Longines Hydroconquest vs Seiko SPB143 | Best Entry-Level Luxury Diver
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- Опубликовано: 8 мар 2021
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In this video I compare these two nice entry-level luxury divewatches. I hope it's useful for your decision making proces.
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I can’t believe this video exists - I was at a dead stop trying to decide between these exact two watches! Thank you so much for this review, extremely helpful!
Which one did you get?
@@timemeasured9137 I went with the HydroConquest for a few reasons - 1. the fit is really versatile (I have 7 inch wrists), it works on the bracelet to have that sporty vibe, but you can put it on a leather strap and it dresses up or down depending on what you're wearing. 2. the movement is legit, accurate, and it has that slightly higher beat frequency (not that it's super noticeable, but for a watch nerd, it's nice to have) 3. the Seiko, while beautiful just feels slightly incomplete as a whole.
Love my hydroconquest.
Agreed. I Had an omega semester and Def. Recommend the longines. I simply cannot justify the price of the omega but the longines I can
Agree fully love the longines 😊
These are my exact two watches. Both beautiful and I love them both. My seiko does run a little fast, the Hydroconquest is definitely more accurate. I got both on sale but regardless the Hydroconquest is about 50% more than the 143 so you’d expect a higher level of precision. Both are brilliant.
Do you have a favourite out of the 2 ?
Have both the SPB143 and Hydroconquest (older ally bezel) and love the Seiko look, but disapointed with the movement performance (+10s/day). Longines had a good eta movment, but the crown guards are awful, pinching my fingers every time i adjust the crown. The older bracelet had no taper and felt/looked like a much cheaper microbrand item. For me, the Seiko wins as a tool like submariner for the people! Thanks for the review.
Perfect video! Finally! Thanks man 😍😍❤️❤️
Tusind tak Anders! Love your work
Fantastic comparison review,leaning to the hydroconquest .Glad they now make it in a 39 mm for me a no brainer .
My SPB143 should be arriving today. I ordered it last week. In the interim, I’ve rewatched your videos about 15 times each 😂. Thanks.
I hope you know every detail about the watch now. Congratulations 😀👍🏻
Thanks for the review, that SEIKO SPB143, it’s very nice! But, i’m not very agree with the Merchandise Policy of SEIKO, I prefer the Longines, it’s simply beautiful!
For style, history and movement quality I always choose Longines. By the way, you can buy the Longines around 1200,- EUR
You can buy for £860
@@davemarsden1259 New or used?
very nice review! thanks!
I have the hydroconquest blue dial and yellow gold. It's absolutely beautiful!
Well done video. Very interesting and informative.
Awesome comparison 👍
I love that Seiko
When you consider their movements and the pricepoints of other watches including the movement, the Longines is better option by a wide margin. The Longines is "underpriced" considering the modified 2892 under the hood (the L888 is heavily modified but at the end of the day is still a 2892).
The Seiko is overpriced given the 6R35, which can be found in watches less than half the price of the prospex diver in question.
Seiko needs a new movement for the $1000+ pricepoint if they want to push their prices up. As reliable as the 6R35 is, at the end of the day its still basically a prettied up 7s26, which is as basic as it gets. Bringing the 4S line back would be a good start.
I own the SPB143 currently, and previously owned the Longines about a year ago. I agree with you about the specs of the Longines and the movement in the Longines is far superior. My SPB timekeeping is frankly subpar. However, the SPB exists better in a collection. It’s far more unique, it’s more interesting, has far better heritage than this particular Longines line, and the gray dial is stunning in person.
@@ViolinistWilliam Whilst I would agree that the older model hydroconquests were a bit generic and plain, I personally find that the revised Hydroconquests come off looking much nicer than the SPB143. The inclusion of more dressy elements, such as its sunburst dials, thinner font, Arabic numerals and the "snowflake" hour hand, as well as an upgrade in build quality makes it a very distinct watch in the diver category which is much more focused on sporty and aggressive designs.
The SPB143 is a much more generic diver in my opinion. Whilst it adheres to Seiko's "Grammar of Design", it plays it incredibly safe and (IMHO) ends up looking like just another generic diver - especially when compared to other divers (such as the SPB151 "Willard reissue") in the Seiko Prospex Stable.
