John McEnroe vs Serena Williams
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John McEnroe is right in my opinion on his statement about Serena Williams if she played on the Men's ATP circuit / tour. Serena is arguably the greatest female tennis player ever but to compare her where she would rank on the Men's tour is just not fair. It's two completely different levels of tennis and she would not rank very high at all. That is not a disrespectful, anti-feminist or anti-equality statement. It's just a fact. Why did John McEnroe get so much heat for saying that? Serena even admits she wouldn't do well on the Men's tour.
All respect to McEnroe and Williams. People just need to leave them alone and stop trying to turn everything into a fight. 
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She lost 6-1 to a man ranked 203rd who was half drunk after a round of golf.
Half drunk from two beers?
Man, you're a light weight!
@@JoeyMcNelis He most definitely wasn't drunk but he also wasn't playing 100% even if he wanted to
@@snakevenom4954 Oh, I know. I was just commenting on the OP who said "half drunk after two beers". If the OP is half drunk after only two beers, he's a light weight.
And he beat her sister after that.
@@JoeyMcNelis Congrats on a high alcohol tolerance?
Serena = Men are better
Everybody= Claps
Johnny= Men are better
Everyone= How can u say that 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The white male patriarchy😂
The reason for this is you are not allowed to criticize downwards, only upwards. A man with legs may not criticize someone in a wheelchair. But someone in a wheelchair may criticize someone with legs,
*different
It’s like the n word but there’s no offense
@@Marta1Buck 😂😂😂😎
Kudos to Serena for being honest. Graceful lady, and John McEnroe was and IS right.
It was on the line!! Mac is always right. Its just as hard to be the #1 ranked woman as it is for a man to be #1. Athletes are always improving getting faster and stronger to contend.
Yes that made me actually respect Serena even more.
Graceful lady, LOL. You obviously don’t know jack.
Love me some Serena!!!
Not totally right. Because it's not a different sport, but the same. As well be like this in swimming, Voleybol, Football, Basketball and whatever. Even in Cooking nowadays men are superior, since the "Modern woman" refuses to cook.
We live in a time when so many people just cannot handle the truth. They would rather live a lie because it "feels" good.
let's also say that men are as beautiful as women. Let's equalize the situation and obviously we felt good :))
yep.. men have created a world so easy that women think they're better than men..
Nail on the head Jack
Lies to control people!
Joh McEnroe committed the ultimate crime “ speaking the truth” instead of what people want to hear”
Nah, trying to explain how ranking works to people who never watch tennis might get them in confusion but I honestly believed that Serena Williams was at least top 10 the greatest in the world before I even watch her matches, then everything make sense when she got her ass lit destroyed (no offense) against one dude ranked 203
Most people like fake people more than real people anyways so what’s the use.
Exactly. I'm starting to believe that's human beings' greatest problem - pride. They don't want to be humbled and hear the truth, they want to hear what makes them feel good.
@Anthony Marks THANK YOU. people who have been around the block..people who aren't COWARDS and aren't afraid of being wrong, appreciate reality.
Leftists are the antithesis of truth. They're all about propaganda and social constructs that support ideology and agenda. Leftists are evil people.
Yeah he fucked up doing that. Lol
The further a society drifts from truth ,the more it will hate those who speaks it
- George Orwell
outstanding.
Perfect
LET WILLIAMS PLAY THE 700TH PLAYER IN THE WORLD!!!
HOW FN STUPID DO THESE FOOLS HAVE TO BE?!? SHE'D BE DESTROYED!!!
Facts
Truth is hate to those that hate the truth.
In fact, he was being very generous with a 700th place!
Exactly. She wouldn't be top 1000. Maybe 700th on the men's college list
Well, it’s not that important.
At that point it doesn’t really matter is she would be top100, top500 or top1000.
Most people could barely name the top20 in any sport… the bigger point is that barely anyone would know who Serena is if she would have to compete with the men.
But there are still many delusional people out there who think that no man could beat Serena or that the US womens soccer team would beat the US mens soccer team.😂
@@ramigilneas9274 This^^^^ she would probably be around 700, like McEnroe said. I trust his judgment more than mine. Even IF she were a little higher than 700, she would be well out of the "well-known" positions ie top 15-30.
I love when they asked him what he thought he’d be ranked. He answered around 1200. They weren’t ready for that kind of honesty
But he means now.
I seem to recall someone demanding an apology from McEnroe. He said: "No." Perfect response!!
Its the same clip this vid showed of him with the two female hosts and the male host.
Mcenroe is being bloody generous. A male pro is insanely good. I don't see her beating anyone inside top 1000. There are good male amateurs, ex pros who would beat her
maybe his answer would be different if he were an actor looking foward to his next role.
Or, F- NO!
That’s what I like about him , he tells it like it is, doesn’t sugarcoat nor apologize for what he said .,
"somewhere in the 100-200 range" she lost against a guy ranked 200 at the END of his career who first went golfing and drank two beers
Lost badly.
@@kenperlman2204 Lost biggly
She was also at the start of her career she hadnt come close to peaking yet
@@THE1BELOWANDABOVEALL Yea perhaps youre right but there is no way of knowing for sure I atleast have hope she could challenge no.200 and be competitive
@@redgiant970 she hadn’t peaked but was already on track to becoming a superstar dominating force for years to come. She was at the start of that superstar status.
