Your 1st!? You better under 10 years old ;P Next up, Starcraft, Warcraft, Command and Conquer, Planetary Annihilation, They Are Billions, Supreme Commander, Majesty, Stronghold, Ashes of the Singularity, Myth, Age of Mythology, Kingdom, Grim Nights...
I think it's great that they removed score. I come from sc2 and people would rebel if you wanted to introduce something like that there. Knowing your position in the game is a skill. Judging whether you are ahead and can attack or if you should play defense and try to catch up is an intuition that should be developed.
I don't disagree, but there is some skill in it! If you watch tier-1 players in AOE2, they watch score bumps as a way of judging things like age-ups (small drop when upgrade starts). But yeah in general its just a low-skill scouting replacement.
Totally agree, score only stressed me out and was a big distraction, also felt quite gamey and cheap. Without it intelligence scouting and game sense is more important.
In my opinion, there's way too much talk about nerfs in this game. From my perspective, what aoe4 has done right is to make very powerful civilization that are very different as well. If a particular part of a civ is powerful in one way, that doesn't necessarily mean it needs a nerf. It's better to lift up the civilizations that trail too far behind in the ways that make them unique. Nerfs may need to happen at some point, but not always.
Interestingly you've actually talked about a design philosophy that a lot of studios follow. Instead of nerfing what's strong, you buff what's weak. But honestly, we don't know the balance yet. Until people are used to the game and know all the tricks I don't think it's smart to nerf or buff anything.
Don't hold your breath for that. Relic will give the same unit 3 significant nerfs in the same patch making it go from overpowered to unplayable overnight. Not only that they will be months behind the meta and put out nerfs for strategies that have ceased to be problematic long ago. I'm not trying to be a hater. In fact I love CoH and DoW. But the truth is the post launch support for all their games is basically non-existent. For AOE4 most balance patches will probably ship with DLC.
I can definitely say that some landmarks need to be changed because they're not effective. A few units like Landsknecht are too weak, but otherwise the factions are different, rather than better or worse.
@@SendarSlayer That's pretty much what I'd like to see but especially in respect to what makes each civilization unique. For example, if Delhi Sultanate proves to be weaker as Drongo theorized in his tier list video, maybe give scholars the additional ability to each reduce research cost a bit (say like -1% for example which really stacks up by the end of the game). In that way, you make Delhi more viable while also emphasizing their unique playstyle! Just one example I thought of but I'm sure the concept could be applied to any civ the way they've designed them.
I love the Chinese in Rise of Nations with their Fire Lancers unique unit. You get them an age earlier than any other civilization and they are mechanically really unique and intense. I think a lot of games are scared to embrace the terror that chinese gunpowder brought to warfare.
Bit of tip for spectator mode is that you can press F1 to select every military production building of the player you are focused on. That way you can see entire military production/research queue that are active right now. Same goes for economic buildings as well when you press F2. F3 is for blacksmiths. F4 is for landmarks.
Great commentary. I was hooked from the beginning. I never thought talking about herding digital sheep could draw my interest, but here I am with a new favorite show.
watching all of this back later is gonna be so funny. We got great players going absolutely crazy over a gold mine but they won’t capture essentially free holy sites or relics for passive gold generation lol
Like I said during stream, Boit should have went his unique men at arms. They're faster then normal MMA and cheaper then lancers, you can mass them and push into the longbowmen who also are slower then normal archers, with trebs as back up to siege the castles down. This was pretty early on in the games release if I recall and I'm sure people know better now. Entertaining game however that absolutely has to be said, even if I did have my head in my hands by the end xD
Agree, even Palace Guards can't directly go to take down enemy archers, but they are so efficient in cost for how much damage they make and how tanky they are, while also not vulnerable to sniper's spear spam. Another thing is that Chinese archer is inferior to English longbowman, while at the same time costing Boit tons of wood, which is precious in making all his superior siege units, super great game regardless for both players
It looks hilarious and takes so long because they don't have a "feel" how late game plays out in AoE 4 where gold are plenty (from trade routes, relics and sacred sites) and also the counter is very important in late game units. They tried to apply the usual AoE2 late game mindset with cheap units and few expensive gunpower cannons to overcome enemy base, which indeed is boring after awhile.
