I like how the father said “Rush had a different risk appetite than I did”. That’s a good line to share with kids when they feel peer pressure… don’t give in… the others may have a different risk appetite than you do.
Stockton Rush was no different from CEOs of aircraft and vehicle manufacturers who were aware of and ignored flaws in their products that eventually led to deaths of thousands. I'm surprised why these CEOs were not as condemned and vilified as Stockton Rush. At least he paid for his hubris and arrogance with his life while the CEOs received generous pay.
@@BraddahDaIzLives Looks like father and son chubbies both riding a foot long sub four times a day. Probably we will learn they were too large for the ride unless they each bought 2 tickets for the $150k. So $600k, and 4 total riders.
@@InstantOnyx theres a lot of fat young people, not a lot of fat old people, cause they dead, why is warning about the dangers of heart disease a bad thing
@@dominiquexo4772 One dad pamper son, and son do the study.... the other son filial to dad wishes, but dad dint do any study... pamper your child saves your life.
This is how a father and son relationship should be …you raise them to be smart, you listen to their wisdom and don’t pressure them into doing something they’re not comfortable with
We do not know the details of their conversation or relationship. No parent can't say they have never encouraged, insisted, persuaded a child to participate in something they other wise would not have done so out of their own accord. Stop being so judgmental!!
@@mrfantastik8168 I saw an interview with his Aunt. She said her nephew never felt right about the trip and really did not want to go but did it for his father and her only solace is that he did not suffer.
@hfleah I understand the boy did not want to go. I insist, stop being judgemental. You think the Father Paid $250,000 for his child's ticket , because he wad a bad Father? Perhaps the boy told that to the Mother and not to his Dad. We don't know the details of the Son and Dad's conversation. Accidents can happen even on a drive to drop off your child to school. Stop judging, that is my point!
Right on. You should be commended for raising such an astute young man. Honestly I was a bit bull headed when my son was 19. I was Momma and 39. I applaud you for listening and God bless his instincts. Glad your both still here.
“So passionate about the project that he was blinded by it; he didn’t see things that were problematic because it didn’t fit his narrative”. That sir, is the whole thing in a nutshell. And how few people today are as wise as this man and his son!!
@@luns486.......What an utterly ridiculous comment! RMS Titanic was built by the largest and most renowned shipbuilders on the planet - Harland & Wolff - and owned and operated by one of the world's most prominent shipping companies - Britain's White Star Line - who were in turn owned by the world's richest man at that time, JP Morgan. In charge of the Titanic on her maiden voyage was White Star's most senior and experienced captain and the company's commodore - Captain Edward Smith. Also onboard Titanic for her fateful first voyage was White Star's Chairman J Bruce Ismay who famously stated that the Titanic was the 'world's largest movable object ever fashioned by the hands of man' At a cost of US$7.5m [US$166m in todays' money] in 1909, Titanic was a state-of-the-art, ultra-luxurious liner that included ground-breaking safety features never before seen on passenger ships - such as a double-hull, watertight compartments, automatically operated bulkhead doors and provision for over sixty lifeboats - although these were later reduced to conform with British Board of Trade requirements. It is also an established fact that at no point did White Star, Ismay, Thomas Andrews [White Star's chief architect and designer of Titanic] Captain Smith or anyone else related to the ship ever claim that the Titanic was 'unsinkable'. [this infamous quote was invented and bestowed on the Titanic by the newspapers and typically sensationalist journalists of the day. The 'Titan' was a mickey mouse vessel, cobbled together by using a plethora of second-hand and spare parts and designed and built on behalf of a highly dubious and clearly delusional American businessman [Stockton Rush]. It had no regulatory marine or engineering certification and for all and intense purpose was only intended as a toy to take obscenely rich people on a jolly to what is in effect a grave for over fifteen hundred poor souls. There is absolutely no comparison between the two vessels or of the hard-selling Mr Rush and those involved with Titanic.
The way the son looks over and waits for the dad to initiate the opening conversation subtly shows a humbling respect for his dad. Neither of them interrupting each other. And also honoring each other’s intuition , was literally life saving. They have a very respectable and healthy relationship. I enjoyed their honesty here. Very happy they declined.
The fact the CEO flew to pressure and convince them is wild. Good on the father for heeding and listening to his son’s concerns and not blowing it off. Excellent of the son to speak up and follow his intuition as well. I feel devastated for that 19 year old kid. More than likely he had the same concerns, and the father and CEO pressured him into going. Just tragic
When 'Jay said he had a different risk appetite than I do'... That really hit home. There is a massive difference between risk and foolish. Rip to the recently departed.
What's foolish is that CNN is still selling the story that the crew didn't know it imploded on the first day. They knew immediately it had happened. They're keeping this story going for ratings.
There is a mother here that is very grateful for her son's careful risk assessment. He saved his Dad's and his own life. This is a lesson that scientific fact is more powerful that narrative and belief. Well done, family.
So true. On the flip side there is a mother out there who lost both her husband and her son to this horrible choice😞. The lesson here seems to be always trust your gut.
The son is running his mouth. He says he's knew immediately, from looking at it, the thing "couldn't make it to the bottom of the ocean". Besides "the bottom of there ocean" not being any particular depth, the submersible had already successfully visited the Titanic many times in the previous two years. So his supposed reason or "gut feeling" makes no sense. Dad, however, gave a couple of reasons for his skepticism and he did not credit his son for saving the day either.
They were saved partly because the dad has a pilot's license and the experimental plane incident acted as a "trigger" for him to be able to understand the suicide-level risk involved in taking an experimental, uncertified vessel, down to the bottom of the ocean. It's insane to me how the others ignored the risks or were "sold" or whatever, and got into something that looks like it was put together in someone's garage.
Did you notice the cheap looking clear tubes all in the outside of the submersible. If you take a screen shot of it and zoom it in you can really see how cheap things look . Like a middle or high school project .
The way this man talks about Stockton and the situation is very graceful, hes both respectful and understanding, and doesnt badmouth or blame , but also doesn't hide from the truth or sugar coat and asserts the true concerns and facts about his experience and situation too .... Its very refreshing..
I agree.. also what leads me to believe is a big reason why his son was able to have the conversation he did with him that prevented them from being on that sub. I am this way, honest to a fault and sugarcoating anything drives me insane. You can be direct and honest and still get your message across tactully and with respect for someone.. calling someone.down , bad mouthing and demonizing someone in your story... then you become very questionable to me. Honesty doesnt require that at all
@@TheGobblersGetbackno one. That's the very woke culture we must adapt. People now will try to create problems that's not even exist in the first place just to justified they are right.
It's so frustrating to keep hearing "they knew the risks, they signed a waver" about the people who died- can you sign a waver saying you understand the risks when you've been misled!? That company was wildly irresonsible
correct! contracts don’t cover negligence and there’s proof Rush was negligent + the waiver signers weren’t aware of the full scope of risk because information about negligence was kept from them.
Some people just walk in blindly not really comprehending the risks, a kind of 'follow the pack' mentality. Remember the clot shot? And how many followed suit once it had started rolling out?
Waivers may not cover negligence, but at least the company was upfront that the vessel was not certified. They could have issued some Mickey Mouse certificate that made them look certified when they were not.
Props to all the scientists that were trying to put out their word for how unsafe this company was, cause I bet this kid did see their concerns. And that bit of an extra reasearch saved his and his dads life.
Mr Bloom nailed it. The man was so obsessed that he wouldn't listen to any naysayers. James Cameron spoke to this in an interview. Said it irony 'cause that is exactly what happened with the Titanic.
@@chriswise7978 I reckon most passengers just considered the evidence that the submarine had dived to the titanic successfully before (13 round trips before the implosion), and that rush himself went along for the ride, and didn't think that they were qualified enough to assess the engineering to even make trying to look into the sub's safety worth the effort. basically--> 'the people who built it know best, and they're not lying to me because if I die, the CEO dies too.' what they failed to factor in is the oceangate people's delusion/self-deception, and their unusually high willingness to risk their lives, as pointed out in this video.
This CEO Stockton Rush would be the top salesperson at a used car STEALERship selling cars that are LEMONS. He's a snake oil salesman who cause 4 people their lives.🤔
The Titanic wreck and its story was a message for humanity about the dangers of arrogance and overconfidence which led to lots of deaths. It was a warning not to repeat the same mistake and learn from the tragedy. For the CEO to repeat the exact same mistake shows that he didn't actually learn what Titanic was about. The point of the wreck flew way over his head.
God help us from millionaire or billionaire CEOs with huge egos who think they are God's gift to the world and think they know better than anyone else. American capitalist culture is also to blame for elevating these egostical morons to God-like status and creating the myth of the entrepreneur CEO as the drivers of human progress.
It's hard to comprehend that a 20 year old young man could look at the vessel and immediately discern that it was not safe to travel to the bottom of the ocean in it yet the people that worked for the company failed to see it. When you look at the seams of the vessel, it doesn't look like it could withstand the pressure of the ocean bottom. Sad that five more lives were added to the Titanic's terrible history. Glad he and his father father followed their intuition.
Imagine you're trying to paint a room w/o any experience or even the slightest idea how to do it. Your masking is a mess, there's paint on the carpet and the fumes are making you lightheaded... But by GOD you're gonna finish painting that room or die trying. So, you open a window in 110F heat and start scrubbing the carpet... At this point it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that you're about 15 min away from a heat stroke. And that's what happened here - everyone was so focused on the end goal that nobody paid any attention to the red flags.
In addition the employees were not bold enough to go against Rush and voice their concerns! This entire situation could have been avoided dealing with a deranged man.
It's not intuition, it's knowledge. The pressure at the bottom of the ocean at 100 feet can implode the human skull. You're advised not to fly in an airplane and go swimming/diving on the same day for a reason. So saying that you want to take a submarine to 1000 feet plus into the dark, heavy waters, you better produce safety data for all the equipment and authorization for the expedition
This father's comment about how Stockton Rush had a very different "risk appetite," really says everything. It's true that many, many people get off on doing much more risky things in life than the average person: climbing mountains, sky diving, diving with sharks, ice diving....or riding in tiny submersibles to see the ocean floor. And many of these people, because of their risk appetites, are entrepreneurs, and make lots of money simply because they are risk takers with their money (or others' money). But when that mindset crosses into become somewhat of a death wish - "just do it just for the sake of doing it, no matter the cost," and the CEO called those who had safety concerns "baseless cries," then they become nothing more than FOOLS and their endeavors nothing more than folly. This CEO was indeed a fool for losing not only his own life but 4 others as well. Criminal.
and the ironic thing is, he didn't realize the full danger, or if he did, he just brushed it off. His death via implosion happened so fast, it never even registered in his brain what was happening.
I bet the way the CEO blew off this kid’s concerns sounded a lot like the way he read his own waiver and blew it off jokingly. To put your own life in the hands of someone who is so callously laissez faire and reckless with their own life is definitely a red flag 🚩
Rush said about this kid to his dad - Oh, safety concerns? I’ll talk to him I can’t wait to hear what the uninformed think.” This Rush guy sounds like a raging narcissist with a ton of superficial charm, getting all his supply from love bombing people to give him a ton of money to go in his death trap. Once you see it, you can’t unsee it. Just wait, there will be stories coming soon about how he was *not* a nice guy and what his little rages were like.
