthless company.
Specifically, the epoxy bonding would only survive one such trip before becoming severely compromised. It is astounding that they made multiple trips using the same hull before this happened.
James Cameron just came out with some strange comments about basically everyone in the community knowing exactly what had happened on Monday. He thought it was strange. They launched this giant search effort when it only took an ROV three hours to find the wreckage exactly where you would anticipate to find it.
It took them days to get the ROV sent and they had to look like they were do everything in the meantime
@@crystalblossom5360 good point
insanity.
A big act. Feigning hope is its own tragedy
No video footage of the debris?
This is not quite true. According to James Cameron, the sub had dropped its weights already and was on the way back up, meaning that they knew there was a serious problem such that it was justifiable to abandon the mission. What we don't know is what clues they were getting. It could have been cracking sounds, or it could have been a slight leak, which because of the massive pressure, would rapidly expand through erosion, until there was catastrophic failure. However, they had time to recognise the seriousness of a problem and take the action to drop the weights and presumably communicate that back to base. So, from a psychological perspective, not quite instant and probably at least a minute.
Still, one minute is far better than 4 days.
@nealcassady1189 I disagree, the world hates wealthy people. That's why this story got so much attention and the ship that went down with over 100 now dead and missing got none. The media kept talking billionaire...billionaire....billionaire. They sound so stupid. But this story got 24/7 coverage with "rich" being the key words.
Humans and media are so ridiculous and backwards.
The hull collapse process that actually imploded the ship would have taken less than 2 milliseconds in total. It is a miracle in itself that this hull didn't collapse before, given that they are single use hulls and OceanGate reused it multiple times...
There’s no prospect of “small leaks” at that depth, it’s implosion
If the problem began at the 1:45 mark, the pressure wasn’t as great. The Titan wasn’t at full depth, and the water pressure gets more intense the deeper they go. My husband is a water systems operator-the water pressure from a full water tower is considerably greater than that of a nearly empty one. Unless the implosion didn’t actually happen until they got near the bottom.
They knew since Monday what happened. The last transmission received was that the were dumping the weights. Which means "something is wrong, we're coming up". The dude that produced Titanic clarified that everyone in the loop knew, but didn't want to say anything until 100% sure.
Right. I was thinking if something was wrong they were already almost 2 hours down. Likely they wouldn’t last an additional 2 hours in a compromised tin can 🤦🏾♀️they were done for 😩
@@allthatsheiz literally. I imagine they heard some kind of creaking as they got to the last fifteen or so minutes of their descent, because they were already almost there and it seems strange to be dropping weights at the last second if you suspected something was wrong before that. What we know so far tells me that the vessel might have given them a few split second signs before it collapsed, because it sounds like the “safety” and “emergency” sensors on board only alerted passengers to imminent destruction.
@dawnking7717lawyers for what? Who are you going to sue? The passengers had way more money than the companies CEO, waste of time
It was well known that the hull material was not to be used more than once in a high pressure environment after returning to normal pressure. With such a massive risk being ignored, that is the most likely outcome when things go wrong.
@umustwantme Where did you get the last transmission syntax from? I can't find anything about their last words.
My daddy passed away 2 years ago. He had heart issues, so when I knew he was gone, I automatically believed it was a heart attack. His wife had been out of town. My mind and my heart were shattered thinking about him in pain, knowing he was leaving this world all alone. When I finally got my composure, I asked what happened and that’s when they told me it was a motorcycle accident. A 18 wheeler was passing my dad on interstate 10, and is tire blew beside my dad, causing him to flip. He passed instantly. While that was a horrifying way to go, I took some kind of peace knowing he wasn’t scared and it was fast. However, all these situations played in my mind. A year after the accident, I googled “Is there suffering in a motorcycle accident when there’s fatal head trauma”. I found an scientific article that said it takes our brain a second to figure out what’s going on, but the accident/head trauma is over in milliseconds. Those aren’t exact, but the trauma is over a lot faster than our brain works to figure it out, and that was the answer I was hoping for. My thoughts go to the family and what they must be going through, and how your mind just plays all these different scenarios… I hope one of them is reading this and takes some kind of comfort in it. I thank God that my dad’s accident wasn’t publicized because I couldn’t have bared hearing/reading about it so much. I’m sure anyone can sympathize that losing a loved one is unbearable… imagine every time you turned in the TV you were reminded… my prayers for comfort, peace, healing that surpasses all understanding be granted to them, in Jesus Name Amen!
What a beautiful message you wrote, may the peace and the love of our precious Lord Jesus be upon you. See you in heaven some day.❤
Sincerest condolences for your loss. Love never dies ❤
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@@geniexmay562you're right, never ever ❤❤
I’m so sorry for your loss ❤
If they dropped the weights, they aborted the descent and began ascending. This means they knew imploding was imminent. All the tests and opinions of experts were right- the hull was compromised. That is horrific!
They knew alright even if it was only for a few seconds , as the vessel began to fail.
So you think they heard cracking sounds?
I wanted the CEO to know. I didn't want instantaneous, non-awareness for him. Shame for the passengers, but I wanted that guy to comprehend the extent of the f*** up.
Exactly! They were aware of the fact that they are in trouble so they were obviously scared, they knew they fate before they died!
@@turul9392 James Cameron in an interview said that the fiber would make sounds before collapsing as the fiber gets delaminated and the passengers could hear it. And this seems supported by them dropping the weights.
There should be repercussions for allowing all the search and rescue teams to go through all that trouble to rescue the sub when Oceangate already knew it had imploded, and there was nothing to rescue. Should be sued for the expenses.