Boit wasn't buying cheap units. He was going full handcannons and knights for a good portion of the game, which are often unbeatable in large numbers. Yet he still lost to Sniper's trash
For the British campaign I had all my civs on food and wood, only spend gold on upgrading Spearman and archers and went full soviet style sending hordes of these cheap units at the enemy positions. The AI had no chance.
@32.50, I thought that the Chinese were doing a flanking attack and it turns out to be tiny villagers in hats dropping in a castle! Right in the middle of a fierce battle! Oh my God!
Drongo I've been watching boit make questionable decisions for over an hour... I didn't believe believe a second. I feel like the sneaky landmark victory must have been an A click accident.
Lack of culverin or springalds for those bombards/trebuchets was one of the mistakes both players did. Usually one culverin is more than enough if you can protect it. So you dont need 15 vils always repairing your castle.
For some reason the Chinese play keep throwing his gold into handcannons while clearly the English player doesn't waste too much gold into man-at-arms.
A friend of mine tried Rise of Rome on my PC a very long time ago, his first villager died to a boar, he was scarred for life!! Never played games again :D
You might have realised this already, but when casting a game like this if you want to see if they have made a certain building, you can click on any of their vills to check.
So, there's currently a trick with markets/trade units. Build the markets close to the intended trade node. Mass up trade units right there. Once those units are out, re-home them to your best distance market you wish to return to. The trade units magically switch their held gold to that further market. This effectively gives one free trip for all such close trade units. A bit of micromanagement should give quite a bit faster turn around on investment.
I think Isengard could be used for cheezy castle drops. 1) You get perfect castle earlyer then other civs 2) You potentially got early pressure maa or longbows dispatchments covering it 3) You've got forward network of keeps buff with it
50% hp isnt as strong at lets say 25% more damage for seige. Since in the situations where your seige gets overrun it will just survive a slight moment longer.
And it’s all you will need for a while to !! It’s a good game well worth the buy I’m aware of the cost but you will get your money’s worth going to war !
After seeing that 25vil castle, I think that building go up slower when under attack. Building a castle up in five seconds into enemy army's face is just too stupid to be an actual viable strat :D
There were very bad decisions and rookie moves but it was a great game at the end. Sniper didn't take 2 relics in his base which will give him 200 gold per min would make 8k more gold in 40 mins for him. He didn't care about his market from the beginning like Boit does, but he still won. Very cheap and strong units as longbowmens makes the difference.
Drongo man, your casting is great and you always sprinkle so much extra info on top which is so helpful for newcomers to competitive play in this game or overall. Cheers!
Looks like there is a Bombard coming out here, That is a wrong unit my friend! You need Nest of bees and you needed them yesterday! Actually Golden Commentary.. I thought he was biased at first for his friend Boit but actually he's quite neutral. Awesome commentary👏👏
the commentary on this was soooo hilarious Drongo! hahah you really just had fun haha I could feel it. This game gets me as excited as you are haha. excellent game and cast!
I didn't realize supervisors tripled production speed! I wish you could hide the dynasty button when you play Chinese tho, I always click it like a pleb when I try to micro
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I just started playing AoE4 (my first RTS game) a couple days and I can't believe that I've been missing out on this stuff my whole life.
Welcome brother! My first PC game that I ever played was AOE when I was 8. Fell in love, glad you get to feel the same thing!
Your 1st!? You better under 10 years old ;P
Next up, Starcraft, Warcraft, Command and Conquer, Planetary Annihilation, They Are Billions, Supreme Commander, Majesty, Stronghold, Ashes of the Singularity, Myth, Age of Mythology, Kingdom, Grim Nights...
@@catbert7 I’m 16 lol. Always played fps shooters/survival games. I’ll check these out
@@andrewm8583 I wish you luck in your rehab ;D
Wow to relive me discovering RTS games. You're in for a treat. Some other suggestions Rise of Nations, and Act of Aggression, CnC Kanes Wrath
I think it's great that they removed score. I come from sc2 and people would rebel if you wanted to introduce something like that there. Knowing your position in the game is a skill. Judging whether you are ahead and can attack or if you should play defense and try to catch up is an intuition that should be developed.
It also stops a reactionary surrender if your behind in ladder which is all too common in aoe2
I don't disagree, but there is some skill in it! If you watch tier-1 players in AOE2, they watch score bumps as a way of judging things like age-ups (small drop when upgrade starts).
