@@mariosangermano prove that John Calvin was publicly called by Jesus Christ from 2 or more witnesses to preach, teach, execute people, and adhocly determine books of the bible.
1 Corinthians 10:13 No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it. Galatians 5:16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do.
obviously Martin Luther will think like Augustine, He was an Augustinian Monk. All the church father taught Free will. Augustine believe in free will for 20 year before he went back to gnostic views. Augustine was the first one to use psalm 51:5 to claim we are born depraved. It is just his philosophy.
Calvinism was first articulated by Augustine (a Roman Catholic) in the 4th century. So, the Church did quite well for 300 years without this doctrine. The Biblical doctrine of salvation is best described by the “Corporate View of Election” or the “Provisionalist Salvation Doctrine”. Don’t look to be right; look to find truth.
John 20:27 My sheep will hear my voice and they follow me. This means there are sheep who don't hear/do not want to hear the Lord Jusus or to follow Him.
Where are you getting the Mathew 5:38 verse? In the Bible KJV Mathew 5:38 ”Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:“ Matthew 5:38 KJV. The verse you just gave is blatantly wrong
It started with God Our Creator. Being Saved does not start with a decision. We need to be born again. Our Salvation does not start with Jesus, It starts with the God The Father. It is the Drawing of The Father and the convicting work of the Holy Spirit. John 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. born again, means a new begin, and the old no longer exist in us. Other than the result of men’s refusal. Calvin as you can see and put the responsibility by men. THIS IS HOW CALVIN PREACHED THE GOSPEL (Calvin's Wisdom p119-120) He calls all men to himself, without a single exception, and gives Christ to all, that we may be illumined by him. When we pray, we ought, according to the rule of charity, to include all. God invites all indiscriminately to salvation through the Gospel, BUT THE INGRATITUDE OF THE WORLD IS THE REASON why this grace, which is equally offered to all, is enjoyed by few.
Playing a bit of devil’s advocate here: if Christians believe in a purist form of Calvinism and follow a doctrine of the elect, then why do we evangelize? In the same way Arminians can believe we shouldn’t pray for the souls of the unsaved, then why do Calvinists believe in evangelism? If God has already predetermined those that will chose Christ, then why spread the Good News?
Because the Bible says that God has chosen evangelism and preaching the Gospel as the means of salvation. That's true for Calvinists or any other Christian. So we pray and preach, and God does the work. I'm not sure that Wesley wouldn't have said the same thing.
@@RobertBarnes66 That doesn't mean you should still preach, because the question still remains, why do it? When god will manifest what is meant to happen regardless of your actions, so to make an action or to not is gods will, right?
@@Marzaries You are assuming the position of the Calvinist is hard determinism (using a philosophical term). You mistake the Calvinist for Islam or some other deterministic worldview, where the ends happen in spite of the means. We are soft determinism. The Calvinistic view of God's will is much more like the movie Arrival--with Louise' decisions being impregnated with deeper meaning as she knows what is to come. But her decisions are not only real in spite of the known and settled future, but given greater meaning.
If you go back in church history.... Look for the ones who died for faith and truth... Those are the ones the world hated.... Just like Jesus. They hated them. Because they first hated him.
Actually, they corresponded to the points addressed by the "remonstrance" brought by Arminius' followers at the Synod of Dort....where the reformed church pronounced them to be heresy. Today's opponents of reformed theology likely don't even know their own history.
How can a Calvinist be "saved" I thought they were "Chosen"?? If Calvinism were true, that would also mean you could not turn away from God if you were one of "The Chosen". I'm pretty certain we ALL have the free will to turn away from God, therefore we must also all have the free will to turn to him. Calvinism CANNOT be true by its own definition.
@@dwiggle10 ...Then you do not know how we are saved if you think we can lose our Salvation. Salvation is from beginning to end a work of God. It's starts before the foundation of the world. The Father Chooses. Then in time...at an appointed time, chosen by God...He sends the Holy Spirit to come and awaken us.... regenerating us into New Spiritual life. What Jesus called the New Birth. John 3:3, 5. He said "You must be Born Again." To even see the Kingdom of God. And then to enter in. It's not optional. But there's a time for us before it happened to us. When we were still sinners, not able to come too or please God. I foolishly thought that l was saved. And when it happened....it's unbelievable...this miracle that we know is a supernatural working of God. He could of not saved me. But oh how l love him now. Praise, honor and glory will always pour forth from my lips. He changed my heart. God is the object of all praise. Try parking in Romans 9... Until you can completely accept what Paul tells us about God here. Here's what's hard for everyone. That maybe our families won't be saved. But the truth is... they wouldn't have chosen it anyway. Pray for them. Trust God. God's ways are higher than ours...his thoughts higher than ours. 📖✝️🙏
@@dwiggle10 I've thought that too, raised to believe like you, but recently been digging into it for myself. I asked my boss one day about that type of thing. "Once saved always saved" he believes it and I didn't because of free will. I asked him and he basically asked me back, anyone who chooses to turn away from God, wasn't really saved anyway. I scratched my head on that one? I don't know man, I just don't know...
If there is a Calvinist reading this, can you answer one simple question that I have: "Did God decide to create billions of people with absolutely no choice to repent so that they can be tormented forever in hell for his pleasure?" I just cannot wrap my brain around this thought so could a Calvinist enlighten me on this? Is this truly what a Calvinist believes?
Calvinist believe in the whole bible not just the scriptures that make us feel good about our self's if you look at Matthews 13 and do you think God was teaching us some truth of just telling a story? and in Eph 1:4 truth or story? we all have a choice you can believe that the word in you was planted in good soil or not or chosen before the world was created or not? Judas role was predicted to betray Jesus right? if it didn't happen no salvation! how did Judas land that role? did God have a hand it it? did God know the future? Jesus knew ahead of time how? how long did he know? before the earth was created?
Let God answer your question. Isaiah 55:9-10. “For My thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways My ways says the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are my ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts.”
Hello, brother. This is a classic question that needs to be addressed sincerely. I've wrestled with it a lot, so I'll answer you this way. The Bible teaches two things which apparently contradict: 1. We are responsible moral beings who must accept or reject Christ. 2. God predestined the elect for salvation. I can prove these points from scripture, although I do not understand how they can both be true at the same time. So, how does it work? I don't know, but I'm convinced the Bible teaches these doctrines. It's a divine mystery, much like the Trinity and the incarnation. I hope this helps. God Bless, Andy
@@andyontheinternet5777 I’ve learned one thing Andy. If a person doesn’t believe or if a person rejects the the Doctrine of Sovereign Election, nothing you can say, no scripture you can point them to, nothing is going to convince them, nothing is gonna to change their mind, nothing is going to cause them to believe. In fact, being a Calvinist in their minds is equivalent to being a self righteous liar. Only they know the mind of God. I stopped even trying to have a conversation with them because I’ve come to learn what I’m up against. And that is the power of unbelief.
Timothy, both Augustine and Calvin were promoters of torture and physical violence for heresy, basically for people that don't accept they're way of interpreting the text. Yeah, that sounds like nice guys...
