I was a firm atheist and God was nothing but a made up entity humans created to make them feel comfortable about death. Jesus found me and now I believe. I'm a Calvinist simply because I cannot possibly conceive that what happened to my mind and my heart wasn't supernatural and an act iniciated solely by the Lord's grace. I could NEVER choose God. God choose me.
Nathan: Of all of the perceptions which currently exist within your thinking - what percentage of them are FALSE perceptions? You don't have the ability to discern that. And you should know that discerning TRUE from FALSE on any matter is totally determined by your perceptions on that matter. Determinism stipulates - that all perceptions which come to pass within your brain are determined by an external mind. You are not permitted to discern true perceptions from false perceptions which currently exist within your brain. Thus on determinism - you have no ability to discern TRUE from FALSE on any matter.
Ephesians 1:4 KJV 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: ... I looked up the word "US" ...in my Strong's concordance for Ephesians 1:4... "US" is not a limiting word..it means "US"... God has predestined everyone of "US" to be saved....but he love "US" so much that he gave "US" a Free Will choice, "Whosoever Will".... John 3:16: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:18: “He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” John 3:36: “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” John 5:24: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.” John 6:35: “And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.” John 6:40: “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. “ John 6:47: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.” John 7:38: “He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.” John 8:24: “I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.” John 11:25: “Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:” John 11:26: “And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?” John 12:46: “I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.” John 16:27: “For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.” John 20:31: “But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.” Acts 2:21: “And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Acts 5:14: “And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)” Acts 8:12: “But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.” Acts 8:13: “Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.” Acts 8:37 (8:35-38): “Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.” Here are just some of the verses that say we are saved by faith....
Thank you Jeff for doing this, I'm a truck driver and can't always make it to church, but your sermons help me to praise God while on the road. Thank you again and God bless.
You have learned that God is a pompous prideful arrogant uncaring unfeeling puppet master that has chosen men to go to hell through no choice of their own? That is the God you serve????? Better read your Bible again. This is DAMNING HERESY.
gladiator8324 most calvinists I know are pretty willing to admit that this is just one of the ways to interpret scripture, Gods love is still present, and is even seemingly deepened by such understandings, also, no, Calvinists dont believe God is a puppet master, and no they dont think God sends men to hell through no choice of their own. Just because you fail to see the arguments theyve laid out does not mean you can just call it a "damning heresy". Instead of telling people who choose to let the scripture create their doctrine to go read the bible again, why dont you ask them to show you where in scripture they are drawing such doctrine? I bet youd learn a lot more about your position that way rather than just yelling heresy at people you dont understand.
my firm disagreement with Calvinism is not over God’s sovereignty, which I fully embrace and to which I submit. The issue is whether God loves all without partiality and desires all to be saved. Unquestionably, Calvinism denies such love; but the Bible, in the clearest language repeatedly declares God’s love to all and His desire that all should be saved and none should be lost
But wouldn't you agree that love, in order for it to be truly genuine, must be discriminate? An wouldn't God, who is all-powerful, be able to save those He "desires", even if they were at first unwilling?
PatternSon He wants to save everyone... But he gives us free will to choose to come to him. And this dumb argument saying he can't save people he wants to...... He can... but chooses to let us choose for ourselves. Repentance is a choice. True love discriminate?? That's a crazy thought process.
No, God does not love all without partiality, that is obvious. though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad-in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls- she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” Romans 9:11-13 I am sure you have read that before, but this verse and many others definitely demonstrate that God does not love all the same. Does a father love other children to the same extent that he loves is own? I think that is what PatternSon means when he says "doesn't true love discriminate", of course it does, how else could a person know if a father loves his son if it were not obvious that he shows more affection to his son over others.
LOL! Well God's ways have WAY more depth then that, for one, everyone has a purpose, we do not always like the purpose, but everyone is made for a purpose, and not everyone likes the idea that some people are made for honorable use and other dishonorable but hey that is what the Bible says. The Bible also says that "no one seeks after God" so unless God actually chooses some to be saved then non would be.
ML Wilson no God gives free will for us to make a choice..... God wants us all to choose him.. That doesn't make it so he's not sovereign.... His sovereignty gives us free will... And that doesn't make it universalism either..
Over the past year, I've been leaning more toward calvinist theology. This has illuminated me into seeking more and more towards the Truth. Definitely a lot to meditate on. Thank you Pastor Durbin!
David Witkop II when I got saved I didn’t know what Calvinism was....the more I studied the Word and started to watch debates on the subject there’s no doubt that Reformed Theology is consistent and biblical. It’s a tough pill to swallow but it’s God centered....Arminianism is man centered.
I would suggest you study and pray hard on this subject and maybe listen to men like Dr. Brown for an alternative view. In my study, I've found no redeeming aspects of Calvinism. I know there are a lot of good Christians that hold to this theology, but in my opinion it belittles God. My God is big enough to give me free will and still foreknow my choices. My free will does not endanger His sovereignty in any way. As far as I can see, there is no way to accept Calvinism without changing the very nature of God. Love, mercy, and justice must all be redefined. Just one man's opinion. God bless your journey!
@@mcochran4307 I started out as a Christian with the Armenian view. The thing that got me to question it is the question: Why do some people believe, while others don't? We are all spiritually dead coming into the world according to the Bible, so I never understood why someone could repent and believe while someone else wouldn't. The only way that would be possible is if I had something in me that the non believer didn't have. Was I born with a better, softer heart than the non-believer? Am I inherently better than the non-believer? Why did I accept the gospel while a non-believer rejected it? That gives me something to boast about if it came from within me. The belief that I was regenerated before I repented and believed just makes more sense to me. It was all an act of God. Everyone comes into the world spiritually dead and inclined towards sin. Also if everyone comes into the world spiritually dead, I don't see how God could look down the corridor of time and see people choosing Him. The only reason anyone comes to faith and repents is because God replaces the heart of stone with a heart of flesh and draws us toward Christ. I always see people trying to prove that God exists and the Bible is real to non-believers with no avail. Have you ever asked yourself where did my faith come from? Yes it comes from hearing the Gospel, but if it were just the gospel that creates faith, then everyone who hears it would believe, but that isn't the case. 1 Cor 1:18 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 1 Cor 1:22-24 For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. Also I don't believe that Calvinism says that we don't have free will. I still believe in free-will. I just believe that we are all dead in sin and blinded to God by our flesh, the world, and Satan. So by our nature, we will always choose sin instead of God. However once God regenerates us and opens our eyes, our wills change to repent and put our faith in Jesus Christ. God doesn't force us to love Him, our wills change once our eyes are opened. Anyways that's my view on it. I could go into more detail about different aspects, but I am also still learning. I just wanted to point out that the main thing that made me question my Arminian view was why do some people believe while others don't. God bless
@@mcochran4307 I appreciate your concern regarding Truth and the true nature of God. For me it seems to describe God and Christ bigger than ever. But that's my view and opinion in love from one brother in Christ to another. Much love man.
chrisxx I thought only the gospel can change a life rather than a sermon then you must be a calvinist like pastor jeff. explain to me if you will about calvinism as no one so far can convince me of calvinism. perhaps you can help me please.
@Adrian Pritchard You claimed Jesus didn't die for everybody but that contradicts the bible unless you don't believe in the bible. I quote this bible verse; (1Jn 2:2) And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. He died for the sins of the whole world and that is what the bible says. I don't see in the bible that commanded us to go to south Africa as sinners around the world need to hear the gospel too. I don't look to James White or Paul but I look to the gospel of Christ for my salvation. There is more of the bible you need to learn Adrian.
@Adrian Pritchard If Jesus died for every man, how is it that some are lost and sent to eternal damnation? If you believe that Christ died for all, but all are saved, you are saying that "Salvation is of the Lord" is a lie. In your scheme, salvation is of man. Man's will trumps God's will. God saves those who save themselves by choosing correctly. Right?
@@93556108 1 John in chapter 2 starts of with my little children so for him to say that means he’s talking to the saved Christines the sins for the whole world means sins for he’s elect from all the world Ephesians two explains we are getting our trespasses and sins he makes us alive dead men cart bring them selfs back to life it’s all God is doing oh he’s not God and definitely can’t be sovereign if you think he dies for every one.
I'm only about 17 minutes in. I've never understood why this is a controversy in the first place, especially as it pertains to evangelism. God knows whom He has chosen. We do not! It's not our job to figure that out. We preach to everyone and leave the results to Him. On the flip side, if you don't believe God chooses people, you still preach to everyone and leave the results to him. I don't understand the big deal.
Exactly. I've been wrestling with this for a long time, which side of the controversy is right. But honestly I don't believe it's always our place to know.
God does not choose some people, randomly, for eternal suffering in hell. That is a false god and not the true God of the Bible. John 3:17 clearly states all of humanity has the ability, possibility and potentiality to believe and be saved, all. To preach anything else is to preach lies and heresy. For 101 more verses that refute Calvinism see my study at diekrupt.blogspot.com
Janne2 Olof If not save both persons as you stated above, at least allow everyone the same opportunity of salvation. Ad I understand Calvinism, God "calls out: only to the Elect. Where do verses like John 3:16 "whosoever believes" and 1Timothy 2:4 "all men to be saved". I've wrestled with this doctrine and I can't believe God wouldn't give each person a chance at Redemption. Acts 10;34 says God is no respecter of persons.
The Big Deal is that Calvinists are taking clear biblical teaching and reaching conclusions beyond what the text says. If you follow Calvinists' thinking, here's the BIG DEAL: THERE IS NO CHANCE OF SALVATION IF YOU'RE NOT THE ELECT. That is NOT the God I serve!!!
The strange thing about Calvinism is in trying to reconcile its supposed deep concern with doctrinal purity with its belief in predestination to salvation and its necessary flip side, predestination to damnation. If a person is predestined to salvation, no amount of false doctrine will ultimately prevent them from being saved. If a person is predestined to damnation, no amount of truth will reach them. So exactly who is false doctrine a "danger" to, and exactly who is truth a help to?
This is a fantastic point. I was just thinking the same thing over the past few weeks. I can't get past this either. This kind of predestination is dangerous because it removes all value from our choices and renders us all meaningless. Sin is also meaningless. If God wills us to "sin" then it is no longer sin because it conforms to the will of God.
if we are predestined i literally want to be dead now. such a good comment. why are we preaching? why are missionaries risking their lives and their children's lives to preach when there is literally no point. lol here's the good news except it's horrible if you're headed for death no matter what.
Is it not, rather, that those missionaries are on the exact mission to save those who have been predestined. You can't look at God from a human perspective since the father is not in time and does not in time in the same way we do. You know that if you are in Christ you believed in Christ, it wasn't Christ forcing you to believe. So why do we think that people who run from God expienece this divine blindness, maybe it is but often I would say it is a blindness of sin itself that suppresses the knowledge of God. What do you think
@@Destroyerpan 1 Corinthians 2:14 " the natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned".
YES!!!!!! I couldn't agree more. That's a fantastic point. Why debate truth or discuss truth if it has no effect on anyone or any situation. Sure, God COULD predetermine everything. He's the creator, He can do whatever He wants. But all His commands would contradict themselves if predetermined salvation is true.
Common reaction to election John 6:65 Then he said, "That is why I said that people can't come to me unless the Father gives them to me."From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.
@@CoffeeCoffeeCoffee86 so there is no assurance in Calvinism.. all you can really do is look to your perseverance, which sounds like works.. and hope you got a golden ticket..
Calvinism is not about grace. It is about pride. Pride in ourselves for being chosen and pride in Calvin. Too many Calvinists simply don't care about the unsaved. For every verse that supports so called calvinism there is another verse that clearly states Jesus died for all and God desires that no one perish. We emphasize Bible verses that support our own denomination bias. There are unquestionably born again believers on both sides of this argument.
If thats true they arent saved. You may be referring to the "Cage Stage" A true believer in Christ knows its nothing of themselves and remain gracious and meek. Not to be confused with allowing false teaching and sin to be rampant in the church. The modern church is passive and Reformed churches call it out. Thats the bigger issue. Charismatics dont like being told they are in error.
Chantal Carrere may I suggest you refer to the bible and not only listened to their sweet talks. Do you know what they actually preached?. In Calvin's theory it says God predestined or preordained some to eternal life and the rest of them predestinated for condemnation in hell which is a damnable heresy. don't believe me search Calvinism doctrine statement of calvin in the internet and read it for yourself before you proceed any further. thanks
Hold on calvanism.... 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. So you're saying God WANTS all to come to repentance but then sovereignly chooses NOT to save people with His irresistible grace....come on guys that contradicts itself.
In light of 2 Peter 3:9, let me give you a Sovereign grace (Calvinist) perspective. The Bible is clearly a book for God’s sheep, His redeemed ones, so when it says anyone or all, the meaning is all of God’s chosen ones. Or all meaning, all out of every tribe and all nations on the earth, not every single person on earth. You must interpret a passage in light of other passages when the passage says all or anyone. Remember, the readers of the Bible are Believers. Only the converted soul can understand it. The unconverted can read the Bible, but doesn’t read it with a converted mind and heart unless God converts his heart while reading it. I hope I can shed some light on the Sovereign grace perspective. Pastor Jeff is not a false teacher.
@@Lisa-ty5xw ***** USE YOUR COMMON SENSE AND LOGICAL REASONING MY FRIEND. 1 JOHN 2:2 “HE IS THE ATONING SACRIFICE FOR OUR SINS, AND NOT ONLY FOR OURS BUT ALSO FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD." IS JESUS ATONING SACRIFICE FOR THE SINS OF ONLY THE ELECT OR FOR THE WHOLE WORLD? SCRIPTURE MAKES IT VERY CLEAR. GOD CAN'T CONTRADICT HIMSELF. I WORSHIP AN OMNISCIENT GOD. 1 CORINTHIANS 14:33 “33 FOR GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION, BUT OF PEACE, AS IN ALL CHURCHES OF THE SAINTS.” I WORSHIP A RIGHTEOUS, HOLY, LOVING, JUSTFUL. MERCIFUL GOD WHO DIED FOR THE SINS OF THE (WHOLE) ENTIRE WORLD. THIS HOLY VERSE CAN’T BE ANY CLEARER. THIS VERSE IS NOT ONLY FOR GOD'S SHEEP, BUT ALL MANKIND. 1 JOHN 2:2 GREEK TO ENGLISH. PERI (ALSO) HOLOU (ALL) TOU (THE) KOSMOU (WORLD) KOSMOU ACTUALLY MEANS COSMOS WHICH IS THE UNIVERSE. IF I PREDETERMINE OR PREDESTINED PEOPLE TO LOVE ME. THAT’S NOT LOVE. THAT’S CONTROL. MY FRIEND. GOD BLESS YOU EZEKIEL 18:23”DO I TAKE ANY PLEASURE IN THE DEATH OF THE WICKED? DECLARES THE SOVEREIGN LORD. RATHER, AM I NOT PLEASED WHEN THEY TURN FROM THEIR WAYS AND LIVE?”
Merci Beaucoup I disagree with you on what sins of the whole world means. The sins of the whole world means, the sacrifice of the sins of people from every tribe and nation in the whole world, not every single person. “All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.” John 6:37, 39 ESV Question: Who are those whom the Father gives to the Son? But those God opens up their heart to believe in Jesus and trust Him, none other than God’s elect.
@@Lisa-ty5xw WE BOTH KNOW GOD IS OMNIPOTENT AND OMNISCIENT. GOD SAW EVERYTHING THAT HE HAD MADE AND, BEHOLD, IT WAS VERY GOOD GENESIS 1:31. IN GENESIS 3 WE KNOW THE FALL OF ADAM AND EVE'S SIN WHEN GOD SAID NOT TO EAT THE FRUIT FROM THAT TREE GENESIS 2:17. GOD COMMANDED ADAM AND EVE NOT TO EAT FROM THE FRUIT OF KNOWLEDGE. WHY DIDN’T GOD STOP ADAM AND EVE FROM EATING THAT FRUIT? GOD COULD HAVE STOPPED THIS FROM HAPPENING. HE DIDN’T. WHO WAS IN COMPLETE CONTROL OF ADAM'S SIN MY REFORMER FRIENDS? WAS IT GOD, ADAM OR SATAN? ACCORDING TO REFORMERS GOD ORDAINED SIN TO COME INTO THE WORLD. WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE OPTION TO CHOOSE OR REJECT GOD'S COMMANDMENTS. WE CALL THAT FREE WILL. THIS IS GOD SPEAKING. EZEKIEL 33:11 "SAY TO THEM, ‘AS SURELY AS I LIVE, DECLARES THE SOVEREIGN LORD, I TAKE NO PLEASURE IN THE DEATH OF THE WICKED, BUT RATHER THAT THEY TURN FROM THEIR WAYS AND LIVE. TURN! TURN FROM YOUR EVIL WAYS! WHY WILL YOU DIE, PEOPLE OF ISRAEL?" GOD WANTS THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL TO TURN FROM THEIR EVIL WAYS AND LIVE. GOD HASN'T PREDESTINED THE ISRAELITES BEFORE THE EXISTENCE OF TIME GOING TO HELL. GOD DOESN’T TAKE PLEASURE IN THE DEATH OF THE WICKED. THAT MEANS GOD DOESN’T PREDESTINE PEOPLE TO HELL FOR HIS OWN GLORY. GOD BLESS YOU.
If everyone is drawn then everyone is saved. Is it the same drawn in John 6:44 that the Father draws and raises up on the last day? That is a question I ask you. There are many times within Holy Scripture that God elects or chose a few thus God only draws a few, blessings.
@Jesus is God What you're saying is not biblical. John 6:37 37 All that the Father gives me WILL come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. If everyone is drawn by the Father, then everyone would come to Jesus and be saved. Otherwise you are calling Jesus a liar. He did not say "not everyone will accept the invitation". He said that ALL that the Father gives Him **WILL** (no if, ands or buts) come to Him. John 6:44 44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day So if God the Father draws everyone to Jesus, then ALL will be saved. You are classified as a universalist.
If draws everyone why are not all saved. You seem to leave out where Jesus said said, No on can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up on the last day. That's raising up for salvation. Are all people saved?? Of course not.
@@reformedcatholic457 Does the bible affirmed that non-believers will also be saved? Salvation is conditional on man having their faith in Christ (John 1:12-13, Eph1:13, John 3:16, Romans 10:17; John 20:31). All these verses placed believing (faith) as necessary for salvation. Nobody is saved by not believing in the gospel. How about this verse Jesus affirmed after the cross; " (Joh 12:32) And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me". We are now living under the new covenant instituted by the blood of Jesus and He now draws us ALL (not the elect only) to himself. In Joh6:44 which you quoted it was before the cross and God was drawing the Israelites and not the elect of the 20th century. Your statement "God elects or chose a few thus God only draws a few" has a twofold errors. Firstly, no where stated in the bible that stated "God elects or chose a few" please quote to me that verse. Secondly, you stated "God only draws a few" which again is an error as Jesus and God are one and Jesus affirmed in John 12:32 He will draw ALL men to himself and not draws a few as you claimed which is contradictory to the bible.
Calvinism did not discover true doctrine and grace. Jesus is true doctrine and grace. Did Calvin have something Paul did not describe to us? Calvinists hold to a founder, Lutherans holds to a founder, Methodists holds to a founder, Mormons holds to a founder, every denomination holds to a founder. Stop this, there is no Paulism, why should there be Calvinism or anything else. To freedom Christ has freed us, into the Kingdom of His denomination and DOMINION.
@@christianmama2441 true, unfortunately Augustine is the catholic ghost that still haunt the protestant church. I don't care if Calvin was gifted, I care that he allowed Augustine to influence him. Augustine was not a church father according to Scripture, he was a cathilic church father and calvinsts turns a blind eye to this heresy. Forget denominations, Christ follower under the dominion of Jesus is our denomination. I'm not reformed, I'm born again transformed. I hold to the church of the Apostles, not the church of Calvin 1600 years later.
@@christianmama2441 I once called Benny Hinn my favorite preacher, until I had to admit he was deceived. My brothers and sisters I know are everywhere, heaven only knows, but Augustine no. Why? He said Rome was God's holy city, and he supported violence against those threatening the church of Rome. Jerusalem in Zion is God's city. If Augustine ignored God's Word regarding this easy subject, then I would not trust any of his interpretations of Scripture. Augustine and Calvin is not a good benchmark, rather Paul, John, and Peter is our foundational heritage.
@@christianmama2441 understand me right, my brothers and sisters were killed largely during the catholic reign from 500-1500. Tens of millions killed, known as Sabbathical Christians because they honored the Sabbath and not Sunday. Traced their roots and traditions back to Jesus and His Apostles. Protestantism should go right back to the first church, instead too many protestants went left into their own denominations. Calvin might have been used by God, but God did not create calvinism, Luther was used, but God did not create lutheranism. Jesus said, your traditions will nullify the Word of God. Most protestants never got the Sabbath(Saturday) and Sunday sorted out, it means some catholic leaven remained in their doctrines. Not that it's a matter of salvation, but still a point to be made. The paradox today millions of protestants unite with the catholic church. Among these are calvinist preachers like MacArthur, Piper, and Washer. They preach against deception, but does the same themselves. Hypocrites I call them.
@@christianmama2441 only quick notion I have in that confession is holy catholic church. Yes, it means universal, but Jesus never meant for us to unite 1000 denominations. The catholic church might confess Jesus, but they pray to Mary and the Apostles. They create images and statues and they hold the Pope as their blasphemous leader. Jesus said let no one deceive you. Paul said after he was taken away ravenous wolves would split and tare the church apart. Augustine did a good job nullifying sound doctrine that were held for 300 years before the catholic church came. Jesus said, come out from her My people lest you partake in her judgment. The catholic false ecumenical unity will lead the charge of a new world religion, just like there comes a new world order. The Anti Christ and False Prophet will deceive even the elect if possible.
@@christianmama2441 yes, that I agree with and the unification in Christ according to the truth and sound doctrine. Todd Friel sitting on his hypocritical pedestal I cannot regard as my brother. MacArthur saying we should not give too much attention to the Blood of Jesus, I cannot regard either. Piper among other things befriending Rick Warren, I cannot regard as my brother. Hence I would pick a word with Jeff Durbin, because he wont separate his calvinist leaders. Cowards, the whole bunch. But come NAR movement they unite to criticise. Jesus through Paul had to confront Peter. If Durbin serves Jesus he should be man enough to do the same. Personal favoritism is not good.
I would truly love to have a conversation with Pastor Jeff about this. I simply do not know how to reconcile calvinism with God also being perfect Love. However, I’ve found that calvinist preachers are usually some of the most solid in every other theological area. Maybe I am just missing something, but I have never truly had my gripes with Calvinist theology answered sufficiently. I want to though.
Calvinism makes sense within itself, but doesn't make sense when looking at God's character revealed in the Bible. Check out the videos on the Soteriology 101 channel, especially the "Five points that led me out of Calvinism" video.
Arminianism is self centered view. Most of them believe you must love and forgive yourself. Pray for God to reveal this to you. The Bible commands us to be selfless and give God all the glory.
First you have to understand the word love. We look at the passage that God is love and we apply our own prejudices onto the word love, and therefore onto the passage itself, and by proxy, God Himself. God’s character of perfect love is demonstrated through the fact that while we were yet sinners, God loved us. In other words, Pastor Jeff answered that question when he made the point that we ask the wrong question when exploring this aspect of the doctrines of grace. We want to know why God chooses to save some and not all. We apply our own presuppositions to this and make the determination that God in that capacity is being unfair, and therefore unloving, to those He chooses not to save. This is a misunderstanding of the word love, and God’s nature. The more appropriate question is how could God ever love any of us considering how rebellious we are toward Him. That is the demonstration of His love. The fact that He, in His perfect love, decided to save a remnant at all. We tend to view the lump that the Potter uses to make some some vessels for honorable use and some for common use as indifferent and neutral toward God. This is not the case. The lump is in face hostile toward God. It’s not as if God is taking neutral, basically good people and forcing them to rebel against Him. In fact the entire lump is already in active rebellion toward Him. But in his perfect love, He chose to take a portion of that lump and change the hearts of the vessels He has chosen for honorable use. He has made it possible for those vessels to be honorable at all. Salvation is not, and never has been about us. It has always been about God and His perfect love, grace, and mercy. We love to taut the definition of grace as unmerited favor, then bristle at the same definition. Unmerited simply means undeserving. No one deserves to be loved by God, and yet He still has chosen to love His elect. This in and of itself is evidence enough that God is in fact love.