But yeah in general its just a low-skill scouting replacement.
Totally agree, score only stressed me out and was a big distraction, also felt quite gamey and cheap. Without it intelligence scouting and game sense is more important.
If score was in SC2, the legend and meme of IdrA insta resigning to Huk's hallucinations would have never been born
@@Payneonline You mean IdrA? That was indeed a legendary play written into the storied annals of SC2 early days lol.
I love how Aussie goes from professional casting in the beginning to manic impressions and commentary by the end😂
The impressions killed me😂Almost felt like he was losing his damn mind
The white castle meme was spicy
In my opinion, there's way too much talk about nerfs in this game. From my perspective, what aoe4 has done right is to make very powerful civilization that are very different as well. If a particular part of a civ is powerful in one way, that doesn't necessarily mean it needs a nerf. It's better to lift up the civilizations that trail too far behind in the ways that make them unique. Nerfs may need to happen at some point, but not always.
Interestingly you've actually talked about a design philosophy that a lot of studios follow. Instead of nerfing what's strong, you buff what's weak.
But honestly, we don't know the balance yet. Until people are used to the game and know all the tricks I don't think it's smart to nerf or buff anything.
Some devs needs to read this asap before ruining the balance
Don't hold your breath for that. Relic will give the same unit 3 significant nerfs in the same patch making it go from overpowered to unplayable overnight. Not only that they will be months behind the meta and put out nerfs for strategies that have ceased to be problematic long ago. I'm not trying to be a hater. In fact I love CoH and DoW. But the truth is the post launch support for all their games is basically non-existent. For AOE4 most balance patches will probably ship with DLC.
I can definitely say that some landmarks need to be changed because they're not effective. A few units like Landsknecht are too weak, but otherwise the factions are different, rather than better or worse.
@@SendarSlayer That's pretty much what I'd like to see but especially in respect to what makes each civilization unique. For example, if Delhi Sultanate proves to be weaker as Drongo theorized in his tier list video, maybe give scholars the additional ability to each reduce research cost a bit (say like -1% for example which really stacks up by the end of the game). In that way, you make Delhi more viable while also emphasizing their unique playstyle! Just one example I thought of but I'm sure the concept could be applied to any civ the way they've designed them.
In hindsight, yeah there was some sloppy decisions, but hot dog, this was a crazy match to see. Very entertaining.
I love the sound of gunpower in this game.
Also nice to see China actually get gunpowder, a long time running joke for AoE2.
Yeah, The country that invented gun and gunpowder finally got its gunpowder units LOL!
@@The_Art_of_AI_888 *nation
I love the Chinese in Rise of Nations with their Fire Lancers unique unit. You get them an age earlier than any other civilization and they are mechanically really unique and intense. I think a lot of games are scared to embrace the terror that chinese gunpowder brought to warfare.
@@devtogoru empire, or nation-state ***
@@devtogoru Polity
Bit of tip for spectator mode is that you can press F1 to select every military production building of the player you are focused on. That way you can see entire military production/research queue that are active right now. Same goes for economic buildings as well when you press F2. F3 is for blacksmiths. F4 is for landmarks.
Great commentary. I was hooked from the beginning. I never thought talking about herding digital sheep could draw my interest, but here I am with a new favorite show.
New favorite show xD
watching all of this back later is gonna be so funny. We got great players going absolutely crazy over a gold mine but they won’t capture essentially free holy sites or relics for passive gold generation lol
Villagers chopping wood in the middle of the frigging battlefield "This fine"
"If there's a will, there's a waypoint."
true gamer words
I love AoE4 games that go into late game. It's so cool seeing the gunpowder come out along with massive battles.