In terms of heritage, the Longines has no less of diver heritage than Seiko however, neither the Hydroconquest or the SPB143 has a direct link to older models - unlike other divers from both brands. Whilst the Seiko takes design queues from classic 60s and 70s Seikos, it is clearly a modern model rather than a reissue. Similarly, the hydroconquest is a modern design unlike the Legend or heritage Longines Divers but it is still an extension of the conquest line of waterproof "sports" watches and divers that goes back to the 50s.
Whats wrong with 2892 movement 🤔 eta movement top notch 👌
Basically swap the Longines movement into the Seiko and then you have a great watch.
Some people say you should compare a Seiko to Longines and should only be compared to the likes of Tissot because Seiko isn’t entry-level luxury. I see no reason why you can compare these 2 watches as Anders has done here. They are priced comparatively at retail with the Hydroconquest at $1600 and the SPB143 at $1200. Granted folks are used to seeing heavily discounted Seikos on the gray market but I believe we’re going to see that slow down as Seiko is getting more active in limiting that kind of activity. Yes, Seiko badly needs to address their QC issues. In this comparison, both watches stand up well and have features I like and dislike. Personally, I own a SPB149 and plan on buying a Hydroconquest. Great comparison of 2 different styles (vintage vs modern) of dive watches !! 👍👍
I would go with the Longines over the Seiko. I have 2 Seikos they are good watches but I just prefer Swiss made these days. Evan at entry level.
Just sold my 6r35 Sumo, like my old 6r15 Alpinist found both pretty inconsistent in their accuracy. Looked at the Longines but the date at 3 kills it for me, so I bought the Oris Aquis and am very happy with it.
Cheers mate 👍🏻👍🏻
Hi Steve. The Aquis is an excellent choice 👏🏻
I completely agree with you on the Longines a nice luxury watch. seiko on the other hand l would never consider to be luxury. Quite the opposite actually...
Seiko is a mid-range brand - should be compared to Tissot, not Longines.
@@thetruth495. seiko should be compared to Citizen and Orient and all the micro brand seiko supplies movements for...
@@thetruth495 A moment of silence to those who think that Longines is luxury 🤣🤣🤣
@@oaoaoas lol loginess is junk. I Checked on wrist it felt so light and cheap. Went for 143 far superior.
@@khalifa2080 hahahaha bullshit!!! 😆😆😆😎👍
SPB147 and Hydroconquest 41 ceramic owner here.
The Longines is leagues above.
Why though?
Nice video, but the Seiko bezel insert is not aluminium, it is stainless steel?
Nice video👌greets from Germany
21mm is annoying for a lug width, but it's almost a sort of standard because it's (I think) what the Rolex sea dweller/deep sea has and thus all the many homages which follow it also have that same lug width. Because I like homages of the deep sea I get that lug width a lot.
I put this bracelet on the seiko spb143
Uncle's notes:
Do you love the 62MAS reissue but hate the bracelet? The new SPB14x Oyster from your favorite Uncle will fix that. Sleek and slender and without those ugly male end links.
What's included:
One bracelet, one pair of end-links, two pairs of 2.5mm spring bars (one set with custom tips to fix any tolerance issues).
Specs:
Lug width to Buckle: 20mm / 16mm
Length: 180mm
Min.length after adjusted : 120mm
Clasp : 316L Stainless Steel 16mm Milled Clasp, 3 micro-adjustment holes
Thickness: 2.9mm to 2.3mm (thickness tapers)
Net Weight: 70 gram
Finish: Brushed metal
Spring bar diameter: 2.5mm
Lug end style : Standard Curved End
Adjustment type : 7 removable links-- screw type adjustment
Material : 316L Stainless Steel, all solid links (solid end links)
Tapers from 20 to 16 mm
Looks great.
Got and love the Seiko, Both lovely tho.
The Seiko all the way for me👍
My goodness that SPB143 gets me everytime, what a stunner, can't get over how good it looks. Clear winner for me.
I'm also thinking about getting the all new Charlie Paris - Concordia - 300M that's now up for pre-order.
Hydro Conquest. I would like to see a green dial version in the sun.
love the SEIKO
Definitely the seiko for me. I far prefer the seiko in every detail , design, bracelet ,dial, lume and wear ability.
