But there's no such thing as a successful standalone movie in current year. It made money one time, they have to try to milk it for more money! And they'll keep doing it until it stops making money!
What the fuck did that even mean? Someone asks that exact question out loud, in the movie. But there is not even a hint of a deeper meaning anywhere in sight.
It was never supposed to be funny. It's literally a story abut a mentally ill guy who has suffered a ton of abuse and loss etc. This sequel really does a good job finishing his life and story, idk what people expected. I thought it was great.
@@AdamDoesMoviesPeeps in Hollywood are afraid of A.I taking over, film makers losing their jobs, etc. If going Full-A.I avoids "sequels" like this? Then i'm on-board! An A.I would have probably done a better job than Todd Philips, and cost almost nothing. A "Hollywood Skynet", if you will. Delivering great films again (and not nukes lol).
@@Gametester110-qf8vs I dont think the A.I. will be any better. The people engineering it are infecting it with the same wokeness that ruined Hollywood. But once its accessible enough and render times are manageable enough that people can basically make their own movies it will be awesome.
@@lanalan4157Maybe it's because i've never seen Taxi Driver or king of comedy. So for my first exposure to that kind of movie, the first Joker flick was PURE GOLD.
I wasnt really. A lot of the events happening were beyond Arthur's control and his actions were of his own choosing. No one forced him to stop taking his meds, no one forced him to kill and no one forced him to shoot murrray or act the fool on the show. I get society treated him poorly, its just that arthur's reactions were within his control and he choose poorly.
So you see movies based on other people's opinions about them? There's lots of movies people hate that I love. Besides this isn't a review, it's a rant.
My concept for a real sequel, much better than the garbage we got: Title: Joker: Love and Chaos Concept Overview: In this sequel, we dive deeper into the chaotic psyche of Arthur Fleck (Joker) as he breaks out of Arkham Asylum, setting the stage for a violent and provocative exploration of love, fame, and the media's complicity in violence. Plot Synopsis: After spending time in Arkham, Arthur has become an enigmatic figure, with his actions on the streets of Gotham having ignited a wave of chaos and a cult-like following. Meanwhile, Harley Quinn, previously a psychiatrist at Arkham, has embraced her own identity as a chaotic force, having been inspired by Arthur’s infamous persona. Act 1: The Escape - **Opening Scene:** The film opens with Arthur in Arkham, where his mental state has deteriorated further. He becomes obsessed with the media’s portrayal of him. Meanwhile, Harley is introduced as a rebellious inmate, using her charm to manipulate the guards. - **The Breakout:** Arthur orchestrates a daring escape, using a combination of cunning and violence. As he breaks free, he inadvertently saves Harley from an abusive guard, and they forge an immediate, chaotic bond. Act 2: The Road Trip - **On the Run:** Arthur and Harley embark on a cross-country journey, leaving a trail of mayhem in their wake. Their goal is to reach a media hub in New York, where they plan to broadcast their manifesto of chaos and love to the world. - **Media Manipulation:** The duo captures the attention of the media, which sensationalizes their story, turning them into anti-heroes. They become a modern-day Bonnie and Clyde, provoking debates about morality, violence, and celebrity culture. - **Psychological Tension:** As they grow closer, Arthur’s darkness begins to clash with Harley’s whimsical chaos. Their relationship oscillates between love and manipulation, raising questions about the nature of their bond. Act 3: The Climax - **The Broadcast:** They finally reach a major television network, planning a live broadcast to share their philosophy. However, their intentions turn darker as they hold the crew hostage, leading to a violent confrontation. - **The Chaos Unleashed:** In a shocking twist, Arthur reveals that his goal isn’t just fame but to incite a revolution against societal norms. As the broadcast goes live, they unleash a wave of violence on the streets of Gotham, encouraging viewers to embrace their inner chaos. - **The Fallout:** The film culminates in a tragic and explosive climax, where Arthur and Harley face the consequences of their actions. The screen fades to black as the world reacts to the chaos, leaving viewers questioning the morality of glorifying violence. Themes: - **Love and Destruction:** The film explores the toxic nature of love when intertwined with violence, questioning whether true love can exist in chaos. - **Media and Morality:** A critique of the media's role in shaping narratives around violence and celebrity culture, challenging viewers to consider their complicity. - **Identity and Transformation:** Both characters grapple with their identities, showcasing how trauma can warp one’s sense of self. Conclusion: "Joker: Love and Chaos" serves as a controversial examination of modern society, pushing boundaries and inviting audiences to confront uncomfortable truths about love, violence, and the nature of fame. The film ends ambiguously, leaving viewers to ponder the legacy of Arthur and Harley in a world hungry for chaos.
Not bad. Them taking over the New York station would have been an ingenious way to actually incorporate the musical numbers into the story and could have led to more depictions of chaos as thier numbers get repeatedly interrupted by authorities, which instigates the mob to retaliate in acts of greater violence. You could also have had Harvey Dent as the main foil who nearly gets killed after a targeted hit directed by the Joker. I may be in the minority but I actually liked the bleak ending to this movie, but didn't care for the overall execution. Harley could have met her end by the unruly mob when she tries to steal the spotlight from the Joker, which causes the Joker so much grief that he decides to kill his character off in spectacular fashion. At the very end you could have revealed that Arthur Fleck managed to survive his suicide attempt and offers little resistance when finally being captured, but then starts to laugh when he's beaten by the guards.
Believe it or not, some people might actually have "their own opinion". I never accepted that this weakling(Arthur Fleck) could be the ACTUAL Joker, so when it turned out it wasn't supposed to be him but rather the movement that he started then I was RELIEVED. It makes complete sense to me, but that's cuz I may still have some critical thinking skills left 🤷
@@TheFBoner, with your critical thinking skills, do you comprehend how both 'Joker' movies wasted the audiences' time then since Arthur is not the real Joker?
