Water Pump Replacement Holden VE V8 (Pontiac G8) Read Pinned Comment Before You Try!!!
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
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Hi Everyone,
This week i show you how to replace your water pump on a Holden VE V8, or Pontiac G8 for those in the States. This will also work for any L98, LS2 or LS3 equiped GM car such as the Pontiac GTO Coupes, any VZ ,VE or VF HSV Clubsport, GTS, Senator etc. as well as the Chevrolet SS.
There are two types of water pumps used on these motors. This was the earlier style where the top hose outlet is above and to the left of the pulley. There is also a later style pump where the outlet is to the top right of the pulley.
Make sure you shop around for a water pump - I got this for $380 AUD - it is a genuine GM unit. Prices range from $795 for OEM ones from dealerships to $200 parts store specials (read el cheapo). I got this one online - if you can afford to wait for delivery - its the best option. Just make sure they supply 2 gaskets!!
The Job was pretty straight forward and took about 90 minutes all up. If you are half way decent with spanners, you should be able to do this yourself. Just take your time and make sure you don't make a mess in your shed like i did...
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A Quick note on filling and bleeding the system. A few people I have spoke to since have said to top up via the heater hoses to get in behind the thermostat, or pour straight down the top hose into the water pump (rather than the radiator) to make sure the block fills and you don't inadvertently run the pump dry! Thanks for stopping by and good luck with your repair!
Also a good preventative maintenance item is the power steering fluid, so easy its not funny, just go to a medical supply place which sells large fluid syringes which holds about 50 to 75mm and put a small hose on the end of it, suck out the old power steering fluid put in new fluid and turn the steering a few time lock to lock and keep replacing the fluid in the power steering reservoir ,till its all nice and ed, theres also power steering treatment stuff from Wynns, which i would recommend putting it in once you know the fluid in the reservoir is clean fluid, that way it helps with chatter and friction etc. cheers well done with the upload. :)
Hi mate we having issues with our also...gone through 2 theremostats on 2 months...start carrying on all of a sudden...squeeling and thumping and loses heaps of water just out of the blue and not really seeing a sharp rise in temp at the time...I didn't bleed it both times...note we put new cap on and still having issues.
Wanna do mine for me? 🤣
Also in Vic ;)
pene king 🤣🤣🤣 ah no has yours shit itself?? Hahaha mate im happy to break and ruin my own cars but not other peoples hehe! The pump change is the easy part - bleeding them is a bastard!
I really have to thank you for your great tutorial... my 2006 GTO started leaking yesterday... I watched your video last night... went out this morning bought a new pump... had it installed in an hour...easy... thanks again!
Hey Mark - great to hear mate! Awesome that you got the job done yourself and are back on the road! I hope you bled your system well too, these things I have found to be a little tricky some times.
Cheers for watching and the comment!
Finished mine today. Bled and perfect. You saved me a shit load of money. Bought my pump 💰360. Inc thermostat and gaskets. Cheers. Good Luck. I’m in Melbourne. Lol
Thats awesome to hear Frank, my pleasure mate! Good price on the pump too! How long/kms did you get out of the original pump? Stay safe during the next lockdown mate - hopefully all this is over soon...
Cheers
Marc
Great video 👍👍👍 Holden should have done a series of basic maintenance vids I am going to change out my water pump tomorrow much more confident now I watched your vid chief good on ya mate
Thanks mate! the job is easy as - but please make sure you know how to bleed the system properly. I fked mine up the first time when i flushed the cooling system and stuffed up the pump!! From what i remember you need to either fill from the heater hoses, or directly down the top hose to fill behind the t'stat and water pump so it doesn't run dry. Then when you start it, you need to give it some RPM, rather than let it idle like i did, as i think there is some sort of pressure driven bypass in these LS engines. If i find the thread I will stick it here!
Thanks mate. i might need to do mine soon and i can't even take off a fan belt. you made me feel a lot more confident
Cheers Steve! Mate i reckon you will be fine! Its pretty straight forward once you are in there. Just make sure you read the comment up top about properly bleeding the system so you don’t stuff up the pump like i did! Let us know how it all goes!