+/- 20 sec/day
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I have many seiko watches and most run in single figures. I've only ever had 2 that were 20 seconds and I just regulated them myself .
Lol so much crying Seiko fan boys here its ridiculous, im a BIG Seiko fan Seiko is my favourite brand but with quallity control problems, and overall build, this Longines movement and build quallity just destroys that Seiko and the older version of Hydroconquest is the same price as this Seiko and still beats it.
Why you say this?
👱🏻♂️🥊 I punch you in the head.
Only joking.
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Unfortunately Hi I got this spb143 ,my first diver ever what a beauty, however I have damaged very first threading on crown tube. It’s screwing unscrewing perfectly fine. Will it cause issue in long term ? Or I should get it repaired right away. Please guide
Longines is a brand with so mutch potencial. Longines all day long.
I kind of want both...
Hi Sir I have to say that you are my favorite wach reviewer, Love Seiko but the longings movement it's the difference between this two for me!
Thank you! 🙏🙏🙏
The Seiko's bezel is made of stainless steel.
I love the Hydroconquest "snowflake" hands. I am not a fan of the Tudor blocky "snowflake" hands, they do not flow with watch dials, looks unfinished. The Longines elongated and sword tip "snow flake" is beautiful.
The look of Seiko is fantastic
I had planned to buy a Willard but ended up buying the 143. I really love the watch but have to say the clasp is the part that lets it down for me. I'd much prefer if it didn't have the cheap looking and feeling dive extension (this part is just pressed metal). Other than that it feels really good. I've never liked the look of the Conquest. It wasn't even something I thought of as an option, but an interesting comparison nonetheless.
Strapcode offers a bracelet for this watch. The 143 is my 3rd watch with an upgrade by Strapcode and it’s been a great success
I went into a local ad too look at aquis and walked out more happy with a spb207j1
@@jeffd3802 hello I am hesitating between two spb207 models and the spb183 what do you recommend. thank you
Just ordered the 143 and the Strapcode bracelet upgrade. I always upgrade with Strapcode. It’s going to be a monster.
Isnt a downgrade from strapcode? This oem seiko bracelet is way too good than strapcode’s not even mentioning dia shieled coating on oem bracelet.
The proportions of the Seiko design look better to me
For me the winner is the HC, i will buy it! Nice video👏👏👏
Is it just me or do the 2 and 0 not line up on 20 marker on the bezel of the Longines?
This Seiko is amazing
Excuse me but the longines is definitely a watch I would see an older man wearing, the Seiko looks better, I'll take the risk on QC any day with the looks of seiko
Seiko for me
Excellent review, the finishing on the Seiko is exactly like my Seiko SRPD51K2, which is more sports with only 100m resistance. I had an opportunity to get an Orient Mako XL yesterday at a 45% discount so spontaneous decision, I bought it. And you know I just noticed that the Longines case is very like the Mako in some ways. It's also a pretty big watch, possibly bigger lug to lug than the Longines. Both are very nice but would probably still go for the Seiko out of the two, though partly because I have a couple of blue watches already. I went for the black Mako with orange bezel. Really striking combination!
Owned both, regarding build quality and quality control, Longines wins, hands down. So did the accuracy for me as well. I have gone through a couple of the Seiko's, purely down to the horrible quality control. However, the look and comfort of the Seiko...I just love it, I just wish I didn't!
Yes, unfortunately at least up to recently it's always been a lottery with Seiko! I was very lucky with my Seiko 5 Sports, the newer model, I got recently. +4 spd AND the bonus of a perfectly aligned chapter ring! Lol. When you order online you never know what you're going to get. Must say I'm happy with it. Only 100m resistance though, so just got a great deal on an Orient Mako XL. The Longines is very nice, bezel markings exactly the same as the Mako I just got. I have too many blue watches though! I do disagree on build quality though, Seiko has excellent build quality on their divers, bracelets leave a lot to be desired but the same is true for the Longines.
Quite honestly, the Seiko’s finishing is better. Unfortunately, the 6R35 is so disappointing. Amazing watch though in person. Super unique.
Disappointing that even at the 1000 price range seiko STILL cant align a damn bezel and chapter ring.