@@TorontoJon Yes, I can comprehend that point of view and I agree. I went into this movie expecting this version of the Joker to be the one we were ALL wanting to see. As it turns out, it wasn't. And that's fine by me, cuz Arthur Fleck was never gonna be Joker in my eyes anyway. For me, the ultimate Joker will be Heath Ledger's until something better comes along. However, I still appreciated Joker 2 for being more about the "Joker Madness" than the Joker himself. I was simply responding to your accusation that I am a liar for liking the movie.
In the first film, what is the first gesture that Zazie Beets makes to Arthur, when he's imagining her as his girlfriend? --' Fingers as gun-to-the-head.' In Joker 2, what's the first gesture that Lee (Gaga) makes to Arthur? --'Fingers as gun-to-the-head.' This is the key: Lee is NOT REAL. She is an imaginary girlfriend that Arthur has dreamt-up this time for his super ego (Joker), whereas last time he dreamt-up a girlfriend for himself. Why is Lee able to "go wherever she wants" and do whatever she wants? Why does this hot, rich woman want to meet him, screw him and have his baby? -Is she too good to be true? -Well yes, she is too good to be real, because she's NOT REAL. Why does the movie start with a cartoon? -Is it something just for a review critic to make fun of? -Or is it KEY to understanding that the vast majority of Joker 2 exists in Arthur's twisted head? -There is a scene near the end, where we see him and the other inmates in the community room, watching a TV upon which...A CARTOON PLAYS. Those who don't like this movie DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. It's NOT a superhero film, just like the first one wasn't a superhero film. Is the Joker even real? Or is it the persona that twisted, pathetic Arthur Fleck DREAMS that he could be? -Did he really kill Murray, and did the entire city become crazed Joker imitators? -Or are WE the viewers 'nuts' for thinking that that could happen in this realistically-played drama of a psychotic loser? 🤔
Joker is a remake of Taxi Driver in an age when Producers will only give you money if you have a comic tie in Why did Joker do well? Taxi Driver was already good so how could it not? Joker 2 is what would happen if someone said "Hey you want your next movie made? Make a Joker 2, we're offering 2% world wide box office and the movie budget will be 3 times higher and we'll fund your next movie too"
Not to mention you would feel like shit all the time, even if you can afford it. I used to be a smoker, and I could feel it the next day when I smoked a lot, usually when I went to a bar that allowed smoking inside. Nobody could do that every day. It's just to illustrate that they're a smoker, most filmmakers have abandoned subtlety. They have to make sure you know by making sure they're always smoking in every scene.
@@MasonGrant0704 Thank you! I see people all the time begging for money, begging the bus driver to ride the bus for free because they "forgot their pass" and a truckload of other BS but seem to have a carton of smokes. It disgusts me, as does smoking btw. I cannot believe THAT is what @willstrickland is stuck on. LOL JK
I need a video that's just Adam doing different Joker / Dumb & Dumber laughs for 10 minutes. The dude could teach a freakin' seminar on this subject, his mock laughing game is that strong.
This is what art looks like. You don't get what you wanted, nor expected. Anything else is entertainment for the masses. Like it or not. 140 minutes?! Get the f.....
JOKER 2 : about as much fun as gargling a bucket of cold vomit....the first film made over a billion, there are over a billion reasons why this second film should NEVER have been made. They lost me at " Musical ". Which studio Exec greenlit this hot garbage ? I hope heads will roll. The second film could have even better than the first with society rioting and in revolt, looking at the joker for their leader, it could have been the ultimate revenge film on the establishment, as Joker tears down the pillars of civilization, watching the rich and entitled burn, but no, they decided to make a Lady ga ga musical on crack. Good luck with that, lol
I think going in people had way to many expectations for what..this film should have been. I don't get the confusion that Arthur Fleck was a mentally sick...confusion individual..that used the Joker persona or alter ego...to protect Arthur from the troubles in his life. He was never a psycho killer truly, just a scared confused individual. Plain and simple.
Unnecessary sequel but I felt it was a logical conclusion to Arthur Fleck's sad and tragic life. I like the film's themes about sensationalism. People wanted a Joker movie but got an Arthur Fleck movie and I think that was the point.
Paying to watch this movie is the equivalent to paying todd Philips to spit in your face. You genuinely have to gaslight someone into thinking their wrong for expecting the joker in a joker movie just to argue the ending is Good
My bro fell asleep in the theater for the first one. It so so was boring. Won’t waste my time/money on this one. Happy for any who do enjoy it though!! 🔥
Yes Todd Phillips never cared about the source material beyond some nods and name value. He said countless times that this Noker was just a mentally ill dude who was depressed not a super villian he was never fighting Batman this Joker wouldn't even be able to fight an average dude lol. I tried to tell fans this on twitter for years after the first movie that this wasn't comic Joker I realized that after watching Joker 2019 literally 1 time. But fans kept saying whens he going to fight Batman when does he become a master criminal give us a sequel I kept saying guy that isnt who this Joker is but they kept saying I was ridiculous and that it could work. Looks like I got the last laugh here 🤣
oh, i just realized - Lee is what Todd Phillips thinks of the FEMALE fans of the first Joker movie. "He's just edgy and hot - i just like the surface-level stuff without ever thinking about the actual MAN"
Were they trying to say the guy at the end in the background becomes the Heath Ledger joker? I don’t think they should be trying to hijack his joker, bad enough they’ve ruined this joker for us. In my opinion. This review is better than the movie thank you 😊
I gotta say. This totally hasn't been a good year for the Clown Prince Of Crime. First his DLC content in Suicide Squad Kill The Justice League. And now this.
Okay, so I was watching this while I was creating and editing files for work, and I burst out laughing at your singing "we're gonna build a moutainnnnnnnnnnn?????". Priceless.