It seems to me, nobody special, that Calvinism is based on imaginative reading of various passages in the Book. A good example is the opening verse used here, Ephesians 1:4 ; "He chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him." It does not say - He chose us TO BE in him before the foundation of the world - but it's treated here as if it did say that. Without that additional verbiage, it (seems to me) that it means the people who are in him at that moment, which is who the writer was addressing, early followers of Christ.
@@jalapeno.tabasco- It seems to me, nobody special, that the text is implying, that none of us humans existed before the foundation of the world. And hence we should not believe some ideas that come into some imaginative humans' minds when they read some text in such a way as to make God out to be the author of each and every heinous thing humans have ever done. Humans are fallible, it seems blatantly obvious to me, and therefore risking one's immortal soul on what some happen to make of a few passages is unwise, by default. If they were/are wrong in their interpretations in this case, and we tell others they were/are right, we will have falsely accused God of being directly responsible for a great many heinous things. (And if they were/are right in their interpretations, we will have gained nothing at all.)
The problem with the Calvinistic view of soteriology is that it contradicts John 3:16. Jesus died for the "whoever"s of the World. Whoever believes are the elect, the predestined. . .
Not at all. The problem you're having is not understanding the total depravity of man at birth who would not seek God unless God called him or moved him to come. (Romans 8:30 and John 6)
Agreed...If Calvinism were true, that would also mean you could not turn away from God if you were one of "The Chosen". I'm pretty certain we ALL have the free will to turn away from God, therefore we must also all have the free will to turn to him. Calvinism CANNOT be true by its own definition.
John 3-16 says for God so loved the world that he gave his only son for whom so ever. Believes in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life. So remember it’s saying loves the world (Not) going to save the word
How are you going to reconcilate John 3:16 does it says jesus died for the elected only or to the whle world whom who belive shall have eternal life. I am not saying with out helpe of the Holy spirit could understand the salvation,but I am saying they could chose after it is reveald to them. God even in the old testament in the book of Deutronomey I put life and death, before you choose life. So if it is not given will to chose so why we are told to go and tell the gospel to all people in the whole world. I belive God he mean it and provided it to all humanity. Even paul said sin come through one persone to all humanity. Then did he said grace came only to the elect? please keep the whole word of God.
@@tsegaytea I think the problem your having you failed to understand that no one knows who’s God elect is like no one knows who saved and who’s not saved. We can guess by ones behavior but even ones behavior can fool you. The Bible even says that in the last days that even God select might be fooled What we do know is that many are called but you are chosen and those are chosen, were chosen before the foundation of the world No one really knows except the believer and God
The whosoever in John 3:16 are all the believing. But we have to back up and realize that no unregenerat person is going to believe the gospel, nor can he because he is dead in his sin. Until a man is born again, he doesn't have the ears to hear and be converted. See John 3:8 After the Holy Spirit Quickens the Elect, they are granted faith and can believe and be converted.
Calvinism is 100% heresy. It is a slap in the face of GOD. According to Calvinism, no one can choose of their own accord to receive the gospel. No one can decide that they want to love GOD. Just imagine that a man loves a woman, and the only way he could ever marry her is if he preprogrammed her to love him and accept his proposal. Calvinism is a monstrous doctrine from the devil himself.
Hahahaha you cannot force yourself on God! Whoever's name was not written in the lambs book of life before the foundation of the world was thrown into the lake of fire 🔥
Hahahaha you cannot force yourself on God! Whoever's name was not written in the lambs book of life before the foundation of the world was thrown into the lake of fire 🔥
Hahahaha you cannot force yourself on God! Whoever's name was not written in the lambs book of life before the foundation of the world was thrown into the lake of fire 🔥
Hahahaha you cannot force yourself on God! Whoever's name was not written in the lambs book of life before the foundation of the world was thrown into the lake of fire 🔥
Hahahaha you cannot force yourself on God! Whoever's name was not written in the lambs book of life before the foundation of the world was thrown into the lake of fire 🔥
Imagine thinking that God wills sin being a Biblical concept. It isn't. This is purely platonic/ gnostic philosophy re-packaged as "christian" even though it explicitly contradicts the Bible.
First of all who are we to judge God? some might think God was wrong to hurt Job and not even tell him why he did it? or sending satan to earth knowing what he would do? or creating satan so beautiful he would sin? or knowing judas would betray the lord before the foundation of the world did judas have a choice in his roll? we can say a lot of things but who are we to judge God i love Gods answer to Job. what we do know is God knows the future he know what were going to do before we do it. you might ask then whats the sense? its about the glory of God. God let sin in the world cause with out it were's the glory? can there be light with out darkness? you could say it was you that found God but then you rob god of glory, you could say it was you that kept your salvation all these years , but again you rob god of glory, we are sealed for the day of redemption and we all ran from god like adam and god found us and he is glorified.
why do you think god choose Israel to be he's chosen people? personally i think because they best represent how deceitful the heart really is. if god delivered your life of slavery by breaking the laws of nature over and over walking by a pillar of fire by night and would still want to worship a stick or a stone then the God that delivered you you must be really sick.
*HOW FREE WILL IN CALVINISM WORKS* John Calvin -quote The eternal predestination of god, by which before the fall of Adam he decreed what should take place concerning the whole human race and every individual, was *FIXED* and determined. (Concerning the Eternal Predestination of God, pg 121) THEREFORE: 1) The creature is NOT FREE to be or do that which is not infallibly decreed 2) The creature is ONLY FREE to be or do that which is infallibly decreed 3) The creature is NOT FREE to countervail, overrule, or falsify an infallible decree. 4) Every impulse of the creature's will - is *FIXED* and determined - by eternal predestination. Therefore it logically follows - Adam was NOT FREE to NOT eat the fruit.
@KTTGHMTJWYCBLAC DW Exactly! For the brain to be able to discern TRUE from FALSE on any matter - would require the brain making a choice between TRUE and FALSE on that matter. And that would constitute what Jon Edwards called a "Contrary" choice - which does not exist for a brain in which every perception is FIXED by infallible decree. Dr. John Searle - Professor Emeritus of the Philosophy of Mind and Language - Berkeley -quote “Rationality only makes a difference where there is the possibility of irrationality. And all rational activity logically presupposes Libertarian Free Will. This becomes obvious when one realizes that rationality is possible only where one has a choice among various rational as well as irrational options.” End quote - (Rationality in Action) William Lane Craig -quote Eeterminists recognize they have to act *AS-IF* they have option(S) to weigh, and can decide on what course of action to take….. (Determinism is unlivable) Gregory Koukl -quote The problem with determinism, is that ... rationality would have no room to operate. Arguments would not matter, since no one would be able to base beliefs on adequate reasons. One could never judge between a good idea and a bad one. One would only hold beliefs because he has been predetermined to do so. Although it is theoretically possible that determinism is true.....no one could ever know if it - if it were. Everyone of our thoughts dispositions and opinions would have been decided for us by factors completely out of our control. Therefore in practice, arguments for determinism are self defeating.”
