I can’t describe the discomfort of alcoholism. The morning anxiety, the ground hogs day effect, everything is dead, everything is discomfort, the problem is the solution, is the problem. It’s an insanity I wish on no one, including myself ever again. 3 years sober. I had completely lost myself before I got help. You can too if you’re ready for the hell to stop. Life isn’t all sunshine and rainbows but it is a helluva lot better and there is big love and beauty on the other side of that monster.
There’s a lot to be grateful for and to feel super positive about when you live life post addiction. In fact, gettting over addiction can make you appreciate things you never even noticed before. It opens the door to a whole new beauty on life.
@ you’re absolutely right. Lots of doors open for me that I would never had access to after getting help. Not every day is easy, most of my hardest days sober are strolls through the park compared to my daily mess with drinking.
For myself, quitting was like WWIII. If I were awake, I was pounding booze until I couldn't take any more. Then the DTs would hit like a hurricane, just absolute excruciating torture of constant vomiting and seizures. Then finally the hospital with heavy doses of phenol barbitol. After several days I would leave. Then before long, the entire nightmare would repeat. It took nearly a dozen times of falling down, and getting back up to finally stop. It's been nearly a year of not drinking, and I'm under great care, and can't believe that I survived all of that madness. I wasted most of my life on that bullshit. No more. No more.
@@Jason1975ism Thank you! It all started when I finally decided that I didn't want to be a drunk any longer. From then on, it became a viscous war that somehow I managed to survive.
@@_BatCountry Thank you. One time, while in the hospital, mental, mind you, but I was in the detox, not the crazy section. I was at lunch looking on at everyone, crazies included, and I had this overwhelming emotional moment realizing what a damn ignorant fool I was. I saw people that were just permanently screwed with no chance of ever being normal. I felt like such an ass. These poor people, just debilitated beyond belief, and here I am drowning my fully functioning mind and body in poisonous pollution for years and years. I began to weep right then and there in front everyone. That was a big moment. I'll never assume that I know what God thinks, but I really felt an enormous presence at that that I will never forget. And after all of that constant abuse, I'm still freaking healthy! All systems go, and in good shape for 55. To be of sound mind and physically healthy, if to be filthy rich as far as I'm concerned.
When I was young, I ended up in a ward at a hospital that had a man who was experiencing delirium tremens. He was an extremely affable guy with a great work ethic, though he was in a constant state of confusion. He had somehow managed to get ahold of a broom and was furiously sweeping the hallway for hours on end. He kept coming up to me and asking if I had seen the “boss-man” and if it was time to “knock off” or clock out. At first, I tried to explain that he was in a hospital and that he wasn’t at work. This did not sit well with him and he would just ignore me and go back to sweeping. Finally, he came to me again inquiring if it was time to knock off and I told him, “Yes, the boss-man came by and told me it was time for him to knock off and go get some rest”. To which he seemed relieved and finally put the broom aside and went off into the ward someplace, hopefully into his room and bed! Poor guy. I felt awful for him!
That wasn't Delirium Tremens. If he had delirium tremens, he would be at the peak of alcohol withdrawal, be critically ill and in the middle of a medical emergency and need benzodiazepines to reverse it quickly. If he was upright and sweeping the floor, then I would suggest he was simply a patient with dementia. I'm either calling bullshit on this whole story...or the man was misdiagnosed. And how that would happen is beyond me. If you've seen alcohol withdrawal or been through it, you know there can be no mistake about diagnosis. Delirium Tremens can be rapidly fatal.
Great Video! Twelve years sober here. What really fascinated me is how seemingly random the severity of it all is. And most of those people weren’t prior alcoholics. How fast they got that way was amazing. I drank for about 15 years, at least a fifth of vodka a day.. I was high functioning but miserable. When I finally quit, I had to be checked out medically before rehab would take me. It’s all a blur kind of. I wouldn’t wish what I experienced on anyone. By day three I could successfully get cereal on a spoon and to my mouth. It was a week before that impending doom feeling wore down enough to look at life and think halfway straight. When I got out the world was in STEREO!! IYKYK 🇺🇸
Thanks for watching. Yeah that surprises me too, it's hard to predict who will get it and who won't. In another video, I share a theory that people will previous head injuries seem to be more susceptible, but it's just observation and not science.
I hear stories of my great great grandfather having DTs.. he was an engineer at grand central station. I am also sober ❤ sad to see so many years and generations destroyed by alcohol. I used to not paint my nails bc I couldn't keep my hand still enough. I started off drinking weekends with friends to drinking every day, then beco😢ming a mother and drinking "here and there" but i would consume so much that only drinking one or two days i would have me bed ridden for 3-5 shaking sweating..I should have gone to detox, its deadly and i didn't realize. ODAAT
As others here have stated, this is a very well made documentary. Bravo! I quit drinking over 6 years ago, but it wasn't easy. It took multiple attempts, and almost 3 years of trying, but I've been able to maintain my sobriety to this day. Please, whatever you do, do not give up. The grand prize of sobriety is so well worth your effort. My last attempt at quitting found me on my knees crying, begging God to help me. I promised him that I would do anything he commanded of me, if he could just remove this monkey from my back. I had puked so much that for a week straight it felt like I had been kicked in he stomach by Chuck Norris. The horrific memories of the Parkinson's like shaking, and the constant throwing up are a potent reminded of what I when through for years. Unlike my previous attempts at quitting, I still have no desire to ever start again. If you are in a situation similar to mine, please know that things can get better, you just have to ask for help. There is absolutely no shame whatsoever in doing so. My only regret is not quitting 10 years earlier.