It’s the arrogance that we witness almost on a daily basis. It’s the same arrogance that fuels a cop to stand on someone’s neck and blow off them saying “I can’t breathe” and bystanders yelling at them to ease up … but they don’t and then stand around looking “matter of fact” when tragedy happens directly because of their actions. The arrogance and pride of mankind. And to think we actually trust man kind and their devices more than God who woke you up this morning. 🫥
The Dad raised his son to think for himself, and ultimately this saved both their lives. A much different story to the other father and son who went on the trip despite his doubts to please his father. An important lesson for us all.
This young man is curious but cautious and pragmatic. He decided not to try this experiment ever again after this disaster. Smart decision. Kudos to father for raising him right.
Yeah, pragmatic is boring. He let his fears talk him out of a lifetime experience of seeing Titanic with his own eyes. You've got to stop being afraid and take risks. Its like Stockton Rush said, this is a risk/reward life. Fear made this father and son back out. Now they have to live the rest of their lives with the regret of chickening out. And they can't change their mind now. OceanGate likely won't be offering this trip to the Titanic again. Should have gone when they had the chance.
Not all men are self absorbed, risk taking macho fools like you women tend to expect of us. Shaming them for backing out had nothing to do with fear, it's called common sense from stupidity. Stockton had an interesting concept, but to largely forego common sense and to take shortcuts that increases one's chances of disaster isn't worth the risk to me especially when such a trip is really a one way ticket when something goes wrong. Did you apply to go on that thing? If no then you have no right to judge.
@@StierenklootYea. No reason to feel bad for a teenager who had his whole in front of him, and really was scared and didn't want to go. But did anyway for his father and paid the ultimate price in such a horrific way. Thats such a nice thought. After all, we're the ones suffering anyway. Being alive sucks right? That's such a unique perspective you have. Never heard that before. You're like a guru of some sort...
What stood out to me was when the son saw the red flags and said his concerns to his dad, he was listened to. He was heard. His opinions matter to his dad. From what i saw on the news and social media, the other young man who was in the sub were there because it's what his dad wants, even if he himself was afraid to get in. The reporter is right, it is an eerie parallel between them, that it's like looking at the personification of what wise and bad decisions look like if they were father and son.
Idk. More like he was desperate and the business was admittedly not making money. He was on with them. If he’d not get in with them then totally just milking suckers [as he sees it]
They are not in that small group of people who 'have that curiosity'. We all have that curiosity. They are in that small group willing and able to pay $250K to see the Titanic wreck and dive that deep. In this case, what a narrow escape! Imagine seeing their faces and thinking it could be yours. Wow. Some story to tell the grandkids. Smart son and smart father for listening to him. So glad you are with us.
I don’t have that curiosity. There are a lot of people who could afford that. There are lots of rich people. Have you never seen shows about super yachts, etc?
So you dont have $250,000 to see the Titanic? Well, how much would you pay if you had money to spend? The son here said seeing the Titanic is his dream, and it still is. He just wants a safer sub.
@@dannyMCDelight At the end of the interview, the son says "it's definitely not something we're ever going to be trying to do again". They were so close to dying, they must be so glad to be alive, I'm pretty sure they would never want to do it even with the safest submarine in the world. As the son says, the ocean is much scarier than space. This is true no matter what kind of submarine you're using.
Very wise and mature young man, great job, dad! Devastating for the father and young son who did go on the ill-fated trip. We now know the victims heard the hull starting to breech as they dropped the weights to ascend, and I can't imagine the fear. Smh. This was 100% preventable!
At that depth, any breach in submersible hull will crush it instantly as per reports. So victims didn't even had time to process the things happening with them once hull failed.
@@HMMELDore 💰 than 🧠 it would seem, but really, ought we to speak ill of the dead? Anyone can become taken with feelings of invincibility, especially the more successful one is.
I noticed that he looked at this father sideways and smiled when the reporter was describing how the vessel imploded. He is happy that his father is alive. Kind and smart kid. EDIT: Some people in the comments are weirdos. You guys need to go out and touch some grass and I recommend getting some professional help.
Culture might play a part into it. “Eastern” culture are less willing to challenge authority figure, and authority figure are less willing to listen to challenges coming from younger generation.
Here's how that conversation go. Son: Dad, I'm scared. I change my mind. Dad: But I paid a quarter of a million $$ for your ticket. Stockton: No refund. Abosolutely not.
No, you're not "literally morning" for this person you didn't know, you complete fool. Shame on you for you despicable comment and for trying to turn this tragedy into a story about yourself.
@@mindsuck3042 Indeed, he was blinded by his passion for the Titanic. Let's not forget the rogue company of the doomed CEO was the only one to offer dives on the wreck. The French former naval officer left his passion cloud his judgment and common sense.
This is terrifying, ALWAYS trust your intuition Especially when people are like “oh you’re just being dramatic, you’ll be fine….” I’m glad this young man was able to bring some LOGIC into his father!
@@lt3880 Thank you so much! Many um..foolish things here. How about bringing logic INTO someone? 😂 And ALWAYS trusting your intuition? I mean, sure, heed your intuition..but trust it? Also, always? I'm just dying laughing..
To me him chasing them to buy tickets, to convince them to go WAS A HUGE RED FLAG!! The experimental plane , the dad had point, he way into very high risks! I also think the dad was probably right about he was hyper focused and did not take anything anyone said to heart. The son had it right and brave enough to say no and tell his dad this is NOT A GOOD IDEA!!
I'm sorry that Rush guy definitely seem a bit insane. If he wanted to go down on this trip he should have took some dummy dolls instead of real people.
@@lateshiachilds3640Very good point, just watch it through a camera, don't go down there, but hey, not to be cruel but the guy got what he deserved, making a tin can, to go down to the depths of the ocean, ignoring all the warnings.
Yes, that's the first I've heard of that and it is VERY disturbing. The father interviewed here is far more gracious in his depiction of Rush than I could have been.
"The ocean is much scarier than space". Very intelligent young man. There are certain risks that shouldn't be taken into consideration simply because it's dangerous and potentially deadly. I'm sure the father is proud of his son for saving both of their lives with his refusal to join the others on the Titan submersible. My heartfelt condolences goes out to the families of the deceased individuals.
I'm not a space guy, but I did study engineering in college. The fact is, if the International Space Station, or a space shuttle springs a leak, the vacuum of space is only 1 atmosphere less than the surface of the Earth. It's not enough of a pressure difference to cause an explosion. It would lose air, but my hunch is that they are prepared to plug the hole and then repair the damage quickly. In a submarine, even one that isn't meant to go quite as deep as the Titanic, the pressure difference adds up much faster. Several military subs have collapsed at only a fraction of the depth of the Titan, and there's no chance of survival for those on board. If the hull gets breached, it's like popping a balloon. The vessel gets torn and crushes in on itself. For the Titan, way down at the bottom, the pressure is so great that the walls might as well have been made of TNT once they gave out. I doubt there are even bodies left behind that could be recovered.
That is a very sound-minded and thoughtful 20 year-old who also wasn’t afraid to share concerns. His dad then listened. The C/O was doing the hard sell approach. That actually says a lot about his character. Passion is a great thing to have, however, when you allow it to overtake your willingness to hear concerns and take them under advisement and instead take it personally, passion becomes very problematic.
It is also tragic that the young man who died with his dad on this fatal trip was also very reluctant. He expressed this to his friends and his aunt. In the end he went, just to please his father.
i just saw an interview with the mom and she said that she was the one who was supposed to go but her son wanted to. She said he was super excited like a little kid
I feel sorry for the 19 year old who was scared of going but did it for his dad. Listen to your kids when they're uncomfortable about something, it's not their job to capitulate to you about everything.
Shawn is a very smart young man. Well done for him for asking questions and speaking up about his concerns. Props to Dad for listening to his son and taking him seriously.
Smart & talented. To have both your private pilot’s & helicopter licenses at age 20, is noteworthy. Flying a helicopter is not easy. Both are expensive sports.
@@David-nb8kqSame with me and I’m 31. But fuck ‘em. If they want to die instead of listening to me then fuck ‘em. I’m on the will. Their fault. I’m always right
I disagree. Had the Titan not imploded how dejected do you think they would have felt? The father and son would have had a strained relationship so I don't think they made the right decision. It's like Stockton Rush said, you need to take risks. This is a risk/reward life.They gave up a chance to see the Titanic with their own eyes because some weird safety concerns? Hope it was worth it.
@@beckydoesit9331sounds like you are unable to make a decision of your own and are easily led by others. Risk/reward is a ratio that each individual has to satisfy themselves with. This kid made the right choice whether that sub imploded or not. You're suggesting the failure rate of this craft is worth seeing a grave site through a tiny porthole. Anyone with an ounce of sense would know it was going to end badly one day, and even in hindsight, you're arguing the chance of a successful mission is worth an extremely likely chance of catastrophic failure? I participate in a form of motorsport that most people wouldn't even try, i know what i do is dangerous, but inform myself as best as possible with the risks to evaluate whether it is worth it. Some people think I'm crazy but I wont tell others its right for them if they dont share my view.
The 19 year old that died on the Titan also was terrified & didn't want to go, he told his Aunt, his Dad's Sister that he was scared but his Dad kept after him until he caved in. I can't imagine how the Aunt now feels. I bet she wished she could have somehow not let him go. She will be tormented forever by this.
'Stockton had a different risk appetite than i had' is a great way to put it! It helps you understand others and to not be pressured into situations you're not comfortable with.
This is why critical thinking is SO important. Doesn’t matter if it’s a $150000 trip or their claims, what matters is your judgement and most importantly always being informed. It will make you stand out from the rest.
These two dodged a major bullet. When you feel something isn’t right trust your gut I feel so bad for the families who lost loved ones it a real tragedy they have to deal with this my heart go out to them
Oh stop - most people have sense and wouldn’t risk their lives . Don’t make it sound like a refreshing rare exception . The folks who take these adventures are a rare breed . They have the means and nerves to do these things . It’s their choice . I take issue with all the lives put at risk in the search and rescue mission . That aspect needs to be better thought through .
It must be a jarring experience to realize how close you were to being obliterated in an implosion. I hope these two thoughtful people get to go on a different adventure together.
Straight up he said the first day he knew it imploded because soon as he seen the submarine he probably said oh this man has lost his mind, dad it’s no chance we’ll survive.
The father mentioned reasons for his own skepticism and, if you notice, did not credit his son for saving him. His son, however, claimed he just knew by looking at it, the submersible "couldn't make it to the bottom of the ocean" despite the fact that it had already successfully done that dive many times in two years of operation. The kid was running his mouth.
@@RuthlessHeathen I do. Lazy liars in general. The son and his mate were afraid of nemo, if you saw the txts. Even the dad thought he was 'stupid'. Kids just wants his dad alive so he can leech off him. And that's one decent leech.
I feel bad most for the 19 year old. As a 24 year old who never saw eye to eye with my dad I can definitely imagine taking the risk of going to bond and try to see things from his side. My dad wouldn’t go on roller coasters, let alone a submarine but still.
Parental pressure is a thing well into adulthood. I know my personal experience. You can be over 50 years old and still be swayed by your elderly parents’ opinions, right or wrong. I feel for that 19 year old because he must have felt so pressured to do this, to please his father. How many have made wrong decisions because their parents forced them into it?