What about the navy who knew and still let the coast guard search
It’s more than that. The needed to show Russia how prepared they are to intervene immediately . This came from the heads of military . Go and search now
Whelp at least their CEO died along w/ them. so no more of these idiotic expeditions will be happening again! 💪🏾 250k? Idiots
@@ProfileUserNumber James Cameron was FLABBERGASTED that the Navy let search and rescue from multiple countries (in his words) “run around with their hair on fire for four days.” Cameron says they knew on Monday morning what happened and he says he emailed his contacts in the deep sea community on Monday to tell them as much. The whole narrative the media was spinning for days about oxygen and a rescue was so ludicrous.
They were probably hoping the pieces would be carried away by a current and never found. Then they could throw up their hands and say, "Well, it's a mystery."
While it's only fair that the owner died with them, it sucks for all of the families because the person they have to blame is gone as well. Hopefully the families get the help they need to recover mentally from this. Especially the mother of the 19yr old. She lost her baby and her husband.
And she probably begged them not to go or at least begged the husband not to take the son with him.
Yeah it’s the saddest part of all this for me the one person that was supposed to protect him caused his death
@@amazinggrace5692she was supposed to be on board with her husband. The kid was excited about it so she gave him her ticket.
The mother of the 19 year old was meant to go down but her son wanted to go so she let him have her place she was on the boat with her daughter waiting for them to return
@@BalthazarMyrrh70 that’s not what his family member said and most news outlets so don’t know where you’ve got that from
OceanGate took 8 hours to inform the world they lost conmunication with the Titan, which happened at 1 hour and 45 minutes after the descend. Why keep quiet for so many hours?Meaning they knew something catastrophic happened but kept quiet , in panic about the outcry that will come accusing the company of low security and mistakes in the production. They should be sued.
i agree
They absolutely should be sued. It's also true that while exploring Titanic, contact was lost with the submersible with James Cameron on board for 16 hours. They raised the alarm in half that time.
Nah, communication loss was quite a common occurance. They usually spent about 4 hours at the Titanic before beginning the 2 hour journey back up. Often they didn't get communication back until very late in the 2 hour return journey. 8 hours is reasonable. 4+2 then 2 buffer.
they deleted youtube vidoes from their channel, they should investigate WHEN exactly they were deleted, i think a minimum of two videos were deleted like 3 hours after the incident, so BEFORE they made that first emergency call.
@@babokanal4223 great observation
I find it difficult to believe that the company's surface ship did not pick up the sound of the implosion on their hydrophones. From almost directly overhead, there would have been little doubt of the meaning of the sound.
4000m of water can stop the noise of small volcanic eruptions, a small craft imploding wouldn't be heard without expensive sonars, and openocean was all about cutting costs. imho
Exactly, if a whale can be heard for 12 miles, a high energy implosion like that could certainly be heard for a much further distance.
@@skrotosdthe implosion has been heard when they lost contact, james explained it
@@skrotosdthat’s wrong. Sound travels through water very easily
You are talking about 12.500 foot of water. With multiple layers of salinity and temperature. You wouldn’t hear it anyway even if they were floating mid column.
To say the crew didn’t know probably isn’t accurate. They dropped their emergency weights which indicates they knew an emergency was happening.
The sub probably imploded at the very moment it lost contact. I think the implosion is the reason why they lost contact
Yep. Nice to see some common sense and logic on here for once. Everyone else is all of a sudden a marine expert with tin foil hats on.
@@ryanflood635I'm just surprised that I haven't seen any comments linking this with the WEF or Bill Gates. I'm only half joking about that.
I agree
Well duh dumb ass
It has lost contact with the support vessel every time during testing. the CEO knew about this communication blackout but decided it was fine that way
There's a lot of misinformation seemingly doing the rounds. Apparently they were in comms when the sub said it was aborting the journey, then comms went silent. Likely at that point it imploded. IF that's the case then why leave it 8 hours.
i think because they have lost communication many times before so they thought it was happening again possibly ?
Charitably, it's because they didn't hear it and chose to hope for the best for way too long. Alternatively, it takes time to cover your... tracks.
I think they were frantically searching the surrounding sea in case it did get to the surface.
Yeah, unfortunately it wasn’t uncommon for the subs to just disappear for hours on end. I’m not sure if it was the same sub, but one OceanGate mission had no contact for about 6 hours once
when you get that bad feeling in the pits of your stomach something bad will happen, dont ignore it, this is instincts we used to help us survive for thousands of years . :[
Best way to explore Titanic would be VR. Completely safe and immersive. That would be the way forward for thrill seekers and to allow pretty much everyone an affordable way to experience this.
Makes sense!
Then there will still be people who rather go see the real thing instead.
It can be done in a perfectly safe submarine, people been much deeper than that.
They just used a crappy vessel
Leave the Titanic alone now. Nobody should be allowed down there.
Growing up, we had a Nat geo picture book with high def pictures of the titanic - that was quite amazing .. I'm sure they can do so much more now with those rovers and VR
That was my first thought when I heard they had started an emergency resurface. They had hull sensors attached to detect structural issues. They would have realized the hull was in jeopardy. The ridiculously long period of time to request assistance was them figuring out how to play the aftermath.
last sentence, agreed. i even believe the whole 'sounds' fairytale has been fed by oceangate itself.
When it turns out they knew and let the 'rescue' play out... that needs to follow some people forever.
I doubt the people aboard the vessel knew the hull was in jeopardy, but the mothership? Absolutely.
They had a leak on the hull BEFORE they went under...still went under..I don't think safety was the top priority
@@hamburgrhelplessthey dropped their weights. That’s done in emergency ascent. So sadly, they knew something was going on. James Cameron said they probably heard it with their ears not from the sensors.