LOVE REQUIRES A FREE WILL! THE REASON GOD CAN PREDESTINE YOU IS BECAUSE, BEING OUTSIDE OF TIME, AND BECAUSE OF HIS FOREKNOWLEDGE OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD ACCEPT HIS FREE GIFT OF SALVATION BEFORE YOU WERE CREATED, HE PREDESTINED YOUR LIFE! LOVE REQUIRES A FREE WILL!
Ik this was 2 years ago but if God created us, every aspect of us, knowing before time who would pick him, and he wouldn’t, he gave you your personality, then he knew at what point he would allow your heart to soften to bring you to repentance, it would still be Gods will over whatever little control you have over your will.
Romans 1, do you just not want to believe Gods Word or that you dont like it? Calvinists arent this way by choice. Its following the context of Scripture. We have an amount of free will but it never overrules Gods Will. God has a Law, We have the choice to follow. It says you will be given over to the desires of your heart. Can you stop God from doing that? No. So you essentially say your will is stronger than Gods. Do you believe in vessels of destruction? Romans 9 and Jude 1 clearly explain this.
@@chazrussell6391 Its following a mere interpretation of scripture. If Calvinism is accurate, God does not grant complete free will and accountability. it wasn't that the holocaust and hiroshima was an ultimate decision of the wicked and unjust, and god can turn this deed of the wicked and unjust into something good that glorifies him after the fact. No, he had a hand in the holocaust and hiroshima and it was not an ultimate decision of the wicked and unjust. He is loving but not all-loving in the pursuit of all victims of pain, just loving to those predestined. He is merciful but not all-merciful to the wicked and unjust: hitler or Gangis Khan, just merciful to those predestined. He is a respecter of those predestined and not of no persons. All unchosen/unelected were sealed for damnation before the foundation of the world exempt of any additional grace that those chosen/elected would get and thereby appointed to an unjust "accounting". Their perception of God satisfies the attributes of God being All-powerful, but not All-merciful, not All-loving, and not All-just. Your interpretation of God is very acknowledging of His power, but to create someone and abstain them of God's redemptive grace is not a God who is lowly at heart or no respector of persons.
@@noahperez2786 your missing the part where you are given over to the desires of your heart. You have a will. It hates God. You act like we are born neutral and then we accept God or not. No. We are dead. And remain dead without Grace. All church doctrine acknowledges this. You can’t twist how faith is given for your argument. Only Adam had what you are talking about. That’s why he represented Christ. 2nd Adam or Son of Man. Adam does for his bride symbolism for what Christ eventually did for His bride. Not everyone. John 6, 10 and 11 all show His choosing, Eph 2, Romans 9. Without Grace no man chooses God. Once man sees God he can choose God. As fallen man how can you say it’s unjust? You are a creature. Created in His image but one who has rejected God in your nature. It sounds like you just reject Him.
@@chazrussell6391 Faith is given? When is faith expressed as given in a Bible verse accept us putting our faith in Jesus? "Only Adam had what you are talking about." - This is not explicitly stated in a verse within the Bible. God gives us over after persistant effort to get us to turn to him. He knocks. He doesn't force you to open the door with "Unreleting Grace". Theres a choice with concequences. You forget that the Bible teaches your spirit is WILLING, but the flesh is weak, and to submitto God after he FIRST comes to you, not because of our works as we don't deserve it. We are called to submit to the Holy Spirit and put our faith in Jesus. Its not a force that ignores the will of the potential recipient, but He asks for submission. Matthew 26:41 (NKJV): "Watch and pray, lest you enter into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak." Philippians 2:12-13 (NKJV): "Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." James 4:7 (NKJV): "Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you." Galatians 5:16 (NKJV): "I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh." "Once man sees God he can chose God" - I'm not debating that and you've admittedly stated that we can freely choose once we come to the knowledge of Him and are exposed to the experiental power of the Holy Spirit/God. Without God we our lost and subject to our sinful nature and the spiritual opposition, but when God first comes to us out of His love, and we submit to Him, then is the Holy Spirit able to work and sanctify us. We are not saying we are responsible for our sanctification or salvation. Its in this order: - God comes to us - God gives us knowledge of him and tougs on our heart - We submit - We place our faith Jesus - The Holy Spirit works in us - We submit - We place our faith in Jesus - The Holy Spirit persists in working in us Its a constant submission to God and allowing him rulership in our lives. Our spirit WILLS and by his Spirit we are ABLE. Adam didn't represent Christ, "in Adam all die, but through Christ all are made alive". It says it plainly here that the same ALL(humanity) Adam cursed is the "ALL" Jesus died for. I'm not saying you're preaching a God who's loveless but a God who loves less. Theres a recurring message throughout the Bible that all the world will be preached the Gospel, but narrow is the way to life and few are those that find it, and broad is the way to destruction and many are they that walk through it. What's worse to say? God mostly got rejected by humanity, or God rejected most of humanity? Which is more prevelent of all-loving? Which is an act of one who is lowly at heart? Who values love over even faith? 1 Corinthians 13:13 I'm not saying I'm completely right, or Calvinists are completely wrong. But one is negligent of God's true heart.
I love Apologia and I love Mike Winger, but man have they ever got me torn on Calvinism. Such great points on both sides. Thank you Lord that my salvation is not dependent on making a decision on this!
2 Peter 3:9, which says God is “not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” He does not say only those that have been elected.
The unintended consequences of Calvinism in my own heart bred self-righteousness, being critical and judgmental and ultimately merciless. God constantly brought me back to verses about His mercy and love for the lost and I could not continue to pursue calvinism. The foundations of the history of Calvinism should be enough evidence of its flaws and ultimately its falling away from God's character.
if calvinism led you to self righteousness then it wasnt calvinism my dude. There is nothing more humbling than understanding that you are just as deserving of hell as anyone else and are saved by Grace alone. Being critical and judgemental is something any heathen does, not sure how you can immediately credit it to a random theology. Especially one that belittles man to the point of worthlessness before The Father.
How is it self-righteous to believe that you are worthy of damnation but only saved from it by the undeserved mercy of God that you had nothing to do with? That's the opposite of self-righteousness
I really don’t understand why many have a problem with God being sovereign over all and all things inclusive of the redemption of men. I don’t understand why many can’t understand if God is not sovereign over the redemption of men none would be saved for the will of man is in bondage to his sin nature and thus none by an act of innate free will seek God.
My problem is that Calvinism teaches that God decrees everything that comes to pass. This means that God actively thought out and preplanned every single sin ever committed. God is actively molesting every child, raping every women, and murdering every person. Nothing comes to pass outside of his decree. This is taught by the London Baptist Confession of Faith, Calvin, and Piper. I blame man for evil but Calvinism blames God.
@@cloudx4541 people unfortunately have been and always will suffer. God knows that this life here on earth is so short its not even a speck. He knows that the suffering are going to never again shed a tear.
@@cloudx4541 I don't call myself a calvanist. But to address your comment, how does calvanism blame God for sin? To me, it simply shows that God is all knowing and always knows what sin that man will commit before it actually happens. He can already determine what will end up happening bcuz he knows the hearts of every person.
I'm not officially a Calvinist, but you cannot deny John chapter 6. Jesus says these things like 5 times. Furthermore, Jesus chose his own disciples, he didn't ask and see who came until he had 12, and by chance 1 of the 12 just happened to be a devil that would betray Him, just as He required. Additionally, Saul, didn't want Jesus, he was persecuting Christians, God chose him and as a result, he became Paul and wrote approximately 2/3 of the NT. I don't necessarily understand it, but it does appear God does the choosing. Even in the incarnation, Jesus did all of the choosing. I cannot deny that. I simply know that God is perfectly good and it's difficult to contemplate Him creating people from The womb for eternal torment in hell, without those people ever having a chance.
" You don't have to call it calvinism but it is biblical." Far from it. On calvinism, how can we intrinsically be responsible for our actions? For nothing we think or do is really up to us.
the problem is conflicting passages (like Luke 14:16-24, John 3:16, Romans 10:13, etc.) which states the opposite of what calvanist believe, and the Bible also has passages that supports the calvanist view. I think common sense is lacking from the calvanist perspective. If God only wants the elect in heaven, why does he want the kingdom full? Why did Jesus die for the world? Why is there a constant emphasis on people choosing to believe if we have no free will? Why do we go against our convictions and the Holy Spirit if we have no free will? Why did the focus shift from Jews to Gentiles (which represented EVERYONE outside of the "elect" which were the Jews (initially)? Seems like an answer that only God can solve...
that is a lie. "Jesus" never chose Paul. in fact Jesus said to not believe Paul. Paul came on the scene 10 year after the messiah left and the messiah said to not believe him. None of the real 12 said he was an apostle. Of the 22 times he is called apostle 20 times was his self proclamation and 2 times from his discliple Luke. There is no reason to believe Paul was an apostle except to say he claimed to be one and Athanasius decided to flood the NT with his Pharisee doctrine
When I see this many lit anti Calvinist alls I know is *you’re doing preaching right!!* God bless the work of these men.. Give them boldness to speak into the darkness and walk head on into the fiery darts of the enemy!! May their armor never rust, sword in hand and may their beards grow ever longer. 🙌🏽
Sweet Mullet, you claimed Calvinism preaching right. Please read this and evidently they are not preaching right as you claimed. Most Calvinism self-professed claim that they are the "the sheep"(the elect) which Jesus came only to seek and to save as only their sins had been paid for on the cross. Let us see whether their claim aligned with the bible. Here I quote; (Mat 10:5) These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: (Mat 10:6) But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. These verses stated in the 1st century, Jesus had send out his twelve and specifically commanded them "not" to go to the Gentiles and Samartans but only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Firstly, was Jesus seeking after the self-proclaimed "sheep" (the elect) of Gentiles origin , living in the 20th. century or the Jews, His lost sheep living in the 1st century? Secondly, are the Gentiles considered to be the house of Israel? You can now see the true absurdity of the Calvinist's claim to be the "sheep" (the elect) when they aren't. When you tell a lie, it always backfires. Thank you.
@Tan Ewelee First off Calvinist don’t say they are the elect. That would be stupid. They say God does have an elect. He chooses them. Why would Calvinists call anyone else of any denomination a brother? Calvinists have worked with other denominations and movements in order to spread the gospel as brothers.
"No man is able to come to Jesus unless the Father draws him." You have both the sovereignty of God and man's free will right there in that one sentence. God, in HIs sovereignty, provides the faith, God does the drawing, but God also in His sovereignty allows us to choose and no one whom God enables to hear and believe will choose death over life.
(Joh 6:44) No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. (Joh 5:40) And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. matt hayes, you must read the verse in its context to get its true meaning and it is similar to when you received a letter, do you just read the last half of the letter and leave out the first half of the letter. verse 44 Jesus said" no man can come to Him" but verse 40 said "you will not come". So the Father won't draw anyone who rejects His Son. Certainty God is Sovereign and He can do anything He likes but He likes to do the right thing.
madjack821 the doctrine of election is biblical and it is undeniable but Calvin's theory twisted its application by affirming God chose the elect for salvation and send the non-elect to eternal damnation. There is nowhere taught in the bible unless you can prove it to me with some bible verses as I can't find it.
@@madjack821 God doesn’t show favoritism as the scriptures clearly teach: Acts 10:34-35: Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right. Matthew 22:16: And they sent their disciples to Him, along with the Herodians, saying, “Teacher, we know that You are truthful and teach the way of God in truth, and defer to no one; for You are not partial to any. Mark 12:14: When they came they said to him, “Teacher, we know that you are truthful and do not court anyone’s favor, because you show no partiality but teach the way of God in accordance with the truth Luke 20:21: Thus they asked him, “Teacher, we know that you speak and teach correctly, and show no partiality, but teach the way of God in accordance with the truth Romans 2:8-11: But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism. Galatians 2:6: But from those who were of high reputation (what they were makes no difference to me; God shows no partiality)-well, those who were of reputation contributed nothing to me. Ephesians 6:9: Masters, treat your slaves the same way, giving up the use of threats, because you know that both you and they have the same master in heaven, and there is no favoritism with Him. 1 Peter 1:17: And if you address as Father the one who impartially judges according to each one’s work, live out the time of your temporary residence here in reverence. James 2:9: But if you favor some people over others, you are committing a sin. You are guilty of breaking the law. (2Pe 2:1) But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. Agreed to your affirmation that all men are headed towards hell but Clavin's false teaching propagated that it was God who predestinated men to hell. If your soteriological systematic paints God as partial then it’s not a biblical soteriology.
Tan Ewelee Exodus 33:19 states “And He said, “I Myself will make all My goodness pass before you, and will proclaim the name of the Lord before you; and I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show compassion on whom I will show compassion.” This passage is quoted by the apostle Paul in Romans (9:15) who goes on to say in the following verse, “So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.” Malachi 1:2-4 states ““I have loved you,” says the Lord. But you say, “How have You loved us?” “Was not Esau Jacob’s brother?” declares the Lord. “Yet I have loved Jacob; but I have hated Esau, and I have made his mountains a desolation and appointed his inheritance for the jackals of the wilderness.” Again, in Romans 9, Paul quotes this verse in verse 13. It isn’t so much about favoritism as it is about God’s mercy. All of mankind hates God from the womb. We are born spiritually dead (read Romans 1 for the list) thus guilty of breaking God’s law, subsequently condemning us to hell. It isn’t God sending us to hell, it’s ourselves. Those who God draws to His Son, Jesus, will be saved-John 6:44.
The L in limiting atonement is one of my major sticking points. You put up a strawman argument concerning those who disagree with you. We aren't saying that the efficacy is limited. We are also in disagreement with a God who "is not willing that any should perish" somehow limiting the number of people that are atoned for. Take a look at Hebrew sacrifices, specifically the rituals surrounding the scape goat, everyone who touches it is affected. Same thing with Moses and the bronze serpent in the desert - whoever looked to it was saved. Christs sacrifice was unlimited in scope and effectiveness just as the bronze serpent was unlimited in view of the Israelites in the desert.
@@MarcanthonyTho I'm not sure I have the interest to debate a comment I made 3 years ago but I will at least answer your question. I don't read Romans 9 as supporting the kind of limited atonement Calvinists advocate for. The same God who said "I will have mercy on who I will have mercy on" also said in Revelation "Whosoever will may come" Again it's not different than the examples I gave in my original post 3 years ago. God had mercy on whoever looked at the bronze serpent, and he punished whoever did not. But it wasn't like the bronze serpent was only able to save a certain number of people, it wasn't limited. There is also no indication that God predestined who would look and who would not. The general call was and is still made to all. I hope that answers your question. I wish you well.
No, we have a will to make choices, but we are not completely and totally free. We always choose according to our nature. We can choose God only after He has chosen us and given us the faith and repentance needed. When He does that, then we willingly and freely come running to Him. You didn’t find Jesus…He found you. He wasn’t lost, you were…
God sovereignly decreed that man should be free to exercise moral choice, and man from the beginning has fulfilled that decree by making his choice between good and evil. When he chooses to do evil, he does not thereby countervail the sovereign will of God but fulfills it, inasmuch as the eternal decree decided not which choice the man should make but that he should be free to make it. If in His absolute freedom God has willed to give man limited freedom, who is there to stay His hand or say, ‘What doest thou?’ Man’s will is free because God is sovereign. A God less than sovereign could not bestow moral freedom upon His creatures. He would be afraid to do so.” A W Tozer
Show me where, in the Bible, it says," the spiritual gifts ended." It doesn't. Calvinists are sadly limited by their faith or lack there of. How can you see spiritual gifts if you don't believe they exist? How can you know God if you don't believe he exists? How can you move mountains when you haven't the faith of a mustard seed? I have the gift of faith. I've seen the gift of healing with my own eyes I've heard the gift of tongues with my own ears. I've seen Jesus with my own eyes. I've seen prophecy come to be fulfilled in my own life. I agree with much john Calvin has taught but I cannot be considered reformed because I know Gifts are real. It's very sad to me to know that so many brothers and sisters are living thier new life without the spiritual gifts and therefore not fully representing Christ with thier faith and not knowing Jesus as intimately because of this lack. Like giving yourself to someone in holy matrimony but not believing the other has givin you thier whole heart but only part because the rest disappeared over time. Come to know Jesus fully without reserve by excepting spiritual gifts as they are, scriptural Truths. Again I beg anyone to show me where in the bible it is written "spiritual gifts will no longer exist for christians after the apostles" , or anything close.
I just came out of mormonism, turned an atheist for like 10 months and recently became a christian and I find out about all this different doctrines within christianity, the thing is that I have never read the whole Bible in my life, so I can't really agree or disagree with what Jeff is saying. However, I have a hard time understanding that God does not love all and that he pleases in that some of His creatures suffer in hell for eternity. I mean what about several scriptures I have read in the Bible like Ezekiel 33:11 says, “...'As I live,’ says the Lord God, ‘I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live..." I'm confused but I hope that I come to an understanding of what is man-made phylosophy and what the Word of God truly treaches.
DanielMpld - I too came out of Mormonism 21 years ago. I would advise you to stay away from the teachings of Calvinism because it really does distort the teachings of God's Grace that is displayed throughout the Old and New Testament. But, more importantly what troubles me most is that it distorts the Sovereignty and character of God. Please go back to Genesis and read how God after placing man in the garden commanded him " Of every tree in the garden you may [freely] eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of [good] and evil you shall not eat..." Adam could eat from any of one of the trees that he so desired but, from one in specific one he could not. Adam, chose to eat from the tree that God specifically commanded him not to. One thing that many Christians and even some theologians overlook is that the tree in the garden did not contain only the knowledge of "evil" but of "good." Hallelujah! The LORD had our back by making sure we had the counter act of [good] to combat [evil]. In Luke 11:9-13 the LORD acknowledges that even though we being evil know how to give a good gift speaks volumes that we are indeed capable of making a distinguish between a good gift and a bad gift. Remember Jesus said that before He died and rose from the dead, which after those things He left us His Holy Spirit to be our "Helper." I have found Calvinism to be another false religion that denies like Mormonism the deity of Jesus Christ and denies the Grace that covers all sin offered freely to all men. Anyhow, I have much more that I could show Biblically to support Grace, the work of the Holy Spirit, and scripture that support the free will that God has given to each one of us the ability to choose for ourselves good [JESUS] or evil [Satan]. Choose ye this day whom you will serve... Blessings!
DanielMpld Praise the Lord! First of all, read Luke 15 right now and rejoice in the Lord! As it comes to calvinism etc. This is a tough topic, I do think there are non-essentials to the faith which you probably should not divide over. If someone is a calvinist/armenian. Remember, most of all he is your brother in faith. Everyone claims their view is correct regarding the non-essential things in faith. The non-essential doctrines include (imo) but are not restricted to: - Speaking in tongues - Predestination vs free will - Different views of harmonizing the Old Testament commands with New Testament liberty - Book of Revelation and any end time scenarios When I say non-essential I don't mean that you shouldn't study these issues or vehemently even disagree with someone on the issues if you believe they are incorrect. What I mean is that you can have many different views regarding these things and still consider someone a brother in Christ. What are then the essential teachings to Christianity which one should definitely divide over? - Salvation by believing in the finished work of Jesus instead of salvation by trying to be found righteous through your own works - The full deity of Jesus - Adding extra books to the Bible This is not meant to be an exhaustive list or even an authoritative one. Just some helpful guidelines for a new Christian. Praise be to our God!
So my question now is, what does God mean by "there must be a great falling away", if you can not turn from God because He is Sovereign and saves/has mercy on whom He wills?
They turn God into a monster. I hate that i even try to see things their way it literally destroys my mind trying to see things their way. The entire bible means something different that what it really means when you see things their way.
The semantic range of the word apostasia can allow for either type of departure: doctrinal or physical. The great falling away before Christ returns could be a reference to the wickedness of mankind or to the physical removal of believers before the day of the Lord. However we read this text in 2 Thessalonians we should take into account what Paul has already written to the Church in Philipi. 1 Thessalonians 5 v 1-11 Paul has already clarified that this could not be speaking of believers losing thier faith. Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need of anything to be written to you. For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night. While they are saying, “Peace and safety!” then destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains upon a woman who is pregnant, and they will never escape. But you, brothers, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief, for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of darkness; so then let us not sleep as others do, but let us be awake and sober. For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. But since we are of the day, let us be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet, the hope of salvation. For God has not appointed us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us, so that whether we are awake or asleep, we will live together with Him. Therefore, comfort one another and build up one another, just as you also are doing.
If you're referring to 2nd Thessalonians 2. The Greek word for falling away can be interpreted as apostate. The end times will reveal the true church because the apostate church will fall. All those who claim the name of Jesus Christ for what ever reason but are not His, will become obvious in the end. I hope that helped.
Whoever believes in Calvinism, comment on this and tell me why. Why would God predestine certain people but not others? That means that some people have NO chance at eternal life. What's the point of living then? The Bible says WHOEVER believes in me shall not parish but have EVERLASTING LIFE. WHOEVER. not a select few.
Ashley Ingle 1 Peter 2:7-2:9 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, "The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone," and, "A stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall." They stumble because they disobey the message--which is also what they were destined for. But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. Clearly some are destined to fall while other destined for glory and salvation.... Romans 9:22 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath--prepared for destruction He does this to make the riches of his glory shine even brighter on those to whom he shows mercy, who were prepared in advance for glory. 24And we are among those whom he selected, both from the Jews and from the Gentiles.
Ashley Ingle because the ones predestined for hell won't believe and the ones predestined for heaven will. Because the ones who are his he has put it in their heart to do so. He'll means destroyed forever. If u don't believe you are destroyed forever and all memory of your ever existing is wiped out. Erased from the book of life
Hello Happy Thoughts , 1 Peter 2:7-9 = You are correct to say that some are destined to stumble, but you did not address why they stumble. This passage does not say merely they are destined to stumble; this passage says "they stumble bc they disobey the message." Romans 9:22 = The grammar does not demand one to conclude God prepared the vessels for destruction beforehand. That conclusion is forced. It does not say *HE* prepared the vessels of wrath for destruction *BEFOREHAND* like it does in v.23. The only thing this text explicitly says God did with the vessels of wrath is that He "endured". Instead, they prepared themselves for destruction. See 2 Tim 2:20-21, Acts 13:46, 1 Peter 2:8 .
Please hear me...God speaks of nations Not individual people. The Rock=is Jesus but Israel rejected Jesus which caused them to stumble. Because of this God showed his wrath on Israel and gave them a spirit of slumber, and opened up the promise to the Gentiles as a Nation. Isn't the fact that an entire nation "RESISTED" Jesus as Messiah, proof that in fact, the choice IS up to YOU! God Punished them for doing so! Potter=God Flawed pot=Israel New pot=Gentiles Olive tree=Kingdom Broken branches=Israel Grafted in branches=Gentiles God has the power to graft the Jews back in as long as they chose to BELIEVE that Jesus is Lord You need to realize this...God wants everyone saved, here's how he's doing it God's chosen people from the beginning=Israel God's chosen people REJECT Jesus= God's disappointment in his people What does God say to them, "Children I am so disappointed in you, I'm putting you in a time out for two thousand years...Now I'm going to go pour out all my Love and Gifts on to the Gentiles, they will listen!" Why?...to provoke THEM to jealousy! It's all written in the scriptures...I'm not making this up! God is Brilliant! I do believe that God does have a chosen people...for a PURPOSE not a DESTINATION!
I see comments like "Oh no, Jeff Durbin is a Calvinist" and people saying that they won't listen to him anymore. Some are even calling him a 'heretic.' Understand this, to make such rash statements because someone is a Calvinist (or Arminian) is a sign of spiritual immaturity. There is a very meaningful saying that is often mis-attributed to others but which comes from German Lutheran theologian of the early seventeenth century, Rupertus Meldenius In Essentials Unity, In Non-Essentials Liberty, In All Things Charity I am not a "Calvinist" per say, but I do believe in God's Sovereign Will in election because that's what I see in scripture. But I have discovered over the years some of my favorite preachers like Adrian Rogers and David Jeremiah are Arminians. The election issue is NOT an essential of the Christian faith and The Lord has used preachers that I did not agree with on all points of non-essentials many times in my life to speak to me. Just the other day The Lord used a man named Pastor Eric Hankins to speak the exact message I needed to hear at the time and then I found out he's Arminian. But guess what, he's still a Godly man with a heart for The Lord and his message was anointed by God. Christians need to stop with the infighting over Non-essentials and 'mature in the faith.' Our main mandate is to win souls to The Lord by our loving conduct and speech for one another and for those outside the church and sharing the Gospel of salvation. I wonder how many Christians so caught up in issues like Election and Eschatology that they don't even think about sharing the Gospel with their lost family and neighbors.
