@@maxgomila8209 Probably. But it's gotta be better for the environment than the emissions from when the entire thing burns, releasing toxic gas, and then catching anything adjacent on fire aswell
Keep your WRX Wagon , nice to drive and own , friends got one and he has had his 20 years , I did the same thing with my Mercedes SLK 2001 , still got it as she never plays up and 105k on dash now ...EV are awful things with the battery replacement prices
The big push to get everyone to buy these things will end here in the US on January 20th. If we want an electric car, we can buy one. If we want a gasoline powered car, we can buy one. The government won't be telling us what to do anymore.
Starmer, in his bid to maintain Britain as the World leader in battling climate change has said at the COP conference that he won't be telling us how to live our lives tackling climate issues. Well no, he won't have to do, he'll just legislate his way through it by making it all the more difficult and expensive to own an ICE vehicle.
@Steve_Wardley_G6JEF if he wants to have net zero switch off half of the lights in cities at night . It's getting like a comunist country being told what to do. It's not north Korea.
21:19 During my 7-year apprenticeship as a motor mechanic in the 1960s we replaced whole engines in half a day. Austins, Morris Minors, Fords. It was a quick fix for a clapped out engine. Affordable, too. The replacement engines were factory refurbished and like new.
Battery failure (or more likely the failure of one tiny resistor, diode, capacitor) on any of the 60+ PCBs that control charg/discharge of the cell packs) will write every EV off as soon as the warranty expires. My Model S Tesla had warranty HV battery replacements at 83k, 104k and 112k. Since a new battery would cost me £17,500 (same as the car value) after the warranty ran out, I had to sell it. Financially irrepairable. Back to the Aston!
I have a 2017 Suzuki Vitara S all grip (petrol 1.4L booster jet manual 4wD ) I bought it new almost exactly 7 years ago from my local Suzuki Dealership. It has never broken down It has never been safety recalled. It has never had anything stop working. It has had an annual service costing around £200 It has passed every MOT without so much as an advisory. I have never even had to replace a light bulb. The car has never missed a beat, never given me any problem whatsoever. The car is bulletproof ! I paid £23k brand new - on the road back in 2017 and today it was valued at £10,500 as a trade in …. It takes about 3 mins to fully fill the empty tank, costs around £70, and will carry me around 450 miles ! Why on earth would I go EV. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I'm glad that there are people like this man that tells it like it is. I recently went looking at new cars and found out that they can't get rid of the EVs and they told me there orders are mainly for new diesels and petrol and there is a long waiting list, but I could have a new EV within a couple of weeks. It's the biggest con ever.
If an EV has a higher up-front carbon cost of manufacture (largely due to the battery) and the car has to be recalled to have the battery replaced....then the carbon cost of the car jumps significantly so how many miles would have to be driven overall for the car to actually start saving on carbon emissions vs an ICE car?
University of Liege researcher Damien Ernst said in 2019 that the typical EV would have to travel nearly 700,000 km before it emitted less CO2 than a comparable gasoline vehicle. He later revised his figures down. Now, he estimates the break-even point could be between 67,000 km and 151,000 km.
Basically by the looks of it they won't be changing batteries but just installing module that's gonna make car charge to 80% and it's probably going to show on dash charged 100% when in fact it'll be 80% and I bet you people will notice decrease in range unfortunately.
In 2027 every new house must have a heat pump and no gas boiler . Electric cars everywhere , yet they think a windmill will supply the infrastructure demands 😂
The UK has a current capacity to fit 45 heat pumps per day. The govt are committed to 800 new builds per day. Rayner is in charge, Abbott did the maths.
That's why they want farmers gone so that they can seize their land and build Solar grids on flat land and wind turbines on hills. So they can fulfil their agenda
Of course with low BIK tax and no BIk tax on charging either public and can claim back all home charging to business for personal miles as HMRC not see electric as fuel ..yet
Kier Starmer, and Edd Milliband are at the Kop summit signing away the death nell for ice cars unfortunately, but Kier did say he wasn't going to tell us how to live . Do we believe him 😢
It is time that the misselling lawyers put together a case for the sale of EV's. If an owner is in such potential negative equity with their finance that has to be far more serious than a customer not being told how much commission in be paid (as per the current scandal).
@@golders99 I’m sure you don’t intend to, but you come over as rather arrogant with statements like that. Might I suggest that using a vehicle that sprays toxic fumes out of the exhaust at push chair height, might also be described as “fecking madness” - practising oncologists are pointing to car fumes as one of the leading causes of lung cancer in people that have never smoked.
The government made the deliberate decision to leave EV batteries unregulated regarding safety. Had they done so the result would have been that compliance costs would spiral making the cost well beyond a credible value. Thus we have spontaneous combustion of significant numbers of EVs in car parks, service stations, etc. The Luton airport fire is a prime example. They claimed the vehicle that caused this was a diesel. Having worked for over 40 years in transport logistics primarily diesel, we have never had any fire of this type, at any time, during my tenure. The second fact to support that fire being EV sourced was the spread being instantaneous, high temperatures, and the release of sulphuric acid plumes restricting fire officers from engaging to suppress it.
