I have over 400 knives, 12 of them are magnacut. As it relates to edge retention, I do not see much , if any difference compared to knives made with S35V and even 3V.
Interesting, I should do the same to see how it compares. I have noticed my Magnacut blade gets a real foggy or hazy look to the steel compared to my 3V...
If you do test it, I'd like to know the results. You seem to be getting the same performance as me when it comes to Magna-Cut vs 3V. My 3V does not patina as bad or fast as Magna-Cut. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I’ll attempt to do a video. I’ve Been wanting to compare Bark River’s A2, 3V, Cruware, S35vn, S45vn and Magnacut to see how they all compare...I also have those steels in Sabre ground V-edge blade’s from multiple brands. Would be interesting to see the results. I’ll be sure to let you know..
Perfect Sunday morning viewing. A nod towards the inestimable Pete and Cedric and Ada here, done mountain style. Where are you located brother? Top video Sir. Have a great day.
I have 3v but no magnacut. I don't have enough time in with the 3v to say, but I hear it's a great knife steel. I don't see myself paying to try the magnacut.
I only have experience with Bark River Magna-Cut, and I prefer 3V over it. Some other knife brands may have better Magna-Cut. I just have to go by my own experience with the two types.
The 3V has been performing differently than the Magna-cut. 3V seems to be doing better when it comes to corrosion resistance. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@christopherlarson7579It was supposed to be. That was the whole reason Magna-Cut was invented. Some makers seem to be getting better performance. Maybe it has to do with heat treatment.
Bark River says Peters HT does their heat treat for magnacut. There is likely nothing wrong with the steel. Sharpen it a few times and see if the performance improves. Bark River power grinds their blades and it leaves the edge weaker than what it should be. You have to sharpen them a few times to get into the "good steel".
@@Gil-X47Lapua You may be right. I guess only time will tell if the performance improves. So far, the knives are cutting well, holding an edge about like 3V, and are easy to sharpen. They are good, but not better than 3V so far. If you are right, they may get better with age. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@shroomsrus5116 there's a good possibility there is something wrong with the steel near the edge because it's thin and power grinding thin steel could cause it to heat up quickly and lower the performance. So there is nothing wrong with most of the steel. I hope that's specific enough for you.
I believe 14c28n when heat treated properly is just as good as these expensive steels. I personally believe super steels are just marketing. 3v ive had really didn't have the retention everyone raved about. I haven't tried magnacut but it doesn't do anything for me. I prefer carbon steel and 14c28n does very well for a 1/3 of the price.
I've actually been using AEB-L the most lately, which is very similar to 14C28N. I haven't tested the edge retention, but it has been performing well. Thanks for watching and commenting.
So you're making a blanket statement out of ignorance because you're poor, got it. Magnacut is worth the money and it's light years ahead of 28n in most applications. 28n is fine for an EDC, you can touch it up often. The pure shit edge retention for field work or hunting makes it worthless. 28n can't make it through one hide of a buck before it's useless. I can do a couple bucks, skinned and fully processed, without touching up the blade with magnacut or cruwear. It entirely depends on the task. Bushcraft, right now I'd go with the new AEB-L PSB-27 that LT Wright is using on the Genesis. But again, that's also more expensive.
14c28n with a good cryo treatment can reach 63 or even 64 HRC, which leaves it pretty solid in edge retention while still scoring high in durability and stainlessness. Its definitely a very well thought out steel. It makes sense because Sandvik does a lot of research and development. Its very very very good stuff for the price on paper. Unfortunately the cheap knives I ussually see it on are ussually not very well hardened. Ive seen some sick custom knives made from 14c28n, but their price reflected that. Im not saying that cheap knives that do the steel justice dont exist. I just havent found any personally. Sucks that youve basically got to scratch a knife to see how good it is lol. Youd think with todays tech that theyd have some laser or something that could tell you a knifes HRC without damaging it by now.
