How does Magnacut compare to high end carbon steels and Delta CPM 3V

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  • Опубликовано: 6 дек 2022
  • CPM Magnacut is an exciting new stainless steel that substitutes some nitrogen for carbon and uses Vanadium and Niobium to create a high performance stainless steel that doesn't need a lot of chromium to be highly stainless. This gives it properties almost like a carbon steel rather than the chippy, mushy edge you might associate with a stainless. We are working on an optimized heat treat for this new material for our own line of knives. See how CPM Magnacut compares to other heavy duty work horse steels. This video demonstrates the outstanding performance of this steel and also compares it to our other favorite steel, Delta 3V.

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  • @Iamthedudeman00
    @Iamthedudeman00 Год назад +44

    Also what is the name of your knife company?

    • @NateAIM
      @NateAIM  Год назад +52

      Carothers Performance Knives

    • @twatmunro
      @twatmunro Год назад +70

      The clue is in the channel title.

    • @concealmenttraining9371
      @concealmenttraining9371 Год назад

      @@twatmunro lol

    • @danesparza77
      @danesparza77 Год назад +4

      Dutch Bushcraft Knives also covered one of their knives: ruclips.net/video/1caUlwPxRfQ/видео.html

    • @kevinbreese5739
      @kevinbreese5739 Год назад

      @@NateAIM LMAO

  • @maxlvledc
    @maxlvledc Год назад +110

    that last test with the Delta 3V is truly impressive.

    • @highplains7777
      @highplains7777 Год назад +11

      To me the Delta 3V would be the choice for a chopper or "survival" type knife (e.g. one that will be abused) so long as corrosion isn't a priority (ocean) and the Magnacut for slicing, wood working, normal bushcrafting, light batoning, kitchen use, or anything else that doesn't involve gross abuse. I believe the Magnacut is going to have slightly better edge retention most of the time with superior corrosion resistance, and the Delta 3V is going to be tougher.

  • @GrumpyGrunt
    @GrumpyGrunt 6 месяцев назад +5

    What an excellent example of the importance of heat treating as much as the steel type for specific designs and uses. Thanks for the data points! Have a great week.

  • @danmayes9439
    @danmayes9439 Год назад +8

    Nate is the Bob Ross of the knife industry. Keep making those happy little carbides fellas!!!

    • @ssnerd583
      @ssnerd583 6 месяцев назад +1

      HAHAHAHA.....

  • @figtreeprophecy
    @figtreeprophecy Год назад +11

    One of your Delta 3V just went to the top of my wish list! Outstanding!

  • @max14719
    @max14719 Год назад +6

    That CPM 3V is just... holy crap. 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

  • @cagedspam1829
    @cagedspam1829 Год назад +1

    Came over from BF. Great video! Thank you! Great to see some common blade steels compared to your heat treat.

  • @davidtatro7457
    @davidtatro7457 Год назад +18

    That's a really fascinating comparison! The Delta 3V steel in particular is astonishingly resilient. However, my kitchen knives will certainly never be used to cut any bolts or chains. I look forward to eventually adding a magnacut blade to my arsenal.

  • @ricev7071
    @ricev7071 Год назад

    Well, this is new to me. I love knives, metallurgy, and heat treating methods. I find it very fascinating. Awesome!

  • @justinfournier1285
    @justinfournier1285 Год назад +1

    Love it. Nice to hear from you guys on here.

  • @bsmithhammer
    @bsmithhammer Год назад +5

    Excellent info, Nathan - another example of why CPK is a cut above. Thanks for sharing this.

  • @kanhdahar2
    @kanhdahar2 4 месяца назад

    so glad i found this video again!... been trying to find it for ages!

  • @thechumpsbeendumped.7797
    @thechumpsbeendumped.7797 8 месяцев назад +3

    If I hadn’t seen that last test I wouldn’t have believed it.

  • @brysonalden5414
    @brysonalden5414 Год назад +3

    Very impressive! Thanks for this analysis.