Seiko is an awesome brand but very unsexy. This Seiko model is great, got it myself and love it. Longines HydroConquest is on my radar as well, as it is a lot of value for the money, but the symmetry between the elements (bezel, dial) is not very good.
Hi Johan. Have you seen the new two-tone Hydroconquest Longines just released? They look excellent.
Best regards,
Anders
The Seiko looks so much cheaper in person. The Longines is another level and also has a better mechanism.
Only in name. Seiko has better mech, and in detailization and processing seiko is just on another level.
@@sultanr932 You said nothing about the disappointing Seiko 6R35 movement. :D Pretty bad accuracy compared to most of the competition, including this amazing L888 from Longines. And yes, the Seiko still looks cheap and yes, the Longines is miles ahead in quality and design.
And yes Seiko has the same type of fanboys like Xiaomi in the smartphone industry for selling cheap (at least they used to) so most of the people who can't affortd something better started glorifying it.
@@N7Sound something better than xiaomi? What ? iPhone with the technologies of 2017? Overpriced Samsung? They speak facts. And seiko has much better design. Longines doesn't have its style, and particularly this model us🤢🤮🤮
@@sultanr932 iPhone with 2017 tech? Dude the Apple chips, including the M1 are the future. Everything integrated in one chip. Talking about the Seiko, because I'm a designer, if you want I can technically explain why their watches and some other japanese products are pretty average in terms of styling.
I think spb143 looks better in terms of appearance🤔
Die HC ist die "modernere" Uhr. Mit dem ETA hat sie wahrscheinlich auch das bessere Werk verbaut. Aber die 143 sieht einfach viel besser aus. Für den Preis trage ich lieber die Seiko. Wenn es hochwertiger werden soll, nehme ich meine BB s&g oder meine kleine oyster. Die Seiko hat Charakter
I tried the 39mm HydroConquest (the older version). The size was perfect but I prefer the dial on the new one but no 39mm for this one...
So the Seiko SPB143 is reserved on my name until the 140th anniversary edition (SPB213) arrives. I will have to decide which one to take home :-)
Cool video!
Longines has released 39mm ceramic and is a beaut!
@@resjon7981 The (black) ceramic is 43mm 🤔
Please, can you write me the link of the site where you bought the longines
Hi Fernando. I bought it through Chrono24. Try to look there. You can find it at different prices.
Take the Longines movement and cermaic bezel... put it in the Seiko... then it would be perfect
But please don't forget to fix the misalignments as well. Only then it'll be perfect. ;)
Torn between which one I prefer. The sunburst dial of the Longines looks amazing but I prefer the vintage look of the Seiko. Also I feel the Longines has a better movement but it is several 100$s more in price.
When you spend that much money 100$ is peanuts like nothing since longines movement is better than Seiko.
@@Visitor555 But it’s not $100. The Longines cost him $300-400 more so 25-30% more so not really peanuts for a better movement.
Love Seiko but it isnt heritage luxury like Longines, especially lately where Longines is being positioned closer to Tudor everyday.
I'm sorry... But the Longines is superior in almost everyway. And I LOVE that Seiko
Is the Seiko really what most would call a luxury watch? I'm not so sure. I've never examined a Longines in person. Pricing differences aside, I'd prefer the Longines if it doesn't utilize pins and collars. Nice review.
Hi Matthew. I call it “entry-level luxury”. I woulden’t call it a luxury watch. You need to get towards Grand Seiko to find luxury from Seiko.
Best regards,
Anders
@@TimeAndCrown and reasonable time keeping.
I always had my one eye one the hydroconquest but in my opinion it's a bit too clumsy, maybe I need to see it in real life.
I tried it on wrist a few years back and it was awesome. Slightly regretting not getting it then because prices have gone up now.
I love the Longines. I just can’t get around the bracelet polish. Scratch monster.
Brush them out 😊
@@digbe9308 ended up with neither. Wound up getting the Longines Conquest GMT and happy I did. The bracelet is much nicer. Probably go for an Oris Aquis as a diver, or maybe a 44mm Hydroconquest blue.
@@endlessrage4062 nice choice I have that as well 😊
The Longines gives me mako 2 vibes.