@@Swearengen1980If its cryo treated to 63 HRC or even 64, the edge retention is actually good while remaining ridiculously easy to sharpen. you can get such a good edge on it with almost no effort. It is still not 3v good in edge retention obviously, but its still good. The problem is that most knife companies dont realize they arent doing it right, or dont care. I thinks maybe its because theyve been doing it sub optimally for so long now. This is THE toughest stainless steel out there though and one of the more stainless steels. It also had the ability to be hardened all the way up to 64 HRC. if done properly its not brittle at all even when pushed near its hardness limits. Its crazy that HRC tests on Knives made in this steel so often come back in the upper 50s. Theres no need to keep it that soft. Its just lazy. The way a steel is treated is arguably even more important than the steel itself. Poorly hardened MagnaCut is mediocre too just like poorly hardened 14c28n. For the record my favorites steels are Nitrobe 77 but only if its done by Roman Kase. He gets MUCH better performance than everyone else due to his unique heat treat and cryo. You should see pictures of the structure of his Nitrobe 77 vs the way it normally looks. His is WAY finer grained. My 2nd favorite is MagnaCut and then 14c28n and CPM 3v are kind of tied. then They are just so different its hard to compare them. 3V is a lot better, BUT it takes more work to sharpen and youve got to worry about rust. Its also more expensive. I think 14c28n has the absolute best potential of any steel (as a knife) compared to what it costs. People who arent into knives arent ussually going to want to oil their blade or any of that. Theres a ton of other knife steels i love too, m390, S45vn, Spy27, s35vn, s30v, etc etc etc. Probably in that order too. Spy27 is another one thats nice and easy to sharpen while having good qualities across the board. I just love steel honestly. Especially seeing all the charts and graphs and controlled real world tests. oh yeah and A6 and CPM 1v is great for like machetes and stuff because its mindbogglingly tough without throwing edge retention out the window. I still might not use it on a knife though. 3v is plenty tough for that with significantly better edge retention. There are some amazing steels out there but honestly we are still just scratching the surface. Within 10 years I bet there will be something that outclasses MagnaCut. Nothing wrong with that. MagnaCut done right will never be a bad option. Even if it became outclassed it would just mean MagnaCut would become cheaper. Still a win in my book.
From everything I've been hearing about magna-cut in general, it should be better than 3V. However, with Bark River magna-cut, 3V seems to be just as good. That's all I can tell you because that's the only magna-cut I have experience with. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@MountainLife1 The problem is not all magnacut is equal. A lot of companies haven't perfected the heat treat. Which is better depends on the brand and task. 4" and under, I'd go magnacut (it does have better edge retention) - If you get an MKC or equivalent. Larger knives that would be choppers/survival knifes, the edge retention is less important and you may want the extra toughness of 3V.
@@realitycheck4296 I did. See these videos: ruclips.net/video/EkPVwCjxYTU/видео.htmlfeature=shared and ruclips.net/video/Cj4_qiYzmlE/видео.htmlfeature=shared
Bark River doesn't have great results with magnacut. I've seen a lot of reports of chipping and not living up to the reputation. I have 5 magnacut blades and the one I'd bet my life on the 2 MKC. They've perfected it. It holds it's edge no matter what longer than big name brand magnacut. It's edge retention is well beyond the BK76 Limited Edition, Reiff, or Bradford. I can't speak for Bark River, but it's something to be aware of. Many are jumping on magnacut, but that doesn't mean they do it right. Definitely avoid magnacut from mass producers like Benchmade, their magnacut is not good.
@@Swearengen1980 Thanks for the information. Lately, I had looked at a Benchmade in Magna-cut, because I have one in S90V and like it so far. I'll definitely look into Montana Knife Company. I hadn't really heard how their magna-cut is until your comments, and I have only had Bark River magna-cut. I do have LT Wright AEB-L and PSB-27. So far, these steels from LT Wright are working fine. My AEB-L are large knives and the PSB-27 are small knives.