Trigger warning: sexual assault . . I myself learned at 20 years old (in 1988) about the critical importance of intuition. At that age, my friend and I accepted a ride home from someone we had just met earlier that evening, and when he dropped my friend off at her house (only a couple blocks from mine), a voice in my head said “get out of the car now and walk home.” But I made a split-second decision to ignore that voice. He ended up driving me to a very remote area and verbally terrorizing me for a long while before raping me. I also became pregnant from that rape and needed an abortion. Absolutely traumatizing. I was able to prosecute and he was sentenced to prison (not long enough). But I’ve never forgotten the lesson about a) not accepting rides from essentially strangers, and b) listening to my intuition.
Sorry that happened to you…not your fault. We learn the realities of the world at different points throughout our lives. At least you have the insight and acknowledgement of your own intuition enough now to share your story and save others lives by sharing it. Kudos to you. Hope you are okay.
I went through a similar situation, I too became pregnant, from the rape and assault , he went too prison for 3 years...I was at the wrong place at the wrong time....with my so called friends.I almost died that night. Listen to your gut instinct! I hope you have found a good amount of peace in your life...and this terrible experience has not been a burden to you.🌹❤️
@@michellekrueger5122 I’m so sorry you went through it too. I also thought I was going to die that night. My attacker received a 6 year sentence - but who knows if he served all of it. I’m OK now. I hope you are too.
Well done. Some of my best decisions in life were a simple "no", or "no, thanks". You need to know when to decline an offer. Don't say "yes", when it just does not feel right. A simple "no" can save you from a lot of trouble.
No one knows this like me... It's safer than scuba diving and flying in a helicopter (to a helicopter pilot), No risk, stay in bed... Stupid stuff (like safety) and I will fly over to convince/bully u into taking this excursion!!! How much does a person NEED to 'simply' say "no"??? MAN😮
A healthy sense of intuition, backed up with solid facts. A father and son who obviously love, respect, and listen to each other. I wish that the father and son who perished on the Titan had followed their example. (That poor young man was "terrified" and didn't want to go, but went anyway, to bond with his dad.) It's never wise to override one's "internal warning system" -- even to please someone we love. Far better to use that inner instinct as a springboard to research the facts -- and maybe save the ones we love! I'll bet these two are bonded for life through this experience.
Man this interveiw is pointless to say it cant make it to the bottom of ocean is crap it made it like ove 20 times… do you know how many planes and space ships crashed before they successful offered commercial flights and people went to space… come on all this back peddling now i crazy….. casualties of experimentation…. RIP
@Lexxus 1986 In developing new technology, there's a huge difference between the experimental phase and the commercial phase when it is approved for paying passengers. During the developmental stage, test pilots are used, who are skilled, trained, fully aware of the risks, and well paid to take those risks and uncover any flaws before the new technology is marketed to the unsuspecting public. Even after this, there are tight (and expensive) ongoing MANDATORY controls on equipment to check for structural integrity, damage from material fatigue, to detect microscopic stress fractures resulting from pressure, age, and wear and tear, and to retire equipment before it poses a risk. That is why each commercial transportation industry has one or more regulatory boards policing it. That was lacking in this case. The needed advice by experts was given, but it was ignored and dismissed because it had no enforcement authority. The company running this lethal tourist trap was using untrained members of the public as test pilots and charging them huge sums of money rather than paying them. The young man who did the research and warned his father did what a regulatory board should have done and thereby saved two lives. I hope that this incident will lead to mandatory oversight by knowledgeable experts in every commercial form of transport, including adventure tourism. Until then, let the buyer beware -- and learn from the wise example of these two survivors!
@texasbella No offense taken; I agree with you that cultural norms are definitely a factor -- but a factor that must be overcome, not accepted. Wherever mindless, passive, unconditional submission to human authority is the norm, it leads to needless suffering and death. That mindset is also the seedbed for radicalization and terrorism, where people are taught that it is their duty and their highest good to kill themselves and others under orders from their leaders. However, this cultural mindset can be overcome, and it does not have to take forever. Consider the transformation within one generation in Japan following World War II -- from a suicidal cult of fanatical emperor worship to a free, democratic country that respects the individual rights of its citizens and defends human rights among its neighbors. It can be done. In no way do I blame the son who died. I'm deeply sad for him and hope that others will learn from the examples of both fathers and sons what to do and what to avoid, and how to overcome unhealthy cultural norms. As a Christian, I find that in the Bible definite limits are set to human authority and to the obedience required of those under authority. Authority is a gift and a trust from God. Where it is misused contrary to His laws of wisdom and love, those under God's authority have the freedom (and at times even the duty) to say, as Christ's early apostles did, "We must obey God rather than men" (Acts 5:29).
@texasbella P.S. Even in an authoritarian culture, solid facts and sound reasoning can win a hearing when presented in a gracious and respectful manner. I look to Joseph and Daniel in the Bible as examples (Genesis 37-50 and Daniel 1-6). Both were captive slaves in a foreign country who rose to positions of great power and influence without even once compromising their own convictions or yielding to unjust demands. They knew how to stand firm while showing respect to those over them because they sought to please God above everyone else (including themselves).
His father is a true gentleman. While many of us are focused on being judgmental to the CEO's blind ambition, he was empathetic. It's not easy to become that type of good natured person.
He's on TV, he's gotta be good natured. I bet you all my money anyone here berating on the kid for being fat or being salty about their wealth would talk the same way. The newcasters would also make sure everything they would say is curated first before going live. Don't be so naive.
@@CK-lt6jl Don’t be so jaded. Yes, all media interviews have rehearsals. But neither of them had to answer exactly like they did. Look at the staged “town hall” CNN did with Trump a month ago. He certainly did not follow the rehearsal/practice.
The dad is likely a wealthy business man. Going on TV to trash a man whose death is so recent would be a bad look. I thought the father releasing the text conversations out to the public during the search for the sub was in poor taste.
"He has more of a risk appetite than I do." And that his passion caused some blindness (confirmation bias.) Absolutely great gut instinct, which saved his and his very practical son's lives.
Adventures comes with risks. This father have rasied a son who is a critical thinker who got him self and his father out of leathal danger. What a fathers day gift. RIP to those who lost their lifes.
@@roywhiteo5 it doesn’t make a difference. The ballast would have been adjusted accordingly. You feel better about yourself for fat-shaming this young man?
Stockton rush was worth 25 million which is still alot but nowhere near a billionaire but i think he was desperate to be as rich as the customers he took down to the titanic.
@@dmun8508 yes,true. His anxiety about selling tickets to this guy to the point of slashing the price and flying to him in Vegas does make him look desperate and insecure. Damn smart to tell him hell no. He should should be paying the passengers the $250k to take the gamble of getting into that sub with him, not the other way around. Impulsive, sensation seeking and grandiose.
I'd like to know what background this 20 year old had to "know this submarine couldn't make it to the bottom of the ocean", that it wasn't structurally integral. If it's true, I'm impressed. But didn't the Titan have several successful trips under its belt? I wouldn't have thought to question its structural integrity.
"He has a different risk appetite than i do" That is something that i completely understand. My life is beyond valuable and i do not take risks with it. I know death can come anytime,car crash,smoking cigs,accidents but i dont feel the need to put my life in danger just to see the Titanic. I respect that CEO's outlook but its not for me and alot of people. Like skydiving why the hell would i want to do something like that? Its unfortunate that the other victims joined this journey and was misled though this submersible was used before, i believe. I guess they had that appetite for risk and probably didnt know how risky it really was. The CEO did have faith in this sub or else he would of never let it go or been on it so i guess accidents and mistakes do happen in life but im not trying to test death.
Trust your instincts. A lot of times its just a fear of the unknown and probably wont cause any issue, but you know when something's not right. Its a very strong feeling.
@cat888Intuition can come in many forms...a hunch, a thought, a feeling, anxiety, fear. Your intuition isn't interested in the how. It will use whatever means necessary (including fear) to get the information to the conscious level. Don't always discount fear or anxiety. If someone is constantly fearful, then that could just be an anxiety disorder. If you've almost never had a feeling of anxiety about doing something (especially a routine activity) and then suddenly out of the blue you start feeling anxious about doing it, then that could be intuition.
Who in their right mind would pay 250,000 dollar to take a trip to the titanic in a submersible not even being approved to do this kind of trips by the proper authorities?
The part I love the best was how "he knew from a youtube video it will not make it down". Spoiler alert, he is as lazy with his lying as he is with his diet.
@@blaze6945 How dare you question the DOTCONNECTOR! He's much wiser than you or me, it's right there in the name! He has the ability to connect the dots. He sees all😂
It really got me when the dad said what he told Stockton didn’t “fit his narrative.” So many people today have their own narrative. I’ve heard people saying “my truth” or ‘my facts” but this tragedy should prove that the truth doesn’t give any ducks about your narrative, your truth, or your feelings. The truth is the truth, and that’s that.
When “your truth” turns out to be wrong, then it’s called delusion. There’s a lot of delusional people out there. Thankfully this very intelligent duo listened to their intuition and researched just what they were getting themselves into.
I'm so curious to know more about the son here. At most, any concerns I myself would've had about the structural integrity of the submersible would be of a shot-in-the-dark common sense variety. I get the impression his opposition was much more specific and formed in response to whatever he was seeing (or not seeing) rather than just broad skepticism. That's super impressive at his age, and for his dad to have heeded those warnings is a true testament to the love and respect he feels toward him. I can imagine so many parents brushing off their 20 year old's input as uninformed.
It's nice to meet this father and son and to see the intelligence of these two. As people, you have to know that there are different people who walk among us. This CEO was a crazy risk-taker and had no problem being a guinea pig on his own experimental projects. He was hoping to find others who were just like him and apparently, he did. You just can't rely on other people because their risk tolerance may be different than yours. You have to have common sense. There was no way I'd get on that submersible. These folks who died, It goes to show that you can be smart but have no common sense.
It was more so the CEO was hoping to rope ignorant and gullible people in to fund his reckless experimental project rather than hoping to find people who were just like him. They thought they were safe because Stockton was charismatic, confident and persuasive. Yeah, they should've done their research, but I think they ultimately victim to Stockon's bullshit scheme.
Any plane you build yourself (even if it's a proven design) is considered "experimental". And I believe that it has to pass inspections anyway. This sub was never certified by anyone else.
One of the greatest gifts in life is to be able to detect narcissists around you, even the subtle ones. They always put their interests above yours and will go to great lengths to advance theirs, even if it devastates yours.
@@heyitsme881hat’s with the eyerolls?? Everyone can see that Stockton Rush was a classic, textbook narcissist with grandiose tendencies, and his sub did not conform to industry-standard safety protocols. Many narcissists have a talent for persuasion and manipulation (that’s why they tend to do well in sales and entrepreneurship).
Wait a minute. Not only he build an experimental sub but also an experimental plane? Is it even legal and safe to fly that? Remember how the sub failed the safety test and him ignoring all the warnings? What's to say if the plane is in the same scenario? 5:44 you can even see the son chuckle at how ridiculous Rush's ambition was. Props to the father, son and his friend. Not only they're rich, they're smart, have common sense, done their research and knew the sub was a huge red flag.
It is ridiculous 😂, this man Rush was insane. I would have laughed in Rush face if he said he came down in a two seater helicopter and then wanted me to go in a tin can under water.