This is a very interesting comparison, well at least price wise. A modern iteration of the Dive watch against a more vintage/classic one. As I have experienced both watches extensively, one of which I personally own, here are my thoughts:
Seiko is not pretending to be luxurious like the Longines, which is definitely not a luxury item nor does it feel like a luxury watch in person. That does not make it a bad watch by any means.
The Seiko is more honest, better build, will hold up much better due to Diashield and is by far better looking IMO.
I do not get the "Swiss Made" fluff, thats a premium added on the price, to trick you into the hallucination that you wear an Omega or Rolex or something of a similar calibre.
This is not a competion at all, its a no-brainer. But you should buy what you like :).
Sorry for the long comment and thank you for the great video.
Hi Constantinos. I think your comment is very relevant - and I agree with you with your points. The Longines looks very good. I think it's kind of the very affordable Omega Seamaster - but Longines need to do more with the bracelet and the clasp. They could also do some more fine finished on the case.
The Seiko is a very good stage up from a lot their more affordable divers. The case finishing is often very good but bracelet and alignment is very bad. The SPB143 corrects a lot of the cheapness of $400-600 Seiko divers.
I would always recommend buying the SPB143 instead of buying 2-3 $400-600 Seikos. Get one very good Seiko and not 2-3-4 mediocre.
Best regards,
Anders
I agree 100% with you, it really is a no-brainer
Will never go for the Seiko diver watches. They have QC issues. Longines is much better in terms of this by a long mile. Also, Seiko can only be compared with the likes of Tissot/Mido/Certina. Even when compared, the 3 mentioned will have no issues taking down seiko. I own a seiko watch but the accuracy of it off the shelve is awful.
Tissot makes pretty good watches like the seastar all black ceramic bezel
@@sagyobi I didnt have a seastar. But looking at the sides, its very thick. I got the hydroconquest for a bargain. Its great! Everything a diver watch can ask for. As for tissot, I do have one of its powermatic 80. Its almost 10 years since I own it. Only sent it once for servicing at the tissot service center. and they didnt charge me at all - Biggest shock of my life.
Seiko has just left the building.
Noooooooooooooo
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No comparison longines is in another league from seiko.
Think the measurements of the seiko were missed out.
Hi Marcus. It’s:
40,5 in diameter
13,2 mm in height
20 mm lug width
47,5 mm lug to lug
Best regards,
Anders
@@TimeAndCrown thanks Anders!
Def the Longines, that Seiko looks like any other generic dive watch. But damn, the HC has gone up in price. Bought mine in 2013, same color and size (alu bezel of course) for around 700 euros...
the seiko just looks better imo
Longines all day long. :)
Cant stand that seiko clasp …. they put the divers extension in the most stupid place….
Bezel is stainless steel
the Longines and it's not even close
Longines Only
the Hydroconquest has never done anything for me. This one isn't even close.
Seiko is not even a luxury name brand. Grand Seiko is luxury.
I own the Hydroconquest and I also own a Seiko Turtle. Way cheaper than this SPB. Guess what. The Hydro regularly runs out of its power reserve just because I wear the cheaper Seiko so much more.
Why do you wear the seiko more?
@@daveLin104 multiple reasons. The first one being the fact that my line of work doesn’t require me to dress up too formally. Even smart casual isn’t required. And I myself am more comfortable dressing down and more of a “streetwear” look. Even when we meet with clients (corporate, but marketing environment) we dress very casual. The longines is a bit more dressy, with polished finishing on the case as well as the bracelet. The Seiko on the other hand suits the more casual outfits way better. Then another reason is the history of the Seiko. The Seiko has way more history than the longines. It’s an actual iso certified diver and has been worn by numerous military servicemen. There have been so many publications out there about the seiko’s tried and tested experience in the field. And then the third reason (which combines the previous two reasons) is the fact that the seiko turtle is so much more versatile than the longines. Put it on nato. It looks amazing. Put it on an artem sailcloth, it looks amazing. Purchase one of the gazilion aftermarket stainless steel bracelets from strapcode, it looks amazing. Put it on a classic period correct rubber strap, it will look amazing. Which brings me to the fourth reason. The Seikos are classic designs tracing back to the 1960’s and 1970’s. Almost unchanged except for some markings on the dial. That makes them even more appealing to put on. Hope that explains it.