Serena just earned my respect even though I don’t follow tennis anymore. She knows what she’s talking about
She lost to the rank 202 male player after he'd just finished a round of golf and had a couple of pints of lager. He even said he played like the rank 600/700 would play to keep it interesting to watch. The Williams sisters then went on to challenge only male players rank 350 or lower, after thier original claim to beat anyone below rank 200 failed miserably. They are yet to accept any challenges from males rank 350 or lower because they know they will lose.
Karsten Braasch, the #200ish guy who crushed both Venus and Serena, was also a chain-smoker.
I watched them play that match. It wasn’t close.
Didn't he actually drop to 500 a week or two after the match?
He beat Serena 6-1. And he was ranked 203.
He was ranked 203. Karssten Brasch. I'm sure I murdered the spelling his name, my apologies.
John has never held his tongue and thank God for that!
She said at some point she could win versus any men ranked 350+, because 205 at the time won 6/1 against her when she said the same thing about 200+, then proceeded to refuse any challenge.
@@indigetes yeah cuz there is a limit because men are built for more physically challenging things so at some point really good game sense and skill isn’t enough because that’s just how we have evolved
@@roshaniyengar3236 He's not talking about the physicality. He's talking about false claims. It's awesome that women are competing and winning at the highest levels of sport, but in many sports they're still not comparable in performance to men, so they shouldn't try to claim they are.
Any woman would struggle to return a weak 2nd serve from a man...whoever the last man is on the mens official rankings would beat Serena easy.
You CANNOT be SERIOUS
700 is pretty good. Flo-Jo is still the fastest women and holds the track and field record. Her time is 7090 (tied) compared to men's times. So the fastest woman ever is tied with the 7090th fastest man.
True. And Usain Bolt at 16 ran faster than ANY woman ever ran...
Not totally accurate. A lot of the times above her are repeats. Bolt isn't above her just once but every time he competed for over a decade and a half.
how refreshing to hear an opinion, a well informed opinion that is made honestly and not done in an effort to pander to the snowflakes. it is what it is.
Never apologize for telling the truth. We need the truth front and center.
It's really unsettling how he had to be so apologetic for telling it like it is. For telling the truth... Such a sad, dark time... Judgement, racist, sexist time..
Thanks radical leftists!!! But I digress.
Thank so much for writing this. I needed to hear this. I felt guilty after an honest conversation and was about to say sorry lol
@Goldie The problem is, what is the TRUTH?? YOUR truth is not necessarily MY truth.
Your truth is she won't rank better than 700th. My truth is that she would rank a lot better. Now what?
@@bliglum since you decided to "digress", your "truth" boy egged on his troops to march on Washington and he promised to be right there with them, then hides out in the basement of the White House doing the manly thing....tweeting them on...lol
Then throws Pence under the bus.
Gotta love the right wing , rebel flag carrying nut jobs for their lack of brains.
@@TheNYgolfer Thanks for putting not so fine a point on the real problem in America.. The "us" vs "them" thing that's going on. It's supposed to be the UNITED states of America.. C'mon man!
I like how John McEnroe, who was ranked #1 in the world for a considerable time, and so probably knows a little bit about tennis rankings, gives his honest opinion based on his expertise as the literal former greatest player in the world, everyone jumps on him. Like they have any expertise whatsoever compared to him.
Only pussy PC cry about it
Totally agree. I grew up in the era of McEnroe, Conners, Lendl, Mats Wilander, Edberg, Pat Cash. That was some era of tennis. It has more great top players playing at the same time vs the last 15 yrs in which really on three have dominated.
I think whoever dominated their sport the most.
The better analogy would be obviously Mayweather is a better boxer than Frank Bruno but no one would expect Mayweather to be able to beat any heavyweight in a boxing match...at least not a top 20-30 ranked heavyweight if any.
So if we take in account weight then gender obviously matters. Serena has been more dominating in her gender division than any male in theirs. And if a black player threw the juvenile temper tantrums that McEnroe did you wouldn't be saying how wonderful he was.
@@santaclaus1208
I think whoever dominated their sport the most.
The better analogy would be obviously Mayweather is a better boxer than Frank Bruno but no one would expect Mayweather to be able to beat any heavyweight in a boxing match...at least not a top 20-30 ranked heavyweight if any.
So if we take in account weight then gender obviously matters. Serena has been more dominating in her gender division than any male in theirs. And if a black player threw the juvenile temper tantrums that McEnroe did you wouldn't be saying how wonderful he was.
@@USMC-cv5sd Maybe we should have weight divisions in tennis. Djokovic is 77 kg and there's no way he'd be able to beat John Isner at 111kg. Oh wait, maybe there aren't weight divisions in tennis because weight doesn't matter as much as boxing.
Serena gave her opinion on the subject too: "For me, men's tennis and women's tennis are completely, almost, two separate sports. If I were to play Andy Murray, I would lose 6-0, 6-0 in five to six minutes, maybe 10 minutes. No, it's true. It's a completely different sport. The men are a lot faster and they serve harder, they hit harder, it's just a different game. I love to play women's tennis. I only want to play girls, because I don't want to be embarrassed."