Rolysantos, what he is teaching here IS heretical. Jesus Tasted death for every man. I beseech you to do some studying, you will find that God does have an elect people, but that there is NO PLACE IN THE BIBLE that teaches that the Elect are the ONLY people who have the opportunity of salvation. Don't believe that nonsense. Study it out for yourself. For God's sake, don't buy into the ignorance that Steven Anderson and Ben the Baptist (and their ilk) are spewing either.... One side of this fight is as sick and twisted as the other. Now you may ask, well if you're not on Durbin's side... and you're not on Anderson's side.... then whose side are you on???? Well.... allow me to tell you. I'm on YOUR side..... I'm on CHRIST'S side..... Im on the side of the gospel... and EVERY man who will believe on Jesus unto salvation. God bless, I hope you find the truth in all this ignorance.
rolysantos I'm not a Calvinist.. but I love Jeff and will still listen to him.. I've learned that on our journey we are all constantly learning and just bc I don't agree with his view of Calvinism that doesn't mean that he's wrong about everything he says..I still value what he has to offer.. I love what he does for abortion.. he's extremely intelligent but sometimes that can get in the way.. ❤️😊✝️🙏
Why WOULD we listen to him when he's proven that he's in error by embracing Calvinism? Im no respecter of men... I respect the word of God... Calvinists, (at least hyper-calvinists), claim that only people chosen by God can be saved. And that's simply not what the bible teaches. They take this line of thinking from the idea of "Election"... Now by saying that I'm not a Calvinist, many will say "well he doesn't believe in the concept of Election"... and thats not true either. I just dispute the definition Calvinists try to attach to the concept of "Election". To be "Elect" of God, simply means to be chosen by him, and God "Elects" or CHOOSES many different people for many different things. Some people are ELECTED by God when they are called to be evangelists, or pastors, or missionaries.... Others are ELECTED by God to do great works through the Holy spirit in the realms of Prophecy, or Healing, etc.... Others still are ELECTED by God to the position of intercessor, to intercede through prayer in peoples lives within the congregation... Then theres the Election of the 144,000 male, virgins of the 12 tribes of Israel who will stand on the mount of olives with Christ that we find in the book of Revelation. That's SEVERAL different forms of election practiced by God the Father throughout the bible. But NONE of that excludes anyone else from being a partaker in the salvation of Christ. In HEBREWS 2 : 9 Jesus tasted death for every man.... In 2ND CORINTHIANS 5 : 19 God was in Christ Reconciling THE WORLD unto himself... In John 3:16 He gave his only begotten son so that WHOSOEVER would believe on him should not perish but have everlasting life... and the references can go on and on and on... But what you WONT find is one verse anywhere that makes the statment that the elect and ONLY the elect are capable of being saved. I'm sorry.... It's just not there. Now you may be able to find a square verse or two that names election that you can try to force into a round hole... but it still doesn't belong there.
rolysantos I'm not a Calvinist or do I believe at all in Calvinism.. but your absolutely correct.. he's a Godly man.. and I agree with your comment..and I think he's intelligent and I love he saves babies from abortion.. I believe he's wrong about Calvinism but that doesn't mean he's wrong about everything he says and does... on my journey to get closer to God ... I've learned people can be 100 percent right about a lot of things but be 100 percent wrong on other things..he's a follower of Jesus and I believe as of now that he's not intentionally steering people wrong .. he believes what he's saying... I have not watched this video yet.. I've mainly seen his abortion and street preaching videos.. but I'm not going to stop listening to him bc I'm not a Calvinist ... if we stop listening to people bc they are not 100 percent correct on everything they say 100 percent of the time.. we would have to not listen to anything anyone says ever...we are always learning...growing.. being convicted ...people should not judge him so harshly.. he's a follower of Jesus and there's a lot of things in these people's lives that are saying they won't listen to him again that they are wrong about..😊✝️❤️🙏
@@Frankenberry the more I hear about predestination, the more I'm convinced that Satan is behind it. Imagine if God only pre-selected a chosen group of people, you are witnessing to someone as Jesus commands, and they respond to the message of the Gospel and desire to be saved... so they reach out to Jesus and are denied?? They don't receive the Holy Spirit?? Somehow they didn't qualify... for me personally, I view this is going directly against the teachings of Jesus
Watch the RUclips video "Was Augustine the first to introduce "CALVINISM" into the Church?" with Dr. Ken Wilson on Leighton Flowers RUclips channel. What is now known as "Calvinism" began as Augustine's attempt to explain how infants could become the "elect" through baptism. Since the infants had not come to faith, it must be based on the will of another. It could have nothing to do with the will of the child. Does God command all men to "repent", and then He prevents some men from doing so? Mat_3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Mat_4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Mar_1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. Mar_6:12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent. Luk_13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Luk_13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Luk_16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. Luk_17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. Luk_17:4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him. Act_2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Act_3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; Act_8:22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee. Act_17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Act_26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance. 2Co_7:8 For though I made you sorry with a letter, I do not repent, though I did repent: for I perceive that the same epistle hath made you sorry, though it were but for a season. Heb_7:21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:) Rev_2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. Rev_2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. Rev_2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Rev_2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. Rev_3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. Rev_3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. .
For Calvinism to be true God also had to predestined Adam and Even to eat the fruit! lol. Jesus tells the people: "Repent (even though i know most of you cant)."
This is looking at God and viewing him in a way that makes you feel comfortable. Didn't God choose everyone that shares a story in the Bible? Didn't God choose Abraham and his decendents? Didn't God choose Noah, Moses, Jonah, Job, Samuel, David, ect... Did God know that Adam and Eve would fail but chose to create them anyways? And even if that was true would it really make God any less amazing? I don't think it would. God created us for HIM. For HIS glory. We have no right to question him.
@@wretchedsaint9191 Calvinism makes God the author of sin in the end. Which is God is not and cannot be. They take chapters from the Bible and splice them together to get Tulip. Then it gets it to works based Salvation because of the Tulip theory which is of man. Calvinism loves to point the finger at NAR music for misleading people because they cant stand how easily people go to church and how they grow. There are many thing to say about NAR mega churches the music is what makes them the angriest. 6 times some Calvinist came into churches I was going to and tried to steal people away from the church. They got caught and the last two times I notified the Pastor something was not right. They dont go out soul winning to get people to go to their churches. My favorite thing about Calvinist is that they need to talk about works. The first two works in the Bible are to love God and your neighbor along going out and preaching the gospel. Going to church is not a work. Its part of discipleship. If you base your salvation on just being good person and not believing the Jesus Christ died on the cross and rose the 3rd day then you are not saved. There is no complication in scripture on this message. It is childlike faith.
Calvinism teaches that because God is sovereign, which i completely agree, he can go against his rules? Example. All scriptures point to God being love. No single evil in Him. But yet He wants people to go to hell?
How come you called yourself a Christian? Your not a Christian your a Calvinist that is all you talk about. When you have to defend a a religion like Calvinism, you know your in a Cult. Christianity needs no defending it "IS TRUTH" . TRUTH IN LOVW
Ezekiel 33:11 ESV - Say to them, As I live, declares the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live; turn back, turn back from your evil ways, for why will you die, O house of Israel?
Who can know the things of the Lord? imo, "speculation" plays too big a role in this debate. No one can comprehend His ways (unless he reveals it in His word... which he may or may not in this case) Mark 16 - - Jesus is talking "Go into all the world and preach the Good News to everyone. Anyone who refuses to believe will be condemned." Now I may not be a theologian, but I don't see evidence for Calvinism in that verse. I also don't see any evidence against it.
@Bradley S. I think this most accurately encapsulates the paradoxical nature of our relationship to God through Christ. Jesus states in John 6:37 that he will have whomever the Father gives him, and yet there's always this narrative throughout the gospels that 'whoever believes' is saved. God saves whom He chooses, *and* He saves whoever believes. We both know by faith that this isn't a contradiction, whatever the relation of these two truths are. When we say we know exactly what God has intended or planned, I think we puff ourselves up in arrogance. Because we don't know the whole picture in any aspect (except what He would have of us as followers of Christ), this all the more emphasizes our total dependence and submission to God. He's the one who has it all figured out. He's the one put everything in motion for salvation (whether He graced us with choice or not). He's the one that deserves all the glory. In that, I find there is a beauty to His will.
In the 80s and 90s modernism really was supreme as a cultural norm, so was the arminian side of the reformed movement. So much so that calvenism was thought to be almost extinct. Now postmodernity rules with it's tribes and determinism but the church still doesn't see it's riding the cultural wave. Blind we are.
Try to find what is missing when you read Ephesians 1:3-5. "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will." What is missing? The missing word is "in Jesus Christ." Unconditional election in Calvinism does not correspond with the words of the Bible. The Bible says, "He chose us in Jesus Christ before the foundation of the world." God chose all mankind in Christ to be born again of water and the Spirit. Those who cannot help but be born sinners can be redeemed of sin and become His children. He included all mankind in the list of those to be saved and elected them in Jesus Christ. Because many theologians who insist on unconditional election say that only some are chosen, many people are trapped in the chaos of irrational doctrine. These false theologians say that God chooses some and discards the others through unconditional election, while the truth of His word is that God chose all sinners in Jesus. Many people fall victim to untrue doctrine owing to their superstitious beliefs. But if we recognize that God decided to save all mankind in Jesus and that the remission of sin applies to everyone who believes in Jesus, we can be saved from all our sins, become children of God, become righteous men, have everlasting life, and have confidence that God is Just. God predestined all mankind for salvation through His Son, Jesus, and intended to make us His children even before He created the world. He planned to save mankind from all the sins of the world through the redemption of Jesus Christ. This is the truth as it is written in the Bible. And the righteous who are reborn in Christ are the chosen once.In Ephesians 1:5, Paul isn't writing to lost people, he's writing to saved people, this passage isn't dealing with lost people being predestinated to be converted, its dealing with saved people being predestinated to the redemption of the body, their inheritence
literally this video just referended multiple verses pointing towards the concept of the elect and preserverance of the saints. The bible isnt going to come straight out and use a word that was named off a man who lived thousands of years after the completion of the bible but luckily the bible😂
@@johndang887 The Bible "God's Word" Tells us all we need to know. The way you insist calling yourself a Calvinist denominating yourself and saying the Bible doesn't depict a mans name. has nothing to do with what i ask i want to know where the fruits of the Calvinist apply as being Christian do they align and if so ill be here for you share with me.
If you mean where does scripture teach about the sovereignty of God in salvation...... To many places to quote. If you mean where does it say to follow John Calvin... Nowhere. But if you believe in the authority of scripture over all opinion...... You will come to believe a lot of the things John Calvin did. After all at that point we're just agreeing with what scripture clearly says.
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.
@@Evilmm2world yeah..I agree..Jesus died for all not only for the elect.God gave men their freewill,.God would never, ever force someone to accept His offer of salvation..I don't agree Ptr Jeff that GOD Is not just like what you said..GOd is a god of Grace but also a just God..
Around the 37 minute mark Jeff makes an argument that it makes more sense for Calvinists to pray for the lost but if God has already hand picked who is saved than what are you doing by praying for your neighbors salvation or your kids salvation. Is it to change God's mind? He decided already before the foundation of the world and so it makes no sense to pray for the lost that God would save them. They either are saved or not and you can't change Gods mind now by praying for it. Surely Jeff has thought about this, no? And if so why make the argument and keep it shallow when looking at it from the Calvinists perspective. if you are going to make this argument then you will need to go deeper and once you do, you will see that it really does not make sense. From my perspective, I pray God would you please draw my neighbors to you father, use me as a tool to open their eyes, holy spirit convict them of their sin... God still does the saving not man. Im not saying I'm right but that is what seems to make sense.
@ Z Bobovcan "Around the 37 minute mark Jeff makes an argument that it makes more sense for Calvinists to pray for the lost but if God has already hand picked who is saved than what are you doing by praying for your neighbors salvation or your kids salvation." Why is this so complicated? God knows whom he will save. But we do not! So, we pray!
Exactly. Calvinists loose on this every time. But the main point is they are calling Christ a liar. Christ said he died for all. Not just for the elected. Very simple.
@@christusomnipotens3751 Jesus's own words, I am the bread of life, whoever believes in me shall have eternal life... Whoever, not some, not a Chosen Few, whoever... but if you believe God will only save a Chosen Few, what makes you think you're going to be among them? 2 Peter 3:9, KJV: "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
A lot of the bible seems and appears unfair BUT God is Sovereign! Look at the wages that were paid to the labourers in Matthew 1-16. I myself thought how unfair is that! A guy works all day and gets the same pay as a guy who works one hour! But what an amazing awesome lesson when I finally got it! God can do whatever He likes! It doesn’t have to seem fair to me or anyone else! I’m not on the same page with Calvinism though. I would rather believe that God foreknew who would accept Him and who wouldn’t!
One of the best sermons I have ever heard. This clarified so many of my questions with Calvinism. It all makes sense now and thank you so much pastor Jeff for you knowledge and understanding of scripture and also your perfect way of explaining it!
sitown0331 HOW DOES IT GLORIFY GOD TO PREDESTINE PEOPLE TO HELL. GOD DOESN'T PREDESTINE ANYBODY TO HELL, WE ALL HAVE FREE WILL AND ARE ABLE TO DECIDE WHAT ROUTE WE WANT TO TAKE. DO YOU FOLLOW JOHN CALVIN, PASTOR JEFF...OR JESUS CHRIST? YOU FOLLOW THE SINISTER SECT OF JOHN CALVIN. JOHN CALVIN WHO WAS A COLD BLOODED MURDERER USED TO TORTURE AND BURN PEOPLE ALIVE SAVAGELY FOR NOT AGREEING WITH HIS THEOLOGY HTTP://WWW.REENACTINGTHEWAY.COM/BLOG/JOHN-CALVIN-HAD-PEOPLE-KILLED-AND-BAD-BIBLE-INTERPRETATION-JUSTIFIED-IT. MR. CALVIN DOES INDEED LEAVE CALVINISTS WITH A REAL BAD REPUTATION. God bless you. JOHN 3:16-18
@@mercibeaucoup2639 How would you like God to send everyone to hell? because we all deserve to go to hell, but if God decides to have mercy on some, this does not make God unfair either, God is glorifies also, by sending sinners to hell, would it be unjust if he does not send them to hell , ...a child rapist for example, if God were to forgive him. would be unfair unjust. because God is a just judge he needs to punished sin ... And those who saves bring glory to God also...God decide to have mercy on them, although they do not deserve it, God grants them salvation by giving them faith in the work of Christ Ephesians 2: 8 Rom 9 : 15 I will have mercy on whoever I want to have it ”so in those who save God receives glory and praise; even though they did not deserve it; and that is why God is glorified in people who do not deserve heaven, they deserved hell..and is glorified on those he send to hell, because they deserve it...God does not in obligation to save everybody, like I said all deserve hell...but I believe God is very mercifully, although the Gospel is preach to all, only the ones whom god open their eye will be given a new life in Jesus...but God is always the one who initiate the saving, not men
@@jessejimenez1793 I am going to try to make amends, thus avoiding floccinaucinihilipilification. I will elucidate my point so clear in a very facilitating way. My message won't be vague tut-tutting bewildering to understand (Headstart/Kindergarten level)!!! What I find mindboggling is that the Early Christian Church held to NONE of the five points of Calvinism, not one. You Jesse deserve to go to hell, but my God doesn’t want anyone to go there. The Holy Bible and Tradition makes it crystal clear that a child is born sinless and pure because only Adam is guilty of his sin and we do not inherit his sin or guilt but only the consequences of his sin which is mortality and death. Ephesians 1-2, Romans 8-9 and John 6:44 are some of the most famous Calvinist verses that teach unconditional election. God’s foreknowledge not predestination says to us that not every single human being will accept God’s Free Gift of Salvation Matthew 7:13-14. It would be an honor, privilege and pleasure answering all your questions regarding the TULIP doctrine. I will of Course be using Plenty of Holy Scripture. Not my subjective opinions. You ask me 1 question and then I ask you 1 question. I don't mean to toot my horn, but God has given me the knowledge to clearly understand very complex issues when it comes to the erroneous doctrine of reformed theology known as Calvinism. My ulterior motive is basically being fervent in spirit with a zeal of burning desire to please God by spreading His True Gospel. My didactic teachings demand an unconditional obedience to defend the True Holy Word of my God, Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. God bless you.
The bible is so straightforward and clear. ALL have turned aside all are born rebels and all have dead deceitful inner beings. Yet only HE can unblind any of us. Many are called few are chosen, and without Him, none would be left, all would be wiped out Isaiah 1
Jeff, Please define: - Elect - Predestined - Sovereign Please. I'm not an articulate person, so I'm not about to go into all of my objections; but I will say this was a really frustrating sermon lol
1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
God's Child well I guess Jesus failed. There’s a lot of people going to Hell. On top of that I guess God is unjust, if there are people going to Hell that Christ already took the punishment for.
1 Tim. 4:10 is a verse that has had many interpretations. Here are the main three: (1) The Universalist Interpretation - "God is the Savior of all men" means that all who have ever lived will be saved. This of course is contrary to all sound doctrine. If this was true, the rest of the verse would have no meaning whatsoever when it says "especially of those who believe." (2) The Arminian Interpretation - God wants to save everyone but His desire is many times thwarted by the obsinate free will of man. God is able to save all men, but though all can be saved, only believers actually are. Certainly this is a popular view, but we must be clear that this is not what the text says. It does not say God wants to save, but that He actually saves: He is actually the Savior (in some sense) of all men. (3) The Reformed Interpretation - God is the Savior of all men (in one sense) and especially of those who believe (in another sense). Let me be quick to say that this is not the only way reformed people have understood this verse, but I do believe this is the correct interpretation. As we study the terms "salvation" and "Savior" we find many nuances - many different ways - God saves. The most important aspect of salvation is to be "saved" from the wrath of God (Romans 5:6-9; 1 Thess. 1:10), but salvation also includes the idea of rescue from enemy attack (Psalm 18:3); preservation (Matt. 8:25); physical healing (Matt. 9:22; James 5:15), etc. God "saved" not only Paul's life but everyone else on board ship with him in Acts 27:22, 31, 44. There are numerous ways that "salvation" takes place, but that's a complete Bible study all in itself. When we study the word Savior (Greek: soter) in the LXX version (Greek translation of the Old Testament), we see the word used in a way that is far less grandiose than that which we generally think of the word. One example is Judge Othniel, who is called a Soter (Savior) or deliverer because he delivered the children of Israel from the hands of the king of Mesopotamia (Jud. 3:9). 2 Kings 13:5 talks of God giving Israel a "Savior" so that they were delivered from the hands of the Syrians. The judges of Israel were "saviors" as Nehemiah 9:27 states, "in the time of their suffering they cried out to you and you heard them from heaven, and according to your great mercies you gave them saviors who saved them from the hand of their enemies." (see also Psalm 36:6) A great deal more could be said to substantiate this idea of a savior, but I think the above would make the point. God provides food (Psalm 104:27, 28), sunlight and rainfall (Matt. 5:45), as well as life and breath and all things (Acts 17:25), for "in Him we live and move and have our being" (Acts 17:28). God preserves, delivers and supplies the needs of all who live in this world, and it is in this sense that He extends grace to them, saving them from destruction every day they live. God is also gracious in allowing many to hear the proclamation of the Gospel. All of these mercies are refered to as "common grace." It is common only in the sense that every living person gets it. This grace should actually amaze us because God is under no obligation whatsoever to give it to anyone. It can never be demanded. God sustains the lives of His sworn enemies, often for many decades! However, as wonderful as it is, it is only a temporal grace because all unregenerate people eventually die and will face the judgment (Heb. 9:27). It seems then that 1 Timothy 4:10 teaches that we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior (Soter - preserver, sustainer, deliverer) of all people (showing mercy to all, each and every day they live), especially of those who believe (who receive full salvation from His wrath and everlasting life).
The interpretation belongs to God! Repent! “I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:”- Deuteronomy chapter 30 verse 19. ruclips.net/video/TLymxPmGOcU/видео.html
@@Kman. too many others with a more eloquent way of explaining than my own. I dont claim those to be my own words. Just thought it was helpful to the discussion.
This is the glory of our Lord , right here the true word of God. Thankful to our Lord for giving eyes and ears to all the men like Jeff , who only preach the true word of God. For those who twist the word , who take away from the word , who add to His Holy word , who leave out context for a different meaning. I pray for those who are pull into the many false churches that they do a Matthew 7:7-8 "Ask ,and it will be given you ; seek, and you will find ; knock, and it will be open to you. (8) For everyone who ask receives , and he who seeks finds , and to him who knocks it will be open.
Thanks pastor Jeff for this great & true msg to the reformers & the non-reformers!! CMay the Lord continues use you & bless you, your family & your congregation🤲!
Watch the following RUclips video on Leighton Flowers channel, to see why Augustine invented Calvinism. "Was Augustine the first to introduce "CALVINISM" into the Church?" Augustine was attempting to explain how infants could become the "elect" through baptism. Since they had not come to faith, it must be based on the will of another. It could have nothing to do with the will of the child. .
@@tricord2939 Read the book "The Foundation of Augustinian-Calvinism" by Ken Wilson, if you want to understand why Augustine invented the doctrine to explain infant baptism.
One thing to make straight and to note is that we are saved by Grace and due to grace a lone. We can not deserve salvation by our selves. It is only through Jesus Christ that we are worthy, but the bible clearly teaches that one can reject and loose salvation later on at any point that one chooses to by their own decision making and actions. You get it for free and can keep it as long as you choose/want it. Hebrews 10:28-31
I dont think thats the Biblical position. No one will be plucked from His Hand. You may have some backsliding but you will never be lost again. This sounds like the Dominion Gospel
I’m guessing this is the only video you’ve seen from Apologia. I’ve watched hours and hours of their videos and sermons, and at the age of 48, I’ve heard more of the gospel in these past few weeks than I have in my entire churched life prior to finding Apologia.
Take a read at the comment section across all of Apoliga videos. You will see countless testimonies of people coming to Christ through the ministry of this channel. I would wager you haven't spread the gospel to not even 5% of the people these guys have.
It's absolutely amazing that if you say God chooses his people and that's what the bible teaches people lose there minds. People just can't handle that there's a God that rules over them.
God chose his people... Israel.... Thats not got anything to do with salvation. The bible teaches that anyone who believes on Jesus will be saved. Now, we can argue about what it means to "Believe" on Jesus. But what you can't do, is show me one passage in the bible that says ONLY the elect can be saved. God made a way for every man, we have to find that narrow path and gate. Jesus tasted death for every man.... one can twist that and try to Re-translate his way out of that... but that's the biblical truth.... He tasted death for every man.... otherwise... Why doesn't it say Jesus tasted death for the elect? Because that would be a lie.... that's why.
You are mistaken if you believe anti-Calvin views means that we don't believe God rules over us. God CHOSE to give us free will. It is psychotic to believe God created first man and set him on a course of sin.
Calvinism is not Christianity - we don't follow Calvin, but Christ. The vulture/rabbit story is actually a perfect explanation. In your example - God in his sovereignty changes the nature of the vulture into that of a rabbit, the rabbit still has the same choice that he did as a vulture. It is still his choice his free will, but because God changed his nature, he isn't going to choose the meat anymore.
So you believe in a movement started by a man called Calvin. I believe in a movement started by a man called Jesus. I have the KJB ( God's Holy Word in English today, for an English speaking world ) and I lean not unto mine own understanding, but I have the Holy Spirit to help me understand God's words.
I think I considered deep inside myself for the very longest time - 'has God set me aside'? I didn't think, 'for Himself'. I just wondered for the longest time, ever, in my thoughts, have I been set aside for Him? It happened while I was sitting at my computer one night, watching sermons, looking at Facebook, watching scrapbooking videos, in other words, doing anything I could to distract my mind from looking at the troubles surrounding me and trying extremely hard to not allow myself to 'think' that God in His Sovereignty, is allowing the shit in my life because I am His and His alone. And then that thought hit my mind, like a Rock to my head. Just before that 'thought' entered my head, I had thrown my mental cards in the air and said to the Lord, 'why don't I get to have/do/experience the joys that all these people do'? And all I 'heard' was, you are Mine! And I am going to be ruthlessly honest here - I was not full of joy. Not at all, at all, at all, at all. I immediately knew what that meant. If I am His, then nothing I can do will change that. If I am His, then I will never be able to live comfortably in the world in which I reside. If I am His, my will is irrelevant. My thoughts went deeper than that for the longest time. I had never heard of Calvinism then. But when I did, it just made sense. I don't think 'Calvinism' is necessary in it's title to name the thing.. but if it in some way shows the Lords Sovereignty, in ALL things... then so be it.