Thank you for the great history. You are a good teacher. Since you have a problem with the command ‘Be ye perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect’. I suggest you read paper one/book one of the Urantia papers
(If you dare) I call the book BBC-intelligence. It will shed a lot of light on Gods purpose in creation. I read both books daily (scriptures and BBC Revelation. They are complementary. D
You poor man - charismatics like you do not have the third person of the trinity within you because you have another gospel and so your “doctrine of the Holy Spirit” is all wrong - He has the spirit of God
@@dougmcminn9346 my brother Doug, I will remember you in my prayers for when I think about the love with which God created your soul, I have no option but to pray for you. 😊
There’s nowhere in the Bible that teaches original sin!! Never mind Pelagius. What does scripture say. To be tainted by sin and it’s consequences does not make us guilty for another’s sin . The Bible says the whole creation groans in expectation awaiting our adoption. The whole creation was put under the curse yet committed no sin. Did the earth and animals sin? No, yet they suffer under the curse. Paul says plainly that by one man sin entered the world and DEATH!! Passed upon all men. The curse of sin, not responsibility and guilt for another man’s sin. Who could Adam and Eve have to blame? Did someone sin before them? What about Cain? God told Cain if thou doest well shall thou not be accepted? God refuted to Israel their parable that one generation was being punished for another generations sins. Ezekiel. He said no, but that the soul that sinneth it shall die. Stop quoting men to make a position or argument for or against a man made doctrine. The Bible is it’s own authority and commentary. God is absolutely sovereign and man was created with a Will. The ability to choose. Btw, did Satan have a will or the angels who followed him? He must have. He turned on God and was cast out with his followers many of who left their first estate and cohabitated with woman and were bound. The scripture is plain!! Angels and mankind are accountable to the sovereign God for their choices and in mankind’s case he stepped in and freely offered his salvation and paid the sin debt and satisfied the laws demands and Gods righteousness and holiness. What will you do with that? You will be judged accordingly !
Three types of people with the Lord . Sovereignty of God is going over your head. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. - Revelation 17:14
I turned it off when he intoned that a verse from Romans Chapter 9 was the voice of God. If you believe that the Bible was divinely-inspired, but that it's all God speaking to you unmediated, then you believe that God is a bad author who wastes our time with all the "Thus Saith the Lord" sections. Paul takes pains to frequently point out that he is giving pastoral advice and not simply writing the commandments of God. All of his letters DEMAND contextualization and study. This is paying proper due to God's full glory and magnificence in working subtleties and mysteries. Any ordinary person is capable of achieving a deep understanding of scripture.
You turned it off when he quoted the bible hahahahahahah You dont believe the bible is divinely inspired hahahaha You think an ordinary person can understand scripture hahahahahah Wow you are not bright at all i hope things change for you You must repent and be born again of the Spirit from Above!
I don’t struggle with Gods sovereignty and election and predestination at all. I also totally reject Calvinism and embrace Arminianism with no scriptural conflict at all.
Learning Sound Theology As I understand Pelagius saw salvation as a joint effect of human effort and God's grace. He denies the concept of "total human depravity", yet he speaks of "our own inability to do any good thing at all without God". He says: " Free will we do so own, as to say that we always stand in need of God’s help." The quotes are from one of Pelagius' letters. www.earlychurchtexts.com/public/pelagius_letter_and_confession_to_innocent.htm I do not know if one could call that "Semi-Pelagianism". But it does not sound like "Pelagianism". He clearly states that we need God's grace not to sin, but he does not conclude that human nature is evil. Like, if a man is not strong enough to carry a horse, that does not mean he has no strength at all. Is this similar to Arminianism?
One of the things I have found to help keep things into prospective is to remember that we will never know the mind of God, and why God does what he does, its always better to stay with what scripture says and leave analogies and human reasoning out of theology or else God may rebuke us like this.ps 50:21-23 When you did these things, I remained silent.That made you think I was like you. I will argue my point with you and lay it all out for you to see 22Consider this, you people who forget God. Otherwise, I will tear you to pieces, and there will be no one left to rescue you.23 Whoever offers thanks as a sacrifice honors me. I will let everyone who continues in my way see the salvation that comes from God.”
we know it says in Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? other translation say their is no cure. this verse gives no hope for mankind other then the hope of Jesus Christ as far as free will goes i believe we have free will we just refuse to exercise our free will from the beginning of time man has always hidden himself from God even when we sin we do it like God is not watching
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Calvinism and Arminianism are not the only options Try reading the whole Bible and you will come to neither extremes. Our choice and God’s choice are two sides of the same coin, and they both happened at the same time; the very beginning. Because with God there is no time. Absolutely everything was known the moment everything was created. So stop wasting your time preaching Calvinism and start preaching the gospel.
Calvin didn't do anything to Servestus. Servestus slandered Calvin, after a time of correspondence, in his book (which was filled with heresy). Thinking the Catholic Church would let it slide since they too rejected Calvin, he published the work. Consequently the Catholic Church arrested him and burn him at the stake. You know what Calvin did? Nothing. He has the least significance in his death. The Roman Catholics were the ones who killed him. All that Calvin did was try to appeal for a death that wasn't as inhumane as being burned at the stake, and that appeal was ultimately rejected.
@@yuypergollece6187 The "heresy" you spoke of all boils down to this one question, for which Servetus was ultimately burned at the stake: Was Jesus the "eternal son of god", or was he the "son of the eternal god". Calvin thought the first was true, and Servetus the second. You say it was the Roman Catholics who killed him, when in fact is was Calvin who sentenced him to die for his beliefs. The method of execution is irrelevant, except for its cruelty. This is another example of what can happen in a society where there is no separation of church and state.
@@saved6655 Yes, I understand this video is about Calvinism, not Calvin himself. I was just pointing out what can happen in a society where there is no separation of church and state.
@@stan1027 Calvin warned Servetus not to come to Geneva. Servetus, on his own accord, went to Geneva and was arrested. Calvin pleaded that he'd rather be beheaded, which was denied. Calvin had no political power and he was not a citizen, he was only called up as a witness. So no, no he didn't.
MY FIRST POINT: You are speaking to us about a serious topic but have not given us any sign whatsoever that you asked The LORD for understanding. This is so typical of all our leaders. How can Our LORD allow so much confusion between the LEADERS of His church? I'd better ask HIM > 🤪 NEXT POINT: It seems (to me) that the Bible has been written in such a way to cause cofussion in order to see who will discuss these issues lovingly WHILE ASKING THE HOLY SPIRIT to keep their SINFUL NATURE out of the conversation (Romans 14:19). NEXT POINT: When I meet anyone; including a leader in God's church, it becomes obvious to me that I do not have their undivided attention. Although this is a great test for me to continue to offer them my undivided attention it is still not the right way we should relate to one another (Romans 14:19) > 🤪 FINAL POINT: Unfortunately, The Bible exorts us (in many ways) to control the beast within us and that's because God will most definately USE ALL OF YOU TO GIVE ME REASONS TO WISH FOR THE RAPTURE TO COME > 🤪 Therefore I'm not going to listen to this presentation! I'm going to see how long I can stay focused on Philippians 4:8 before God sends me another DISTRACTION like this one! A mother just showed up with her very young 2 year old daughter who is running loose > 🤪 Have you ever wondered about God's many titles? He is The ROCK of my salvation, a REFUGE, a STRONG TOWER, a FORTRESS, my HIDING PLACE from ALL OF YOU! Why does God expect His students to manage themselves in the thickets by the Jordan (Jeremiah 12:5 NIV) > 🤪 I wonder if I will be happy to see anyone in Heaven if I'm not happy to see them now? And who will be happy to see me? I can only IMAGINE > 🤪
How is someone saved? Romans 10:9-11 says "but if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead you will be saved" so then "how then shall they call on him and whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach unless they are sent?" Romans 10:14-15. We still need the gospel preached we are commanded to preach it to the ends of the Earth just because God has an elected people and chooses to save does not mean that we do not need to hear and believe the saving message and believe it. "I believe in the doctrine of elected because if God would not have chosen me I'm sure I never would have chosen Him. And I'm sure He chose me before I was born or else He never would have chosen me after" (unknown)
If Calvinism is true; take it all as a whole; not half of it. As a whole would mean, yes Gods chosen will be saved, but it's also because of the MEANS. Not just the ends.