  • @PlayingwithKnives911
    @PlayingwithKnives911 Год назад +15

    Would like to see a comparison of edge retention between your heat treat and the standard heat treats for magnacut. Also thanks for the video. I enjoyed watching it.

  • @theknifeconnection9571
    @theknifeconnection9571 10 месяцев назад

    Extremely impressive fellas. Very good work.

  • @markyadegar8830
    @markyadegar8830 9 месяцев назад

    Excellent video Nathan, very informative, can’t wait for my field knife in delta 3V to arrive! 😀

  • @kingtaj
    @kingtaj 6 месяцев назад

    This is amazing and I didn't know how much I wanted to see this

  • @timsmith2952
    @timsmith2952 Год назад +10

    Just goes to show what a great heat treat can do for a knife. There's so much focus on just the blade steel a knife might have but other attributes such as heat treat, edge angle, thickness behind the edge all matter just as much in the overall execution in creating a great knife.

    • @thorwaldjohanson2526
      @thorwaldjohanson2526 9 месяцев назад +1

      Amen to that. Edge geometry and heat treatment are often just an afterthought with many makers I see. The best premium steel can be atrocious with a bad heat treatment or bad edge geometry.

  • @lindboknifeandtool
    @lindboknifeandtool 2 месяца назад +1

    Dude the inclusion of a richtig… amazing dude. Going down the generations.
    Apparently his knives range in the mid 50s for HRC

  • @philm.5153
    @philm.5153 Год назад

    I can't wait to pick-up a few of your knives!

  • @zbaird3
    @zbaird3 Год назад +2

    You should link your knives so people can go and buy some. Pretty impressive. Great video

  • @souljuh4539
    @souljuh4539 2 месяца назад +1

    I am sitting here awestruck! I mean completely flabbergasted! A knife cutting a nail and virtually unscathed afterwards floored me…but a chain…🤯🤯🤯!!! I just know, without searching, it will make me seem poor; so I won’t look. AMAZING!!!

    • @NateAIM
      @NateAIM  2 месяца назад

      Thank you

    • @BigDaddySwingingMeat
      @BigDaddySwingingMeat 2 месяца назад

      This mighty blade could cut through Satan's dark soul if it wanted to. It is truly a blade forged by celestial power!

  • @Sharper_Than_Most
    @Sharper_Than_Most 5 месяцев назад

    Grumpy sends his love!!! Rocky is tagging along too!

  • @Zeratsu
    @Zeratsu Месяц назад

    i'll just leave a like and a comment to support your work and that you destroyed your own knives that you worked on and did an effort on them. I respect that you have balls to do this only to show us, thanks.

  • @adambacker8178
    @adambacker8178 Год назад

    incredible performance from those steels

  • @stewartknoll2338
    @stewartknoll2338 Год назад +2

    That green one cut the nail very nicely imo

  • @DangolWhopper
    @DangolWhopper 7 месяцев назад +1

    That is downright impressive.

  • @stewartknoll2338
    @stewartknoll2338 Год назад

    Very impressive. Keep up the hard work.

  • @dozierlester3971
    @dozierlester3971 Год назад

    Nice video, enjoyed it. And yes, the chain cutting was awesome!🐒

  • @calangel
    @calangel Год назад

    I'm gonna look you up. Very nice knives. Thanks for the video.

  • @Shawn_Kelley
    @Shawn_Kelley Год назад

    Your Delta 3V is amazing!

  • @petepete66
    @petepete66 8 месяцев назад +4

    I love my 440c and my D2 blade knives … perfect and not expensive… 😜✌️🔥🍀🍀🍀🌎🍀🍀🍀

    • @HelplessTeno
      @HelplessTeno Месяц назад

      All depends on your needs/wants. 440c and D2 doesn't have the corrosion resistance or edge retention a lot of people are looking for.

  • @Semerich_Knives
    @Semerich_Knives 7 месяцев назад

    Very informative, thank you!