I’m turning 30 soon and I feel pain for the 19 years old son who died in this tragedy.. This moment is when he should have lived his life at its finest.
I worked for Oceaneering , Cdive & Bisso Marine Doing salvage & subsea work for years. I could not even believe some of the total disregard for safety & ROV protocols. The equipment in all aspects of making a dive like this was industry substandard. I would not gotten within a 1/2 mile of this project. Tragic loss for the families. Again this is why all parties involved including Passengers need to do Due Diligence. If you have never spent anytime on the ocean & , or under the ocean you can not fathom how harsh the environment is.
It’s harsh for humans because we, humans, are not aquatic animals/species lol we are not dolphins, a fish, squid or anything that lives in the ocean.
That’s why it’s harsh lol people are acting like they were born last week
Everyone accept the Dawood’s had experience going down
Where you said all the equipment was "industry substandard"... absolutely this.
I work in IT, where there's a similar balance between standards and innovation. I agree with you. I've seen things in my field that I wouldn't touch with a 10-mile pole. But that's the thing. I have education, knowledge, and experience feeding into my ability to make sound decisions.
Stockton intentionally and deliberately made substandard and nonstandard decisions, like... threw 80% of the book out the window. And it cost him his life, which he was more than willing to give for his vision. I'm not sure how subpar materials are visionary, but he got to name drop NASA as a result. The two benefactors were no different. I'm sure they saw it as a means to eventually increase their portfolio. Same with the pilot. They all understood exactly what this was, right down to all the previous issues they chose to ignore, right down to their acceptance of borrowed time. It was roulette, and they took that gamble. The real tragedy is the young man. Whether he was all in or totally afraid for his life is beside the point of his inability to completely and fully comprehend the magnitude of what he was getting into. These explorers go hard or die trying. So be it. But you don't rope in others and victimize them.
Perception versus the reality or facts. Aviation and other industries are the same. People just have no idea how many things are just pencil-whipped/checked off.
@@chocolatte522Don't have any sympathy for the kid. Look who was raising and mentoring him.
What kind of person was he becoming.
This isn't a tragedy, it's natural selection, and the Apple never falls far from the tree.
Zero sympathy for anyone. Thankfully none of the rescue teams were injured or killed in the process of looking for these morons.
Who in their right mind would choose to go 2 miles down in the sea in something that resembled a very large laundry dryer? Their money could have been put towards some very good cause. It's insane.
100,000+ overdose deaths in 2022. Money could finance rehab facilities.
I agree.They prefer to satisfy their lust for something 'fun'rather than using their money to help their less fortunate brethen.Selfish it would seem.
@@sidstovell2177 uncountable billions have been spent on Rehab facilities and the more Rehabs and rehab money is spread around the more junkies and ODs than ever before.
@@jameslee2615 Yes but you'll think nothing of buying the new Xbox or whatever new game comes out and spending another $100 on 'marvel movies' this year.
@@sidstovell2177 nobody asked them to do drugs, it was their own choice. these people wanted to explore, and that's their choice too
People in the submersible community knew immediately what happened because of the carbon hull. It must have been difficult for them to sit by and listen for four days to the countdown of the oxygen supply. This owner of OceanGate flipped the finger at the experts and took four lives with him.
So...how is it they all knew expect for the ones who went. Were they gifted free passes? I would think each of these men were smart enough to know what they were getting into. Did the CEO invite them all for free because I do not understand why any would pay to go on this thing.
@mollyjones4165 the passengers were no experts. But still, given their financial succes in life you would think they would have been smart enough to research this company and technology before getting into that thing.
@@mollyjones4165 Why? Because they were paying customers. If they knew that this operation wasn’t certified for deep sea diving and was using a material for the hull that was experimental, at best, and no safety measures in place, they would have been in a position to make a reasoned decision.
@@philippehendrickx1109 I think the very wealthy never believe something bad can happen to them. It’s been demonstrated before.
@@sharonsparks900 if they were paying customers I would hope they would of chosen something better. This is why I wonder if they had free passes.
I have a feeling lost contact was pretty normal during their dives to the titanic and didn’t raise the alarm until when they should have been back because that was the norm. Either way it’s gross negligence on the company and the owners part of this accident
Not sure about lost contact been normal but if you see the setup they had yes they wanted less interference as possible.
They really wanted the passenger immersed into what they were viewing.
They had a commentary system going describing what they were seeing and all.
I guarantee you when Jim went down 33 times there was no lost contact.
He would have been well equipped with all communications plus another sub with him
This. I would lean to agree with you because when this all started they were talking about all failed descent efforts made by this company. This was going to be the singular dive all the way down of the entire year. People want it to be some conspiracy but I truly believe the crew on the ship were clinging to hope that this was just another one of those instances.
Losing contact isn't pretty normal. I don't know what you're talking about. That's the first line of an emergency.
@@realskeezy3601 we’re talking about a company and owner who constantly cut corners and didn’t listen or do safety checks. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that loss of communication while continuing a mission didn’t happen.
We’re all going to speculate the details of what happened for months until a full report from the investigation comes out. Again this is my theory. Whose to say we’re all wrong and it was a colossal squid attack. Speculation is only that
Even if I’m wrong which is still extremely likely. Not reporting loss of communication immediately to the coast guard on an experimental sub is still gross negligence on the companies part. The fact they reported a sub misssing when they were supposed to be back gives me the hunch that this wasn’t the first time this happened
If they new it was game over and didn't say anything then they are guilty of gross negligence and should be held accountable.
the gross negligence seems to have started well before they launched the sub
How can that possibly be negligence? You obviously don't understand the definition of the word. Had they made the call immediately, would that have brought these fools back to life?