You are simply wrong. BS ISO 12405-2:2012 Electrically propelled road vehicles applies as part of general vehicle safety standards. Since the ridiculous UKCA was abolished, we are back to CE standards. The Luton fire was identified from CCTV as being caused by a Diesel Range Rover, your word salad is nonsense.
Porche won’t scrap the car as it not Porsche that will bear the cost of replacement of faulty parts. That liability is beared by the parts manufacturer who make the components etc. ( probably by their insurance).
With regards to the batteries, just because they charge you 45 grand to buy the battery doesn't mean that's what they pay for them, for them to sell the battery to you for 45 grand they probably only pay around 10 grand, so still viable for them potentially.
I was looking at new houses yesterday, and one of the builders had included an electric car charging point on every new home. Prior to seeing this, I had predicted that in the future, all new houses would have this feature as standard.
Here in the USA, we've had a lot of EV fires. People have lost their homes from EV fires. The last hurricane that hit Florida, the sea water caused the EV batteries go on fire.
@@dane5896 According to the NTSB battery powered vehicles suffered 25 fires per 100,000 sold, compared to 1530 per 100,000 for petrol vehicles. Of course they do take longer to put out, which is probably why they make the news more.
@@dane5896 “sea water caused the batteries to go on fire” - and what do you think caused the increasingly intense hurricanes that we are now getting ? Burning oil ! You’d think that would be a wake up call, but it seems sadly not.
In the USA the battery is being “tuned down” to only accept 50% or 75% charge until the “fix” is released … sometime next year. Ergo, your distance will inherently reduce in miles.
What you need rather than buying super expensive electric cars is to buy the T03 that costs around 8 grand supposedly. It's just an ordinary car that runs on electric with an average range and speed.
They didn't say replace the battery pack, just the affected modules - a module is a section of the battery pack. My guess is the control packs are developing issues. In 39 years of car ownership, I've had one car subject to a recall, at 15 years old! In the interim Lee, buy some Nomex undies 🙂
The added stupidity of EV's is the fact that there is even less Lithium as a resource on the planet than there is fossil fuels, so how on earth EV's have even been selected as the future of motoring is beyond the comprehension of my ADHD brain! If they need to move away from fossil fuels then they need to choose an element that has near infinite resources, not an element that is in even more short supply than oil!
I appreciate the information. I am lucky my 2018 Toyota Camry is still worth almost 60% of its initial cost after 6 1/2 years. It run on regular unleaded gas.
and doesnt require 25 apps with yet more passwords on a phone connected to a server to fuel up. Just cash, or debit or credit card. Seriously , what an hassle
Some 858 Taycans were initially identified as being at risk and recalled in January, but after further checks the company determined that further vehicles could also be affected.
So, now that you know that your electric car as above average likelihood of catching fire. What would happen if your car catches fire on the driveway with you knowing this information and it were to burn the house down. It would be interesting to know what your house insurance company would say.....but sir, you knew of the risk. Sorry you have no cover
LG Chem pouch The 723-volt pack (835 volt full, 610 volt empty) has 33 modules with 12 LG Chem pouch cells each, for 396 cells in total. This battery is branded "Performance Battery Plus" (PB+).
33 modules.. but thousands of cells.. the same cells, or very similar that you find in laptop battery packs, power tool battery packs.. and vapes. In fact some EV's use the same 18650 cells that you will find in vapes and laptops.. thousands of them.. Some LG Chem pounches had 18650's.. In Mac's Taycan I think will have 21700 cells. Each battery will have thousands of cells.
I don't doubt the EV enthusiasts when they gush about their driving experience. Ask them about the ownership experience and the economics of the breed and they become quieter. I'm hanging on to my diesel as long as I can.
I'm an MOT tester and I love EVs as there's no emissions to test and no bonnet to bother looking under, only problem I do have is when I don't realise it's an EV when I get in and the engine wont start 😅
@@karlos543 just as long as the oil industry is happy. Doesn’t’ matter that vast areas of the country are blighted by polluted groundwater and unbreathable air. The rich don’t live they so they can ignore the damage
Lee, with respect, do not worry about the resale price and depreciation. On your PCP deal all you have to do at the end of your deal is to hand in the keys and walk away.
Not sure, but you might have a LG Chem battery in your car. Lately LG also have had issues with their home battery storage units. In Australia we have been told to turn it off, and contact supplier.
Your Taycan is now so famous on RUclips you should put it up for auction and hopefully some collector will buy it and put it in a museum. That way it will probably outlive the rest of its family by many decades.
I wonder ...miss the recall, for whatever reason, and your car bursts into flames in the Waitrose car park .. it will be a glorious day for your insurance company! They will have a legal right to refuse your claim. Caveat emptor with bells on!!
How can it be better for the environment to have a new car than say a 1978 chevette, once you factor in all the extra mining required for the added electronics and sensors, vast amounts of oil based plastics, and carrying all that extra weight in a new small car, compared to the light weight due to simplicity of a 1978 chevette? The extra weight of new cars, and the energy required to make them, has to be worse than the couple extra liters of gas that an old chevette might burn in its lifetime, plus the chevette can be easily recycled because its made of steel, not plastic.
Well fortunately it will never affect me as I can’t even dream of buying a new EV of any type and at 70 years old will never need one my little petrol car will see me out😢
Never in the entire history of consumer goods has the buying public been expected to accept a retrograde product in place of a far better existing solution.