Thankfully the dad was a pilot and knew enough about aircraft to see how sketchy this was. I’m a diver and understand the very very basics of atmospheres of pressure from my training, and it’s astonishing to me that a rover can withstand that much pressure, much less a submersible with people in it. This isn’t a normal depth. This is 400x the pressure on land. Stockton decided to use carbon fiber instead of titanium (a stronger material). Imagine putting passengers on an airplane made out of recycled soda cans. It might work a couple of times, but it won’t last. It’s not strong enough for that! It would fall apart under stress. That’s why other people in the industry were not on board with this experiment.
Very wise decision, you listened to gut instincts and saw the red flags. I can't imagine how you must have felt when you heard the news. So sad for those lost but so glad you made the right decision
Actually the vessel had already been down to the bottom more than once. But what obviously wasn't happening was post-voyage integrity testing. And this was one trip too many. Either way one looks at it, Rush's ego and greed cost him and his customers their lives.
It’s amazing how many people pulled out at the last minute and it’s amazing how many people have safety concerns that they never put in the public are you doing?
If they had put it in the public, the ceo of oceangate would have taken legal action for slander. Hence why everyone is now speaking out because it's not longer a opinion that the sub was dangerous, it's now sadly a fact.
@@Mistical1982 You missed the point. Plenty of people opted out _specifically because of safety concerns._ The price was not even the issue. They would not have gone on this thing for free.
“We know more about space than we know about the ocean!” 🌊 That was a wise word right there! This young man is intuitive and intelligent enough not to take them chances
This story is a good reminder that people in high positions of power with deluded egos, who ignore warnings from safety experts, etc... not only shouldn't be in power but also put people in danger. Sometimes lots of people such as in the medical field, politics, airline companies, engineering firms, etc...
"He has a different risk-appetite than I do." Well said. I smell 'evil'. Arrogant guy gambled with the lives of others; lead them to their deaths. Beware of ppl who engage in reckless behavior like this. They're never satisfied until they have endangered the lives of others. This smells so much like the 1970's Jim Jones massacre. A suicidal person setting up others to die with him. It's common to find this type among managers. They ignore your concerns about dangerous working conditions. Then someone gets hurt.
I have a son. I would never even consider taking him on an excursion where you have to sign a waiver that mentions death three times while alluding to the vessel's experimental nature. I feel very sorry for all the passengers, but what the hell was that Pakistani billionaire thinking?
Waivers are there even when you go skydiving. But yeah I agree with you. I can't imagine how such rich people didn't have their own team of experts to take a look at the sub and give their feedback. These people have "guys" for everything.
Exactly what i have also been thinking!!! Why go with your son? Why not go alone?? I can onlynimagine that the fact that the CEO himself was joining was probably why they agreed to this. But as a parent i would never agree to something like this...which is why i think its crucial to raise kids to be more independent and less concerned with pleasing others at their own expense
That father's kid got me when he laughed at @5:55 about Rush going to his experimental 2 seater aircraft when his real intention is to pitch him on his 5 seater experimental sub. 😂
The son questioned the build, the father questioned the attitude, and together they made a very wise decision.
Oh they made a wise decision alright
@@jasontomica8938 listen they chicken out their loss. Oceangate are now looking for BRAVE tourist for 2024 space mission. Ticket on sale now
@@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24😂😂😂
@@youssefhamidi8152 We're even upgrading to GENUINE PlayStation 5 controller for oceangate moon landing.
Maybe jumping into an over size unregulated coke can controlled from a Nintendo and built by a greedy billionaire conman wasn’t the best idea.
I like how the father said “Rush had a different risk appetite than I did”. That’s a good line to share with kids when they feel peer pressure… don’t give in… the others may have a different risk appetite than you do.
Yes. And I’m sure he phrased it diplomatically like that so as not to hurt the grieving families.
@@calisongbird It was nice to hear him speak that way. We should treat all people with respect.
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They look like they both know a lot about having an appetite.
Stockton Rush was no different from CEOs of aircraft and vehicle manufacturers who were aware of and ignored flaws in their products that eventually led to deaths of thousands. I'm surprised why these CEOs were not as condemned and vilified as Stockton Rush. At least he paid for his hubris and arrogance with his life while the CEOs received generous pay.
This father should be incredibly proud of his son. He’s a literal lifesaver.
@@BraddahDaIzLives What is wrong with you?
He was too big to go on the trip. His dad said "weekly buffet saved our lives, getting us cancelled!"
@@BraddahDaIzLives Looks like father and son chubbies both riding a foot long sub four times a day. Probably we will learn they were too large for the ride unless they each bought 2 tickets for the $150k. So $600k, and 4 total riders.
Clearly he doesn’t fit… and also idk why people act like we don’t die. We all die. 😒😒
@@InstantOnyx theres a lot of fat young people, not a lot of fat old people, cause they dead, why is warning about the dangers of heart disease a bad thing
Wow. What a smart son! That’s incredible that he was able to save his and his dad’s life.
But the other son didn’t 💔
God save them from the plan of the wicked evil one call the devil.
@@dominiquexo4772 One dad pamper son, and son do the study.... the other son filial to dad wishes, but dad dint do any study... pamper your child saves your life.
@@神-n6b child or adult?
Blinded by passion
This is how a father and son relationship should be …you raise them to be smart, you listen to their wisdom and don’t pressure them into doing something they’re not comfortable with
I feel bad for the kid that died for exactly this statement. Well said!
We do not know the details of their conversation or relationship. No parent can't say they have never encouraged, insisted, persuaded a child to participate in something they other wise would not have done so out of their own accord. Stop being so judgmental!!
@@mrfantastik8168 I saw an interview with his Aunt. She said her nephew never felt right about the trip and really did not want to go but did it for his father and her only solace is that he did not suffer.
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@hfleah I understand the boy did not want to go. I insist, stop being judgemental. You think the Father Paid $250,000 for his child's ticket , because he wad a bad Father? Perhaps the boy told that to the Mother and not to his Dad. We don't know the details of the Son and Dad's conversation. Accidents can happen even on a drive to drop off your child to school. Stop judging, that is my point!
The son is very well spoken and had the wisdom to ask questions. Hats off to the dad for raising such a nice boy.
Right on. You should be commended for raising such an astute young man. Honestly I was a bit bull headed when my son was 19. I was Momma and 39. I applaud you for listening and God bless his instincts. Glad your both still here.
That’s not a boy , That’s a bear 🐻
I was thinking at 19/20 i was so stubborn lol Good on this young man to do the research. Happy for them both to be alive. Such a unnecessary tragedy..
exactly my thoughts
@@JR-ld1etthat's Sam from Game of Thrones.
“So passionate about the project that he was blinded by it; he didn’t see things that were problematic because it didn’t fit his narrative”. That sir, is the whole thing in a nutshell. And how few people today are as wise as this man and his son!!
Ironically, it was this exact attitude from the captain of the titanic, that sunk it in the first place.
Hate to make this political, but that sounds like mainstream media in a nutshell.
In short: HURIS
@@IAmThe_RAyou mean hubris?
@@luns486.......What an utterly ridiculous comment! RMS Titanic was built by the largest and most renowned shipbuilders on the planet - Harland & Wolff - and owned and operated by one of the world's most prominent shipping companies - Britain's White Star Line - who were in turn owned by the world's richest man at that time, JP Morgan.
In charge of the Titanic on her maiden voyage was White Star's most senior and experienced captain and the company's commodore - Captain Edward Smith. Also onboard Titanic for her fateful first voyage was White Star's Chairman J Bruce Ismay who famously stated that the Titanic was the 'world's largest movable object ever fashioned by the hands of man'
At a cost of US$7.5m [US$166m in todays' money] in 1909, Titanic was a state-of-the-art, ultra-luxurious liner that included ground-breaking safety features never before seen on passenger ships - such as a double-hull, watertight compartments, automatically operated bulkhead doors and provision for over sixty lifeboats - although these were later reduced to conform with British Board of Trade requirements.
It is also an established fact that at no point did White Star, Ismay, Thomas Andrews [White Star's chief architect and designer of Titanic] Captain Smith or anyone else related to the ship ever claim that the Titanic was 'unsinkable'. [this infamous quote was invented and bestowed on the Titanic by the newspapers and typically sensationalist journalists of the day.
The 'Titan' was a mickey mouse vessel, cobbled together by using a plethora of second-hand and spare parts and designed and built on behalf of a highly dubious and clearly delusional American businessman [Stockton Rush]. It had no regulatory marine or engineering certification and for all and intense purpose was only intended as a toy to take obscenely rich people on a jolly to what is in effect a grave for over fifteen hundred poor souls.
There is absolutely no comparison between the two vessels or of the hard-selling Mr Rush and those involved with Titanic.
This father is super adorable to me! He sounds completely genuine and well rounded. Happy this family was spared.
I totally agree. Thanks for voicing that. I felt the same way too
Gold digger loool.
If that were a homeless man if the same personality u wouldn’t give a shit about him lmaooo women are whack af
They are both fairly well rounded 😂 🫃🫄
The way the son looks over and waits for the dad to initiate the opening conversation subtly shows a humbling respect for his dad. Neither of them interrupting each other. And also honoring each other’s intuition , was literally life saving. They have a very respectable and healthy relationship. I enjoyed their honesty here. Very happy they declined.
No…he is just a beta male
Great explanation.
Appreciate you sharing your insight.
I was actually thinking the same wondering who was going to take control of the conversation!
I hope their reactions were not rehearsed
The question was posed to the father ...
The fact the CEO flew to pressure and convince them is wild. Good on the father for heeding and listening to his son’s concerns and not blowing it off. Excellent of the son to speak up and follow his intuition as well. I feel devastated for that 19 year old kid. More than likely he had the same concerns, and the father and CEO pressured him into going. Just tragic
That’s sales for ya.
The son is incredibly intelligent AND has so much common sense. He saved his life and his father's as well.
The 19yr old DID have same fear. But he didnt follow his intuition plus he said he wanted to do it for his dad since it was father’s day
flew to pressure and convince them?
It's such an absurd premise he had to convince every seat unless they're as out of touch of him, it was never sustainable in the first place
Smart young man. He wasn't in denial, accepted REALITY, made an informed, mature decision and is alive to talk about it.
And celebrated his decision with two large pizzas and half a gallon of ice cream straight from the tub.
He just cheated certain death. What do you think he must feel after hearing the sub imploded.
I wish the other duo had also this bit of #CommonSense left....😮💨
@@Thomas-fk3cwEverything some of yall took from this video was "HES FAT"
@@jonfreeman9682 He's already cheated death once. How will he fare against his next life and death challenge.... OBESITY!
When 'Jay said he had a different risk appetite than I do'... That really hit home. There is a massive difference between risk and foolish. Rip to the recently departed.
What's foolish is that CNN is still selling the story that the crew didn't know it imploded on the first day. They knew immediately it had happened. They're keeping this story going for ratings.
And dad and son clearly have a large appetite so that’s impactful lol
Àmen I agree
Look up Jay Bloom. He's a fraudster and broke.
Smart kid and even smarter father for listening to his son. Has to be the strangest feeling now knowing you were that close to no longer being alive
Dad didn't have risk appetite.
He’s not a kid
@@wearenottogetheranymore2658 20 is still young
@@wearenottogetheranymore2658tell a mother that
@@jonfreeman9682your point?
There is a mother here that is very grateful for her son's careful risk assessment. He saved his Dad's and his own life. This is a lesson that scientific fact is more powerful that narrative and belief. Well done, family.