The Joker: An Idea, Not Just a Person in Joker: Folie à Deux In the world of comics, the Joker is often considered the ultimate adversary of the superhero Batman. However, behind this famous character, deeper questions emerge about the evolution of the Joker and the nature of his madness. Looking at recent cinematic interpretations, especially in Joker: Folie à Deux (2024) directed by Todd Phillips, an important question arises: Is the Joker as we know him today the one who invented the idea of the Joker, or was this identity refined by a more psychopathic individual? Arthur Fleck, the character played by Joaquin Phoenix in the first film, is seen as the origin of the madness that defines the Joker. However, he is also a fragile, troubled character due to painful life experiences and deep inner pain. In this interpretation, Fleck is the precursor to a bigger idea - the idea of the Joker - but he does not embody it in its most dangerous form. Fleck is a broken man, and although his actions defy social norms, he remains psychologically and emotionally fragile. His version of the Joker is an explosion of pain and despair, sparking chaos, but it is not a complete embodiment of madness. In contrast, the "real" Joker, as often portrayed in comics and other films, is a full-blown psychopath. This Joker is not driven solely by personal pain, but by a cold desire for destruction. He is a criminal genius, calculated and devoid of emotion. In this framework, he surpasses the raw idea of the Joker, transforming it into a symbol of chaos and destruction. This concept offers an interesting dimension in the portrayal of the character: the Joker as an idea, a force of nature, rather than just an individual. In this context, the Joker is not confined to one person or one embodiment. It is madness that can be passed on and amplified, a mental illness that spreads and evolves, and each new incarnation of the Joker can become more dangerous than the previous one. Fleck, in this case, is the first carrier of this idea, but another psychopath, with the ability to manipulate and spread chaos with frozen precision, becomes the true Joker. This interpretation adds a deeper and more complex layer to understanding the Joker's character, revealing that the Joker is not just a single individual, but an idea that can develop and divide, becoming more threatening with each new incarnation.
"Folie a poo-poo!" Chum brought that joke over from the non-spoiler review! LOL! Him breaking into song....LOL!!! I'm eating chili at Wendy's, cracking up!! This episode was hilarious!!! Why doesn't the chum have more views like some boring as swell guy who reviews movies but always gets stuck, man??? I don't know.
This is the best review I’ve seen of all, I’m subscribing and turning on the notification bell. I didn’t want to watch the movie to keep the memory of the first one, but I couldn’t resist, and I just saw it, and oh my god. It turned out to be worse than anything I’d heard, a disaster. The songs are a disaster, the story is a disaster, I totally agree with what you said about New York, god, this is Gotham City. How far do you want to go, Todd? I hate the character ‘Lee’ because I love Harley Quinn from the comics, and from the animated series, movies, and games, but I wasn’t expecting the same one as in Suicide Squad, I already knew this version was different, but it’s a disaster. And if this is a movie called JOKER, it’s not even about the JOKER because SPOILER that guy at the end isn’t even Heath's or Azzarello’s Joker, no sir. A total waste, and unfortunately, it makes me hate it because the first one moved me in theaters, but this movie, oh my god, it’s garbage. I agree 100% with everything you said, and you even missed details that it’s fine you forgot because they’re honestly garbage. This "joke" is a 1/10. Also a Joker movie with 0 kills , my god.
I don't think the ending is stupid to be honest! Arthur Fleck was already much to old to be the Joker we know with Batman still being years away from entering the scene! Well yeah it may be bad, but i will watch it anyway!
@@Wheretheportlandorarealadiesat He is near 50 with Batman still being years away! This movie has no significant time jump and more or less starts off where the last movie ended and in the first movie Bruce was just a little boy!
Who are these mythical Joker 2 praisers? Who?! I've seen reviews from all around the world - seems like Everyone hates it, and it's doing badly at the box office, globally.
I'll praise the film, possibly, after I hear as to how/why some decisions were made. Particularly what the actual reason was for the subtitle. There's an obvious reason and perhaps a meta reason
May have mentioned this under your other video, but I think this movie had so much fuckin potential to be this really unique drama/thriller/musical that's basically never been done before. It should've been relatively easy to create these situations where Joker and Harley are experiencing these shared delusions that happen to involve musical numbers, with the musical numbers being part and parcel to the actual plot of the movie so that it doesn't just take you out of it. Have him start to commit more crimes and stuff and start kinda embracing this new image - but then you could cut back to the actual reality where shit's actually still fucked for Joker and Harley, and they just escape into these delusions. That'd be pretty fuckin easy to do, but instead Todd Phillips wanted to subvert expectations (possibly on purpose just as a "fuck you" to the audience). Coming from the guy who did Hangover Part 3, I don't know why I had such high hopes... From the start, this should've just been its own IP and not called itself Joker - have it just be this random dude with issues who commits these crimes, becomes recognized, goes to jail, goes to court, etc. I mean, that's pretty much what happened. There are only a few things that really tie him into the known IP, so why bother? I guess just because known IPs get butts in seats, but I think the first Joker still would've made close to a billion even if you called it something else because it was just a good movie with interesting themes. This could be a continuation of that and just remove the ties to the actual Joker, and less people would be pissed off about it - though the movie still needed to be better in general. To be honest, I haven't actually seen the movie yet and I'm just basing this opinion on the various reviews I've heard. But is it true that the Joker at the end is meant to be the equivalent of Heath Ledger's Joker, or are people only saying that because he cut Arthur's mouth? If that's the only reason, it could easily just be Phillips' interpretation of a general Joker who just happens to do something similar to what Ledger's Joker did. But maybe there's more to it and that's wrong. Obviously due to the different decade, it couldn't possibly be Ledger's Joker, so it'd be pretty dumb to try to explicitly hint that it is.