I dated a guy when I was a teenager whose mom was a severe alcoholic. She drank about a fifth/liter if not more of vodka every day. I’ll never forget one night when we were hanging out & his mom hadn’t been able up get any alcohol all day. She came barreling down the hallway screaming about “red angels” in the living room. She was drooling & twitching. She had finally gotten a bottle but the dts had kicked in before she could. She screamed at us then opened the back door to their house (it was a trailer with no steps, just a two foot drop & a concrete pad) & went to step out. She landed on the vodka bottle & broke it, cut herself all to shit so we had to call an ambulance. Now that I’m older& I’ve dealt with my own substance abuse issues, I pity that old woman but at the time she just scared the shit outta me. She could be the sweetest woman when she wasn’t sick but she turned into a demon during dts!
I've spent considerable time researching black ops & social experiments & engineering..For all the documents read & documentaries watched this was a gem. Ive learnt wee bits of info that actually piece together some previous work & its information I'd never have sought out for ignorance of its relevance. Thank you so much for this wonderful wee 45min beautifully done video. Your empathy made itself known in every word you carefully & thoughtfully spoke. You do us all justice with such care to your work..The victims of the warped medical professionals & alphabet agency nut jobs were brought to life their humanness as the real men they were. There are so many more who's only mistake was to trust their commanding officers, psychologist/psychiatrist etc. Thanks again, really appreciate the places your shared information is taking my mind to. Hopes of granted wishes & dreams coming true are being sent to you 🌟
Very well done video 👍🏻 I’ve never had alcohol withdrawals but I’ve been through opiate withdrawal and it’s the worst pain I’ve ever, EVER been in. These poor guys.
I’m pretty sure it’s similar to benzodiazepine withdrawal and that’s the one of the worst things I have ever experienced. I didn’t sleep for 7 days, I was in some type of paranoid, manic state, it was super scary I was hearing phantom voices, I had the worst anxiety, restless leg syndrome and I felt like my insides were shaking violently. I’m scared to ever take another benzodiazepine like Xanax again. Benzodiazepines hit the same receptors as Alcohol so I have heard the withdrawals are similar and you can substitute one for the other if you are in withdrawal so if you are in alcohol withdrawal a Xanax will help and if you are in Benzodiazepine withdrawal drinking will help.
@@samsalamander8147 Absolutely, they are the same. When you are in a treatment facility they give you a benzo taper for alcohol withdrawal. It's very dangerous to stop either on your own. Good for you for getting through it.
Aloha my friend. I've been through both Alcohol withdrawals (20 year alcoholic)and Heroin withdrawals (4 year addict), Alcohol was 100 times worse. Physically and Mentally. I'm now 6 years sober🤙🏼
I was born in 1957. And my childhood was HELL . My little soul was a dumping ground. And by 1979 I was in trouble from Alcoholism . But didn’t stop until 1983 . Today at 68 , I don’t take ANY mood altering medication or chemicals, other than Tea . I don’t take any medications whatsoever.
I have heard numerous stories going through detox centers about experiments done in an attempt to treat alcoholism in Galveston ,TX. Allegedly they were cutting out livers and 1 patient paid off a nurse a nickal, she hid him in the laundry and he escaped to Deer Park ,TX to start a legendary detox center called The Wheelhouse. I believe this was in the 50's. The detox center he started saved my life btw.
Its unfortunate that to this day, addiction is stigmatized by the medical community. As an alcoholic in remission, I have encountered many doctors that have no idea how to treat an alcoholic thats trying to stop drinking. I've heard " how can you be withdrawling when you still have alcohol in your system?" My heart would literally be beating 140 bpm as if i was running, my anxiety at a 10 and they would be arguing with me that im not experiencing withdrawals. It's so frustrating that in 2024 they are still ignorant about alcoholism. They wont admit you to the hospital, they wont give you the proper meds to take at home. You are forced to travel, usually out of state, to a 30+ day treatment facility. I'm not saying that rehabs are not beneficial, but most addicts relaps multiple times, and after so many programs, you already know the information and take home meds, or being admitted to the hospital for a few days, is sufficient enough to get back on the right path. To know that this information has been available to medical professionals since the 50s, but is not generally known by most ER doctors, family practitioners, ect. is very frustrating, especially since addiction runs rampant in our society.
I am also a recovering alcoholic and it's true what you've said. And sometimes even the ones who have a better understanding of this still insist on making it more difficult on the person going through it. It's very backwards.
