Make sure to visit the Dutch Knife Exhibition to actually hold and see the knives you can buy! bit.ly/DutchKnifeExhibitionDBK So little more info on why it broke here: In steel manufacturing sometimes little bubbles of air or particles of dirt that shouldnt be in there end up the the steel. From the outside things like this can't be noticed thus we can't point the finger on anyone with this one. It doesn't happen often but it does happen. For this reason it might always be good to stress the knife you buy for your potential survival situation a bit before actually having to depend on it. Bark river will replace the knife under warranty as should all knife makers when something like this occurs.
If you guys need to end this streak of breaking knives, there's only 1 knife that will pass that test no matter how bad the curse is, the terava jakaripukko
You guys should do a cook book with recipes of some of the things yous have cooked in your videos over the years, I do a lot of cooking down in the woods and would love to try some of the recipes, just an idea 😁
You are misleading your watchers by saying Bark River has a very good warranty. They can only re-grind your knife. I've been told by them once a run is over there is no extra blade stock to make another. Just think of a bad hair cut. The barber can't put more hair on. May as well call them Barber River Knives.
@@DutchBushcraftKnives That is an absolute disgrace. Since your channel is very successful, you guys certainly drummed up a lot of business for Bark River over the years. Regardless of the customer, the knife should have been promptly replaced. But considering the amount of people who have bought Bark River knives due to your recommendation, the least they can do is replace your knife in a timely manner. It really is a shame because Bark River has great designs, and are one of the few non custom knife makers who do convex grinds, but in the last few years both their quality control and their customer service has really declined. Id be interested to see what Wakosan from virtuovioce has to say about Bark River magnacut
Because of BR made a mistake when they sent me a new sheat on warranty I had to pay 40 usd in custom. They promise to pay me back but they never did so. And yes I mailed them several times about this. So in my experience their customer service isn’t very good.
They have a great warranty on paper…. In actuality, their customer service is woefully lacking. I’ve seen many people who have had similar experience as you, unfortunately. Maybe try LT Wright. I received a knife from them that had a small gap between the scale and the tang, sent it in, and they had it back to me fixed in less than 2 weeks. Every LT Wright knife I ever bought had flawless fit and finish from the factory, and they 100% stand behind their warranty.
Their warranty is so well known because they have so many problems with new knives that require warranty repair. And they will talk to you like you’re stupid if you question anything. The warranty is a cop-out to cover their butts when they constantly make mistakes. Just like the whole “it’s partially handmade” and that why the finish is frequently messed up; again, that’s a cop out and an excuse. Plenty of other manufacturers out there that consistently get it right the first time, and when they don’t they don’t treat you like an idiot, as BRKT does on their social media.
@@evansimmons6894 The knives I’ve bought have been good and I love them. But I doubt I will buy another one because it seems like gambling if you will get a good one or not and they will not replace it if it’s bad.
@Red I understand. It’s my favorite grind as well. I wish more quality manufacturers would start making convex knives. LT Wright Does make some convex grind models, but they have a secondary micro bevel. I’m able to sharpen my knives on Japanese water stones, so it doesn’t take much effort for me to remove it and make the knife a true convex. I’m not getting rid of the Bark River knives I own simply because I love convex grind. I just wish that they would up their quality control, stop acting like a spoiled schoolgirl when receiving constructive criticism, improve their customer service, and stand behind their warranty. As they are now, I just don’t trust them enough to spend my money on any more of their knives
There was an air pocket in the Magnacut. It had nothing to do with the Jimping although you guys are correct where it would be a weak point. So with the air pocket, Jimping it was a recipe for breakage. Crucible is looking into it.
Just when I was ready to buy a Bark Rive knife I see this excellent and very informative presentation on a Bark River Knife. No shame on you guys. The knife was destined to break, no? That could have been my knife, and me. Lost in the forest at night! With no fire because my very well made, and finely finished Bark River knife contained an occlusion and broke while I prepared kindling for the life preserving warmth of the fire I desperately needed to survive. If their customer service is poor for you, the DBK You Tube legends, how will they treat me? A nobody from, nowhere USA. And obviously their quality control is worthless. No Bark River Knife for me, and thank you for breaking it before I did.
Sorry to hear all the complaints about Bark River, I've never had anything but good experiences with them but I haven't purchased a knife from them in a good many years. Only one I've still got is a Bravo 1.25 in 3V, it's a tank and it's served me well and will continue to for some time. Hopefully they get back to where they used to be, always considered them one of the best Edit: Also, jimping cuts need to be rounded to help prevent stress fractures like that, just saying. No straight lines like that!
@@user-pm7pw1tl3t Oh wow that's terrible. Mine's not a perfect 12 but it's maybe 5 minutes till at worst. One side to the other that's very few differences in grind with only one spot that's easily noticeable where the primary grind hits the top of the spine just as it starts to taper towards the tip. On one side it's perfectly straight along the line of the spine on the other side it has a slight downward angle But this knife is easily 5 years old at this point
I wish you guys would try a White River fire crafter. I have a FC5 and I love it. I think it is a great outdoors knife, but you guys are the experts. I think you would have trouble breaking it and I would love to hear what you think.
I couldn’t be bothered with brk anymore and I sold them. This video is further evidence of why to look at others. My new favourites are ASHarding knives. Fantastically made and easy to maintain.
@@alexross177 DBK has acknowledged in a different video that there HAS been issues with BRK for a while and that they hope BRK will start doing better.
I got a standard 3V Bushcrafter from the current run. Its build quality is as good if not better than any BRK I've seen. It's the only BRK (and one of very few knives of any brand) that I didn't need to resharpen out of the box - I just stropped it. My opinion is that BRK continues to be one of the best real-world outdoor knife brands, and I think they do a great job with 3V. BRK 3V has become my go-to for general field knives. No doubt, MagnaCut is going to be a great steel. But IMO, it's not the best choice for this knife. And the jimping definitely creates a stress riser. The inclusion at the break is probably also an issue. All things considered, I don't think this particular knife is the best choice for batoning.
Sorry, but there is NO reason you should apologize for breaking an expensive knife made from "super" steel, when all you did was hit it with a "soft" piece of birch wood while trying to split a 3/4 inch piece of "rotten" wood. They should be apologizing to you and refunding your money.
It's not a splitting maul it's a knife that's made for slicing. If you hammer on a thin blade with stress risers built into it in the form of jimping then it's going to eventually break. Super doesn't mean indestructible. There's a tool for every job and this is not the tool for the job he's performing.
@@steveballzack1409 Sounds like some uncut, pure, China white cope to me. 1084 knives would have survived just fine, knives made from softer but tougher steels do things like this all the time. Hell, I batoned a 1095 knife through a gnarled oak trunk with three nails in it and got out with some chipping. It even had jimping and a massive choil
@@steveballzack1409knives are designed to do light batoning lol. That is the right tool for that job. Why even have a thick blade stick on ANY knife if they’re only made for slicing? Are all these companies just purposely designing less slicer knives? Or maybe they can be used for splitting stuff 😂
@@Phaminator525From the image he was splitting at a top o fork so the wood grain will run laterally. I’d think the forces required to slit this would be beyond a bushcraft knife, you’d need an axe. So likely he used the wrong tool for the job…..
That was a year ago, so did you get another from BR? Two, then you need to repeat the testing with the replacement which will show either (1) was just lemon, bad HT, etc or (2) the knife breaks again! We need that test boys! :)
@@dispmonk I can see why they wouldn't, it would just come across as shilling. They could do a destruction test on one though I think, which they sort of have given I believe it's a variation on a TRC. TRC who happen to do rather good HT on the blades and don't suffer inconsistent grinds and field reports of chipping for instance...
I've never owned a BRK , but I handled many and sold a few as a sales person at SMKW. If you take a little time to research BRK you will find tons of documented quality complaints. Complaints from very experienced knife enthusiasts. Take them with a grain of salt, but real issues have been documented. BRK was always a little pricey for me considering there are literally hundreds of true custom makers with fixed blade models ranging in the $100.00 to $400.00 range. You also have companies like ESEE that not only make real working tools and have a steller reputation for quality but also have the warranty to back those qualities up. All in an American made product at a much more approachable price point.