The son was a better "risk manager" than Stockton as it turns out.
yes... the world today is so quick to dismiss science whenever it happens to conflict with their desires.
So true. On the flip side there is a mother out there who lost both her husband and her son to this horrible choice😞. The lesson here seems to be always trust your gut.
The son is running his mouth. He says he's knew immediately, from looking at it, the thing "couldn't make it to the bottom of the ocean". Besides "the bottom of there ocean" not being any particular depth, the submersible had already successfully visited the Titanic many times in the previous two years. So his supposed reason or "gut feeling" makes no sense.
Dad, however, gave a couple of reasons for his skepticism and he did not credit his son for saving the day either.
Bro was tryna predict the future of what already happened, he didn't know "immediately" that it imploded. Big head on a big body is all I see here.
I’m glad this young man got his father to listen to him. I bet he’s more proud of his son now than he’ll ever be. His son saved their lives.
If only the father on the Titan had listened to his son’s concerns….
@@mikexlr8Sons smarter then dads?
@@mikexlr8 He didn't tell his father his concerns, he only told his autnie. Perhaps he was scared of telling his Dad.
Kudos to dad for respecting his son's opinion and foresight.
Absolutely!
Unlike the one who took his son with him.
Nope. They couldn't afford it. Jay Bloom is a fraudster.
They were saved partly because the dad has a pilot's license and the experimental plane incident acted as a "trigger" for him to be able to understand the suicide-level risk involved in taking an experimental, uncertified vessel, down to the bottom of the ocean. It's insane to me how the others ignored the risks or were "sold" or whatever, and got into something that looks like it was put together in someone's garage.
Right. No one is mentioning that part
“Pass me the PlayStation controller…”
From under the sea as deep as Titanic
Did you notice the cheap looking clear tubes all in the outside of the submersible. If you take a screen shot of it and zoom it in you can really see how cheap things look .
Like a middle or high school project .
@aquamanGR, It's my understanding that people are charged 20K per trip, per person. That is completely ludicrous.
@@Wyonative08 250K per trip!
Smart son! Saved both their lives! You gave him life dad but he saved you!
Its incredible. They'll have a few more years together and cherish it more.
Smart son bragging about something he didn't do.
@nessunodorme3888 His primary concern was there wasn't a drive-thru McDonalds halfway down to the Titanic. Told his Dad, "I'm out".
They saved each other by discussing their concerns, and red flags were everywhere.
@@Thomas-fk3cwBro 😂
The way this man talks about Stockton and the situation is very graceful, hes both respectful and understanding, and doesnt badmouth or blame , but also doesn't hide from the truth or sugar coat and asserts the true concerns and facts about his experience and situation too .... Its very refreshing..
Yeah it's how I am completely but everyone takes advantage of me because of it that's how I deal with everything but people harass me constantly
Agreed
I agree.. also what leads me to believe is a big reason why his son was able to have the conversation he did with him that prevented them from being on that sub. I am this way, honest to a fault and sugarcoating anything drives me insane. You can be direct and honest and still get your message across tactully and with respect for someone.. calling someone.down , bad mouthing and demonizing someone in your story... then you become very questionable to me. Honesty doesnt require that at all
Yes my thoughts exactly.. great interview..
@@AlabamaTchill
This interview had sadness, wisdom, intelligence, and awareness all wrapped up in one….God bless all of the people and families involved.
They were not gleeful about the death of those who took their seats; they're relieved that their intuition was frightfully right, after all!
@@mudiagaoneil1384 Who said they were “gleeful”?….🤔🤔🤔
@@TheGobblersGetbackno one. That's the very woke culture we must adapt. People now will try to create problems that's not even exist in the first place just to justified they are right.
Amen.
@@zios870 So true my man….Such a weird time….😕
“He has a different risk appetite than me” amazing reasoning from the father
Right ?! I'm de going to use that one for now on lol
I think it was intentionally diplomatic language to avoid upsetting the newly grieving families. Class move.
And whyyyy! Heck rent the movie! 🎥🍿
His son has a different appetite than everyone involved in this video
@@turkey4957you shut up 😡😡😡
It's so frustrating to keep hearing "they knew the risks, they signed a waver" about the people who died- can you sign a waver saying you understand the risks when you've been misled!? That company was wildly irresonsible
Exactly!!!
correct! contracts don’t cover negligence and there’s proof Rush was negligent + the waiver signers weren’t aware of the full scope of risk because information about negligence was kept from them.
Some people just walk in blindly not really comprehending the risks, a kind of 'follow the pack' mentality.
Remember the clot shot?
And how many followed suit once it had started rolling out?
Who is these “people” you speak of? The vast majority of us understand waivers don’t cover negligence.
Waivers may not cover negligence, but at least the company was upfront that the vessel was not certified. They could have issued some Mickey Mouse certificate that made them look certified when they were not.
Props to all the scientists that were trying to put out their word for how unsafe this company was, cause I bet this kid did see their concerns. And that bit of an extra reasearch saved his and his dads life.
Why would anyone knowingly taking a ill-equipped vehicle down that deep? Suicidal
@@chriswise7978denial
Mr Bloom nailed it. The man was so obsessed that he wouldn't listen to any naysayers.
James Cameron spoke to this in an interview. Said it irony 'cause that is exactly what happened with the Titanic.
@@chriswise7978 I reckon most passengers just considered the evidence that the submarine had dived to the titanic successfully before (13 round trips before the implosion), and that rush himself went along for the ride, and didn't think that they were qualified enough to assess the engineering to even make trying to look into the sub's safety worth the effort. basically--> 'the people who built it know best, and they're not lying to me because if I die, the CEO dies too.' what they failed to factor in is the oceangate people's delusion/self-deception, and their unusually high willingness to risk their lives, as pointed out in this video.
This CEO Stockton Rush would be the top salesperson at a used car STEALERship selling cars that are LEMONS. He's a snake oil salesman who cause 4 people their lives.🤔
The son is a blessing to his father. He literally saved his life.
Smart dad, listened to his son.
A foolish dad saved by his Smart SON
FOR SURE. 👍
Clearly have a healthier relationship than the other father and son
❤🔥
Sadly the 19 year old that died was also terrified to go down there...
Father of the Year, he communicates, listens and reasons reasonably with his son. He brought him up well
He'd be better if he took his shirt off. See some of that ole man chest hair. Gray maybe.
😊
The Titanic wreck and its story was a message for humanity about the dangers of arrogance and overconfidence which led to lots of deaths. It was a warning not to repeat the same mistake and learn from the tragedy. For the CEO to repeat the exact same mistake shows that he didn't actually learn what Titanic was about. The point of the wreck flew way over his head.
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@@WeBeatMedicare6969🤬 you 🤡
You’ve made an excellent point.
God help us from millionaire or billionaire CEOs with huge egos who think they are God's gift to the world and think they know better than anyone else. American capitalist culture is also to blame for elevating these egostical morons to God-like status and creating the myth of the entrepreneur CEO as the drivers of human progress.
Narcissistic head at that 🙈
It's hard to comprehend that a 20 year old young man could look at the vessel and immediately discern that it was not safe to travel to the bottom of the ocean in it yet the people that worked for the company failed to see it. When you look at the seams of the vessel, it doesn't look like it could withstand the pressure of the ocean bottom. Sad that five more lives were added to the Titanic's terrible history. Glad he and his father father followed their intuition.
Imagine you're trying to paint a room w/o any experience or even the slightest idea how to do it. Your masking is a mess, there's paint on the carpet and the fumes are making you lightheaded... But by GOD you're gonna finish painting that room or die trying. So, you open a window in 110F heat and start scrubbing the carpet...
At this point it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that you're about 15 min away from a heat stroke.
And that's what happened here - everyone was so focused on the end goal that nobody paid any attention to the red flags.
In addition the employees were not bold enough to go against Rush and voice their concerns! This entire situation could have been avoided dealing with a deranged man.
@@Heaven_2Uat least one employee did voice his concern and was fired
It's not intuition, it's knowledge. The pressure at the bottom of the ocean at 100 feet can implode the human skull. You're advised not to fly in an airplane and go swimming/diving on the same day for a reason.
So saying that you want to take a submarine to 1000 feet plus into the dark, heavy waters, you better produce safety data for all the equipment and authorization for the expedition
@@Marina-em3cr really?! He was?!
This father's comment about how Stockton Rush had a very different "risk appetite," really says everything. It's true that many, many people get off on doing much more risky things in life than the average person: climbing mountains, sky diving, diving with sharks, ice diving....or riding in tiny submersibles to see the ocean floor. And many of these people, because of their risk appetites, are entrepreneurs, and make lots of money simply because they are risk takers with their money (or others' money). But when that mindset crosses into become somewhat of a death wish - "just do it just for the sake of doing it, no matter the cost," and the CEO called those who had safety concerns "baseless cries," then they become nothing more than FOOLS and their endeavors nothing more than folly. This CEO was indeed a fool for losing not only his own life but 4 others as well. Criminal.
I think we will find out Rush was a grifter. Not speaking bad of the dead.
Ego played a part in this as well.
and the ironic thing is, he didn't realize the full danger, or if he did, he just brushed it off. His death via implosion happened so fast, it never even registered in his brain what was happening.
@@geebrewer8186They dropped the weights to surface. They knew what was coming as the hull gave them some kind of warning. Must have been terrifying.
I agree with you 100%
I bet the way the CEO blew off this kid’s concerns sounded a lot like the way he read his own waiver and blew it off jokingly. To put your own life in the hands of someone who is so callously laissez faire and reckless with their own life is definitely a red flag 🚩
Ceo was mentally unwell he should have been mental hospital
Rush said about this kid to his dad - Oh, safety concerns? I’ll talk to him I can’t wait to hear what the uninformed think.”
This Rush guy sounds like a raging narcissist with a ton of superficial charm, getting all his supply from love bombing people to give him a ton of money to go in his death trap. Once you see it, you can’t unsee it.
Just wait, there will be stories coming soon about how he was *not* a nice guy and what his little rages were like.
It’s the arrogance that we witness almost on a daily basis. It’s the same arrogance that fuels a cop to stand on someone’s neck and blow off them saying “I can’t breathe” and bystanders yelling at them to ease up … but they don’t and then stand around looking “matter of fact” when tragedy happens directly because of their actions. The arrogance and pride of mankind. And to think we actually trust man kind and their devices more than God who woke you up this morning. 🫥
Sean needs to stay away from GMO foods.
@@darcymoon2109. Stockton sounds like Alex Mashinsky, CEO of Celsius. A bully, Alex stole my life savings with reassuring lies.
Gosh, this is what a father and son relationship should look like. The respect between the both of them is incredible. ❤
On camera yes
Oh get a life
Yes ❤
@@silverfox8514RIGHT. NO ONE KNOWS WHAT THEIR RELATIONSHIP IS OFF CAMERA 😅
@@TaurusHereShut up. An experience like this certainly bonds you. Take your out of pocket assumptions elsewhere. Its inappropriate
The Dad raised his son to think for himself, and ultimately this saved both their lives.
A much different story to the other father and son who went on the trip despite his doubts to please his father. An important lesson for us all.
Proud of this son and father for saving their own lives and listening to eachother!
The real question for all the passengers and prospective passengers was "Do I really need this?"
This young man is curious but cautious and pragmatic. He decided not to try this experiment ever again after this disaster. Smart decision. Kudos to father for raising him right.