Many more idiots refuse to treat acute pain, cancer patients, and terminally ill ~ because they're labeled as addicts or alcoholics OR use medically assisted treatment with medication THEY don't understand! 🤦♀️🤬
I’ve had bad trips with other drugs but nothing topped my ’best’ worst experience with ‘Delirium Tremors’ (alcohol withdrawal). Two problems during the experience, I kept ‘coming to what I thought was my reality and it was not, kept trying to fond the ‘real’ place (my reality room at home). Seconds I thought my friendly cat looked like a monster on my chest and I feared for my life. Good news is the cat was left fine. I did not act on my hallucination to get rid of the small monster. Do not quit or run out of alcohol, taper. Edit: Tremens.
Once, after a little more than a month of solid beer drinking, light drunk all the time,,I foolishly took a psychedelic and suddenly stopped the alcohol. psychedelic and the DT's set in right about the same time...... Let's just say that it was very much NOT a good trip.
This experiment seems pretty insane to me! Also I have come to the conclusion that many doctors are not ethical and are poorly informed. Not humane either.
I had 17 years of active addiction to alcohol. I dont know for sure how much alcohol I consumed, as I was a blackout drinker. But for 98% of this time I would have drank around 80 ounces of 40% liquor over a 12 to 16 hour period. I rarely went more than 2 to 3 days without drinking. Often 6 and 7 days a week. While I had extremly bad hangovers, to the best of my knoweledge I never halucinated or had ceasures etc. At the begining of my drinking my weight was around 100 pounds at 17 years of age. At the end I was around 200 pounds. Not sure if I was just lucky. I do know I am very fortunate to be alive, and I am 34 years sober. Very greatful for my sobriety
That youre not making your own documentaries and making serious cash doing it is amazing to me. Content, editing, voiceover…entire thing is just spectacular.
As an ex heroin user, I am fortunate. Stupid people say why don't you just quit? But I consider myself fortunate because I wasn't born an alcoholic. Spent a dozen or so years in A A but it wasn't long until I found out what being an alcoholic really is. That's the worst, and I have a lot of compassion for every one of those unfortunate souls. You are born that way. Sure, I drank a lot, but that's not what it's about. I'm sure I'd be dead if I had alcoholism in me. Just my rambling, love you.
I was a heroin addict and alcoholic. I quit the opiates easy. I have no problem taking a painkiller for a tooth extraction or sever cough. It would take weeks of constant use to get back that state. But I seriously cannot stop drinking without some sort of psychological or medical support.
War and its aftermath "The Red Scare" literally made people - intelligent people - crazy. Ethics were, unfortunately, tossed into the wind. I've heard of Isbell but not his experiments. I had heard of the CIA's acid experiments. Very enjoyable and different style video, Stu. Great editing. Good job.
From what I’ve read, post MK-Ultra officials and researchers hold little to no guilt over their breach of ethics citing the fear of the enemy (communism) was too great to ethically battle
Stu, you are doing something very special with your channel. Besides myself, you have been such a vital component to sobriety for many individuals from reading through the comments. An inspiration, a leader, a great speaker, humble, very articulate, highly intellectual and a very serious yet dry sense of humor that is rarely seen. You tell it like it is and how the people need to hear it. Non diluted, brutal honesty and you have all the "street cred" for lack of a better term, from your experiences where others will take you seriously. You have been there and done that. I do hope that you stay on this path you are on, you have been A God send to me and many others. I don't believe you are on here just for the attention/views/money like so many other superficial, artificial RUclipsrs are these days. I can see that you really do want to help others and I respect and appreciate that. I'm not, just like many others, being facetious when I tell you, you have been and will continue to be an integral part in my sobriety thanks to your perspective, stories, information and accounts of your experiences. You are our savior, I put you right up there with Jesus Christ himself. Well, maybe 2nd to him. Thank you for your service.
I am not an alcoholic. I like to drink beer, but I'm still pulled into watching this chanel for some reason. I have been clean off heroin for 7 years so maybe that's why.
As a alcohol, I'm interested in other types of drug use and withdrawals for educational purposes. You went through it hard I bet. Congratulations on 7 yrs!
Is that common for H users to indulge in other mid altering substances after giving up the big one? Not trying to discourage or anything it’s just most people I’ve seen kick the habit usually give up everything.
Using becomes a lifestyle, a lot of ex users feel as though there's something missing in their lives. They look for something to fill that hole & some turn to alcohol.
Do you mean obsessed/fascinated by the subject as a passive observer, or as someone who's experienced the conditions? Unfortunately for myself, I've experienced both on several occasions. It was a few years since I was dependant, but I still have vivid recollection of it. I'm happy to share if you're interested.
