First time I've seen video from the inside of a dust collection system, that was pretty cool. I hope all the seals on your camera and light held out the dust. You are an engineer, whether or not you have a degree, you are definitely an engineer, and a qualified creator. I love you stuff, it always gets my head spinning with what I could make and "maybe" improve for my own situation/use. Thank you.
Just a thought, attach an outlet with a blastgate on your small dust buckets. When they get full attach a hose from your large dust collector and empty to your large container. Disregard if you think it wouldn't work. Keep up the good work, great videos.
Perhaps cutting slots in the sides of your wood dust collection cabinets, and installing strips of plexiglass as sight windows. This would allow you to keep an eye on the volume, and empty them before dust migration into areas you prefer didn't get as dusty.
For your dust bin, the clear one, you might install a 4" dust collection gate in the back/base of it so you don't ever have to empty it, just connect a 4" hose and empty it, then disconnect the hose until needed again.
Hi Marius. Just a thought for you, one small port hole about 3 inch in diameter with polycarbonate should make a great inspection view to tell you the can is full. The can you made one vertical window like that in your filter box door would work for your small wooden can.
Seriously, this kid drives me mad. 3D print this, cnc router that, twin position custom clips, custom dust cyclone... amd so on. I myself cannot cut wood square. Your future is bright Marius. 👍
Man, I just look forward to your videos :) Always such inspiration. Thank you sooooo much for sharing them with us. That lathe stand looks amazing. Can't wait !
Dank. I'm impressed at how you not only make good stuff, but continually improve them as well. I'm excited to see some metal working on this channel in the future as well! That's my forte.
"...you don't really take your own stupidity into account that much..." That is such a great truth most of us can all relate to! Very funny. Thanks for that!
I made this baffle with this video as inspiration... mine is a bit larger, but very much the same in most of yours. I love the see through polycarbonate sides. It's fun to watch. I don't use the clips though, don't see the need to. Thank you Marius for this video!! 👍
Just a thought on the broken clips on the smaller separator - swap the positions of the components, mount the clips on the barrel and the dowels on the lid. Also remove the hinge completely and just have the clips, as you show on the larger separator the suction keeps it in place.
You could use the curtain attachment when cleaning the filters to reduce the risk of damaging them (that's the brush attachment). It works really when when I clean my things with it.
Interesting video, as usual. The larger chip collector makes a lot of sense but the wooden bucket is totally cool to look at. Taking ones own stupidity into account seems rather like an oxymoron to me and that is taking my own stupidity into account! Thanks for another great vid!
I love your videos, Marius! Awesome job, and I can't wait for the upcoming projects! By the way, i'm guessing you could very easily add a poly window in your large dust bin (like in your filter box) so you can see when it's getting full.
Love your videos. Thank-you so very much for sharing. Somewhere, I heard, or read, that a dust separator loses efficiency if more than about one third full. Just thought you would want to know. Best wishes!
It's good to have watched you become more and more relaxed with each passing video Marius : ) Can't help but wonder what's in store when you inevitably grow out of your current "shop"...
Can you make a "shop tour"?I know you don't have the biggest shop but just walk around and talk about things you have and you do.I'm sure your subscribers would love it!
Hi mate. I think that the open sides of the pleats from the folded filter are letting a lot of the dust through onto the secondary filters. Perhaps stapling the sides shut might help.
The mesh in the dustcollector can create a new "risk". If the mesh is clogged up, the pressure in the room above it will decrease. If the plexiglas is not strong enough, it can collapse under the low pressure or "vacuum".
Nice video. You might benefit from installing a Windows on your collection bin. It would be even better if you mark a FULL line directly on the window, especially if you can see it from a distance.
Hey Marius, not sure if you've seen any of Matthias's videos on dust collection, but I believe he mentions a few times that the tiniest microscopic particles make it through the air filters until they have a coating of dust on them... So maybe (as long as you have enough suction) you may find it beneficial to leave that fine layer of dust on the final filters?
Yes, that might be true, but I'm also using much higher quality filters than he does. So I rather have clean before the dust really settles in and ruins the filter.
Have you thought of a small window in your large wooden chip container...similar to the one in the filter box? Perhaps one in the small Shop-Vac container as well.