Calm down. You know nothing about how anyone was raised.
Yeah, pragmatic is boring. He let his fears talk him out of a lifetime experience of seeing Titanic with his own eyes. You've got to stop being afraid and take risks. Its like Stockton Rush said, this is a risk/reward life. Fear made this father and son back out. Now they have to live the rest of their lives with the regret of chickening out. And they can't change their mind now. OceanGate likely won't be offering this trip to the Titanic again. Should have gone when they had the chance.
Not all men are self absorbed, risk taking macho fools like you women tend to expect of us. Shaming them for backing out had nothing to do with fear, it's called common sense from stupidity. Stockton had an interesting concept, but to largely forego common sense and to take shortcuts that increases one's chances of disaster isn't worth the risk to me especially when such a trip is really a one way ticket when something goes wrong. Did you apply to go on that thing? If no then you have no right to judge.
@@beckydoesit9331your comment makes no sense. “Should of gone while they had the chance” what and died?
@@beckydoesit9331his fears talked him out of getting killed. I hope you are being sarcastic
There are no words for the sadness I feel for the son who didn’t want to go. Poor child.
He’s dead. There’s no experience. He doesn’t suffer. There’s no reason to feel bad for him. Feel bad for people left behind in stead.
@@Stierenkloot I do feel bad for the son, he had so much life to live but somehow ended up becoming the ocean with his father..
And poor mother.
@@StierenklootYea. No reason to feel bad for a teenager who had his whole in front of him, and really was scared and didn't want to go. But did anyway for his father and paid the ultimate price in such a horrific way. Thats such a nice thought. After all, we're the ones suffering anyway. Being alive sucks right? That's such a unique perspective you have. Never heard that before. You're like a guru of some sort...
@@Stierenkloot I feel bad for you.
What stood out to me was when the son saw the red flags and said his concerns to his dad, he was listened to. He was heard. His opinions matter to his dad. From what i saw on the news and social media, the other young man who was in the sub were there because it's what his dad wants, even if he himself was afraid to get in. The reporter is right, it is an eerie parallel between them, that it's like looking at the personification of what wise and bad decisions look like if they were father and son.
What a cute father and son duo. I’m sure their family will be forever grateful, that they didn’t go on the trip.
There but for the grace of God go I.
It was not their time to go, plain and simple. We all have a day/time to go and when that comes no matter what you will go.
Dude was flying around looking for suckers willing to risk their lives along with him. And then had the nerve to charge $150k. SMH.
TRUE!
Correction..$250k
@@sv2697ah, he pitched those two $150K. He must have raised the price when he found the Billionaire to replace them.
literally psychopathy.
Idk. More like he was desperate and the business was admittedly not making money. He was on with them. If he’d not get in with them then totally just milking suckers [as he sees it]
They are not in that small group of people who 'have that curiosity'. We all have that curiosity. They are in that small group willing and able to pay $250K to see the Titanic wreck and dive that deep.
In this case, what a narrow escape! Imagine seeing their faces and thinking it could be yours. Wow. Some story to tell the grandkids. Smart son and smart father for listening to him. So glad you are with us.
I dont have that curiosity and I think a lot of people don't have it either.
I don’t have that curiosity. There are a lot of people who could afford that. There are lots of rich people. Have you never seen shows about super yachts, etc?
So you dont have $250,000 to see the Titanic? Well, how much would you pay if you had money to spend? The son here said seeing the Titanic is his dream, and it still is. He just wants a safer sub.
@@dannyMCDelight At the end of the interview, the son says "it's definitely not something we're ever going to be trying to do again". They were so close to dying, they must be so glad to be alive, I'm pretty sure they would never want to do it even with the safest submarine in the world. As the son says, the ocean is much scarier than space. This is true no matter what kind of submarine you're using.
@@lyamorian767 I do but if 100% safe, otherwise, no interested. Maybe with 30 emergency scape in place.
Very wise and mature young man, great job, dad! Devastating for the father and young son who did go on the ill-fated trip. We now know the victims heard the hull starting to breech as they dropped the weights to ascend, and I can't imagine the fear. Smh. This was 100% preventable!
< This was 100% preventable!> Yes, it was but that Rush guy was a moron.
How do you now know that?
Descend -
At that depth, any breach in submersible hull will crush it instantly as per reports. So victims didn't even had time to process the things happening with them once hull failed.
@@HMMELDore 💰 than 🧠 it would seem, but really, ought we to speak ill of the dead? Anyone can become taken with feelings of invincibility, especially the more successful one is.
I noticed that he looked at this father sideways and smiled when the reporter was describing how the vessel imploded. He is happy that his father is alive. Kind and smart kid.
EDIT: Some people in the comments are weirdos. You guys need to go out and touch some grass and I recommend getting some professional help.
*They are really REALLY LUCKY!* - I think they just trick the death...-
Yeah, smiling at an implosion is completely appropriate....
@@whateverchannel22 smiling that his research, theories and guesses were spot on
@@whateverchannel22Yeah it was a bit insensitive. Kind of gloating that he was right.
What I'm really mourning is the poor 19 year old. He stood no chance against 4 massive egos. He didn't want to go, but very likely was talked into it.
Culture might play a part into it. “Eastern” culture are less willing to challenge authority figure, and authority figure are less willing to listen to challenges coming from younger generation.
Here's how that conversation go.
Son: Dad, I'm scared. I change my mind.
Dad: But I paid a quarter of a million $$ for your ticket.
Stockton: No refund. Abosolutely not.
No, you're not "literally morning" for this person you didn't know, you complete fool.
Shame on you for you despicable comment and for trying to turn this tragedy into a story about yourself.
🤡
@@mindsuck3042 Indeed, he was blinded by his passion for the Titanic.
Let's not forget the rogue company of the doomed CEO was the only one to offer dives on the wreck. The French former naval officer left his passion cloud his judgment and common sense.
This is terrifying, ALWAYS trust your intuition Especially when people are like “oh you’re just being dramatic, you’ll be fine….” I’m glad this young man was able to bring some LOGIC into his father!
Gaslighting is real.
@@marym3355sure but this isnt what gaslighting means
@@lt3880 Thank you so much! Many um..foolish things here. How about bringing logic INTO someone? 😂 And ALWAYS trusting your intuition? I mean, sure, heed your intuition..but trust it? Also, always? I'm just dying laughing..
I woulda beat the FKN dog Shi. Out ocean gate boy for flyin out be so persuasive
@@Gilmore304well nature's given him the beating
To me him chasing them to buy tickets, to convince them to go WAS A HUGE RED FLAG!! The experimental plane , the dad had point, he way into very high risks! I also think the dad was probably right about he was hyper focused and did not take anything anyone said to heart. The son had it right and brave enough to say no and tell his dad this is NOT A GOOD IDEA!!
I'm sorry that Rush guy definitely seem a bit insane. If he wanted to go down on this trip he should have took some dummy dolls instead of real people.
@@lateshiachilds3640Very good point, just watch it through a camera, don't go down there, but hey, not to be cruel but the guy got what he deserved, making a tin can, to go down to the depths of the ocean, ignoring all the warnings.
Yes, that's the first I've heard of that and it is VERY disturbing. The father interviewed here is far more gracious in his depiction of Rush than I could have been.
Which speaks equally well for the father and son...... this man has been a great dad !!!!!!
"The ocean is much scarier than space". Very intelligent young man. There are certain risks that shouldn't be taken into consideration simply because it's dangerous and potentially deadly. I'm sure the father is proud of his son for saving both of their lives with his refusal to join the others on the Titan submersible. My heartfelt condolences goes out to the families of the deceased individuals.
you play for the celtics im not dumb
I more terrified of the ocean. Of course they won’t find the bodies they probably got swallowed up.
I'm not a space guy, but I did study engineering in college. The fact is, if the International Space Station, or a space shuttle springs a leak, the vacuum of space is only 1 atmosphere less than the surface of the Earth. It's not enough of a pressure difference to cause an explosion. It would lose air, but my hunch is that they are prepared to plug the hole and then repair the damage quickly.
In a submarine, even one that isn't meant to go quite as deep as the Titanic, the pressure difference adds up much faster. Several military subs have collapsed at only a fraction of the depth of the Titan, and there's no chance of survival for those on board. If the hull gets breached, it's like popping a balloon. The vessel gets torn and crushes in on itself. For the Titan, way down at the bottom, the pressure is so great that the walls might as well have been made of TNT once they gave out. I doubt there are even bodies left behind that could be recovered.
There’s no “space”. The ocean is space.
@@endytimes837 i see what you tried to do there Albert , but water holds weight. therefore it isn’t empty space.
That is a very sound-minded and thoughtful 20 year-old who also wasn’t afraid to share concerns. His dad then listened. The C/O was doing the hard sell approach. That actually says a lot about his character. Passion is a great thing to have, however, when you allow it to overtake your willingness to hear concerns and take them under advisement and instead take it personally, passion becomes very problematic.
True, his hubris got those people killed.
you spoke facts here. imo, the CEO allowed his hubris to kill himself and other people with him. it’s a shame but I hope people would learn from this.
It is also tragic that the young man who died with his dad on this fatal trip was also very reluctant. He expressed this to his friends and his aunt. In the end he went, just to please his father.
Heartbreaking that Suleman tried to please his father which inevitably costed him his life💔
Wow, didn't know this 😢 poor kid..
So sad 😢…
My dad would have just had to be mad at me.
i just saw an interview with the mom and she said that she was the one who was supposed to go but her son wanted to. She said he was super excited like a little kid
I feel sorry for the 19 year old who was scared of going but did it for his dad. Listen to your kids when they're uncomfortable about something, it's not their job to capitulate to you about everything.
Shawn is a very smart young man. Well done for him for asking questions and speaking up about his concerns. Props to Dad for listening to his son and taking him seriously.
Smart & talented. To have both your private pilot’s & helicopter licenses at age 20, is noteworthy.
Flying a helicopter is not easy.
Both are expensive sports.
@cdubya3071 wow that's incredible!
@@cdubya3071I think it’s the dad who has his pilot’s license, not the son, right? Or maybe I missed something.
That’s a son I would be very proud to have. The father listening shows that this wasn’t the first time his son came to the clutch.
Son has a good intuition. I'd trust that with my life
@@David-nb8kqSame with me and I’m 31. But fuck ‘em. If they want to die instead of listening to me then fuck ‘em. I’m on the will. Their fault. I’m always right
Specially if the kid conveniently saw it the future now that he’s being interviewed after the fact - oh yes I knew all along it would implode
I disagree. Had the Titan not imploded how dejected do you think they would have felt? The father and son would have had a strained relationship so I don't think they made the right decision. It's like Stockton Rush said, you need to take risks. This is a risk/reward life.They gave up a chance to see the Titanic with their own eyes because some weird safety concerns? Hope it was worth it.
@@beckydoesit9331sounds like you are unable to make a decision of your own and are easily led by others.
Risk/reward is a ratio that each individual has to satisfy themselves with. This kid made the right choice whether that sub imploded or not. You're suggesting the failure rate of this craft is worth seeing a grave site through a tiny porthole. Anyone with an ounce of sense would know it was going to end badly one day, and even in hindsight, you're arguing the chance of a successful mission is worth an extremely likely chance of catastrophic failure?
I participate in a form of motorsport that most people wouldn't even try, i know what i do is dangerous, but inform myself as best as possible with the risks to evaluate whether it is worth it.