Not proud to say I’ve suffered withdrawal from the lot. They’re each their own special type of hell. But, I’ve gotta say that Benzodiazepines were the longest and scariest. This is an excellent piece of work, Sir (gave me the fear just watching it). Please keep up the good work. Thank you. 😊❤️
This was fascinating! You couldn’t pay me enough to be a guinea pig for this experiment though! Delirium tremens is something I never want to experience ever again!! Thanks for posting! ❤
I wonder if it was even possible to "pass" a Rorschach test and being declared perfectly normal? It seems one is either "evasive" or are suffering from several highly unflattering issues.
Yeah! I completely agree. The test has subjectivity bak into it: if your interviewer doesn't like you, you're going to be a pervert of some kind for sure.
Both of my grandfathers and my father were alcoholics. My brother-in-law died of cirrhosis when he was 45 years old. He was diagnosed a year earlier when the cirrhosis was already stage IV. I keep alcohol on a short leash.
Thank you 🌻 I’m relieved that none of the study participants actually died, even though a few came close. 🙏. I wonder if Dr. Isbell was already struggling himself when he conducted this study. He seemed to have compassion for their suffering, so I think maybe he was.
Fascinating and well made documentary. I thank my stars I've never had alcohol dependency or withdrawal symptoms. I did once get bad food poisoning, which resulted in twenty hours of vomiting, accompanied after about ten hours by blackouts. I remember waking up face down on the floor of A&E, thinking I must be in an airport (because of the fixed chairs; I didn't know where I was or how I got there). That was the worst physical suffering I've been through, but compared to the poisoning symptoms described here, it would have been very mild.
I had the DTs one time and what I saw can only be described as infernal to this day I have not been able to communicate it effectively to anyone else although I have tried. It left me in a shattered condition suffering from a nervous breakdown and unable to sleep at all for over two weeks and only for short periods for two weeks more. And I got off easy I'm alive
I’ll never forget what I saw during my DT’s it scarred me for life it was evil and I believe to this day it was real. I think DT’s allow you to see the spirits are secretly trying to control you and penetrate your soul thru the use of alcohol. After all this is why alcohol was referred to as “spirits” in the first place.
Sadly, when the experiment was discussed and their BAC maintained at 0.25%, it brings back a lot of memories of my last 1-2 years of drinking. I was inebriated nearly 24/7
Been through it. I always saw huge scary ass insects. Like giant insects. And the auditory hallucinations were insane too. It was like a static radio playing generic music and ad reads that you couldn’t quite make out over the static. It was insane. Great video. Well done.
You absolutely knocked it out of the ballpark with this video man. Keep it up. My third time watching this. I don’t struggle myself with addiction or alcohol use but this video has me pulled and so does the rest of your channel! I’ve been binge watching all your vids man
What an excellent and informative documentary. Those whose lives have been blighted by addiction, either as the addict or the friends/family of an addict, will understand how cruel this experimental torture was. The crimes governments and their agencies commit with impunity are despicable beyond belief. This is, unfortunately, only the tip of the iceberg. 👍, subbed and looking forward to catching up with this channels content.
I recently watched The Unforgiven again and noticed that when Clint Eastwood character gets beaten and falls ill that during his fever he hallucinates about the dead people he's killed ,now I realise that the movie is a piece of fiction but ive read many times that during fevers people hallucinate so the link between the two would be body temperature with both cases the body temp becoming very high if so it could be that the TREMONS start to come on still even though the person may still be drinking it could be because the bodies temperature is to high and alcohol some how activates a fever . I have during severe withdrawal not to the point of DTs but the horrors ,sweating and not sleeping found that paracetamol does help and it's probably because it lowers the bodies temperature. Great video never realised the mind control experiments extended to alcohol but I suppose they really tried anything back then .
It's why like I said before when I cross over I don't want it to be in a state of terror because whenever I've touched the veil it's never been an enjoyable occasion but I've also never been close to death in a state of comfort if their one but I've a feeling it matters .
That was enthralling, shocking & heartbreaking. Strange to think that those ten increasingly bewildered men took 'the flack' so to speak for all of us substance dependents & how treatment for AUD is administered . Sad & deeply unethical
My uncle is a severe alcoholic and just had to move in with my father after years of homelessness and being found in a ditch near a highway beaten, half dead, with a fever of 105 degrees. He barely knows who he is or who my dad or I am and stays quiet, only speaking in short responses when spoken to. He cannot dress himself, can hardly fead himself, cannot bathe himself and frequently has bathroom accidents leading him to having to wear adult diapers. He’s for all intents and purposes mentally and physically disabled after decades of alcohol abuse and the only thing that can be done is to try to make the rest of his life as comfortable as can reasonably done until he dies. He will never actually recover and will always be fully dependent on others to live. Stay off the hooch my friends. An afternoon of meaningless pleasantries isn’t worth it.
Thanks! I wanted to make something I would watch, and it turns out a lot of people use RUclips exactly like I do: to be interesting enough to keep your interest, but good to fall asleep to too.
Epic documentary! I stumbled into your account and cant stop watching! You are a great storyteller, your content is educational that truly helps people. Im sorry that you have to struggle with alcohol and all the hardship you went though! But im impressed by your strenght and your willines to help others!! Thanks again and be safe!