If they knew and didnt say anything. I highly doubt the CEO would be onboard..
@@byteme9718 they cost millions in rescue efforts, who is gonna foot the bill for the unnecessary rescue?
As absolutely moronic as that excuse of a sub was built, everyone signed a death waiver. No one can be held accountable.
What I don’t get is: Paul-Henri Nargeolet was one of the passengers and had the most experience with 35 trips down to the Titanic wreck. Did it not occur to him there was something shoddy about the Titan submersible?
I feel for the 19 year old. He didn't even want to do this, he was terrified. His dad forced him to go with him. The poor mother and sister have now lost 2 beloved family members because the dad wanted to do something dangerous for Father's Day...
I think he wanted to please his dad on father's day so didn't want to disappoint him I suppose. so he went .😏
Aw he has a sister as well😢-my condolences to her and the mum
The son was likely bullied into going, by his father. Such a tragedy. The other men knew the risks and chose to ignore them, the 19-year-old is the victim.
What kind of father would insist his son go w/him knowing he's terrified? Almost sounds like murder to me!
The mother did an interview. She was supposed to go. The kid was so excited about it, she gave him her ticket.
I agree -- this shouldn't be used to stop serious explorers who are doing their due diligence in how they conduct themselves (such as James Cameron). This is about the type of approach that OceanGate was taking. Even other deep water explorers had already warned about OceanGate's approach long before this happened. They are the ones who should be consulted on the best way to set up some oversight -- they clearly have the expertise, and the warnings they had given to OceanGate prove they have the ability to distinguish between legitimate exploration and foolish endeavors.
Real explorer types tend to be OCD about the details and their exploration is an examination and proof of their capacity for obsessive detail attention to details and planning. This project was none of that and, even, a cognitive dissonance rejection of it
This was more or less the equivalent of 'Trotter's Ethnic Tours' in Only Fools & Horses, just with a higher fair.
Rich men playing pretend explorer when all they actually did was nothing but adventure tourism and apparently they were so used to everyone else doing their homework that they didn't check how safe this company is. I just have to laugh at these billionaires stroking their egos and claiming they're explorers or even scientists or have a "passion for science" when I'm a real scientist and I've spent years and years sitting on my ass unglamorously studying and working hard, science isn't something you can buy and try on as an aesthetic, how much can you know or care about science if you don't even study the safety of the submersible your life depends on?
@@cuebj was PH who died in the event not a real explorer?
@@sjfortunethe titanic mam himself went and even said he is a tester based on how weird this pod is and still he went I could see if he went with he very first group but they should have had fresh submersibles
That's exactly what I thought when I heard they'd been waiting for 8 hours to inform the CG. Either they hoped the sub would miraculously surface right in front of their vessel which is absurd - or they were panicking the sub had imploded and they were discussing how best to get out of this situation without admitting mistakes. In anyway I do not think anyone could have been saved had the CG been informed earlier but I am convinced the whole search operation could have been done quicker if the company had told the full truth right from the start. They were afraid this catastrophe would be the end of their business but that's what it is anyway. Who would want to pay so much money to put their life in the hands of a company that has shown a "not very responsible" performance in the past?
Was it worth it? Five people died. Four families and lots of friends around the world grieving. Total strangers sending prayers and crying salty tears over so much pain. All this because the company decided regulations slow them down and every warning from experts was arrogantly ignored... bottom line - it was all for making profits and making them fast... Perhaps it's time to find another approach to making money that includes thoughtfulness and responsible performance.
I read, that there has been a 5 hours missed communication during an earlier dive...they might have thought, that it could be similar that time...
Loss of communication wouldn't have proved it wasn't coming back up.
Well , i do not know, but isnt this the good old American way of live??? To wrangle as much money as possible in the shortest amount of time out of everybody who couldnt or wouldnt jump to the Side and cheat \ lie/ harming everybody as long as possible as long as one stood a Chance to get away with such behaviour? So ,what do you really expect??
@@michaelstramm2366 I expect responsible business conduct. The good old American way of life? Perhaps it is indeed an American thing - however, it is far from good in so many ways.
Five people died and five families are grieving, not four.
Of course they knew what had happened, and didn't report anything because we live in a world of lies.
It also happened to be a good distraction from a certain corrupt US president. Wickedness abounds.
Absolutely.
You got it pal! This was the old look that way trick. Was it perfect timing to cover up the hunter Biden scandal.
This is not true. Most people and organizations tell the truth most of the time. Most things work pretty much the way they're supposed to almost all the time.
Cynicism is the wisdom of the dolt. You harm yourself by believing such nonsense and you corrupt social life by spreading your nonsense.
It is perhaps because you believe a large falsehood that you exaggerate the number of lies you think you see.
@@Mossadwins No. Question. At. ALL.
This is my exact question. The media put us through days on end drama after they KNEW they were already gone. So stupid and a total waste of time and emotion.
All that money and not one of those billionaires could afford a shred of common sense. It's quite poetic.
Big egos have little ears!
@@max.racingwas working as a secretary at this company and had an engineer come up and ask if I had some Tylenol cause he had a headache. I had to open it for him cause he couldn't figure out he childproof cap. 🤣🤣 I had a drill Sargeant in basic tell us once that common sense is a super power 🤣
Right 💯%
CLUELESS UNCRITICAL .WASTED
For the record it’s one billionaire fee millionaires
How is it possible that Ocean Gate would allow the huge expensive search by several countries to go ahead if they knew it was game over?