Some people think I'm crazy but I wont tell others its right for them if they dont share my view.
This kid is the real hero of the story. His common sense saved both him and his father’s life…
Or maybe he's just saying this to get media attention
@@ronny9407 I highly doubt that, he was genuine & sincere, not a liar.
The 19 year old that died on the Titan also was terrified & didn't want to go, he told his Aunt, his Dad's Sister that he was scared but his Dad kept after him until he caved in. I can't imagine how the Aunt now feels. I bet she wished she could have somehow not let him go. She will be tormented forever by this.
Big people are always the first to check for structural integrity.
@@ronny9407they have text messages showing the communication
'Stockton had a different risk appetite than i had' is a great way to put it! It helps you understand others and to not be pressured into situations you're not comfortable with.
This is why critical thinking is SO important. Doesn’t matter if it’s a $150000 trip or their claims, what matters is your judgement and most importantly always being informed. It will make you stand out from the rest.
AND trusting your gut !!!!
These two dodged a major bullet. When you feel something isn’t right trust your gut I feel so bad for the families who lost loved ones it a real tragedy they have to deal with this my heart go out to them
It's refreshing to see good people with common sense, who were not prepared to risk their lives, for the thrill of doing something rare.
Oh stop - most people have sense and wouldn’t risk their lives . Don’t make it sound like a refreshing rare exception .
The folks who take these adventures are a rare breed . They have the means and nerves to do these things . It’s their choice .
I take issue with all the lives put at risk in the search and rescue mission . That aspect needs to be better thought through .
5min interview and you know they are “good people”? Lmao
@the.magnus
EXACTLY! As soon as they’re reminded these folks are billionaires to even have considered this… they’ll be back on their haters game😂😂😂
The majority of the human population?
Something stupid. Not rare
It must be a jarring experience to realize how close you were to being obliterated in an implosion. I hope these two thoughtful people get to go on a different adventure together.
What a brilliant young man. You saved yourself and your father. ❤
Or another rich d nozzle just with a tad more common sense than the others
Straight up he said the first day he knew it imploded because soon as he seen the submarine he probably said oh this man has lost his mind, dad it’s no chance we’ll survive.
There wasn't enough room for them
@@TheFreedomforce87 , No, they chose not to go. The father and son that died, took their spot.
@@harborgirl8877 son over weight
This father should be proud of his young son who smelt a rat and consequently saved both their lives.
The father mentioned reasons for his own skepticism and, if you notice, did not credit his son for saving him. His son, however, claimed he just knew by looking at it, the submersible "couldn't make it to the bottom of the ocean" despite the fact that it had already successfully done that dive many times in two years of operation. The kid was running his mouth.
@@RuthlessHeathen I do. Lazy liars in general. The son and his mate were afraid of nemo, if you saw the txts. Even the dad thought he was 'stupid'. Kids just wants his dad alive so he can leech off him. And that's one decent leech.
@@nessunodorme3888Finally someone smart who see through that kid bs
I feel bad most for the 19 year old. As a 24 year old who never saw eye to eye with my dad I can definitely imagine taking the risk of going to bond and try to see things from his side. My dad wouldn’t go on roller coasters, let alone a submarine but still.
i thot for a second this said “my father wouldn’t go on a lint roller”😭
but very nice comment 🌻
Parental pressure is a thing well into adulthood. I know my personal experience. You can be over 50 years old and still be swayed by your elderly parents’ opinions, right or wrong. I feel for that 19 year old because he must have felt so pressured to do this, to please his father. How many have made wrong decisions because their parents forced them into it?
Unfortunately I could see myself doing the Same thing for my father had I been in that position , this incident really made me rethink some things .
They never felt a thing.. thankfully.
Always trust your gut. Family is important, but not the most important.
Awesome father-son duo. They actually used their brains and their intuitions and survived.
Trigger warning: sexual assault
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I myself learned at 20 years old (in 1988) about the critical importance of intuition. At that age, my friend and I accepted a ride home from someone we had just met earlier that evening, and when he dropped my friend off at her house (only a couple blocks from mine), a voice in my head said “get out of the car now and walk home.” But I made a split-second decision to ignore that voice.
He ended up driving me to a very remote area and verbally terrorizing me for a long while before raping me. I also became pregnant from that rape and needed an abortion. Absolutely traumatizing.
I was able to prosecute and he was sentenced to prison (not long enough). But I’ve never forgotten the lesson about a) not accepting rides from essentially strangers, and b) listening to my intuition.
Sorry that happened to you…not your fault. We learn the realities of the world at different points throughout our lives. At least you have the insight and acknowledgement of your own intuition enough now to share your story and save others lives by sharing it. Kudos to you. Hope you are okay.
I went through a similar situation, I too became pregnant, from the rape and assault , he went too prison for 3 years...I was at the wrong place at the wrong time....with my so called friends.I almost died that night. Listen to your gut instinct! I hope you have found a good amount of peace in your life...and this terrible experience has not been a burden to you.🌹❤️
I trust my intuition over my vision!!! Yes it will save you every time
Sorry for your terrible ordeal.All the best for the future.Cheers.
@@michellekrueger5122 I’m so sorry you went through it too. I also thought I was going to die that night. My attacker received a 6 year sentence - but who knows if he served all of it. I’m OK now. I hope you are too.
Well done. Some of my best decisions in life were a simple "no", or "no, thanks". You need to know when to decline an offer. Don't say "yes", when it just does not feel right. A simple "no" can save you from a lot of trouble.
No one knows this like me... It's safer than scuba diving and flying in a helicopter (to a helicopter pilot), No risk, stay in bed... Stupid stuff (like safety) and I will fly over to convince/bully u into taking this excursion!!! How much does a person NEED to 'simply' say "no"??? MAN😮
A healthy sense of intuition, backed up with solid facts. A father and son who obviously love, respect, and listen to each other.
I wish that the father and son who perished on the Titan had followed their example. (That poor young man was "terrified" and didn't want to go, but went anyway, to bond with his dad.)
It's never wise to override one's "internal warning system" -- even to please someone we love. Far better to use that inner instinct as a springboard to research the facts -- and maybe save the ones we love! I'll bet these two are bonded for life through this experience.
Man this interveiw is pointless to say it cant make it to the bottom of ocean is crap it made it like ove 20 times… do you know how many planes and space ships crashed before they successful offered commercial flights and people went to space… come on all this back peddling now i crazy….. casualties of experimentation…. RIP
@Lexxus 1986
In developing new technology, there's a huge difference between the experimental phase and the commercial phase when it is approved for paying passengers. During the developmental stage, test pilots are used, who are skilled, trained, fully aware of the risks, and well paid to take those risks and uncover any flaws before the new technology is marketed to the unsuspecting public. Even after this, there are tight (and expensive) ongoing MANDATORY controls on equipment to check for structural integrity, damage from material fatigue, to detect microscopic stress fractures resulting from pressure, age, and wear and tear, and to retire equipment before it poses a risk. That is why each commercial transportation industry has one or more regulatory boards policing it. That was lacking in this case. The needed advice by experts was given, but it was ignored and dismissed because it had no enforcement authority. The company running this lethal tourist trap was using untrained members of the public as test pilots and charging them huge sums of money rather than paying them.
The young man who did the research and warned his father did what a regulatory board should have done and thereby saved two lives.
I hope that this incident will lead to mandatory oversight by knowledgeable experts in every commercial form of transport, including adventure tourism. Until then, let the buyer beware -- and learn from the wise example of these two survivors!
No offense meant here, but a lot of the decision making comes down to their culture. Very sad for the loss of life.
@texasbella
No offense taken; I agree with you that cultural norms are definitely a factor -- but a factor that must be overcome, not accepted. Wherever mindless, passive, unconditional submission to human authority is the norm, it leads to needless suffering and death. That mindset is also the seedbed for radicalization and terrorism, where people are taught that it is their duty and their highest good to kill themselves and others under orders from their leaders. However, this cultural mindset can be overcome, and it does not have to take forever. Consider the transformation within one generation in Japan following World War II -- from a suicidal cult of fanatical emperor worship to a free, democratic country that respects the individual rights of its citizens and defends human rights among its neighbors. It can be done.
In no way do I blame the son who died. I'm deeply sad for him and hope that others will learn from the examples of both fathers and sons what to do and what to avoid, and how to overcome unhealthy cultural norms.
As a Christian, I find that in the Bible definite limits are set to human authority and to the obedience required of those under authority. Authority is a gift and a trust from God. Where it is misused contrary to His laws of wisdom and love, those under God's authority have the freedom (and at times even the duty) to say, as Christ's early apostles did, "We must obey God rather than men" (Acts 5:29).
@texasbella
P.S. Even in an authoritarian culture, solid facts and sound reasoning can win a hearing when presented in a gracious and respectful manner. I look to Joseph and Daniel in the Bible as examples (Genesis 37-50 and Daniel 1-6). Both were captive slaves in a foreign country who rose to positions of great power and influence without even once compromising their own convictions or yielding to unjust demands. They knew how to stand firm while showing respect to those over them because they sought to please God above everyone else (including themselves).
I am grateful the son used critical thinking and asked questions, analyzed and assessed the risk, and dad listened.
His father is a true gentleman. While many of us are focused on being judgmental to the CEO's blind ambition, he was empathetic. It's not easy to become that type of good natured person.
He's on TV, he's gotta be good natured. I bet you all my money anyone here berating on the kid for being fat or being salty about their wealth would talk the same way. The newcasters would also make sure everything they would say is curated first before going live. Don't be so naive.
So true
@@CK-lt6jl Don’t be so jaded. Yes, all media interviews have rehearsals. But neither of them had to answer exactly like they did.
Look at the staged “town hall” CNN did with Trump a month ago. He certainly did not follow the rehearsal/practice.
The dad is likely a wealthy business man. Going on TV to trash a man whose death is so recent would be a bad look. I thought the father releasing the text conversations out to the public during the search for the sub was in poor taste.
@@majorlazor5058 why ? that douchebag deserves every bad cred he gets, dead or not.
"He has more of a risk appetite than I do." And that his passion caused some blindness (confirmation bias.) Absolutely great gut instinct, which saved his and his very practical son's lives.
Adventures comes with risks. This father have rasied a son who is a critical thinker who got him self and his father out of leathal danger. What a fathers day gift. RIP to those who lost their lifes.
I am happy they both are alive and still here! What an amazing son.
the son looks like a huge guy and that sub was tiny
@@roywhiteo5 it doesn’t make a difference. The ballast would have been adjusted accordingly.
You feel better about yourself for fat-shaming this young man?
He listened to his instincts. Good kid. Dad raised him right.
He listened to his tummy and knew it wasn't possible to bring enough rations to cultivate mass for the long journey!
@@reditoao😂
And being sealed in from the outside……Hell Noooooo!!!
Right! Big nope from me and thank goodness I am poor🤷♀️
to the No. right.
@RepentandbelieveinJesusChrist Jesus had plenty to say about submarines, but those people wouldn't listen.
A big No!!!!!!
@@FuliginosusJesus is pro-submarine? I never knew
Smart young man, intelligent and good intuition. So glad he was able to voice his concerns, and that his dad was prepared to listen to him. ❤
Why do people always say we know more about space than the ocean, because we don't.
that 20 year old kid has more common sense than the silly billionaire CEO
And they say youth makes you negligent
Stockton rush was worth 25 million which is still alot but nowhere near a billionaire but i think he was desperate to be as rich as the customers he took down to the titanic.