I’ve got a self charging hybrid Toyota Yaris and love the fact I don’t have to plug it in to charge it, it uses the breaking energy to put charge back into the battery, I would be nervous of the time it takes to charge a fully electric vehicle if I was going on a long journey, get rid of your Porsche for something more reliable. Love watching your videos 👍
2 house fires every week caused by electric scooters and bikes in Australia. Increased insurance premiums for everyone because of this. And then there are the fires from EV's. It's a big con.
Can we trust the diagnostic software to identify dangerous battery cell defects? What if a battery cell deteriorates suddenly during 'instant torque' powerful acceleration?
Exactly. You have to wonder if they already have software available that tests these modules, and if so, how they managed to port it across to the Taycan infotainment system, so that it can analyse the data from the battery pack and display the relevant information. As for how detailed it will be, the normal Taycan battery is made up of 28 modules, each containing 12 cells, so assuming that each cell has some onboard controller, it's only down to the cell level (1 of 336). Maybe they'll do it on the cheap, and display a single message saying to take it to the dealer ASAP.
I work at a DHL warehouse facility and electric bikes & scooters are banned from the parking lot, the batteries cannot even be brought on site. Not the future I suspect. The Taycan would be superb with a sweet V8 up front.
Just to let you know I'm sick of charging my polestar and seriously thinking about switching back to petrol.... Untill they update to better batteries I'm never going back to electric. I'm officially NOT an EVangelist
45k would be the retail price.....If the trade price is anywhere near the value of the car, bearing in mind that there will be a fitting cost , it would be cheaper to buy it back for scrap and alsi consequently save on any future recalls...remember the Lancia Beta?
The Lancia Beta had such poor body protection that the rear engine support rotted out after three years from new. Cost of the body repair exceeded the value of the vehicle so they were scrapped.
Lee, Be cautious where you store your e-bikes. I know of a couple that stored their e-bikes in their garage, the battery of bike caught fire which caused the loss of their home to fire. E-Bikes must be stored with care .
Of course it is worth putting the new batteries in your Porsche from your point of view, literally you will get a brand new battery which means you have travelled all the miles you have over the years and will not suffer the issues of battery degredation as quick as you would if they didnt fix the car, plus with a new battery you may be able to actually sell the car and clear the financial black hole that it is at present. Plus you can argue for a courtesy car while yours is being fixed as it is their responsibility to provide you a replacement while they are fixing a vehicle on recall.
MGUY has a video explaining how Mercedes are being sued for lying about their battery supplier. Those batteries have been setting on fire in South Korea and burning down full car garages.
When ALL costs of car ownership are taken into account every road user has always been paying per mile driven - with sales tax on car sales, vehicle depreciation, taxes on petrol/ diesel, car servicing and spare parts etc etc. The greater the use of the car the greater the running costs
Hi Lee. Porsche dropped in my inbox saying that they,(Porsche) were going to put a petrol engine into the Porsche Taycan. That makes perfect sense. Just imagine that if everyone got an EV by 2030,don't you think the national grid would be able to cope that amount of electricity being used to charge all those EVs. If so my opinion is that we will be going back to the 70s with power cuts. It's total bollocks
I was part of a team that spent several years working on a small part of electronics design for this car. The team was dedicated to producing a top quality, reliable product and the attention to detail and effort Porsche made to get this car right was incredible. Many people shed blood sweat and tears to get this car out and I just find it funny how you just slag it off without a thought. The vast majority of the thousands of people that worked on this car will never have a chance to even ride in one let alone afford to buy one, think yourself lucky, you got a bargain.
Hi from Sydney, Australia. I'm a doctor who is just about to retire at age 68, I have 5 classic cars, one of them I've been driving for 42 years now as my daily drive, it was 8 years old when I bought it so it's now 50 years old. When I bought it the odometre was showing 102,700klms on it, now in November 2024 odometre is showing 710,000 klm on it yep almost 450,000miles, it's never been recalled all its main operating systems are still functioning, and best of all it is still running on its original engine which has had 3 timing chains in its lifetime plus one oil pump shaft drive, the engine itself, top end, or, bottom end have NEVER BEEN taken apart and rebuilt. What modern car gives anywhere near this type of reliability from just plain normal on time servicing. What is it ?? a 1974 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham Talisman fitted with the biggest V8 mankind has ever fitted just under 8.3litres this gives 450 horsepower as it's an export specification car with all power and ZERO anti-pollution gear as was not required in Australia in 1974, additionally it is right hand drive , as they could be ordered from your local GM Holden dealer in completely knocked down kit form sent crated as parts to GMHolden-Aust's Pagewood, Sydney plant and built there as a factory RHD vehicle. A Talisman was a special 3 year only model the ultimate and fitted with options not available in any other corporate brand. GM invented the airbag, it is equipped with GM's Air Cushion Restraint System (airbags) plus Maxtrac which ties together ABS (brakes), traction control along with the cars self levelling suspension. These Talismans were outrageously expensive when new, the new state of art componentry was not cheap but however 50 years and thousands of kilometres later and this all still works perfectly every day and let me tell you the Bendix Aviation supplied ABS system in this car really works and right sharpish in an emergency and deftly brings this 3.2 ton car to a stop in less distance and time than any modern car I have been in OR, driven. Elegant and dignified in Sable black paint, with Italian tan interior (mustard color) and at 20 mpg around town even fuel use isn't too bad on a country run this goes to 22 or 23 MPG depending on hills. Who needs a modern when you can drive this.