They have a tough time with criticism. They likely overheat the steel in grinding And customer service seems shit. Also a personal thing, my grandma could grind those bevels. They always look crappy to me. There’s rustic and rough then there’s just idk polished turd?
bringing up esee is insane because esee is only tough because they run their steel softer than butter. esee’s warranty is only so good because they’re making so much profit selling $25 worth of materials and labor for $125+ so they can afford to replace a knife at least three times over before they even lose profit
I got a brandnew Fox River from Bark River from my wife for Christmas, and I had a blast, it was the best gift ever for me. First time I took it out for a hunt, I did gut a deer, which included opening the pelvic bone. I did this a lot with Moras, without any trouble. I couldn´t believe my eyes, the edge of the Fox River was broken at several several spots. It was my first Bark River, and it will be the last forever. A Mora for 15 Euros is way better for the job.
Moras are built to be abused severely. But you will have to sharpen them regularly as 12C27 is a rather soft steel not really holing an edge for a long time. And if they break, or you loose them, you just replace them. These extreme edge-retention super-steels are not really made for bone-smashing abuse. They are too brittle for that.
Please make an update on how bark river treats the warranty. And then test it again but harder and see if it breaks again. In pretty sure this was only a manufacturing mistake in the steel (you can clearly see the air pocket in the broken faces).
I understand you frustration from a content creator stand point... We don't mind tho. We all learned something. Bark River is in my home state of Michigan...good bunch of people there. We all knew they would stand behind it. Good job Guys
I’ve not had any issues with my Bark river knives. Granted the ones I have are the aurora and the Bushcrafter. These are made for heavier tasks. I probably wouldn’t be batoning with a .095 thick knife. This is meant for carving and light task.
I also have 2 of these first production run scouts from DLT. They are thin and slicey, I wouldn’t baton with them but I appreciate you guys doing so and hope mine doesn’t have a similar flaw. I really like the scout and Magnacut but it has its purpose. Mine were pretty well finished also. Thanks for the video guys!
The DBK knife is what bark river knives should come like. Especially for what bark river charges. TRC did a PERFECT convex & the fit & finish is also PERFECT. Never had a single bark river that didn't come with uneven grinds & or handle scales.
YEP! TRC kicked BRK's asses WAY into the next century at their own game. When I saw that DBK knife it was the first thing on my mind, ha ha ha. THAT is what BRK should have been all along. HOW embarrassing! Made in the USA.... Bla bla bla.
Of the 5 BRK blades I’ve purchased in the past few years. Two were preorders and perfectly done. The other three were more basic blades that had obvious flaws that I would imagine a collector would have returned. Luckily for me the preorders were more my treasure knives and the others just user’s which I tend to make ugly anyway...
I understand they hand grind their knives but some on the junk they put out is unacceptable. I’m stuck with one right now that is ground so horribly that the blade is bent like a banana. No response from them when emailing
Yes, Bark River knives are not what they use to be. Post your problem on their Facebook group and they will get on it right away...then block your post.
@@dlrmon1 sounds about right. I had to call them today for another issue I had with the same knife. The blade was bending behind the edge from light chopping. They said it wasn’t HT and it just needed to be ground down until it was thicker. They didn’t offer to replace it so I’ll just do the grinding myself. You can read the post on the forums if you want
I own the Bushcrafter Scout and have taken out in the woods and gave it quite a serious workout. TRUST me this knife is SO VERY worth buying. Like they stated in the end of the video...wasn't their fault nor Bark River's fault for the break. Also, as you can see, Bark River's warranty is by FAR one of it not the best in the business. So buy your Bark River knives with confidence!
Nah, their quality has droped way to low. Uneven grinds, not the best heat treatpements or steel burnt on their fast belts and so on. They are not what they once was. I would only buy a Bark River in person, to check the grinds and I would still have doupts on the steel. Once we also had reports of mixed steels too, where you had payed for a CPM Cruwear and you got an A2 instead. I wish I was lucky enough, and had got the Bravo1 LT back in the days, but I never did for some reason. Now I won't risk it, because I like to use my knives, more than just collecting them.
Meh.. I like my BR Bravo1 1 /4” thick and Bravo Alpha, but I had to ferret through 10+ Alpha’s to find an evenly ground properly made example (very annoying at their price). Both are 3v, neither are even in the same realm of edge holding as my 3v Bradfords.. the BR’s might as well be 420 by comparison. On the plus side the BR 3v is far better than 1095, just as tough, and is way easier to field sharpen than the Bradfords, so..
They should use half circle notches for the gimping instead of square notches. A square has 2 corners which make weak spots, round those corners off & viola! Instantly stronger. This same issue is what caused swords to break right at the cross guard. If the shoulders that sit on the guard are too squared itll snap.
Men, that's why after so many years in the woods and mountains, the only one great set up, is a small axe, a knife like this one, and a little folding one in your pocket. Swiss model or so... And you can resolve all your problems without breaking a knife, because a real "all purpose" knife doesn't exist... Remember Nesmuck ,scagel and so many others ! ;-) Each tool has its own job. I enjoy very much your Channel, my friends... Greatings from France. ;-)
I have Bushcrafter Scout. Today ULB ultralight Bushcrafter dropped today at three central time in United States at DLT Trading. I'm getting to try ULB for the first time soon and I am hoping it's so much better than Koster WSS
Martin oh Maarten spending money again. Personally I prefer the BRK Bravo in 3V. She has taken a locking and still remains sharp only with stropping. You guys Maarten & Mille crack me up. Your having way too much fun.
Most Important Lesson - Always have a backup to critical gear or you are rolling the dice. Also, I understand Bark River is saying there was a stray bit of sand or unicorn tear in the metal, OK. But who puts jimping like that on ANY knife, much less an expensive knife ? That design features was silly.
This channel pushed knives to their limits so we don't have to ..if you back off so you don't "break a knife" then I don't know if we will see the full potential or not of these blades
The issue must be resolved between the folks at Bark River and whoever it is that manufactures the steel. (Crucible?) Good video, guys. You did your best.
Any true bushcraft knife needs to be able to light baton and chop, otherwise a Mora companion is all you really need. And it wouldn't break doing that, but I get steel defects defeating the test. ✌️ Keep up the good work
The very reason I dont like jimping. I have broke a couple knives and each time was at the jimping. Im also not a fan of to much removal of steel under the scales. Just need the pin holes.
Jimping creates a potential break point, but in the same time it is not the only reason a blade can break. Here Martin hit the branch from the inside, something you never do even with an axe. There are 2 more reasons the blade broke. 1 is the steel which is on the super hard side, 2 is the poor heat treatments of Bark River, or the fact their belts burn the steel in the procedure to create those full convex bevels, (or both a poor heat treatment and the burnt steel) which is usually the case with the newer made Bark Rivers. You see, it takes more than a jimping for a blade to break! I'm sure you know that, I just remind them..
Though the airpocket is clearly visible in the steel if you know what to look for where that broke, and it is something that neither the manufacturer nor you could have seen from the outside, this does illustrate an important lesson. Always test your gear, and test it as hard or harder than you think you will ever have to in the field. They may have great customer service and be able to get you a new one, but if you were depending on this tool for your survival and it broke you would likely be dead long before you could get to a phone to request one. If you plan to use anything for survival, gun knife rope ect, test it first to make sure it's up to task. Great video, sad about the knife.
Actually there are ways to see inside the steel but thats equipment that Bark River may not own but they are finacialy big enough to have it in there testing department
If you break a bark River they replace it indefinitely….. this is a one off issue with a new steel. There is obvious voids in the steel from crucible. Regardless who batons with a .093 blade?
Try LT Wright. They have an unlimited, no questions asked warranty that follows the knife, excellent customer service, an flawless fit and finish from the factory. I own at least 10 of them, and every one exceeded my expectations
I love all your videos! They have a "hanging out at my friend's house as a teenager" vibe to them. I am looking at the USMC OKC-3S and noticed that you were both very disappointed with the performance of the USMC classic K-bar. I too was disappointed with the knife as a teen when I threw it against a tree and the handle exploded! I see that the OKC-3S is considered as a replacement for the K-bar, and has the added benefit of being a bayonet. When I scrubbed RUclips for a decent review of the knife, nothing came close to the trials and tribulations the two of you at DBK put your knives through. If your country allows it, can you please do a review of the USMC OKC-3S (and maybe throw it at a tree for me)? Maybe the K-Bar's descendant can redeem the good name of a USMC fighting knife!
Right now I'm disgusted with Russia. Nothing but a bunch of farmer's at the controls of tanks. What an embarrassment to any professional military. I'd be embarrassed if I were Putin. No better than a 2 bit thug.