As well as thoughts and prayers from the rest of us
I think they knew they were gone, just looking for debris field.
GREED AND THE $ Sign , plain and simple.
COA
Because like all rich corporate mo fos, they dont care, it's how W.R. Grace got away with selling asbestos contaminated vermiculite attic insulation for DECADES and kept it quiet, and when the chit hit the fan they simply filed for bankruptcy, reorganized as a "new' company and back in business.
I believe the 8 hour reporting delay is inexcusable due to the fact communications and the pinging device used to track the submersible failed simultaneously. Apparently, the pinging is used by the mother ship to track the submersibles location and transmit guidance instructions to the Titanic wreck since it didn't have independent navigation capability.
Agree with you. Since the other banging noise got reported not long after the authorities were called, and the searchers could not ignore a possible man-made cry for help, in my opinion, waiting so long to call for help on Sunday caused the families 4 unnecessary days of anguish.
If the ship personnel had called for help as soon as the Titan lost its comms and tracking, the Navy could have linked that timing with the implosion sound it detected on Sunday. It would have given the families a more immediate answer, in my opinion.
Why did personnel wait so long to report? Was it so common for the Titan to malfunction? It would have been evident on the ship that Titan lost both tracking and comms. And people were in there!
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@@m.h.6499 what difference does it make.....there still dead
@@hoppercar I’m not there nor in the military, but it seems it could have saved the families 4 unnecessary days of anguish.
If the ship had reported this loss of tracking and comms to authorities, and the Navy could have gone back through their record of detected sounds, it would have become clear the submersible imploded (and thus no survivors) as opposed to waiting so many, many hours before putting out a distress call. They undertook a search, and then the start of the banging noise, which had to be investigated as possibly man made. Thereby prolonging the families’ anguish by another 4 days. It was reported in news here that the sister of the teenager had been very hopeful about the banging, believing them still alive.
It would have made no difference to the submersible crew, but it might have let the families know there was no hope 4 days sooner, not putting them through that suspense and stress. That’s all I meant.
They waited eight hours, because that was the duration the trip was supposed to take for them to return the surface. They lose contact in the past as well sometimes. So they waited the whole duration to see if they would re-surface.
the difference is, they raised an alarm before they lost contact ,so that should have been reason enough to NOT wait 8 hours
That would make sense, unless the word filtering through turns out to be true that the last comms from the sub was declaring an emergency and saying they were dumping weight to return to the surface. Then those 8 hours are a very different thing.
The ship's sonars would have heard the implosion. The readings would've been so distiguishable.
Oh, they knew all right
They still needed direction from the mothership to get to the titanic at the bottom. Waiting 8 hours with no contact does not make sense if the mothership had to provide them guidance.
But according to their "safety" procedures, when the sub loses communication, their immediate protocol if they can't get it back up and running is to resurface. So they should've been back to the surface within 2 hours, not 8. Besides, as James Cameron said, they were said to have reported there was an issue and dropped the weights for an emergency ascent before they lost all comms. I think Ocean Gate knew there was a catastrophic implosion straight away :(
Why can’t these billionaires just make a real submarine to explore the Titanic?
A real submarine?
"Real submarines" don't go that deep.
But to make a capable submersible, Challenger Deep, was about $10M
I guess they could easily afford that.
I wonder how much the Titan cost
A submarine is a submersable vehicle. They are the same thing. Yall are picking pepper out of flyshit
@@RandomPickles "picking pepper out of flyshit" Now that's a quote worth stealing 👍
@@RandomPickles It's the "a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle is not necessarily a square" thing. A submarine is certainly "submersible", but it's a submarine because it is completely self-sufficient, i.e., it does not rely on a mother ship to provide transport to and from port or to supply power or other support. A submersible is not capable of sustaining itself without a vessel to transport and support it. That's the difference. It's not picking pepper out of flyshit, it's knowing what the hell you're talking about.
Is a glider an airplane? They both fly, don't they? Is a rowboat a ship?
I don't remember where I got this information, but there was a report that the sub dropped its weights in an attempt to ascend just before it imploded. This leads one to believe that perhaps they did become aware of something going horribly wrong just before the catastrophe. I also watched a video of the construction of the sub with Mr. Rush commenting. It was amazing to see how the carbon fiber laminate was wrapped around the cylinder, which was literally GLUED to the titanium ring that joined the round front part and the main compartment of the vessel. One has to imagine that joining two different types of materials with glue would not hold up well under such immense pressures!!
what I don't understand is this: They informed Ocean Gate that they dropped the weights, they aborted the descent and began ascending, why the heck wait 8 hrs, I mean they surely would have known that to abort, and begin ascending, does not take 8 hours? That means that the people are in trouble and need help!
Excellent point....if the ship on the surface knew they were ascending and abandoning the mission and suddenly all communications and tracking were lost...that means something went wrong. In a situation like that, you don't wait for the trip completion time, hoping they would pop up....🤔😤
Vernacular cystostatis implosion
@@brianglade848 is that English?..
@@ajithfernando1702No,- mostly Latin. lol
The most heinous crime would have been if anyone had died looking for them.
Right
i tend to think oceangate didn't raise the alarm for 8 hours not because they knew it was game over at all, but because they had had communications problems with the sub before, along with other problems, so they waited things out to be resolved, and also i can imagine that they didn't have protocols in place for when and why to raise alarms that could garner negative attention from gov'ts, media, and the public. stockton rush was the only real authority figure in the organization, and a cry for help without his say-so would have taken time to, um, bubble up from within the ranks
This was crazy to put yourself in that much danger
😂😂 Stupid not crazy! There’s a huge difference!
