How does Magnacut compare to high end carbon steels and Delta CPM 3V
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- Опубликовано: 6 дек 2022
- CPM Magnacut is an exciting new stainless steel that substitutes some nitrogen for carbon and uses Vanadium and Niobium to create a high performance stainless steel that doesn't need a lot of chromium to be highly stainless. This gives it properties almost like a carbon steel rather than the chippy, mushy edge you might associate with a stainless. We are working on an optimized heat treat for this new material for our own line of knives. See how CPM Magnacut compares to other heavy duty work horse steels. This video demonstrates the outstanding performance of this steel and also compares it to our other favorite steel, Delta 3V.
Also what is the name of your knife company?
Carothers Performance Knives
The clue is in the channel title.
@@twatmunro lol
Dutch Bushcraft Knives also covered one of their knives: ruclips.net/video/1caUlwPxRfQ/видео.html
@@NateAIM LMAO
that last test with the Delta 3V is truly impressive.
To me the Delta 3V would be the choice for a chopper or "survival" type knife (e.g. one that will be abused) so long as corrosion isn't a priority (ocean) and the Magnacut for slicing, wood working, normal bushcrafting, light batoning, kitchen use, or anything else that doesn't involve gross abuse. I believe the Magnacut is going to have slightly better edge retention most of the time with superior corrosion resistance, and the Delta 3V is going to be tougher.
What an excellent example of the importance of heat treating as much as the steel type for specific designs and uses. Thanks for the data points! Have a great week.
Nate is the Bob Ross of the knife industry. Keep making those happy little carbides fellas!!!
HAHAHAHA.....
One of your Delta 3V just went to the top of my wish list! Outstanding!
That CPM 3V is just... holy crap. 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
Came over from BF. Great video! Thank you! Great to see some common blade steels compared to your heat treat.
That's a really fascinating comparison! The Delta 3V steel in particular is astonishingly resilient. However, my kitchen knives will certainly never be used to cut any bolts or chains. I look forward to eventually adding a magnacut blade to my arsenal.
Well, this is new to me. I love knives, metallurgy, and heat treating methods. I find it very fascinating. Awesome!
Love it. Nice to hear from you guys on here.
Excellent info, Nathan - another example of why CPK is a cut above. Thanks for sharing this.
Above what?
so glad i found this video again!... been trying to find it for ages!
If I hadn’t seen that last test I wouldn’t have believed it.
Very impressive! Thanks for this analysis.
Would like to see a comparison of edge retention between your heat treat and the standard heat treats for magnacut. Also thanks for the video. I enjoyed watching it.
Extremely impressive fellas. Very good work.
Excellent video Nathan, very informative, can’t wait for my field knife in delta 3V to arrive! 😀
This is amazing and I didn't know how much I wanted to see this
Just goes to show what a great heat treat can do for a knife. There's so much focus on just the blade steel a knife might have but other attributes such as heat treat, edge angle, thickness behind the edge all matter just as much in the overall execution in creating a great knife.
Amen to that. Edge geometry and heat treatment are often just an afterthought with many makers I see. The best premium steel can be atrocious with a bad heat treatment or bad edge geometry.
Dude the inclusion of a richtig… amazing dude. Going down the generations.
Apparently his knives range in the mid 50s for HRC
Also richtig means right as in correct
I can't wait to pick-up a few of your knives!
You should link your knives so people can go and buy some. Pretty impressive. Great video
I am sitting here awestruck! I mean completely flabbergasted! A knife cutting a nail and virtually unscathed afterwards floored me…but a chain…🤯🤯🤯!!! I just know, without searching, it will make me seem poor; so I won’t look. AMAZING!!!
Thank you
This mighty blade could cut through Satan's dark soul if it wanted to. It is truly a blade forged by celestial power!
Grumpy sends his love!!! Rocky is tagging along too!
i'll just leave a like and a comment to support your work and that you destroyed your own knives that you worked on and did an effort on them. I respect that you have balls to do this only to show us, thanks.
incredible performance from those steels
That green one cut the nail very nicely imo
That is downright impressive.
Very impressive. Keep up the hard work.
Nice video, enjoyed it. And yes, the chain cutting was awesome!🐒
I'm gonna look you up. Very nice knives. Thanks for the video.
Your Delta 3V is amazing!
I love my 440c and my D2 blade knives … perfect and not expensive… 😜✌️🔥🍀🍀🍀🌎🍀🍀🍀
All depends on your needs/wants. 440c and D2 doesn't have the corrosion resistance or edge retention a lot of people are looking for.
Very informative, thank you!