  • @stormiewutzke4190
    @stormiewutzke4190 Год назад +2

    Oh a few months back I found those radius plattens I got from you and decided to give them a try. It changed everything for me. Talk about a perfect grind for a chef's knife. I had some S35VN .140" stock. Never wanted to use it for chef's knives but now it do a flat distal taper out to the tip with a zero edges and pull the hollow up to the distal taper. Most of the contact surface is thinner than it would be on a FFG. That little bit of hollow might help with food release. The part I love is that I get the the very thin and slicy blade that is what I am doing with a chef knife but I get some weight and a very stiff blade that just feels better.
    I hope you keep making those things. I have only been using them for a few months and I am Freaking out about what happens when they wear out. If there is anything else you make for grinding I don't know where to find your stuff. It was really random when I saw them up the sellers page of BF.

    • @K3Flyguy
      @K3Flyguy Год назад

      Great comment, thanks!

  • @HalfInsaneOutdoorGuy
    @HalfInsaneOutdoorGuy Месяц назад

    ...my kingdom for one of those delta 3v blades...love to show that off on my own channel! ❤

  • @gameandsnacks6279
    @gameandsnacks6279 Год назад +6

    he gives off Bob Ross vibes except with knives

    • @lukefreeouf4036
      @lukefreeouf4036 24 дня назад

      "Happy knives, we're making happy knives" 😅

  • @rpnbf8196
    @rpnbf8196 5 месяцев назад

    Your knives are awesome- I have a DEK 1 and UF which are fantastic and waiting on a Basic 5. My knife buying has about stopped except for yours and Joe Watson.

  • @ahill209
    @ahill209 5 месяцев назад +1

    Dr. Larris Thomas, the inventor of Magnacut steel, said in an interview that the number one factor affecting knife performance is edge geometry. Understanding the intended use of a knife is important to apply an edge geometry that will optimize performance. Larrin said that a knife that might not seem very good can be made better by modifying the edge geometry.

  • @aaronnaylor59
    @aaronnaylor59 Год назад

    Keep up the great work.

  • @jorgefernandez6407
    @jorgefernandez6407 8 месяцев назад

    I've never, EVER seen a knife cut thru "chain" that thick, or any chain!!! I, am impressed!!!

  • @ruleroftheundersky570
    @ruleroftheundersky570 Год назад +3

    Right on man. Best wishes with the Magnacut. Hopefully here soon I'll own 2 knives from you - the other being a 3V model.

  • @stringbender247
    @stringbender247 6 месяцев назад

    Awesome thanks for the video!

  • @haveagocommentator983
    @haveagocommentator983 Год назад +4

    I'd love to see a comparison of d3v to 15v both above 63 hrc.

  • @JohnDoesItAll
    @JohnDoesItAll 3 месяца назад

    Holy smokes! Cutting the chain with such little damage is remarkable!!!!

  • @Flyboyminer
    @Flyboyminer 8 месяцев назад

    I dream of owning one of these fine blades Sir.

  • @AJ-gn4ki
    @AJ-gn4ki Год назад +2

    Let's get that CPK FK2 in Magnacut cranked out! Yeah, buddy!

  • @highplains7777
    @highplains7777 Год назад +1

    So, a little longer soak time for the Magnacut. Thank you for that tidbit. Are you using LN or dry ice? I imagine with lower austenitization temps. the dry ice is sufficient because retained austenite doesn't seem to be as big of an issue with this steel.

  • @willbrink
    @willbrink 10 месяцев назад +1

    The modern super steels are great for edge retention, but are they tough as carbon st with a good HT? I know people are overly focused on edge retention.

  • @paulroberts4905
    @paulroberts4905 4 месяца назад

    I've always wondered what an optimized HT of yours would result in if you ever tuned one for 1V or S7. I'd definitely buy anything you made! Hell, I already do! Your D3V is downright incredible.