Everything that happens in history has been decreed/Predestined before the world was created see Eph 1:11, Proverbs 16:33 and Amos 3:6. And yes even when terrible things happen, I know it's hard for some people to accept but look what happened when David sinned against God and one of Davids punishments was that God told him that he was going to use Davids own son to shame his Father by Absalom Absalom doing something immoral to his Fathers concubines in front of all of Israel, see 2 Samuel 12:11-12 God said "Thus says the Lord, ‘Behold, I will raise up evil against you from your own household; I will even take your wives before your eyes and give them to your companion, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight. Indeed you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel, and under the sun." Notice how God said "I WILL DO THIS THING."That was fulfilled in 2 Samuel 16:21-22. Jesus did not die for every single person ever and Jesus didn't die to make people savable. He died to save his elect. In John 17:9 Jesus said that he does not pray for the world. The word world is used in different contexts, in that context he's talking about the non elect. In John 3:16 world means that he purchased people from every tribe, tongue and nation Rev 5:9 and for the children of God scattered abroad John 11:52. Some have been "long beforehand marked out for condemnation" Jude 4 and "appointed to doom." 1 Peter 2:8. About Pharaoh God said “For this VERY PURPOSE I raised you up, to demonstrate My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed throughout the whole earth.” So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires." Rom 9:17-18. Jesus said "I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants. Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight. All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him." Matthew 11:25-27. So, 2 Pet 3:9 the "not willing that any should perish" if you read that letter in context, 2 Pet 1:1 says "To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours." As far as salvation for all men verses, Paul was refuting the false notion of his time that God was only desiring to save just the Jews and 1 Tim 2:2 says to pray "for kings and all who are in authority" because as humans WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE ELECT ARE SO WE PRAY FOR EVERYONE! That's what it means in verse 4 by saying "all men." Amos 3:2 God said "of all the nations of the earth I have only known you." For centuries God passed over the majority of humankind because this verse isn't about knowledge it's about relationship. And it isn't because God foresaw Israel was more righteous then the other nations because sometimes Israel was more sinful then the pagan nations see 2 Kings 21:9. Only those who were predestined to be saved will be see Acts 13:48, Ephesians 1:4-5, Eph 1:11, Romans 9:11-23, John 6:37. 1 Samuel 3:14 God said “Therefore I have sworn to the house of Eli that the iniquity of Eli’s house shall not be atoned for by sacrifice or offering forever.” That's Limited atonement.
@@truthseeker5698 What is the basis for your criticism? No one can learn from personal feelings because we all have them in order for you to change the mind of those. Who are Calvin asked you have to give them a reason provide contradictory scriptures. Encourage people to get into their word get into the meat of the word . It’s the only way we can grow closer to God. The Bible says the heart is deceitfully wicked who can understand it, but God’s word you can always trust so provide some scriptures or I’ll have to delete your comment.
This is a really rough video from an indoctrinated view. There are more ways to view God and the Bible that Bezan Calvinism, and Arminian Calvinism. Both views addressed make the same simple mistake. Poor guy, he has sacrificed his unique point of view for group think. in short this video is propaganda that uses false dichotomies disguised as an educational video. predestination is a word, Augustine made it a doctrine in and of itself.
If Calvinism were true, that would also mean you could not turn away from God if you were one of "The Chosen". I'm pretty certain we ALL have the free will to turn away from God, therefore we must also all have the free will to turn to him. Calvinism CANNOT be true by its own definition.
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I like listening to Phil Johnson preach! I agree with him wholeheartedly! ✝️
It's a historical.
He has no authority...u should stop.
@@captainmarvel76927 YOU have no authority, or understanding of the Bible. YOU should stop mouthing off foolishly and study! ✝️🙏
@@LambsGrace 🤣🤣🤣🤣 neither do u, u dumbkoff. Do u realise how stupid u sound. What a herb.
@@captainmarvel76927scripture is his authority. Your authority is your feelings and fallen human opinion.
Excellent!
Remember Calvin never made a new Doctrine. He opposed the Catholic church. Going back to the early church.
Phil Johnson + John MacArthur... These guys are both amazing.
@@mariosangermano prove that John Calvin was publicly called by Jesus Christ from 2 or more witnesses to preach, teach, execute people, and adhocly determine books of the bible.
John MacArthur is a straight up heretic. I am a calvinist, but MacArthur is a straight up radical nestorian
Liars? Or mislead? @ mariosangermano
Great video, thank you very much , note to self(nts) watched 11:46
It’s so sad to see Christians working so hard to divide the body of Christ. Judgment day is coming.
1 Corinthians 10:13
No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.
Galatians 5:16
But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do.
obviously Martin Luther will think like Augustine, He was an Augustinian Monk. All the church father taught Free will. Augustine believe in free will for 20 year before he went back to gnostic views. Augustine was the first one to use psalm 51:5 to claim we are born depraved. It is just his philosophy.
Calvinism was first articulated by Augustine (a Roman Catholic) in the 4th century.
So, the Church did quite well for 300 years without this doctrine.
The Biblical doctrine of salvation is best described by the “Corporate View of Election”
or the “Provisionalist Salvation Doctrine”. Don’t look to be right; look to find truth.
AMEN!!!
John 20:27 My sheep will hear my voice and they follow me. This means there are sheep who don't hear/do not want to hear the Lord Jusus or to follow Him.
Calvinism is really Paulinism who really taugh it first to the first century Chistians..
As are the gifts and operations of Holy Spirit.
Where are you getting the Mathew 5:38 verse? In the Bible KJV Mathew 5:38 ”Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:“
Matthew 5:38 KJV. The verse you just gave is blatantly wrong
The time stamp is 20:00
They have the wrong reference there, it's actually Matthew 5: 48
“It all started with a guy named Paul…”
It started with God Our Creator. Being Saved does not start with a decision. We need to be born again. Our Salvation does not start with Jesus, It starts with the God The Father. It is the Drawing of The Father and the convicting work of the Holy Spirit. John 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. born again, means a new begin, and the old no longer exist in us. Other than the result of men’s refusal. Calvin as you can see and put the responsibility by men.