@@MountainLife1 The MKC story is pretty impressive, what he accomplished at such a young age. Once I tried the Stonewall Skinner in magnacut for a buck, there was no going back. I was looking into the Benchmade water series, but the longer it's out, a lot of reports of the heat treat not being accurate/too soft. Not as tough as magnacut should be. The LTW Genesis in PSB-27 is my next purchase, if I can find one in stock. People are all over that one.
@@Btc1ml All things being equal, 3V is a couple of degrees tougher than magna-cut, so it should hold up better than magna-cut. I've watched people on video cut nails and such with both, but I saw a magna-cut knife break on video where a 3V probably would not have been phased. I'd like to have a Carothers 3V with Delta heat treat, but they are hard to get.
@@11saje82 Knife Steel Nerds is where I got my data to start with. He has 3V at 9 toughness and Magna-cut at 7 toughness. That is two (a couple) of degrees difference. To be two times as tough, 3V would have to be a 14 on the toughness scale.
I can't believe the barkriver. They put the wrong label on the knife and the qc is a mess. Just because they sell magnacut, we don't know if it's real magnacut
Also, tape off the blade where your not going to cut with. Usually about 1 inch of blade that you use for cutting. So you dont use the rest of the blade.
3V is a great steel for an outdoor knife! My favorite!
I agree. Thanks for watching and commenting.
CPM3v is like a jeans and leather jacket never gets old.
I have over 400 knives, 12 of them are magnacut. As it relates to edge retention, I do not see much , if any difference compared to knives made with S35V and even 3V.
Interesting, I should do the same to see how it compares. I have noticed my Magnacut blade gets a real foggy or hazy look to the steel compared to my 3V...
If you do test it, I'd like to know the results. You seem to be getting the same performance as me when it comes to Magna-Cut vs 3V. My 3V does not patina as bad or fast as Magna-Cut. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I’ll attempt to do a video. I’ve Been wanting to compare Bark River’s A2, 3V, Cruware, S35vn, S45vn and Magnacut to see how they all compare...I also have those steels in Sabre ground V-edge blade’s from multiple brands. Would be interesting to see the results. I’ll be sure to let you know..
Thanks! I'm looking forward to it.
Perfect Sunday morning viewing. A nod towards the inestimable Pete and Cedric and Ada here, done mountain style. Where are you located brother? Top video Sir. Have a great day.
I got the idea to cut the rope from Cedric and Ada, and Dutch Bushcraft Knives. I'm in Western North Carolina. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@MountainLife1heck yeah! Me too! West of Asheville
Great review! Thanks!
@@JonJon-ey8ns You're welcome.
I have 3v but no magnacut. I don't have enough time in with the 3v to say, but I hear it's a great knife steel. I don't see myself paying to try the magnacut.
I only have experience with Bark River Magna-Cut, and I prefer 3V over it. Some other knife brands may have better Magna-Cut. I just have to go by my own experience with the two types.
What if the Magnacut and 3v are actually the same steel just labeled differently 😂?
The 3V has been performing differently than the Magna-cut. 3V seems to be doing better when it comes to corrosion resistance. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@MountainLife1 that’s so strange. Wasn’t Magnacut supposed to be more corrosion resistant than 3v though?
@@christopherlarson7579It was supposed to be. That was the whole reason Magna-Cut was invented. Some makers seem to be getting better performance. Maybe it has to do with heat treatment.
Joh 3: 16 Amen
Bark River says Peters HT does their heat treat for magnacut. There is likely nothing wrong with the steel. Sharpen it a few times and see if the performance improves. Bark River power grinds their blades and it leaves the edge weaker than what it should be. You have to sharpen them a few times to get into the "good steel".
@@Gil-X47Lapua You may be right. I guess only time will tell if the performance improves. So far, the knives are cutting well, holding an edge about like 3V, and are easy to sharpen. They are good, but not better than 3V so far. If you are right, they may get better with age. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@MountainLife1 I hope you keep us all updated. Great videos.
You say there’s nothing wrong with the steel, then contradict by saying they power grind and leave the edges weak
@@shroomsrus5116 there's a good possibility there is something wrong with the steel near the edge because it's thin and power grinding thin steel could cause it to heat up quickly and lower the performance. So there is nothing wrong with most of the steel. I hope that's specific enough for you.