Without watching beyond the demonstration of the handle moving I thought right away that if you put a magnet inside the knob and then you said just that.😊
entertaining video ☺ 0.3 micron thats impressing. How fine are your wacumcleaner filters? Not Considering the dust can get free moving around inside your shop before being sucked through the wacum? 🤔 I would prefere doing that outside or with a very strong draft going outside.
I Marius, i realy like your video's. And i apreciate it how much work you put in your video's. So thanks for All of that (btw youre video's are awesome) Keep going
nice work!! but can i ask you here alas a question? about the cyclone? i was wonder " what is better" a smal hose with a higher speed or a wider hose with less speed, and is a wider circle for je cyclone better/ more efficient as a smaller one and the hight ?is more hight also more efficient ? and your input of your last cyclone is more square, does that have a better result? keep on going, il like to watch you!!
Nice little video! By the way the larger dust particles at the bottom of the filter box could have fallen off the filters due to you opening the door (just a passing thought).
hey Marius. . first of all. . keep up the good work. you Are doing a great job... i saw an video where you was making a disk sander. you sad at the end. you had a plan for a disk and belt sander combo. . did you crash that idea ?
I have the same table saw and that never happened to me. Mine does not vibrate when the saw stops. Did you take care to level it perfectly when you installed it?
A couple of them attached to each other or to a metal object have great holding power. Enough to generate blood blisters should you get your fingers in the way. Great for latches, and other items that need to stay put.
Rainer Zufall in Sweden at least, you can buy various magnets in any home improvement stores, including Bauhaus and Hornbach (both of which we have within reasonable distance from me, by the way). :)
Can't remember ever seeing them in a Bauhaus here in Austria, but I also never really searched for some, because I bought some way before I really needed some on ebay. It's much cheaper there if you want a few (and you want a few because they are handy to have around ;) ). You can always try out fridge magnets (they will be weaker but might still work). Or check out 1€ shops for random stuff that has magnets in it. If that fails Conrad, Reichelt or Pollin (the electronics shops) should have some Neodymium magnets. Although if you aren't close to one of them and have to order them you might as well buy them in bulk from China.
Marius I love your videos and enjoyed the video. I have been wanting to get into turning but cant decide what lathe and tools to get if you have any recommendations for a lathe or tools I would love to hear them. I would prefer if it was under $500. Thanks
Just for starters you can easily build your own lathe for a few bucks. I think I spent 50 Euros on an old motor, some threaded rod a switch and some wires. Add some scrap wood and there you go. It worked. Mr Wandel had some videos on builing a REALLY cheap one yourself.
hmm you've upgraded the dust collecter and filter but you kept the old catchment maybe thats a mini project now that the unit is further out from the wall make a bigger catchment with a window so you can see at a glance its status
i know its a old video but given the amount of times you forget to empty all your various dust collector bins consider sensorizing them all and make them send notifications to say your phone that you have to empty them again...
Marius your clear bucket is a stoke of genius what is the dimensions of the plastic that you used when making it I want to make one to also are you planning on make future buckets like that I would love to see how exactly your procedure maybe you can make one for you big cyclone
The Polycarbonate is 2mm thick. The other dimensions depend on how big the bucket should be. Watch this video: ruclips.net/video/c19NzKRkv7E/видео.html I used the exact same method to make the bucket.
Hi Marius, can you tell us where you've got the leadscrew and nut? Is it ACME (29°) or trapezoidal(30°)? I'm looking for 20x3mm to replace the worn leadscrew in my metal lathe. Thanks for the great videos :)
Hi marius danke für die antwort! Ich habe jetzt einen motor gekuaft mit 3ps und 2900rpm jetzt weiss ich allerdings nicht wie lang ich die "vanes" machen soll (ich benutze gerade "vanes") ausserdem würde ich gerne wissen wie wie viel platz du zwischen dem blower housing und dem blower gelassen hast und wie gross das loch ist wo der cyclon anschliesst als dieses loch am impeller Danke im vorraus!
Marius, great video as usual! Shouldn't you be wearing a dust mask while working with and cleaning the filters? You're just freeing those dust particles into the air. Keep yourself safe and healthy and keep producing quality videos sir! Thanks for sharing as always!
Hi Marius, bei uns im Baumarkt bekomme ich nur Polystyrol, würde das auch gehen? Alternativ könnte ich 1mm starkes Polycarbonat bekommen, wär das auch noch machbar?
man that Lathe is nice I have one too and we (my parents and me) bought a bigger one from a friend of my fahter it was hell carrying that thing. May I ask how you carried it? We used carrying belts that go over the shoulder.