Cheers - Marc
@@MeatballGarage will do mate. Thanks so much
I’m pumped doing my pump tomorrow. Cheers
Awesome Frank (and great pun too mate!). Please make sure you fill and bleed the system correctly (all the info in the pinned comment), I think thats what stuffed me up in the first place! Good luck, thanks for watching and the comment mate! Cheers - Marc
Its satisfying watching and learning from your videos. It is very helpful and thank you.
Cheers mate ! If you ever do your water pump - make sure you bleed the system properly! There are a couple of articles online as well as the comment at the top which gives good info. What car did you have mate?
@@MeatballGarage i have a 2009 ve calais v8 6L
Noice 👍
@@MeatballGarage im doing oil change on it now. How often do you flush radiator out? I use a k&n filter and its washable.
Hey mate - I have seen online that these LS/L98/L77 V8s should go 5 years between flushes. If you have the books on your car it should be noted in the service manual when it's due. I should have done mine earlier to be honest after seeing the crud come out of the cooling system..Yuck! The K&N should be good too!!
Thank you for this video. I enjoyed it. You should make more videos, its a joy watching you.
Thanks mate! Glad you enjoyed the video and hope it helped you out! How long/km did you get out of your water pump?
Hoping we can get over the 'rona soon so i can get back out in the shed and work on the fleet!
Cheers!
bro ur the man..I found this video very useful.i think im having a water pump issue.im not sure..but I noticed my club sport over heated for the 1st time ever the other day.i checked hoses and found one a bit wrapped.ive changed both too and bottom hoses.ive burped the coolant out and tonmorow ill do a flush.i did notice a slight scratching noise.but my car hasn't over heated yet and is working perfectly.i did also find my radiator cap was broken on the inside.so I replaced that.i haven't had an issue yet.so watching this video is soo helpful as if I do get an water pump issue.i will follow all ur steps as I like to do my own work if I can..so thank u for ur video bro...awsome work
G'day mate! Thanks for the comment! Hmm I reckon if your water pump is squealing it's on the way out. If you find my instagram (Meatball_Garage) I have a couple of videos of my water pump making that squeeky noise - once it did that i binned it and replaced it (I ended up replacing like 3 on the VE over its life with me).
If you do replace it - it is super important to make sure you fill the block up with coolant directly from the heater hoses or from the top hose (take it off the radiator, and pour the coolant straight down into the block). It's very easy to run the pumps dry and and that inevitably can cook your pump! Good luck with it mate!
Great instructions. How hard was it to put back the belt?
Thanks David! My belt was pretty easy (you route it through all the accessories then slide it under the water pump pulley last). However my belt is a little bit longer the than OEM which makes this SO much easier! If you have the original GM belt - it takes a bit if effort, but can be done! Good luck mate, thanks for watching and let us know how you go!
Great info Marc, pity I sold my Holden Caprice.
Cheers Steve - They are good cars when up and running. Apart from shocks yours didn't miss a beat from memory! I have done two alternators, two water pumps and shocks all round on this thing..
I have done it twice on my g8 , unsnap the lid to air box cover and take off entire inlet duct. Remove tensioner while pump is on engine. Only disconnect heater hoses at pump nipples. Use factory spring clamps
Nice mate! Although it sucks to have had to do this twice on your car! How many miles did each pump survive? Cheers!
Your throttle body so clean
Think I need to do mine . I'm getting a ticking noise with a whistling sound .
G'day mate! If you take the belt off and spin the water pump by hand you can generally hear if it has gone bad. I have a video of it on my Instagram page which shows you what I mean. (same name as my channel here)
If you manage to do the job yourself please make sure you note the correct filling procedure of these cars - there is also a breather that a few people said should have been removed too.
How many Kms have you managed to get out of your current water pump?
Good luck mate! Cheers - Marc
nice work just done mine!
Cheers MrCye2! Hope my vid helped you in your install! Thanks for watching!