Like I said during stream, Boit should have went his unique men at arms. They're faster then normal MMA and cheaper then lancers, you can mass them and push into the longbowmen who also are slower then normal archers, with trebs as back up to siege the castles down. This was pretty early on in the games release if I recall and I'm sure people know better now. Entertaining game however that absolutely has to be said, even if I did have my head in my hands by the end xD
Yea look i dont play this game and these guys would beat me blindfolded. But the constant rally into those longbows was painfull to watch
Agree, even Palace Guards can't directly go to take down enemy archers, but they are so efficient in cost for how much damage they make and how tanky they are, while also not vulnerable to sniper's spear spam. Another thing is that Chinese archer is inferior to English longbowman, while at the same time costing Boit tons of wood, which is precious in making all his superior siege units, super great game regardless for both players
It looks hilarious and takes so long because they don't have a "feel" how late game plays out in AoE 4 where gold are plenty (from trade routes, relics and sacred sites) and also the counter is very important in late game units. They tried to apply the usual AoE2 late game mindset with cheap units and few expensive gunpower cannons to overcome enemy base, which indeed is boring after awhile.
Boit is from AoM, where trading works essentially the same as in aoe 4, so that's not really what's going on
Boit wasn't buying cheap units. He was going full handcannons and knights for a good portion of the game, which are often unbeatable in large numbers. Yet he still lost to Sniper's trash
horses siege and archers vs horses siege and archers - with slight variances in stats. boring
Bro, gold is infinite when you're the English.
@@Adrian-mw7us trash? The Longbowmen are pretty good.
one of the closest action packed games I have seen yet
For the British campaign I had all my civs on food and wood, only spend gold on upgrading Spearman and archers and went full soviet style sending hordes of these cheap units at the enemy positions. The AI had no chance.
"Your middle name is Longbowmen, your uncle died in a war and he was a Longbowmen." had me😂😂😂
Am I the only one who had massive "Battle of Verdun" vibes during this 1hour medieval-mayhem?^^
The pain of Boit having that treb right next to the town center but not winning for 20 minutes.
Holy crap! That was one epic hour of epicness and endless epic battles! I'm in love!!
@32.50, I thought that the Chinese were doing a flanking attack and it turns out to be tiny villagers in hats dropping in a castle! Right in the middle of a fierce battle! Oh my God!
Bro Sniper is a god. He was down on gold sources for about 80% of the game and still managed to win with exclusively trash units
English have an unique tech that generates gold from farms. Sniper had lots of farms
I gotta say, your commentary is very enjoyable, even after one hour of gameplay. Good job!
Man. I need more and more Drongo Casts.
The commentary in this video is just first class. An absolute delight to listen to. SUBBED. :)
Awesome casting. tyvm
Kay
btw: Yes. Aoe4 needs to in-put a production tab when watching a game.
All i wanted this entire game was a few nests of bees on that longbow mass!
@@heartsickruben I mean, we did get to see some nob on longboi action, especially near the end.
Odd that he was very successful with the first ones then seemed to forget about them,could have made all the difference.
"more units coming in to reproduce .... " 🎼Love is in the air 🎼 😂
Bow chicka bow wow
42:59 Nob Squads are so powerful the transcend games
Drongo I've been watching boit make questionable decisions for over an hour... I didn't believe believe a second. I feel like the sneaky landmark victory must have been an A click accident.
Man this commentator makes this game x100 times as entertaining
0:34: Out-of-context gold right here xD
41:24 the villagers chucked their axes at that cannon lol
This was such a dogfight, tons of action.. amazing game! Also big kudos to Aussie_Drongo for excellent commentary. You are awesome man!
How many chances do you want to win:
Boit: Yes.
Damn, this game is so fcking awesome ! I so happy I've lived to see this and can have fun in that game
Aussie drongo you commentate as if it's a fucking football match between France vs Brazil. I just love the way you make it so interesting man.
Lack of culverin or springalds for those bombards/trebuchets was one of the mistakes both players did. Usually one culverin is more than enough if you can protect it. So you dont need 15 vils always repairing your castle.
I like the mix of casting / teaching
This video was incredible! you are so underrated that it pisses me off! keep up the fantastic work!
36:50 I love that he didn't notice the bombard hahaha
The caster is really good. Thanks
33:00 that is so representative of the Chinese. LOL
For some reason the Chinese play keep throwing his gold into handcannons while clearly the English player doesn't waste too much gold into man-at-arms.
The underground logging operation
42:47 "I'd really love to see some knobs out" 🤣
Epic game. Much mor entertaining than those early rush jobs that end after 20 mins. And ace commentary.
A friend of mine tried Rise of Rome on my PC a very long time ago, his first villager died to a boar, he was scarred for life!! Never played games again :D
The match is absolute bonker. Drongo is also great caster.