The battery is the weak point of an Ev. So much energy potential on the road which is less safe than a petrol car with a hot catalytic converter. EV's are killing the western auto industry. China is making cars that have a limited life span because battery replacement is unaffordable.
MacMaster is on the right logic, but the price won't be by the mile. The government agencies that regulate carbon in fuel will simply drive up the cost at the pump so the cost borne by an ICE vehicle owner will be by per liter or gallon!
With thousands of individual cells in the battery it represents thousands of failure points and all it takes is one to go south and burn the car to the ground. Zero defects in the manufacturing process is a real challenge
The devaluation problem is set to get far worse as manufacturers force dealers to preregister and sell more and more new ones as second-hand in order to avoid quota fines.😢
keep up the good work Lee. I will only get rid of my diesel van when they ban all plains from flying as there are so many flying these days its a joke. There is nothing environmentally friendly about plains and the amount of fuel used each flight polluting the sky. (could this be why we really no longer get much sun her in ENGLAND like we used to ?????)
The biggest factor that changes the weather is deforestation , forests produce wet dry zones and if you cut them down you move the zones and change the weather
If the entire battery pack has to be replaced after only a few years of use then that must be bad for the environment.
@@maxgomila8209
Probably. But it's gotta be better for the environment than the emissions from when the entire thing burns, releasing toxic gas, and then catching anything adjacent on fire aswell
I just bought a 1987 Alfa with their gorgeous 2.5 litre V6 just so I can listen to that gorgeous engine. ❤️
The sound will mask the noise of the tin worms😅😅😅
I have a 525 I SE from 1989 - Straight 6 and sounds glorious from 4000 RPM - best fun with your clothes on 🤣
@@send2mc Busso v6 with the chrome manifolds
@@send2mc what is the Alpha trope
..'Want shit and drama in your life, get married or buy an Alpha!'
Drilling is killing ...... but digging, child labour and toxic lagoons are great. 🤦🏻♀️
I'll stick with my 30 year old Subaru Impreza Turbo WRX Wagon, Lee. What a joke these EVs are. Even a bigger joke is the government pushing them.
Keep your WRX Wagon , nice to drive and own , friends got one and he has had his 20 years , I did the same thing with my Mercedes SLK 2001 , still got it as she never plays up and 105k on dash now ...EV are awful things with the battery replacement prices
The big push to get everyone to buy these things will end here in the US on January 20th. If we want an electric car, we can buy one. If we want a gasoline powered car, we can buy one. The government won't be telling us what to do anymore.
@@coolspace2136 I think you’ve forgot Elon Musk is on board.
Starmer, in his bid to maintain Britain as the World leader in battling climate change has said at the COP conference that he won't be telling us how to live our lives tackling climate issues. Well no, he won't have to do, he'll just legislate his way through it by making it all the more difficult and expensive to own an ICE vehicle.
I fell off my chair when he said that.
@@robblack7560 I am sure I saw a flying pig at the same time.
@Steve_Wardley_G6JEF if he wants to have net zero switch off half of the lights in cities at night . It's getting like a comunist country being told what to do. It's not north Korea.
21:19 During my 7-year apprenticeship as a motor mechanic in the 1960s we replaced whole engines in half a day. Austins, Morris Minors, Fords. It was a quick fix for a clapped out engine. Affordable, too. The replacement engines were factory refurbished and like new.
Battery failure (or more likely the failure of one tiny resistor, diode, capacitor) on any of the 60+ PCBs that control charg/discharge of the cell packs) will write every EV off as soon as the warranty expires. My Model S Tesla had warranty HV battery replacements at 83k, 104k and 112k. Since a new battery would cost me £17,500 (same as the car value) after the warranty ran out, I had to sell it. Financially irrepairable. Back to the Aston!
Wouldn't take an electric car as a gift (if I wasn't allowed to sell it). Think I'll stick with my twin turbo v8 diesel VW. Thanks.
I have a 2017 Suzuki Vitara S all grip (petrol 1.4L booster jet manual 4wD )
I bought it new almost exactly 7 years ago from my local Suzuki Dealership.
It has never broken down
It has never been safety recalled.
It has never had anything stop working.
It has had an annual service costing around £200
It has passed every MOT without so much as an advisory.
I have never even had to replace a light bulb.
The car has never missed a beat, never given me any problem whatsoever. The car is bulletproof !
I paid £23k brand new - on the road back in 2017 and today it was valued at £10,500 as a trade in ….
It takes about 3 mins to fully fill the empty tank, costs around £70, and will carry me around 450 miles !
Why on earth would I go EV. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Ahh you've got to love Suzuki's I do, common sense cars for common sense people. Id hang on to it if its not too high on miles.
I'm glad that there are people like this man that tells it like it is. I recently went looking at new cars and found out that they can't get rid of the EVs and they told me there orders are mainly for new diesels and petrol and there is a long waiting list, but I could have a new EV within a couple of weeks. It's the biggest con ever.