I believe 14c28n when heat treated properly is just as good as these expensive steels.
I personally believe super steels are just marketing.
3v ive had really didn't have the retention everyone raved about.
I haven't tried magnacut but it doesn't do anything for me. I prefer carbon steel and 14c28n does very well for a 1/3 of the price.
I've actually been using AEB-L the most lately, which is very similar to 14C28N. I haven't tested the edge retention, but it has been performing well. Thanks for watching and commenting.
So you're making a blanket statement out of ignorance because you're poor, got it. Magnacut is worth the money and it's light years ahead of 28n in most applications. 28n is fine for an EDC, you can touch it up often. The pure shit edge retention for field work or hunting makes it worthless. 28n can't make it through one hide of a buck before it's useless. I can do a couple bucks, skinned and fully processed, without touching up the blade with magnacut or cruwear. It entirely depends on the task. Bushcraft, right now I'd go with the new AEB-L PSB-27 that LT Wright is using on the Genesis. But again, that's also more expensive.
Sure, leaf steel is the best steel why bother
14c28n with a good cryo treatment can reach 63 or even 64 HRC, which leaves it pretty solid in edge retention while still scoring high in durability and stainlessness. Its definitely a very well thought out steel. It makes sense because Sandvik does a lot of research and development. Its very very very good stuff for the price on paper. Unfortunately the cheap knives I ussually see it on are ussually not very well hardened. Ive seen some sick custom knives made from 14c28n, but their price reflected that. Im not saying that cheap knives that do the steel justice dont exist. I just havent found any personally. Sucks that youve basically got to scratch a knife to see how good it is lol. Youd think with todays tech that theyd have some laser or something that could tell you a knifes HRC without damaging it by now.
@@Swearengen1980If its cryo treated to 63 HRC or even 64, the edge retention is actually good while remaining ridiculously easy to sharpen. you can get such a good edge on it with almost no effort. It is still not 3v good in edge retention obviously, but its still good. The problem is that most knife companies dont realize they arent doing it right, or dont care. I thinks maybe its because theyve been doing it sub optimally for so long now. This is THE toughest stainless steel out there though and one of the more stainless steels. It also had the ability to be hardened all the way up to 64 HRC. if done properly its not brittle at all even when pushed near its hardness limits. Its crazy that HRC tests on Knives made in this steel so often come back in the upper 50s. Theres no need to keep it that soft. Its just lazy. The way a steel is treated is arguably even more important than the steel itself. Poorly hardened MagnaCut is mediocre too just like poorly hardened 14c28n.
For the record my favorites steels are Nitrobe 77 but only if its done by Roman Kase. He gets MUCH better performance than everyone else due to his unique heat treat and cryo. You should see pictures of the structure of his Nitrobe 77 vs the way it normally looks. His is WAY finer grained. My 2nd favorite is MagnaCut and then 14c28n and CPM 3v are kind of tied. then They are just so different its hard to compare them. 3V is a lot better, BUT it takes more work to sharpen and youve got to worry about rust. Its also more expensive. I think 14c28n has the absolute best potential of any steel (as a knife) compared to what it costs. People who arent into knives arent ussually going to want to oil their blade or any of that. Theres a ton of other knife steels i love too, m390, S45vn, Spy27, s35vn, s30v, etc etc etc. Probably in that order too. Spy27 is another one thats nice and easy to sharpen while having good qualities across the board. I just love steel honestly. Especially seeing all the charts and graphs and controlled real world tests.
oh yeah and A6 and CPM 1v is great for like machetes and stuff because its mindbogglingly tough without throwing edge retention out the window. I still might not use it on a knife though. 3v is plenty tough for that with significantly better edge retention. There are some amazing steels out there but honestly we are still just scratching the surface. Within 10 years I bet there will be something that outclasses MagnaCut. Nothing wrong with that. MagnaCut done right will never be a bad option. Even if it became outclassed it would just mean MagnaCut would become cheaper. Still a win in my book.