You get it. I believe "it" comes through revelation of Himself and what sovereignty truly means. Modern western thought has indoctrinated people with free will, however the kingdom of God is not a democratic republic, but a monarchy with a King. King Jesus!
@@toddcote4904 I do get it, but I am honest enough to say that I do not fully understand at all. I despair a lot. I do. But I desire to always proclaim. I am His. I am His. I am His. And whose better to be, than His. xxx
My wife’s brother-in-law is an elder in the PCA. He anathematized both me and my family for not believing that God “meticulously predestinates everything that has or will ever happen for His own good pleasure and glory.” It turns out that he was cheating on his wife with multiple women the whole time he was condemning me. It must be then that God found pleasure in his wife saying, “Sayonara you creep.”
What is the point of evangelism? Your refutation by turning it back on us doesnt answer the question. If what you say is true, then if God calls them, why do we need to go tell them?
Look, God tells me to do something, I do it. I get that. We're not talking about who is obeying God or Christ more. It is an honest question. What is the function of preaching if God calls whom he calls? Paul asks how could a man accept the Gospel if he doesn't hear. Following this same logic, is that not somehow a limitation on God? Granted, I don't think that is the case. We are His tools. Every rule that God has given us as far as I am aware has clear reasoning behind it. I just want to understand the reasoning behind this, if possible.
@@christianmama2441 ok, but we are just a means. God does not need us to preach the Gospel so that He can THEN call someone so they can be saved, right? If He doesnt need us, then again, I ask, what is the purpose?
christianmama You cannot preach the Gospel to everyone if the Gospel is not FOR everyone. If you did you’d be preaching a lie. Gospel means “Good News” You can’t preach the Good news of Christ’s death, burial and resurrection to everyone if it’s not FOR everyone. It’s not Good News to people who in the reformed view are predestined to hell. That’s the opposite of the Gospel. That’s the opposite of Good News.
@@Vote4Trump2MAGA Right there is the extreme folly of those enamoured and taken by the Trinity " Those you sent me " God sends Himself His own children to save!!! Are they all to be Gods if Jesus is God which is preposterous and denied many, many times in Jesus's Bible. One means as always with the kingdom of Heaven in a spiritual sense to be on the same page thinking wise no arguments, complete and utter peaceful agreement, now that would be nice. The Bible says God is not approachable and not understandable so if Jesus is God we are LOST utterly we cant approach him and understand him. !!!!!!
Pastor Jeff, my heart rejoices when I consider the glorious things God is doing with Apologia, specifically with respect to ending abortion. Also, you have helped me a lot in pointing out the flaws in most atheistic arguments and for that God bless you. But I must say, I disagree with your stance on this one. If I am not mistaken what you are advocating for is that even though God can save everyone if He wanted to, He does not do that. My number one problem with this is that I thought God's will is that every man comes to the saving knowledge of Christ (1 Timothy 2:4). If God has the power to do that, then why does He choose not to do so? Also, if I am to take God's sovereignty as it has been described by most reformed individuals (It basically boils down to God is the direct cause of everything), then God's judgement wouldn't make any sense. For example God causes someone to sin and He punishes the person for what He caused him to do. To me that is very inconsistent. I'd really like to hear your responses. Thank you.
@The Bibliognost THE BIBLE MAKES IT VERY CLEAR THAT GOD DIED FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD 1 JOHN 2:2. GOD HAS GIVEN MANKIND THE FREEWILL TO CHOOSE OR REJECT HIS FREE GIFT OF SALVATION. IF WE READ MATTHEW 7:13-14 "13 “ENTER THROUGH THE NARROW GATE. FOR WIDE IS THE GATE AND BROAD IS THE ROAD THAT LEADS TO DESTRUCTION, AND MANY ENTER THROUGH IT. 14 BUT SMALL IS THE GATE AND NARROW THE ROAD THAT LEADS TO LIFE, AND ONLY A FEW FIND IT." GOD ALREADY KNOWS THE DECISIONS I'VE CHOSEN (FREEWILL) AND WHERE I'M GOING WHEN I DIE (HEAVEN OR HELL.) I LOVE THIS VERSE FROM MY HOLY GOD. EZEKIEL 33:11 "SAY TO THEM, ‘AS SURELY AS I LIVE, DECLARES THE SOVEREIGN LORD, I TAKE NO PLEASURE IN THE DEATH OF THE WICKED, BUT RATHER THAT THEY TURN FROM THEIR WAYS AND LIVE. TURN! TURN FROM YOUR EVIL WAYS! WHY WILL YOU DIE, PEOPLE OF ISRAEL?" GOD WANTS THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL TO TURN FROM THEIR EVIL WAYS AND LIVE. GOD HASN'T PREDESTINED THE ISRAELITES BEFORE TIME OF GOING HELL. GOD BLESS YOU.
**Sovereignty does NOT mean determinism, it means GOD IS IN CONTROL and His ability to do whatever He wants. Sovereignty is translated from “LORD, LORD” and is not even found once in the KJV! (It’s only found in the ESV 3 times). Reformers wrongly define the concept of divine sovereignty as meaning “meticulous deterministic control over ever thing, including the evil intentions of creatures.” The scriptures simply never teach this concept. Instead, divine sovereignty is reflected as God’s ability to do whatever He is pleased to do (Ps. 115:3) even if that may include giving the world over to creature’s free dominion (Ps. 115:16).
The Bible teaches both God’s sovereignty and man’s free will. Why not just accept that tension as a mystery instead of calling yourself a Calvinist and coming down on the side of God being completely sovereign? Scripture clearly teaches both.
FYI, that's exactly what "Calvinists" teach. Checkout what they write in their own confessions. For example Westminster Confession Chapter 3 section 1: God from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass; yet so, as thereby neither is God the author of sin, _nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures;_ nor is the _liberty_ or contingency of second causes taken away, _but rather established._ Scripture teaches both, so Calvinists confess both.
@@oracleoftroythat’s circular reasoning, Calvin or confession says it’s true so it’s true? God is the author of sin in Calvinism and sin still happens, explain how
Calvinists never look at the rest of the book of John. If they did, they would read in John 12:32 ‘But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL men to myself.’
Mark 16:15 And then he told them, “Go into all the world and preach the Good News to everyone. Mark 16:16 Anyone who believes and is baptized will be saved. But anyone who refuses to believe will be condemned.
If God is completely sovereign and in all things and through all things, who can deny his will? Why would God allow people to not believe in him? Is eternal suffering better than God saving people? He’s pursued and followed his elect. Did he pursue and follow the damned as well?
I do like Jeff but I believe he misinterpreted John 3:16. I have never heard of Calvin or Arminius until a few years ago. The one thing that seems to stand out to me is that Calvinist are firm and proud in their Calvinism. Calvinist also take joy in belittling non-Calvinists. Personally, I do not follow Calvin, Arminius, Paul, nor Apollos. I follow Christ. While I do understand that we learn our theology from different teachers such as Calvin and the others but a Calvinist seems to elevate Calvin to a place not even Calvin would want.
Michael Miller most genuine Calvinists I know simply use the name to identify and make clear which doctrines they believe so as to be able to communicate quickly without going through every point. Not that they agree with every single thing Brother J. Calvin did. As Charles Spurgeon put it, “I did not learn Calvinism from Calvin but from Christ in his Word.”
@@ConvictionsandCompassion THE REFORMED DOCTRINE OF ORIGINAL SIN, WHICH USUALLY INCLUDES IMPUTED GUILT, ESSENTIALLY MEANS THAT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN INNOCENT CHILD IN THE EYES OF GOD. ALL INFANTS ARE GUILTY AND CORRUPT BEFORE GOD, AT CONCEPTION, BECAUSE OF ORIGINAL SIN. THIS IS WHAT CHARLES SPURGEON AND B.B. WARFIELD THINK. DO YOU AGREE? GOD BLESS YOU
"9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him" Hebrews 5:9 "34 Then Peter opened his mouth and said: “In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. 35 But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him." Acts 10:34-35 "3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth." 1 Timothy 2:3-4 "9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." 2 Peter 3:9
Jadon Bouma predestined is determined by the Word of God doing what it says it will do. It is blasphemy to suggest it doesn’t. Jesus came to save sinners from their sins. The gospel is only hid to those that do not believe. 3] But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: [4] In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. I would not want to join forces with devil and make the cross of Jesus of no effect. It is very simple but men that think they are knowledgeable try to distort the truth. God searches the hearts for faith and sends those with faith to Jesus. There is not many of high degree that is chosen to minister. There is a reason, pride in mans intellect. I dont care if it is John Calvin, buddha, joseph smith, it is all men that were not chose to bind the Word of God in heaven and earth. Those that were chosen are recorded in the new testament. You don’t need that any man teach you, but the Holy Spirit will lead you to all truth. Let every man be a liar and God be the truth. We are predestined according to obeying the gospel of Jesus Christ which is to repent and be baptized( immersed) in His name by believing in Jesus. Many complicate this and get into the wisdom of men rather than the power of the Holy Spirit which is according to the truth of the Word of God.
I love your work Pastor Jeff Durbin! Thanks for spreading the gospel. One thing I'd like to share with you is that at 27ish minutes in you brought up sola scriptura vs traditions. I'm Anglican (belong to a evangelical church). We have traditions, but our main one is sola scriptura! (Of course we do have some internal tensions and they are being worked out. God wins in the end).
I’m praying for this teachers hardened heart and to stop accepting all the contradictions in Calvinism by calling them mysteries. He loves the Lord. Just off course because of who his teachers are. Praying!
If God predestined people to be saved, then what is the point of sacrificially sending Jesus to the cross? Since from the beginning of the world God already knows who will be saved and who will be condemned, sending Jesus would have no effect on God's decision anyway- because He never changes (His mind). If you say, so that He would completely understand how it is being human, emotions, pain and all, then it would mean He is not Almighty in the sense that He is limited in HIs knowledge and understanding. Can someone clarify this for me?
@Johan Strydom - How can God withhold grace and Christ’s atonement from some of His creatures and then condemn them to the Lake of Fire for all eternity for not accepting what was never offered to them?
Thank you Jeff for reminding us all of the simple truths that are often lost when we attempt to throw our own reason at the Bible. Martin Luther is my hero in the faith (and I can't wait to meet him); he was an unpolished and sometimes crass man who was not afraid to confront issues head on and tell it like it is - he once said that reason is the Devil's whore, and it is the biggest enemy to the faith. When we see people confronting the Bible with ideas like "you can't command someone to love you, that's not true love," I think that this is the exact kind of reason that brother Martin had in mind. “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the great and foremost commandment (Matthew 22:36-37).
Larry: You left out the two succeeding verses 39 And the second *is like it:* ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these *two* commandments.” Thus, Jesus gave us two apparently coequal commandments which you selectively concealed, which is a significant lie by selective silence. Also, *if* God really is a Good Father as Jesus repeatedly indicated, among (if not first among) His greatest desires is that *His children not harm each other.* I know that you are unable to be a father, *and thus you will never know the hearbreak of having one of your children harm another (particularly deliberately, out of cruelty) but it is among the most helpless and heartbreaking things a father can experience.* Perhaps you had a good father yourself to experience this dynamic, or perhaps you can just intuit it.
FEELSonWHEELS, Luther didn't hate Jews... You have to read everything that he wrote. As Luther aged and his health began to fail, he became increasingly bitter against the Jewish people because they failed to convert en masse to what he felt was overwhelming proof that they have rejected their Messiah. Shortly before his death, he penned some bitter things against them, sure, but when you look at his cannon, especially some of his earlier writings, you see that he did have a heart for them. You said: *"The problem with Jeff is that he is throwing is own philosophy into the Bible, instead of reading it simply."* Really? What specifically? You said: *"Calvinists always have terrible reading comprehension for some reason. I think it's pride."* Interesting. Have you read "Institutes of the Christian Religion?" If you have a specific issue, I've got my copy right here, let me know chapter and paragraph, and let's talk about it.
All the Father gives me will come to me, and the one who comes to me I will never cast out. -John 6:37 I don't see how this could be interpreted as Jesus talking about Glory.
I think we all agree with the fact that we cannot know everything (unless he's a fool) but I prefer knowing what God says in his word than being an ignorant.
16:40 The sheep given to Christ are those who have faith in God and believe in God who is doing the miracles etc by Christ. Once they acknowledged God, specifically God affirming Christ, they were in turn entrusted to Christ by that faith in God. The context deals with a lack of belief despite the obvious. Jesus CONTINUED to try to convince these same men! Why? If they were already declared unelectable, why? Look what he says to them: John 10:37-38 KJV [37] If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. [38] But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
@@sssimplydave Good answer, May I add that I believe that Christ is in us as we assist in saving the lost. With that said, we are not only doing the work of His kingdom we are also an extension of His kingdom. It is Christ in us and us in Christ establishing His kingdom on earth.
Why evangelize? The answer is a simple one: The Lord commands the proclamation of His Gospel. The conversion of souls is a Divine act, not a human one. However, He, in His sovereign design, has allowed His people to participate in the spreading of His Good News. He ordains the ends, and, obviously, He ordains the means to those ends. What a privilege the followers of Christ have been given to take His Gospel to every person He has put in their particular path.
for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?
Because God has chosen the means of that salvation, and it is written that faith comes by hearing, and hearing is by the word of God. Therefore, if we don't evangelize, as it has already been pointed out that it is our obligation, then faith will not come, and faith will not be generated by the Spirit. Also, remember that words are spiritual in nature, and it is God the Holy Spirit who takes those words and uses them to effect the spiritual rebirth and faith in the hearers. This is evidence by the statement in the scriptures that, "life and death are in the power of the tongue, and blessed they are who live by it."
I’m trying to understand Calvinism, and when I say Calvinism I mean the U in TULIP ( Unconditional Election )... If in fact God has chosen people to have eternal life and others will be condemned to hell NOT because they don’t accept Jesus but because God hasn’t chosen them. I have a hard time understanding that. I can understand Calvinism stating the elect of God are just the people that choose to believe in Jesus. He is all knowing so he already knows who will accept Jesus and who will deny Jesus. Therefor the “ elect “ would be the people who choose Jesus not who God chose. If it was God choosing people and not choosing others then what’s the point of Jesus? I believe Jesus is the bridge to God. John 14:6 “ I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me “ if there was an Elect what’s the point of sharing the Gospel? What if the one sharing the Gospel isn’t in the Elect but the one who they are sharing the Gospel to is? These are not challenging questions to Calvinism just questions I have as I am learning more and more about Calvinism and automatically have questions. Now the funny part is if I’m wrong and Calvinism is right, I’m saved through Jesus... If I’m right and Calvinism is wrong, I’m still saved through Jesus... 🤷🏻♂️
Mario Bianchini Predestination is NOT about the salvation of lost people. It’s about the guaranteed future of SAVED people. Predestination is mentioned 4 times in the Bible in 3 separate verses and NOT ONCE IS IT REFERRING TO SALVATION. In each case the passage clearly says WHO is being predestinated and TO WHAT they are being predestinated to. Predestination doesn’t speak to who is saved or not. Rather, it speaks to the ‘DESTINY’ of those who ARE SAVED/elect. It speaks to God’s ENDS for the elect who are ALREADY IN CHRIST THROUGH FAITH (Believers). It is the BELIEVERS who are the ones who love God, and who are therefore foreknown by Him. IN CHRIST they possess redemption and the forgiveness of sins by faith. BELIEVERS are predestined by God. *****It does NOT say that unbelievers are predestined TO BE believers.***** In all those passages ask your self WHO is being predestined and WHAT are they being predestined to? **Not once is it an unbeliever.** **Not once is it predestined to salvation.** BELIEVERS are predestined to inherit salvation, to be justified and to be brought into glory. If there remains a veil over the hearts of the Jews for failing to see Christ in the Scriptures, why should we think that the same veil would not also blind those who teach a primary Election APART from Jesus? ************************************* Reformers believe that the FINAL DESTINATION of election is to BECOME in Christ, whereas scripture says that the SOURCE of election is IN CHRIST. With respect to salvation in Christ, predestination speaks not to WHO will be among the elect, but to WHAT GOD’S ULTIMATE PURPOSES ARE FOR THOSE WHO ARE ELECT IN CHRIST. It was never about what we have in the Father INDEPENDENT of the Son. It’s all about HIS SON. It’s all about CHRIST. CHRIST IS THE ELECT ONE. We are merely elect BASED UPON OUR ASSOCIATION AND IDENTIFICATION WITH CHRIST! It’s IMPOSSIBLE to be elect before we have any identity with Christ. THAT WOULD USURP CHRIST! ...If I have been chosen IN THE FATHER from before the foundation of the world in an eternal Election IN HIMSELF, then does Christ intercede for me in heaven in vain, knowing that I have already been eternally mediated to the Father by His eternal secret counsel? What would Christ be interceding for? In a primary, in the Father Election, Christ as “Savior” is UNDERMINED and CALVARY BECOMES A MERE FORMALITY since the Father’s alleged, secret love from eternity past had already, in a sense, saved us. **But that’s NOT what the bible teaches. The bible teaches that BELIEVERS are predestined to certain end IN CHRIST. We are saved by grace THROUGH FAITH in what Christ did on Calvary. We are NOT saved through election. We’re saved by grace THROUGH FAITH in Christ. He’s given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee. We’re His. And BECAUSE of that, all of the promises of God are ‘yes’ and ‘Amen’ for you, because you are IN CHRIST JESUS. This is a good paraphrase of the big picture of Ephesians chapter 1. The basis for our covenant blessings are rooted in being IN CHRIST. **With reformed theology, it’s quite different, as their basis for blessings is having been secretly elected in the Father, and for some inexplicable reason, with the result that the reformed ‘elect’ are caused to believe and chosen to become in Christ. There’s your contrast. EPHESIANS 1:4 - BELIEVERS chosen to be Holy and Blameless IN CHRIST. EPHESIANS 1:5 - BELIEVERS are predestined to be adopted children of God BY JESUS: EPHESIANS 1:11,12 - BELIEVERS (who first trusted in Christ) are predestined to be the PRAISE OF HIS GLORY: ROMANS 8:29 - BELIEVERS (those who are in IN CHRIST) are predestined to be CONFORMED TO HIS IMAGE (through sanctification).
Mario Bianchini Nowhere in scripture is an unbeliever elected to be a believer. Election is ALWAYS to SERVICE and never to salvation apart from Christ.
If people go to hell they only have themselves and their sins to blame. Not the fact that God didn't choose them. Election saves many justly condemned sinners, but God is under no obligation to extend His electing grace to everyone.
Larry Anderson God is under no obligation to extend His electing grace to everyone? You mean SAVING grace. Grace that BRINGETH SALVATION. He’s already extended it you’re too late. Titus 2:11 clearly states God’s SAVING GRACE has appeared to ALL men. TITUS 2:11 11 FOR THE GRACE OF GOD THAT BRINGETH SALVATION HATH APPEARED TO ALL MEN, Not just grace but SAVING grace. Grace that BRINGETH SALVATION. Q: WHO has this SAVING grace appeared to? A: ALL men.
Bippity Boppity, Let me prove it to you the heretical teaching of Calvinism. Do read below and your comments please. Most Calvinism self-professed claim that they are the "the sheep"(the elect) which Jesus came only to seek and to save as only their sins had been paid for on the cross. Let us see whether their claim aligned with the bible. Here I quote; (Mat 10:5) These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: (Mat 10:6) But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. These verses stated in the 1st century, Jesus had send out his twelve and specifically commanded them "not" to go to the Gentiles and Samartans but only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Firstly, was Jesus seeking after the self-proclaimed "sheep" (the elect) of Gentiles origin , living in the 20th. century or the Jews, His lost sheep living in the 1st century? Secondly, are the Gentiles considered to be the house of Israel? You can now see the true absurdity of the Calvinist's claim to be the "sheep" (the elect) when they aren't. When you tell a lie, it always backfires. Thank you.
One last question and I mean this with all respect. So what is the purpose of evangelizing? When a Calvinist goes out and tells people about Jesus what is actually happening? Do these people not know they were saved until they were told? Is there anything a newly awakened Calvinist need to do to be saved; repent, confess, believe?
Did God, or did He not, tell us in the Scriptures to evangelize? God has chosen to use the gospel to save His people from their sins. The gospel comes from (LISTEN!) HUMANS! If He wanted to shout it from angels, He could. But He told us to evangelize.
I was a firm atheist and God was nothing but a made up entity humans created to make them feel comfortable about death. Jesus found me and now I believe. I'm a Calvinist simply because I cannot possibly conceive that what happened to my mind and my heart wasn't supernatural and an act iniciated solely by the Lord's grace. I could NEVER choose God. God choose me.
Amen brother, so glad God saved you. He saved me too. I was not looking for Him, He Found and Saved Us!
No, my friend, we are all going to hell unless God changes our hearts
Nathan: Of all of the perceptions which currently exist within your thinking - what percentage of them are FALSE perceptions? You don't have the ability to discern that. And you should know that discerning TRUE from FALSE on any matter is totally determined by your perceptions on that matter.
Determinism stipulates - that all perceptions which come to pass within your brain are determined by an external mind. You are not permitted to discern true perceptions from false perceptions which currently exist within your brain.
Thus on determinism - you have no ability to discern TRUE from FALSE on any matter.
Amen!!!
Ephesians 1:4 KJV
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
... I looked up the word "US" ...in my Strong's concordance for Ephesians 1:4... "US" is not a limiting word..it means "US"...
God has predestined everyone of "US" to be saved....but he love "US" so much that he gave "US" a Free Will choice, "Whosoever Will"....
John 3:16: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
John 3:18: “He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”
John 3:36: “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”
John 5:24: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 6:35: “And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.”
John 6:40: “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. “
John 6:47: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.”
John 7:38: “He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.”
John 8:24: “I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.”
John 11:25: “Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:”
John 11:26: “And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”
John 12:46: “I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.”
John 16:27: “For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.”
John 20:31: “But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”
Acts 2:21: “And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
Acts 5:14: “And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)”
Acts 8:12: “But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.”
Acts 8:13: “Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.”
Acts 8:37 (8:35-38): “Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.”
Here are just some of the verses that say we are saved by faith....
Thank you Jeff for doing this, I'm a truck driver and can't always make it to church, but your sermons help me to praise God while on the road. Thank you again and God bless.
Caleb Adams Jeff is also my pastor otr. Learned more through this preaching than I did growing up in church.
Caleb Adams same
SPIKOR. Explain how?
You have learned that God is a pompous prideful arrogant uncaring unfeeling puppet master that has chosen men to go to hell through no choice of their own? That is the God you serve????? Better read your Bible again. This is DAMNING HERESY.
gladiator8324 most calvinists I know are pretty willing to admit that this is just one of the ways to interpret scripture, Gods love is still present, and is even seemingly deepened by such understandings, also, no, Calvinists dont believe God is a puppet master, and no they dont think God sends men to hell through no choice of their own.
Just because you fail to see the arguments theyve laid out does not mean you can just call it a "damning heresy".
Instead of telling people who choose to let the scripture create their doctrine to go read the bible again, why dont you ask them to show you where in scripture they are drawing such doctrine? I bet youd learn a lot more about your position that way rather than just yelling heresy at people you dont understand.
my firm disagreement with Calvinism is not over God’s sovereignty, which I fully embrace and to which I submit. The issue is whether God loves all without partiality and desires all to be saved. Unquestionably, Calvinism denies such love; but the Bible, in the clearest language repeatedly declares God’s love to all and His desire that all should be saved and none should be lost
But wouldn't you agree that love, in order for it to be truly genuine, must be discriminate? An wouldn't God, who is all-powerful, be able to save those He "desires", even if they were at first unwilling?
PatternSon He wants to save everyone... But he gives us free will to choose to come to him.
And this dumb argument saying he can't save people he wants to...... He can... but chooses to let us choose for ourselves.
Repentance is a choice.
True love discriminate?? That's a crazy thought process.
No, God does not love all without partiality, that is obvious.
though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad-in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls- she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” Romans 9:11-13
I am sure you have read that before, but this verse and many others definitely demonstrate that God does not love all the same. Does a father love other children to the same extent that he loves is own? I think that is what PatternSon means when he says "doesn't true love discriminate", of course it does, how else could a person know if a father loves his son if it were not obvious that he shows more affection to his son over others.