Oh a few months back I found those radius plattens I got from you and decided to give them a try. It changed everything for me. Talk about a perfect grind for a chef's knife. I had some S35VN .140" stock. Never wanted to use it for chef's knives but now it do a flat distal taper out to the tip with a zero edges and pull the hollow up to the distal taper. Most of the contact surface is thinner than it would be on a FFG. That little bit of hollow might help with food release. The part I love is that I get the the very thin and slicy blade that is what I am doing with a chef knife but I get some weight and a very stiff blade that just feels better.
I hope you keep making those things. I have only been using them for a few months and I am Freaking out about what happens when they wear out. If there is anything else you make for grinding I don't know where to find your stuff. It was really random when I saw them up the sellers page of BF.
Great comment, thanks!
...my kingdom for one of those delta 3v blades...love to show that off on my own channel! ❤
he gives off Bob Ross vibes except with knives
"Happy knives, we're making happy knives" 😅
Your knives are awesome- I have a DEK 1 and UF which are fantastic and waiting on a Basic 5. My knife buying has about stopped except for yours and Joe Watson.
Dr. Larris Thomas, the inventor of Magnacut steel, said in an interview that the number one factor affecting knife performance is edge geometry. Understanding the intended use of a knife is important to apply an edge geometry that will optimize performance. Larrin said that a knife that might not seem very good can be made better by modifying the edge geometry.
Keep up the great work.
I've never, EVER seen a knife cut thru "chain" that thick, or any chain!!! I, am impressed!!!
Subscribed too!
Right on man. Best wishes with the Magnacut. Hopefully here soon I'll own 2 knives from you - the other being a 3V model.
Best way to purchase one?
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Bladeforums
Awesome thanks for the video!
I'd love to see a comparison of d3v to 15v both above 63 hrc.
Holy smokes! Cutting the chain with such little damage is remarkable!!!!
I dream of owning one of these fine blades Sir.
Let's get that CPK FK2 in Magnacut cranked out! Yeah, buddy!
So, a little longer soak time for the Magnacut. Thank you for that tidbit. Are you using LN or dry ice? I imagine with lower austenitization temps. the dry ice is sufficient because retained austenite doesn't seem to be as big of an issue with this steel.
The modern super steels are great for edge retention, but are they tough as carbon st with a good HT? I know people are overly focused on edge retention.
I've always wondered what an optimized HT of yours would result in if you ever tuned one for 1V or S7. I'd definitely buy anything you made! Hell, I already do! Your D3V is downright incredible.
I don't really care about stainlessness. I've used carbon steel kitchen knives for over forty years now. They don't rust and I can get a fantastic edge on them. If I could get a better edge on stainless, I've never found stainless gave me any better edge retention, the patina isn't a problem -- they 'grey' rather than rust here in the damp (but not humid) UK and the edge is both fantastic and easy to sharpen.
Hello! I’m a big fan of your work and was wondering if you can do a demonstration with cutting bone? Thank you!
I have Carothers knives in D3V and aebl and they nail the HT on both of these steels. One of the best fixed blades around.
I'd like to add that aebl is very underrated in larger blades.
There's a video on RUclips of a Buck 119 in 420 HC chopping through a nail with minimal damage too. Buck just does excellent heat treating.
Just got a DEK 1 from the preorder and am loving it. Looks great alongside the UF2 👍🏽. What is the knife that went before the Busse?
Bark River Kephart maybe?
Exciting news indeed!
What make/model is the Green chopper?
Busse Combat Bushwacker Mistress, was offered in 2009.
Really impressive results. What about S35VN?
Great video - research
How thick do you need to run those to do a nail? I might not have it perfect but when I tried with my 3V blades and I got damage. I usually do kitchen knives and like thin edges. I am making some bigger knives and I am leaving the edge .015"
Great video, it was hard to head you though.
I love technical videos.
Wish you would have tried the original magna on the bolt like the other two treated?
I use bolt cutters on chain but everyone is different.
Impressive. I saw someone do this with the Ontario TAK1 (older 1095 stamped version) and no damage to steel. So I got one.
I have a TOPS UTE in 1095 that has surprised me with how good TOPS heat treat is. I have several 1095 knives and the TOPS is in a whole different league.
Legend has it this man cuts his steaks with an angle grinder.
Nice video !
Just curious how aeb-l steel stacks up toughness wise. I have it on a few balisongs and it is insanely tough and stainless. It's not on the same level as 3V in edge retention, but I'm dying to see it against 3V in toughness.
Somebody with the means, time and interest needs to do this. I bet it would get plenty of views from "knife people."