@@chrismasand2402 Yes, Sweeney Todd would be the most similar thing to my idea, but instead of having these dark and darkly humorous songs, this movie could've had entirely joyful, "standard" musical songs, but then keep cutting between the joyful songs and the bleak reality of Arthur Fleck's situation (which he doesn't realize because of all these delusions he shares with Harley, which cut him off from reality). And don't have the entire movie be a musical - maybe like 30-50% of the story could be told in musical numbers (maybe like half could be cover songs, with the other half being original songs that either directly reference whatever's happening in the scene, and/or explicitly drive the character's development), while the rest of the movie is just a straight drama/thriller. I don't think that's really been done before, at least not for a whole movie. It would've been a slam dunk. I still think someone could make that movie, and just shouldn't try to tie it into any known IP - or if they do tie it into something else, make the character/story at least somewhat recognizable to the character and story we're familiar with, with similar themes/arcs. It doesn't make much sense to completely deviate from the known IP just for the sake of subverting expectations - why even use the IP in the first place then? I think Phillips just never wanted to make this, and I think the script was half-assed to begin with, so that's why he said "fuck the script and fuck the studio" and just kinda did whatever he wanted in the moment. He says he wanted to "challenge the audience," but I don't believe that for a second.
My wife and sister were looking forward to it, when they cast Lady Gaga they were thrilled because they wanted a Joker and Harley origin stories, a corruption of her morals and her falling under his spell thinking its love I had to break the truth to my wife this week and now I'm the bad guy who has to rub my wife's feet for my crime
I saw the movie and it was an abomination. Joker 2019 was good and did not need a sequel. Heath Ledger was the best Joker. Nicholson was good but Ledger was a whole another level. Joaquin's 2019 Joker was what I wanted to see, not a musical. Todd Phillips scammed us with the trailer. If you want a cool Joker story, read The Killing Joke by Alan Moore, the greatest graphic novel about the origin of the Joker ever!
Adam, there has been more character development in this video at 13:33 than there was in that pile of crap I watched… RIP 🪦 Joker. I watched nothing happen. That was the great insult. If a director tries, takes some risks and fails…fine. But to give zero sh*ts …that I cannot forgive.
They could have literally taken the "going sane" story line and it would have still been a better movie. Hell, I can think of 100 different stories that would have been more interesting.
Joker: Filet Mignon is actually very fitting considering how much this film is getting grilled
Joker Filet o' Fish
Yeah, but it doesn’t taste good.
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Haha
@@tajcee HAHAHAHA!!!
This review is entertaining as hell, forget watching the movie 🤣
At least we got a great review from you!!
Joker 2019 was and should have been only a standalone. Change my mind.
No need to change your mind. You're absolutely right.
This is no Joker: Full-a Deux Deux… only Joker 2019!!!!!
But there's no such thing as a successful standalone movie in current year. It made money one time, they have to try to milk it for more money! And they'll keep doing it until it stops making money!
We wouldn't have gotten this review, it was worth it for sure 😄
I’ll go a step further
2019 one shouldn’t have been made in the first place
I heard Gaga said they were writing the scenes just before filming them. If it's true, I think it would explain a lot.
Joaquin n Phillips were bangin her while smoking cigs w coke in them
So I take it they're gonna build a mountain
What mountain? I must have missed that part!😄😆😂🤣
... they never build a mountain.
What the fuck did that even mean? Someone asks that exact question out loud, in the movie. But there is not even a hint of a deeper meaning anywhere in sight.
@@AdamDoesMovies😂
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This review is literally funnier than the whole Joker 2 movie
Totlally
It was never supposed to be funny. It's literally a story abut a mentally ill guy who has suffered a ton of abuse and loss etc. This sequel really does a good job finishing his life and story, idk what people expected. I thought it was great.
@@CountAkula yeah
@@CountAkulaThey were expecting fan service Batman to swoop in.
@@CountAkula People were probably expecting a sequel that wouldn't suck. Unfortunately, I guess that was too much to ask for from this movie.
Thumbs up for Joker 2: Filet 'o Fish burn. Classic Adam!
there is no Joker 2, there is no Joker 2
Adam, I love you as much as I hate Hollywood. So glad I found this channel. 🚬
Why do u hate hollywood?
Congrats on 90K.
MIGHT just crack that 100k yet by year's end!
@@AdamDoesMovies Hit that milestone and us subscribers will throw you a party.
@@AdamDoesMoviesPeeps in Hollywood are afraid of A.I taking over, film makers losing their jobs, etc. If going Full-A.I avoids "sequels" like this? Then i'm on-board! An A.I would have probably done a better job than Todd Philips, and cost almost nothing. A "Hollywood Skynet", if you will. Delivering great films again (and not nukes lol).
@@Gametester110-qf8vs I dont think the A.I. will be any better. The people engineering it are infecting it with the same wokeness that ruined Hollywood. But once its accessible enough and render times are manageable enough that people can basically make their own movies it will be awesome.
They should’ve taken notes from a clockwork orange & focus on if someone like Arthur can truly be rehabilitated, what a waste
*WORST. SEQUEL. EVER.* The first film was a Modern day CLASSIC! Watch that one again and forget the "follow-up" exists.
No...the first film was a bang average copy of taxi driver a much superior film
@@lanalan4157Maybe it's because i've never seen Taxi Driver or king of comedy. So for my first exposure to that kind of movie, the first Joker flick was PURE GOLD.
Stop being silly, Joker 2 is better than most comic book movies and sequels.
@@MasonGrant0704 No. Just, no.
@@Gametester110-qf8vs Yeah baby
Joker 2: holy crap its bad
I wasnt a big fan of thr first movie but i can appreciate it, THIS sequel doesnt exist for me
I wasnt really. A lot of the events happening were beyond Arthur's control and his actions were of his own choosing. No one forced him to stop taking his meds, no one forced him to kill and no one forced him to shoot murrray or act the fool on the show. I get society treated him poorly, its just that arthur's reactions were within his control and he choose poorly.
With Napoleon, Beau is not afraid and this Joaquin is box office poison with exceptions like the first Joker. He needs better roles.
Forgot about Napoleon! Who tf is his agent???
Joker 2 Jokes on Us
Who TF approved the 3rd Act. 🤦🏻♂️ 🃏
Thanks for saving me $17 been watching you since 2016
Wow! Eight years together. That's awesome!
So you see movies based on other people's opinions about them? There's lots of movies people hate that I love. Besides this isn't a review, it's a rant.