So 3v and magna is the same blade? One isnt better than the other?
From everything I've been hearing about magna-cut in general, it should be better than 3V. However, with Bark River magna-cut, 3V seems to be just as good. That's all I can tell you because that's the only magna-cut I have experience with. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@MountainLife1 The problem is not all magnacut is equal. A lot of companies haven't perfected the heat treat. Which is better depends on the brand and task. 4" and under, I'd go magnacut (it does have better edge retention) - If you get an MKC or equivalent. Larger knives that would be choppers/survival knifes, the edge retention is less important and you may want the extra toughness of 3V.
Do a rust test, maybe bark River pulled one of their old switcheroos and they are the same steel 🧐
@@realitycheck4296 I did. See these videos: ruclips.net/video/EkPVwCjxYTU/видео.htmlfeature=shared
and ruclips.net/video/Cj4_qiYzmlE/видео.htmlfeature=shared
Bark River doesn't have great results with magnacut. I've seen a lot of reports of chipping and not living up to the reputation. I have 5 magnacut blades and the one I'd bet my life on the 2 MKC. They've perfected it. It holds it's edge no matter what longer than big name brand magnacut. It's edge retention is well beyond the BK76 Limited Edition, Reiff, or Bradford. I can't speak for Bark River, but it's something to be aware of. Many are jumping on magnacut, but that doesn't mean they do it right. Definitely avoid magnacut from mass producers like Benchmade, their magnacut is not good.
@@Swearengen1980 Thanks for the information. Lately, I had looked at a Benchmade in Magna-cut, because I have one in S90V and like it so far. I'll definitely look into Montana Knife Company. I hadn't really heard how their magna-cut is until your comments, and I have only had Bark River magna-cut. I do have LT Wright AEB-L and PSB-27. So far, these steels from LT Wright are working fine. My AEB-L are large knives and the PSB-27 are small knives.
@@MountainLife1 The MKC story is pretty impressive, what he accomplished at such a young age. Once I tried the Stonewall Skinner in magnacut for a buck, there was no going back. I was looking into the Benchmade water series, but the longer it's out, a lot of reports of the heat treat not being accurate/too soft. Not as tough as magnacut should be. The LTW Genesis in PSB-27 is my next purchase, if I can find one in stock. People are all over that one.
Doesnt magnacut chip or break easier than 3v?
@@Btc1ml All things being equal, 3V is a couple of degrees tougher than magna-cut, so it should hold up better than magna-cut. I've watched people on video cut nails and such with both, but I saw a magna-cut knife break on video where a 3V probably would not have been phased. I'd like to have a Carothers 3V with Delta heat treat, but they are hard to get.
@@MountainLife1 3V is two times tougher than magnacut. See knife steel neerds
@@11saje82 Knife Steel Nerds is where I got my data to start with. He has 3V at 9 toughness and Magna-cut at 7 toughness. That is two (a couple) of degrees difference. To be two times as tough, 3V would have to be a 14 on the toughness scale.
I can't believe the barkriver. They put the wrong label on the knife and the qc is a mess. Just because they sell magnacut, we don't know if it's real magnacut
It happened to me Miss label their steel
You can wrap that rope with paper tape so it won't unravel
Peter's heat treatment is the reason why bark river magnacut rusts or patina so fast. Survive knives found out it was due to their process at Peter's.
Cut testers using your type of rope, wrap the rope in some kind of tape and use wd40 to clean the blade when it gets sticky. Just a tip.
Also, tape off the blade where your not going to cut with. Usually about 1 inch of blade that you use for cutting. So you dont use the rest of the blade.
Its also best to use a fixed sharpening system like an edge pro or kme with diamond stones and diamond stropping compound. For cut testing.
Then verify the bur is gone with magnification.
I'm guessing they are both low hardness. Magnacut at 62 and below doesn't have good edge retention.
Please study more about metalurgy from Larrin Thomas.
Larrin is a novice compared to real metallurgist and other experts.