Here, take my like. It's really interesting even with the unethical aspect. I'm concerned by alcoholism and now sober. Didn't have much problem to stop (I took drugs and it was like "ok, now I stop", never understood why exactly it was so easy for me) but my mom is at the end of her road (seeing her dying is probably a good motivation to stop myself). I suspect she had delirium tremens episodes, she was sometimes excessively anxious, weird or totally amorph when she didn't drink. She's 71 years old. Sober 3 years, and relapsed 5 years ago. Thanks for the insights, it really helps me understand.
What an amazing video and beautifully narrated. Could not pay me enough to partake in that experiment!!! One hallucination episode is quite enough for me thanks. Fascinating study and results. Watching these videos ,bring back bad, bad memories and i cant ever go back to that way of life. Keep em coming, as they keep me determined 😮
Thanks for watching mate, and for the thoughtful comment. Sucks when we have to be scared sober rather than just choosing to be sober, but it's all good. It's the long term sobriety that really matters.
So what I wanted to say is, Your contents scare me. I really love your channel. However. I did these kind of ,,human" medical tests with myself... Absolute Horrors... ,, in free will" .No one forced me to do so. Thank you so much Buddy! Keep showing me what I am...
I am only about 10minutes in & so far it's helped me understand a few things..This is brilliantly done.. Why can't we find brilliant documentaries like this on normal t.v instead of these reality crappy brain deadening shows,I don't watch t.v any more,the crap they show..It's killing off brain cells.. Now this,this is brilliant,I'm hooked.. Right I'm going back to listening to this.. Thankyou for this master piece..Have a great day 🤘🤘
Fantastic quality presentation of ghastly information. Things like this really drive home how close I and some of my friends were to living the hell described, but we did get our own taste of sorts. Story follows if interested. Around twenty years ago we were already heavy drinkers, but through a series of events there was a period where my roommate and I were both unemployed but still had a small amount of money trickling in. Long story short our own unintended experiment was a full two month period where 1.5-2 half gallons of vodka or whiskey, often high proof, were drank every night in a small living space with no cable or internet. (Pre-smartphone) People came and went, but from around 6pm until the sun came up we two were taking shots with only ourselves as entertainment aside from a few CDs or DVDs to let play in the background. I'm still not sure why we didn't have more long-lasting effects or withdrawal, except that neither of us drank steadily throughout the day, but binging for half of it. Being in our early twenties, it was fun for awhile, but things got pretty dark towards the end. People stopped coming around at a point or left early when we phased into crazed drinking. We had holes punched in the wall, one in a ceiling, a girl slit her wrist in our bathroom, broken glass scattered from who knows what, roaches from dishes long forgotten rotting in the sink. If you've watched The Lighthouse it really struck me to my core as it captured the madness we experienced with eerie accuracy. Either way we survived but I continued to drink heavily on and off until about five years ago when my body finally convinced me to stop.
Your editing work is quite impressive and I like the direction you are going by making a presentation of this type within the context of alcoholism and society. I know you mentioned in the past you have a hard time taking compliments so maybe this will be a hard pill for you to swallow but I'll say outstanding work nonetheless :)
I had delirium tremens in a cheap Bangkok guesthouse after a week long whiskey binge! I spent the longest night ever experiencing exactly some of the symptoms mentioned eg: seeing images of unfamiliarfaces forming infront of me and believing there were people in my roon, sitting on my bed trying to be sinister to me , and even dwarves… after enduring hours and hours of torture where each second of time my brian was in a constant flux of crazed imagination and exaporating thoughts…the last image i had ( and it was a blessing) was of my dear mother ( who i was telling i know you’re not really here but please help me…she kissed me and telling me ‘there now , get some sleep… …. Little did i realize i could have bought valium / diazepam from most of the pharmacies on the streets of Bangkok close by which would have eleaviated the symptoms enormously…… terrible & truly horrific experience!
I had a bad time over there too. I think it's because of also moreso because of also being sick catching some bug over there or something and not knowing really. Because I didn't drink that much more than I was drinking before
I went through the DTs in a dry cell in jail with no medication. I thought i was locked in the back of a truck among other terrifying things. It was horrible
I have personally suffered through the worst of alcohol withdrawal, years ago I was drinking so much vodka that I had to switch to wine that I took rectally. By the time adult protective services got involved and forced me into the hospital I had a final BAC of .53. before my level dropped below .30 I trembled so severely that I had to be put in an induced coma for about 2 weeks and ventilator had to breathe for me. When I emerged all of my muscles atrophied and I had to live in an acute nursing facility for almost a year while I had to relearn how to walk, feed myself and be retoilet trained
Evasive and non committal answers…. Q: Now you’re sure you don’t see a field of dicks, hard ones, ready to burst in your eager cheeks? A: Yeah, I’m pretty sure it just looks like an oak tree to me. Researchers later: I’m pretty sure he is gay, he didn’t deny the field of dicks very strongly, and oak->wood->penis.
