A well designed RTS game has three key strategies which counter each other: Turtle>Rush>Boom>Turtle. Also, the top players are always scouting and they remain flexible in order to react and then counter attack if they see a weakness. Minor harassment in early game also doubles as scouting, which isn't the same as an all in rush. All three strategies should be viable otherwise the game will become stale and boring.
All 3 are viable. Red was trying to raid a civ that can produce villagers for half the cost. The cost of his trades were not worth it. He should have adapted but kept with the same thing probably because it’s easy against newer players, but a skilled player easily beat him
@@NorthernBuffalo yeah it's easy, I guess a new player mindset to just desperately stick to the same thing and hope your opponent breaks. I'm still around this level
Once you had multiple tcs my dude really needed to switch up his strategy he relied way too much on catching one or two vills while losing half his horsemen.
For the same reason people are mad at any lack-of-action strat in a multiplayer strattegy game. They think it's boring, I honestly don't mind, as the strategic thinking is what entertains me, but some people want more action and things to happen through out the game.
@@nathanaeltheconqueror8628 Those people should probably play a game like C&C 3 or Red Alert 3 or something. You practically can't turtle in those games.
@@ArawnOfAnnwn Yeah, I agree. That stuff happens alot in games with havy strategic elements. There are lots of people who play them, that don't actually care about the strategic elements, more about learning the right moves for the right instances and then running around doing stuff.
You will hate me but I love turtling XD, building cities to make them pretty, put an archer within 2 centímetres on a wall, having a massive late game army with powder
Idk why the chinese didn't transition to chunoku's to snipe vills and kill spearmen or fast castle for siege or also boomed as well. Spent literally half the game rushing with horsemen doing literally nothing.
One of the things I like about walls now is that even partial walls can be useful, you don't necessarily need to make it complete, but just a platform to give your archers near immunity from cavalry, and make a region very hard to raid without casualties
It truly makes such a difference. I used to play an old RTS that was a bit too zoomed in too, and then I downloaded a mod that adjusted the camera zoom to be sliiiightly further out, and the game got so much more pleasant to play! I hope the devs are listening and does something about the camera
The way building get destroyed was way better in AOE 3. Here it looks like giant Lego set falling appart. Hope dev will be working on better visual mechanics.
Yeah. Ive been doing the same game's tatctics since age of Empire 2. I usually sorround entire cities with small fortification defended by archers and cavalry. Eventually I smash and entire city from outiside with Range weapons. Thats the perfect siege, then my soldier goes inside to bring chaos and death.
When you said you needed to connect your TC's to the network, what does that mean? I noticed you made sure to connect all of the building squares. What's the benefit to doing that?
Its a special ability of the civ he is playing, once he hits a specific milestone in how many houses are connected to the network he gets economic bonuses.
He got salty but he had the advantage he had you pinned was picking off workers etc but then didn't press in and looks like his unit comp was bad. If he had some front line troops to keep your men at arms back I think he would have done a lot better.
Turtling is just playing in a manner more defensive in nature, less all-in rush. Proper turtling strat is to wall up your eco pretty early and/or add a few towers/tc's to garrison in to protect ur eco from raiding, whilst constantly using that eco to create a military pressure that just pushes and pushes against the enemy. No good turtler intends to sit idly back the whole game and let his opponent gain full control of the map, that is a rookie mistake
What are the benefits of extra town centres in AoE4? I understand it in SC2 as that's the only place to drop of resources and in AoM it adds to pop cap. But since you can drop resources at other points is it just so you can produce workers faster?
The fact that Drongo get pissed with the red player doesn't stop harassing him with horsemen even when he even did not get early pikes, the constant Aussie swearing, the intense epic Saracen music played when raided in the background and the fact that Drongo manages to get Middle Golden Age despite all the odds makes this video PERFECT.
Sir Drongo, if you allow me to ask it, what is your latency? Just cuz there were so many times where you would click the villager to get in and they took at least .3s to respond... :(
Bad play by the chinese, when he got you off of the gold, he could have used that as an advantage to castle up. His second wonder being so far forward was also not good, especially with no archers to back them up. I do not enjoy the click micro generally, but especially in this game.
I love turtling but I just think the maps have mostly been too small in age of empires series to really make it work it. Usually the best strategy is to use the resources elsewhere.