When she says it, nobody cares. McEnroe says essentially the same thing, everyone jumps on him.
I disagree with McEnroe. I think Serena's ranking would be much lower than 700 if she played on the men's tour.
Yeah about 699th
@@sharky4029 That's higher in the rankings
“If he had time to think about it, the real answer would be somewhere in the 100-200 rank range” WRONG!!! He was the greatest to play the game! He doesn’t need time to think about it like you do. That is where YOU would rank her.
Serena Williams wouldn't be able to beat a man inside the top 500. At least.
600 is generous
She was annihilated by #203 men's player. But that doesn't diminish her talent as the greatest women's player.
The news reporters were making opinions about something they know nothing about.
Now days anything that makes sense will be under attack.
yep, they want to kill reason and logic for hidden agendas and the one world order.
Love that
Yup we are watching it happening right in front of our eyes. We don’t call it marshal law anymore. It’s now known as plandemic....I meant pandemic
@@breakaway2x your reply says it all❤️🤝👍
only if its about women....lol
Activist: "You can't talk about Serena like that! reeeeeeeeeeeee"
Serena: "He's right though"
Atleast Serena is honest like everything she said was true like men are faster and more competitive than women and it’s a different game that’s why women don’t get paid as much as men’s sports because people want to watch the best
That wasn't always her tune until she got beat by a rank 203 Male player. She claimed she could beat any male outside the top 200. The rank 203 player took up the challenge and demolished her. That has to be a humbling experience.
That was after he had a couple of beers if that part of the story is true.
@@craigstephen3216 He also played a round of golf the morning before the match.
@@RuneKatashima well learning from a past expiernce is a good thing right?
McEnroe even stated that if he himself tried to play against the players now he would rank around 1500th...
Fact: In the 1998 Australian Open, Serena Williams claimed that she could beat a professional male tennis player with a ranking lower than 200. She ended up playing one set against Mr. Karsten Braasch, who was ranked/seeded 203 at the time. Serena Williams lost the set against Karsten Braasch 6-1.
To be fair, she was 17 years old at the time.
But libtards HATE facts.
@@adamm2787so when should she play AGAINST MEN?
She was at her physical peak and still lost
@@cliff311976 You think an athletes physical peak is 17?
@@adamm2787 what's your physical peak?
Or you never achieved that?
He told the truth and refused to apologize for telling the truth. Much respect
100% true, never apologize for saying the truth
Women: “Serena can be just as good as the top male players in the world!”
Serena: “oh FUCK nah I’m staying in the woman’s league.”
Lol, good choice Serena, stay in your lane girl
@@skinksinthecity girl?? Good assumption
@MDF 2 MDF 2 you are an idiot
@MDF 2 MDF 2 Which only hences his point much more, you aren't the brightest crayon in the box, are you?
@MDF 2 MDF 2 Jokes aside you know that Serena IS a woman not some transvestite or “sex change” person. There are a number of people like you who belittle Serena’s achievement by claiming she unfairly played in the womens’ game when she is a ( not so great) male player. Shame on you,I do not know what Serena has done to deserve the hate speech she gets. smh!
Many of my friends and I played tennis in our teens. Every time there was a close call on the line (we were almost always on hardcourt, never grass, and rarely clay), we would always launch into a McEnroe tirade: "What are you nuts ref. There was chalk everywhere. EVERYWHERE!" It was an homage to our favorite player at the time, though we also held Bjorn Borg and Jimmy Connors in high esteem from the earlier era. But no one had the "fight" like McEnroe
YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!
This is insane, JM didn't say anything wrong.
the team that won the women's soccer World Cup where beaten by 14 year old boys
Bruh really?
I believe the score was 7-1 u14 boys
but it probably ended 1 - 0 on penalty kicks
Yeah that’s true man , it happened to the Australian woman’s soccer team too.
Play 14 year old school boys team and lost 7-1 or even 7-0 I can’t remember exactly
USA female team list 5-2 to some u15 Dallas soccer Academy. They were world champions at the time. It just shows you can't cheat biology and whilst saying that I also thoroughly enjoy watching certain women sports especially winter and track etc
McEnroe’s great line was “why doesn’t men and women play each other for titles.” McEnroe is right! There is a big difference between men and women!
The politically correct want us to pretend there’s no difference between men and women. It’s complete nonsense. We know men have biological advantages which is why we have separate competitions in the first place.
Precisely
They can't compete at a physical sport equally but some so called sports they can.
Big difference yes but if a point system was created and given to grand slams on down to tournament wins even days ranked as number one player, then Mac is dead wrong.
@@garytortolo1492 I'm undefeated.....against my kids....I am the greatest!
Lets remember two things: 1) Billy Jean in 1973 was 29 years old. Bobby Riggs was 55 years old. Bobby Riggs in his prime was the #1 player in 1939. Age makes a big difference. 2) Serena herself admits that playing a top male player would be no contest. She gets it. But in our "woke" world, admitting anything to the contrary of wokeness gets you a target on your back.
The compare from 1973 King vs. briggs is insane. She was on her prime time and his prime was 30 years ago when they played against eachother. She was 29 and he was 55.