Well done, you should have brought a new cap as well, other than that perfect upload. :) i know those hose clamps are good, but over time with heat they can go brittle and the same with the plastic connectors for the heater hoses. :) Which is why i like to use the stainless hose clamps, but be very careful when tightening them up, thats why they use those type of clamps of areas where theres plastic connections maybe. :)
Cheers mate! Can confirm the cap has been binned for a new one. And would you believe my heater hoses have decided to leak on me this weekend (at the fire wall and at the plastic connectors). I bought OEM ones to replace them and even the dealer told me to bin the hose clamps that they come with and use traditional ones! Fairdinkum, this thing just give me so much joy with with its niggles..
Did you have a VE yourself?
@@MeatballGarage No champ i have a 2015 VF SSV REDLINE and so far so good, just brought the coolant penrite always used penrite and its due for a coolant change with the flush item from penrite, so brought the 2 X 5lt pre mix which is 50/50 and will buy 1 X 1lt concentrate just in case i need it and always use distilled water as alloy bocks and other components do not like the minerals in the tap water at all, makes your coolant only last 1/2 the time really, i used to sell coolants and trust me if you do the right thing, especially if you buy a 2nd hand car with heaps of km's its best to change the rubber hose's and clamps that way theres no chyance of them going brittle and cracking as well, but then again it all comes down to who owned it and how many times they have done the job of preventative maintenance, like i mentioned the cap with so much rust in it is a sure way of knowing that the chances of the heater hoses and other hoses might get pin holes in them and thus better to change them, especially if they show any signs of swelling etc, but well done champ and kepp up the great work. :)
@@7071t6 Hey mate! Nice - I like the last batch of those redlines, they are a good thing and will hold their value too!
Would you believe not long ago I had to replace the heater hoses as well! Your method using all the good gear and keeping on top of its maintenance should keep it problem free for (hopefully) a long time!
I reckon in addition to the Radiator Cap being knackered, I might have stuffed up bleeding the system and inadvertently run the pump dry on initial start up. A few people I have spoke to since have said to top up via the heater hoses to get in behind the thermostat, or pour straight down the top hose into the water pump (rather than the radiator) to make sure the block fills. I have never had a problem bleeding systems before but this L98 has sure tested me!
Thanks for your comments and encouragement mate - I have seen your comments all over FullBoost & Streetmachine and they are always very detailed, thought out and considerate!
Much appreciated! Cheers - Marc
Could you do a spark plug tutorial on your g8
Hey mate! Sorry I have since sold the car! If i find a decent vid of the job though i will link it here for you 👍
Cheers!
What prompted you to change it in the first place? My L77 has an irregular squeak in the area, after it warms up. First step in my process of elimination was to hit multiple pulleys with some good ol wd40. No change.
Hi mate! In the video prior to this one (coolant flush) I reckon I stuffed up filling and bleeding the system correctly - causing to run the pump dry on initial start up, which from what i can tell stuffs up the seals on the bearing. It would proper squeal when hot. Have a look at my Instagram as there is some more footage of the knackered pump on there (hopefully you can eliminate water pump from your squeak from looking at that). The pump would cool fine even when squealing but it would be a matter of time before it gave up (this has happened to me before!) so took no chances and popped another one on.
I use to to have just an irregular squeak on cold starts, first point of call for me was whack a new belt on - which cured it no worries. You could use the old screwdriver to the ear trick to see if you can identify which pulley is the cause (see this vid here - ruclips.net/video/U927cYhQXB4/видео.html) Just be careful using WD40 as i heard it does more harm than good on these LS pulleys too! Is your squeak constant or come and go once the car is warmed op?
@@MeatballGarage thanks for the info. The squeak starts once the car warms up. The screw driver to the ear trick makes me pretty confident that it is inside the water pump. I'll look up the insta post.
Outdoors CBR ah just saw this too - yep I reckon its on its way out. How many km have you done in the car?
@@MeatballGarage it just ticked 100,000.
Ah ok - seems like a gamble with these. My first one lasted about the same. Our old VZ LS2 did 3 before 100k, but Roger who made a comment had his Caprice do 300k + on its original one! Ahhh GM...
Did you check if it had a themostate in the new water pump, just asking thats all?