THIS IS HOW CALVIN PREACHED THE GOSPEL (Calvin's Wisdom p119-120)
He calls all men to himself, without a single exception, and gives Christ to all, that we may be illumined by him. When we pray, we ought, according to the rule of charity, to include all. God invites all indiscriminately to salvation through the Gospel, BUT THE INGRATITUDE OF THE WORLD IS THE REASON why this grace, which is equally offered to all, is enjoyed by few.
Playing a bit of devil’s advocate here: if Christians believe in a purist form of Calvinism and follow a doctrine of the elect, then why do we evangelize? In the same way Arminians can believe we shouldn’t pray for the souls of the unsaved, then why do Calvinists believe in evangelism? If God has already predetermined those that will chose Christ, then why spread the Good News?
Because the Bible says that God has chosen evangelism and preaching the Gospel as the means of salvation. That's true for Calvinists or any other Christian. So we pray and preach, and God does the work. I'm not sure that Wesley wouldn't have said the same thing.
@@RobertBarnes66 That doesn't mean you should still preach, because the question still remains, why do it? When god will manifest what is meant to happen regardless of your actions, so to make an action or to not is gods will, right?
@@Marzaries You are assuming the position of the Calvinist is hard determinism (using a philosophical term). You mistake the Calvinist for Islam or some other deterministic worldview, where the ends happen in spite of the means. We are soft determinism.
The Calvinistic view of God's will is much more like the movie Arrival--with Louise' decisions being impregnated with deeper meaning as she knows what is to come. But her decisions are not only real in spite of the known and settled future, but given greater meaning.
@@RobertBarnes66 That makes sense thanks, I am definitely ignorant on theological concepts.
@@Marzaries Are you saying that we are having a civil mutually satisfying conversation youtube? THERE IS A GOD. CHECKMATE ATHEISTS!
If you go back in church history.... Look for the ones who died for faith and truth... Those are the ones the world hated.... Just like Jesus. They hated them. Because they first hated him.
I think the 5 points were first used by Lorraine Boetter, and as you said as a memory aide,
Actually, they corresponded to the points addressed by the "remonstrance" brought by Arminius' followers at the Synod of Dort....where the reformed church pronounced them to be heresy. Today's opponents of reformed theology likely don't even know their own history.
"15 years after he came to the lord". I have been saved for the Past 15 years and recently became a Calvinist
Amen, Brother!
How can a Calvinist be "saved" I thought they were "Chosen"?? If Calvinism were true, that would also mean you could not turn away from God if you were one of "The Chosen". I'm pretty certain we ALL have the free will to turn away from God, therefore we must also all have the free will to turn to him. Calvinism CANNOT be true by its own definition.
@@dwiggle10 ...Then you do not know how we are saved if you think we can lose our Salvation. Salvation is from beginning to end a work of God. It's starts before the foundation of the world. The Father Chooses. Then in time...at an appointed time, chosen by God...He sends the Holy Spirit to come and awaken us.... regenerating us into New Spiritual life. What Jesus called the New Birth. John 3:3, 5. He said "You must be Born Again." To even see the Kingdom of God. And then to enter in. It's not optional. But there's a time for us before it happened to us. When we were still sinners, not able to come too or please God. I foolishly thought that l was saved. And when it happened....it's unbelievable...this miracle that we know is a supernatural working of God. He could of not saved me. But oh how l love him now. Praise, honor and glory will always pour forth from my lips. He changed my heart. God is the object of all praise. Try parking in Romans 9... Until you can completely accept what Paul tells us about God here. Here's what's hard for everyone. That maybe our families won't be saved. But the truth is... they wouldn't have chosen it anyway. Pray for them. Trust God. God's ways are higher than ours...his thoughts higher than ours. 📖✝️🙏
@@dwiggle10 I've thought that too, raised to believe like you, but recently been digging into it for myself. I asked my boss one day about that type of thing. "Once saved always saved" he believes it and I didn't because of free will. I asked him and he basically asked me back, anyone who chooses to turn away from God, wasn't really saved anyway. I scratched my head on that one? I don't know man, I just don't know...
@@michellecheriekjv4115 AMEN AMEN 🙏🏾🙏🏾
If there is a Calvinist reading this, can you answer one simple question that I have:
"Did God decide to create billions of people with absolutely no choice to repent so that they can be tormented forever in hell for his pleasure?"
I just cannot wrap my brain around this thought so could a Calvinist enlighten me on this? Is this truly what a Calvinist believes?
Calvinist believe in the whole bible not just the scriptures that make us feel good about our self's
if you look at Matthews 13 and do you think God was teaching us some truth of just telling a story?
and in Eph 1:4 truth or story? we all have a choice you can believe that the word in you was planted in good soil or not or chosen before the world was created or not? Judas role was predicted to betray Jesus right? if it didn't happen no salvation! how did Judas land that role? did God have a hand it it? did God know the future? Jesus knew ahead of time how? how long did he know? before the earth was created?
Let God answer your question. Isaiah 55:9-10. “For My thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways My ways says the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are my ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts.”
Hello, brother. This is a classic question that needs to be addressed sincerely. I've wrestled with it a lot, so I'll answer you this way.
The Bible teaches two things which apparently contradict:
1. We are responsible moral beings who must accept or reject Christ.
2. God predestined the elect for salvation.
I can prove these points from scripture, although I do not understand how they can both be true at the same time.
So, how does it work?
I don't know, but I'm convinced the Bible teaches these doctrines. It's a divine mystery, much like the Trinity and the incarnation.
I hope this helps.
God Bless,
Andy
@@andyontheinternet5777 I’ve learned one thing Andy. If a person doesn’t believe or if a person rejects the the Doctrine of Sovereign Election, nothing you can say, no scripture you can point them to, nothing is going to convince them, nothing is gonna to change their mind, nothing is going to cause them to believe. In fact, being a Calvinist in their minds is equivalent to being a self righteous liar. Only they know the mind of God. I stopped even trying to have a conversation with them because I’ve come to learn what I’m up against. And that is the power of unbelief.
@@flybunny58this doesn't answer the question. You mentioned choice. So doesn't choice denote free will. This is confusion...of the highest order
History....It tells the truth. What a mess we are in today. Calvin & Augustin would turn over in their graves!
That's why CHRIST JESUS IS ON THE THRONE
NO TURNING IN THE GRAVE
HE SEES AND KNOWS IT ALL
Timothy, both Augustine and Calvin were promoters of torture and physical violence for heresy, basically for people that don't accept they're way of interpreting the text. Yeah, that sounds like nice guys...
It was already messy while they were alive.
Funny, he was a Methodist Christian and now a Calvinist Christian. In both cases, he has a name that lives but is dead, Rev 3:10.
It seems to me, nobody special, that Calvinism is based on imaginative reading of various passages in the Book. A good example is the opening verse used here, Ephesians 1:4 ; "He chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him."
It does not say - He chose us TO BE in him before the foundation of the world - but it's treated here as if it did say that. Without that additional verbiage, it (seems to me) that it means the people who are in him at that moment, which is who the writer was addressing, early followers of Christ.
Who cares what it seems to you. What is the text implying. You trying to argue based of eisegesis rather than exegesis.