Not just yourself but your child. What a piss poor father.
@@spots8810 💯 lil man is the only one I feel bad for cause he wanted to spend time w/ his pops and pops thought that was a wonderful way to spend 500k 🤦🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Steve Garvey was the Mr Clean of baseball
@@keenbean2843apparently the kid didn’t even want to go according to the family
Everyone involved and who were on board need to be detained and interviewed as to why they waited nearly 22 hours to raise the alarm, what where they doing very suspicious.
Where do you get the 22 hours?
They waited 8 hours because that was the planned duration of the dive.
It's cursed, it's a graveyard leave it in peace, do not mess with the Dead.....
The search team didn’t owe the world anything. They owed the families an obligation to conduct a thorough search and rescue until evidence was found and that they did yesterday. Yes they had a timeline that included when the mother ship lost contact, when they were contacted, when the navy heard the suspected implosion but none of that was conclusive until the debris was discovered so they had to maintain this as an active search and rescue.
The search should never have taken place unless paid for privately. This was all tax payers assets wasted and those involved owed nothing to the families of these idiots.
Lol, no. The search team does NOT owe the families anything. When 100+ migrants drowned near Greece 2 weeks ago, were their families owed a thorough search? Bc they DID NOT get one...🫠
OceanGate owes the search and rescue teams several million dollars. No one is obligated to rescue fools...
If I call for an ambulance because I am in trouble, I have to pay for it. They should have to pay back every bit of taxpayer money.
@@byteme9718 Totally correct. Idiots deserve instant Karma
If they took 8 hours before they reported the incident then they are absolutely complicit in the death of these people. This was an experimental submersible that I suspect was not completely checked out. This is sad and tragic. Should never have happened. No it obviously wasn't sea worthy.
It is like a missing person. You can't even report it or be taken seriously until 24hrs has passed that's what they were dealing with. They suspected something was wrong, not couldn't prove it. So they called for help when they were sure they were going to need it.
Not sure how they're complicit? Those people were dead in milliseconds after the implosion -- reporting the problem in 5 seconds would not have made any difference to their fates. The crime is that they didn't just tell folks they were looking for debris right near where the Titanic is.
They were dead as soon as they went past a certain depth and they knew it, reporting it 1 second of 1 day later wouldn’t have made a difference at all
They (ocean gate) waited 8hrs because they were mobilizing their legal team.
The owner is dead so he will be held accountable. The company will be dissolved. The assets will be split amongst the relatives of the deceased. Nobody else will go to jail or face any serious personal repercussions.
The wheel keeps on spinning.
These two gentlemen right here with a deep and profound interview!
To know their fate must have been terrifying.
they died instantly
They wouldn't have known anything about it.
I agree.
@@dilltdog1158 They would if they were coming back up due to hull noises
@@RennieAshI’m guessing noise of compression is normal to a degree in submarines, I’m assuming there would’ve been some panic, from the two that had been down before, they probably heard noises they hadn’t before and pressed on until it got bad enough to drop weight communicate emergency and popped soon after.
I don’t understand the reasoning and rationale of his statement, the mothership waited 8 hours to notify the Coast Guard because they knew it imploded?
Because Oceangate was a grifter level company thru and thru.
Forget the company disclaimer trying to absolve themselves of any possible litigation in the events of loss of life on those deep water journeys - the co-founder of OceanGate is gonna get sued by the families, or he certainly should be, as the submersible simply wasn't sea worthy, unregulated and unregistered to carry humans down there. The number one point above any other legal points in company protection is "human safety". There wasn't any. They had cut corners and doing things on the cheap at least in their terms of high levels of wealth to play around in.
they signed a waiver knowing that this could end in death
His wife is hiding. Stupid lady
The estates of these individuals should reimburse the taxpayer for all this. They went down there knowing the risks
@@nooral-hudaa7146Waivers do not excuse negligence. This is literally common knowledge.
@nooral-hudaa7146 that waiver is gone once ocean gate used rigged parts, went past safety regulations etc. They will hopefully go bankrupt
They had a loss of communications in a previous dive, but still completed the underwater tour, then on the ascent communications were restored. I believe they thought that, is what this was.
Look, until we found debris, or the people, we HAD to hold onto hope. A suspected implosion due to a noise being heard, regardless of the experience of the one listening... seeing is believing. Imagine we assumed they were gone, never looked, and they were just bobbing away on the surface, slowly running out of O2 or some other instance... we had to hold out some hope, and at least try, it’s what makes us human.
Why people can't understand this is beyond me?!
@@beanj580 They'd be exactly the same people who'd be moaning and pointing fingers and making up conspiracy theories if the search had been abandoned any sooner. They just don't deal in facts, unfortunately. It's not exactly that they are too stupid to understand the facts, it's just that they shut out any facts that don't fit their agenda at the time. Though you could say that's stupid in itself of course.
To answer your question, I visit memorials/museums regarding historical events all the time whilst globetrotting. You can't help but go pay your respects to those who were lost/survived these events. I learn about another group of people, their countries, and cultures. Sometimes, I learn about their struggles, whether past or present. May their souls rest in peace and my condolences to their loved ones. ❤🙏🏾
I've seen the Globetrotters, pretty good ball players
Was there a coverup,that's why they waited 8 hours.
They had lost communication before and went on with voyage. Then came up nd on their way. I’m sure they knew or waited hoping it was ok.
It will all come out in the end especially if the last received communication was that they were dropping weights and attempting to abort and ascend i read someone mentioned that they were descending too fast, and trying to drop weight the mind boggles.