Drongo probably recorded many games during the beta so that he could release gameplay gradually until launch day to keep viewers coming back. Easy strat
That guy was wayyyyyy too obsessed with harass that was pretty ineffectual against your strategy. But also you should've been making stable and archery range units much much earlier, there is no reason to be sticking on pikes for so long and trying to chase fast units with slow ones. You are a good player but won this game because opponent threw. Pikes > Cavalry > Archers > Pikes. Need rock paper and scissors to have a balanced strategy. If he had counter-boomed and gone harder on archers and not thrown away horsemen you'd have been absolutely fucked
im real excited to play this game, my main gripe is y it has to be so G rated and 6-yo friendly. hopefully free patch with some death animations n shit.
I love turtling, its fun to play defensive. But a skilled player will see that and adapt his strategy to counter, not just keep slammin units at the problem. Plenty of ways to counter turtle in this game.
I hate turtling. I've been playing multiplayer games vs hard AI, every teamate just builds an army and walls up. I build an army, attack, get close to taking out an AI , teamate stays turtled. I lose my troops , both AI counter attack me (my teamate still turtling) and take me out. Please stop turtling and work together making coordinated attacks.
I hate rushing. You dont get the full game experience if you only spam scouts on vils till the other guy runs out of food. Gotta let it build, build an army, organize your base, get some walls, have real battles with fully upgraded troops, then you see who is really the better player.
That's not how it goes tho. I used to hate rushing too, but in high levels people also know how to defend so rushing doesn't end it. Rushing is just part of the game, it will give you an advantage / disadvantage, but it wont necessarily end the game when players are equal. Good players play all types of strategies and can adapt and flow from strat to strat based on whats happening in the game.
I'm not even sure you could consider this turtling. He didn't even build a wall until almost 20 minutes in. Red did a great job in everything but transitioning out of his harass. The whole point of them adding the victory points was to punish the way aussie played this one and red didn't take advantage.
I feel like TCs are too powerful, the range is insane and they do so much damage. Do they even fire without any villager inside too ? I'd like to see a bit of a nerf, to promote more aggression.
@@ptealixpaint tbh red idea wasnt the best, if aussie was spamming pikes and booming real hard he should have switched strategy instead of trying over and over to raid vs all of that
I feel like the Chinese player should have used the harassment better. He kept your focus off of important things for long periods of time, but didn’t actually do anything with the time he bought. You countered his harassment by using your TCs well- it’s not like he cud take down your TCs with just horsemen. He shud a have started to get some siege and archers out to really pressure you.
I think they need to make it more obvious what civ you are playing. For the enjoyment of the viewing experience, as all I see is that you are playing as blue, without any flags or insignias I can't tell for the life of me what civ you are playing
I mean… the house of wisdom? Only Abbasid gets it lol… also it’s pretty easy to see the Arabian style architecture.. maybe you aren’t trying hard enough to notice the differences.
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A well designed RTS game has three key strategies which counter each other: Turtle>Rush>Boom>Turtle. Also, the top players are always scouting and they remain flexible in order to react and then counter attack if they see a weakness. Minor harassment in early game also doubles as scouting, which isn't the same as an all in rush. All three strategies should be viable otherwise the game will become stale and boring.
Okay, boomer.
All 3 are viable. Red was trying to raid a civ that can produce villagers for half the cost. The cost of his trades were not worth it. He should have adapted but kept with the same thing probably because it’s easy against newer players, but a skilled player easily beat him
@@NorthernBuffalo yeah it's easy, I guess a new player mindset to just desperately stick to the same thing and hope your opponent breaks. I'm still around this level
a turtle is a boom. what are u talking about
I love the new infantry building siege mechanic
A bit anachronistic, but molotov cocktails as an upgrade would be hilarious 👌
@@Gerolanfalan weren't invented until the 20th century
Wait, are you saying that ALCOOL AND FIRE werent used until molotov was created? /s
The dehli civ or w/e it's called, infantry can build stone walls n shit too.
Its not new, its from aoe3
There's my daily dose of AOE4
Once you had multiple tcs my dude really needed to switch up his strategy he relied way too much on catching one or two vills while losing half his horsemen.
rushers vs turtles and turtles vs rushers, a tale of hatred as old as time.
*Red player went harassing with cav
*Blue player plays defensive due to being harassed by cav
Red Player: AgE oF cAmPiNg
Also, where was his army? He offered 0 resistance once drongo broke through that keep. Like, what was he spending his money on?