@@michaelbanda9993 - Oh, excuuuuswe me, I didn't say It seems to me, nobody special, the text is implying . .
were you there before the foundation of the world?
@@jalapeno.tabasco- It seems to me, nobody special, that the text is implying, that none of us humans existed before the foundation of the world. And hence we should not believe some ideas that come into some imaginative humans' minds when they read some text in such a way as to make God out to be the author of each and every heinous thing humans have ever done.
Humans are fallible, it seems blatantly obvious to me, and therefore risking one's immortal soul on what some happen to make of a few passages is unwise, by default. If they were/are wrong in their interpretations in this case, and we tell others they were/are right, we will have falsely accused God of being directly responsible for a great many heinous things. (And if they were/are right in their interpretations, we will have gained nothing at all.)
What about when Jesus says that "you don't believe because you are not my sheep". In other words, NOT BEING A SHEEP is the REASON they don't believe.
It's a historical you can't find it in the fist century or second century.
Thank you brother!!!
The problem with the Calvinistic view of soteriology is that it contradicts John 3:16. Jesus died for the "whoever"s of the World. Whoever believes are the elect, the predestined. . .
Not at all. The problem you're having is not understanding the total depravity of man at birth who would not seek God unless God called him or moved him to come. (Romans 8:30 and John 6)
Agreed...If Calvinism were true, that would also mean you could not turn away from God if you were one of "The Chosen". I'm pretty certain we ALL have the free will to turn away from God, therefore we must also all have the free will to turn to him. Calvinism CANNOT be true by its own definition.
John 3-16 says for God so loved the world that he gave his only son for whom so ever. Believes in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life. So remember it’s saying loves the world (Not) going to save the word
Whoever means 'anyone' - NOT 'everyone'. Please stop twisting something so basic.
@@dwiggle10 we cart turn to him oh from him Ephesians 1 13-15 John 6-37-44 Just to start.
If you are a Christian, you likely "have a name that lives but are dead." (Rev 3:1)
"Its," not "It's," please in the title.
Why pray for others? Because God will show his glory.
How are you going to reconcilate John 3:16 does it says jesus died for the elected only or to the whle world whom who belive shall have eternal life. I am not saying with out helpe of the Holy spirit could understand the salvation,but I am saying they could chose after it is reveald to them. God even in the old testament in the book of Deutronomey I put life and death, before you choose life. So if it is not given will to chose so why we are told to go and tell the gospel to all people in the whole world. I belive God he mean it and provided it to all humanity. Even paul said sin come through one persone to all humanity. Then did he said grace came only to the elect? please keep the whole word of God.
@@tsegaytea I think the problem your having you failed to understand that no one knows who’s God elect is like no one knows who saved and who’s not saved. We can guess by ones behavior but even ones behavior can fool you. The Bible even says that in the last days that even God select might be fooled
What we do know is that many are called but you are chosen and those are chosen, were chosen before the foundation of the world No one really knows except the believer and God
The whosoever in John 3:16 are all the believing. But we have to back up and realize that no unregenerat person is going to believe the gospel, nor can he because he is dead in his sin. Until a man is born again, he doesn't have the ears to hear and be converted. See John 3:8 After the Holy Spirit Quickens the Elect, they are granted faith and can believe and be converted.
Did you feel a drawing from God to believe in Him? ❤
thank u for the missing early historical "details."
Calvinism is 100% heresy. It is a slap in the face of GOD. According to Calvinism, no one can choose of their own accord to receive the gospel. No one can decide that they want to love GOD. Just imagine that a man loves a woman, and the only way he could ever marry her is if he preprogrammed her to love him and accept his proposal. Calvinism is a monstrous doctrine from the devil himself.
Bad analogy. You are fighting straman -punching on air
To whomsoever will. God does not pick for you. You choose exactly where you go.
Hahahaha you cannot force yourself on God!
Whoever's name was not written in the lambs book of life before the foundation of the world was thrown into the lake of fire 🔥
Hahahaha you cannot force yourself on God!
Whoever's name was not written in the lambs book of life before the foundation of the world was thrown into the lake of fire 🔥
Hahahaha you cannot force yourself on God!
Whoever's name was not written in the lambs book of life before the foundation of the world was thrown into the lake of fire 🔥
Hahahaha you cannot force yourself on God!
Whoever's name was not written in the lambs book of life before the foundation of the world was thrown into the lake of fire 🔥
Hahahaha you cannot force yourself on God!
Whoever's name was not written in the lambs book of life before the foundation of the world was thrown into the lake of fire 🔥
Imagine thinking that God wills sin being a Biblical concept. It isn't. This is purely platonic/ gnostic philosophy re-packaged as "christian" even though it explicitly contradicts the Bible.
First of all who are we to judge God? some might think God was wrong to hurt Job and not even tell him why he did it? or sending satan to earth knowing what he would do? or creating satan so beautiful he would sin? or knowing judas would betray the lord before the foundation of the world did judas have a choice in his roll? we can say a lot of things but who are we to judge God i love Gods answer to Job. what we do know is God knows the future he know what were going to do before we do it. you might ask then whats the sense? its about the glory of God. God let sin in the world cause with out it were's the glory? can there be light with out darkness? you could say it was you that found God but then you rob god of glory, you could say it was you that kept your salvation all these years , but again you rob god of glory, we are sealed for the day of redemption and we all ran from god like adam and god found us and he is glorified.
why do you think god choose Israel to be he's chosen people? personally i think because they best represent how deceitful the heart really is.
if god delivered your life of slavery by breaking the laws of nature over and over walking by a pillar of fire by night and would still want to worship a stick or a stone then the God that delivered you you must be really sick.
He missed out perseverance of the saints.
Sister is in town town ٪_,
*HOW FREE WILL IN CALVINISM WORKS*
John Calvin
-quote
The eternal predestination of god, by which before the fall of Adam he decreed what should take place concerning the whole human race and every individual, was *FIXED* and determined. (Concerning the Eternal Predestination of God, pg 121)
THEREFORE:
1) The creature is NOT FREE to be or do that which is not infallibly decreed
2) The creature is ONLY FREE to be or do that which is infallibly decreed
3) The creature is NOT FREE to countervail, overrule, or falsify an infallible decree.
4) Every impulse of the creature's will - is *FIXED* and determined - by eternal predestination.
Therefore it logically follows - Adam was NOT FREE to NOT eat the fruit.
@KTTGHMTJWYCBLAC DW Exactly!
For the brain to be able to discern TRUE from FALSE on any matter - would require the brain making a choice between TRUE and FALSE on that matter.
And that would constitute what Jon Edwards called a "Contrary" choice - which does not exist for a brain in which every perception is FIXED by infallible decree.
Dr. John Searle - Professor Emeritus of the Philosophy of Mind and Language - Berkeley
-quote
“Rationality only makes a difference where there is the possibility of irrationality.
And all rational activity logically presupposes Libertarian Free Will.