You are a big brained soldier 🤣 But no, you are completely right about the Jimping, that looks like a clean split. Yeah there are other "reasons why" but I blame the Jimping.
Jackknife68 said Bark River was slacking of. But he didn't mean their steel was shitty-Bark River sure doesn't forge themselves. I'm buying Bark River Knives once their QC has gone up. And this is someone saying above $200 can be justified. But this fit and finish, performance won't do. Up your game and I'm up.
You do realize if you ever break a bark River knife they will replace it for you? Literally indefinitely…. No sane person batons with a .093 blade… in addition there is obvious voids in the material from the new magna cut from crucible.
It was the extreme stresses incurred before the actual break that weakened the knife in that area. That knife too some serious impacts before the break. It probably suffered a stress fracture that didn't manifest into a break until it actually did.
Yep, stress risers will do that. Probably had a fatigue crack already forming from the earlier batoning. Yet another reason to avoid jimping on a fixed blade.
Adventure sworn >>>>>>>>>>>>> bark river Perfect handle, perfect finish, DBK should try them out. After Adventure sworn. Bark river became regular product to me. I haven’t tried “AA forge” knives yet. Also heard they are also great.
i honestly don't understand jimping as well. QC on the CPM process is in question here, how did the impurity get in there? Thought the whole point of powder metallurgy was this can't happen.
Have they fixed the problem? and what happen to those knives that were made from the same batch? Was it due to the bad heat treatments? Did you have a good response from Bark River Knives?
So are you going to get that same knife and try again? I have 5 bark river knives in 3v and 1 in cruwear and I have used them all very hard with no issues. I hope the next magnacut knife would be much better.
I'm glad I watched this, I'm sorry you broke another knife, it seems like there was a reasonable explanation but still BUMMER! I love bark river, I hope you can get a new blade.
Ah Bark River. They do photograph well. But in my experience, the frequent complaints aren't just due to them selling a large volume (as they claim). I tried to get into them, and 3 of the 5 I bought had significant gaps between the handle and tang. One had a burnt grind, one came with micro-chips, one chipped instantly cutting tape, two had knicks in the tang, one had gouge/gap in the tang...inconsistent handle finishing on most. Just not up to their pricetag.
You just have bad luck with Bark River it seems and I am sorry about that. I have three Bark Rivers and all perfect. The last I bought used I adorned with a new Patriot leather sheath. Love the combo. Good luck.
DBK, maybe you can do a video comparing Elmax to Magnacut. 🤔 I've always wanted an all weather, high corrosion resistant, batoning knife... something that will hold up to batoning soft pine, and also harder oak, ash, etc. Something that holds a good edge. I could care less about how well it cuts a sheet of paper. I just want to know that with a more obtuse geometry, dare say a Scandi grind, that sucker is going to be able to drive vertically through a 4-6 inch wide log with a few hits of a baton. That's why the GSO 5.1, GSO 6 and GSO 8 appeal to me. But with allllll the Magnacut issues Guy at Survive is dealing with, maybe Magnacut is luck of the draw if you end up with a good one or not. For all weather, high corrosion resistance, is Magnacut the best, Elmax 2nd, or ??? Are Elmax and Magnacut the same thing, or how far apart are they? i.e. what would be the next best metal for that whole batoning knife situation if Magnacut isn't an option? Can you rank the steel options by #1, #2, #3, #4? Thanks in advance. 🙏
I know they gave Pete from Cedric and Ada a knife that was suppose to be one metal and turned out to be the wrong metal. That has worried me ever since.
@@dispmonk I dont know who that was intended for. But I can tell you I have personally owned right around 10 BRK and their quality has slipped. How many have you owned? Not that it really matters, dont be so emotional its just a knife. Its ok that you like BRK but you are acting like a spoiled rich kid taking shots at people that dont see things your way.
My experience with bark river was really shoddy. I bought mine about three years ago maybe. And in that time I bent the tip twice, and waved the edge while chopping down a pine tree. And this was a Aurora Inn CPM 3V. I bought it because of Maartin's love for the Aurora. And I'm not saying he's wrong but. None of that should happen. And I upgraded to a tops silent hero and have never gone back.
Dang, you don't want to stroll through the DBK woods in your bare feet. Some day in the distant future, archeologists are going to think a great battle took place in the DBK woods with all the broken blades.
Hello from Griffin, Georgia. USA Love your show guys ! Quick question, not related to this video. Have you done a review on a "ROTHCO Bodyguard " it's a "SOG recon" knockoff. I've recently purchased a ROTHCO Bodyguard for $30 . I immediately recognized the style and design. It seems like a good knife. Keep up the good work sirs
Bark River isn’t what it used to be. I think they just got too big, put out too many variations and inevitably started to cut corners and QC. I bet if they scaled back a bit the quality would improve.
I have 4 bark rivers bought at same time. If tou stare at the tip to your face and with edge up...my god it is crooked its not even close to being centerd. Its legit at 10 o clock not even 11. It absolutly pathetic. Most of time with any knife its slightlt of but barkriver is a dam joke with this test.
I agree. I have owned about 10 BRK and all my older ones were perfect. I special pre-ordered one that was built in late 2020 and the fit finish and overall craftsmanship was clearly lower. They also shipped the run with a smaller cheaper sheath than was advertised when I put down my deposit. Still a great knife, but LT Wright gets all my business now.
While QC was not perfect before. I really noticed a marked decline in quality during this pandemic. Also noticed that the problems with QC were on the opposite side of what’s photographed...
This one had nothing to do with Bark River, though. They get the billets from Crucible. The billet that knife was made from had inclusions on the inside. Now, could Bark River do some sort of inspection of each billet before using it? I have no idea. I'm guessing, however, that QC for the raw material is the responsibility of the supplier, while the knife-maker will only QC the fit/finish/grind/treatment of the finished product.
The mini tundra in elmax first production chipped and broke like glass at least mine did I still have to send it back I’m sure they have fixed the heat treatment on the elmax by now
Also fatigue and micro cracks. When you were batoning earlier with the logs you could have created micro cracks/fissures that became catastrophic later on. That's why I never baton very hard with my knife (basically just kindling). If a log needs to be split, just use a wooden wedge
@@Simon-talks depends on what you're batoning. You can baton with a swiss army knife if you know the limits. But yea I'd say that DBK goes overkill, which is what we want to see and know. But I think they should add food/animal/game prep to their tests. A Becker is going to completely fail I those categories compared to the lowly opinel. They do test to failure though. Which most places won't which is perfect. I still don't think a
@@torfinnjohnsrud793 Yes you are not suppose to baton a large thick chopping wood with a tiny super thin knife Like they did in the beginning of the video lol 😂
Anyone else noticed how many "super steel" knives snap? When you are pushing the performance limits of anything, you get problems. Race horses get lots of injuries, cart horses go on working daily for years. Race engines need rebuilding constantly, an old diesel van will go on for years. I'll take a reliable diesel van of a knife over an expensive super knife any day. Even if I do need to sharpen it more often. And let's face it, we all love to tickle our edges 😁
Well, to be fair, no one should be doing what DBK does to knives....lol. The advantage to super steels and their hardness is long term edge sharpness and retention....which is what you want for doing what knives should be doing...slicing and cutting. Not repeatedly rammed through large rounds of wood, metal pans, etc. There's a reason we invented the axe. Common sense would dictate if you plan on treating your knife like an axe all the time....go with a softer steel like 1095, 1075, 5160, etc. That said, companies like Fallkniven have the right idea with laminated steels where you get the best of both worlds. Long edge retention with ridiculous strength.
@@pennsyltuckyreb9800 I totally agree. I beat my knives constantly and use them as a can opener, axe, scraper, digging tool and sometimes as a knife. That's why I use cheaper carbon steel. I do lust after these super steels though, I just don't think I deserve them 😅
the only super steels that break are the ones that literally aren’t meant to be beat on. something in 3v, cruwear, vanadis 4, even stuff like k390 will take ten times more abuse than a cheaper steel
They do. The Aurora Scandi will be out in a couple of weeks. They will be making others as well this year, Gunny Scandi, Bravo 1 LT, and if they will eventually make the Bravo 1 in MagnaCut once they can get the thicker steel from Crucible.