Marius Hornberger Yeah we got the lathe out of the first story of a dentalprothesis lab cause the guy who own it had his private workshop there. We had a spiral staircase too also a pretty small one but we had the luck that the piano moving people across the street helped us for only 50€ and at home its was level with the floor that was a big relief. Now we are preparing the already build garage and workshop so it can be finished and we can install the new lathe and the mill that also came with it. And we didnt have to build a stand for any of it cause the were already with it
Marius. Does the loose filters act solely as prefilters? If so I can see wanting to stretch them out to clean them but doesn't some sawdust laden air get behind the pre-filter because the pre-filter has no edge structure to prevent the dirty air getting behind it. This comment is meant for the wooden filter cabinet. I'm not criticizing, just curious........ I enjoy your video's. thank you for doing them.
Hey marius ich plane einen dust collector zu bauen, muss ichda so einen zyklon bauen oder kann es auch mit einem runden abscheuder wie bei deinem dust extractor sein also dieser extractor für den hobel
Geht beides. Meiner Erfahrung nach funktioniert ein großer Zyklon besser, dafür ist ein flacher Abscheider einfacher zu bauen und braucht nicht so viel Platz.
First time I've seen video from the inside of a dust collection system, that was pretty cool. I hope all the seals on your camera and light held out the dust. You are an engineer, whether or not you have a degree, you are definitely an engineer, and a qualified creator. I love you stuff, it always gets my head spinning with what I could make and "maybe" improve for my own situation/use. Thank you.
Every time I see a new video from you I go "Hell yeah!"
Just a thought, attach an outlet with a blastgate on your small dust buckets. When they get full attach a hose from your large dust collector and empty to your large container. Disregard if you think it wouldn't work. Keep up the good work, great videos.
The chips at the bottom get quite compressed and you won't be able to suck them out.
Perhaps cutting slots in the sides of your wood dust collection cabinets, and installing strips of plexiglass as sight windows. This would allow you to keep an eye on the volume, and empty them before dust migration into areas you prefer didn't get as dusty.
For your dust bin, the clear one, you might install a 4" dust collection gate in the back/base of it so you don't ever have to empty it, just connect a 4" hose and empty it, then disconnect the hose until needed again.
Hi Marius. Just a thought for you, one small port hole about 3 inch in diameter with polycarbonate should make a great inspection view to tell you the can is full. The can you made one vertical window like that in your filter box door would work for your small wooden can.
Seriously, this kid drives me mad. 3D print this, cnc router that, twin position custom clips, custom dust cyclone... amd so on. I myself cannot cut wood square. Your future is bright Marius. 👍
lolololol
your videos are getting better and better.
Man, I just look forward to your videos :) Always such inspiration. Thank you sooooo much for sharing them with us. That lathe stand looks amazing. Can't wait !
You are the first person I am supporting on Patreon, keep up the good work! And thank you!!
Dank. I'm impressed at how you not only make good stuff, but continually improve them as well. I'm excited to see some metal working on this channel in the future as well! That's my forte.
The Metal Butcher im realy ecxited
"...you don't really take your own stupidity into account that much..." That is such a great truth most of us can all relate to! Very funny. Thanks for that!
At least half of your videos must be about dust collection or general cleaning of your shop. I love it!
I just want to say I think you’re awesome! You are such an inspiration!! Thanks for all that you do.
I made this baffle with this video as inspiration... mine is a bit larger, but very much the same in most of yours. I love the see through polycarbonate sides. It's fun to watch. I don't use the clips though, don't see the need to. Thank you Marius for this video!! 👍
"When you design something, you don't take into account your own stupidity"....can't stop laughing :-)
3d printing.... Always happens
Wenn ich ein neues Video von dir in der Abo Box sehe freue ich mich immer riesig
Ha ich auch
Hi,your dust collection reminded me why I stopped woodworking,the dust was killing me .
that's why I do a lot to keep the dust away from me
Just a thought on the broken clips on the smaller separator - swap the positions of the components, mount the clips on the barrel and the dowels on the lid. Also remove the hinge completely and just have the clips, as you show on the larger separator the suction keeps it in place.
I would more likely remove everything of the old system and make another set of the new one.