This becomes obvious when one realizes that rationality is possible only where one has a choice among various rational as well as irrational options.” End quote - (Rationality in Action)
William Lane Craig
-quote
Eeterminists recognize they have to act *AS-IF* they have option(S) to weigh, and can decide on what course of action to take….. (Determinism is unlivable)
Gregory Koukl
-quote
The problem with determinism, is that ... rationality would have no room to operate. Arguments would not matter, since no one would be able to base beliefs on adequate reasons. One could never judge between a good idea and a bad one. One would only hold beliefs because he has been predetermined to do so. Although it is theoretically possible that determinism is true.....no one could ever know if it - if it were. Everyone of our thoughts dispositions and opinions would have been decided for us by factors completely out of our control. Therefore in practice, arguments for determinism are self defeating.”
Thank you for the great history. You are a good teacher. Since you have a problem with the command ‘Be ye perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect’. I suggest you read paper one/book one of the Urantia papers
(If you dare) I call the book BBC-intelligence. It will shed a lot of light on Gods purpose in creation. I read both books daily (scriptures and BBC Revelation. They are complementary. D
BBC-intel. (Big Book of Cosmic Intelligence) It is definitely a Trinitarian and Christian book. Mind expanding and mind blowing! D
If only this man has the Spirit of God in him. 🤦♂️
You poor man - charismatics like you do not have the third person of the trinity within you because you have another gospel and so your “doctrine of the Holy Spirit” is all wrong - He has the spirit of God
@@dougmcminn9346 my brother Doug, I will remember you in my prayers for when I think about the love with which God created your soul, I have no option but to pray for you. 😊
Total Depravity, "doesn't mean we're all as bad as Hitler" HA! This dude is funny, but great in the sense that I love his lesson. I understand:)
There’s nowhere in the Bible that teaches original sin!! Never mind Pelagius. What does scripture say. To be tainted by sin and it’s consequences does not make us guilty for another’s sin . The Bible says the whole creation groans in expectation awaiting our adoption. The whole creation was put under the curse yet committed no sin. Did the earth and animals sin? No, yet they suffer under the curse. Paul says plainly that by one man sin entered the world and DEATH!! Passed upon all men. The curse of sin, not responsibility and guilt for another man’s sin. Who could Adam and Eve have to blame? Did someone sin before them? What about Cain? God told Cain if thou doest well shall thou not be accepted? God refuted to Israel their parable that one generation was being punished for another generations sins. Ezekiel. He said no, but that the soul that sinneth it shall die. Stop quoting men to make a position or argument for or against a man made doctrine. The Bible is it’s own authority and commentary. God is absolutely sovereign and man was created with a Will. The ability to choose. Btw, did Satan have a will or the angels who followed him? He must have. He turned on God and was cast out with his followers many of who left their first estate and cohabitated with woman and were bound. The scripture is plain!! Angels and mankind are accountable to the sovereign God for their choices and in mankind’s case he stepped in and freely offered his salvation and paid the sin debt and satisfied the laws demands and Gods righteousness and holiness. What will you do with that? You will be judged accordingly !
False
And you clearly dont understand Calvinism because it teaches that man have a will and makes choices 🤣
Three types of people with the Lord . Sovereignty of God is going over your head.
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
- Revelation 17:14
I turned it off when he intoned that a verse from Romans Chapter 9 was the voice of God. If you believe that the Bible was divinely-inspired, but that it's all God speaking to you unmediated, then you believe that God is a bad author who wastes our time with all the "Thus Saith the Lord" sections.
Paul takes pains to frequently point out that he is giving pastoral advice and not simply writing the commandments of God. All of his letters DEMAND contextualization and study. This is paying proper due to God's full glory and magnificence in working subtleties and mysteries.
Any ordinary person is capable of achieving a deep understanding of scripture.
lol; you realize Romans 9:15 is God speaking to Moses that Paul is using a direct quote from Exodus 33:19..
You turned it off when he quoted the bible hahahahahahah
You dont believe the bible is divinely inspired hahahaha
You think an ordinary person can understand scripture hahahahahah
Wow you are not bright at all i hope things change for you
You must repent and be born again of the Spirit from Above!
I don’t struggle with Gods sovereignty and election and predestination at all. I also totally reject Calvinism and embrace Arminianism with no scriptural conflict at all.
You struggle with the truth. Arminianism is a straight up contradiction to the entire Bible.
Pelagieus was rather a "Semi-Pelagian" than a "Pelagian"
why do you say that?
Learning Sound Theology As I understand Pelagius saw salvation as a joint effect of human effort and God's grace. He denies the concept of "total human depravity", yet he speaks of "our own inability to do any good thing at all without God". He says: " Free will we do so own, as to say that we always stand in need of God’s help." The quotes are from one of Pelagius' letters.
www.earlychurchtexts.com/public/pelagius_letter_and_confession_to_innocent.htm
I do not know if one could call that "Semi-Pelagianism". But it does not sound like "Pelagianism". He clearly states that we need God's grace not to sin, but he does not conclude that human nature is evil. Like, if a man is not strong enough to carry a horse, that does not mean he has no strength at all.
Is this similar to Arminianism?
One of the things I have found to help keep things into prospective is to remember that we will never know the mind of God, and why God does what he does, its always better to stay with what scripture says and leave analogies and human reasoning out of theology or else God may rebuke us like this.ps 50:21-23 When you did these things, I remained silent.That made you think I was like you. I will argue my point with you and lay it all out for you to see 22Consider this, you people who forget God. Otherwise, I will tear you to pieces, and there will be no one left to rescue you.23 Whoever offers thanks as a sacrifice honors me. I will let everyone who continues in my way see the salvation that comes from God.”
we know it says in Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? other translation say their is no cure. this verse gives no hope for mankind other then the hope of Jesus Christ as far as free will goes i believe we have free will we just refuse to exercise our free will from the beginning of time man has always hidden himself from God even when we sin we do it like God is not watching
thank you for watching my videos it means a lot to me. try to share Jesus Christ as much as i can daily and your comments help me even more they challenge me to look up scripture
Calvinism and Arminianism are not the only options
Try reading the whole Bible and you will come to neither extremes.
Our choice and God’s choice are two sides of the same coin, and they both happened at the same time; the very beginning. Because with God there is no time. Absolutely everything was known the moment everything was created.
So stop wasting your time preaching Calvinism and start preaching the gospel.
Tell us about what John Calvin did to Michael Servetus, and why he did it!
Maybe you didn’t catch it this doctrine is not detailed off of Calvin. Watch the video
Calvin didn't do anything to Servestus.
Servestus slandered Calvin, after a time of correspondence, in his book (which was filled with heresy). Thinking the Catholic Church would let it slide since they too rejected Calvin, he published the work. Consequently the Catholic Church arrested him and burn him at the stake.
You know what Calvin did? Nothing. He has the least significance in his death. The Roman Catholics were the ones who killed him. All that Calvin did was try to appeal for a death that wasn't as inhumane as being burned at the stake, and that appeal was ultimately rejected.
@@yuypergollece6187 The "heresy" you spoke of all boils down to this one question, for which Servetus was ultimately burned at the stake: Was Jesus the "eternal son of god", or was he the "son of the eternal god". Calvin thought the first was true, and Servetus the second. You say it was the Roman Catholics who killed him, when in fact is was Calvin who sentenced him to die for his beliefs. The method of execution is irrelevant, except for its cruelty. This is another example of what can happen in a society where there is no separation of church and state.