Stick with Barbie and never think.
IT IS A GOOD MOVIE. SEE FOR YOURSELF.
What movie? Not Joker 2.@@tww2002
My concept for a real sequel, much better than the garbage we got:
Title: Joker: Love and Chaos
Concept Overview:
In this sequel, we dive deeper into the chaotic psyche of Arthur Fleck (Joker) as he breaks out of Arkham Asylum, setting the stage for a violent and provocative exploration of love, fame, and the media's complicity in violence.
Plot Synopsis:
After spending time in Arkham, Arthur has become an enigmatic figure, with his actions on the streets of Gotham having ignited a wave of chaos and a cult-like following. Meanwhile, Harley Quinn, previously a psychiatrist at Arkham, has embraced her own identity as a chaotic force, having been inspired by Arthur’s infamous persona.
Act 1: The Escape
- **Opening Scene:** The film opens with Arthur in Arkham, where his mental state has deteriorated further. He becomes obsessed with the media’s portrayal of him. Meanwhile, Harley is introduced as a rebellious inmate, using her charm to manipulate the guards.
- **The Breakout:** Arthur orchestrates a daring escape, using a combination of cunning and violence. As he breaks free, he inadvertently saves Harley from an abusive guard, and they forge an immediate, chaotic bond.
Act 2: The Road Trip
- **On the Run:** Arthur and Harley embark on a cross-country journey, leaving a trail of mayhem in their wake. Their goal is to reach a media hub in New York, where they plan to broadcast their manifesto of chaos and love to the world.
- **Media Manipulation:** The duo captures the attention of the media, which sensationalizes their story, turning them into anti-heroes. They become a modern-day Bonnie and Clyde, provoking debates about morality, violence, and celebrity culture.
- **Psychological Tension:** As they grow closer, Arthur’s darkness begins to clash with Harley’s whimsical chaos. Their relationship oscillates between love and manipulation, raising questions about the nature of their bond.
Act 3: The Climax
- **The Broadcast:** They finally reach a major television network, planning a live broadcast to share their philosophy. However, their intentions turn darker as they hold the crew hostage, leading to a violent confrontation.
- **The Chaos Unleashed:** In a shocking twist, Arthur reveals that his goal isn’t just fame but to incite a revolution against societal norms. As the broadcast goes live, they unleash a wave of violence on the streets of Gotham, encouraging viewers to embrace their inner chaos.
- **The Fallout:** The film culminates in a tragic and explosive climax, where Arthur and Harley face the consequences of their actions. The screen fades to black as the world reacts to the chaos, leaving viewers questioning the morality of glorifying violence.
Themes:
- **Love and Destruction:** The film explores the toxic nature of love when intertwined with violence, questioning whether true love can exist in chaos.
- **Media and Morality:** A critique of the media's role in shaping narratives around violence and celebrity culture, challenging viewers to consider their complicity.
- **Identity and Transformation:** Both characters grapple with their identities, showcasing how trauma can warp one’s sense of self.
Conclusion:
"Joker: Love and Chaos" serves as a controversial examination of modern society, pushing boundaries and inviting audiences to confront uncomfortable truths about love, violence, and the nature of fame. The film ends ambiguously, leaving viewers to ponder the legacy of Arthur and Harley in a world hungry for chaos.
Not bad. Them taking over the New York station would have been an ingenious way to actually incorporate the musical numbers into the story and could have led to more depictions of chaos as thier numbers get repeatedly interrupted by authorities, which instigates the mob to retaliate in acts of greater violence. You could also have had Harvey Dent as the main foil who nearly gets killed after a targeted hit directed by the Joker.
I may be in the minority but I actually liked the bleak ending to this movie, but didn't care for the overall execution. Harley could have met her end by the unruly mob when she tries to steal the spotlight from the Joker, which causes the Joker so much grief that he decides to kill his character off in spectacular fashion. At the very end you could have revealed that Arthur Fleck managed to survive his suicide attempt and offers little resistance when finally being captured, but then starts to laugh when he's beaten by the guards.
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Thanks ChatGPT
I want spoiler rants for EVERY movie!!! ❤😂😂❤
Todd Phillips thinks he's smarter than anybody else when he just simply can't make a sequel to save his life.
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING❓😳
“We’ve got to have….. MONEY!”
Todd Philips: “Let’s make a musical”
That's the fun part, they didn't think
@@Randomaccount9470 💯 They sure didn’t
So, the main takeaway is, they're gonna build a mountain... but they don't. How subversive of Todd P. Oohhh... 😯
22:50 That song was better than damn near all the songs in Joker 2.
Just hovering my mouse over the timeline and watching all the faces Adam makes during his reviews is one of my favorite aspects of these videos.
“A rehash of the first film”…yep, the trailer tipped me off to that
I also don't like how the Joker depicts mental health. I have a similar experience and illness as Arthur but it's ridiculous comic book and edgy film.
Anyone who said they liked this movie is lying
Believe it or not, some people might actually have "their own opinion".
I never accepted that this weakling(Arthur Fleck) could be the ACTUAL Joker, so when it turned out it wasn't supposed to be him but rather the movement that he started then I was RELIEVED. It makes complete sense to me, but that's cuz I may still have some critical thinking skills left 🤷
@@TheFBonershut up
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@@TheFBoner, with your critical thinking skills, do you comprehend how both 'Joker' movies wasted the audiences' time then since Arthur is not the real Joker?
@@TorontoJon Yes, I can comprehend that point of view and I agree. I went into this movie expecting this version of the Joker to be the one we were ALL wanting to see. As it turns out, it wasn't. And that's fine by me, cuz Arthur Fleck was never gonna be Joker in my eyes anyway. For me, the ultimate Joker will be Heath Ledger's until something better comes along. However, I still appreciated Joker 2 for being more about the "Joker Madness" than the Joker himself. I was simply responding to your accusation that I am a liar for liking the movie.