Every knife steel can have a little flaw in it and that's why you should test the knife hard at home before depending your life on it in the outdoors. Basically also the only time where a good warranty is important. I have ALWAYS said that jimping is useless and weakens the knife. I agree with Maarten on that. I have asked many knife makers why they put jimping on the knives and never got an answer that made sense. This jimping even looks pretty aggressive so that knife would be a no for me instantly. The reason some people mention is to have better grip and control but that's bs also. If that was true professional kitchen knives, butcher knives, fish processing knives, etc. would all have adopted it since these knives are in use all day and NONE of them have jimping. It's just some 'bushcraft and survival' fetish.
If jimping is done correct and on the right steel, then I do not see any issues. To me the BRK jimping on this knife looks terrible, but i.e. on a TRC South Pole it's done beautifully and I really doubt it in that this case making the South Pole more fragile, to the point you can't depend on it. I agree with everything you said, don't get me wrong, I just wanted to add that it can be done and be safe on some knives made correctly in the first place.
@@jacobpetersen5662 I agree that TRC does pay a lot of intention to that part. It's smooth jimping with rounded corners. They are not useful but also not in the way. I personally still prefer no jimping at all, but that's just me. I also agree the jimping on the BRK are way to aggressive and straight that might cause problems as it shows.
I can confirm: the jimping on that knife is so aggressive that it hurts to use. Basically it's a knife for nobody but it's the first knife BR did in magna cut so it sold out instantly and is already up on DLT for a second round of pre-ordering.
@@fredherring4403 It's a very competitive but still growing market out there. So it becomes a lot about style also. And different steels of course. So this mangacut is hot now. They make money and I can't blame them. That's what a business is all about. Just like the boys have a business about making videos. It's still the consumer who gets to decide. A lot of people will buy this new knife but never use it. I have plenty of knives I have not and will not use. I'm a collector also. But my user knives are all functional knives for what I consider to be functional. But again very much agree that the smooth jimping of TRC is not an immediate deal breaker for me where the looks of the jimping on this knife definitely is. It looks way to aggressive. It's not for me.
BRK's are nice. I own a couple of them and because of the price I'm usually careful not to smack the boogers out of them. Nice shot at the end where you show the tiny metal imperfection (stuff happens). I always appreciate your vids and even when you don't mean to bust something, just like life, stuff happens.
The day DBK tries out some Spyderco fixed blades like the Zoomer, Province, Proficient, and maybe a few others ;), will be a pleasant day. Even if they ultimately don’t like them. I just think it’ll be neat to watch. Spyderco fixed blades are the most underrated out there and with very few RUclips testing videos. Side note, Spyderco makes some incredible knives like their Proficient and Province, but they get discontinued way too soon because their market is primarily folding knives. It’s tragic, imo. The Zoomer is ridiculous for a production knife and fortunately hasn’t been discontinued yet, but the others that have are still worth checking out too!
I just love Serrata! Zoomer seems like a good knife for me, but I don't like the belt loop on the sheath being a triangle. It looks too fancy and weak. It's prissy.
@@ssunfish Serrata is also a really neat knife and I’ve seen back and forth between the designer and Spyderco about doing another similar knife. The Zoomer is definitely one for those that like fancy and ultra comfortable tools. I think the leather is pretty thick. I haven’t seen any complaints about the loop personally, but the sheath has the same luxury vibes as the knife itself. I think it’s probably the best convex ground production bushcraft knife by a wide margin, though.
JOE X is the channel if you want to see which knives are durable. He smacked the Esee and KaBar 1 time on concrete and they broke like glass. He beats the hell out of knives in extreme torture test. He smacked the Gerber Strongarm on concrete for like 10 minutes straight and it didn't break. He hammers knives into wood and tries to bend them sideways to see if they break. He stabs them through cars over and over. Beats them against metal. The popular brands are the ones that I've seen break the easiest.
Man I wish I could find a scout. Iv seen a few on the bark river group but they last seconds. I need to get in on the next preorder. Would have been better without jimping.
I've been mulling over buying a crusader but I think BRK is cut off until I start hearing some rave reviews. Damn shame really love some of thier knives but I'm not taking anymore in the back on quality
More likely bark river are cutting their blanks against the rolling direction of the sheets to make best use of materials. Segregated carbides strings form in the direction the sheet is hot rolled. The knife “should” be cut in the same orientation for the least risk of failure. Micro cracks are more likely initiated on that drilled gimping too. Cracks propagate along the carbide string and *ping* $400 down the toilet. Quite possibly sub par HT also.
@@jwa9249 I believe fatigue strength is actually considerably lower in waterjet cut materials vs milling?.could be wrong though.. Either way, those holes are stress risers for cracks to initiate (and potentially propagate along a string of carbides)
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So little more info on why it broke here:
In steel manufacturing sometimes little bubbles of air or particles of dirt that shouldnt be in there end up the the steel. From the outside things like this can't be noticed thus we can't point the finger on anyone with this one. It doesn't happen often but it does happen. For this reason it might always be good to stress the knife you buy for your potential survival situation a bit before actually having to depend on it. Bark river will replace the knife under warranty as should all knife makers when something like this occurs.
If you guys need to end this streak of breaking knives, there's only 1 knife that will pass that test no matter how bad the curse is, the terava jakaripukko
You guys should do a cook book with recipes of some of the things yous have cooked in your videos over the years, I do a lot of cooking down in the woods and would love to try some of the recipes, just an idea 😁
Review a Cold Steel Drop Forged knife and see if you can break it. I bet it would sail through your destruction tests
Also someone on YT needs to give Cold Steel's 52100 steel a test.
You are misleading your watchers by saying Bark River has a very good warranty. They can only re-grind your knife. I've been told by them once a run is over there is no extra blade stock to make another. Just think of a bad hair cut. The barber can't put more hair on. May as well call them Barber River Knives.
You gentlemen keep the knife companies honest. Period.
Exposing any weakness, yet highlighting their capabilities. Damn fine work.
"DO" break more knives. Stress testing sometimes results in breaking. It shows vulnerabilities that "normal" use won't uncover. Good work guys!
This knife deserves a pt.2! MAKE DBK SEE THIS!
I haven't gotten my warranty replacement yet... Almost been a year
@@DutchBushcraftKnives That is an absolute disgrace. Since your channel is very successful, you guys certainly drummed up a lot of business for Bark River over the years. Regardless of the customer, the knife should have been promptly replaced. But considering the amount of people who have bought Bark River knives due to your recommendation, the least they can do is replace your knife in a timely manner. It really is a shame because Bark River has great designs, and are one of the few non custom knife makers who do convex grinds, but in the last few years both their quality control and their customer service has really declined. Id be interested to see what Wakosan from virtuovioce has to say about Bark River magnacut
@@DutchBushcraftKnives So what does Bark River have to say why they haven't replaced your knife?
@@buckfynnhey said on another video they have not received a reply to emails
@@DutchBushcraftKnives Do you mean they're not punctual? Well, it's been two years since you promised yo send DBK knife to Lily...
Because of BR made a mistake when they sent me a new sheat on warranty I had to pay 40 usd in custom. They promise to pay me back but they never did so. And yes I mailed them several times about this. So in my experience their customer service isn’t very good.
They have a great warranty on paper…. In actuality, their customer service is woefully lacking. I’ve seen many people who have had similar experience as you, unfortunately. Maybe try LT Wright. I received a knife from them that had a small gap between the scale and the tang, sent it in, and they had it back to me fixed in less than 2 weeks. Every LT Wright knife I ever bought had flawless fit and finish from the factory, and they 100% stand behind their warranty.
@@1mataleo1 I am so in love with convex so that is all I buy on a fixed knife. But I have Fällkniven for my work horse.
Their warranty is so well known because they have so many problems with new knives that require warranty repair. And they will talk to you like you’re stupid if you question anything. The warranty is a cop-out to cover their butts when they constantly make mistakes. Just like the whole “it’s partially handmade” and that why the finish is frequently messed up; again, that’s a cop out and an excuse.
Plenty of other manufacturers out there that consistently get it right the first time, and when they don’t they don’t treat you like an idiot, as BRKT does on their social media.
@@evansimmons6894 The knives I’ve bought have been good and I love them. But I doubt I will buy another one because it seems like gambling if you will get a good one or not and they will not replace it if it’s bad.
@Red I understand. It’s my favorite grind as well. I wish more quality manufacturers would start making convex knives. LT Wright Does make some convex grind models, but they have a secondary micro bevel. I’m able to sharpen my knives on Japanese water stones, so it doesn’t take much effort for me to remove it and make the knife a true convex. I’m not getting rid of the Bark River knives I own simply because I love convex grind. I just wish that they would up their quality control, stop acting like a spoiled schoolgirl when receiving constructive criticism, improve their customer service, and stand behind their warranty. As they are now, I just don’t trust them enough to spend my money on any more of their knives
You know what funny is? You know what is funny? That was a genuine friend moment haha
The knife gods count all these up, you know.