Man I can relate to this. When I was 17 years old I got into a whole lot of trouble with the law. This was way back in 1975. I got busted in Mississippi for some weed and a couple of other things and the judge sent me and my friend to the state hospital in Jackson Mississippi, Whitfield. The first ward I was on was called "HYDRO" and it was where the schizophrenic patients and the alcoholic patients went first. They were giving people shock treatments every morning and it was a horrific thing to see. They also had cells for violent people and men who were going through delirium tremens. I walked by one of these cells and there was a little bald headed man talking to himself and when he saw me he asked me if I would go out to his truck and get a screw driver so he could pry the lock on the door open. I didn't know how to respond so I just ignored him and then a few hours later he started ramming his head into the concrete wall as hard as he could. Blood was flying everywhere and streaming down his face. They finally opened up the cell and jabbed him in the ass with some kind shot then strapped the poor guy down on a cot. It was astonishing sight to see.
Terrific video mate. Looking forward to seeing where you go with this type of content if thats whats in store. Although if its just you and the mic like usual im there for it too
I find it very interesting that the use of the rorschach tests were done to suggest "unsavoury characteristics " therefore diminishing the victim's characters. Clearly they knew what they were doing was very wrong but almost tried to furnish an excuse or lessen the outrage when they were caught.
Conclusion: alcohol is not just "a drink", it is harddrug number one, and jokes like "don't drink" are as funny as: stop breathing. It does not work that way.
I understand why this experiment would not pass a modern ethics review, but it was absolutely ground breaking work. That there was widespread doubt about the connexion between DTs and alcohol withdrawal shows how poorly this subject was understood at that time.
All they had to do was ask Bill and Bob, Dr Bob used to knock alcoholics out for days with an anesthetic to try to reduce their seizures. I have had it like 20 times its very scary and miserable have had to get Valium to stop it sometimes just suffered through it. I appreciate these guys for going through this though to get the medical evidence needed as before this it was all conjecture DT's are real and can kill.
Really enjoy your videos mate. Great quality and honesty. Well done on your sobriety. I just drink on a weekend and I'm gradually cutting down. Not a massive drinker but I find your videos a good warning if things get out of hand. My favourite saying regarding drinking is this : Man takes a drink Drink takes a drink Drink takes the man
My father was a severe Alcoholic, wich Have pick up also been sober 5 years. My father did 2 delirium tremens . He was in coma for 2 weeks. Tubes everywhere. It was scary. When I visited him he was strapped to the bed . And was moving and spazzing and it was as like he was having a nightmare that he could not wake up. His eyes were rolled back . So all you saw was the white, I was 16 at the time. He was like possessed . If you have a drinking problem, seek help. Because it will lead you to drugs to manage the down you’ll need an upper etc. And you will end up dead.
Essentially your able to deprive someone of REM sleep without interrupting other portions of the sleep cycle giving you the delirium of proper sleep deprivation with the severity and mortality of fatal insomnia
Thank you for this video. I'm sick and tired of searching through RUclips for a informative and interesting creator only to find out that all the content was used by dozens and dozens of others, just because they're all too lazy to find something original, something people like to find out more a bit and then most of them aren't even talking and introducing their videos but rather they take some really crappy computer voice to do the job. Now I finally found a RUclipsr who not only did all on his own but you managed to present the case in a fascinating and exciting way, so that I did NOT lose interest after two minutes and clicked on something else. I'll be visiting your channel. And I probably will subscribe. I just wanted to say, you've done a great job. But who am I to think that my humble opinion makes some big difference 😂
Really well done on a very interesting topic. I’ve always heard of MK Ultra but didn’t know they or anyone related to the program did any tests with alcohol.
It showed up in my recommended videos so I can’t say I stumbled upon this channel but it’s a good sign that the RUclips algorithm is showing love to new channels and creators rather than what it has been
The alcohol industry forgot to show us this port drinking alcohol I’ve had some very home alone detox’s terrifying I’ve hallucinated many times while drinking alcohol 😥
This also ignores kindling. The more a person withdraws...ie the more times they go through the withdrawal process, the more severe the next withdrawal, and the more rapidly it sets in.
Bat! Phenomenal work and so in keeping with the classic thematic approach of your pods. Truly enjoyed this piece and have a great appreciation for the work you put into it, as well as the perspective of your previous employers in giving you so much free reign in the past - just finished the book as well-you are a talented man, my friend. Happy to be on the journey with you as well, Cheers!💫(or something like that🙃)
Just discovered this channel. Anyway, wow this is experiment is disturbing. I was a Psychology major so I've heard about any number of ethical disasters, but this I think is a new one to me. The idea of purposely inducing the fucking DTs is, to me, patently insane. Even among people who don't get the full on DTs with the delirious hallucinations, it's pretty awful for people to go through alcohol withdrawal, it's a painful awful process.
Welcome to the channel. Patently insane to me too. There was nothing learned from it that couldn't have been learned from observation and conversation. I cut a bit out about how I was skeptical about Isbell's claim in the paper's introduction that the medical consensus was there was no link between alcohol withdrawal and delirium tremens. I mean, he used the phrase "rum fits" in the title of the paper. The whole thing seems prima facie unnecessary.