Yeah they sell em as a kit. Some of the el cheap ones just sell the pump but the GM ones come with pump, T/stat and housing all already assembled. Very handy!
Great video!
Cheers! Thanks for watching mate!
thank you
Cheers mate - glad I could help! Thanks for watching!!
Good example of what not to do
Care to elaborate on which bit mate? (Already covered off bleeding the system in the comments and description) Some constructive advice might actually help out hacks like myself, and others who want to give this job a go themselves if you can share some of your expertise? Cheers 👍
My LS1 was on original water pump at 318.000 Kay’s
Wow! Roger that is a pretty good effort (on both original pump and kms!) what car was it in mate?
Meatball Garage it was in WK Caprice but I did change my coolant just before every summer I don’t know if that had anything to do with it now I have a 2014 WN Caprice I will see if I get the same or it was just luck
Mate that is very disciplined upkeep! These things should last ages if basic servicing is done (and you don’t get a GM Auto that goes boom..)
That last shape with the updated trim and the LS3 is a good thing - hopefully it gives you another 300k!
O for Awesome good job
Cheers Laurence - Hope the video helped mate!
Not sure if you will see this as the video is a few years old now, but looking at doing my pump on my LS3 VF SS. Any reason why you just let the coolant go everywhere instead of draining first?
Thanks mate.
G'day Hayden! First up - how many kms did you get out of your water pump?
When I did this my theory was I wanted to retain as much coolant that was in the radiator as I could. So just undid the hoses and sacrificed whatever was in the block. I did a coolant flush before this video and used the drain plug under the rad - even then I found the block still retained a heap of coolant. I am positive there is a better way to do this! If you see any of my other videos you will quickly learn I'm a fair hack!!
Also - Make sure you bleed the system correctly. These water pumps dont like running dry (ask me how i know this...) When you fill it again for the first time, make sure you get some coolant in behind the thermostat by dumping it directly down the top hose or filling by the heater hoses. Also give it some RPM too as these have some sort of pressure related bypass and if left to just idle wont bleed.
Cheers!!
Marc
@@MeatballGarage Thanks mate.
It's a 2017 VF SS LS3, currently has 98k on it and I bought it at 85k. I assume it's still the factory one, not sure though. I'm not the greatest with cars, only did my first ever oil change last weekend which went great so I am little nervous about this, although very eager to learn. I'm not 100% sure it's the water pump that I need to change at the moment, just been advised it could be the water pump from a video I took. ruclips.net/video/aafPDneR1Kg/видео.html here's the video, does it sound like a failed/failing water pump to you? The noise only kicks in after the car warms up.
Cheers.
Just replied on your vid mate! Its fantastic that you are having a go at this stuff yourself! Just ask lots of questions, do your research and take your time and you will be fine. Installing it is straight forward, but bleeding the system once you have installed the new pump is critical - so take your time with that mate and ask lots of questions!
PS the car looks pretty clean too! Sounds mint!
@@MeatballGarage thanks mate. 2 more quick questions. First one, where did you buy the new belt from? Having a look at mine whilst looking at the water pump issue etc and it is looking a bit worse for wear, few knicks in it. Thanks
@@haydenj2931 Hey mate! I think I got the belt from Repco. The early L98s had a habit of throwing the air con belts. I did it a couple of times from memory and each time just went to Repco or Autobarn for the belts. How did you go with the screwdriver?
I got 160000km. Out of the first water pump. Holden Ss thunder ute 2007
That's pretty good Frank - I think my first one lasted about 110 from memory. My old man had a VZ Clubby back in the day that went through 3 of them before 100k!
done mine twice this week keeps blowing new pumps at the back plate pops out original only had wobbly pulley frustrated as
Bugger Luke - what a pain! Never heard of them blowing the backing plate off!
What happens before it blows off (any noise etc). Fill and bleed the system ok? Any other pulleys look sussed? T stat working ok?