A couple of days ago, the news broadcasts was saying that there was intervals of taping detected. And now they are saying it was instead implosion.
It amazes me that anyone would want to get a glance of a rotted out gutted out rusted out old ship through a peephole deep underwater. I wonder what kind of mess was going on in there head.
Indeed they waited 8 hours to be sure that every details went acxording to what they planned ahead, and this trigger the question if the wreckage belong to a duplicated model of the sub?
Sorry I touched the wrong key…what I was meaning to say was , if true that the young man went on this journey to please his Father even though he was terrified. Has proved the price we pay for love..My heartfelt condolences to all the families of this Tragic Venture. R.I P 5 adventurers.
I have a feeling during that 8 hours ocean gate deleted f@$king everything.
My hunch is I think they’d had so many previous issues (backwards thrusters etc) that with their confidence / arrogance, whatever you want to call it, they’d assumed it would resolve itself as past issues somehow did. When they realized too much time had passed then they sounded the alarm.
They already had an inclination that the sub wasnt safe on padt trips. Totally foolish and self indulgence to want to spend money on visiting a grave when there are far bigger needs in the world. Sad for families but avoidable.
Oh shut up about the use of money. It was their money, nobody owes their own money to help “solve” the world’s problems
@@banksuvladimir could say the same about the tax money used to find these idiots
Those are the deceased rich people's money. Their money, their choice.
I agree 100%
@@Homosapien77 Show some respect to the deceased. And if you are in an accident, I am sure you wouldn't mind the tax money being wasted on you.
You're absolutely correct, 8 hour delay?? They mother ship KNEW SUB IMPLODED.
They all knew the risks. Its a tragedy but hopefully this will give pause to people considering casual submarine tourism. Whoever is alive and in an authority position at OceanGate needs to be held accountable for lack of proper testing.
Pretty sure he was in the sub
@@nowirehangers2815 Thats why I said whoever is alive. Presumably there are people in the chain of command other than the CEO that were overlooking the submersible's development and safety testing or lack there of.
They didn't know the risks, they were bullshitted by a delusional, egotistical idiot. The young lad certainly didn't know the risks, being dragged along to get in a baked bean tin by his old man, shocking. I bet the mother was worried before they got anywhere near that untested piece of crap.
@@scrange4765 it was a privately funded project, all people have the right to explore if they feel to do so, the passengers signed a waiver to say anything might happen and they might die or never resurface and after reading that, and still signing and getting on board, nobody can be held responsible. those passengers made a choice. nobody was forced on this sub. all they can do it find out why it imploded and improve that on future designs, but to blame the company for choices the passengers made it not fair.
@Ghost-tx4ft Bullshit that's exactly who to blame. They literally fired a guy and sued him for bringing up the lack of safety regulations
They dropped ballast and reported the same to the support vessel.
I don't know why the anchor emphasized "rich" like three times in describing the passengers. Just because they could afford to take a risky endeavor doesn't mean that they deserved to go out like this. Pretty callous how people diminish their lives just because they were privileged.
They probably were following some cost-saving protocols put in place by the CEO himself.
The Chinese are blowing up and salvaging the metal from WW2 ships in the Pacific, the tombs of thousands of sailors who gave their lives, that is the moral question we should be asking
That is what I had been saying for days.- In other words the catastrophic incident happened before the buoys were deployed. Only one news channel that I heard of in recent days says a "seismic implosion" was detected at the same time the mother ship lost contact with the sub. If some people don't know, scientist these days, have seismic instruments in our oceans to detect earthquakes. This can allow warnings for tsunamis. The instruments can pick up other strong vibrations, that may not have anything to do with an earthquake. This means, if I remember correctly, that it was Sunday morning they lost contact, and that is when the implosion must have happened. So I think it is very clear when it happened. It is the only mercy for these people, instead of them down there stuck for hours or days suffering slowly to death from hypothermia with no way of getting out in time. Condolences.
Oceangate needs to be sued out of existence. Seriously!
I'm starting to believe that they were giving false hope on purpose, to keep the public glued to this story to divert attention away from something else
Just because the media doesn’t report your preferred news topic 24/7 does not means everything else is a distraction.
Page seven tactic ... Anybody found the real news yet ?
i feel deeply for the 19 year old, but i still don't know off by heart the name of a single person who perished in the Mediterranean this week, or any of the other 500+ people who perished. this is a heartbreakingly stark state of affairs given the extraordinary amount of assets and resources given to 5 single souls, compared to those many hundreds without similar means who were left to perish
So true...I've been saying he same thing since this spectacle of a search and rescue started. Only the lives of the wealthy are worth saving.
😢 sad!
Whoa, what the hell happened to the regular people?
You mean the dinghy riders?
F them I don't care
Illegal v Legal.
How is it legal to operate UNCERTIFIED
The only sad part about this situation is that the CEO cant be locked up for murder!!
James Cameron and Bob Ballards give the best most honest replies to all this. They also both knew it imploded with it lost communication and tracking as the NAVY did
The search was smoke and mirrors. Their best and only hope they were hoping for is that the sub was never found.
There were soooo many red flags about that trip and the company as a whole and those people still decided to go 😢
When OceanGate said they offer the full Titanic experience, they really weren't kidding.
I guess the OceanGate Titanic experience really was a tourist trap.
Best comment, you defiantly won the internet today. It takes talent to take a tragedy and make it comedy.
@@MrNota500I agree. Couldn't have said it better, myself.
I wish they would stop saying that they died instantly without knowing what was happening, we don’t know that, there are reports that they aborted the mission - which tells us that they had some warning that the hull was cracking/delaminating. 👀
My thoughts and prayers are with the families at this sad time. I really feel for them.