That between riggs and king was nothing more than a fake. You could tell riggs wasn't interested in winning. Plus he had just played 18 holes of golf. I seem to remember Jimmy Connors saying ill play her and ill beat her butt. But king new better than to play some one her own age.
If I remember correctly didnt Riggs only get 1 serve and have to play the singles lines while King got 2 serves and played the doubles lines?@@nick-rp2do
Riggs had just destroyed the #1 female player! With King the odds were lopsided in his favor, and he threw the match to earn$$$, he was a BIG degenerate gambler...
I find it insane that he has to justify his comments-
EVERYONE knows he´s right, and yet we find it necessary to play this charade.
Truly remarkable how fucked this world has become.
Not everyone and that's the issue.
Some people have been that brainwashed by feminist and gender propaganda that they believe that nonsense.
Some even asked in the media why there are men and women departments in sports and to remove these.
When people make fun of “woke culture”, this is the kind of thing they are referring to. I am all about progressing as a society but when totally legit comments like this “stir the pot” it makes it a lot harder to actually change the meaningful stuff.
Honestly man, idk if it's some sort of huge conspiracy or if there are in fact that many people that are so brain damaged to actually believe those claims. And I really can't understand why we even entertain them so much, we used to reject those type of retards, now modern society embraces them. Looks like ''survival of the fittest'' no longer applies.
@@Kolgart We’ve allowed people to remain in the gene pool far longer than they would have for many many years. And I’m not talking about race or any shit like that. I’m talking about stupid people. They would have fallen off bridges, electrocuted themselves, fucked a horse and got kicked in the head, but we went and put up guard rails all over society protecting the insipid from naturally dying off.
Amen
We aren't living in a sensitive time. We are living in an INSANE time with really CRAZY, contentious people.
Don't forget strung out on drugs
So listen to the facts and you will conclude that Serena is THE GOAT.
@@igorborisov8145 for female tennis***
@@sauce4897 yup
I've honestly never had more respect for any female athlete than when I first saw this clip a while back - her....unadulterated situational, REALISTIC awareness was so mind-blowingly refreshing that my level of awe for this woman (for KNOWING HERSELF....and, well, the WORLD) went up a million-fold. Easy.
Game, set, match: Serena.
Game, set, match: Truth.
I don't understand why everyone shy away from saying 'Men are physically stronger than Women', We cant live in foolish world thinking that both are equal in everything, they simply aren't..Its not hatred, its the truth..its simply because of harmones, post adolescence man's body releases high levels of testosterone, which improves the muscle strength of men and so more physical power.
I think he could have easily refuted the conversation instead of this 700th thing by simply saying she isn't the best player in the world, Roger Federer, or Nadal or whoever the men's champion is.. Then it would have been on the NPR clown to dispute it.
I respect Serena for admitting the truth in her interview
That interview was a while before the McEnroe statement. Serena later jumped on the bandwagon and attacked McEnroe on twitter.
The letterman thing was long before the JMac stuff "Keep my name out your mouth" was her response to him actually...par for the course from that spoiled entitled asshat of an athlete she got EMBARRASSED by the 203 ranked guy who drank 2 beers and smoked a pack of darts before the match...destroyed her and her sister as a matter of fact.
@@marvinkline5667 She's always been a crybaby on and off the court. ruclips.net/video/XQg34J9mDvA/видео.html
@@marvinkline5667 wasn’t that guy a chain smoker who played as a rank 600/700 to make it fair
@@chairmanmeow3693 especially when she called a ref or whatever it’s called sexist because she got called out for breaking her racket and talking smack to the ref
Bruh saying number 700th is already being respectful toward her
Exactly. She can be happy if placed in top 1000.
Lol she would be like an average club player
@@brianpitts922 they both lost someone ranked at 200. That guy played a round of golf then had two beers, then be both of them back to back. After they lost they said they could possibly beat someone ranked at 350.
@@c_b8s4 and braasch stated that he played like a 600th ranked player against williams sisters just to make it interesting, otherwise it would just be 6:0
There is absolutely no way that Serena would be ranked in the top 1000 men. Not a chance. Any guy playing singles for a top division one college would destroy Serena
So glad you included the mixed doubles. What is missing is the audio, but she says it to Letterman … the men are faster.
John McEnroe who was the best tennis player in the world during the eighties was always known to be a very honest person. He is also very smart and I have a deep respect for his analysis and his view on the tennis world.
Why be politically correct when you can be right. Good job John McEnroe.
He lie. Hopefully anyone who can't be politically correct will be jailed.
@@789uio6y lmfao calm down snowflake. Look at the trans female swimmer, not exactly fair to the females who were born female.
Because political correctness insulates us from realities of life. No one gets their feelings hurt. It's like participation trophies.
@@789uio6y Well F you too, and boo hoo... Yep, I'm not being politically correct..
@@789uio6yidiot
Johnny Mac was right. The number 1 "woman" lost to a man ranked 203.
True true! 700th rank is about right too...
When she was a teenager not even 18 and nowhere near her peak.
@@angelalmanza2179 She was 16 when she won the Australian Open, one of the major events in tennis.