@@saved6655 Yes, I understand this video is about Calvinism, not Calvin himself. I was just pointing out what can happen in a society where there is no separation of church and state.
@@stan1027 Calvin warned Servetus not to come to Geneva. Servetus, on his own accord, went to Geneva and was arrested. Calvin pleaded that he'd rather be beheaded, which was denied. Calvin had no political power and he was not a citizen, he was only called up as a witness.
So no, no he didn't.
MY FIRST POINT:
You are speaking to us about a serious topic but have not given us any sign whatsoever that you asked The LORD for understanding.
This is so typical of all our leaders. How can Our LORD allow so much confusion between the LEADERS of His church? I'd better ask HIM > 🤪
NEXT POINT:
It seems (to me) that the Bible has been written in such a way to cause cofussion in order to see who will discuss these issues lovingly WHILE ASKING THE HOLY SPIRIT to keep their SINFUL NATURE out of the conversation (Romans 14:19).
NEXT POINT:
When I meet anyone; including a leader in God's church, it becomes obvious to me that I do not have their undivided attention. Although this is a great test for me to continue to offer them my undivided attention it is still not the right way we should relate to one another (Romans 14:19) > 🤪
FINAL POINT:
Unfortunately, The Bible exorts us (in many ways) to control the beast within us and that's because God will most definately USE ALL OF YOU TO GIVE ME REASONS TO WISH FOR THE RAPTURE TO COME > 🤪
Therefore I'm not going to listen to this presentation!
I'm going to see how long I can stay focused on Philippians 4:8 before God sends me another DISTRACTION like this one!
A mother just showed up with her very young 2 year old daughter who is running loose > 🤪
Have you ever wondered about God's many titles?
He is The ROCK of my salvation, a REFUGE, a STRONG TOWER, a FORTRESS, my HIDING PLACE from ALL OF YOU!
Why does God expect His students to manage themselves in the thickets by the Jordan (Jeremiah 12:5 NIV) > 🤪
I wonder if I will be happy to see anyone in Heaven if I'm not happy to see them now?
And who will be happy to see me?
I can only IMAGINE > 🤪
I stopped reading after the first point because it was already flawed in theology and manner
If Calvinism is true, we need no churches, the Bible, outreach ect. All who will be saved is already chosen. Nothing can change that.
How is someone saved? Romans 10:9-11 says "but if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead you will be saved" so then "how then shall they call on him and whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach unless they are sent?" Romans 10:14-15. We still need the gospel preached we are commanded to preach it to the ends of the Earth just because God has an elected people and chooses to save does not mean that we do not need to hear and believe the saving message and believe it. "I believe in the doctrine of elected because if God would not have chosen me I'm sure I never would have chosen Him. And I'm sure He chose me before I was born or else He never would have chosen me after" (unknown)
If Calvinism is true; take it all as a whole; not half of it. As a whole would mean, yes Gods chosen will be saved, but it's also because of the MEANS. Not just the ends.
So how do you answer John 6:44?
Don't be silly, the bible tells us to do all those things because they are the MEANS God uses to accomplish HIs purposes.
Everything that happens in history has been decreed/Predestined before the world was created see Eph 1:11, Proverbs 16:33 and Amos 3:6. And yes even when terrible things happen, I know it's hard for some people to accept but look what happened when David sinned against God and one of Davids punishments was that God told him that he was going to use Davids own son to shame his Father by Absalom Absalom doing something immoral to his Fathers concubines in front of all of Israel, see 2 Samuel 12:11-12 God said "Thus says the Lord, ‘Behold, I will raise up evil against you from your own household; I will even take your wives before your eyes and give them to your companion, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight. Indeed you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel, and under the sun." Notice how God said "I WILL DO THIS THING."That was fulfilled in 2 Samuel 16:21-22. Jesus did not die for every single person ever and Jesus didn't die to make people savable. He died to save his elect. In John 17:9 Jesus said that he does not pray for the world. The word world is used in different contexts, in that context he's talking about the non elect. In John 3:16 world means that he purchased people from every tribe, tongue and nation Rev 5:9 and for the children of God scattered abroad John 11:52. Some have been "long beforehand marked out for condemnation" Jude 4 and "appointed to doom." 1 Peter 2:8. About Pharaoh God said “For this VERY PURPOSE I raised you up, to demonstrate My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed throughout the whole earth.” So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires." Rom 9:17-18. Jesus said "I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants. Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight. All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him." Matthew 11:25-27. So, 2 Pet 3:9 the "not willing that any should perish" if you read that letter in context, 2 Pet 1:1 says "To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours." As far as salvation for all men verses, Paul was refuting the false notion of his time that God was only desiring to save just the Jews and 1 Tim 2:2 says to pray "for kings and all who are in authority" because as humans WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE ELECT ARE SO WE PRAY FOR EVERYONE! That's what it means in verse 4 by saying "all men." Amos 3:2 God said "of all the nations of the earth I have only known you." For centuries God passed over the majority of humankind because this verse isn't about knowledge it's about relationship. And it isn't because God foresaw Israel was more righteous then the other nations because sometimes Israel was more sinful then the pagan nations see 2 Kings 21:9. Only those who were predestined to be saved will be see Acts 13:48, Ephesians 1:4-5, Eph 1:11, Romans 9:11-23, John 6:37. 1 Samuel 3:14 God said “Therefore I have sworn to the house of Eli that the iniquity of Eli’s house shall not be atoned for by sacrifice or offering forever.” That's Limited atonement.
Too many gods! I just use my commonsense and stick to science which is the only objective truth.
Common sense leads you to bottomless pit.😢
A great work of the Satan, Calvinism reformed theology.
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What is the basis for your criticism? No one can learn from personal feelings because we all have them in order for you to change the mind of those. Who are Calvin asked you have to give them a reason provide contradictory scriptures. Encourage people to get into their word get into the meat of the word . It’s the only way we can grow closer to God. The Bible says the heart is deceitfully wicked who can understand it, but God’s word you can always trust so provide some scriptures or I’ll have to delete your comment.
@ whosoever will, very basic. Tell me flybunny, what’s the good news in Calvinism ?
Threatening to delete my comment is ridiculous!
I am a baptist.not calvinist.
terrible straw man lies. How can this guy look in the mirror deliberately LYING about what non-calvinists believe. shame on you/
Run from Calvinism and every other man created denomination , the doctrines of demons
This is a really rough video from an indoctrinated view. There are more ways to view God and the Bible that Bezan Calvinism, and Arminian Calvinism. Both views addressed make the same simple mistake.
Poor guy, he has sacrificed his unique point of view for group think.
in short this video is propaganda that uses false dichotomies disguised as an educational video.
predestination is a word, Augustine made it a doctrine in and of itself.
False teachers
If Calvinism were true, that would also mean you could not turn away from God if you were one of "The Chosen". I'm pretty certain we ALL have the free will to turn away from God, therefore we must also all have the free will to turn to him. Calvinism CANNOT be true by its own definition.
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