If an EV has a higher up-front carbon cost of manufacture (largely due to the battery) and the car has to be recalled to have the battery replaced....then the carbon cost of the car jumps significantly so how many miles would have to be driven overall for the car to actually start saving on carbon emissions vs an ICE car?
University of Liege researcher Damien Ernst said in 2019 that the typical EV would have to travel nearly 700,000 km before it emitted less CO2 than a comparable gasoline vehicle. He later revised his figures down. Now, he estimates the break-even point could be between 67,000 km and 151,000 km.
Basically by the looks of it they won't be changing batteries but just installing module that's gonna make car charge to 80% and it's probably going to show on dash charged 100% when in fact it'll be 80% and I bet you people will notice decrease in range unfortunately.
They just change the battery module which I believe is quite a simple task once the battery is removed
In 2027 every new house must have a heat pump and no gas boiler . Electric cars everywhere , yet they think a windmill will supply the infrastructure demands 😂
The UK has a current capacity to fit 45 heat pumps per day. The govt are committed to 800 new builds per day.
Rayner is in charge, Abbott did the maths.
Yes pure madness get rid of Milliband
It was 2024 it has been pushed back to 2027
Any bets it will be pushed back again 😂
Not just one windmill though. Thousands of them all over the country.
That's why they want farmers gone so that they can seize their land and build Solar grids on flat land and wind turbines on hills. So they can fulfil their agenda
EV owners will be charged per mile driven. Gas and diesel drivers are already charged per mile driven based on fuel taxes paid at the pump.
@@otownracer EV owners will be charged per kW via quick chargers having tax added. Already done in some USA states apparently
see them poor people that died when their tesla lock its doors and burst into flames.
Have said it before, will say it again. The next car he will buy will be an EV, despite pretending he hates the thing.
Can I borrow your crystal ball?
Of course with low BIK tax and no BIk tax on charging either public and can claim back all home charging to business for personal miles as HMRC not see electric as fuel ..yet
Kier Starmer, and Edd Milliband are at the Kop summit signing away the death nell for ice cars unfortunately, but Kier did say he wasn't going to tell us how to live . Do we believe him 😢
that’s why our insurance is through the roof due to recalls of ev’s which are not economically feasible to repair so they write them off.
It is time that the misselling lawyers put together a case for the sale of EV's. If an owner is in such potential negative equity with their finance that has to be far more serious than a customer not being told how much commission in be paid (as per the current scandal).
The insanity in the board rooms of these once great car makers is mind boggling.
Leave the battery out, and put pedals in it, along with no floor, then you can be like Freddie Flinstone 😂😂😂😂😂
@@joeblogs5163 could be better than having it sit in the driveway completely knackered lol
EV cars are fecking madness, I tell you.
@@golders99 I’m sure you don’t intend to, but you come over as rather arrogant with statements like that. Might I suggest that using a vehicle that sprays toxic fumes out of the exhaust at push chair height, might also be described as “fecking madness” - practising oncologists are pointing to car fumes as one of the leading causes of lung cancer in people that have never smoked.
They will sell you a battery for £40,000, but that doesn't mean that's how much it costs them.
The government made the deliberate decision to leave EV batteries unregulated regarding safety. Had they done so the result would have been that compliance costs would spiral making the cost well beyond a credible value. Thus we have spontaneous combustion of significant numbers of EVs in car parks, service stations, etc. The Luton airport fire is a prime example. They claimed the vehicle that caused this was a diesel. Having worked for over 40 years in transport logistics primarily diesel, we have never had any fire of this type, at any time, during my tenure. The second fact to support that fire being EV sourced was the spread being instantaneous, high temperatures, and the release of sulphuric acid plumes restricting fire officers from engaging to suppress it.
Yes they think we're complete idiots. Would not tell us the reg no.
You are simply wrong. BS ISO 12405-2:2012 Electrically propelled road vehicles applies as part of general vehicle safety standards. Since the ridiculous UKCA was abolished, we are back to CE standards.
The Luton fire was identified from CCTV as being caused by a Diesel Range Rover, your word salad is nonsense.
Saw a 2023 Taycan on motorway this weekend with 5000 miles , £53k 60% reduction in price in a year.
@@andrewbaron8713 no wonder EVs only make up 2.7% of the market.
Hybrids will have the same issue of unsafe batteries
Porche won’t scrap the car as it not Porsche that will bear the cost of replacement of faulty parts.
That liability is beared by the parts manufacturer who make the components etc. ( probably by their insurance).
Mister Macmaster! Sick & tired of all this EV malarkey * obsessed with net zero 😠🎉
With regards to the batteries, just because they charge you 45 grand to buy the battery doesn't mean that's what they pay for them, for them to sell the battery to you for 45 grand they probably only pay around 10 grand, so still viable for them potentially.
What's the betting that the recall will result in software restricting charging to less than 80%
With a duff battery, it is worth £200 scrap and the battery cannot be salvaged and will cause widespread toxic environmental pollution.
Tell the Labour government about it. We are being forced to buy electric cars, have them or get off the road.
I was looking at new houses yesterday, and one of the builders had included an electric car charging point on every new home. Prior to seeing this, I had predicted that in the future, all new houses would have this feature as standard.