@@thomastessier4529 doesn’t matter, you know that wasn’t her peak. Honestly, she doesn’t need to beat the top guys, you’ll never get a point off her so I don’t know why you feel so high and mighty tbh 😆 😆 😆
She wasn't even just beaten, she was destroyed. 6-1 or 6-2 i believe
If women were as good as men at sport there would not be womens and mens sport there would just be sport.
I'm watching this video in 2022.........The worlds completely mad now!!
How can you say she'd be 100-200? She literally played against #203 and got skunked. 700 seems like a totally reasonable estimate.
Exactly, she wouldn’t even be ranked!
I mean she was 17 at the time, it’s not like she was at her peak
@@whateverreally1347 the drunk guy ranked 203 after playing a round of golf and clowning on the court certainly was at his peak best ;D
@@Damian-ho1yb He wasn't drunk FFS. you guys are such trolls.
@Mr Black Nobody ever manages to mention that women literally play with different equipment. Their balls have less fur on them to speed up the game.
When she asked him "why only the best female player?" there should only have been one answer from John . . .
"C'mon, you cannot be serious!"
Classic!
Why only the best female player?. Duh... Answer: Because she is a female. Not a male..
That'd be awesome!
Good one, DangerMouse.
Or he could have said "Nadal, Federer and Djokovich are obviously better".
Its just seem feminist women wants to be men so bad, while trans women are trying to replace them. This world is going down the drain
Don’t back down!
2:48 100-200 rank? No way. The male rankings go from 1 to 2,000. She would not be ranked at all.
I'm glad he didn't switch up and stuck to his statement.
Right, calmly. Positivly, intelligently. McEnroe knows what he's talking about, he got nothing to sell or to lose in that kind of absurd way of argumentating. He just sticks to what he feels true.
"She'd be ranked 100-200"
Didn't she lose against a drunk guy outside of the top 200?
He said he was playing like 500 so it would be fun.
He beat Serena and Venus the same day, back-to-back in 1998. Australian Open. In their prime.
She was only 16.
@@EpicMathTime
She started playing tennis as a toddler and became a pro player at 14. Won the U.S. open at 17.
Lebron James joined the NBA at 18.
Your inference that she was just a "kid" is misplaced.
He was ranked 304. And yeah he had a couple beers first.
This Charlie Rose is a piece of work.
Let’s break this down more simply. When I have an argument with my wife, there usually is no benefit to being right and hammering that home. Sometimes even though you’re right, you need to keep that information to yourself, or suffer the consequences. In the case of the wife it may be sleeping on the couch. In the case of John McEnroe it may be public backlash. Think about it, playing tennis is a Socratic posture. You are advancing as well as defending, and we all know John McEnroe loves a good volley, even if it’s defending his statements.
When she agrees with him, and people are still upset that’s the beginning of virtue signaling.
@The Monster Under Your Bed No, the
virtue is the beginning of the signaling.
It’s denying reality . Facts don’t matter anymore ! Stop this planet , I want to get off!!!
And those who are upset don't even play tennis. They just want to be included and level with everything for no damn reason
Thank you, John McEnroe, for TELLING THE TRUTH, and for NOT BACKING DOWN. All respect, Sir!
He never shirked a challenge on the court, and had the balls to stand up to these woke lunatics.
@@DavidSmith-fs5qj she lost 6-1 to 203rd man in the world
To be clear, it’s not a different game. It’s the same game only elevated by higher strength agility and speed. Hence fewer sets for women’s matches and a shorter rally count per point.
I am a top 25 tennis player at a humble recreational club of 300 players.
I have played and beaten our number 1 woman as a top 25 man twice.
In Australia Williams sisters said they could beat any man outside the top 200. A local pro, ranked 203, took them up on the challenge. After playing a round of golf in the morning and a couple beers, he beat each of the Williams sisters 6-1, 6-1. Granted they both improved after that, but John was certainly correct that she was the best "female" tennis player ever.
I think with the other sister it was 6-2
@@nikhpaints yeah, Venus was 6-2. But she is the older sister and ar the time was the better player. They were both in their late teens, I think Venus may have been 20-21 at the time.
5 years later, when Serena was in her athletic prime, I reckon she might have won a couple more games but at 19, she wasnt ever going to do well against a man in his prime.
That was back when they were both young and arrogant.
@@stevearnold2456 yes and then they grew up and got better also smart enough to never make any claim of that sort again cause they were never sure about what no. to pick. What if we claim 2000 and a guy ranked 2200 beats us they thought. Better to keep shut they thought.
@@jamesrodry4364 She was honest with Letterman.
Chris Evert when she was in her prime said about beating male players, "I can't even beat my brother and he's not ranked in the top 1000." McEnroe was being generous and Serena thought the idea of beating the top men was a complete joke. So, not a controversy as much as the networks have 24 hours to fill up every day, so they scrounge around for stories.
The issue really isn't "John McEnroe vs Serena Williams" but "John McEnroe vs Serena Williams superfans." Which is a bigger problem, Serena is an intelligent women and fans are nuts ...
The thing is, it doesn't even get past the serve for the most part. There are plenty of amateur men, not ranked at all, who would embarrass the Williams sisters if they actually played hard against them.
@Sean Dent: _"... not a controversy as much as the networks have 24 hours to fill up every day, so they scrounge around for stories."_
Actually, not a controversy except in the mind of a CBS ultra-feminist who can't stand to hear a man say anything she deems to be negative about a woman.