Look up knive steel nerds, he has all those tests and answers
AEB-L is so low in the steel category and so far from these steels, that it's useless to compare it to them. Magnacut is WAY harder, will hold it's edge for at least 6 to 8 times more, than AEB - L, and that may sound little, but it's huge. in real use. AEB -L is one of the oldest steels, where Magnacut is the newest... It's night and day. You won't see any difference in toughness, in real use ,between any of these steels you ,mention. Literally no difference at all, other than edge retention and ease of sharpening.
what metal of these offers highest edge retention while maintaining a sturdy toughness for bushcrafting?
Questions: 1) How does regular CPM-3V compare to high carbon stainless steels, as opposed to this Delta optimized CPM-3V?
you deserve a nobel prize
What is the rust performance and how easy is it to sharpen that last Delta 3V knife.
What is the best blade material for a camping knife?
Some guy on Blade Forums was trying to say that the Delta Heat Treat was just a marketing scam. Personally, I think he's talking out of his ring piece, but it is what it is. Any blade that can slice through a chain that thick without taking a chip or major damage is a big win! Great job Carothers!
@@pcap8810 It's all about choice and what your personal needs are. Do you use your blades hard? Do you baby them? So many steels, so many choices. You decide what YOU need. Personally, I am glad that the option is available.
11:42 Amazing test starts here.
I would love to see other tools use Magnacut, like screwdrivers, wrench jaws, sawsall blades, and other high demand tools that might get wet
Damn, that 3V is impressive!
Came here for the Magnacut info but got more intrigued by your MIDO watch, had to google it, is it a Ocean Star? What model? Looks the part!
Many indestructible knives are too thick to cut well. Will a steel upgrade led to a thin knife that won't break?
Incredible!
what was the hardness on the two magnacut samples you had?
Good time to be getting into knives I guess!
we need to talk. AMAZING
I super wish you made folders. I live in California and fixed blade carry here is annoying. I'd instantly buy a folder from you.
Which steel do you like for the knife?
I subscribed to youre channel. I was interested in youre open analysis you seem to be curiouse. I like that 😊
I dont know whats youre location but where I live the winter temperatures can drop down to - 20'C to - 36'C Celsius and if youre out in the forest and have to make firewood its nice to have a Leuku hanging on my belt that can replace the axe if the axe is lost in the snow. I chopped wood with a Marttiini Leuku that has Marttiinis usual chromium stainless steel and I chopped a lot wood for about a year with it everytime we made a camp. It didnt break thou had some small chips. I was wondering does anyone know how that Magmacut performs in - 20 to 36' Celsius in a long period of time?
Holy crap that delta 3v is ridiculous. I need
Mind blown for sure
Are you willing to share your recipe? I normally use Nitro-V but want to try Magnacut!
Man I don't know exactly what he did but I recently bought a Medford Bonfire in 3v and this thing has a massively thick 7.5mm bladestock although I could have done without the hollow grind but it came with a relatively thick behind the edge bevel so I laid it back a bit and slightly convexed it by hand on diamond plates and wow it became a decent chopper and feathersticker while still being able to cut a 16penny nail then cleanly slice paper that was the first time I'd gotten a knife to do that and take almost no damage at all while still being a good performer I mean anybody can put a nail chop edge on a blade but can it also perform well in other tasks after chopping the nail?
Video or it didn’t happen bro that’s a bold claim
Delta 3V is pretty much untouchable. Insanely tough and fairly stain resistant. Magnacut looks impressive for a fully stainless steel for sure, but can't see it being better option than the Delta 3V for overall usage.
It's sort of a coked up AEB-L, though admittedly, I'll say that I've used it only in woodworking tools. But think slicing knife with some impact testing (not twisting) and that's what woodworking will advise on in terms of knife steels.
@@daw162 "coked up AEB-L" might be one of the best descriptions of a steel I've ever come across. Kudos sir, kudos!
@@chinaskibukowski7747 It's hard to think of a short explanation of it! under the microscope, it has tiny carbides like AEB-L. it sort of wears a little longer, a little more stainless, a little more time to sharpen....
coked up :)
What's the difference between regular 3V and delta 3V?
@@D00MTR33 the delta part.
Delta 3V is beastly!
Amazing
Curious what all the edge thicknesses were
Great video Nathan. It would be nice if you can throw in AEBL next time heat treated to the same hardness to MC. It would be interesting to see how they compare once they both pass 62.
I agree, I just posted this same thing. I've dropped my balisongs from just stupid heights and they never take damage. It doesn't stay sharp long (which is great on balisongs) but no one ever tests it against 3V.
@@Old_School69 "stupid heights" needs it's appropriate reply "heights stupid"
@AR9fy wtf does that mean?
All I do in the out doors no need for a Super (hard to sharpen) Steel.
Probably is a great steel but can you sharpen it on a sand stone in the field?
watching intently!
Are you guys out of Wisconsin?
Hey man where can I buy that super field knife?
Wow you're amazing sir