Here in the USA, we've had a lot of EV fires. People have lost their homes from EV fires. The last hurricane that hit Florida, the sea water caused the EV batteries go on fire.
The Great thing here is we are not being forced into buying one, we have a choice.
@@dane5896 According to the NTSB battery powered vehicles suffered 25 fires per 100,000 sold, compared to 1530 per 100,000 for petrol vehicles. Of course they do take longer to put out, which is probably why they make the news more.
@@dane5896 “sea water caused the batteries to go on fire” - and what do you think caused the increasingly intense hurricanes that we are now getting ? Burning oil ! You’d think that would be a wake up call, but it seems sadly not.
Do you need me to have another Volvo delivered to your door??
525d Estate. Make it an auto, he's forgotten geaboxes!
Noooooooo!!!
In the USA the battery is being “tuned down” to only accept 50% or 75% charge until the “fix” is released … sometime next year. Ergo, your distance will inherently reduce in miles.
Don't forget, the price of a battery replacement is what you pay, not what it costs.
Can't wait to see Halfords in a few years.
Lee if it’s a battery recall it might be cheaper to set it on fire and claim the insurance. Claiming the battery’s were faulty 💥👍
You are not being truly accurate. The article didn't say the battery will need replacing. It said the control module
What you need rather than buying super expensive electric cars is to buy the T03 that costs around 8 grand supposedly.
It's just an ordinary car that runs on electric with an average range and speed.
They didn't say replace the battery pack, just the affected modules - a module is a section of the battery pack. My guess is the control packs are developing issues. In 39 years of car ownership, I've had one car subject to a recall, at 15 years old! In the interim Lee, buy some Nomex undies 🙂
The added stupidity of EV's is the fact that there is even less Lithium as a resource on the planet than there is fossil fuels, so how on earth EV's have even been selected as the future of motoring is beyond the comprehension of my ADHD brain! If they need to move away from fossil fuels then they need to choose an element that has near infinite resources, not an element that is in even more short supply than oil!
I appreciate the information. I am lucky my 2018 Toyota Camry is still worth almost 60% of its initial cost after 6 1/2 years. It run on regular unleaded gas.
and doesnt require 25 apps with yet more passwords on a phone connected to a server to fuel up. Just cash, or debit or credit card. Seriously , what an hassle
You should nickname your car 'Recall', like that character in 'London's Burning'!
Some 858 Taycans were initially identified as being at risk and recalled in January, but after further checks the company determined that further vehicles could also be affected.
So, now that you know that your electric car as above average likelihood of catching fire. What would happen if your car catches fire on the driveway with you knowing this information and it were to burn the house down. It would be interesting to know what your house insurance company would say.....but sir, you knew of the risk. Sorry you have no cover
Barrie Crampton is doing some great videos on RUclips about the truth on EV sales etc. Well worth a look 💚
Agreed 👍👍
But only if you can handle "the truth" about UK EV sales.
Should have used Duracell long life, I've never had a recall on my torch 😮😮
The depreciation alone should be enough to put people off from buying an EV , let alone the fire risk
I've been involved in two fuel engine fires both were super scary and both were caused by electrical failure
Windmills will give us all our electricity. Shame there hasn't been any wind for weeks.
Or sun….
really, no wind at sea for weeks
Here we go! Fast forward practice! Waffle skip!
We're all doomed!!!!
LG Chem pouch
The 723-volt pack (835 volt full, 610 volt empty) has 33 modules with 12 LG Chem pouch cells each, for 396 cells in total. This battery is branded "Performance Battery Plus" (PB+).
33 modules.. but thousands of cells.. the same cells, or very similar that you find in laptop battery packs, power tool battery packs.. and vapes. In fact some EV's use the same 18650 cells that you will find in vapes and laptops.. thousands of them..
Some LG Chem pounches had 18650's..
In Mac's Taycan I think will have 21700 cells. Each battery will have thousands of cells.
It's not the cars that need re-calling, it's the buyers of the things that need re-calling. They all need an urgent brain scan.
@@johntate5050 maybe they had good reasons to buy one 🤔
@@johntate5050 that’s a little rude, and hardly funny.
@@Acemeistre whatever it was,the reality is they are far worse for the environment than ice vehicles!
@@Dogeatdogworld-k5 another lost soul.
I don't doubt the EV enthusiasts when they gush about their driving experience. Ask them about the ownership experience and the economics of the breed and they become quieter. I'm hanging on to my diesel as long as I can.
It’s actually a cool way of parking your car for this vid. You should have slid over the bonnet like Starsky just for a bit of added fun.
Lol. 😂
I'm an MOT tester and I love EVs as there's no emissions to test and no bonnet to bother looking under, only problem I do have is when I don't realise it's an EV when I get in and the engine wont start 😅
Makes me wonder if there's an opportunity for a firm to offer a conversion from electric back to petrol/diesel.
Trump would say:" Drill baby dril" 💪 This country is lost.😢
Trump and Elon are pals, he wont care what we drive.