As someone who has experienced real DTs as of last year; I can tell you how utterly insane the hallucinations can be. Seeing people and places that kind of layer on top of your actual reality without you truly being able to tell the difference without family watching over you to tell you the difference is literally maddening. (This was before being hospitalized to properly detox without the proper medicine and care to do so safely.) It was like dreaming while being awake; (and not in the pleasurable way that psychedelics can bring on; where you're still fully aware that what you're seeing/ experiencing, is a direct product of something you've deliberately ingested; rather than a lack of said substance being in your body.) It was terrifying and really made me wonder about what was real and fabricated by my mind during that time.
@nickparsons337 Good explanation.! I never got that far , and dry now 13 months, but this daytime dreaming, for better or worse ( *meaning wakeful dreaming ) is fascinating !!! (Understandably horrible for ones suffering DT )
Top notch documentary! It's always hard to reconcile the results of experiments that should never have been done, versus the useful results sometimes (rarely) obtained.
as a recovered addict it frightens me to see the world overcome with addictions to smartphones and electronic devices ingeneral. fear for the reprocussions of this global phenomenon which has quickly been made normal while America is distracted by the 3rd major American opiate epidemic crisis.
As a 56 year old who has never even drank a beer, I can't imagine the hell of all these withdrawals. I've seen far too many people living with alcoholism and addiction lose everything and destroy other people's lives in the process. My life hasn't been easy but any stretch and I thank God every day that my struggles didn't include substance abuse. Prayers for all of you who have. Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on us all ☦️
Having gone through alcohol withdrawal a hundred times I can't believe anyone would volunteer for it. I guess being in prison they thought it would be fun. It's the worst feeling in the world but it goes away fairly quickly unlike opiate withdrawal that can take weeks.
Not only Siran Siran, but I always wonder about Chapman, the man who shot Lennon, if he also was a victim of MK Altra? I'm sure the CIA did see Lennon as a threat to the war machine.
My grandpa drank his whole life, he fell down at 80 and started to get dts almost instantly in the hospital. About 2 months later the hallucinations went all the way away. He looked like someone totally out of it on drugs. He never did drugs so that was very distressing. We didn't know if he would ever get back to normal buthe did.
It’s been like this for a long time. Generational divides are results of think tank social engineering. But even that doesn’t broach the true nature of reality.
good god! I had an alcoholic older woman friend and one day I went to visit. She was in a bad state asking me why I was filming a movie in her closet. Then she asked me to get her alcohol and I refused. Then she started having tremens. I had never seen them before. It was like she had a vibrating machine attached to her spine, they got so severe I got scared and called 911. They took her out on a stretcher.
Fun fact: the facility in Lexington KY is now a federal prison. I've done time there. The words "United States Narcotics Farm" is still engraved over the kitchen Sally port. Place is haunted AS SHIT!!
@maxasaurus3008 you're not locked in a cell there. It's open ward like a hospital but with like 6 guys in a room and a couple dozen bunks at the ends and bends in hallways.. It was a truly life changing experience in so many different ways.
Loved this video. I found your channel recently. I’m not an alcoholic but I have a problematic relationship with weed that bares some shocking similarities to some of your experiences of extreme alcoholism. been sober about a month and watching a lot of your vids. As I’m not an alcoholic though there are only so many parallels to draw. This documentary style vid is a great addition to your catalogue for me
Super interesting and well done video. I learned about DT when i visited a family member in jail for dui. They looked at me straight faced and said stuff like "they operated on my ankle and gave me a drug called AE-M1." And "a couple days ago I was jumping piers with George Lopez in Seattle." There was more nonsense but those are the two things i remember. I was around 18 when this happened and was super confused at what was happening. I'm not even sure the jail knew what was going on. Luckily they came out of it a few days later and hasn't had DT since to my knowledge. They're back to daily drinking but not quite as heavily as before.
Now, this is my kind of stuff! Great video, subbed! EDIT: Didn't even realize that I'd watched your other DT videos already & that it's even the same channel I was already subbed to! Amazing!
I can’t describe the discomfort of alcoholism. The morning anxiety, the ground hogs day effect, everything is dead, everything is discomfort, the problem is the solution, is the problem. It’s an insanity I wish on no one, including myself ever again. 3 years sober. I had completely lost myself before I got help. You can too if you’re ready for the hell to stop. Life isn’t all sunshine and rainbows but it is a helluva lot better and there is big love and beauty on the other side of that monster.
There’s a lot to be grateful for and to feel super positive about when you live life post addiction.
In fact, gettting over addiction can make you appreciate things you never even noticed before. It opens the door to a whole new beauty on life.
@ you’re absolutely right. Lots of doors open for me that I would never had access to after getting help. Not every day is easy, most of my hardest days sober are strolls through the park compared to my daily mess with drinking.