Good Cast, your enthusiasm shines.
AoM caster god Boit Pogchamp
I played with the sniper AOE the other day! It was awesome
You might have realised this already, but when casting a game like this if you want to see if they have made a certain building, you can click on any of their vills to check.
I love your casting style. It is entertaining, informative, educative and funny.
What a game!
MVP - That wolf dog! :D
44:28 "boys and girls and enbies" ....legend!!
So, there's currently a trick with markets/trade units. Build the markets close to the intended trade node. Mass up trade units right there. Once those units are out, re-home them to your best distance market you wish to return to. The trade units magically switch their held gold to that further market. This effectively gives one free trip for all such close trade units. A bit of micromanagement should give quite a bit faster turn around on investment.
I think Isengard could be used for cheezy castle drops.
1) You get perfect castle earlyer then other civs
2) You potentially got early pressure maa or longbows dispatchments covering it
3) You've got forward network of keeps buff with it
that underground logging operation in the north of the map by sniper..hehe
thanks for dumbing it down for us beginners, I haven't played since aoe 2 was popular!
best aoe4 cast ive seen so far. subscribed o7
50% hp isnt as strong at lets say 25% more damage for seige. Since in the situations where your seige gets overrun it will just survive a slight moment longer.
dude i don't play the game but I stumbled on your channel and my god is it good. cheers
Castle in your face! Haha that was crazy and swesome
Sheep tactics, are paramount to a military Victory - SunTzu
bro, you hella funny with your movie quotes.
I literally can’t wait to play this game. My computer is coming in a week and this will be the first thing I get on it.
And it’s all you will need for a while to !! It’s a good game well worth the buy I’m aware of the cost but you will get your money’s worth going to war !
Game of resilience and focus! True masterpiece!!
Best AOE match i have ever seen !
These two are kings at taking awful engagements.
That was a great game, holy crap
After seeing that 25vil castle, I think that building go up slower when under attack. Building a castle up in five seconds into enemy army's face is just too stupid to be an actual viable strat :D
Love the connect the dots!!! haha
There were very bad decisions and rookie moves but it was a great game at the end. Sniper didn't take 2 relics in his base which will give him 200 gold per min would make 8k more gold in 40 mins for him. He didn't care about his market from the beginning like Boit does, but he still won. Very cheap and strong units as longbowmens makes the difference.
+3 and it's called Iron Clad for the English Man at Arms :)
Drongo man, your casting is great and you always sprinkle so much extra info on top which is so helpful for newcomers to competitive play in this game or overall. Cheers!
Hes gonna have roadrash after that loved it lol
Great channel! Loving the videos
"sneaky backdoor siege"....yeahhhh
Probably the best AoE4 game I've ever watched and the Best RTS Commentator I've listened to.
Man, Aussies really do everything better, don't they.
Looks like there is a Bombard coming out here, That is a wrong unit my friend! You need Nest of bees and you needed them yesterday!
Actually Golden Commentary..
I thought he was biased at first for his friend Boit but actually he's quite neutral.
Awesome commentary👏👏
"We both love the Chinese."
Hello yeah CIA......these guys right here ;p
Bombastic Match! Wow 🔥🙏
Great commentary, even better lesson, and I don't even own AOE4.
Oh my! Its most brutal game i have ever seen
You can see how many landmarks you've destroyed in the top left! Don't forget your objectives!!!
1:00:39 - When Drongo starts getting tired.
Love to see an Akira The Don remix.
Been loving these casted videos man! Thanks for the content
The word of the day is Cognizant. Brought to you by the letter C.
Don’t forget the ladies too! 😆
I wanna live in the age of empires world where there are livestock type animals scattered throughout the world every 10 yards. World hunger = over.
the commentary on this was soooo hilarious Drongo! hahah you really just had fun haha I could feel it. This game gets me as excited as you are haha. excellent game and cast!
This has my 100% support
"I'm not a mathematician, but i know numbers when I see them"
Loving all your aoe4 content drongo keep it up mate!
What a great game and great commentary.
the classic forward market
what a game! boit totally have the game control even though he lost
I didn't realize supervisors tripled production speed! I wish you could hide the dynasty button when you play Chinese tho, I always click it like a pleb when I try to micro