Excellent work my friend. Cabinet looks amazing
Glad to see you have a proper lathe for working with real materials! ;-)
Hi,good job on the new dust collection,and great clips.
Dont be afraid to make videos that uses more expensive/elusive tools, I'd be interested in seeing your take on 3d printing :)
You could use the curtain attachment when cleaning the filters to reduce the risk of damaging them (that's the brush attachment). It works really when when I clean my things with it.
I'll give it a shot.
Interesting video, as usual. The larger chip collector makes a lot of sense but the wooden bucket is totally cool to look at. Taking ones own stupidity into account seems rather like an oxymoron to me and that is taking my own stupidity into account! Thanks for another great vid!
Great video, I'm always learning new thing just from watching, thanks
As usual, a great video to watch.
Keep up the great work.
Marius: Thanks again for all the great projects! Keep up the good work! Your an awesome dude! Ive learned allot from you.
You are looking great! Love the stubble.
Guys he is going to make a robot which cleans his shop!!!
One to clean up the dustcollectors
Adamast he is making a dust collector for his dust collector
As a patreon supporter I can confirm this is true.
I call BS. Woodworking is his real chore. His true love is cleaning up wood shavings hence all the various dust collectors.
I need such a Robot
:-)
I love your videos, Marius! Awesome job, and I can't wait for the upcoming projects! By the way, i'm guessing you could very easily add a poly window in your large dust bin (like in your filter box) so you can see when it's getting full.
you are my reason to clicking youtube marius. thanks for the video.
As always Marius a great video with lots stuff in. Looking forward to your unedited vids. Looks like they have a loot going on also.
good video
the clear cyclones are very cool
Love your videos. Thank-you so very much for sharing.
Somewhere, I heard, or read, that a dust separator loses efficiency if more than about one third full. Just thought you would want to know.
Best wishes!
Hi,good fix on the Handel.
Excellent - I always enjoy your videos.
It's good to have watched you become more and more relaxed with each passing video Marius : ) Can't help but wonder what's in store when you inevitably grow out of your current "shop"...
It's cool that you notice that. Thanks
Have you thought about putting a plexiglass strip in the large dust collector box so you can see how full it is?
Yes, but the time required for that I' rather spend on building a complete new dust bin.
Can you make a "shop tour"?I know you don't have the biggest shop but just walk around and talk about things you have and you do.I'm sure your subscribers would love it!
Buen video, como siempre! Estas armando una buena coleccion de maquinas, quiero ver cuanto mas se puede acomodar en ese pequeño taller!!!
Everything is done perfectly! Like!
Is it just me or does the video seem a bit choppier than usual? Like the framerate is lower than usual?
I noticed that also I just changed it to 720p 50fps
Has to be RUclips related. I recorded and exported in 1080 50p as usual.
thanks for mentioning it, i was worried what could be wrong on my side, i just go a new graphics card and was worried a bit.
me too..
The video loads and runs fine for me at 1080 50p.
You should add a polycarbonate window up the side of the big dust collector box so you can easily see how full it is
Hi mate. I think that the open sides of the pleats from the folded filter are letting a lot of the dust through onto the secondary filters. Perhaps stapling the sides shut might help.
Marius Hornberger you should add a window to your big dust collector bin in the door maybe so you know when to empty it sooner
I think Marius is going to build a huge Toaster out of the new hardware :D
I look forward to seeing your videos. Good work. Have you thought about a new door with a clear panel for the large dust collector?
The mesh in the dustcollector can create a new "risk". If the mesh is clogged up, the pressure in the room above it will decrease. If the plexiglas is not strong enough, it can collapse under the low pressure or "vacuum".
+Knetterkop I already tested that. The polycarbonate walls are strung enough in that case
Nice! Thumbs up!
Nice video. You might benefit from installing a Windows on your collection bin. It would be even better if you mark a FULL line directly on the window, especially if you can see it from a distance.
Hey Marius, not sure if you've seen any of Matthias's videos on dust collection, but I believe he mentions a few times that the tiniest microscopic particles make it through the air filters until they have a coating of dust on them... So maybe (as long as you have enough suction) you may find it beneficial to leave that fine layer of dust on the final filters?
Yes, that might be true, but I'm also using much higher quality filters than he does. So I rather have clean before the dust really settles in and ruins the filter.
I like watching your videos !