@@dmun8508 yes,true. His anxiety about selling tickets to this guy to the point of slashing the price and flying to him in Vegas does make him look desperate and insecure. Damn smart to tell him hell no. He should should be paying the passengers the $250k to take the gamble of getting into that sub with him, not the other way around. Impulsive, sensation seeking and grandiose.
I'd like to know what background this 20 year old had to "know this submarine couldn't make it to the bottom of the ocean", that it wasn't structurally integral. If it's true, I'm impressed. But didn't the Titan have several successful trips under its belt? I wouldn't have thought to question its structural integrity.
He's a smart kid.
"He has a different risk appetite than i do" That is something that i completely understand. My life is beyond valuable and i do not take risks with it. I know death can come anytime,car crash,smoking cigs,accidents but i dont feel the need to put my life in danger just to see the Titanic. I respect that CEO's outlook but its not for me and alot of people. Like skydiving why the hell would i want to do something like that? Its unfortunate that the other victims joined this journey and was misled though this submersible was used before, i believe. I guess they had that appetite for risk and probably didnt know how risky it really was. The CEO did have faith in this sub or else he would of never let it go or been on it so i guess accidents and mistakes do happen in life but im not trying to test death.
Trust your instincts. A lot of times its just a fear of the unknown and probably wont cause any issue, but you know when something's not right. Its a very strong feeling.
We tell our kids that all the time when they are in a situation. We are raising Big City kids.
Very true
@cat888Intuition can come in many forms...a hunch, a thought, a feeling, anxiety, fear. Your intuition isn't interested in the how. It will use whatever means necessary (including fear) to get the information to the conscious level. Don't always discount fear or anxiety. If someone is constantly fearful, then that could just be an anxiety disorder. If you've almost never had a feeling of anxiety about doing something (especially a routine activity) and then suddenly out of the blue you start feeling anxious about doing it, then that could be intuition.
This makes me think that I don’t want to be one of the first people to commercially travel to mars.
Who in their right mind would pay 250,000 dollar to take a trip to the titanic in a submersible not even being approved to do this kind of trips by the proper authorities?
It had successfully gone some other times so they figured it was worth it.
They paid to die.
Trump is alive.
Wealthy adrenaline junkies with a death wish.
@@acd1168they figured wrong
Rich idiots do things like that. We should send them to mars. Let them explore that. 😂
I love this kid. So happy that his clarity was able to protect his family
The part I love the best was how "he knew from a youtube video it will not make it down". Spoiler alert, he is as lazy with his lying as he is with his diet.
@@dotconnector3889are you quite okay?
@@dotconnector3889Let's see your 6-pack bozo 🤣 the only 6-packs you have are the four 6-pack cokes in your fridge
@@dotconnector3889I don’t think the dots in your head are connecting properly….
@@blaze6945 How dare you question the DOTCONNECTOR! He's much wiser than you or me, it's right there in the name! He has the ability to connect the dots. He sees all😂
I am really impressed with the 20 year old's diligence in researching the safety before going...
It really got me when the dad said what he told Stockton didn’t “fit his narrative.” So many people today have their own narrative. I’ve heard people saying “my truth” or ‘my facts” but this tragedy should prove that the truth doesn’t give any ducks about your narrative, your truth, or your feelings. The truth is the truth, and that’s that.
When “your truth” turns out to be wrong, then it’s called delusion. There’s a lot of delusional people out there. Thankfully this very intelligent duo listened to their intuition and researched just what they were getting themselves into.
I'm so curious to know more about the son here. At most, any concerns I myself would've had about the structural integrity of the submersible would be of a shot-in-the-dark common sense variety. I get the impression his opposition was much more specific and formed in response to whatever he was seeing (or not seeing) rather than just broad skepticism. That's super impressive at his age, and for his dad to have heeded those warnings is a true testament to the love and respect he feels toward him. I can imagine so many parents brushing off their 20 year old's input as uninformed.
Imagine dying in a shipwreck at the bottom of the ocean, because you wanted to visit a shipwreck at the bottom of the ocean….😣
It wasn't a ship idiot.
What?
😶
Irony at it's finest.
A hotel that you can check in but not out.
It imploded, they were obliterated in a millisecond. Nothing to imagine.
Names prove prophetic. OceanGate lived up to being an ocean scandal and the Titan proved to be as ill-fated as the Titanic
Watergate < Oceangate
Water = Ocean
Omg they are so so lucky his son is so smart he made sure he did some research before going on vary smart
It's nice to meet this father and son and to see the intelligence of these two. As people, you have to know that there are different people who walk among us. This CEO was a crazy risk-taker and had no problem being a guinea pig on his own experimental projects. He was hoping to find others who were just like him and apparently, he did. You just can't rely on other people because their risk tolerance may be different than yours. You have to have common sense. There was no way I'd get on that submersible. These folks who died, It goes to show that you can be smart but have no common sense.
It was more so the CEO was hoping to rope ignorant and gullible people in to fund his reckless experimental project rather than hoping to find people who were just like him. They thought they were safe because Stockton was charismatic, confident and persuasive. Yeah, they should've done their research, but I think they ultimately victim to Stockon's bullshit scheme.
Any plane you build yourself (even if it's a proven design) is considered "experimental". And I believe that it has to pass inspections anyway. This sub was never certified by anyone else.
Or self preservation instincts
among us
Good for you for warning your dad sweetheart...and your dad listened! ...you did real good! You are a wise son...having a wise Father!!
Lesson: anyone pressuring you to do something you don’t want don’t do it.. praying for the families left behind 😢
One of the greatest gifts in life is to be able to detect narcissists around you, even the subtle ones. They always put their interests above yours and will go to great lengths to advance theirs, even if it devastates yours.
@@d33763🙄🙄🙄
@@d33763yes!!!
@@heyitsme881hat’s with the eyerolls?? Everyone can see that Stockton Rush was a classic, textbook narcissist with grandiose tendencies, and his sub did not conform to industry-standard safety protocols.
Many narcissists have a talent for persuasion and manipulation (that’s why they tend to do well in sales and entrepreneurship).
@@calisongbird not every selfish person is a narcissist. And those people had their own obligation to do their own due diligence
Wait a minute. Not only he build an experimental sub but also an experimental plane? Is it even legal and safe to fly that? Remember how the sub failed the safety test and him ignoring all the warnings? What's to say if the plane is in the same scenario?
5:44 you can even see the son chuckle at how ridiculous Rush's ambition was.
Props to the father, son and his friend. Not only they're rich, they're smart, have common sense, done their research and knew the sub was a huge red flag.
It is ridiculous 😂, this man Rush was insane. I would have laughed in Rush face if he said he came down in a two seater helicopter and then wanted me to go in a tin can under water.
Thankfully the dad was a pilot and knew enough about aircraft to see how sketchy this was. I’m a diver and understand the very very basics of atmospheres of pressure from my training, and it’s astonishing to me that a rover can withstand that much pressure, much less a submersible with people in it. This isn’t a normal depth. This is 400x the pressure on land. Stockton decided to use carbon fiber instead of titanium (a stronger material). Imagine putting passengers on an airplane made out of recycled soda cans. It might work a couple of times, but it won’t last. It’s not strong enough for that! It would fall apart under stress. That’s why other people in the industry were not on board with this experiment.
Very wise decision, you listened to gut instincts and saw the red flags. I can't imagine how you must have felt when you heard the news. So sad for those lost but so glad you made the right decision
What a powerful story! It's good to trust yourself. My sympathy to all who have been impacted.
Larger individuals are always the best at determining structural integrity beforehand.
@@pharma37 Okay. Sounds like you might know Billy Long.
Actually the vessel had already been down to the bottom more than once. But what obviously wasn't happening was post-voyage integrity testing. And this was one trip too many. Either way one looks at it, Rush's ego and greed cost him and his customers their lives.
Not sure how many but they took it for at least 10 trips already and it was safe. Guess this is the straw that broke the camels back.
@@jonfreeman9682Just the nature of material fatigue
After this interview I’m certain Stockton lived his life to the fullest lol
The fact he was being so persistent and kept spamming him with desperate texts gets to show Stockton was a Scam artist
It’s amazing how many people pulled out at the last minute and it’s amazing how many people have safety concerns that they never put in the public are you doing?
If they had put it in the public, the ceo of oceangate would have taken legal action for slander. Hence why everyone is now speaking out because it's not longer a opinion that the sub was dangerous, it's now sadly a fact.
How is it amazing? Only 4 seats. Costs nearly £200k. Of course there are people who showed interest but didn’t commit.
What?
@@jnrgrdn Absolutely not.
You're free to express your doubts about the safety of the thing.
No grounds whatsoever for legal action there.
@@Mistical1982 You missed the point.
Plenty of people opted out _specifically because of safety concerns._
The price was not even the issue. They would not have gone on this thing for free.
“We know more about space than we know about the ocean!” 🌊 That was a wise word right there! This young man is intuitive and intelligent enough not to take them chances
That we know more about space than the ocean is common knowledge.
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@@LateNightCableI’m actually an educated person and didn’t realize that until this incident.
@@calisongbirdyou’re not educated.
We know more about the ocean than space.
This story is a good reminder that people in high positions of power with deluded egos, who ignore warnings from safety experts, etc... not only shouldn't be in power but also put people in danger. Sometimes lots of people such as in the medical field, politics, airline companies, engineering firms, etc...
The experts who sounded the alarm are engineers in the deep sea submersible field though. That's why they're the experts. Stockton Rush was not.
"He has a different risk-appetite than I do." Well said. I smell 'evil'. Arrogant guy gambled with the lives of others; lead them to their deaths. Beware of ppl who engage in reckless behavior like this. They're never satisfied until they have endangered the lives of others. This smells so much like the 1970's Jim Jones massacre. A suicidal person setting up others to die with him. It's common to find this type among managers. They ignore your concerns about dangerous working conditions. Then someone gets hurt.
this is a great point, their narcassism makes them enjoy convincing people to go along with their crazy plans
Absolutely. Selfishness at it's finest.
yeah, I was thinking "that was a very diplomatic way to describe a psychopath".
Yeah, one second Stockton is sitting on the floor of his sub playing with his game controller. The next second he’s standing in front of the Devil.
Yeah just like investing but to an extreme, instead of just risking percentage of their money, they've risked their lives & money
The ceo's arrogance and tunnel vision not acknowledging the subs deficiencies killed all of them.
I have a son. I would never even consider taking him on an excursion where you have to sign a waiver that mentions death three times while alluding to the vessel's experimental nature. I feel very sorry for all the passengers, but what the hell was that Pakistani billionaire thinking?
Waivers are there even when you go skydiving. But yeah I agree with you. I can't imagine how such rich people didn't have their own team of experts to take a look at the sub and give their feedback. These people have "guys" for everything.
More money than brains? So so sad
Exactly what i have also been thinking!!! Why go with your son? Why not go alone?? I can onlynimagine that the fact that the CEO himself was joining was probably why they agreed to this. But as a parent i would never agree to something like this...which is why i think its crucial to raise kids to be more independent and less concerned with pleasing others at their own expense
To be the stupidest billionaire to die this way.
That father's kid got me when he laughed at @5:55 about Rush going to his experimental 2 seater aircraft when his real intention is to pitch him on his 5 seater experimental sub. 😂