In purgatory, they'll be put through the same toughness tests by the knives they destroyed 😱
Worse than the Death of a thousand cuts
There was an air pocket in the Magnacut. It had nothing to do with the Jimping although you guys are correct where it would be a weak point. So with the air pocket, Jimping it was a recipe for breakage. Crucible is looking into it.
It seems disconcerting, I feel like the powder metallurgical process would preclude air pockets from being a problem, but I'm no expert on it.
@@DL-ij7tf I agree, you’re no expert.
Yes, you can clearly see the air pocket in the shot where they show the broken faces. This should be a rare Manufacturing mistake.
@@jimihenrik11 should be rare but the fact that DBK has it in one of their knives means it’s probably in most of the knives.
Dude lol
Just when I was ready to buy a Bark Rive knife I see this excellent and very informative presentation on a Bark River Knife.
No shame on you guys. The knife was destined to break, no?
That could have been my knife, and me. Lost in the forest at night! With no fire because my very well made, and finely finished Bark River knife contained an occlusion and broke while I prepared kindling for the life preserving warmth of the fire I desperately needed to survive.
If their customer service is poor for you, the DBK You Tube legends, how will they treat me? A nobody from, nowhere USA.
And obviously their quality control is worthless.
No Bark River Knife for me, and thank you for breaking it before I did.
Sorry to hear all the complaints about Bark River, I've never had anything but good experiences with them but I haven't purchased a knife from them in a good many years. Only one I've still got is a Bravo 1.25 in 3V, it's a tank and it's served me well and will continue to for some time. Hopefully they get back to where they used to be, always considered them one of the best
Edit: Also, jimping cuts need to be rounded to help prevent stress fractures like that, just saying. No straight lines like that!
Stare with the tip at your face and edge up how crooked is yours. My is ar 10 o clock crooked its ridiculous.
@@user-pm7pw1tl3t Oh wow that's terrible. Mine's not a perfect 12 but it's maybe 5 minutes till at worst. One side to the other that's very few differences in grind with only one spot that's easily noticeable where the primary grind hits the top of the spine just as it starts to taper towards the tip. On one side it's perfectly straight along the line of the spine on the other side it has a slight downward angle
But this knife is easily 5 years old at this point
@@user-pm7pw1tl3t That doesn't effect the function one bit though
Jimping literally is U shaped.
@@zeuqramjj2002 Well then that's how it should be 👍. About the best you can do if you're going to have jimping.
I wish you guys would try a White River fire crafter. I have a FC5 and I love it. I think it is a great outdoors knife, but you guys are the experts. I think you would have trouble breaking it and I would love to hear what you think.
I couldn’t be bothered with brk anymore and I sold them. This video is further evidence of why to look at others. My new favourites are ASHarding knives. Fantastically made and easy to maintain.
They even said in the video the knife breaking has nothing to with BRK.
@@alexross177 DBK has acknowledged in a different video that there HAS been issues with BRK for a while and that they hope BRK will start doing better.
@@jacobpetersen5662 The thing is THIS TIME its not their fault. Which is said by DBK this time. But but but. NO. Read the room.
Bark was my dream brand until they went downhill. Thank you for all you do!
I got a standard 3V Bushcrafter from the current run. Its build quality is as good if not better than any BRK I've seen. It's the only BRK (and one of very few knives of any brand) that I didn't need to resharpen out of the box - I just stropped it.
My opinion is that BRK continues to be one of the best real-world outdoor knife brands, and I think they do a great job with 3V. BRK 3V has become my go-to for general field knives.
No doubt, MagnaCut is going to be a great steel. But IMO, it's not the best choice for this knife. And the jimping definitely creates a stress riser. The inclusion at the break is probably also an issue.
All things considered, I don't think this particular knife is the best choice for batoning.
This is why I always love your videos...sometimes things are unexpected
Sorry, but there is NO reason you should apologize for breaking an expensive knife made from "super" steel, when all you did was hit it with a "soft" piece of birch wood while trying to split a 3/4 inch piece of "rotten" wood. They should be apologizing to you and refunding your money.
It's not a splitting maul it's a knife that's made for slicing. If you hammer on a thin blade with stress risers built into it in the form of jimping then it's going to eventually break. Super doesn't mean indestructible. There's a tool for every job and this is not the tool for the job he's performing.
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Sounds like some uncut, pure, China white cope to me. 1084 knives would have survived just fine, knives made from softer but tougher steels do things like this all the time. Hell, I batoned a 1095 knife through a gnarled oak trunk with three nails in it and got out with some chipping. It even had jimping and a massive choil
@@steveballzack1409knives are designed to do light batoning lol. That is the right tool for that job. Why even have a thick blade stick on ANY knife if they’re only made for slicing? Are all these companies just purposely designing less slicer knives? Or maybe they can be used for splitting stuff 😂
@@steveballzack1409 supposedly worse knives do better. it's a tool, not a display piece.
@@Phaminator525From the image he was splitting at a top o fork so the wood grain will run laterally. I’d think the forces required to slit this would be beyond a bushcraft knife, you’d need an axe. So likely he used the wrong tool for the job…..
That was a year ago, so did you get another from BR? Two, then you need to repeat the testing with the replacement which will show either (1) was just lemon, bad HT, etc or (2) the knife breaks again! We need that test boys! :)
Martin is like that kid who breaks his own toy and then tries to break yours.
…. After crying about it first. I’ve never seen a grown man publicly display such pathetic behavior.
@@dispmonk Not being able to take criticism (for not even your own product?...) is just as pathetic.
@@GoodDaySir Exactly that’s why they didn’t review their own blade.
@@dispmonk I can see why they wouldn't, it would just come across as shilling. They could do a destruction test on one though I think, which they sort of have given I believe it's a variation on a TRC. TRC who happen to do rather good HT on the blades and don't suffer inconsistent grinds and field reports of chipping for instance...
@@GoodDaySir I broke my DBK tip doing a feather stick.
I've never owned a BRK , but I handled many and sold a few as a sales person at SMKW. If you take a little time to research BRK you will find tons of documented quality complaints. Complaints from very experienced knife enthusiasts. Take them with a grain of salt, but real issues have been documented.
BRK was always a little pricey for me considering there are literally hundreds of true custom makers with fixed blade models ranging in the $100.00 to $400.00 range. You also have companies like ESEE that not only make real working tools and have a steller reputation for quality but also have the warranty to back those qualities up. All in an American made product at a much more approachable price point.
They have a tough time with criticism.
They likely overheat the steel in grinding
And customer service seems shit.
Also a personal thing, my grandma could grind those bevels. They always look crappy to me. There’s rustic and rough then there’s just idk polished turd?
bringing up esee is insane because esee is only tough because they run their steel softer than butter. esee’s warranty is only so good because they’re making so much profit selling $25 worth of materials and labor for $125+ so they can afford to replace a knife at least three times over before they even lose profit
@@acid6urns, wow....Tell us that Esee knives touched you inappropriately as a child without actually saying it.
I got a brandnew Fox River from Bark River from my wife for Christmas, and I had a blast, it was the best gift ever for me.
First time I took it out for a hunt, I did gut a deer, which included opening the pelvic bone.
I did this a lot with Moras, without any trouble.
I couldn´t believe my eyes, the edge of the Fox River was broken at several several spots.
It was my first Bark River, and it will be the last forever.
A Mora for 15 Euros is way better for the job.
Moras are built to be abused severely.
But you will have to sharpen them regularly as 12C27 is a rather soft steel not really holing an edge for a long time.
And if they break, or you loose them, you just replace them.
These extreme edge-retention super-steels are not really made for bone-smashing abuse. They are too brittle for that.
Please make an update on how bark river treats the warranty. And then test it again but harder and see if it breaks again. In pretty sure this was only a manufacturing mistake in the steel (you can clearly see the air pocket in the broken faces).
Air pocket?????????
for the price a Bark River costs in Europe, that knife should come without flaws, and no second-choice steel.