What is your gut feel mate?
t stat is new filled n bleed ok no bubbles no noises nothing just pops out around 5mm n leaks temp sit just over a quarter all th time never had issues until replacement have now tried a pump the backing plate bolts on I think faulty pumps but 2 in a row or maybe that's just my luck lol
Man that sucks! Was this for an LS1? I know those pumps had the bolts in the rear where as the 6.0Ls were sealed units.
I wonder if there is a workshop manual you could refer to to say how much those bolts need to be torqued up - or if you need to use loctite or something.
Good luck - I feel your pain mate!!
no the new pump I have fitted with bolted backing plate was a protex part number and seems to be doing the job the gmb pumps was the sealed units that kept failing pain In the butt but seem all good now
Luke Crook nice mate - glad you got it sorted! 👍
YOUR A CHAMP.
No worries mate - hope you managed to bleed the system properly too?
need some help guys
where do i find a windscreen washer fuse?
please help
Cafe racer has a meatball garage shirt. Is that you? Are you in Brisbane?
Ahh I just looked up that shirt - not bad but its not mine. Might have to rejig my logo now haha!
Nah mate I am in Melbourne - the lockdown state 🤣🤣👍
hi bud. just wondering how u knew the water pump had gone? ive got a 09 ss and have just started getting a noise while its cold. seems to cycle with the pulleys. bit more than a squeek. not real sure why but i seem think its the wp.. it doesnt over heat. is there any way to diagnose a failing wp?
It's done 214000
@@andycasey5888 G'day Andy. There are a couple of things you can do to see if its your WP. With mine, it started to make a noise when it was warm and under pressure (after I stuffed up properly bleeding the system). There is a short video on my instagram that shows this (instagram.com/p/B8D7wpMpYvX/?) I took the belt off and turned it by hand to isolate the noise to the WP.
When it was properly cactus, you could actually see no flow from the block into the radiator as well - looking at the coolant with the cap off.
If yours is squeaking when cold - it might just be your belt. 214k is a bloody good innings so it could be due. I had a cold squeak for a while but a new belt made the thing run quiet as a mouse!
Try those couple of things out and let us know how you go!
Cheers - Marc
@@MeatballGarage two days after posting the comment my air con went. worked fine one day and not the next.. so i think wp ok atm... just trying to do a crank angle sensor right now. even done one? i think the starter has to come out first..
Oh man that sucks! No wonder so many people have a love hate relationship (including me) with these things. Never done a crank angle sensor - But yeah i think it's right near the starter. Have a look at some Como/G8 forums - they are usually pretty good resources for things like this. How did you know you had to replace that? What symptoms were you getting?
@@MeatballGarage hey bud. Had one go In a v6 vt. Mission to get to. It was behind harmonic balencer. Your car will fail to start at times and can run really rough. But to answer your question my scan tool told me why the engine light was on.. Hasent done it since and I haven't even gotten around to it yet...
What year model is this? Pump looks different to mine
G'day mate - This was an 2007 Holden Calais - There were 2 different styles of pump - Check out 0:30 where i put em both on screen. They are both different to the LS1 pumps though. Hope this helps! Cheers
@MeatballGarage cheers mate it actually is the same as mine I've just ordered a new and will be replacing mine
@@stiopicmyosick Nice mate! Make sure you read the pinned comment up top about refilling and bleeding your cooling system after changing the pump. You also need to give it some RPM when bleeding it and don't let it idle as there was some bypass valve in the system (from what i read) I did it wrong and cooked it once - hence the need for this video! Cheers and good luck with the job!!
@@MeatballGarage so top via heater hose when you've disconnected them at 4:04?
@@MeatballGarage and what about disconnecting the top hose from the radiator and topping it up that way?
No drain no good !!!
Hey Jayj! - You can drain the radiator before you do this job but there will always be residual water in the block. I decided to try and save as much water in the radiator that I could and sacrifice whatever came out of the block instead. How would you go about it yourself?
Cheers for commenting mate!
need some help guys
where do i find a windscreen washer fuse?
on Holden VE S1 v8
please help
Hey Mike - sorry for the late reply? Did you end up finding this out?
In my book it says the fuse is located in the fuse box under the bonnet - Fuse number F21 - It's a 15a fuse. Let us know mate!