LOL! Well God's ways have WAY more depth then that, for one, everyone has a purpose, we do not always like the purpose, but everyone is made for a purpose, and not everyone likes the idea that some people are made for honorable use and other dishonorable but hey that is what the Bible says. The Bible also says that "no one seeks after God" so unless God actually chooses some to be saved then non would be.
ML Wilson no God gives free will for us to make a choice..... God wants us all to choose him.. That doesn't make it so he's not sovereign.... His sovereignty gives us free will... And that doesn't make it universalism either..
This preacher is really a man approved of God.His message is worth hearing of.God bless Preacher!
Chosen
Over the past year, I've been leaning more toward calvinist theology. This has illuminated me into seeking more and more towards the Truth. Definitely a lot to meditate on. Thank you Pastor Durbin!
David Witkop II when I got saved I didn’t know what Calvinism was....the more I studied the Word and started to watch debates on the subject there’s no doubt that Reformed Theology is consistent and biblical. It’s a tough pill to swallow but it’s God centered....Arminianism is man centered.
@@brendanwright8415 I'm in the same boat
I would suggest you study and pray hard on this subject and maybe listen to men like Dr. Brown for an alternative view. In my study, I've found no redeeming aspects of Calvinism. I know there are a lot of good Christians that hold to this theology, but in my opinion it belittles God. My God is big enough to give me free will and still foreknow my choices. My free will does not endanger His sovereignty in any way. As far as I can see, there is no way to accept Calvinism without changing the very nature of God. Love, mercy, and justice must all be redefined. Just one man's opinion. God bless your journey!
@@mcochran4307 I started out as a Christian with the Armenian view. The thing that got me to question it is the question:
Why do some people believe, while others don't?
We are all spiritually dead coming into the world according to the Bible, so I never understood why someone could repent and believe while someone else wouldn't. The only way that would be possible is if I had something in me that the non believer didn't have. Was I born with a better, softer heart than the non-believer? Am I inherently better than the non-believer? Why did I accept the gospel while a non-believer rejected it? That gives me something to boast about if it came from within me.
The belief that I was regenerated before I repented and believed just makes more sense to me. It was all an act of God. Everyone comes into the world spiritually dead and inclined towards sin. Also if everyone comes into the world spiritually dead, I don't see how God could look down the corridor of time and see people choosing Him. The only reason anyone comes to faith and repents is because God replaces the heart of stone with a heart of flesh and draws us toward Christ.
I always see people trying to prove that God exists and the Bible is real to non-believers with no avail. Have you ever asked yourself where did my faith come from? Yes it comes from hearing the Gospel, but if it were just the gospel that creates faith, then everyone who hears it would believe, but that isn't the case.
1 Cor 1:18
For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
1 Cor 1:22-24
For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
Also I don't believe that Calvinism says that we don't have free will. I still believe in free-will. I just believe that we are all dead in sin and blinded to God by our flesh, the world, and Satan. So by our nature, we will always choose sin instead of God. However once God regenerates us and opens our eyes, our wills change to repent and put our faith in Jesus Christ. God doesn't force us to love Him, our wills change once our eyes are opened.
Anyways that's my view on it. I could go into more detail about different aspects, but I am also still learning. I just wanted to point out that the main thing that made me question my Arminian view was why do some people believe while others don't. God bless
@@mcochran4307 I appreciate your concern regarding Truth and the true nature of God. For me it seems to describe God and Christ bigger than ever. But that's my view and opinion in love from one brother in Christ to another. Much love man.
One of, if not THE best, most scriptural teachings on the Sovereign Grace of God & Calvinism, that I have ever heard! Thanks!
I like the way he's praying, eyes open. He understands we close eyes not because It's a custom but just to avoid distractions!!!
this is the one sermon that completely changed my life, and the way that i worship.
thank you durbin and apologia.
still all glory to Christ.
chrisxx I thought only the gospel can change a life rather than a sermon then you must be a calvinist like pastor jeff. explain to me if you will about calvinism as no one so far can convince me of calvinism. perhaps you can help me please.
@Adrian Pritchard You claimed Jesus didn't die for everybody but that contradicts the bible unless you don't believe in the bible. I quote this bible verse; (1Jn 2:2) And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
He died for the sins of the whole world and that is what the bible says.
I don't see in the bible that commanded us to go to south Africa as sinners around the world need to hear the gospel too.
I don't look to James White or Paul but I look to the gospel of Christ for my salvation. There is more of the bible you need to learn Adrian.
@Adrian Pritchard If Jesus died for every man, how is it that some are lost and sent to eternal damnation? If you believe that Christ died for all, but all are saved, you are saying that "Salvation is of the Lord" is a lie. In your scheme, salvation is of man. Man's will trumps God's will. God saves those who save themselves by choosing correctly. Right?
but NOT all are saved is what I meant to say
@@93556108 1 John in chapter 2 starts of with my little children so for him to say that means he’s talking to the saved Christines the sins for the whole world means sins for he’s elect from all the world Ephesians two explains we are getting our trespasses and sins he makes us alive dead men cart bring them selfs back to life it’s all God is doing oh he’s not God and definitely can’t be sovereign if you think he dies for every one.
I'm only about 17 minutes in. I've never understood why this is a controversy in the first place, especially as it pertains to evangelism. God knows whom He has chosen. We do not! It's not our job to figure that out. We preach to everyone and leave the results to Him. On the flip side, if you don't believe God chooses people, you still preach to everyone and leave the results to him. I don't understand the big deal.
Exactly. I've been wrestling with this for a long time, which side of the controversy is right. But honestly I don't believe it's always our place to know.
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Calvinism is against God's nature.
God does not choose some people, randomly, for eternal suffering in hell. That is a false god and not the true God of the Bible.
John 3:17 clearly states all of humanity has the ability, possibility and potentiality to believe and be saved, all. To preach anything else is to preach lies and heresy.
For 101 more verses that refute Calvinism see my study at diekrupt.blogspot.com
Janne2 Olof If not save both persons as you stated above, at least allow everyone the same opportunity of salvation.
Ad I understand Calvinism, God "calls out: only to the Elect. Where do verses like John 3:16 "whosoever believes" and 1Timothy 2:4 "all men to be saved". I've wrestled with this doctrine and I can't believe God wouldn't give each person a chance at Redemption. Acts 10;34 says God is no respecter of persons.
The Big Deal is that Calvinists are taking clear biblical teaching and reaching conclusions beyond what the text says. If you follow Calvinists' thinking, here's the BIG DEAL: THERE IS NO CHANCE OF SALVATION IF YOU'RE NOT THE ELECT. That is NOT the God I serve!!!
The strange thing about Calvinism is in trying to reconcile its supposed deep concern with doctrinal purity with its belief in predestination to salvation and its necessary flip side, predestination to damnation. If a person is predestined to salvation, no amount of false doctrine will ultimately prevent them from being saved. If a person is predestined to damnation, no amount of truth will reach them. So exactly who is false doctrine a "danger" to, and exactly who is truth a help to?
This is a fantastic point. I was just thinking the same thing over the past few weeks. I can't get past this either. This kind of predestination is dangerous because it removes all value from our choices and renders us all meaningless. Sin is also meaningless. If God wills us to "sin" then it is no longer sin because it conforms to the will of God.
if we are predestined i literally want to be dead now. such a good comment. why are we preaching? why are missionaries risking their lives and their children's lives to preach when there is literally no point. lol here's the good news except it's horrible if you're headed for death no matter what.
Is it not, rather, that those missionaries are on the exact mission to save those who have been predestined. You can't look at God from a human perspective since the father is not in time and does not in time in the same way we do. You know that if you are in Christ you believed in Christ, it wasn't Christ forcing you to believe. So why do we think that people who run from God expienece this divine blindness, maybe it is but often I would say it is a blindness of sin itself that suppresses the knowledge of God. What do you think
@@Destroyerpan 1 Corinthians 2:14 " the natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned".
YES!!!!!! I couldn't agree more. That's a fantastic point. Why debate truth or discuss truth if it has no effect on anyone or any situation. Sure, God COULD predetermine everything. He's the creator, He can do whatever He wants. But all His commands would contradict themselves if predetermined salvation is true.
Absolutely true " you don't believe in me, but all God has put to me will be brought to me" AMEN !
Common reaction to election
John 6:65 Then he said, "That is why I said that people can't come to me unless the Father gives them to me."From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.
All the Armenians left Jesus
Lol
Are you one of the elect??😊
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He can’t know because false conversions happen all the time. He won’t know until he dies
@@CoffeeCoffeeCoffee86 so there is no assurance in Calvinism.. all you can really do is look to your perseverance, which sounds like works.. and hope you got a golden ticket..
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Exactly
When a pastor starts a sermon/talk with “ open your Bible…” that’s a good start….
Calvinism is not about grace. It is about pride. Pride in ourselves for being chosen and pride in Calvin. Too many Calvinists simply don't care about the unsaved. For every verse that supports so called calvinism there is another verse that clearly states Jesus died for all and God desires that no one perish. We emphasize Bible verses that support our own denomination bias. There are unquestionably born again believers on both sides of this argument.
If thats true they arent saved. You may be referring to the "Cage Stage" A true believer in Christ knows its nothing of themselves and remain gracious and meek. Not to be confused with allowing false teaching and sin to be rampant in the church. The modern church is passive and Reformed churches call it out. Thats the bigger issue. Charismatics dont like being told they are in error.
I can’t get enough of the truth and learning about God! Thank you for explaining it so simply.
What is simple is per Christ he died for all, not just the elect. Thank you, dear Lord.
Chantal Carrere may I suggest you refer to the bible and not only listened to their sweet talks. Do you know what they actually preached?. In Calvin's theory it says God predestined or preordained some to eternal life and the rest of them predestinated for condemnation in hell which is a damnable heresy. don't believe me search Calvinism doctrine statement of calvin in the internet and read it for yourself before you proceed any further. thanks
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Hold on calvanism....
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
So you're saying God WANTS all to come to repentance but then sovereignly chooses NOT to save people with His irresistible grace....come on guys that contradicts itself.
AMEN BROTHER.
In light of 2 Peter 3:9, let me give you a Sovereign grace (Calvinist) perspective. The Bible is clearly a book for God’s sheep, His redeemed ones, so when it says anyone or all, the meaning is all of God’s chosen ones. Or all meaning, all out of every tribe and all nations on the earth, not every single person on earth. You must interpret a passage in light of other passages when the passage says all or anyone. Remember, the readers of the Bible are Believers. Only the converted soul can understand it. The unconverted can read the Bible, but doesn’t read it with a converted mind and heart unless God converts his heart while reading it. I hope I can shed some light on the Sovereign grace perspective. Pastor Jeff is not a false teacher.
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***** USE YOUR COMMON SENSE AND LOGICAL REASONING MY FRIEND. 1 JOHN 2:2 “HE IS THE ATONING SACRIFICE FOR OUR SINS, AND NOT ONLY FOR OURS BUT ALSO FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD." IS JESUS ATONING SACRIFICE FOR THE SINS OF ONLY THE ELECT OR FOR THE WHOLE WORLD? SCRIPTURE MAKES IT VERY CLEAR. GOD CAN'T CONTRADICT HIMSELF. I WORSHIP AN OMNISCIENT GOD. 1 CORINTHIANS 14:33 “33 FOR GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION, BUT OF PEACE, AS IN ALL CHURCHES OF THE SAINTS.” I WORSHIP A RIGHTEOUS, HOLY, LOVING, JUSTFUL. MERCIFUL GOD WHO DIED FOR THE SINS OF THE (WHOLE) ENTIRE WORLD. THIS HOLY VERSE CAN’T BE ANY CLEARER. THIS VERSE IS NOT ONLY FOR GOD'S SHEEP, BUT ALL MANKIND.
1 JOHN 2:2 GREEK TO ENGLISH. PERI (ALSO) HOLOU (ALL) TOU (THE) KOSMOU (WORLD) KOSMOU ACTUALLY MEANS COSMOS WHICH IS THE UNIVERSE. IF I PREDETERMINE OR PREDESTINED PEOPLE TO LOVE ME. THAT’S NOT LOVE. THAT’S CONTROL. MY FRIEND. GOD BLESS YOU
EZEKIEL 18:23”DO I TAKE ANY PLEASURE IN THE DEATH OF THE WICKED? DECLARES THE SOVEREIGN LORD. RATHER, AM I NOT PLEASED WHEN THEY TURN FROM THEIR WAYS AND LIVE?”
Merci Beaucoup
I disagree with you on what sins of the whole world means. The sins of the whole world means, the sacrifice of the sins of people from every tribe and nation in the whole world, not every single person.
“All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.”
John 6:37, 39 ESV
Question: Who are those whom the Father gives to the Son? But those God opens up their heart to believe in Jesus and trust Him, none other than God’s elect.
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WE BOTH KNOW GOD IS OMNIPOTENT AND OMNISCIENT. GOD SAW EVERYTHING THAT HE HAD MADE AND, BEHOLD, IT WAS VERY GOOD GENESIS 1:31. IN GENESIS 3 WE KNOW THE FALL OF ADAM AND EVE'S SIN WHEN GOD SAID NOT TO EAT THE FRUIT FROM THAT TREE GENESIS 2:17. GOD COMMANDED ADAM AND EVE NOT TO EAT FROM THE FRUIT OF KNOWLEDGE. WHY DIDN’T GOD STOP ADAM AND EVE FROM EATING THAT FRUIT? GOD COULD HAVE STOPPED THIS FROM HAPPENING. HE DIDN’T. WHO WAS IN COMPLETE CONTROL OF ADAM'S SIN MY REFORMER FRIENDS? WAS IT GOD, ADAM OR SATAN? ACCORDING TO REFORMERS GOD ORDAINED SIN TO COME INTO THE WORLD. WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE OPTION TO CHOOSE OR REJECT GOD'S COMMANDMENTS. WE CALL THAT FREE WILL. THIS IS GOD SPEAKING. EZEKIEL 33:11 "SAY TO THEM, ‘AS SURELY AS I LIVE, DECLARES THE SOVEREIGN LORD, I TAKE NO PLEASURE IN THE DEATH OF THE WICKED, BUT RATHER THAT THEY TURN FROM THEIR WAYS AND LIVE. TURN! TURN FROM YOUR EVIL WAYS! WHY WILL YOU DIE, PEOPLE OF ISRAEL?" GOD WANTS THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL TO TURN FROM THEIR EVIL WAYS AND LIVE. GOD HASN'T PREDESTINED THE ISRAELITES BEFORE THE EXISTENCE OF TIME GOING TO HELL. GOD DOESN’T TAKE PLEASURE IN THE DEATH OF THE WICKED. THAT MEANS GOD DOESN’T PREDESTINE PEOPLE TO HELL FOR HIS OWN GLORY.
GOD BLESS YOU.
Doesn’t God draw everybody? Only some answer? John 12:32
“I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."
If everyone is drawn then everyone is saved. Is it the same drawn in John 6:44 that the Father draws and raises up on the last day? That is a question I ask you. There are many times within Holy Scripture that God elects or chose a few thus God only draws a few, blessings.
In context, He is speaking to the Jews, telling them He will draw all kinds (all nations, gentiles as well as Jews) of people
@Jesus is God What you're saying is not biblical.
John 6:37
37 All that the Father gives me WILL come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
If everyone is drawn by the Father, then everyone would come to Jesus and be saved. Otherwise you are calling Jesus a liar. He did not say "not everyone will accept the invitation". He said that ALL that the Father gives Him **WILL** (no if, ands or buts) come to Him.
John 6:44
44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day
So if God the Father draws everyone to Jesus, then ALL will be saved. You are classified as a universalist.
If draws everyone why are not all saved. You seem to leave out where Jesus said said, No on can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up on the last day. That's raising up for salvation. Are all people saved?? Of course not.
@@reformedcatholic457 Does the bible affirmed that non-believers will also be saved? Salvation is conditional on man having their faith in Christ (John 1:12-13, Eph1:13, John 3:16, Romans 10:17; John 20:31). All these verses placed believing (faith) as necessary for salvation. Nobody is saved by not believing in the gospel.
How about this verse Jesus affirmed after the cross; " (Joh 12:32) And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me". We are now living under the new covenant instituted by the blood of Jesus and He now draws us ALL (not the elect only)
to himself. In Joh6:44 which you quoted it was before the cross and God was drawing the Israelites and not the elect of the 20th century.
Your statement "God elects or chose a few thus God only draws a few" has a twofold errors. Firstly, no where stated in the bible that stated "God elects or chose a few" please quote to me that verse. Secondly, you stated "God only draws a few" which again is an error as Jesus and God are one and Jesus affirmed in John 12:32 He will draw ALL men to himself and not draws a few as you claimed which is contradictory to the bible.
There are TWO ways to think about things..
1. Godly
2. Manly
Which way do you think?
Strawman, God bless
Calvinism did not discover true doctrine and grace. Jesus is true doctrine and grace. Did Calvin have something Paul did not describe to us?
Calvinists hold to a founder, Lutherans holds to a founder, Methodists holds to a founder, Mormons holds to a founder, every denomination holds to a founder. Stop this, there is no Paulism, why should there be Calvinism or anything else.
To freedom Christ has freed us, into the Kingdom of His denomination and DOMINION.
@@christianmama2441 true, unfortunately Augustine is the catholic ghost that still haunt the protestant church. I don't care if Calvin was gifted, I care that he allowed Augustine to influence him. Augustine was not a church father according to Scripture, he was a cathilic church father and calvinsts turns a blind eye to this heresy.
Forget denominations, Christ follower under the dominion of Jesus is our denomination.
I'm not reformed, I'm born again transformed.
I hold to the church of the Apostles, not the church of Calvin 1600 years later.
@@christianmama2441 I once called Benny Hinn my favorite preacher, until I had to admit he was deceived. My brothers and sisters I know are everywhere, heaven only knows, but Augustine no.
Why? He said Rome was God's holy city, and he supported violence against those threatening the church of Rome.
Jerusalem in Zion is God's city.
If Augustine ignored God's Word regarding this easy subject, then I would not trust any of his interpretations of Scripture.
Augustine and Calvin is not a good benchmark, rather Paul, John, and Peter is our foundational heritage.
@@christianmama2441 understand me right, my brothers and sisters were killed largely during the catholic reign from 500-1500. Tens of millions killed, known as Sabbathical Christians because they honored the Sabbath and not Sunday. Traced their roots and traditions back to Jesus and His Apostles. Protestantism should go right back to the first church, instead too many protestants went left into their own denominations.
Calvin might have been used by God, but God did not create calvinism, Luther was used, but God did not create lutheranism.
Jesus said, your traditions will nullify the Word of God.
Most protestants never got the Sabbath(Saturday) and Sunday sorted out, it means some catholic leaven remained in their doctrines.
Not that it's a matter of salvation, but still a point to be made.
The paradox today millions of protestants unite with the catholic church. Among these are calvinist preachers like MacArthur, Piper, and Washer.
They preach against deception, but does the same themselves. Hypocrites I call them.
@@christianmama2441 only quick notion I have in that confession is holy catholic church. Yes, it means universal, but Jesus never meant for us to unite 1000 denominations.
The catholic church might confess Jesus, but they pray to Mary and the Apostles.
They create images and statues and they hold the Pope as their blasphemous leader.
Jesus said let no one deceive you.
Paul said after he was taken away ravenous wolves would split and tare the church apart.
Augustine did a good job nullifying sound doctrine that were held for 300 years before the catholic church came.
Jesus said, come out from her My people lest you partake in her judgment.
The catholic false ecumenical unity will lead the charge of a new world religion, just like there comes a new world order.
The Anti Christ and False Prophet will deceive even the elect if possible.
@@christianmama2441 yes, that I agree with and the unification in Christ according to the truth and sound doctrine.
Todd Friel sitting on his hypocritical pedestal I cannot regard as my brother.
MacArthur saying we should not give too much attention to the Blood of Jesus, I cannot regard either.
Piper among other things befriending Rick Warren, I cannot regard as my brother.
Hence I would pick a word with Jeff Durbin, because he wont separate his calvinist leaders.
Cowards, the whole bunch.
But come NAR movement they unite to criticise.
Jesus through Paul had to confront Peter.
If Durbin serves Jesus he should be man enough to do the same.
Personal favoritism is not good.
I would truly love to have a conversation with Pastor Jeff about this. I simply do not know how to reconcile calvinism with God also being perfect Love. However, I’ve found that calvinist preachers are usually some of the most solid in every other theological area. Maybe I am just missing something, but I have never truly had my gripes with Calvinist theology answered sufficiently. I want to though.
Calvinism makes sense within itself, but doesn't make sense when looking at God's character revealed in the Bible. Check out the videos on the Soteriology 101 channel, especially the "Five points that led me out of Calvinism" video.
@@peterfox7663 that's a great channel and podcast.
Arminianism is self centered view. Most of them believe you must love and forgive yourself. Pray for God to reveal this to you.
The Bible commands us to be selfless and give God all the glory.
@@ShepherdMinistry that sounds more like the canned Calvinistic response that is thrown up to mask a deep misunderstanding
First you have to understand the word love. We look at the passage that God is love and we apply our own prejudices onto the word love, and therefore onto the passage itself, and by proxy, God Himself. God’s character of perfect love is demonstrated through the fact that while we were yet sinners, God loved us. In other words, Pastor Jeff answered that question when he made the point that we ask the wrong question when exploring this aspect of the doctrines of grace. We want to know why God chooses to save some and not all. We apply our own presuppositions to this and make the determination that God in that capacity is being unfair, and therefore unloving, to those He chooses not to save. This is a misunderstanding of the word love, and God’s nature. The more appropriate question is how could God ever love any of us considering how rebellious we are toward Him. That is the demonstration of His love. The fact that He, in His perfect love, decided to save a remnant at all. We tend to view the lump that the Potter uses to make some some vessels for honorable use and some for common use as indifferent and neutral toward God. This is not the case. The lump is in face hostile toward God. It’s not as if God is taking neutral, basically good people and forcing them to rebel against Him. In fact the entire lump is already in active rebellion toward Him. But in his perfect love, He chose to take a portion of that lump and change the hearts of the vessels He has chosen for honorable use. He has made it possible for those vessels to be honorable at all. Salvation is not, and never has been about us. It has always been about God and His perfect love, grace, and mercy. We love to taut the definition of grace as unmerited favor, then bristle at the same definition. Unmerited simply means undeserving. No one deserves to be loved by God, and yet He still has chosen to love His elect. This in and of itself is evidence enough that God is in fact love.
LOVE REQUIRES A FREE WILL! THE REASON GOD CAN PREDESTINE YOU IS BECAUSE, BEING OUTSIDE OF TIME, AND BECAUSE OF HIS FOREKNOWLEDGE OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD ACCEPT HIS FREE GIFT OF SALVATION BEFORE YOU WERE CREATED, HE PREDESTINED YOUR LIFE! LOVE REQUIRES A FREE WILL!
Ik this was 2 years ago but if God created us, every aspect of us, knowing before time who would pick him, and he wouldn’t, he gave you your personality, then he knew at what point he would allow your heart to soften to bring you to repentance, it would still be Gods will over whatever little control you have over your will.
Romans 1, do you just not want to believe Gods Word or that you dont like it? Calvinists arent this way by choice. Its following the context of Scripture. We have an amount of free will but it never overrules Gods Will. God has a Law, We have the choice to follow. It says you will be given over to the desires of your heart. Can you stop God from doing that? No. So you essentially say your will is stronger than Gods. Do you believe in vessels of destruction? Romans 9 and Jude 1 clearly explain this.
@@chazrussell6391 Its following a mere interpretation of scripture. If Calvinism is accurate, God does not grant complete free will and accountability. it wasn't that the holocaust and hiroshima was an ultimate decision of the wicked and unjust, and god can turn this deed of the wicked and unjust into something good that glorifies him after the fact. No, he had a hand in the holocaust and hiroshima and it was not an ultimate decision of the wicked and unjust. He is loving but not all-loving in the pursuit of all victims of pain, just loving to those predestined. He is merciful but not all-merciful to the wicked and unjust: hitler or Gangis Khan, just merciful to those predestined. He is a respecter of those predestined and not of no persons. All unchosen/unelected were sealed for damnation before the foundation of the world exempt of any additional grace that those chosen/elected would get and thereby appointed to an unjust "accounting". Their perception of God satisfies the attributes of God being All-powerful, but not All-merciful, not All-loving, and not All-just.
Your interpretation of God is very acknowledging of His power, but to create someone and abstain them of God's redemptive grace is not a God who is lowly at heart or no respector of persons.