Why was he mad? All he did was spam raiding cav onto your pikemens, then complain that booming and hard counters work
For the same reason people are mad at any lack-of-action strat in a multiplayer strattegy game. They think it's boring, I honestly don't mind, as the strategic thinking is what entertains me, but some people want more action and things to happen through out the game.
@@nathanaeltheconqueror8628 Those people should probably play a game like C&C 3 or Red Alert 3 or something. You practically can't turtle in those games.
@@ArawnOfAnnwn Yeah, I agree. That stuff happens alot in games with havy strategic elements. There are lots of people who play them, that don't actually care about the strategic elements, more about learning the right moves for the right instances and then running around doing stuff.
Same reason Aussie was mad when opponent raided his base, emotion is weakness.
Turtling is the most satisfying way to play imo
More i watch the more i cant wait for the game launch.
Same. I'm very pumped for this one!
Complains that Aussie was "camping" after harrassing him for 20 fucking min
You will hate me but I love turtling XD, building cities to make them pretty, put an archer within 2 centímetres on a wall, having a massive late game army with powder
Same, competitive play can be fun but it's also stressful, sometimes it's fun to play with some casuals and have those huge, fun late game battles
Idk why the chinese didn't transition to chunoku's to snipe vills and kill spearmen or fast castle for siege or also boomed as well.
Spent literally half the game rushing with horsemen doing literally nothing.
One of the things I like about walls now is that even partial walls can be useful, you don't necessarily need to make it complete, but just a platform to give your archers near immunity from cavalry, and make a region very hard to raid without casualties
Turtling in medieval strategy game? Oh the humanity...
Lmao, the pikemen riot just torching the crap out of that was hilarious.
Thank you for your content Drongo. Great way to get my itch of AOE4
Man, I can't believe you won with no units.
Q: "Its easy when you have laser rifles Picard."
embarrassing to see guy get tilted
Wow the game really sound boring without all the voicelines haha
I mean
Some voicelines actually became the main attraction for some games
AAAAAaaaaaaAAAAAAaaaa
normally I'd agree but in this game? no ty... I quite enjoyed the video without voicelines tbh
haha no
It feels like we need to be able to zoom out further or something because the scale is a bit off.
It truly makes such a difference. I used to play an old RTS that was a bit too zoomed in too, and then I downloaded a mod that adjusted the camera zoom to be sliiiightly further out, and the game got so much more pleasant to play! I hope the devs are listening and does something about the camera
whats your counter against 6+ nest of bees? assuming you let them build them in the first place. mangonels?
People hate rushing more than anything
Yeah I like actually fighting the opponent not ending the game before it’s begun.
The way building get destroyed was way better in AOE 3. Here it looks like giant Lego set falling appart.
Hope dev will be working on better visual mechanics.
Yea they need to add some dust and smoke particles. Also mass to the broken pieces, they look like plastic falling as you said.
Did you make like 50 videos during the beta weekend or do you have an exclusive special permanent beta key?
I was a man with a plan. Technically, I have enough footage to release two videos a day until release.
@@AussieDrongo for that we are eternally grateful
Did he mute the characters or is that how the game is? because there is no sound when they attack or when they die
He set the speech voices to 0 in settings in a previous video
Im more of a relax type of player, my biggest fun in Age of empire is to build pretty looking city surrounded with wall while I fight normal/hard A.I.
Yeah. Ive been doing the same game's tatctics since age of Empire 2. I usually sorround entire cities with small fortification defended by archers and cavalry. Eventually I smash and entire city from outiside with Range weapons. Thats the perfect siege, then my soldier goes inside to bring chaos and death.
When you said you needed to connect your TC's to the network, what does that mean? I noticed you made sure to connect all of the building squares. What's the benefit to doing that?
Its a special ability of the civ he is playing, once he hits a specific milestone in how many houses are connected to the network he gets economic bonuses.
He got salty but he had the advantage he had you pinned was picking off workers etc but then didn't press in and looks like his unit comp was bad. If he had some front line troops to keep your men at arms back I think he would have done a lot better.
What is the Strat. when you turtle? i dont quite get it (i´m new)
Turtling is just playing in a manner more defensive in nature, less all-in rush. Proper turtling strat is to wall up your eco pretty early and/or add a few towers/tc's to garrison in to protect ur eco from raiding, whilst constantly using that eco to create a military pressure that just pushes and pushes against the enemy. No good turtler intends to sit idly back the whole game and let his opponent gain full control of the map, that is a rookie mistake
Damn. Going 3 tc's really helps survive against heavy raiding. GG
Gotta do more efficient raiding and not neglect your own eco.