Have you thought of a small window in your large wooden chip container...similar to the one in the filter box? Perhaps one in the small Shop-Vac container as well.
Without watching beyond the demonstration of the handle moving I thought right away that if you put a magnet inside the knob and then you said just that.😊
respekt! respekt! Ich wünschte ich hätte die zeit so kreativ zu werden :D
irgendwie habe ich zu viele hobbys :P
entertaining video ☺ 0.3 micron thats impressing. How fine are your wacumcleaner filters? Not Considering the dust can get free moving around inside your shop before being sucked through the wacum? 🤔 I would prefere doing that outside or with a very strong draft going outside.
love your videos - thanks!
I Marius, i realy like your video's. And i apreciate it how much work you put in your video's. So thanks for All of that (btw youre video's are awesome) Keep going
You should make some kind of sensor for the router to tell you when it is full
involved gamer this
nice work!! but can i ask you here alas a question? about the cyclone?
i was wonder " what is better" a smal hose with a higher speed or a wider hose with less speed, and is a wider circle for je cyclone better/ more efficient as a smaller one and the hight ?is more hight also more efficient ? and your input of your last cyclone is more square, does that have a better result?
keep on going, il like to watch you!!
boar was bei dir an Säge und Hobelspäne anfallen ist schon fast eine mittelgroße Schreinerei
super Video danke für's zeigen
lg Rene
I love your videos!!!
same
Great job!.Thank you.
Nice little video! By the way the larger dust particles at the bottom of the filter box could have fallen off the filters due to you opening the door (just a passing thought).
hey Marius. . first of all. . keep up the good work. you Are doing a great job... i saw an video where you was making a disk sander. you sad at the end. you had a plan for a disk and belt sander combo. . did you crash that idea ?
"And now we know that stuff inside a dustcollector bin gets dusty" dun dun DUUUN!!! xD
THINK YOU FOR THIS DÉMONSTRATION
I have the same table saw and that never happened to me. Mine does not vibrate when the saw stops. Did you take care to level it perfectly when you installed it?
Which baffle works better? The thein style on your chip separator or the circular style like on your pantarouter dust collector?
they are the same, the one for the Pantorouter only looks a bit taller because the filter extends into the chamber. Both work about the same.
You might consider some scrapped hard drive magnets for your dust collector latches.
Instead of the latches?
A couple of them attached to each other or to a metal object have great holding power. Enough to generate blood blisters should you get your fingers in the way. Great for latches, and other items that need to stay put.
the current latches work great
would also a square bucket for the collection ( like your big dust collector) work?
Marius Hornberger it looks like you might need to incorporate a window into your large cyclone bin
You are so right. That hand wheel is annoying. The same thing happens to me all the time. I guess I have to get a magnet, too.
Do it. Took me 2min and it works.
Where do you get the magnets? I wonder if I can find these in stores like Bauhaus or have to buy online.
Rainer Zufall in Sweden at least, you can buy various magnets in any home improvement stores, including Bauhaus and Hornbach (both of which we have within reasonable distance from me, by the way). :)
I bought a set of 100 online (5€), because I needed them for other projects as well.
Can't remember ever seeing them in a Bauhaus here in Austria, but I also never really searched for some, because I bought some way before I really needed some on ebay. It's much cheaper there if you want a few (and you want a few because they are handy to have around ;) ).
You can always try out fridge magnets (they will be weaker but might still work). Or check out 1€ shops for random stuff that has magnets in it. If that fails Conrad, Reichelt or Pollin (the electronics shops) should have some Neodymium magnets. Although if you aren't close to one of them and have to order them you might as well buy them in bulk from China.
Marius I love your videos and enjoyed the video. I have been wanting to get into turning but cant decide what lathe and tools to get if you have any recommendations for a lathe or tools I would love to hear them. I would prefer if it was under $500. Thanks
Look for cast iron midi lathe with M33/Morse Taper 2 spindle. 500w + motor.
Thanks will look in that market.
Just for starters you can easily build your own lathe for a few bucks. I think I spent 50 Euros on an old motor, some threaded rod a switch and some wires. Add some scrap wood and there you go. It worked. Mr Wandel had some videos on builing a REALLY cheap one yourself.