@@noahperez2786 your missing the part where you are given over to the desires of your heart. You have a will. It hates God. You act like we are born neutral and then we accept God or not. No. We are dead. And remain dead without Grace. All church doctrine acknowledges this. You can’t twist how faith is given for your argument. Only Adam had what you are talking about. That’s why he represented Christ. 2nd Adam or Son of Man. Adam does for his bride symbolism for what Christ eventually did for His bride. Not everyone. John 6, 10 and 11 all show His choosing, Eph 2, Romans 9. Without Grace no man chooses God. Once man sees God he can choose God. As fallen man how can you say it’s unjust? You are a creature. Created in His image but one who has rejected God in your nature. It sounds like you just reject Him.
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Faith is given? When is faith expressed as given in a Bible verse accept us putting our faith in Jesus?
"Only Adam had what you are talking about." - This is not explicitly stated in a verse within the Bible.
God gives us over after persistant effort to get us to turn to him. He knocks. He doesn't force you to open the door with "Unreleting Grace". Theres a choice with concequences. You forget that the Bible teaches your spirit is WILLING, but the flesh is weak, and to submitto God after he FIRST comes to you, not because of our works as we don't deserve it. We are called to submit to the Holy Spirit and put our faith in Jesus. Its not a force that ignores the will of the potential recipient, but He asks for submission.
Matthew 26:41 (NKJV): "Watch and pray, lest you enter into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak."
Philippians 2:12-13 (NKJV): "Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure."
James 4:7 (NKJV): "Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you."
Galatians 5:16 (NKJV): "I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh."
"Once man sees God he can chose God" - I'm not debating that and you've admittedly stated that we can freely choose once we come to the knowledge of Him and are exposed to the experiental power of the Holy Spirit/God.
Without God we our lost and subject to our sinful nature and the spiritual opposition, but when God first comes to us out of His love, and we submit to Him, then is the Holy Spirit able to work and sanctify us.
We are not saying we are responsible for our sanctification or salvation. Its in this order:
- God comes to us
- God gives us knowledge of him and tougs on our heart
- We submit
- We place our faith Jesus
- The Holy Spirit works in us
- We submit
- We place our faith in Jesus
- The Holy Spirit persists in working in us
Its a constant submission to God and allowing him rulership in our lives.
Our spirit WILLS and by his Spirit we are ABLE.
Adam didn't represent Christ, "in Adam all die, but through Christ all are made alive". It says it plainly here that the same ALL(humanity) Adam cursed is the "ALL" Jesus died for.
I'm not saying you're preaching a God who's loveless but a God who loves less.
Theres a recurring message throughout the Bible that all the world will be preached the Gospel, but narrow is the way to life and few are those that find it, and broad is the way to destruction and many are they that walk through it.
What's worse to say? God mostly got rejected by humanity, or God rejected most of humanity?
Which is more prevelent of all-loving? Which is an act of one who is lowly at heart? Who values love over even faith?
1 Corinthians 13:13
I'm not saying I'm completely right, or Calvinists are completely wrong. But one is negligent of God's true heart.
I love Apologia and I love Mike Winger, but man have they ever got me torn on Calvinism. Such great points on both sides. Thank you Lord that my salvation is not dependent on making a decision on this!
2 Peter 3:9, which says God is “not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” He does not say only those that have been elected.
Very good explanation on predestination and election. Thank you pastorJeff Durbin.
I thank him for showing how he teaches that Jesus was a liar. Jesus specifically says he was dying for all. Not just the elected.
@@jennief7114 yes, He died for all. Doesn’t mean all will come to Him. Really not that hard to grasp
Still breathing threats and murder against the deciples of the lord... then BAM! Saul got saved! Acts ch9
The unintended consequences of Calvinism in my own heart bred self-righteousness, being critical and judgmental and ultimately merciless. God constantly brought me back to verses about His mercy and love for the lost and I could not continue to pursue calvinism. The foundations of the history of Calvinism should be enough evidence of its flaws and ultimately its falling away from God's character.
HisGraces Saves Did you ever read John Calvin's book, the Institutes?
HisGraces Saves by what standard are you using when you say merciless ?
if calvinism led you to self righteousness then it wasnt calvinism my dude. There is nothing more humbling than understanding that you are just as deserving of hell as anyone else and are saved by Grace alone.
Being critical and judgemental is something any heathen does, not sure how you can immediately credit it to a random theology. Especially one that belittles man to the point of worthlessness before The Father.
Said so well. Thank you so much!
How is it self-righteous to believe that you are worthy of damnation but only saved from it by the undeserved mercy of God that you had nothing to do with? That's the opposite of self-righteousness
I really don’t understand why many have a problem with God being sovereign over all and all things inclusive of the redemption of men. I don’t understand why many can’t understand if God is not sovereign over the redemption of men none would be saved for the will of man is in bondage to his sin nature and thus none by an act of innate free will seek God.
My problem is that Calvinism teaches that God decrees everything that comes to pass. This means that God actively thought out and preplanned every single sin ever committed. God is actively molesting every child, raping every women, and murdering every person.
Nothing comes to pass outside of his decree. This is taught by the London Baptist Confession of Faith, Calvin, and Piper.
I blame man for evil but Calvinism blames God.
@@cloudx4541 people unfortunately have been and always will suffer. God knows that this life here on earth is so short its not even a speck. He knows that the suffering are going to never again shed a tear.
@@cloudx4541 I don't call myself a calvanist. But to address your comment, how does calvanism blame God for sin? To me, it simply shows that God is all knowing and always knows what sin that man will commit before it actually happens. He can already determine what will end up happening bcuz he knows the hearts of every person.
@@cloudx4541 Start in T. God does not ordain sin not does he make man sin
God hasn’t pre planned sin, he just KNOWS the sins that will take place. He’s not committing them. @@cloudx4541
If I don’t have free will, than I am not a Calvinist because I wasn’t predestined to be a Calvinist
God in His sovereignty gave man free will
Show me where the Bible says that
I'm not officially a Calvinist, but you cannot deny John chapter 6. Jesus says these things like 5 times. Furthermore, Jesus chose his own disciples, he didn't ask and see who came until he had 12, and by chance 1 of the 12 just happened to be a devil that would betray Him, just as He required. Additionally, Saul, didn't want Jesus, he was persecuting Christians, God chose him and as a result, he became Paul and wrote approximately 2/3 of the NT. I don't necessarily understand it, but it does appear God does the choosing. Even in the incarnation, Jesus did all of the choosing. I cannot deny that. I simply know that God is perfectly good and it's difficult to contemplate Him creating people from The womb for eternal torment in hell, without those people ever having a chance.
You don't have to call it calvinism but it is biblical.
" You don't have to call it calvinism but it is biblical."
Far from it. On calvinism, how can we intrinsically be responsible for our actions? For nothing we think or do is really up to us.
the problem is conflicting passages (like Luke 14:16-24, John 3:16, Romans 10:13, etc.) which states the opposite of what calvanist believe, and the Bible also has passages that supports the calvanist view. I think common sense is lacking from the calvanist perspective. If God only wants the elect in heaven, why does he want the kingdom full? Why did Jesus die for the world? Why is there a constant emphasis on people choosing to believe if we have no free will? Why do we go against our convictions and the Holy Spirit if we have no free will? Why did the focus shift from Jews to Gentiles (which represented EVERYONE outside of the "elect" which were the Jews (initially)? Seems like an answer that only God can solve...
FEELSonWHEELS if people reject his choice it is according to their free will not his
that is a lie. "Jesus" never chose Paul. in fact Jesus said to not believe Paul. Paul came on the scene 10 year after the messiah left and the messiah said to not believe him. None of the real 12 said he was an apostle. Of the 22 times he is called apostle 20 times was his self proclamation and 2 times from his discliple Luke. There is no reason to believe Paul was an apostle except to say he claimed to be one and Athanasius decided to flood the NT with his Pharisee doctrine
When I see this many lit anti Calvinist alls I know is *you’re doing preaching right!!*
God bless the work of these men.. Give them boldness to speak into the darkness and walk head on into the fiery darts of the enemy!! May their armor never rust, sword in hand and may their beards grow ever longer. 🙌🏽
Sweet Mullet, you claimed Calvinism preaching right. Please read this and evidently they are not preaching right as you claimed.
Most Calvinism self-professed claim that they are the "the sheep"(the elect) which Jesus came only to seek and to save as only their sins had been paid for on the cross. Let us see whether their claim aligned with the bible. Here I quote;
(Mat 10:5) These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
(Mat 10:6) But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. These verses stated in the 1st century, Jesus had send out his twelve and specifically commanded them "not" to go to the Gentiles and Samartans but only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Firstly, was Jesus seeking after the self-proclaimed "sheep" (the elect) of Gentiles origin , living in the 20th. century or the Jews, His lost sheep living in the 1st century? Secondly, are the Gentiles considered to be the house of Israel? You can now see the true absurdity of the Calvinist's claim to be the "sheep" (the elect) when they aren't. When you tell a lie, it always backfires. Thank you.
@Tan Ewelee
First off Calvinist don’t say they are the elect. That would be stupid.
They say God does have an elect.
He chooses them.
Why would Calvinists call anyone else of any denomination a brother? Calvinists have worked with other denominations and movements in order to spread the gospel as brothers.
"No man is able to come to Jesus unless the Father draws him." You have both the sovereignty of God and man's free will right there in that one sentence. God, in HIs sovereignty, provides the faith, God does the drawing, but God also in His sovereignty allows us to choose and no one whom God enables to hear and believe will choose death over life.
(Joh 6:44) No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
(Joh 5:40) And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
matt hayes, you must read the verse in its context to get its true meaning and it is similar to when you received a letter, do you just read the last half of the letter and leave out the first half of the letter.
verse 44 Jesus said" no man can come to Him" but verse 40 said "you will not come". So the Father won't draw anyone who rejects His Son. Certainty God is Sovereign and He can do anything He likes but He likes to do the right thing.
Forget labels, the doctrine of election is biblical; I don’t care if you call yourself a Calvinist or not.
madjack821 the doctrine of election is biblical and it is undeniable but Calvin's theory twisted its application by affirming God chose the elect for salvation and send the non-elect to eternal damnation. There is nowhere taught in the bible unless you can prove it to me with some bible verses as I can't find it.
Tan Ewelee God doesn’t send anyone to hell, they’re headed there already. The fact He saves anyone at shows His grace.
@@madjack821 God doesn’t show favoritism as the scriptures clearly teach:
Acts 10:34-35: Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right.
Matthew 22:16: And they sent their disciples to Him, along with the Herodians, saying, “Teacher, we know that You are truthful and teach the way of God in truth, and defer to no one; for You are not partial to any.
Mark 12:14: When they came they said to him, “Teacher, we know that you are truthful and do not court anyone’s favor, because you show no partiality but teach the way of God in accordance with the truth
Luke 20:21: Thus they asked him, “Teacher, we know that you speak and teach correctly, and show no partiality, but teach the way of God in accordance with the truth
Romans 2:8-11: But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.
Galatians 2:6: But from those who were of high reputation (what they were makes no difference to me; God shows no partiality)-well, those who were of reputation contributed nothing to me.
Ephesians 6:9: Masters, treat your slaves the same way, giving up the use of threats, because you know that both you and they have the same master in heaven, and there is no favoritism with Him.
1 Peter 1:17: And if you address as Father the one who impartially judges according to each one’s work, live out the time of your temporary residence here in reverence.
James 2:9: But if you favor some people over others, you are committing a sin. You are guilty of breaking the law.
(2Pe 2:1) But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
Agreed to your affirmation that all men are headed towards hell but Clavin's false teaching propagated that it was God who predestinated men to hell.
If your soteriological systematic paints God as partial then it’s not a biblical soteriology.
Tan Ewelee Exodus 33:19 states “And He said, “I Myself will make all My goodness pass before you, and will proclaim the name of the Lord before you; and I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show compassion on whom I will show compassion.”
This passage is quoted by the apostle Paul in Romans (9:15) who goes on to say in the following verse, “So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.”
Malachi 1:2-4 states ““I have loved you,” says the Lord. But you say, “How have You loved us?” “Was not Esau Jacob’s brother?” declares the Lord. “Yet I have loved Jacob; but I have hated Esau, and I have made his mountains a desolation and appointed his inheritance for the jackals of the wilderness.”
Again, in Romans 9, Paul quotes this verse in verse 13.
It isn’t so much about favoritism as it is about God’s mercy. All of mankind hates God from the womb. We are born spiritually dead (read Romans 1 for the list) thus guilty of breaking God’s law, subsequently condemning us to hell. It isn’t God sending us to hell, it’s ourselves. Those who God draws to His Son, Jesus, will be saved-John 6:44.
@@madjack821 how come you didn't respond to my latest reply to your queries? thanks
The L in limiting atonement is one of my major sticking points. You put up a strawman argument concerning those who disagree with you. We aren't saying that the efficacy is limited. We are also in disagreement with a God who "is not willing that any should perish" somehow limiting the number of people that are atoned for. Take a look at Hebrew sacrifices, specifically the rituals surrounding the scape goat, everyone who touches it is affected. Same thing with Moses and the bronze serpent in the desert - whoever looked to it was saved. Christs sacrifice was unlimited in scope and effectiveness just as the bronze serpent was unlimited in view of the Israelites in the desert.
How do you reconcile with Romans 9?
@@MarcanthonyTho I'm not sure I have the interest to debate a comment I made 3 years ago but I will at least answer your question. I don't read Romans 9 as supporting the kind of limited atonement Calvinists advocate for. The same God who said "I will have mercy on who I will have mercy on" also said in Revelation "Whosoever will may come" Again it's not different than the examples I gave in my original post 3 years ago. God had mercy on whoever looked at the bronze serpent, and he punished whoever did not. But it wasn't like the bronze serpent was only able to save a certain number of people, it wasn't limited. There is also no indication that God predestined who would look and who would not. The general call was and is still made to all.
I hope that answers your question. I wish you well.
I personally believe Dr James Dobson said it best God is sovereign but within God's sovereignty he has given us free will.
Glory To GOD!!!
No, we have a will to make choices, but we are not completely and totally free. We always choose according to our nature. We can choose God only after He has chosen us and given us the faith and repentance needed. When He does that, then we willingly and freely come running to Him. You didn’t find Jesus…He found you. He wasn’t lost, you were…
Thank you, Pastor Jeff! God bless you and yours, sir!
God sovereignly decreed that man should be free to exercise moral choice, and man from the beginning has fulfilled that decree by making his choice between good and evil. When he chooses to do evil, he does not thereby countervail the sovereign will of God but fulfills it, inasmuch as the eternal decree decided not which choice the man should make but that he should be free to make it. If in His absolute freedom God has willed to give man limited freedom, who is there to stay His hand or say, ‘What doest thou?’ Man’s will is free because God is sovereign. A God less than sovereign could not bestow moral freedom upon His creatures. He would be afraid to do so.”
A W Tozer
Please give a scripture for this notion, God giving libertarian free will as proof of His sovereignty
So God is responsible for sin? Unbiblical to the core.
Show me where, in the Bible, it says," the spiritual gifts ended." It doesn't. Calvinists are sadly limited by their faith or lack there of. How can you see spiritual gifts if you don't believe they exist? How can you know God if you don't believe he exists? How can you move mountains when you haven't the faith of a mustard seed? I have the gift of faith. I've seen the gift of healing with my own eyes I've heard the gift of tongues with my own ears. I've seen Jesus with my own eyes. I've seen prophecy come to be fulfilled in my own life. I agree with much john Calvin has taught but I cannot be considered reformed because I know Gifts are real. It's very sad to me to know that so many brothers and sisters are living thier new life without the spiritual gifts and therefore not fully representing Christ with thier faith and not knowing Jesus as intimately because of this lack. Like giving yourself to someone in holy matrimony but not believing the other has givin you thier whole heart but only part because the rest disappeared over time. Come to know Jesus fully without reserve by excepting spiritual gifts as they are, scriptural Truths. Again I beg anyone to show me where in the bible it is written "spiritual gifts will no longer exist for christians after the apostles" , or anything close.
What part of Calvinists saying "God is sovereign" is somehow not believing God even exists?
I just came out of mormonism, turned an atheist for like 10 months and recently became a christian and I find out about all this different doctrines within christianity, the thing is that I have never read the whole Bible in my life, so I can't really agree or disagree with what Jeff is saying.
However, I have a hard time understanding that God does not love all and that he pleases in that some of His creatures suffer in hell for eternity. I mean what about several scriptures I have read in the Bible like Ezekiel 33:11 says, “...'As I live,’ says the Lord God, ‘I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live..."
I'm confused but I hope that I come to an understanding of what is man-made phylosophy and what the Word of God truly treaches.
DanielMpld - I too came out of Mormonism 21 years ago. I would advise you to stay away from the teachings of Calvinism because it really does distort the teachings of God's Grace that is displayed throughout the Old and New Testament. But, more importantly what troubles me most is that it distorts the Sovereignty and character of God.
Please go back to Genesis and read how God after placing man in the garden commanded him " Of every tree in the garden you may [freely] eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of [good] and evil you shall not eat..." Adam could eat from any of one of the trees that he so desired but, from one in specific one he could not. Adam, chose to eat from the tree that God specifically commanded him not to. One thing that many Christians and even some theologians overlook is that the tree in the garden did not contain only the knowledge of "evil" but of "good." Hallelujah! The LORD had our back by making sure we had the counter act of [good] to combat [evil]. In Luke 11:9-13 the LORD acknowledges that even though we being evil know how to give a good gift speaks volumes that we are indeed capable of making a distinguish between a good gift and a bad gift. Remember Jesus said that before He died and rose from the dead, which after those things He left us His Holy Spirit to be our "Helper." I have found Calvinism to be another false religion that denies like Mormonism the deity of Jesus Christ and denies the Grace that covers all sin offered freely to all men. Anyhow, I have much more that I could show Biblically to support Grace, the work of the Holy Spirit, and scripture that support the free will that God has given to each one of us the ability to choose for ourselves good [JESUS] or evil [Satan]. Choose ye this day whom you will serve... Blessings!
DanielMpld
Praise the Lord! First of all, read Luke 15 right now and rejoice in the Lord!
As it comes to calvinism etc. This is a tough topic, I do think there are non-essentials to the faith which you probably should not divide over. If someone is a calvinist/armenian. Remember, most of all he is your brother in faith.
Everyone claims their view is correct regarding the non-essential things in faith. The non-essential doctrines include (imo) but are not restricted to:
- Speaking in tongues
- Predestination vs free will
- Different views of harmonizing the Old Testament commands with New Testament liberty
- Book of Revelation and any end time scenarios
When I say non-essential I don't mean that you shouldn't study these issues or vehemently even disagree with someone on the issues if you believe they are incorrect. What I mean is that you can have many different views regarding these things and still consider someone a brother in Christ.
What are then the essential teachings to Christianity which one should definitely divide over?
- Salvation by believing in the finished work of Jesus instead of salvation by trying to be found righteous through your own works
- The full deity of Jesus
- Adding extra books to the Bible
This is not meant to be an exhaustive list or even an authoritative one. Just some helpful guidelines for a new Christian. Praise be to our God!
So my question now is, what does God mean by "there must be a great falling away", if you can not turn from God because He is Sovereign and saves/has mercy on whom He wills?
They turn God into a monster. I hate that i even try to see things their way it literally destroys my mind trying to see things their way. The entire bible means something different that what it really means when you see things their way.
@user-kf8lk9cr9v Let us pray for them, in Jesus name amen
The semantic range of the word apostasia can allow for either type of departure: doctrinal or physical. The great falling away before Christ returns could be a reference to the wickedness of mankind or to the physical removal of believers before the day of the Lord.
However we read this text in 2 Thessalonians we should take into account what Paul has already written to the Church in Philipi. 1 Thessalonians 5 v 1-11 Paul has already clarified that this could not be speaking of believers losing thier faith.
Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need of anything to be written to you. For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night. While they are saying, “Peace and safety!” then destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains upon a woman who is pregnant, and they will never escape. But you, brothers, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief, for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of darkness; so then let us not sleep as others do, but let us be awake and sober. For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. But since we are of the day, let us be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet, the hope of salvation. For God has not appointed us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us, so that whether we are awake or asleep, we will live together with Him. Therefore, comfort one another and build up one another, just as you also are doing.
If you're referring to 2nd Thessalonians 2. The Greek word for falling away can be interpreted as apostate.
The end times will reveal the true church because the apostate church will fall.
All those who claim the name of Jesus Christ for what ever reason but are not His, will become obvious in the end. I hope that helped.
The parable of the sower.
Whoever believes in Calvinism, comment on this and tell me why. Why would God predestine certain people but not others? That means that some people have NO chance at eternal life. What's the point of living then? The Bible says WHOEVER believes in me shall not parish but have EVERLASTING LIFE. WHOEVER. not a select few.
Ashley Ingle 1 Peter 2:7-2:9
Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, "The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,"
and, "A stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall." They stumble because they disobey the message--which is also what they were destined for.
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.
Clearly some are destined to fall while other destined for glory and salvation....
Romans 9:22
What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath--prepared for destruction
He does this to make the riches of his glory shine even brighter on those to whom he shows mercy, who were prepared in advance for glory. 24And we are among those whom he selected, both from the Jews and from the Gentiles.
Ashley Ingle why do you believe in a loser god who fails in his will?
Ashley Ingle because the ones predestined for hell won't believe and the ones predestined for heaven will. Because the ones who are his he has put it in their heart to do so. He'll means destroyed forever. If u don't believe you are destroyed forever and all memory of your ever existing is wiped out. Erased from the book of life
Hello Happy Thoughts ,
1 Peter 2:7-9 = You are correct to say that some are destined to stumble, but you did not address why they stumble. This passage does not say merely they are destined to stumble; this passage says "they stumble bc they disobey the message."
Romans 9:22 = The grammar does not demand one to conclude God prepared the vessels for destruction beforehand. That conclusion is forced. It does not say *HE* prepared the vessels of wrath for destruction *BEFOREHAND* like it does in v.23. The only thing this text explicitly says God did with the vessels of wrath is that He "endured". Instead, they prepared themselves for destruction. See 2 Tim 2:20-21, Acts 13:46, 1 Peter 2:8 .
Please hear me...God speaks of nations Not individual people. The Rock=is Jesus but Israel rejected Jesus which caused them to stumble. Because of this God showed his wrath on Israel and gave them a spirit of slumber, and opened up the promise to the Gentiles as a Nation. Isn't the fact that an entire nation "RESISTED" Jesus as Messiah, proof that in fact, the choice IS up to YOU! God Punished them for doing so!
Potter=God
Flawed pot=Israel
New pot=Gentiles
Olive tree=Kingdom
Broken branches=Israel
Grafted in branches=Gentiles
God has the power to graft the Jews back in as long as they chose to BELIEVE that Jesus is Lord
You need to realize this...God wants everyone saved, here's how he's doing it
God's chosen people from the beginning=Israel
God's chosen people REJECT Jesus= God's disappointment in his people
What does God say to them, "Children I am so disappointed in you, I'm putting you in a time out for two thousand years...Now I'm going to go pour out all my Love and Gifts on to the Gentiles, they will listen!"
Why?...to provoke THEM to jealousy! It's all written in the scriptures...I'm not making this up! God is Brilliant!
I do believe that God does have a chosen people...for a PURPOSE not a DESTINATION!
I see comments like "Oh no, Jeff Durbin is a Calvinist" and people saying that they won't listen to him anymore. Some are even calling him a 'heretic.' Understand this, to make such rash statements because someone is a Calvinist (or Arminian) is a sign of spiritual immaturity. There is a very meaningful saying that is often mis-attributed to others but which comes from German Lutheran theologian of the early seventeenth century, Rupertus Meldenius
In Essentials Unity, In Non-Essentials Liberty, In All Things Charity
I am not a "Calvinist" per say, but I do believe in God's Sovereign Will in election because that's what I see in scripture. But I have discovered over the years some of my favorite preachers like Adrian Rogers and David Jeremiah are Arminians. The election issue is NOT an essential of the Christian faith and The Lord has used preachers that I did not agree with on all points of non-essentials many times in my life to speak to me. Just the other day The Lord used a man named Pastor Eric Hankins to speak the exact message I needed to hear at the time and then I found out he's Arminian. But guess what, he's still a Godly man with a heart for The Lord and his message was anointed by God.
Christians need to stop with the infighting over Non-essentials and 'mature in the faith.' Our main mandate is to win souls to The Lord by our loving conduct and speech for one another and for those outside the church and sharing the Gospel of salvation. I wonder how many Christians so caught up in issues like Election and Eschatology that they don't even think about sharing the Gospel with their lost family and neighbors.