I have scout too. dont think it is impurities in the steel, the jimoping is very sharp and blade is very thin, it would snap anyway
I understand you frustration from a content creator stand point... We don't mind tho. We all learned something. Bark River is in my home state of Michigan...good bunch of people there. We all knew they would stand behind it. Good job Guys
I’ve not had any issues with my Bark river knives. Granted the ones I have are the aurora and the Bushcrafter. These are made for heavier tasks. I probably wouldn’t be batoning with a .095 thick knife. This is meant for carving and light task.
Why not they've done it with many many many other similar cheaper knives that didn't break
I also have 2 of these first production run scouts from DLT. They are thin and slicey, I wouldn’t baton with them but I appreciate you guys doing so and hope mine doesn’t have a similar flaw. I really like the scout and Magnacut but it has its purpose. Mine were pretty well finished also. Thanks for the video guys!
The DBK knife is what bark river knives should come like. Especially for what bark river charges.
TRC did a PERFECT convex & the fit & finish is also PERFECT.
Never had a single bark river that didn't come with uneven grinds & or handle scales.
YEP! TRC kicked BRK's asses WAY into the next century at their own game. When I saw that DBK knife it was the first thing on my mind, ha ha ha. THAT is what BRK should have been all along. HOW embarrassing! Made in the USA.... Bla bla bla.
Of the 5 BRK blades I’ve purchased in the past few years. Two were preorders and perfectly done. The other three were more basic blades that had obvious flaws that I would imagine a collector would have returned. Luckily for me the preorders were more my treasure knives and the others just user’s which I tend to make ugly anyway...
Return them . Don’t let them get away with that garbage
I understand they hand grind their knives but some on the junk they put out is unacceptable. I’m stuck with one right now that is ground so horribly that the blade is bent like a banana. No response from them when emailing
Yes, Bark River knives are not what they use to be. Post your problem on their Facebook group and they will get on it right away...then block your post.
@@dlrmon1 sounds about right. I had to call them today for another issue I had with the same knife. The blade was bending behind the edge from light chopping. They said it wasn’t HT and it just needed to be ground down until it was thicker. They didn’t offer to replace it so I’ll just do the grinding myself. You can read the post on the forums if you want
@@j.shorter4716 which forum
FINALLY. THANK YOU!!!!!!!
I own the Bushcrafter Scout and have taken out in the woods and gave it quite a serious workout. TRUST me this knife is SO VERY worth buying. Like they stated in the end of the video...wasn't their fault nor Bark River's fault for the break. Also, as you can see, Bark River's warranty is by FAR one of it not the best in the business. So buy your Bark River knives with confidence!
Nah, their quality has droped way to low. Uneven grinds, not the best heat treatpements or steel burnt on their fast belts and so on. They are not what they once was. I would only buy a Bark River in person, to check the grinds and I would still have doupts on the steel. Once we also had reports of mixed steels too, where you had payed for a CPM Cruwear and you got an A2 instead. I wish I was lucky enough, and had got the Bravo1 LT back in the days, but I never did for some reason. Now I won't risk it, because I like to use my knives, more than just collecting them.
Meh.. I like my BR Bravo1 1 /4” thick and Bravo Alpha, but I had to ferret through 10+ Alpha’s to find an evenly ground properly made example (very annoying at their price). Both are 3v, neither are even in the same realm of edge holding as my 3v Bradfords.. the BR’s might as well be 420 by comparison.
On the plus side the BR 3v is far better than 1095, just as tough, and is way easier to field sharpen than the Bradfords, so..
Shut up fanboy
They should use half circle notches for the gimping instead of square notches. A square has 2 corners which make weak spots, round those corners off & viola! Instantly stronger. This same issue is what caused swords to break right at the cross guard. If the shoulders that sit on the guard are too squared itll snap.
The gimping is round...
Absolutely. Looked like there may have been beach marks on the top of the blade where stress cracks were forming.
Men, that's why after so many years in the woods and mountains, the only one great set up, is a small axe, a knife like this one, and a little folding one in your pocket. Swiss model or so... And you can resolve all your problems without breaking a knife, because a real "all purpose" knife doesn't exist...
Remember Nesmuck ,scagel and so many others ! ;-)
Each tool has its own job.
I enjoy very much your Channel, my friends...
Greatings from France. ;-)
I have Bushcrafter Scout. Today ULB ultralight Bushcrafter dropped today at three central time in United States at DLT Trading. I'm getting to try ULB for the first time soon and I am hoping it's so much better than Koster WSS
Martin oh Maarten spending money again. Personally I prefer the BRK Bravo in 3V. She has taken a locking and still remains sharp only with stropping. You guys Maarten & Mille crack me up. Your having way too much fun.
Most Important Lesson - Always have a backup to critical gear or you are rolling the dice.
Also, I understand Bark River is saying there was a stray bit of sand or unicorn tear in the metal, OK. But who puts jimping like that on ANY knife, much less an expensive knife ? That design features was silly.
I agree with the jimpings not helping.its a stress riser and I feel like they don't add anything
Two is one and one is none
This channel pushed knives to their limits so we don't have to ..if you back off so you don't "break a knife" then I don't know if we will see the full potential or not of these blades
@Jack Bourbon Yeah he's crazy I'm just saying if a knife breaks batoning a twig let it break
This dude… He did his part
You guys make me laugh so hard. Thanks again for the information and my apologies for the bad luck with the inclusion in the Magna-Cut.
I have a bark fiver bravo 1.5 I bought in 2018 it has been a indestructible beast i.
The issue must be resolved between the folks at Bark River and whoever it is that manufactures the steel. (Crucible?)
Good video, guys. You did your best.
Any true bushcraft knife needs to be able to light baton and chop, otherwise a Mora companion is all you really need. And it wouldn't break doing that, but I get steel defects defeating the test. ✌️ Keep up the good work
Better than every TV Show!
Go on boys!
Danke schon mein Freund
Looking at that gimping...why the heck did they cut it sooo deep???
They cant keep getting away with this!
Getting away with what? They said they would replace the knife.
The very reason I dont like jimping. I have broke a couple knives and each time was at the jimping. Im also not a fan of to much removal of steel under the scales. Just need the pin holes.
Jimping creates a potential break point, but in the same time it is not the only reason a blade can break. Here Martin hit the branch from the inside, something you never do even with an axe. There are 2 more reasons the blade broke. 1 is the steel which is on the super hard side, 2 is the poor heat treatments of Bark River, or the fact their belts burn the steel in the procedure to create those full convex bevels, (or both a poor heat treatment and the burnt steel) which is usually the case with the newer made Bark Rivers. You see, it takes more than a jimping for a blade to break! I'm sure you know that, I just remind them..
Though the airpocket is clearly visible in the steel if you know what to look for where that broke, and it is something that neither the manufacturer nor you could have seen from the outside, this does illustrate an important lesson. Always test your gear, and test it as hard or harder than you think you will ever have to in the field. They may have great customer service and be able to get you a new one, but if you were depending on this tool for your survival and it broke you would likely be dead long before you could get to a phone to request one. If you plan to use anything for survival, gun knife rope ect, test it first to make sure it's up to task. Great video, sad about the knife.
Thanks a lot! My thoughts exactly
Actually there are ways to see inside the steel but thats equipment that Bark River may not own but they are finacialy big enough to have it in there testing department
This should NEVER happen using crucible particle metalurgy. That is the point of this technology.
Great video and once again the comment section is extremely helpful. All this is making me think of alternatives to bark river.
If you break a bark River they replace it indefinitely….. this is a one off issue with a new steel. There is obvious voids in the steel from crucible. Regardless who batons with a .093 blade?
Try LT Wright. They have an unlimited, no questions asked warranty that follows the knife, excellent customer service, an flawless fit and finish from the factory. I own at least 10 of them, and every one exceeded my expectations
I’m sorry that Martin’s beautiful bark river knife in magnacut broke … I know he really loved that knife … I feel sad for him
The fact they still started the fire with the knife at the end was actually badass
I love all your videos! They have a "hanging out at my friend's house as a teenager" vibe to them. I am looking at the USMC OKC-3S and noticed that you were both very disappointed with the performance of the USMC classic K-bar. I too was disappointed with the knife as a teen when I threw it against a tree and the handle exploded! I see that the OKC-3S is considered as a replacement for the K-bar, and has the added benefit of being a bayonet. When I scrubbed RUclips for a decent review of the knife, nothing came close to the trials and tribulations the two of you at DBK put your knives through. If your country allows it, can you please do a review of the USMC OKC-3S (and maybe throw it at a tree for me)? Maybe the K-Bar's descendant can redeem the good name of a USMC fighting knife!