  • @twatmunro
    @twatmunro Год назад +5

    I don't really care about stainlessness. I've used carbon steel kitchen knives for over forty years now. They don't rust and I can get a fantastic edge on them. If I could get a better edge on stainless, I've never found stainless gave me any better edge retention, the patina isn't a problem -- they 'grey' rather than rust here in the damp (but not humid) UK and the edge is both fantastic and easy to sharpen.

  • @christopherlarson7579
    @christopherlarson7579 11 месяцев назад

    Hello! I’m a big fan of your work and was wondering if you can do a demonstration with cutting bone? Thank you!

  • @itsjustclayton
    @itsjustclayton Год назад +1

    I have Carothers knives in D3V and aebl and they nail the HT on both of these steels. One of the best fixed blades around.

    • @itsjustclayton
      @itsjustclayton Год назад +2

      I'd like to add that aebl is very underrated in larger blades.

  • @furyxan
    @furyxan 7 месяцев назад

    There's a video on RUclips of a Buck 119 in 420 HC chopping through a nail with minimal damage too. Buck just does excellent heat treating.

  • @rpnbf8196
    @rpnbf8196 Год назад

    Just got a DEK 1 from the preorder and am loving it. Looks great alongside the UF2 👍🏽. What is the knife that went before the Busse?

    • @shevanel888
      @shevanel888 9 месяцев назад

      Bark River Kephart maybe?

  • @1Rabble-Rouser
    @1Rabble-Rouser Год назад

    Exciting news indeed!

  • @michaelsteven8281
    @michaelsteven8281 Год назад +4

    What make/model is the Green chopper?

    • @BillyBadasssssss
      @BillyBadasssssss 4 месяца назад

      Busse Combat Bushwacker Mistress, was offered in 2009.

  • @Semeion7
    @Semeion7 8 месяцев назад

    Really impressive results. What about S35VN?

  • @marvinhadley2084
    @marvinhadley2084 5 месяцев назад

    Great video - research

  • @stormiewutzke4190
    @stormiewutzke4190 Год назад

    How thick do you need to run those to do a nail? I might not have it perfect but when I tried with my 3V blades and I got damage. I usually do kitchen knives and like thin edges. I am making some bigger knives and I am leaving the edge .015"

  • @EDCIndiana
    @EDCIndiana Год назад

    Great video, it was hard to head you though.

  • @thaknobodi
    @thaknobodi Год назад

    I love technical videos.

  • @JRidout
    @JRidout 9 месяцев назад

    Wish you would have tried the original magna on the bolt like the other two treated?

  • @K3Flyguy
    @K3Flyguy Год назад +4

    I use bolt cutters on chain but everyone is different.

  • @Ruger44Redhawk
    @Ruger44Redhawk 8 месяцев назад

    Impressive. I saw someone do this with the Ontario TAK1 (older 1095 stamped version) and no damage to steel. So I got one.

    • @ssnerd583
      @ssnerd583 6 месяцев назад

      I have a TOPS UTE in 1095 that has surprised me with how good TOPS heat treat is. I have several 1095 knives and the TOPS is in a whole different league.

  • @chesshooligan1282
    @chesshooligan1282 2 месяца назад

    Legend has it this man cuts his steaks with an angle grinder.

  • @dano727
    @dano727 Год назад

    Nice video !

  • @Old_School69
    @Old_School69 Год назад +11

    Just curious how aeb-l steel stacks up toughness wise. I have it on a few balisongs and it is insanely tough and stainless. It's not on the same level as 3V in edge retention, but I'm dying to see it against 3V in toughness.

    • @highplains7777
      @highplains7777 Год назад +1

      Somebody with the means, time and interest needs to do this. I bet it would get plenty of views from "knife people."

    • @thorwaldjohanson2526
      @thorwaldjohanson2526 9 месяцев назад +3

      Look up knive steel nerds, he has all those tests and answers

    • @greekveteran2715
      @greekveteran2715 5 месяцев назад

      AEB-L is so low in the steel category and so far from these steels, that it's useless to compare it to them. Magnacut is WAY harder, will hold it's edge for at least 6 to 8 times more, than AEB - L, and that may sound little, but it's huge. in real use. AEB -L is one of the oldest steels, where Magnacut is the newest... It's night and day. You won't see any difference in toughness, in real use ,between any of these steels you ,mention. Literally no difference at all, other than edge retention and ease of sharpening.