Rolysantos, what he is teaching here IS heretical. Jesus Tasted death for every man. I beseech you to do some studying, you will find that God does have an elect people, but that there is NO PLACE IN THE BIBLE that teaches that the Elect are the ONLY people who have the opportunity of salvation. Don't believe that nonsense. Study it out for yourself. For God's sake, don't buy into the ignorance that Steven Anderson and Ben the Baptist (and their ilk) are spewing either.... One side of this fight is as sick and twisted as the other. Now you may ask, well if you're not on Durbin's side... and you're not on Anderson's side.... then whose side are you on???? Well.... allow me to tell you. I'm on YOUR side..... I'm on CHRIST'S side..... Im on the side of the gospel... and EVERY man who will believe on Jesus unto salvation. God bless, I hope you find the truth in all this ignorance.
rolysantos I'm not a Calvinist.. but I love Jeff and will still listen to him.. I've learned that on our journey we are all constantly learning and just bc I don't agree with his view of Calvinism that doesn't mean that he's wrong about everything he says..I still value what he has to offer.. I love what he does for abortion.. he's extremely intelligent but sometimes that can get in the way.. ❤️😊✝️🙏
Why WOULD we listen to him when he's proven that he's in error by embracing Calvinism? Im no respecter of men... I respect the word of God... Calvinists, (at least hyper-calvinists), claim that only people chosen by God can be saved. And that's simply not what the bible teaches. They take this line of thinking from the idea of "Election"... Now by saying that I'm not a Calvinist, many will say "well he doesn't believe in the concept of Election"... and thats not true either. I just dispute the definition Calvinists try to attach to the concept of "Election". To be "Elect" of God, simply means to be chosen by him, and God "Elects" or CHOOSES many different people for many different things. Some people are ELECTED by God when they are called to be evangelists, or pastors, or missionaries.... Others are ELECTED by God to do great works through the Holy spirit in the realms of Prophecy, or Healing, etc.... Others still are ELECTED by God to the position of intercessor, to intercede through prayer in peoples lives within the congregation... Then theres the Election of the 144,000 male, virgins of the 12 tribes of Israel who will stand on the mount of olives with Christ that we find in the book of Revelation. That's SEVERAL different forms of election practiced by God the Father throughout the bible. But NONE of that excludes anyone else from being a partaker in the salvation of Christ. In HEBREWS 2 : 9 Jesus tasted death for every man.... In 2ND CORINTHIANS 5 : 19 God was in Christ Reconciling THE WORLD unto himself... In John 3:16 He gave his only begotten son so that WHOSOEVER would believe on him should not perish but have everlasting life... and the references can go on and on and on... But what you WONT find is one verse anywhere that makes the statment that the elect and ONLY the elect are capable of being saved. I'm sorry.... It's just not there. Now you may be able to find a square verse or two that names election that you can try to force into a round hole... but it still doesn't belong there.
rolysantos I'm not a Calvinist or do I believe at all in Calvinism.. but your absolutely correct.. he's a Godly man.. and I agree with your comment..and I think he's intelligent and I love he saves babies from abortion.. I believe he's wrong about Calvinism but that doesn't mean he's wrong about everything he says and does... on my journey to get closer to God ... I've learned people can be 100 percent right about a lot of things but be 100 percent wrong on other things..he's a follower of Jesus and I believe as of now that he's not intentionally steering people wrong .. he believes what he's saying... I have not watched this video yet.. I've mainly seen his abortion and street preaching videos.. but I'm not going to stop listening to him bc I'm not a Calvinist ... if we stop listening to people bc they are not 100 percent correct on everything they say 100 percent of the time.. we would have to not listen to anything anyone says ever...we are always learning...growing.. being convicted ...people should not judge him so harshly.. he's a follower of Jesus and there's a lot of things in these people's lives that are saying they won't listen to him again that they are wrong about..😊✝️❤️🙏
@@Frankenberry the more I hear about predestination, the more I'm convinced that Satan is behind it. Imagine if God only pre-selected a chosen group of people, you are witnessing to someone as Jesus commands, and they respond to the message of the Gospel and desire to be saved... so they reach out to Jesus and are denied?? They don't receive the Holy Spirit?? Somehow they didn't qualify... for me personally, I view this is going directly against the teachings of Jesus
May all glory and honor be given to God Almighty!
Watch the RUclips video "Was Augustine the first to introduce "CALVINISM" into the Church?" with Dr. Ken Wilson on Leighton Flowers RUclips channel.
What is now known as "Calvinism" began as Augustine's attempt to explain how infants could become the "elect" through baptism. Since the infants had not come to faith, it must be based on the will of another. It could have nothing to do with the will of the child.
Does God command all men to "repent", and then He prevents some men from doing so?
Mat_3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat_4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mar_1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Mar_6:12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent.
Luk_13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Luk_13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Luk_16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Luk_17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
Luk_17:4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.
Act_2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act_3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Act_8:22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
Act_17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Act_26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
2Co_7:8 For though I made you sorry with a letter, I do not repent, though I did repent: for I perceive that the same epistle hath made you sorry, though it were but for a season.
Heb_7:21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:)
Rev_2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Rev_2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
Rev_2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
Rev_2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
Rev_3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
Rev_3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
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For Calvinism to be true God also had to predestined Adam and Even to eat the fruit! lol. Jesus tells the people: "Repent (even though i know most of you cant)."
This is looking at God and viewing him in a way that makes you feel comfortable. Didn't God choose everyone that shares a story in the Bible? Didn't God choose Abraham and his decendents? Didn't God choose Noah, Moses, Jonah, Job, Samuel, David, ect...
Did God know that Adam and Eve would fail but chose to create them anyways? And even if that was true would it really make God any less amazing? I don't think it would. God created us for HIM. For HIS glory. We have no right to question him.
Not can't, won't repent.
@@wretchedsaint9191 Calvinism makes God the author of sin in the end. Which is God is not and cannot be. They take chapters from the Bible and splice them together to get Tulip. Then it gets it to works based Salvation because of the Tulip theory which is of man. Calvinism loves to point the finger at NAR music for misleading people because they cant stand how easily people go to church and how they grow. There are many thing to say about NAR mega churches the music is what makes them the angriest. 6 times some Calvinist came into churches I was going to and tried to steal people away from the church. They got caught and the last two times I notified the Pastor something was not right. They dont go out soul winning to get people to go to their churches. My favorite thing about Calvinist is that they need to talk about works. The first two works in the Bible are to love God and your neighbor along going out and preaching the gospel. Going to church is not a work. Its part of discipleship. If you base your salvation on just being good person and not believing the Jesus Christ died on the cross and rose the 3rd day then you are not saved. There is no complication in scripture on this message. It is childlike faith.
@@buckiemohawk3643he actually addressed this argument. It starts at the 52:30 mark
Calvinism teaches that because God is sovereign, which i completely agree, he can go against his rules? Example. All scriptures point to God being love. No single evil in Him. But yet He wants people to go to hell?
I know where my faith lies. God bless.
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How come you called yourself a Christian? Your not a Christian your a Calvinist that is all you talk about.
When you have to defend a a religion like Calvinism, you know your in a Cult.
Christianity needs no defending it "IS TRUTH" .
TRUTH IN LOVW
Ezekiel 33:11 ESV - Say to them, As I live, declares the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live; turn back, turn back from your evil ways, for why will you die, O house of Israel?
You can reject him ,he is not rejecting you. You have free will.
In case Judas. He could have repented like Peter did. He chose not to. Thanks. Gerardo.
Who can know the things of the Lord? imo, "speculation" plays too big a role in this debate. No one can comprehend His ways (unless he reveals it in His word... which he may or may not in this case)
Mark 16 - - Jesus is talking "Go into all the world and preach the Good News to everyone. Anyone who refuses to believe will be condemned."
Now I may not be a theologian, but I don't see evidence for Calvinism in that verse. I also don't see any evidence against it.
@Bradley S. I think this most accurately encapsulates the paradoxical nature of our relationship to God through Christ. Jesus states in John 6:37 that he will have whomever the Father gives him, and yet there's always this narrative throughout the gospels that 'whoever believes' is saved. God saves whom He chooses, *and* He saves whoever believes. We both know by faith that this isn't a contradiction, whatever the relation of these two truths are.
When we say we know exactly what God has intended or planned, I think we puff ourselves up in arrogance. Because we don't know the whole picture in any aspect (except what He would have of us as followers of Christ), this all the more emphasizes our total dependence and submission to God. He's the one who has it all figured out. He's the one put everything in motion for salvation (whether He graced us with choice or not). He's the one that deserves all the glory.
In that, I find there is a beauty to His will.
In the 80s and 90s modernism really was supreme as a cultural norm, so was the arminian side of the reformed movement. So much so that calvenism was thought to be almost extinct. Now postmodernity rules with it's tribes and determinism but the church still doesn't see it's riding the cultural wave. Blind we are.
Try to find what is missing when you read Ephesians 1:3-5. "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will." What is missing? The missing word is "in Jesus Christ."
Unconditional election in Calvinism does not correspond with the words of the Bible. The Bible says, "He chose us in Jesus Christ before the foundation of the world." God chose all mankind in Christ to be born again of water and the Spirit. Those who cannot help but be born sinners can be redeemed of sin and become His children. He included all mankind in the list of those to be saved and elected them in Jesus Christ.
Because many theologians who insist on unconditional election say that only some are chosen, many people are trapped in the chaos of irrational doctrine. These false theologians say that God chooses some and discards the others through unconditional election, while the truth of His word is that God chose all sinners in Jesus. Many people fall victim to untrue doctrine owing to their superstitious beliefs. But if we recognize that God decided to save all mankind in Jesus and that the remission of sin applies to everyone who believes in Jesus, we can be saved from all our sins, become children of God, become righteous men, have everlasting life, and have confidence that God is Just.
God predestined all mankind for salvation through His Son, Jesus, and intended to make us His children even before He created the world. He planned to save mankind from all the sins of the world through the redemption of Jesus Christ. This is the truth as it is written in the Bible. And the righteous who are reborn in Christ are the chosen once.In Ephesians 1:5, Paul isn't writing to lost people, he's writing to saved people, this passage isn't dealing with lost people being predestinated to be converted, its dealing with saved people being predestinated to the redemption of the body, their inheritence
You are teaching the heresy of universalism.
No he is not teaching universalism. He quoted scripture... those “in Christ”
Glory To GOD!!!
someone show me where it says to be calvinistic in the bible?
NOWHERE MY FRIEND. GOD BLESS YOU.
Fakealonians 2:17
literally this video just referended multiple verses pointing towards the concept of the elect and preserverance of the saints. The bible isnt going to come straight out and use a word that was named off a man who lived thousands of years after the completion of the bible but luckily the bible😂
@@johndang887 The Bible "God's Word" Tells us all we need to know. The way you insist calling yourself a Calvinist denominating yourself and saying the Bible doesn't depict a mans name. has nothing to do with what i ask i want to know where the fruits of the Calvinist apply as being Christian do they align and if so ill be here for you share with me.
If you mean where does scripture teach about the sovereignty of God in salvation...... To many places to quote.
If you mean where does it say to follow John Calvin... Nowhere.
But if you believe in the authority of scripture over all opinion...... You will come to believe a lot of the things John Calvin did.
After all at that point we're just agreeing with what scripture clearly says.
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.
@@christianmama2441 what scripture states that jesus christ died for the elect only?
@@christianmama2441 that doesn't prove anything. Christ died for everyone. 1 John 2:2
@@christianmama2441 then explain John 3:16.
@@Evilmm2world yeah..I agree..Jesus died for all not only for the elect.God gave men their freewill,.God would never, ever force someone to accept His offer of salvation..I don't agree Ptr Jeff that GOD Is not just like what you said..GOd is a god of Grace but also a just God..
Around the 37 minute mark Jeff makes an argument that it makes more sense for Calvinists to pray for the lost but if God has already hand picked who is saved than what are you doing by praying for your neighbors salvation or your kids salvation. Is it to change God's mind? He decided already before the foundation of the world and so it makes no sense to pray for the lost that God would save them. They either are saved or not and you can't change Gods mind now by praying for it. Surely Jeff has thought about this, no? And if so why make the argument and keep it shallow when looking at it from the Calvinists perspective. if you are going to make this argument then you will need to go deeper and once you do, you will see that it really does not make sense. From my perspective, I pray God would you please draw my neighbors to you father, use me as a tool to open their eyes, holy spirit convict them of their sin... God still does the saving not man. Im not saying I'm right but that is what seems to make sense.
@ Z Bobovcan
"Around the 37 minute mark Jeff makes an argument that it makes more sense for Calvinists to pray for the lost but if God has already hand picked who is saved than what are you doing by praying for your neighbors salvation or your kids salvation."
Why is this so complicated? God knows whom he will save. But we do not! So, we pray!
Yesica1993 Why do we need to know?
Exactly. Calvinists loose on this every time. But the main point is they are calling Christ a liar. Christ said he died for all. Not just for the elected. Very simple.
@@jennief7114 He did? Where? That's not what John 17 says to us.
@@christusomnipotens3751 Jesus's own words, I am the bread of life, whoever believes in me shall have eternal life... Whoever, not some, not a Chosen Few, whoever... but if you believe God will only save a Chosen Few, what makes you think you're going to be among them?
2 Peter 3:9, KJV: "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
A lot of the bible seems and appears unfair BUT God is Sovereign! Look at the wages that were paid to the labourers in Matthew 1-16. I myself thought how unfair is that! A guy works all day and gets the same pay as a guy who works one hour! But what an amazing awesome lesson when I finally got it! God can do whatever He likes! It doesn’t have to seem fair to me or anyone else! I’m not on the same page with Calvinism though. I would rather believe that God foreknew who would accept Him and who wouldn’t!
One of the best sermons I have ever heard. This clarified so many of my questions with Calvinism. It all makes sense now and thank you so much pastor Jeff for you knowledge and understanding of scripture and also your perfect way of explaining it!
Calvinism is a WICKED & UNSCRIPTURAL doctrine!
sitown0331
HOW DOES IT GLORIFY GOD TO PREDESTINE PEOPLE TO HELL.
GOD DOESN'T PREDESTINE ANYBODY TO HELL, WE ALL HAVE FREE WILL AND ARE ABLE TO DECIDE WHAT ROUTE WE WANT TO TAKE. DO YOU FOLLOW JOHN CALVIN, PASTOR JEFF...OR JESUS CHRIST?
YOU FOLLOW THE SINISTER SECT OF JOHN CALVIN. JOHN CALVIN WHO WAS A COLD BLOODED MURDERER USED TO TORTURE AND BURN PEOPLE ALIVE SAVAGELY FOR NOT AGREEING WITH HIS THEOLOGY HTTP://WWW.REENACTINGTHEWAY.COM/BLOG/JOHN-CALVIN-HAD-PEOPLE-KILLED-AND-BAD-BIBLE-INTERPRETATION-JUSTIFIED-IT. MR. CALVIN DOES INDEED LEAVE CALVINISTS WITH A REAL BAD REPUTATION.
God bless you.
JOHN 3:16-18
sitown0331, Calvinism makes complete sense as far as Scripture goes and anyone against this is more than welcome to question this.
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How would you like God to send everyone to hell? because we all deserve to go to hell, but if God decides to have mercy on some, this does not make God unfair either, God is glorifies also, by sending sinners to hell, would it be unjust if he does not send them to hell , ...a child rapist for example, if God were to forgive him. would be unfair unjust. because God is a just judge he needs to punished sin ... And those who saves bring glory to God also...God decide to have mercy on them, although they do not deserve it, God grants them salvation by giving them faith in the work of Christ Ephesians 2: 8 Rom 9 : 15 I will have mercy on whoever I want to have it ”so in those who save God receives glory and praise; even though they did not deserve it; and that is why God is glorified in people who do not deserve heaven, they deserved hell..and is glorified on those he send to hell, because they deserve it...God does not in obligation to save everybody, like I said all deserve hell...but I believe God is very mercifully, although the Gospel is preach to all, only the ones whom god open their eye will be given a new life in Jesus...but God is always the one who initiate the saving, not men
@@jessejimenez1793 I am going to try to make amends, thus avoiding floccinaucinihilipilification. I will elucidate my point so clear in a very facilitating way. My message won't be vague tut-tutting bewildering to understand (Headstart/Kindergarten level)!!! What I find mindboggling is that the Early Christian Church held to NONE of the five points of Calvinism, not one. You Jesse deserve to go to hell, but my God doesn’t want anyone to go there. The Holy Bible and Tradition makes it crystal clear that a child is born sinless and pure because only Adam is guilty of his sin and we do not inherit his sin or guilt but only the consequences of his sin which is mortality and death. Ephesians 1-2, Romans 8-9 and John 6:44 are some of the most famous Calvinist verses that teach unconditional election. God’s foreknowledge not predestination says to us that not every single human being will accept God’s Free Gift of Salvation Matthew 7:13-14. It would be an honor, privilege and pleasure answering all your questions regarding the TULIP doctrine. I will of Course be using Plenty of Holy Scripture. Not my subjective opinions. You ask me 1 question and then I ask you 1 question. I don't mean to toot my horn, but God has given me the knowledge to clearly understand very complex issues when it comes to the erroneous doctrine of reformed theology known as Calvinism. My ulterior motive is basically being fervent in spirit with a zeal of burning desire to please God by spreading His True Gospel. My didactic teachings demand an unconditional obedience to defend the True Holy Word of my God, Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. God bless you.
The bible is so straightforward and clear. ALL have turned aside all are born rebels and all have dead deceitful inner beings.
Yet only HE can unblind any of us. Many are called few are chosen, and without Him, none would be left, all would be wiped out Isaiah 1
We can’t harmonize everything scripture says but only trust in GOD.. JESUS!!
GOD is a GOD of WRATH and GOD of LOVE.
Try not to harmonize that.
Amen!
Jeff,
Please define:
- Elect
- Predestined
- Sovereign
Please.
I'm not an articulate person, so I'm not about to go into all of my objections; but I will say this was a really frustrating sermon lol
1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
David K Dyer exactly - ALL men 😊
God's Child well I guess Jesus failed. There’s a lot of people going to Hell. On top of that I guess God is unjust, if there are people going to Hell that Christ already took the punishment for.
1 Tim. 4:10 is a verse that has had many interpretations. Here are the main three:
(1) The Universalist Interpretation - "God is the Savior of all men" means that all who have ever lived will be saved. This of course is contrary to all sound doctrine. If this was true, the rest of the verse would have no meaning whatsoever when it says "especially of those who believe."
(2) The Arminian Interpretation - God wants to save everyone but His desire is many times thwarted by the obsinate free will of man. God is able to save all men, but though all can be saved, only believers actually are. Certainly this is a popular view, but we must be clear that this is not what the text says. It does not say God wants to save, but that He actually saves: He is actually the Savior (in some sense) of all men.
(3) The Reformed Interpretation - God is the Savior of all men (in one sense) and especially of those who believe (in another sense). Let me be quick to say that this is not the only way reformed people have understood this verse, but I do believe this is the correct interpretation.
As we study the terms "salvation" and "Savior" we find many nuances - many different ways - God saves. The most important aspect of salvation is to be "saved" from the wrath of God (Romans 5:6-9; 1 Thess. 1:10), but salvation also includes the idea of rescue from enemy attack (Psalm 18:3); preservation (Matt. 8:25); physical healing (Matt. 9:22; James 5:15), etc. God "saved" not only Paul's life but everyone else on board ship with him in Acts 27:22, 31, 44. There are numerous ways that "salvation" takes place, but that's a complete Bible study all in itself.
When we study the word Savior (Greek: soter) in the LXX version (Greek translation of the Old Testament), we see the word used in a way that is far less grandiose than that which we generally think of the word. One example is Judge Othniel, who is called a Soter (Savior) or deliverer because he delivered the children of Israel from the hands of the king of Mesopotamia (Jud. 3:9). 2 Kings 13:5 talks of God giving Israel a "Savior" so that they were delivered from the hands of the Syrians. The judges of Israel were "saviors" as Nehemiah 9:27 states, "in the time of their suffering they cried out to you and you heard them from heaven, and according to your great mercies you gave them saviors who saved them from the hand of their enemies." (see also Psalm 36:6)
A great deal more could be said to substantiate this idea of a savior, but I think the above would make the point. God provides food (Psalm 104:27, 28), sunlight and rainfall (Matt. 5:45), as well as life and breath and all things (Acts 17:25), for "in Him we live and move and have our being" (Acts 17:28). God preserves, delivers and supplies the needs of all who live in this world, and it is in this sense that He extends grace to them, saving them from destruction every day they live.
God is also gracious in allowing many to hear the proclamation of the Gospel.
All of these mercies are refered to as "common grace." It is common only in the sense that every living person gets it. This grace should actually amaze us because God is under no obligation whatsoever to give it to anyone. It can never be demanded. God sustains the lives of His sworn enemies, often for many decades! However, as wonderful as it is, it is only a temporal grace because all unregenerate people eventually die and will face the judgment (Heb. 9:27).
It seems then that 1 Timothy 4:10 teaches that we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior (Soter - preserver, sustainer, deliverer) of all people (showing mercy to all, each and every day they live), especially of those who believe (who receive full salvation from His wrath and everlasting life).
The interpretation belongs to God!
Repent!
“I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:”- Deuteronomy chapter 30 verse 19.
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@@Kman. too many others with a more eloquent way of explaining than my own. I dont claim those to be my own words. Just thought it was helpful to the discussion.
So through Adam, all have sinned, but through Christ's intercessory death, reconciliation is only open select few?
This is the glory of our Lord , right here the true word of God. Thankful to our Lord for giving eyes and ears to all the men like Jeff , who only preach the true word of God. For those who twist the word , who take away from the word , who add to His Holy word , who leave out context for a different meaning. I pray for those who are pull into the many false churches that they do a Matthew 7:7-8 "Ask ,and it will be given you ; seek, and you will find ; knock, and it will be open to you.
(8) For everyone who ask receives , and he who seeks finds , and to him who knocks it will be open.
Thanks pastor Jeff for this great & true msg to the reformers & the non-reformers!!
CMay the Lord continues use you & bless you, your family & your congregation🤲!
Such an eloquent and articulate explanation of Gods sovereignty and grace!
Watch the following RUclips video on Leighton Flowers channel, to see why Augustine invented Calvinism.
"Was Augustine the first to introduce "CALVINISM" into the Church?"
Augustine was attempting to explain how infants could become the "elect" through baptism. Since they had not come to faith, it must be based on the will of another. It could have nothing to do with the will of the child.
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@@tricord2939 Read the book "The Foundation of Augustinian-Calvinism" by Ken Wilson, if you want to understand why Augustine invented the doctrine to explain infant baptism.
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One thing to make straight and to note is that we are saved by Grace and due to grace a lone. We can not deserve salvation by our selves. It is only through Jesus Christ that we are worthy, but the bible clearly teaches that one can reject and loose salvation later on at any point that one chooses to by their own decision making and actions. You get it for free and can keep it as long as you choose/want it. Hebrews 10:28-31
I dont think thats the Biblical position. No one will be plucked from His Hand. You may have some backsliding but you will never be lost again. This sounds like the Dominion Gospel
Calvinist should spend their energy sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ rather than trying to convert and make disciples of Calvin.
I’m guessing this is the only video you’ve seen from Apologia. I’ve watched hours and hours of their videos and sermons, and at the age of 48, I’ve heard more of the gospel in these past few weeks than I have in my entire churched life prior to finding Apologia.
@@KristiLinauer yeah? What is the gospel?
@@Nick-Kcin 1:09:11. Compare with Colossians 1 and Ephesians 1 and 2.
Take a read at the comment section across all of Apoliga videos. You will see countless testimonies of people coming to Christ through the ministry of this channel. I would wager you haven't spread the gospel to not even 5% of the people these guys have.
@@caleb4015 Your wager is grossly incorrect.
It's absolutely amazing that if you say God chooses his people and that's what the bible teaches people lose there minds. People just can't handle that there's a God that rules over them.
@Grace Marie what is the evil teaching you are talking about I'm just trying to learn thanks in advance
God chose his people... Israel.... Thats not got anything to do with salvation. The bible teaches that anyone who believes on Jesus will be saved. Now, we can argue about what it means to "Believe" on Jesus. But what you can't do, is show me one passage in the bible that says ONLY the elect can be saved. God made a way for every man, we have to find that narrow path and gate. Jesus tasted death for every man.... one can twist that and try to Re-translate his way out of that... but that's the biblical truth.... He tasted death for every man.... otherwise... Why doesn't it say Jesus tasted death for the elect? Because that would be a lie.... that's why.