It’s Russia’s fault your knife broke🤯
😂
Да-да, именно так.
Это я, тот самый Русский, из-за которого этот нож решил сломаться ...
I dont get it.
edit: nvm my bad, missed it the first time watching.
Right now I'm disgusted with Russia. Nothing but a bunch of farmer's at the controls of tanks. What an embarrassment to any professional military. I'd be embarrassed if I were Putin. No better than a 2 bit thug.
@Johnnie Turner better than worse than Isis
Thank you.
Did Mike reveal the HRC? The aimable hardness is between 60-63.
if im not mistaken it's at 62+/-
The guys could really use a hardness tester
You are a big brained soldier 🤣
But no, you are completely right about the Jimping, that looks like a clean split. Yeah there are other "reasons why" but I blame the Jimping.
Jackknife68 said Bark River was slacking of. But he didn't mean their steel was shitty-Bark River sure doesn't forge themselves.
I'm buying Bark River Knives once their QC has gone up. And this is someone saying above $200 can be justified. But this fit and finish, performance won't do. Up your game and I'm up.
Glad I saw this before I went and got one
You do realize if you ever break a bark River knife they will replace it for you? Literally indefinitely…. No sane person batons with a .093 blade… in addition there is obvious voids in the material from the new magna cut from crucible.
Wait, you were going to buy this to baton with?!? wtf 🤣
rate of cooling varies in the thickness this is why tempering is immediately done after heat treatment though i barely know what i am talking about
Holymoly what did you do! 😂 It broke the Bark River Logo!
It was the extreme stresses incurred before the actual break that weakened the knife in that area. That knife too some serious impacts before the break. It probably suffered a stress fracture that didn't manifest into a break until it actually did.
Yep, stress risers will do that. Probably had a fatigue crack already forming from the earlier batoning. Yet another reason to avoid jimping on a fixed blade.
Barf River. Yeah, I said it!
Have you tried LT Wright or Adventure sworn? Better than bark river imo
Adventure sworn >>>>>>>>>>>>> bark river
Perfect handle, perfect finish, DBK should try them out. After Adventure sworn. Bark river became regular product to me.
I haven’t tried “AA forge” knives yet. Also heard they are also great.
i honestly don't understand jimping as well. QC on the CPM process is in question here, how did the impurity get in there? Thought the whole point of powder metallurgy was this can't happen.
Maybe Bark River is cutting corners and getting their steel from China and not telling anyone?
Have they fixed the problem? and what happen to those knives that were made from the same batch? Was it due to the bad heat treatments? Did you have a good response from Bark River Knives?
So are you going to get that same knife and try again? I have 5 bark river knives in 3v and 1 in cruwear and I have used them all very hard with no issues. I hope the next magnacut knife would be much better.
Lol… Who batons with a .093 knife? Regardless of steel… 😂🤦♂️
@Dino DIY not a .093 thick blade guy.
The morakniv blade is 3.20mm/0.126in
Not 2.3mm
I'm glad I watched this, I'm sorry you broke another knife, it seems like there was a reasonable explanation but still BUMMER! I love bark river, I hope you can get a new blade.
Thanks a lot Erica !
Ah Bark River.
They do photograph well.
But in my experience, the frequent complaints aren't just due to them selling a large volume (as they claim).
I tried to get into them, and 3 of the 5 I bought had significant gaps between the handle and tang. One had a burnt grind, one came with micro-chips, one chipped instantly cutting tape, two had knicks in the tang, one had gouge/gap in the tang...inconsistent handle finishing on most.
Just not up to their pricetag.
You just have bad luck with Bark River it seems and I am sorry about that. I have three Bark Rivers and all perfect. The last I bought used I adorned with a new Patriot leather sheath. Love the combo. Good luck.
I’ve had similar experience. Their quality control is horrible for the price of their knives
Could you guys test a White River Ursus 45
DBK, maybe you can do a video comparing Elmax to Magnacut. 🤔
I've always wanted an all weather, high corrosion resistant, batoning knife... something that will hold up to batoning soft pine, and also harder oak, ash, etc. Something that holds a good edge.
I could care less about how well it cuts a sheet of paper. I just want to know that with a more obtuse geometry, dare say a Scandi grind, that sucker is going to be able to drive vertically through a 4-6 inch wide log with a few hits of a baton.
That's why the GSO 5.1, GSO 6 and GSO 8 appeal to me. But with allllll the Magnacut issues Guy at Survive is dealing with, maybe Magnacut is luck of the draw if you end up with a good one or not.
For all weather, high corrosion resistance, is Magnacut the best, Elmax 2nd, or ??? Are Elmax and Magnacut the same thing, or how far apart are they?
i.e. what would be the next best metal for that whole batoning knife situation if Magnacut isn't an option?
Can you rank the steel options by #1, #2, #3, #4?
Thanks in advance. 🙏
Jimping should be added before heat treat maybe that is the flaw?
The jimping is done at water-jet.
I know they gave Pete from Cedric and Ada a knife that was suppose to be one metal and turned out to be the wrong metal. That has worried me ever since.
Is they bark river?
That was a while ago wasnt it? I know BRK admitted they had a production mix up with mislabeled steels, but that was years ago.
The reality is you’re too broke to buy a bark River. So you complain about things you don’t even know about
same here, + i got i brk petty z that didn't old well (broken tip, loose handles and micarta that went harsh)
@@dispmonk I dont know who that was intended for. But I can tell you I have personally owned right around 10 BRK and their quality has slipped. How many have you owned? Not that it really matters, dont be so emotional its just a knife. Its ok that you like BRK but you are acting like a spoiled rich kid taking shots at people that dont see things your way.
If I have to see someone break a knife, I want to be the DBK gents. Sorry about your knife Martin.
Wodan boys was mentioned by Spike of the band Di-rect on the Dutch radio!! Awesome Mikkie! Good video also. 👍😁
My experience with bark river was really shoddy. I bought mine about three years ago maybe. And in that time I bent the tip twice, and waved the edge while chopping down a pine tree. And this was a Aurora Inn CPM 3V. I bought it because of Maartin's love for the Aurora. And I'm not saying he's wrong but. None of that should happen. And I upgraded to a tops silent hero and have never gone back.
They have a history of bad results
@@donjuanmckenzie4897 unfortunately I have to agree.
Try an LT Wright they are awesome
@@donjuanmckenzie4897 they have a history of correcting every problem for free. You’re a dim wit.
You chopped down a tree with a small fixed blade knife?
Isn’t magnacut supposed to be brittle if the steel has like a 64 hardness?
Dang, you don't want to stroll through the DBK woods in your bare feet. Some day in the distant future, archeologists are going to think a great battle took place in the DBK woods with all the broken blades.
I love Bark River Knives!
Bark River Knives sure can be great.
Hello from Griffin, Georgia. USA
Love your show guys !
Quick question, not related to this video.
Have you done a review on a "ROTHCO Bodyguard " it's a "SOG recon" knockoff.
I've recently purchased a ROTHCO Bodyguard for $30 . I immediately recognized the style and design. It seems like a good knife.
Keep up the good work sirs
Thanks a lot for the tip! We have not tried one. I'll take a look at it
I got one. Thanks for the video
I'm glad it broke.💔 It gave us all a learning experience. May it rest in pieces. ...Until next time! 👀
Bark River isn’t what it used to be. I think they just got too big, put out too many variations and inevitably started to cut corners and QC. I bet if they scaled back a bit the quality would improve.
I have 4 bark rivers bought at same time. If tou stare at the tip to your face and with edge up...my god it is crooked its not even close to being centerd. Its legit at 10 o clock not even 11. It absolutly pathetic. Most of time with any knife its slightlt of but barkriver is a dam joke with this test.
I agree. I have owned about 10 BRK and all my older ones were perfect. I special pre-ordered one that was built in late 2020 and the fit finish and overall craftsmanship was clearly lower. They also shipped the run with a smaller cheaper sheath than was advertised when I put down my deposit. Still a great knife, but LT Wright gets all my business now.
While QC was not perfect before. I really noticed a marked decline in quality during this pandemic. Also noticed that the problems with QC were on the opposite side of what’s photographed...
This one had nothing to do with Bark River, though. They get the billets from Crucible. The billet that knife was made from had inclusions on the inside. Now, could Bark River do some sort of inspection of each billet before using it? I have no idea. I'm guessing, however, that QC for the raw material is the responsibility of the supplier, while the knife-maker will only QC the fit/finish/grind/treatment of the finished product.