@@karlos543 just as long as the oil industry is happy. Doesn’t’ matter that vast areas of the country are blighted by polluted groundwater and unbreathable air. The rich don’t live they so they can ignore the damage
My husband drives a Ford Kuga diesel automatic. When asked if he’d trade it in for a new electric one his answer was a resounding NO! 😂
Lee, with respect, do not worry about the resale price and depreciation. On your PCP deal all you have to do at the end of your deal is to hand in the keys and walk away.
Also to add. This recall explains why those two car transporter ships carrying Taycans went up in smoke.
Thought they were Audi
@@JRMillican Porsche and Audi
Not sure, but you might have a LG Chem battery in your car.
Lately LG also have had issues with their home battery storage units.
In Australia we have been told to turn it off, and contact supplier.
Your Taycan is now so famous on RUclips you should put it up for auction and hopefully some collector will buy it and put it in a museum. That way it will probably outlive the rest of its family by many decades.
I wonder ...miss the recall, for whatever reason, and your car bursts into flames in the Waitrose car park .. it will be a glorious day for your insurance company! They will have a legal right to refuse your claim. Caveat emptor with bells on!!
Amazing, 27 thousand people silly enough to buy an electric car
COVID proved how stupid the majority are.
300,000 electric cars on UK roads at last count 3% of all cars on the roads
Mr nudge shill , crazy in the name , crazy in posts and he's done a few , almost like ......he's paid to do so ??
@crazyedits50 what is percentage of these EVs are private sales as opposed to Company cars for tax!....Remember it 0% on diesel cars 20 years ago
@@crazyedits50 It's 1,300,000 EVs on UK roads.
How can it be better for the environment to have a new car than say a 1978 chevette, once you factor in all the extra mining required for the added electronics and sensors, vast amounts of oil based plastics, and carrying all that extra weight in a new small car, compared to the light weight due to simplicity of a 1978 chevette?
The extra weight of new cars, and the energy required to make them, has to be worse than the couple extra liters of gas that an old chevette might burn in its lifetime, plus the chevette can be easily recycled because its made of steel, not plastic.
I wont buy any new car now because of the lane assist mandate. No way am I buying a car that takes control of the steering wheel.
Or you could just switch it off each time 🤔
@@markevans3488 No because It can, glitch, fail or be hacked.
Well fortunately it will never affect me as I can’t even dream of buying a new EV of any type and at 70 years old will never need one my little petrol car will see me out😢
Never in the entire history of consumer goods has the buying public been expected to accept a retrograde product in place of a far better existing solution.
This is why Norwegian ferry operator Havila Kystruten has banned EVs completely.
I’ve got a self charging hybrid Toyota Yaris and love the fact I don’t have to plug it in to charge it, it uses the breaking energy to put charge back into the battery, I would be nervous of the time it takes to charge a fully electric vehicle if I was going on a long journey, get rid of your Porsche for something more reliable. Love watching your videos 👍
2 house fires every week caused by electric scooters and bikes in Australia. Increased insurance premiums for everyone because of this. And then there are the fires from EV's. It's a big con.
Can we trust the diagnostic software to identify dangerous battery cell defects?
What if a battery cell deteriorates suddenly during 'instant torque' powerful acceleration?
Exactly. You have to wonder if they already have software available that tests these modules, and if so, how they managed to port it across to the Taycan infotainment system, so that it can analyse the data from the battery pack and display the relevant information. As for how detailed it will be, the normal Taycan battery is made up of 28 modules, each containing 12 cells, so assuming that each cell has some onboard controller, it's only down to the cell level (1 of 336). Maybe they'll do it on the cheap, and display a single message saying to take it to the dealer ASAP.
I work at a DHL warehouse facility and electric bikes & scooters are banned from the parking lot, the batteries cannot even be brought on site. Not the future I suspect. The Taycan would be superb with a sweet V8 up front.
I have always wondered what will happen with all the batteries from electric cars , will they end up in landfill , how green that will be
They end up in a recycling centre that may or may not set on fire and after being sprayed with gallons of water may poison the waterways nearby.
Ever wondered why car insurances are up by 50% for EVERYONE?... Psst, now you know...lol
What do Porsche batteries and AnnSummers toys have in common? Bend over Sir while we service the account!
Just to let you know I'm sick of charging my polestar and seriously thinking about switching back to petrol.... Untill they update to better batteries I'm never going back to electric. I'm officially NOT an EVangelist
Email me. Let's get you on the vlog. Ukmacmaster@gmail.com
It's a good thing you charge your Taycan outside and not inside a garage attached to your home.
Theres been a lot of house fires in Australia from people charging Escooters and Ebikes.
45k would be the retail price.....If the trade price is anywhere near the value of the car, bearing in mind that there will be a fitting cost , it would be cheaper to buy it back for scrap and alsi consequently save on any future recalls...remember the Lancia Beta?
The Lancia Beta had such poor body protection that the rear engine support rotted out after three years from new. Cost of the body repair exceeded the value of the vehicle so they were scrapped.
Lee,
Be cautious where you store your e-bikes. I know of a couple that stored their e-bikes in their garage, the battery of bike caught fire which caused the loss of their home to fire. E-Bikes must be stored with care .
A couple died recently due to their electric bike exploding.
I bet your car would not survive those floods in Spain. Just get rid of it ASAP.
And lose the content that pays him?