I think the box office shows that most people knew it was a musical. 😉
I left the cinema angry!! The whole movie is horrible! The end is depressing!! Loved the first one 😢
joker "filet of fish" and "joker filet mignion" 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂
In the first film, what is the first gesture that Zazie Beets makes to Arthur, when he's imagining her as his girlfriend? --' Fingers as gun-to-the-head.' In Joker 2, what's the first gesture that Lee (Gaga) makes to Arthur? --'Fingers as gun-to-the-head.'
This is the key: Lee is NOT REAL. She is an imaginary girlfriend that Arthur has dreamt-up this time for his super ego (Joker), whereas last time he dreamt-up a girlfriend for himself.
Why is Lee able to "go wherever she wants" and do whatever she wants? Why does this hot, rich woman want to meet him, screw him and have his baby? -Is she too good to be true? -Well yes, she is too good to be real, because she's NOT REAL.
Why does the movie start with a cartoon? -Is it something just for a review critic to make fun of? -Or is it KEY to understanding that the vast majority of Joker 2 exists in Arthur's twisted head? -There is a scene near the end, where we see him and the other inmates in the community room, watching a TV upon which...A CARTOON PLAYS.
Those who don't like this movie DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. It's NOT a superhero film, just like the first one wasn't a superhero film. Is the Joker even real? Or is it the persona that twisted, pathetic Arthur Fleck DREAMS that he could be? -Did he really kill Murray, and did the entire city become crazed Joker imitators? -Or are WE the viewers 'nuts' for thinking that that could happen in this realistically-played drama of a psychotic loser? 🤔
If she wasnt real,why did they make us listen to her sing?oh i get it...fillet a duet!
Joker is a remake of Taxi Driver in an age when Producers will only give you money if you have a comic tie in
Why did Joker do well? Taxi Driver was already good so how could it not?
Joker 2 is what would happen if someone said "Hey you want your next movie made? Make a Joker 2, we're offering 2% world wide box office and the movie budget will be 3 times higher and we'll fund your next movie too"
We’re gonna build a mountain 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Todd Phillips laughing and counting his money after being forced to make a sequel
nah, he a disgraced lser who will never get 200 million dllr budget for a film again.
Nobody will watch a todd phillips film ever again, so I hope it was worth it, screw that "I'm an artist" poser bs.
Wrong. Money goes quick since movie directors lives a luxury lifestyle & he hurt his republican in Hollywood
No movie takes into account how expensive Cigs are. Nobody chain smokes like movie characters
Not to mention you would feel like shit all the time, even if you can afford it. I used to be a smoker, and I could feel it the next day when I smoked a lot, usually when I went to a bar that allowed smoking inside. Nobody could do that every day. It's just to illustrate that they're a smoker, most filmmakers have abandoned subtlety. They have to make sure you know by making sure they're always smoking in every scene.
Trust me, I know some broke people that easily smoke 2 packs a day.
@@MasonGrant0704 Thank you! I see people all the time begging for money, begging the bus driver to ride the bus for free because they "forgot their pass" and a truckload of other BS but seem to have a carton of smokes. It disgusts me, as does smoking btw. I cannot believe THAT is what @willstrickland is stuck on. LOL JK
I wish I could tell you that Arthur fought the good fight, and The Sisters let him be. I wish I could tell you that
Arthur was a tall drink of water
Likeeeee
This needs way more likes and needs to be highlighted
I need a video that's just Adam doing different Joker / Dumb & Dumber laughs for 10 minutes. The dude could teach a freakin' seminar on this subject, his mock laughing game is that strong.
This is what art looks like. You don't get what you wanted, nor expected. Anything else is entertainment for the masses. Like it or not. 140 minutes?! Get the f.....
This movie was made for Lady Gaga fans and to belittle and insult the fans who liked the first one. I skipped the first one.
This movie is 90% people smoking cigarettes
JOKER 2 : about as much fun as gargling a bucket of cold vomit....the first film made over a billion, there are over a billion reasons why this second film should NEVER have been made. They lost me at " Musical ". Which studio Exec greenlit this hot garbage ? I hope heads will roll. The second film could have even better than the first with society rioting and in revolt, looking at the joker for their leader, it could have been the ultimate revenge film on the establishment, as Joker tears down the pillars of civilization, watching the rich and entitled burn, but no, they decided to make a Lady ga ga musical on crack. Good luck with that, lol
I think going in people had way to many expectations for what..this film should have been. I don't get the confusion that Arthur Fleck was a mentally sick...confusion individual..that used the Joker persona or alter ego...to protect Arthur from the troubles in his life. He was never a psycho killer truly, just a scared confused individual. Plain and simple.
Unnecessary sequel but I felt it was a logical conclusion to Arthur Fleck's sad and tragic life. I like the film's themes about sensationalism. People wanted a Joker movie but got an Arthur Fleck movie and I think that was the point.
Your review is better then the movie
The integrity of the joker character has been compromised after the Dark Knight 😢
Paying to watch this movie is the equivalent to paying todd Philips to spit in your face. You genuinely have to gaslight someone into thinking their wrong for expecting the joker in a joker movie just to argue the ending is Good
Wonder if that NY City thing was an oopsie, or they truly don't give a shit.
My bro fell asleep in the theater for the first one. It so so was boring. Won’t waste my time/money on this one. Happy for any who do enjoy it though!! 🔥
this review best summarizes this channel and what Adam does so well and so differently than other reviewers!
Ok but which was a worse film experience of 2024. This, Megalopolis or Madame Web
Haha omg your "wipeout" gag had me rolling. Everyone in my office was watching me laugh cause I kept rewinding that part
Yes Todd Phillips never cared about the source material beyond some nods and name value. He said countless times that this Noker was just a mentally ill dude who was depressed not a super villian he was never fighting Batman this Joker wouldn't even be able to fight an average dude lol. I tried to tell fans this on twitter for years after the first movie that this wasn't comic Joker I realized that after watching Joker 2019 literally 1 time. But fans kept saying whens he going to fight Batman when does he become a master criminal give us a sequel I kept saying guy that isnt who this Joker is but they kept saying I was ridiculous and that it could work. Looks like I got the last laugh here 🤣
Most of this movie goes on in Arthur's head. Not exactly compelling.
oh, i just realized - Lee is what Todd Phillips thinks of the FEMALE fans of the first Joker movie. "He's just edgy and hot - i just like the surface-level stuff without ever thinking about the actual MAN"
Your singing is better than Phoenix, you should play the Joker.