You are mistaken if you believe anti-Calvin views means that we don't believe God rules over us. God CHOSE to give us free will. It is psychotic to believe God created first man and set him on a course of sin.
@@Frankenberry Amen!!
God Rules, however, thankfully Christ died for all. If you believe otherwise then you have now called Christ a liar.
Calvinism is not Christianity - we don't follow Calvin, but Christ. The vulture/rabbit story is actually a perfect explanation. In your example - God in his sovereignty changes the nature of the vulture into that of a rabbit, the rabbit still has the same choice that he did as a vulture. It is still his choice his free will, but because God changed his nature, he isn't going to choose the meat anymore.
Precisely the point! Those who believe are changed!
So you believe in a movement started by a man called Calvin. I believe in a movement started by a man called Jesus. I have the KJB ( God's Holy Word in English today, for an English speaking world ) and I lean not unto mine own understanding, but I have the Holy Spirit to help me understand God's words.
Calvin didn't start Calvinism.
I think I considered deep inside myself for the very longest time - 'has God set me aside'? I didn't think, 'for Himself'. I just wondered for the longest time, ever, in my thoughts, have I been set aside for Him? It happened while I was sitting at my computer one night, watching sermons, looking at Facebook, watching scrapbooking videos, in other words, doing anything I could to distract my mind from looking at the troubles surrounding me and trying extremely hard to not allow myself to 'think' that God in His Sovereignty, is allowing the shit in my life because I am His and His alone. And then that thought hit my mind, like a Rock to my head. Just before that 'thought' entered my head, I had thrown my mental cards in the air and said to the Lord, 'why don't I get to have/do/experience the joys that all these people do'? And all I 'heard' was, you are Mine! And I am going to be ruthlessly honest here - I was not full of joy. Not at all, at all, at all, at all. I immediately knew what that meant. If I am His, then nothing I can do will change that. If I am His, then I will never be able to live comfortably in the world in which I reside. If I am His, my will is irrelevant.
My thoughts went deeper than that for the longest time. I had never heard of Calvinism then. But when I did, it just made sense. I don't think 'Calvinism' is necessary in it's title to name the thing.. but if it in some way shows the Lords Sovereignty, in ALL things... then so be it.
You get it. I believe "it" comes through revelation of Himself and what sovereignty truly means. Modern western thought has indoctrinated people with free will, however the kingdom of God is not a democratic republic, but a monarchy with a King. King Jesus!
@@toddcote4904 I do get it, but I am honest enough to say that I do not fully understand at all. I despair a lot. I do. But I desire to always proclaim. I am His. I am His. I am His. And whose better to be, than His. xxx
@@melodykeogh
What do you despair about?
My wife’s brother-in-law is an elder in the PCA. He anathematized both me and my family for not believing that God “meticulously predestinates everything that has or will ever happen for His own good pleasure and glory.” It turns out that he was cheating on his wife with multiple women the whole time he was condemning me. It must be then that God found pleasure in his wife saying, “Sayonara you creep.”
If Calvinism was true...then there would be no need for a Adversary.
Yeah thats what I was thinking
What is the point of evangelism? Your refutation by turning it back on us doesnt answer the question.
If what you say is true, then if God calls them, why do we need to go tell them?
Look, God tells me to do something, I do it. I get that. We're not talking about who is obeying God or Christ more. It is an honest question. What is the function of preaching if God calls whom he calls? Paul asks how could a man accept the Gospel if he doesn't hear. Following this same logic, is that not somehow a limitation on God? Granted, I don't think that is the case. We are His tools.
Every rule that God has given us as far as I am aware has clear reasoning behind it. I just want to understand the reasoning behind this, if possible.
@@christianmama2441 ok, but we are just a means. God does not need us to preach the Gospel so that He can THEN call someone so they can be saved, right? If He doesnt need us, then again, I ask, what is the purpose?
@@christianmama2441 we are told to test all things. How can I do that without logic?
christianmama You cannot preach the Gospel to everyone if the Gospel is not FOR everyone.
If you did you’d be preaching a lie.
Gospel means “Good News”
You can’t preach the Good news of Christ’s death, burial and resurrection to everyone if it’s not FOR everyone.
It’s not Good News to people who in the reformed view are predestined to hell.
That’s the opposite of the Gospel.
That’s the opposite of Good News.
Great explanation of John 3:16.👏
John 17 : 5 " Father, glorify me in Your own presence with the glory which I had with you before the world began."
John 17:9 Jesus said I pray not for the 🌎 world, BUT FOR THOSE THAT YOU HAVE SENT ME, THAT THEY MAY BE ONE AS WE ARE.
@@Vote4Trump2MAGA Right there is the extreme folly of those enamoured and taken by the Trinity " Those you sent me " God sends Himself His own children to save!!! Are they all to be Gods if Jesus is God which is preposterous and denied many, many times in Jesus's Bible. One means as always with the kingdom of Heaven in a spiritual sense to be on the same page thinking wise no arguments, complete and utter peaceful agreement, now that would be nice. The Bible says God is not approachable and not understandable so if Jesus is God we are LOST utterly we cant approach him and understand him. !!!!!!
Pastor Jeff, my heart rejoices when I consider the glorious things God is doing with Apologia, specifically with respect to ending abortion. Also, you have helped me a lot in pointing out the flaws in most atheistic arguments and for that God bless you. But I must say, I disagree with your stance on this one.
If I am not mistaken what you are advocating for is that even though God can save everyone if He wanted to, He does not do that. My number one problem with this is that I thought God's will is that every man comes to the saving knowledge of Christ (1 Timothy 2:4). If God has the power to do that, then why does He choose not to do so?
Also, if I am to take God's sovereignty as it has been described by most reformed individuals (It basically boils down to God is the direct cause of everything), then God's judgement wouldn't make any sense. For example God causes someone to sin and He punishes the person for what He caused him to do. To me that is very inconsistent.
I'd really like to hear your responses. Thank you.
MY LORD BLESS YOU MY BROTHER.
@The Bibliognost
THE BIBLE MAKES IT VERY CLEAR THAT GOD DIED FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD 1 JOHN 2:2. GOD HAS GIVEN MANKIND THE FREEWILL TO CHOOSE OR REJECT HIS FREE GIFT OF SALVATION. IF WE READ MATTHEW 7:13-14 "13 “ENTER THROUGH THE NARROW GATE. FOR WIDE IS THE GATE AND BROAD IS THE ROAD THAT LEADS TO DESTRUCTION, AND MANY ENTER THROUGH IT. 14 BUT SMALL IS THE GATE AND NARROW THE ROAD THAT LEADS TO LIFE, AND ONLY A FEW FIND IT." GOD ALREADY KNOWS THE DECISIONS I'VE CHOSEN (FREEWILL) AND WHERE I'M GOING WHEN I DIE (HEAVEN OR HELL.) I LOVE THIS VERSE FROM MY HOLY GOD. EZEKIEL 33:11 "SAY TO THEM, ‘AS SURELY AS I LIVE, DECLARES THE SOVEREIGN LORD, I TAKE NO PLEASURE IN THE DEATH OF THE WICKED, BUT RATHER THAT THEY TURN FROM THEIR WAYS AND LIVE. TURN! TURN FROM YOUR EVIL WAYS! WHY WILL YOU DIE, PEOPLE OF ISRAEL?" GOD WANTS THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL TO TURN FROM THEIR EVIL WAYS AND LIVE. GOD HASN'T PREDESTINED THE ISRAELITES BEFORE TIME OF GOING HELL. GOD BLESS YOU.
**Sovereignty does NOT mean determinism, it means GOD IS IN CONTROL and His ability to do whatever He wants.
Sovereignty is translated from “LORD, LORD” and is not even found once in the KJV!
(It’s only found in the ESV 3 times).
Reformers wrongly define the concept of divine sovereignty as meaning “meticulous deterministic control over ever thing, including the evil intentions of creatures.”
The scriptures simply never teach this concept.
Instead, divine sovereignty is reflected as God’s ability to do whatever He is pleased to do (Ps. 115:3)
even if that may include giving the world over to creature’s free dominion (Ps. 115:16).
The Bible teaches both God’s sovereignty and man’s free will. Why not just accept that tension as a mystery instead of calling yourself a Calvinist and coming down on the side of God being completely sovereign? Scripture clearly teaches both.
FYI, that's exactly what "Calvinists" teach. Checkout what they write in their own confessions. For example Westminster Confession Chapter 3 section 1:
God from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass; yet so, as thereby neither is God the author of sin, _nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures;_ nor is the _liberty_ or contingency of second causes taken away, _but rather established._
Scripture teaches both, so Calvinists confess both.
@@oracleoftroythat’s circular reasoning, Calvin or confession says it’s true so it’s true? God is the author of sin in Calvinism and sin still happens, explain how
Calvinists never look at the rest of the book of John. If they did, they would read in John 12:32 ‘But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL men to myself.’
Mark 16:15 And then he told them, “Go into all the world and preach the Good News to everyone.
Mark 16:16 Anyone who believes and is baptized will be saved. But anyone who refuses to believe will be condemned.
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If God is completely sovereign and in all things and through all things, who can deny his will? Why would God allow people to not believe in him? Is eternal suffering better than God saving people? He’s pursued and followed his elect. Did he pursue and follow the damned as well?
I do like Jeff but I believe he misinterpreted John 3:16. I have never heard of Calvin or Arminius until a few years ago. The one thing that seems to stand out to me is that Calvinist are firm and proud in their Calvinism. Calvinist also take joy in belittling non-Calvinists. Personally, I do not follow Calvin, Arminius, Paul, nor Apollos. I follow Christ. While I do understand that we learn our theology from different teachers such as Calvin and the others but a Calvinist seems to elevate Calvin to a place not even Calvin would want.
Michael Miller most genuine Calvinists I know simply use the name to identify and make clear which doctrines they believe so as to be able to communicate quickly without going through every point. Not that they agree with every single thing Brother J. Calvin did.
As Charles Spurgeon put it, “I did not learn Calvinism from Calvin but from Christ in his Word.”
@@ConvictionsandCompassion
THE REFORMED DOCTRINE OF ORIGINAL SIN, WHICH USUALLY INCLUDES IMPUTED GUILT, ESSENTIALLY MEANS THAT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN INNOCENT CHILD IN THE EYES OF GOD. ALL INFANTS ARE GUILTY AND CORRUPT BEFORE GOD, AT CONCEPTION, BECAUSE OF ORIGINAL SIN. THIS IS WHAT CHARLES SPURGEON AND B.B. WARFIELD THINK. DO YOU AGREE? GOD BLESS YOU
Yes, exactly!
Thank you!
"9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him" Hebrews 5:9
"34 Then Peter opened his mouth and said: “In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. 35 But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him." Acts 10:34-35
"3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth." 1 Timothy 2:3-4
"9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." 2 Peter 3:9
Jadon Bouma predestined is determined by the Word of God doing what it says it will do. It is blasphemy to suggest it doesn’t. Jesus came to save sinners from their sins. The gospel is only hid to those that do not believe. 3] But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: [4] In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
I would not want to join forces with devil and make the cross of Jesus of no effect. It is very simple but men that think they are knowledgeable try to distort the truth. God searches the hearts for faith and sends those with faith to Jesus. There is not many of high degree that is chosen to minister. There is a reason, pride in mans intellect. I dont care if it is John Calvin, buddha, joseph smith, it is all men that were not chose to bind the Word of God in heaven and earth. Those that were chosen are recorded in the new testament. You don’t need that any man teach you, but the Holy Spirit will lead you to all truth.
Let every man be a liar and God be the truth. We are predestined according to obeying the gospel of Jesus Christ which is to repent and be baptized( immersed) in His name by believing in Jesus. Many complicate this and get into the wisdom of men rather than the power of the Holy Spirit which is according to the truth of the Word of God.
Glory To GOD!!!
I’d never wear a label for my faith that contains the name of any human, other than Christ.
Truth preached here. 🙏🏼
True deception
@@apilkeyread your bible
@@funsauce1239 I have read my Bible, which is precisely why I can confidently state that truth was not preached here, but rather deception
Not commanded to love God. He loved us first , so we love Him.
According to Jesus, THE greatest commandment is to Love God with all our heart, mind, and strength.
Jeff is so right on. He is a straight shooter, pure bible talk.
I love your work Pastor Jeff Durbin! Thanks for spreading the gospel. One thing I'd like to share with you is that at 27ish minutes in you brought up sola scriptura vs traditions. I'm Anglican (belong to a evangelical church). We have traditions, but our main one is sola scriptura! (Of course we do have some internal tensions and they are being worked out. God wins in the end).
I’m praying for this teachers hardened heart and to stop accepting all the contradictions in Calvinism by calling them mysteries. He loves the Lord. Just off course because of who his teachers are. Praying!
If God predestined people to be saved, then what is the point of sacrificially sending Jesus to the cross? Since from the beginning of the world God already knows who will be saved and who will be condemned, sending Jesus would have no effect on God's decision anyway- because He never changes (His mind). If you say, so that He would completely understand how it is being human, emotions, pain and all, then it would mean He is not Almighty in the sense that He is limited in HIs knowledge and understanding. Can someone clarify this for me?
@Johan Strydom - How can God withhold grace and Christ’s atonement from some of His creatures and then condemn them to the Lake of Fire for all eternity for not accepting what was never offered to them?
I wish I could debate Jeff Durbin on Calvinism
Thank you Jeff for reminding us all of the simple truths that are often lost when we attempt to throw our own reason at the Bible.
Martin Luther is my hero in the faith (and I can't wait to meet him); he was an unpolished and sometimes crass man who was not afraid to confront issues head on and tell it like it is - he once said that reason is the Devil's whore, and it is the biggest enemy to the faith. When we see people confronting the Bible with ideas like "you can't command someone to love you, that's not true love," I think that this is the exact kind of reason that brother Martin had in mind.
“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the great and foremost commandment (Matthew 22:36-37).
Larry:
You left out the two succeeding verses
39 And the second *is like it:* ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these *two* commandments.”
Thus, Jesus gave us two apparently coequal commandments which you selectively concealed, which is a significant lie by selective silence. Also, *if* God really is a Good Father as Jesus repeatedly indicated, among (if not first among) His greatest desires is that *His children not harm each other.*
I know that you are unable to be a father, *and thus you will never know the hearbreak of having one of your children harm another (particularly deliberately, out of cruelty) but it is among the most helpless and heartbreaking things a father can experience.* Perhaps you had a good father yourself to experience this dynamic, or perhaps you can just intuit it.
FEELSonWHEELS,
Luther didn't hate Jews... You have to read everything that he wrote. As Luther aged and his health began to fail, he became increasingly bitter against the Jewish people because they failed to convert en masse to what he felt was overwhelming proof that they have rejected their Messiah. Shortly before his death, he penned some bitter things against them, sure, but when you look at his cannon, especially some of his earlier writings, you see that he did have a heart for them.
You said: *"The problem with Jeff is that he is throwing is own philosophy into the Bible, instead of reading it simply."*
Really? What specifically?
You said: *"Calvinists always have terrible reading comprehension for some reason. I think it's pride."*
Interesting. Have you read "Institutes of the Christian Religion?" If you have a specific issue, I've got my copy right here, let me know chapter and paragraph, and let's talk about it.
At 8 minutes in he was not talking about the people the father gave to him… it was glory…. All the glory my father gave to me…
All the Father gives me will come to me, and the one who comes to me I will never cast out. -John 6:37
I don't see how this could be interpreted as Jesus talking about Glory.
How can dead people get to the hospital?
Eph. 2 "And you who were dead in trespasses and sins..........
So thankful!
Vary poetic:
HaHa " lo-l not ' , but praise ~ing Eleheiam.
Mark Snider how can dead people sin?
I'm cool with being created. So much of our quest for being correct resembles what snared Eve. I'm okay with not knowing everything. 👌🏾
Best comment. The Son of God came, fulfilled, and returned to the Father. Debates and apologia are good. Saying it all in context and love is key.
I think we all agree with the fact that we cannot know everything (unless he's a fool) but I prefer knowing what God says in his word than being an ignorant.
16:40 The sheep given to Christ are those who have faith in God and believe in God who is doing the miracles etc by Christ. Once they acknowledged God, specifically God affirming Christ, they were in turn entrusted to Christ by that faith in God. The context deals with a lack of belief despite the obvious. Jesus CONTINUED to try to convince these same men! Why? If they were already declared unelectable, why? Look what he says to them:
John 10:37-38 KJV
[37] If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. [38] But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
Very good point
29:30 question: why evangelize if it’s all pre-determined.
@@sssimplydave Good answer, May I add that I believe that Christ is in us as we assist in saving the lost. With that said, we are not only doing the work of His kingdom we are also an extension of His kingdom. It is Christ in us and us in Christ establishing His kingdom on earth.
Why evangelize? The answer is a simple one: The Lord commands the proclamation of His Gospel. The conversion of souls is a Divine act, not a human one. However, He, in His sovereign design, has allowed His people to participate in the spreading of His Good News. He ordains the ends, and, obviously, He ordains the means to those ends. What a privilege the followers of Christ have been given to take His Gospel to every person He has put in their particular path.
for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?
@@codemasterz6074 Don't know but if God predetermined them to be saved they will be regardless. Idk. I don't understand Calvanism.
Because God has chosen the means of that salvation, and it is written that faith comes by hearing, and hearing is by the word of God. Therefore, if we don't evangelize, as it has already been pointed out that it is our obligation, then faith will not come, and faith will not be generated by the Spirit. Also, remember that words are spiritual in nature, and it is God the Holy Spirit who takes those words and uses them to effect the spiritual rebirth and faith in the hearers. This is evidence by the statement in the scriptures that, "life and death are in the power of the tongue, and blessed they are who live by it."
I’m trying to understand Calvinism, and when I say Calvinism I mean the U in TULIP ( Unconditional Election )... If in fact God has chosen people to have eternal life and others will be condemned to hell NOT because they don’t accept Jesus but because God hasn’t chosen them. I have a hard time understanding that. I can understand Calvinism stating the elect of God are just the people that choose to believe in Jesus. He is all knowing so he already knows who will accept Jesus and who will deny Jesus. Therefor the “ elect “ would be the people who choose Jesus not who God chose. If it was God choosing people and not choosing others then what’s the point of Jesus? I believe Jesus is the bridge to God. John 14:6 “ I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me “ if there was an Elect what’s the point of sharing the Gospel? What if the one sharing the Gospel isn’t in the Elect but the one who they are sharing the Gospel to is? These are not challenging questions to Calvinism just questions I have as I am learning more and more about Calvinism and automatically have questions. Now the funny part is if I’m wrong and Calvinism is right, I’m saved through Jesus... If I’m right and Calvinism is wrong, I’m still saved through Jesus... 🤷🏻♂️
Mario Bianchini Predestination is NOT about the salvation of lost people.
It’s about the guaranteed future of SAVED people.
Predestination is mentioned 4 times in the Bible in 3 separate verses and NOT ONCE IS IT REFERRING TO SALVATION.
In each case the passage clearly says WHO is being predestinated and TO WHAT they are being predestinated to.
Predestination doesn’t speak to who is saved or not.
Rather, it speaks to the ‘DESTINY’ of those who ARE SAVED/elect.
It speaks to God’s ENDS for the elect who are ALREADY IN CHRIST THROUGH FAITH (Believers).
It is the BELIEVERS who are the ones who love God, and who are therefore foreknown by Him.
IN CHRIST they possess redemption and the forgiveness of sins by faith.
BELIEVERS are predestined by God.
*****It does NOT say that unbelievers are predestined TO BE believers.*****
In all those passages ask your self WHO is being predestined and WHAT are they being predestined to?
**Not once is it an unbeliever.**
**Not once is it predestined to salvation.**
BELIEVERS are predestined to inherit salvation, to be justified and to be brought into glory.
If there remains a veil over the hearts of the Jews for failing to see Christ in the Scriptures, why should we think that the same veil would not also blind those who teach a primary Election APART from Jesus?
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Reformers believe that the FINAL DESTINATION of election is to BECOME in Christ,
whereas scripture says that the SOURCE of election is IN CHRIST.
With respect to salvation in Christ, predestination speaks not to WHO will be among the elect, but to WHAT GOD’S ULTIMATE PURPOSES ARE FOR THOSE WHO ARE ELECT IN CHRIST.
It was never about what we have in the Father INDEPENDENT of the Son.
It’s all about HIS SON.
It’s all about CHRIST.
CHRIST IS THE ELECT ONE.
We are merely elect BASED UPON OUR ASSOCIATION AND IDENTIFICATION WITH CHRIST!
It’s IMPOSSIBLE to be elect before we have any identity with Christ.
THAT WOULD USURP CHRIST!
...If I have been chosen IN THE FATHER from before the foundation of the world in an eternal Election IN HIMSELF,
then does Christ intercede for me in heaven in vain, knowing that I have already been eternally mediated to the Father by His eternal secret counsel?
What would Christ be interceding for?
In a primary, in the Father Election, Christ as “Savior” is UNDERMINED and CALVARY BECOMES A MERE FORMALITY since the Father’s alleged, secret love from eternity past had already, in a sense, saved us.
**But that’s NOT what the bible teaches.
The bible teaches that BELIEVERS are predestined to certain end IN CHRIST.
We are saved by grace THROUGH FAITH in what Christ did on Calvary.
We are NOT saved through election.
We’re saved by grace THROUGH FAITH in Christ.
He’s given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
We’re His.
And BECAUSE of that, all of the promises of God are ‘yes’ and ‘Amen’ for you, because you are IN CHRIST JESUS.
This is a good paraphrase of the big picture of Ephesians chapter 1.
The basis for our covenant blessings are rooted in being IN CHRIST.
**With reformed theology, it’s quite different, as their basis for blessings is having been secretly elected in the Father, and for some inexplicable reason, with the result that the reformed ‘elect’ are caused to believe and chosen to become in Christ.
There’s your contrast.
EPHESIANS 1:4 - BELIEVERS chosen to be Holy and Blameless IN CHRIST.
EPHESIANS 1:5 - BELIEVERS
are predestined to be adopted children of God BY JESUS:
EPHESIANS 1:11,12 - BELIEVERS (who first trusted in Christ) are predestined to be the PRAISE OF HIS GLORY:
ROMANS 8:29 - BELIEVERS (those who are in IN CHRIST) are predestined to be CONFORMED TO HIS IMAGE (through sanctification).
Mario Bianchini Nowhere in scripture is an unbeliever elected to be a believer.
Election is ALWAYS to SERVICE and never to salvation apart from Christ.
If people go to hell they only have themselves and their sins to blame. Not the fact that God didn't choose them.
Election saves many justly condemned sinners, but God is under no obligation to extend His electing grace to everyone.
Larry Anderson God is under no obligation to extend His electing grace to everyone?
You mean SAVING grace.
Grace that BRINGETH SALVATION.
He’s already extended it you’re too late.
Titus 2:11 clearly states God’s SAVING GRACE has appeared to ALL men.
TITUS 2:11
11 FOR THE GRACE OF GOD THAT BRINGETH SALVATION HATH APPEARED TO ALL MEN,
Not just grace but SAVING grace.
Grace that BRINGETH SALVATION.
Q: WHO has this SAVING grace appeared to?
A: ALL men.
Bippity Boppity, Let me prove it to you the heretical teaching of Calvinism. Do read below and your comments please.
Most Calvinism self-professed claim that they are the "the sheep"(the elect) which Jesus came only to seek and to save as only their sins had been paid for on the cross. Let us see whether their claim aligned with the bible. Here I quote;
(Mat 10:5) These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
(Mat 10:6) But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
These verses stated in the 1st century, Jesus had send out his twelve and specifically commanded them "not" to go to the Gentiles and Samartans but only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Firstly, was Jesus seeking after the self-proclaimed "sheep" (the elect) of Gentiles origin , living in the 20th. century or the Jews, His lost sheep living in the 1st century? Secondly, are the Gentiles considered to be the house of Israel? You can now see the true absurdity of the Calvinist's claim to be the "sheep" (the elect) when they aren't. When you tell a lie, it always backfires. Thank you.
One last question and I mean this with all respect. So what is the purpose of evangelizing? When a Calvinist goes out and tells people about Jesus what is actually happening? Do these people not know they were saved until they were told? Is there anything a newly awakened Calvinist need to do to be saved; repent, confess, believe?
Did God, or did He not, tell us in the Scriptures to evangelize? God has chosen to use the gospel to save His people from their sins. The gospel comes from (LISTEN!) HUMANS! If He wanted to shout it from angels, He could. But He told us to evangelize.