@marvinduval thanks for such a detailed reply 👍 I can see your point it matches your overall style. I am like that my watches tend to be more casual style. The reason I asked is because I have the spb143 and keep thinking of the hydroconquest as well. Maybe I should just stick to the 143 as it will suit my style more like you. I do also keep thinking of the slim turtle as well though as I have smaller wrists. I do love the slim turtle but do feel its lost some of the turtle design if that makes sense. Wish the normal turtle would fit me, thanks again.
No hay punto.de comparacion..
La calidad prestigio y lujo se impone..
Nada q hacer ahi Seiko..
Using real seiko, quality is still far from hydroconquest It also has a price that is more expensive than quality.
Do you own the watch?
Longines, definitely! More than €1.000 for a Seiko, just isn't for me.
Seiko can't beat the horological history, and the elegance of a Longines.
Seiko is undervalued… seiko is best japan!
I have checked both on my wrist before making my mind, longiness felt cheap and cheezy and light where as seiko was robust that polishing and sunburst dial is killer and all that for low price. I don’t know why people but longiness junk.
Interesting perspective calling Longines junk. When I said interesting I actually ment strange.
@@TimeAndCrown he is just another regular hater that doesnt know shit about watches. Dont mind these delusional people.
I'm not keen on either. Both are overpriced, but the Longines is definitely the better watch. The comparison is also wrong, because Seiko is a mass market brand while Longines is a luxury brand. Seiko should be compared to Tissot instead.
Longines makes great watches but it is not a luxury brand.
@@user-ue4nq3kc3j It most certainly IS a luxury brand!! Anyone who know the history of Longines can tell you that. Luxury doesn't mean watches costing $100k and studded with diamonds. The average guy in the street will never consider spending more than $150 on a watch at the most.
@@thetruth495 What does history have to do with luxury? Plenty of non luxury watch brands have amazing history and amazing vintage models, but that does not make them luxury items.
Don't get me wrong, I like Longines, but it simply isn't a luxury watch.
Omega is the cheapest luxury brand from Swatch group.
@@user-ue4nq3kc3j its Entry level luxury my friend
@@user-ue4nq3kc3jYou live under a rock? Longines, Oris etc are luxury brands. Learn about watches then speak. Omega and Rolex are the most overpriced "luxury" brands. Longines and Oris beats Omega for the price everyday of the week twice on sunday. For the money of this Hydroconquest which is modern watch made with great materials you can only buy vintage CRAP from Omega for this money haha.
The end links on the seiko is so ugly
I put mine on this
Uncle's notes:
Do you love the 62MAS reissue but hate the bracelet? The new SPB14x Oyster from your favorite Uncle will fix that. Sleek and slender and without those ugly male end links.
What's included:
One bracelet, one pair of end-links, two pairs of 2.5mm spring bars (one set with custom tips to fix any tolerance issues).
Specs:
Lug width to Buckle: 20mm / 16mm
Length: 180mm
Min.length after adjusted : 120mm
Clasp : 316L Stainless Steel 16mm Milled Clasp, 3 micro-adjustment holes
Thickness: 2.9mm to 2.3mm (thickness tapers)
Net Weight: 70 gram
Finish: Brushed metal
Spring bar diameter: 2.5mm
Lug end style : Standard Curved End
Adjustment type : 7 removable links-- screw type adjustment
Material : 316L Stainless Steel, all solid links (solid end links)
The amount of comments just claiming that the Longines is "leagues above", without elaborating, is just hilarious. Lots of sunken cost fallacy here. 😂
But I do agree that Seiko needs a new, better movement for these expensive models, in general though, especially when also considering the price-point, it seems very competitive here.
Longines by far, why even compare
Entry level? They are above a grand? Wtf
Entry-level LUXURY.
@@TimeAndCrown yes fair enough, that's different. Great video!
@@jameshoey69 Thank you 🙂
I love my Hydroconquest and i also love my Seiko Captain Willard SPB 151J1🤗🤗🤗🤗🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰😍😍😍😍🤩🤩🤩🤩
Nice 👌🏻
Do you have a favourite?