  • @nopewontyou
    @nopewontyou 8 месяцев назад

    what metal of these offers highest edge retention while maintaining a sturdy toughness for bushcrafting?

  • @DDDYLN
    @DDDYLN 9 месяцев назад +2

    Questions: 1) How does regular CPM-3V compare to high carbon stainless steels, as opposed to this Delta optimized CPM-3V?

  • @danygodbout979
    @danygodbout979 Год назад

    you deserve a nobel prize

  • @motorbreath22
    @motorbreath22 8 месяцев назад

    What is the rust performance and how easy is it to sharpen that last Delta 3V knife.

  • @hakansalihoglu
    @hakansalihoglu 4 месяца назад

    What is the best blade material for a camping knife?

  • @bluegrasssurvival9423
    @bluegrasssurvival9423 10 месяцев назад

    Some guy on Blade Forums was trying to say that the Delta Heat Treat was just a marketing scam. Personally, I think he's talking out of his ring piece, but it is what it is. Any blade that can slice through a chain that thick without taking a chip or major damage is a big win! Great job Carothers!

    • @bluegrasssurvival9423
      @bluegrasssurvival9423 9 месяцев назад

      @@pcap8810 It's all about choice and what your personal needs are. Do you use your blades hard? Do you baby them? So many steels, so many choices. You decide what YOU need. Personally, I am glad that the option is available.

  • @cebuanostud
    @cebuanostud Месяц назад

    11:42 Amazing test starts here.

  • @Zero_8347
    @Zero_8347 8 месяцев назад

    I would love to see other tools use Magnacut, like screwdrivers, wrench jaws, sawsall blades, and other high demand tools that might get wet

  • @futuresonex
    @futuresonex 6 месяцев назад

    Damn, that 3V is impressive!

  • @42Hertzer
    @42Hertzer 7 месяцев назад

    Came here for the Magnacut info but got more intrigued by your MIDO watch, had to google it, is it a Ocean Star? What model? Looks the part!

  • @duybear4023
    @duybear4023 Год назад +2

    Many indestructible knives are too thick to cut well. Will a steel upgrade led to a thin knife that won't break?

  • @100BearPaw
    @100BearPaw 10 месяцев назад

    Incredible!

  • @FOI2EST
    @FOI2EST 9 месяцев назад

    what was the hardness on the two magnacut samples you had?

  • @isostaticrebound7523
    @isostaticrebound7523 4 месяца назад

    Good time to be getting into knives I guess!

  • @scoopdedoop2673
    @scoopdedoop2673 Год назад

    we need to talk. AMAZING

  • @AM-is8ve
    @AM-is8ve 8 месяцев назад

    I super wish you made folders. I live in California and fixed blade carry here is annoying. I'd instantly buy a folder from you.

  • @ecevitaltay900
    @ecevitaltay900 4 месяца назад

    Which steel do you like for the knife?

  • @JoeyKnifeInnovations
    @JoeyKnifeInnovations Год назад

    I subscribed to youre channel. I was interested in youre open analysis you seem to be curiouse. I like that 😊
    I dont know whats youre location but where I live the winter temperatures can drop down to - 20'C to - 36'C Celsius and if youre out in the forest and have to make firewood its nice to have a Leuku hanging on my belt that can replace the axe if the axe is lost in the snow. I chopped wood with a Marttiini Leuku that has Marttiinis usual chromium stainless steel and I chopped a lot wood for about a year with it everytime we made a camp. It didnt break thou had some small chips. I was wondering does anyone know how that Magmacut performs in - 20 to 36' Celsius in a long period of time?