John was being nice. The reality is we could find a 100 high school players that would beat her. She wouldn't be in the top 1000.
There is a reason why in mixed doubles, there is a gentleman's agreement not to hit the ball as hard as possible at the woman.
100th to 200th? my guy, she's not beating the boy's highschool team.
Chris Evert had just won the U.S. Open. She was number one in the world. She played a practice round with her younger brother Jon was a member of the University 😮of Georgia tennis team
Jon beat her, 6-0 6-0!
Was it ever John McEnroe VS Serena? He and she pretty much agreed.
Yeah but other unqualified people have to make this an issue because they have nothing better to do
@@Blorbifink Serena also jumped on the bandwagon and attacked McEnroe on twitter.
As far as I can tell it was McEnroe vs political correctness with Serena Williams just being an emotional face for the argument.
I still think despite McEnroe being about 60 he'd still beat Serena Williams today.
God Almighty is KING and we need to pray to Jesus Christ of Nazareth and the Holy Spirit and give all the glory to God Almighty.
100-200 rank range is pretty outrageous. Do we not remember when that dude spent all day drinking and playing golf and still mopped the floor with the williams sister. And he was below rank 200.
203 lol
Good memory. That guy was ranked 203 when he beat Serena 6-1 and Venus 6-2, at the Aussie Open in 1998. He then stated he was playing so badly that he would probably be ranked about 350th on the ATP tour when the rankings came out in the next week.
@@thomasluby1754 he also had been drinking beer when he beat them and said he played at a quality of a 600th rank player. They're great in the female circuit, but they can't play to save their lives in the men's. It's like when people thought Rhonda could fight guys at 135, it's fucking idiotic
He drank a couple beers the night before, he was not drunk when he played serena and venus
Are we talking about Karsten Braasch?
John's balls are still intact. He's still spitting facts and being real.
MPR News needs to be held accountable for the set up on Macenroe... NO ONE SHOULD TALK TO ANY REPORTER FROM THAT NEWS FEED.
The best WNBA player of all time would literally lose to 15 year old boys in a 1v1
Tbf women's football teams regularly get thrashed by 15 year olds and to a person who doesn't watch much football they actually look pretty good playing it.
The best WNBA player and HS girls player culd beat me in basketball.
i can also beat every guy in wrestling.
guys and girls is not equal
also guys and guys is not equal.
i hate people who thinks they accomplish something because they is the same race or gender of someone who won something.
i bet you and 90% cant beat a WNBA player. most white boys is slow ang googy WNBA player is already better than 90% of them.
Sometimes i feel like if i have 10 friends of mine (who r best in my personal experience) i could win the fifa women world cup.
@@muhammadrishad7457 no chance honestly. The women's football is actually decent in some way. They would still get beat by 16 year old academy players but still...
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From the 300+ languages in the world, he decides to speak the truth.
That gentleman got my respect for life
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Just saying there is over 1400 languages
James ok thanks for the info
There are actually close to 2,000 spoken languages / dialects in the world
Could be surprising only in the US i guess.
People have to call things the way they are and NEVER apologize for hurting someone's "feelings". Sticks and Stones... Bravo McEmroe
1:19 Anyone explain to that guy that "not being able to beat the 700th ranked player" and "be ranked 700" is far from the same!
If you cannot beat the 700th ranked player at all you'll probably be ranked 1500 or worse.
I hate when reporters do this.
The simple fact that there is a men's and women's division in just about every sport is all the evidence you need.
Men and women could compete against each other in my favourite sport, cricket, but that's an exception.
@@ajs41 LOL, I used to play cricket, you're joking right?
@@CIMO13 No, it's common for girls who are very good at cricket to play in boy's teams. A lot of the current women's England cricket team played in boy's teams when they were growing up. The national team also plays against men's teams in order to improve themselves. For instance on RUclips I was just watching a video of the England women's team playing the British Air Force men's cricket team. Here it is: ruclips.net/video/ZQ21w_jGI78/видео.html
@@ajs41 Imagine any woman facing Shaoib Akhtar or Brett Lee in their prime, it would be suicide.
@@CIMO13 he is drunk...... don't mind him
Tbh him saying she would be top 1000 in the world In men's is kind of a compliment.
Some people cant handle the truth.
Facts don't care about feelings 😁👍
Yes, trump judges certainly proved this to be true...
@@buckchile614 What does this video have to do with Trump?
@@noless Look at the comment that I was responding to and then look up the definition of analogy. You're welcome. It is written
True bro
@@noless Quite right??? What is this video got to do with conservative judges???
He is absolutely right, and anyone thinking otherwise never heard the NPR interview. I did.
It highlights the disconnect between radio and tv personalities and athletes. Athletes know of what they speak certainly more than someone behind a desk!
In most team or individual sports women would easily loose to men, whether it is tennis, basketball, football (soccer) etc. I´m certain that if the US Women Soccer Team played against Argentina (both reining world champions) they would get embarrassed. It´s a fact, no one is downplaying women´s sports, it´s just ridiculous to expect women to be able to compete with men.
"Okay, you happy now?"
"Yes, I'm happy."
See? It's all about the _feelings_ with these people.