Were they trying to say the guy at the end in the background becomes the Heath Ledger joker? I don’t think they should be trying to hijack his joker, bad enough they’ve ruined this joker for us. In my opinion. This review is better than the movie thank you 😊
As soon as I heard it was Joker: The Musical, I was out.
2:09 ey man don't insult court jesters like that they're FAR less pathetic and were actually interesting and entertaining
I can only imagine what your family thinks when they hear you making all these sound effects. 🤣
I gotta say. This totally hasn't been a good year for the Clown Prince Of Crime. First his DLC content in Suicide Squad Kill The Justice League. And now this.
Haha, I didn't expect that singing to be 9/10! Very entertaining and a great review!
Okay, so I was watching this while I was creating and editing files for work, and I burst out laughing at your singing "we're gonna build a moutainnnnnnnnnnn?????". Priceless.
The Joker: An Idea, Not Just a Person in Joker: Folie à Deux
In the world of comics, the Joker is often considered the ultimate adversary of the superhero Batman. However, behind this famous character, deeper questions emerge about the evolution of the Joker and the nature of his madness. Looking at recent cinematic interpretations, especially in Joker: Folie à Deux (2024) directed by Todd Phillips, an important question arises: Is the Joker as we know him today the one who invented the idea of the Joker, or was this identity refined by a more psychopathic individual?
Arthur Fleck, the character played by Joaquin Phoenix in the first film, is seen as the origin of the madness that defines the Joker. However, he is also a fragile, troubled character due to painful life experiences and deep inner pain. In this interpretation, Fleck is the precursor to a bigger idea - the idea of the Joker - but he does not embody it in its most dangerous form. Fleck is a broken man, and although his actions defy social norms, he remains psychologically and emotionally fragile. His version of the Joker is an explosion of pain and despair, sparking chaos, but it is not a complete embodiment of madness.
In contrast, the "real" Joker, as often portrayed in comics and other films, is a full-blown psychopath. This Joker is not driven solely by personal pain, but by a cold desire for destruction. He is a criminal genius, calculated and devoid of emotion. In this framework, he surpasses the raw idea of the Joker, transforming it into a symbol of chaos and destruction.
This concept offers an interesting dimension in the portrayal of the character: the Joker as an idea, a force of nature, rather than just an individual. In this context, the Joker is not confined to one person or one embodiment. It is madness that can be passed on and amplified, a mental illness that spreads and evolves, and each new incarnation of the Joker can become more dangerous than the previous one. Fleck, in this case, is the first carrier of this idea, but another psychopath, with the ability to manipulate and spread chaos with frozen precision, becomes the true Joker.
This interpretation adds a deeper and more complex layer to understanding the Joker's character, revealing that the Joker is not just a single individual, but an idea that can develop and divide, becoming more threatening with each new incarnation.
"Folie a poo-poo!" Chum brought that joke over from the non-spoiler review! LOL! Him breaking into song....LOL!!! I'm eating chili at Wendy's, cracking up!! This episode was hilarious!!! Why doesn't the chum have more views like some boring as swell guy who reviews movies but always gets stuck, man??? I don't know.
This is the best review I’ve seen of all, I’m subscribing and turning on the notification bell. I didn’t want to watch the movie to keep the memory of the first one, but I couldn’t resist, and I just saw it, and oh my god. It turned out to be worse than anything I’d heard, a disaster. The songs are a disaster, the story is a disaster, I totally agree with what you said about New York, god, this is Gotham City. How far do you want to go, Todd? I hate the character ‘Lee’ because I love Harley Quinn from the comics, and from the animated series, movies, and games, but I wasn’t expecting the same one as in Suicide Squad, I already knew this version was different, but it’s a disaster. And if this is a movie called JOKER, it’s not even about the JOKER because SPOILER that guy at the end isn’t even Heath's or Azzarello’s Joker, no sir. A total waste, and unfortunately, it makes me hate it because the first one moved me in theaters, but this movie, oh my god, it’s garbage. I agree 100% with everything you said, and you even missed details that it’s fine you forgot because they’re honestly garbage. This "joke" is a 1/10. Also a Joker movie with 0 kills , my god.
"I'm off pitch and sad" 😂
I took my theater and popcorn money for The Joker 2, 💵 and went out to eat. 🎥🍿=> 🍔🍟🥤
Spent the same money, but was happy in the end. 😊
I don't think the ending is stupid to be honest!
Arthur Fleck was already much to old to be the Joker we know with Batman still being years away from entering the scene!
Well yeah it may be bad, but i will watch it anyway!
He’s 30 something how’s that to old ?
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He is near 50 with Batman still being years away!
This movie has no significant time jump and more or less starts off where the last movie ended and in the first movie Bruce was just a little boy!
@@cafl9844 I’m talking about now
Thanks for helping grill this one a bit more, it deserves every bit.
You can’t spoil anything, because anything could’ve been imagined. Was she really pregnant? Who cares?
Exactly! Thank you!💜
Who are these mythical Joker 2 praisers? Who?! I've seen reviews from all around the world - seems like Everyone hates it, and it's doing badly at the box office, globally.
I'll praise the film, possibly, after I hear as to how/why some decisions were made. Particularly what the actual reason was for the subtitle. There's an obvious reason and perhaps a meta reason
I get why everyone is hating it. I actually loved it quite a bit though. I want to see it a second time in theaters at some point.
How the f did this movie cost 200 mil $?
That's all Gaga's privileged paycheck.