Is saying one more syllable for Town Center that hard?
The Abbasid dynasty is my favorite civ. Keep it up and nice video
god I learned in that video that we'll know the score in game.. that bums me out this was one of the main thing I was hyped about aoe4..
What are the benefits of extra town centres in AoE4? I understand it in SC2 as that's the only place to drop of resources and in AoM it adds to pop cap. But since you can drop resources at other points is it just so you can produce workers faster?
And added safety. The option to garrison vils when the raiders approach is a huge benefit.
well all civs can make men at arms, which were the bulk of most armies, so it makes sense to have them strong and incentivize people to use them.
"Ram Ranch"? LMFAO!
gg but why the tital no one turtled ???
How are you still playing this game? Or was all of this recorded during open beta? Enjoying your videos btw.
technical streeesss tessst?
Pre-recorded gameplays
Group tc with a house to stop ding ding.
There is a reason why all these ancient civilizations used walls.
-I'm not the kind of guy who build walls
*build walls*
xD good video tho
"Yes it is the new one" Ha ha, love it.
Is there a way to still access?
The fact that Drongo get pissed with the red player doesn't stop harassing him with horsemen even when he even did not get early pikes, the constant Aussie swearing, the intense epic Saracen music played when raided in the background and the fact that Drongo manages to get Middle Golden Age despite all the odds makes this video PERFECT.
He also had no defence. Just 2 keeps and when they went down he was finished?
Sir Drongo, if you allow me to ask it, what is your latency? Just cuz there were so many times where you would click the villager to get in and they took at least .3s to respond... :(
" age of camping tc" ... lol dude didnt even use siege or anything just cav... This isnt the 90's game anymore, use your head
The sheer lack of using G to have them all go inside cost you quite a few villagers.
Counting every day until release
Some walls would have saved some villagers i think.
is the stress test still going?
Bad play by the chinese, when he got you off of the gold, he could have used that as an advantage to castle up. His second wonder being so far forward was also not good, especially with no archers to back them up.
I do not enjoy the click micro generally, but especially in this game.
I love turtling but I just think the maps have mostly been too small in age of empires series to really make it work it. Usually the best strategy is to use the resources elsewhere.
AoE4 Revenge of Quasimodo
Why not the tech that gives your villagers more hp if all you are doing is villagers and spearmen
Can I play if i preorder? How you people play?
No, this was all footage from the limited beta, thats why "technical stress test" was always moving around the screen.
AGE OF CAMPING BAHAHAHAHA bloody oath mate. That be my motto right there hahaha
How do you still have so much content when the beta has been over for so long?
Drongo probably recorded many games during the beta so that he could release gameplay gradually until launch day to keep viewers coming back. Easy strat
@@Harley002 it's a lot of content to create over a weekend, but yeah that's what I suspected.
That guy was wayyyyyy too obsessed with harass that was pretty ineffectual against your strategy. But also you should've been making stable and archery range units much much earlier, there is no reason to be sticking on pikes for so long and trying to chase fast units with slow ones. You are a good player but won this game because opponent threw. Pikes > Cavalry > Archers > Pikes. Need rock paper and scissors to have a balanced strategy. If he had counter-boomed and gone harder on archers and not thrown away horsemen you'd have been absolutely fucked
I feel like setting things on fire is decent answer to camping.
im real excited to play this game, my main gripe is y it has to be so G rated and 6-yo friendly. hopefully free patch with some death animations n shit.
Lets not talk about the 🔔 bell and then maybe it will go away
I Can see you playd knifey spoony before
You should be able to butcher the enemy horses you kill if you play the mongols
Tc rush him next time for some extra salt
Doing 4 things that could have done with 4 mouse drags and 4 clicks - APM on 300 already
You are a true RTS main
Whenever I watch Age of Empires videos I try move the screen with my mouse then re-realize its a video!
I would not even consider this a camp, you attacked pretty much right away.
A month away. I don’t know what to do
Odd complaint from him. You were on the offensive quite a bit… and made plenty of units
NICE GAME, the amount of advertising is insane tho. ....
Turtling is my bread and butter :)
God I am a fiend for AoE
I love turtling, its fun to play defensive. But a skilled player will see that and adapt his strategy to counter, not just keep slammin units at the problem. Plenty of ways to counter turtle in this game.