Wow literally
More realistically 900-1200.
i was so wrong about 100-200 lol. Yes it's more 700-1200
@@breakaway2x Yeah... Great player; nasty attitude.
@@darrellkramer8097 I think she had to fight hard to deal with it. Also a lot of media probably provoked her and "poked the bear" as she was always under a lot of scrutiny and attention. I don't think it's easy for us to know the kind of pressure they deal with everyday being a famous tennis player. I give her a lot more slack.
@@breakaway2x She has to be the rudest celebrity I ever met.
@@darrellkramer8097 wow u met her??
Last year, some kids won the Little League World Series. They're obviously top 100 baseball players in the world!
We live in such an “equality” based society that we’ve abandoned common sense and even reality.
You said she will be ranked between 100 and 200? Thats unfortunately not true. It will be hard to win against well trained top 1.000 for serena or any ranked #1 in wta.
And its not just about height, its more about agility, endurance and strength.
I think I was being too generous. Yes, I would change it to more like 500-1000th ranking leaning closer towards 1000.
@@breakaway2x yeah a long time ago she played against world number 203 and it wasn’t even close.
@@hamzaabbaszaidi8788 that was very telling yes
What a BS, she wouldn´t even win against No. 7000 of mens ranking-list, if such a list would excist. McEnroe sayed this nonsense only, because he knew about all this feminismn-shit in TV. I know personally some ex-professionals in the age of over 40, she has not even a chance against these guys, even if she would be completly doped. Please awake, Female and male-tennis are 2 compete different planets !
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Does everyone have to explain everything he believes. I am glad he stood his ground and didn’t apologize for saying a fact.
I'm a cricket fan and the interesting thing about cricket is that men and women can compete against each other in every aspect of the game except fast bowling. Everything else - batting, medium-pace bowling, spin bowling, fielding, wicketkeeping - they can compete with each other.
Mac and Serena were both right- both players, and not “cancel culture” robots...
exactly, people need to listen to the actual pros (John Mac and Serena), and stop listening the phonies in the media who only push their agendas.
I remember when McEnroe was asked the question where he thought the number one womans player would rank on the mens tour when he was ranked in the top 5 on tour, he answered the reporter with " I don't think the rankings go that high " smiled and walked away.
Except that time after that match a little while back where serena flipped out at the ref and used the race & sex cards inappropriately. That being said, I think she was just having a bad moment and heated emotions got the best of her.
I'm never hitting 'read more' ever after this one 🤞
I don't think Serena could beat the NCAA Men's Champion much less the one of the top 700 on the ATP...
I know this is off topic but does anyone else hear the SPACE TRIP vaporwave playlist in the background or am I going crazy? 🤔
There is always someone or that women on that show that had to ask John why do you say women and not the greatest player. John is absolutely right because mens sport in anything is so much harder and more hardcore than women's sport. Just look at Rugby, Soccer, AFL if you're in Australia, it doesn't come close to what men are able to do compared to women.
I'm glad he didn't back down. And I give Williams credit to point out the fact there's a difference to the capabilities in their respective divisions.
100% credit to Serena for being honest and telling it like it is. That's why I respect Serena.
She and her sister talked about how they could beat any man outside the top 50 the guy who no one remembers his name and ranked 203 crushed her 6-2 and Venus 6-1 after drinking 2 beers and smoking a half deck of cigarettes. Then they said they could beat anybody outside the top 250 she's been challenged and ducked since then. You are high if you think shed rank in the top 500
@@marvinkline5667 I actually give the Williams sisters credit for having the guts to do it. Most people would back down from a challenge or a risk. I have more respect for them as women that they actually tried and faced a male pro.
the start of the problem was actually the interviewer's assumption that Serena, because she is a woman, is automatically equal to a man on a tennis court and that there are no performance differences between the two sexes!
that is just ignorant and indicates the NPR interviewer knows little, or nothing, about tennis. oh, and then she is willing to arrogantly argue with JOHN MCENROE, one of the greatest to ever play the sport and who follows it daily, about the subject?
i think all this happened as the interviewer's ignorance/arrogance may have led her to question McEnroe's inclusion of 'female' in his statement, thinking that he was somehow being sexist. in actuality, though, she may be the one demeaning feminism by turning people off via her needlessly militant stance.
of course there are differences between men and women, although one sex should certainly NOT be seen in the aggregate as superior to another!
so, yeah, the interviewer was actually the problem and then ignorance/bullying of McEnroe by society actually amplified that stupidity, helped, no doubt, by McEnroe's reputation (pretty much left behind now) for being insensitive.
come to think of it, maybe the interviewer should learn a little about tennis before debating one of the greatest players ever regarding his conclusions on the subject? is that asking too much? is that at all unreasonable, i wonder?
or, if she doesn't want to do that, at least she can have the decency to apologize for her imputation that McEnroe was being sexist, as well as the arrogant presumption that she knows more than John McEnroe does about tennis?
i don't want to go overboard here... there is nothing wrong with asking a question, of course. some, though, are certainly more pointed than others! i'm guessing there was an ignorant agenda there...
if not, she has nothing to apologize for.