  • @fuggleeartshow
    @fuggleeartshow Год назад

    Holy crap that delta 3v is ridiculous. I need

  • @santosknives6278
    @santosknives6278 Год назад

    Mind blown for sure

  • @ryanbingaman8229
    @ryanbingaman8229 Год назад

    Are you willing to share your recipe? I normally use Nitro-V but want to try Magnacut!

  • @kevinAuman1
    @kevinAuman1 Год назад +1

    Man I don't know exactly what he did but I recently bought a Medford Bonfire in 3v and this thing has a massively thick 7.5mm bladestock although I could have done without the hollow grind but it came with a relatively thick behind the edge bevel so I laid it back a bit and slightly convexed it by hand on diamond plates and wow it became a decent chopper and feathersticker while still being able to cut a 16penny nail then cleanly slice paper that was the first time I'd gotten a knife to do that and take almost no damage at all while still being a good performer I mean anybody can put a nail chop edge on a blade but can it also perform well in other tasks after chopping the nail?

    • @minibuns5397
      @minibuns5397 Год назад

      Video or it didn’t happen bro that’s a bold claim

  • @chinaskibukowski7747
    @chinaskibukowski7747 Год назад +17

    Delta 3V is pretty much untouchable. Insanely tough and fairly stain resistant. Magnacut looks impressive for a fully stainless steel for sure, but can't see it being better option than the Delta 3V for overall usage.

    • @daw162
      @daw162 Год назад +4

      It's sort of a coked up AEB-L, though admittedly, I'll say that I've used it only in woodworking tools. But think slicing knife with some impact testing (not twisting) and that's what woodworking will advise on in terms of knife steels.

    • @chinaskibukowski7747
      @chinaskibukowski7747 Год назад +3

      @@daw162 "coked up AEB-L" might be one of the best descriptions of a steel I've ever come across. Kudos sir, kudos!

    • @daw162
      @daw162 Год назад +2

      @@chinaskibukowski7747 It's hard to think of a short explanation of it! under the microscope, it has tiny carbides like AEB-L. it sort of wears a little longer, a little more stainless, a little more time to sharpen....
      coked up :)

    • @D00MTR33
      @D00MTR33 Год назад +4

      What's the difference between regular 3V and delta 3V?

    • @optimuscrime608
      @optimuscrime608 Год назад +2

      @@D00MTR33 the delta part.

  • @doctorbea
    @doctorbea Год назад

    Delta 3V is beastly!

  • @tphvictims5101
    @tphvictims5101 5 месяцев назад

    Amazing

  • @lindboknifeandtool
    @lindboknifeandtool Месяц назад

    Curious what all the edge thicknesses were

  • @muratmustafa4532
    @muratmustafa4532 Год назад +6

    Great video Nathan. It would be nice if you can throw in AEBL next time heat treated to the same hardness to MC. It would be interesting to see how they compare once they both pass 62.

    • @Old_School69
      @Old_School69 Год назад

      I agree, I just posted this same thing. I've dropped my balisongs from just stupid heights and they never take damage. It doesn't stay sharp long (which is great on balisongs) but no one ever tests it against 3V.

    • @AR9ify
      @AR9ify Год назад

      @@Old_School69 "stupid heights" needs it's appropriate reply "heights stupid"

    • @Old_School69
      @Old_School69 Год назад +1

      @AR9fy wtf does that mean?

  • @user-zg3vs9mt5k
    @user-zg3vs9mt5k 5 месяцев назад

    All I do in the out doors no need for a Super (hard to sharpen) Steel.
    Probably is a great steel but can you sharpen it on a sand stone in the field?

  • @maxlvledc
    @maxlvledc Год назад

    watching intently!

  • @mattszymanski4684
    @mattszymanski4684 Год назад

    Are you guys out of Wisconsin?

  • @jhonrutger3508
    @jhonrutger3508 9 дней назад

    Hey man where can I buy that super field knife?

  • @timothythedude5406
    @timothythedude5406 Год назад

    Wow you're amazing sir