Money Luandering
If Jolker's budget had been a modest $10,000,000 , it would have been a smash hit with the current box office receipts.
That’s less than Lady Gaga got paid herself.
@JohnMack-f3f They didn't need her or Joachim to make a sequel like this.
@@destronia123 do you know how many people running Hollywood are just blowing corporate money and don’t even care?
May have mentioned this under your other video, but I think this movie had so much fuckin potential to be this really unique drama/thriller/musical that's basically never been done before. It should've been relatively easy to create these situations where Joker and Harley are experiencing these shared delusions that happen to involve musical numbers, with the musical numbers being part and parcel to the actual plot of the movie so that it doesn't just take you out of it. Have him start to commit more crimes and stuff and start kinda embracing this new image - but then you could cut back to the actual reality where shit's actually still fucked for Joker and Harley, and they just escape into these delusions. That'd be pretty fuckin easy to do, but instead Todd Phillips wanted to subvert expectations (possibly on purpose just as a "fuck you" to the audience). Coming from the guy who did Hangover Part 3, I don't know why I had such high hopes...
From the start, this should've just been its own IP and not called itself Joker - have it just be this random dude with issues who commits these crimes, becomes recognized, goes to jail, goes to court, etc. I mean, that's pretty much what happened. There are only a few things that really tie him into the known IP, so why bother? I guess just because known IPs get butts in seats, but I think the first Joker still would've made close to a billion even if you called it something else because it was just a good movie with interesting themes. This could be a continuation of that and just remove the ties to the actual Joker, and less people would be pissed off about it - though the movie still needed to be better in general.
To be honest, I haven't actually seen the movie yet and I'm just basing this opinion on the various reviews I've heard. But is it true that the Joker at the end is meant to be the equivalent of Heath Ledger's Joker, or are people only saying that because he cut Arthur's mouth? If that's the only reason, it could easily just be Phillips' interpretation of a general Joker who just happens to do something similar to what Ledger's Joker did. But maybe there's more to it and that's wrong. Obviously due to the different decade, it couldn't possibly be Ledger's Joker, so it'd be pretty dumb to try to explicitly hint that it is.
Drama thriller musical....yes.done .sweeney todd
@@chrismasand2402 Yes, Sweeney Todd would be the most similar thing to my idea, but instead of having these dark and darkly humorous songs, this movie could've had entirely joyful, "standard" musical songs, but then keep cutting between the joyful songs and the bleak reality of Arthur Fleck's situation (which he doesn't realize because of all these delusions he shares with Harley, which cut him off from reality). And don't have the entire movie be a musical - maybe like 30-50% of the story could be told in musical numbers (maybe like half could be cover songs, with the other half being original songs that either directly reference whatever's happening in the scene, and/or explicitly drive the character's development), while the rest of the movie is just a straight drama/thriller. I don't think that's really been done before, at least not for a whole movie. It would've been a slam dunk.
I still think someone could make that movie, and just shouldn't try to tie it into any known IP - or if they do tie it into something else, make the character/story at least somewhat recognizable to the character and story we're familiar with, with similar themes/arcs. It doesn't make much sense to completely deviate from the known IP just for the sake of subverting expectations - why even use the IP in the first place then? I think Phillips just never wanted to make this, and I think the script was half-assed to begin with, so that's why he said "fuck the script and fuck the studio" and just kinda did whatever he wanted in the moment. He says he wanted to "challenge the audience," but I don't believe that for a second.
Great review Adam. You earned yourself a new subscriber. Amazing and entertaining breakdown of Joker 2.
Can’t wait to see what you review next.
Appreciate that, thanks!
Id love to know what your wife thinks is going on while your recording this video! You look exhausted by the end! 😆
Hahaha. I'm always exhausted!
I already know when a movie is gonna be bad & artsy-fartsy when they add French to the title.
You had me in tears laughing. You are an original.
I was actually just crying while kissing my cockatiel and thinking about how much he loves me.
I would only watch this if the volume is off, Adam is making up lines/does some singing/and well just rants till the end. Take my money lol 😂
Adam the Musical.
This review was more funny and coherent then the whole joker 2 movie
14:35 None of these characters knew arthur well enough to provide any sort of useful information.
My wife and sister were looking forward to it, when they cast Lady Gaga they were thrilled because they wanted a Joker and Harley origin stories, a corruption of her morals and her falling under his spell thinking its love
I had to break the truth to my wife this week and now I'm the bad guy who has to rub my wife's feet for my crime
That the courts allowed arthur to be a fool in the court room is absurd. It simply would not happen.
I saw the movie and it was an abomination. Joker 2019 was good and did not need a sequel. Heath Ledger was the best Joker. Nicholson was good but Ledger was a whole another level. Joaquin's 2019 Joker was what I wanted to see, not a musical. Todd Phillips scammed us with the trailer. If you want a cool Joker story, read The Killing Joke by Alan Moore, the greatest graphic novel about the origin of the Joker ever!
Super-psyched!
I'm catching a double-feature tonight!
Joker II followed by the new Crow!!!!
🤣😂🤣😭
Adam, there has been more character development in this video at 13:33 than there was in that pile of crap I watched… RIP 🪦 Joker.
I watched nothing happen. That was the great insult. If a director tries, takes some risks and fails…fine. But to give zero sh*ts …that I cannot forgive.
I think it's hilarious that they had an ending that said "You dummies just wasted your time - on both these movies!" 😅
Been waiting for you to tear this movie to pieces 😊
I LOVE YOU ADAM! I wish you lived next door!
🎶 “I Got A Golden Ticket”🎶😂😂😂😂
They could have literally taken the "going sane" story line and it would have still been a better movie. Hell, I can think of 100 different stories that would have been more interesting.
OMG Dude, I LIVE for your rants! 🤣
That was classic Adam , loved the part where you turned into the jocker and bashed the two idiots in front of you taking a selfie.
I laughed so hard at this review, well done 😆
I hate this movie 😊