there may be a way to tell, though. how did she act afterwards towards McEnroe when this all blew up, i wonder? did she demonstrate integrity by recognizing McEnroe's honesty, his long history of respect towards Serena's game and other facts that would help people not jump to the wrong conclusion about what he said?
maybe.
i see no mention of that in this piece, though. and that doesn't surprise me as people, in general (no matter their sex), don't often display such integrity.
maybe we, the general public, will never know what her part in all this really was, then. she could be innocent and just intellectually, as well as morally, sloppy like so many of us are on so many occasions...
it, at the end of the day, isn't a very big deal, though - not for McEnroe who certainly is going along his merry way, nor (apparently) for Serena. the game of tennis is probably totally unharmed by it, too.
however, it should be said that unreasoning militant sexism, if that is what started this fiasco and fueled it, actually probably harms the feminist cause more than anything. it is a form of bullying and bullies don't typically make many friends, even of fair-minded people who otherwise could be potential allies...
so, come on, people!
we need to be better than this, don't we?
advocate for equality but do it in the right way. treat other people well, especially when they are not trying to cause you a problem,. that is just common sense...
nailed it on the head 100%!!!
Nice novel 👍
I didnt see the interview, but I think it's not an odd question if the NPR woman thinks that 'greatest' has another meaning than 'best'. In that sense McEnroe could've just answered 'because to be the greatest you have to be the best in the game'.
In other words, aren't you being too hard for the interviewer? :)
Simon Teeninga:
so, an NPR interviewer who is talking about the best tennis players all of a sudden needs to have 'greatest' defined by the interviewee? interesting. i think the more likely explanation is that you tend to put your head in the sand a lot.
The reporter is an idiot. And because she's an idiot John, like he will, served up some nasty, sarcastic, truth. He probably should have said 500?
100 to 200 range. No his guess at 700 is way more accurate :)
*Women’s World Record* 100m dash = FloJo = *10.49s*
*Last place* (9th) high school boys Texas state UIL 100m dash 2021 = *10.39s* (1st was 9.998)
So the best female sprinter of all time on her absolute best day would be well out of the top 700 male sprinters in the world.
"Living in a sensitive time"? We're living in a time of delusional, irrational twisted feelings. No rational thought on most so called "offenses".
More like "offensive to men time".
We're entering a new Dark Age wherein truth and reason is being traded for feelings and identity politics.
the battle for minds is the greatest battle
Disgusting
End times: When good is bad and evil is good
Cozzie, you said it perfectly, well done.
Truth becomes hate speech era. Upside down world we're in. Obey, Conform, Comply and Consume. Hmmm, sounds like the movie They Live.
Can Serena please tell Gail cause shes in la la land with her opinion on men vs women
Women want total equality as long as they get to say what is equal. As told to me by a devoted female supporter of equality: “I support equality 100%, just as long as it serves my purpose. When that check comes to the table, I don’t want to pay it”
Snowflakes everywhere. Even when it’s summer.
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John McEnroe and Serena Williams respect each other. They were both just stating what is a fact. But the media likes to turn everything into a controversy (racial, sexist, etc.).
@jake mr honest David Letterman appearance: ruclips.net/video/ezwjJxXS718/видео.html
@jake mr honest I do remember seeing a snippet of the interview. In conclusion, it's really the know nothings saying things that are really nonsense, and then another know nothings would pick it up an regurgitate it until it became a "fact".
Bottom line is don't take those talking heads seriously. They know nothing. But are assigned to talk about something everyday.
Did you know McEnroe along with Navratilova publicly tried to shame Margaret Court the great Australian female tennis player at the Australian Open tennis tournament because her religion didn't believe in same sex marriage. They paraded around the tournament with signs partitioning for the arena named after her to be re named, it was extremely disrespectful of them both. By the way Court holds the record number of Grand Slam women's singles titles, you know the one Serena can't equal or break but the msm still say Serena is the greatest ever? Margaret also won 19 Grand Slam doubles and 21 Grand Slam mixed doubles titles.
@@peterbulloch4328 does any of that dribble have to do with the point of the video? Or are just out social justice warrioring?
@@therobert9521 just think of facts as education not dribble and the whole point of my post seeing though you can't seem to connect the dots is the American msm touts Serena as being the greatest tennis player of all time, men and women when she hasn't even betten or equaled Margaret Courts 24 Grand Slam singles titles. I guess if Margaret was black not white it would be a different story. Secondly McEnroe totally dumped shit on and disrespected a great Australian female tennis player without a murmer from the American media whilst was pressured and criticised heavily by them for suggesting Serena couldn't match it against the men and called her the greatest female tennis player ever. Hope you are a more informed Cuck after being educated with some more facts.....again. I also feel sorry for you when someone giving factual information makes you think they are a vicious WARRIOR....there there everything will be just fine, think up a lame insult to write and your sick mind will feel aalllright.
Look at Deedsy hanging out with McEnroe!
Only in horse racing can a girl be the best horse in a race against the boys!!! And that’s amazing in itself!!!!
She lost to the 204th ranked male, and she was destroyed by him, so we know she's not in the top 200. She said she meant she could beat any male outside 350, but I think she couldn't beat any of the top 500 men!!
John wasn't lying at all. The question was greatest of "all time." I'm sure there are far more than 700 men that have taken the court that would beat Serina.