For the wooden bucket you can make a policarbonate window and u solve the problem
hmm you've upgraded the dust collecter and filter but you kept the old catchment maybe thats a mini project now that the unit is further out from the wall make a bigger catchment with a window so you can see at a glance its status
That's already on my list, but even more than just that.
i know its a old video but given the amount of times you forget to empty all your various dust collector bins consider sensorizing them all and make them send notifications to say your phone that you have to empty them again...
looking forward to the metal working videos boi
Nice tip for felder group :D
Was ist your Plan that this Video is not listed ore was it a mistake?
small mistake
Marius your clear bucket is a stoke of genius what is the dimensions of the plastic that you used when making it I want to make one to also are you planning on make future buckets like that I would love to see how exactly your procedure maybe you can make one for you big cyclone
The Polycarbonate is 2mm thick. The other dimensions depend on how big the bucket should be. Watch this video: ruclips.net/video/c19NzKRkv7E/видео.html I used the exact same method to make the bucket.
no what I mean is how long and how wide is the plastic
Hi Marius, can you tell us where you've got the leadscrew and nut? Is it ACME (29°) or trapezoidal(30°)? I'm looking for 20x3mm to replace the worn leadscrew in my metal lathe.
Thanks for the great videos :)
cncshop.at
is that project related to some sort of vise or clamp?
Marius what is the height and length of the plastic sheet you used
1212mm x 512mm
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Hi marius danke für die antwort! Ich habe jetzt einen motor gekuaft mit 3ps und 2900rpm jetzt weiss ich allerdings nicht wie lang ich die "vanes" machen soll (ich benutze gerade "vanes") ausserdem würde ich gerne wissen wie wie viel platz du zwischen dem blower housing und dem blower gelassen hast und wie gross das loch ist wo der cyclon anschliesst als dieses loch am impeller
Danke im vorraus!
Isnt it good to keep your air filters with some sawdust in them, in order to reduce the particle count that gets through them?
Where can I find plans for the dust collection plz???
Marius, great video as usual! Shouldn't you be wearing a dust mask while working with and cleaning the filters? You're just freeing those dust particles into the air. Keep yourself safe and healthy and keep producing quality videos sir! Thanks for sharing as always!
Marius, Master!!!!
Hi Marius, bei uns im Baumarkt bekomme ich nur Polystyrol, würde das auch gehen? Alternativ könnte ich 1mm starkes Polycarbonat bekommen, wär das auch noch machbar?
Great video!
man that Lathe is nice I have one too and we (my parents and me) bought a bigger one from a friend of my fahter it was hell carrying that thing. May I ask how you carried it? We used carrying belts that go over the shoulder.
We also used belts and three people. Was still very tough. 180kg + spiral staircase...you get the idea
Marius Hornberger Yeah we got the lathe out of the first story of a dentalprothesis lab cause the guy who own it had his private workshop there. We had a spiral staircase too also a pretty small one but we had the luck that the piano moving people across the street helped us for only 50€ and at home its was level with the floor that was a big relief. Now we are preparing the already build garage and workshop so it can be finished and we can install the new lathe and the mill that also came with it. And we didnt have to build a stand for any of it cause the were already with it
What instrument do you play? I am guessing trombone or tuba?
Marius. Does the loose filters act solely as prefilters? If so I can see wanting to stretch them out to clean them but doesn't some sawdust laden air get behind the pre-filter because the pre-filter has no edge structure to prevent the dirty air getting behind it. This comment is meant for the wooden filter cabinet. I'm not criticizing, just curious........
I enjoy your video's. thank you for doing them.
They are just pre-filters and the edges are a bit problematic. That's where the actual filters get dirty the most.
14:20 I love when you do that hahahahahaha nice video!!
You should seal the edges on those home made filters, should give you much more life out of the bought filters.
Marius, please do you have STL archive of the fitting hose? sorry about my english im form Argentina thanks!
Lol no wonder you don't empty it more often ! That's a pain in the ass to get out
hey marius super video ich wollte fragen ob du auch mal wieder ein Q&A machen kannst
Hey marius ich plane einen dust collector zu bauen, muss ichda so einen zyklon bauen oder kann es auch mit einem runden abscheuder wie bei deinem dust extractor sein also dieser extractor für den hobel
Geht beides. Meiner Erfahrung nach funktioniert ein großer Zyklon besser, dafür ist ein flacher Abscheider einfacher zu bauen und braucht nicht so viel Platz.