@@terpdx I think most people would agree with you, myself included.
Basically BRK sucks at making knives and refuses to admit the faults they have. Its a shame because I like some of the models.
The mini tundra in elmax first production chipped and broke like glass at least mine did I still have to send it back I’m sure they have fixed the heat treatment on the elmax by now
Thanks Gentlemen, appreciate ya!
Also fatigue and micro cracks. When you were batoning earlier with the logs you could have created micro cracks/fissures that became catastrophic later on. That's why I never baton very hard with my knife (basically just kindling). If a log needs to be split, just use a wooden wedge
Yeah no rational person would use a .10 thick blade to baton, lol
@@Simon-talks depends on what you're batoning. You can baton with a swiss army knife if you know the limits. But yea I'd say that DBK goes overkill, which is what we want to see and know. But I think they should add food/animal/game prep to their tests. A Becker is going to completely fail I those categories compared to the lowly opinel. They do test to failure though. Which most places won't which is perfect. I still don't think a
@@torfinnjohnsrud793 Yes you are not suppose to baton a large thick chopping wood with a tiny super thin knife Like they did in the beginning of the video lol 😂
Anyone else noticed how many "super steel" knives snap? When you are pushing the performance limits of anything, you get problems.
Race horses get lots of injuries, cart horses go on working daily for years. Race engines need rebuilding constantly, an old diesel van will go on for years. I'll take a reliable diesel van of a knife over an expensive super knife any day. Even if I do need to sharpen it more often. And let's face it, we all love to tickle our edges 😁
Hear hear.
Well, to be fair, no one should be doing what DBK does to knives....lol. The advantage to super steels and their hardness is long term edge sharpness and retention....which is what you want for doing what knives should be doing...slicing and cutting.
Not repeatedly rammed through large rounds of wood, metal pans, etc. There's a reason we invented the axe.
Common sense would dictate if you plan on treating your knife like an axe all the time....go with a softer steel like 1095, 1075, 5160, etc.
That said, companies like Fallkniven have the right idea with laminated steels where you get the best of both worlds. Long edge retention with ridiculous strength.
@@pennsyltuckyreb9800 I totally agree. I beat my knives constantly and use them as a can opener, axe, scraper, digging tool and sometimes as a knife. That's why I use cheaper carbon steel. I do lust after these super steels though, I just don't think I deserve them 😅
the only super steels that break are the ones that literally aren’t meant to be beat on. something in 3v, cruwear, vanadis 4, even stuff like k390 will take ten times more abuse than a cheaper steel
Guess I'm back to Cruwear then....thanks guys.
Hey what are your feelings on Dutch ovens
And can you review them with different dishes
Bark River needs to make a Magnacut blade in a thicker blade stock like their regular bushcraft with no gimping.
They do. The Aurora Scandi will be out in a couple of weeks. They will be making others as well this year, Gunny Scandi, Bravo 1 LT, and if they will eventually make the Bravo 1 in MagnaCut once they can get the thicker steel from Crucible.
Hey in the intro you said you were unsure of bark river lately, can you link any related videos on that ?
Every knife steel can have a little flaw in it and that's why you should test the knife hard at home before depending your life on it in the outdoors. Basically also the only time where a good warranty is important. I have ALWAYS said that jimping is useless and weakens the knife. I agree with Maarten on that. I have asked many knife makers why they put jimping on the knives and never got an answer that made sense. This jimping even looks pretty aggressive so that knife would be a no for me instantly.
The reason some people mention is to have better grip and control but that's bs also. If that was true professional kitchen knives, butcher knives, fish processing knives, etc. would all have adopted it since these knives are in use all day and NONE of them have jimping. It's just some 'bushcraft and survival' fetish.
If jimping is done correct and on the right steel, then I do not see any issues. To me the BRK jimping on this knife looks terrible, but i.e. on a TRC South Pole it's done beautifully and I really doubt it in that this case making the South Pole more fragile, to the point you can't depend on it. I agree with everything you said, don't get me wrong, I just wanted to add that it can be done and be safe on some knives made correctly in the first place.
@@jacobpetersen5662 I agree that TRC does pay a lot of intention to that part. It's smooth jimping with rounded corners. They are not useful but also not in the way. I personally still prefer no jimping at all, but that's just me. I also agree the jimping on the BRK are way to aggressive and straight that might cause problems as it shows.
I can confirm: the jimping on that knife is so aggressive that it hurts to use. Basically it's a knife for nobody but it's the first knife BR did in magna cut so it sold out instantly and is already up on DLT for a second round of pre-ordering.
@@fredherring4403 It's a very competitive but still growing market out there. So it becomes a lot about style also. And different steels of course. So this mangacut is hot now. They make money and I can't blame them. That's what a business is all about. Just like the boys have a business about making videos. It's still the consumer who gets to decide. A lot of people will buy this new knife but never use it. I have plenty of knives I have not and will not use. I'm a collector also. But my user knives are all functional knives for what I consider to be functional. But again very much agree that the smooth jimping of TRC is not an immediate deal breaker for me where the looks of the jimping on this knife definitely is. It looks way to aggressive. It's not for me.
BRK's are nice. I own a couple of them and because of the price I'm usually careful not to smack the boogers out of them. Nice shot at the end where you show the tiny metal imperfection (stuff happens). I always appreciate your vids and even when you don't mean to bust something, just like life, stuff happens.
The day DBK tries out some Spyderco fixed blades like the Zoomer, Province, Proficient, and maybe a few others ;), will be a pleasant day.
Even if they ultimately don’t like them. I just think it’ll be neat to watch. Spyderco fixed blades are the most underrated out there and with very few RUclips testing videos.
Side note, Spyderco makes some incredible knives like their Proficient and Province, but they get discontinued way too soon because their market is primarily folding knives. It’s tragic, imo. The Zoomer is ridiculous for a production knife and fortunately hasn’t been discontinued yet, but the others that have are still worth checking out too!
I just love Serrata! Zoomer seems like a good knife for me, but I don't like the belt loop on the sheath being a triangle. It looks too fancy and weak. It's prissy.
@@ssunfish
Serrata is also a really neat knife and I’ve seen back and forth between the designer and Spyderco about doing another similar knife.
The Zoomer is definitely one for those that like fancy and ultra comfortable tools. I think the leather is pretty thick. I haven’t seen any complaints about the loop personally, but the sheath has the same luxury vibes as the knife itself. I think it’s probably the best convex ground production bushcraft knife by a wide margin, though.
I am glad y’all break knives in your tests.
JOE X is the channel if you want to see which knives are durable. He smacked the Esee and KaBar 1 time on concrete and they broke like glass. He beats the hell out of knives in extreme torture test. He smacked the Gerber Strongarm on concrete for like 10 minutes straight and it didn't break. He hammers knives into wood and tries to bend them sideways to see if they break. He stabs them through cars over and over. Beats them against metal.
The popular brands are the ones that I've seen break the easiest.
@@justlooking...2412 👍
I thought that was a great Break River review!!
How do we enter the giveaway.. I love my bark Rivers
05:31 The look of determination
Man I wish I could find a scout. Iv seen a few on the bark river group but they last seconds. I need to get in on the next preorder. Would have been better without jimping.
how can you be certain that there aren't more inclusions in other knives?. It sounds like a bad batch.
I've been mulling over buying a crusader but I think BRK is cut off until I start hearing some rave reviews. Damn shame really love some of thier knives but I'm not taking anymore in the back on quality
Bark River is the best knife you can get for the money.
The Crusader is awesome! I've batoned it almost as hard as I could through oak and it kept it's edge.
No argument on the jimping but at 11:06 did you notice the 'laser' engraving looks a bit deep?
More likely bark river are cutting their blanks against the rolling direction of the sheets to make best use of materials. Segregated carbides strings form in the direction the sheet is hot rolled. The knife “should” be cut in the same orientation for the least risk of failure. Micro cracks are more likely initiated on that drilled gimping too. Cracks propagate along the carbide string and *ping* $400 down the toilet. Quite possibly sub par HT also.
Are you saying Magnacut is hot rolled? 😁
The jimping is water-jet cut.
@@robsweetsorrow I am. I believe Niagara specialty metals do the hot rolling for crucible.
@@jwa9249 I believe fatigue strength is actually considerably lower in waterjet cut materials vs milling?.could be wrong though.. Either way, those holes are stress risers for cracks to initiate (and potentially propagate along a string of carbides)