It went down many times before but eventually without being tested this was its limit
Watch James Cameron’s statement on this he explains why
Yeah it kept contracting and expanding...stress fracture.
@@hrnedange8436 he is not a expert, he is a movie director bro.
@@Ghost-tx4ft Cameron designed and built a sub that went down nearly 3x further than Titanic, he knows.
@@Ghost-tx4ftActually he has made sense of it way more than anyone else so far.
They waited 8 hours to call attorneys and figure out what the game plan was for the press and liquidate their assets listening devices on the ocean floor detected the implosion immediately do you need a time to talk to attorneys for a plan so that the lawsuits wouldn't clean them out and they could keep something for themselves to live on
Let’s say the Navy knew immediately that there was an implosion through the classified acoustic coastal system, they still needed to wait around for 2 days for the tethered ROV to come out to the site and find the proof that it absolutely did implode. In that time between, and still not knowing for sure if it was the Titan that imploded, was the search and rescue that took place in air and over the surface of the ocean a waste of time? Of course it wasn’t. No one could absolutely prove it was the Titan that made the implosion acoustics until it was physically found on the ocean bottom.
Also, if they were pretty sure the sun had imploded they would still want to search on the surface for debris to collect for the inevitable investigation. We thought they were searching for the men, they were probably searching for men and/or debris. RIP the five men.
The company knew it had imploded, but they still wasted everybody's time and got the families hopes up. They knew right away. When the radio communication stopped working, the only explanation was that the submersible was gone. If the submersible was still intact, the radio communication would have still been working
The comms not working wasn’t necessarily a cause for concern as is often happened apparently and Rush had a habit of turning off the comms. The transponder not working was the red flag as James Cameron explained this was in its own pressure container and had its own battery. When the transponder went that’s when they should have known it had imploded.
Please someone check my math. Assuming interior volume of about 3 cubic meters, pressure of 35 Megapascals, the energy released in the implosion would be volume x pressure, or 105 Megajoules. This is equivalent to 105 sticks of dynamite. Quite a bit of this energy would have been converted to acoustic energy in the human hearing range. Given the distance is only 3.5km and attenuation of sound waves in the human hearing range is about 1dB/km, this sound should have been audible on the surface very clearly.
Heard a theory this morning: they didn’t announce the deaths until after the oxygen would’ve run out. Could it be that there’d be no way to get them up if they were alive? They wanted the family as well as the world to believe that death was instantaneous.
the military reported that they knew about the implosion on sunday yet still put on a show and attempted a rescue until they found the sub part
that is sick
And they conveniently found the debris Thursday when it was estimated the passengers would run out of oxygen. If the implosion happened hours after their descent on Sunday, right around the site of their descent, how did it take so long to find the debris?
Bullshit. They heard the sound, but did not know what it was.
Info withheld from the public to be manipulated for later use. The implosion was heard within 90 minutes of submergence; (allegedly/approximately) mentioned; then radio silence while most people missed the cue and went into prayers and light mode for days. Who suffered the most? The general public of course as they came to grips with the “impending” tragedy that already occurred swiftly and instantaneously. ❤ and condolences to the families. This was one of the most preventable tragedies in history. 😢
i hope someone has their eye on the financial situation at OceanGate. more spefically assets and balances being quickly shifted away from the company during those hours of delays
It's almost certain that all responsible parties did not die on that sub. The 8 hours thing is mega suspicious.
Question to an expert (I've not heard anyone ask this yet). If the Titan had been snagged or was stuck on the sea bed for 96 hours, could the cabin sustain that level of pressure for that length of time?
Surprisingly, the "banging sounds" from that area only stopped 48 hours ago!! What does that tell you?? The families deserve to know the TRUTH.
Knowing ahead of time the son was "terrified" is awful 😢Even though this was supposed to be just an expedition for a very short time another submersible should have been alongside them for an added safety precaution. Just insane knowing it was being operated by a gamer controller. 😮
What good would another submersible have done?
Military drones and otherwise are operated by "gamer controllers". I don't know why this is so mind-blowing to some people
@@kenneth9874nothing, OP clearly isn't the sharpest tool in the shed
@@yotetoob right, as if you could transfer or do anything at that depth, smh
Military controllers don't use Amazon joysticks however
Too many creatures at the bottom will be cleaning up any biological mess, terrible that these Adventurers especially the father and son , who would have been truly naive to vessel's integrity they we travelling in, have been lost in this manner.
There won't be any biological mess to clear up, apart from a few smears of DNA on pieces of carbon fibre. Maybe enough to be able to justify writing out a death certificate. Imagine being INSIDE a high explosive bomb when it goes off....
after an implosion at more than 3000m I fear that there is not much left to clean up. Instant disintegration for the poor souls on board
As far as I'm concerned they should have never gone in that sub .the proper tests weren't done it all seems shady to me
If the sub exploded at “crush depth”, wouldn’t you have seen at the surface a huge “bubble” of air exploding out of the ocean visible or heard by the mothership crew?
Not sure about bubbles but I’m sure the mother ship heard the implosion. Don’t see how they wouldn’t.
@@BanjoPixelSnack You're 'sure'? Why? This happened at about 2 miles deep, in water. What do you think you would hear on a vessel on the surface, and where do you get your information on that from?
Everything, I've read and seen about this: they shouldn't have made the trip. It was a suicide dive, and sorry to say, criminally negligent. You really have to wonder what the owners were thinking?
They were dumb. They knew something really bad would happen.... They are all at fault