I love to turtle lol
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Why is no one playing delhi sultanate?
Ikr? i haven't seen any casters playing delhi sultinate or mongols during the beta. Maybe those civs were locked out during beta?
Only 4 Civs (English, HRE, Abbasid and Chinese) were available during the technical stress test
Abassid Dynasty half of villagers is really strong kinda like Indians in aoe2 but better because the vills are even cheaper
I hate turtling. I've been playing multiplayer games vs hard AI, every teamate just builds an army and walls up. I build an army, attack, get close to taking out an AI , teamate stays turtled. I lose my troops , both AI counter attack me (my teamate still turtling) and take me out. Please stop turtling and work together making coordinated attacks.
Turtles are the way to play just like battle for middle earth remember this isnt starcraft
I hate rushing. You dont get the full game experience if you only spam scouts on vils till the other guy runs out of food. Gotta let it build, build an army, organize your base, get some walls, have real battles with fully upgraded troops, then you see who is really the better player.
Same. That's why I don't like 1v1 matches. Well it's basically just rush.
That's not how it goes tho. I used to hate rushing too, but in high levels people also know how to defend so rushing doesn't end it. Rushing is just part of the game, it will give you an advantage / disadvantage, but it wont necessarily end the game when players are equal. Good players play all types of strategies and can adapt and flow from strat to strat based on whats happening in the game.
When TCs defend better than castles
I mean they don’t other guy just never build siege.
U blooddy drongo
Bc ppl want fast paced games at least that’s how I feel about turtling
I'm not even sure you could consider this turtling. He didn't even build a wall until almost 20 minutes in. Red did a great job in everything but transitioning out of his harass. The whole point of them adding the victory points was to punish the way aussie played this one and red didn't take advantage.
I feel like TCs are too powerful, the range is insane and they do so much damage. Do they even fire without any villager inside too ? I'd like to see a bit of a nerf, to promote more aggression.
@@korat7933 they do fire without villagers. just not much
Mostly cuz it's a new game and people wanna try different stuff and the tryhard loser nerds are already making experimenting hard
Confused as to why the response to raiding cav was pikemen and not camels
Pikes just hold a position from any cav, and even when outnumbered its a bad match for the cav
@@davidpereira5969 you spend the entire time chasing. When you have access to camels nobody should be raiding you with Calvary, period
@@ptealixpaint tbh red idea wasnt the best, if aussie was spamming pikes and booming real hard he should have switched strategy instead of trying over and over to raid vs all of that
This dude is complaining about turtling and the game was under 30 minutes? Pshhh that's fast as hell
The most incompetent player ever seen
Am i the only one Who misse aoe3 drongo ??? Aoe4 is good but.... i just misse him.
Sheep spawn around your TC
Ugh. Nest of bees is so doodoo. A mangonel wouldve taken at least half hp out of a huge cluster of those spears.
I feel like the Chinese player should have used the harassment better. He kept your focus off of important things for long periods of time, but didn’t actually do anything with the time he bought. You countered his harassment by using your TCs well- it’s not like he cud take down your TCs with just horsemen. He shud a have started to get some siege and archers out to really pressure you.
that game looks so stressful. I don't like multitasking and micromanaging
Probably tc limit will be restricted
How is this even a turtle, didnt even have walls til like 4/5 way through the match. Just shit enemy player used scouts the whole time
You spent over 4 minutes total in this game clicking more than once on the same thing.
Just saying.
the lack of clarity with in the unit design is starting to become more apparent.
I think they need to make it more obvious what civ you are playing. For the enjoyment of the viewing experience, as all I see is that you are playing as blue, without any flags or insignias I can't tell for the life of me what civ you are playing
I mean… the house of wisdom? Only Abbasid gets it lol… also it’s pretty easy to see the Arabian style architecture.. maybe you aren’t trying hard enough to notice the differences.
@@disc0king21 yyes perhaps thats the case, I havnt played the game before so thats a big factor. however its not the most beginner friendly
The flag appears in the unit UI next to the unit name. It just happens that the Abbasid flag is black so it's not very visible
@@GuilhermeBerger42 got u, just not very user friendly
@@bigpanda307 in the spectator UI you can see the flags in the top left
But yeah I agree that the player UI should have the opponent flag somewhere
chinese player never spammed nest of bees? easy loss