Of course it is worth putting the new batteries in your Porsche from your point of view, literally you will get a brand new battery which means you have travelled all the miles you have over the years and will not suffer the issues of battery degredation as quick as you would if they didnt fix the car, plus with a new battery you may be able to actually sell the car and clear the financial black hole that it is at present.
Plus you can argue for a courtesy car while yours is being fixed as it is their responsibility to provide you a replacement while they are fixing a vehicle on recall.
MGUY has a video explaining how Mercedes are being sued for lying about their battery supplier. Those batteries have been setting on fire in South Korea and burning down full car garages.
MGUY must be the most unbiased source for EV news on RUclips. 😂
When ALL costs of car ownership are taken into account every road user has always been paying per mile driven - with sales tax on car sales, vehicle depreciation, taxes on petrol/ diesel, car servicing and spare parts etc etc. The greater the use of the car the greater the running costs
The only electric car I loved was a Dodgem Lee
Lee, Porsche charge £45K to replace the battery! Put a Porsche badge on a VW and amazingly, another zero appears on the price tag.
Taking in to account all of the problems and recalls you’ve experienced surely you’d have a case to return as not fit for purpose.
Hi Lee. Porsche dropped in my inbox saying that they,(Porsche) were going to put a petrol engine into the Porsche Taycan. That makes perfect sense. Just imagine that if everyone got an EV by 2030,don't you think the national grid would be able to cope that amount of electricity being used to charge all those EVs. If so my opinion is that we will be going back to the 70s with power cuts. It's total bollocks
It's been nothing but trouble since you first brought it Lee 😜
He never bought it..
Funnily enough, a certain Mrs Wilson said exactly the same thing.
I was part of a team that spent several years working on a small part of electronics design for this car. The team was dedicated to producing a top quality, reliable product and the attention to detail and effort Porsche made to get this car right was incredible. Many people shed blood sweat and tears to get this car out and I just find it funny how you just slag it off without a thought. The vast majority of the thousands of people that worked on this car will never have a chance to even ride in one let alone afford to buy one, think yourself lucky, you got a bargain.
Hi from Sydney, Australia. I'm a doctor who is just about to retire at age 68, I have 5 classic cars, one of them I've been driving for 42 years now as my daily drive, it was 8 years old when I bought it so it's now 50 years old. When I bought it the odometre was showing 102,700klms on it, now in November 2024 odometre is showing 710,000 klm on it yep almost 450,000miles, it's never been recalled all its main operating systems are still functioning, and best of all it is still running on its original engine which has had 3 timing chains in its lifetime plus one oil pump shaft drive, the engine itself, top end, or, bottom end have NEVER BEEN taken apart and rebuilt. What modern car gives anywhere near this type of reliability from just plain normal on time servicing.
What is it ?? a 1974 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham Talisman fitted with the biggest V8 mankind has ever fitted just under 8.3litres this gives 450 horsepower as it's an export specification car with all power and ZERO anti-pollution gear as was not required in Australia in 1974, additionally it is right hand drive , as they could be ordered from your local GM Holden dealer in completely knocked down kit form sent crated as parts to GMHolden-Aust's Pagewood, Sydney plant and built there as a factory RHD vehicle. A Talisman was a special 3 year only model the ultimate and fitted with options not available in any other corporate brand. GM invented the airbag, it is equipped with GM's Air Cushion Restraint System (airbags) plus Maxtrac which ties together ABS (brakes), traction control along with the cars self levelling suspension. These Talismans were outrageously expensive when new, the new state of art componentry was not cheap but however 50 years and thousands of kilometres later and this all still works perfectly every day and let me tell you the Bendix Aviation supplied ABS system in this car really works and right sharpish in an emergency and deftly brings this 3.2 ton car to a stop in less distance and time than any modern car I have been in OR, driven. Elegant and dignified in Sable black paint, with Italian tan interior (mustard color) and at 20 mpg around town even fuel use isn't too bad on a country run this goes to 22 or 23 MPG depending on hills.
Who needs a modern when you can drive this.
The battery is the weak point of an Ev. So much energy potential on the road which is less safe than a petrol car with a hot catalytic converter. EV's are killing the western auto industry. China is making cars that have a limited life span because battery replacement is unaffordable.
MacMaster is on the right logic, but the price won't be by the mile. The government agencies that regulate carbon in fuel will simply drive up the cost at the pump so the cost borne by an ICE vehicle owner will be by per liter or gallon!
With thousands of individual cells in the battery it represents thousands of failure points and all it takes is one to go south and burn the car to the ground. Zero defects in the manufacturing process is a real challenge
The devaluation problem is set to get far worse as manufacturers force dealers to preregister and sell more and more new ones as second-hand in order to avoid quota fines.😢
Take the batteries out and put a engine in it.
keep up the good work Lee. I will only get rid of my diesel van when they ban all plains from flying as there are so many flying these days its a joke. There is nothing environmentally friendly about plains and the amount of fuel used each flight polluting the sky. (could this be why we really no longer get much sun her in ENGLAND like we used to ?????)
I think you mean Planes ✈️ but they won’t be banned so suck it up eco warrior 😂
The biggest factor that changes the weather is deforestation , forests produce wet dry zones and if you cut them down you move the zones and change the weather