Thank you❤
Well said ❤
Thanks for sharing that. It's impossible to know, and hard to imagine, what that's like. Glad you're better.
For myself, quitting was like WWIII. If I were awake, I was pounding booze until I couldn't take any more. Then the DTs would hit like a hurricane, just absolute excruciating torture of constant vomiting and seizures. Then finally the hospital with heavy doses of phenol barbitol. After several days I would leave. Then before long, the entire nightmare would repeat. It took nearly a dozen times of falling down, and getting back up to finally stop. It's been nearly a year of not drinking, and I'm under great care, and can't believe that I survived all of that madness.
I wasted most of my life on that bullshit. No more. No more.
Congratulations on your progress mate. Long may it continue.
Stay strong!! God bless you 🙏
@@Jason1975ism Thank you! It all started when I finally decided that I didn't want to be a drunk any longer. From then on, it became a viscous war that somehow I managed to survive.
@@jacksutherland846 I understand 🙏
I'm a former junkie myself. And I made the same decision that you made. By the grace of God I'm still here ❤️
@@_BatCountry Thank you. One time, while in the hospital, mental, mind you, but I was in the detox, not the crazy section. I was at lunch looking on at everyone, crazies included, and I had this overwhelming emotional moment realizing what a damn ignorant fool I was. I saw people that were just permanently screwed with no chance of ever being normal. I felt like such an ass. These poor people, just debilitated beyond belief, and here I am drowning my fully functioning mind and body in poisonous pollution for years and years. I began to weep right then and there in front everyone. That was a big moment. I'll never assume that I know what God thinks, but I really felt an enormous presence at that that I will never forget. And after all of that constant abuse, I'm still freaking healthy! All systems go, and in good shape for 55. To be of sound mind and physically healthy, if to be filthy rich as far as I'm concerned.
When I was young, I ended up in a ward at a hospital that had a man who was experiencing delirium tremens. He was an extremely affable guy with a great work ethic, though he was in a constant state of confusion. He had somehow managed to get ahold of a broom and was furiously sweeping the hallway for hours on end. He kept coming up to me and asking if I had seen the “boss-man” and if it was time to “knock off” or clock out. At first, I tried to explain that he was in a hospital and that he wasn’t at work. This did not sit well with him and he would just ignore me and go back to sweeping. Finally, he came to me again inquiring if it was time to knock off and I told him, “Yes, the boss-man came by and told me it was time for him to knock off and go get some rest”. To which he seemed relieved and finally put the broom aside and went off into the ward someplace, hopefully into his room and bed! Poor guy. I felt awful for him!
That wasn't Delirium Tremens. If he had delirium tremens, he would be at the peak of alcohol withdrawal, be critically ill and in the middle of a medical emergency and need benzodiazepines to reverse it quickly. If he was upright and sweeping the floor, then I would suggest he was simply a patient with dementia. I'm either calling bullshit on this whole story...or the man was misdiagnosed. And how that would happen is beyond me. If you've seen alcohol withdrawal or been through it, you know there can be no mistake about diagnosis. Delirium Tremens can be rapidly fatal.
For the lulz you should have said "no , we've got to take out the commie spies".
That's sad but brilliant 😂
Lol
Should have said boss man asking for people to work overtime shift and you've put his name forward
Great Video! Twelve years sober here. What really fascinated me is how seemingly random the severity of it all is. And most of those people weren’t prior alcoholics. How fast they got that way was amazing. I drank for about 15 years, at least a fifth of vodka a day.. I was high functioning but miserable. When I finally quit, I had to be checked out medically before rehab would take me. It’s all a blur kind of. I wouldn’t wish what I experienced on anyone. By day three I could successfully get cereal on a spoon and to my mouth. It was a week before that impending doom feeling wore down enough to look at life and think halfway straight. When I got out the world was in STEREO!! IYKYK 🇺🇸
Thanks for watching. Yeah that surprises me too, it's hard to predict who will get it and who won't. In another video, I share a theory that people will previous head injuries seem to be more susceptible, but it's just observation and not science.
swollen as hell 😊
I hear stories of my great great grandfather having DTs.. he was an engineer at grand central station. I am also sober ❤ sad to see so many years and generations destroyed by alcohol. I used to not paint my nails bc I couldn't keep my hand still enough. I started off drinking weekends with friends to drinking every day, then beco😢ming a mother and drinking "here and there" but i would consume so much that only drinking one or two days i would have me bed ridden for 3-5 shaking sweating..I should have gone to detox, its deadly and i didn't realize. ODAAT
Ty for sharing. Great to hear you made it out ❤️💪🏼🫂
And man I bet you came fast….i know I did for a while. Four pump chump.
As others here have stated, this is a very well made documentary. Bravo! I quit drinking over 6 years ago, but it wasn't easy. It took multiple attempts, and almost 3 years of trying, but I've been able to maintain my sobriety to this day. Please, whatever you do, do not give up. The grand prize of sobriety is so well worth your effort. My last attempt at quitting found me on my knees crying, begging God to help me. I promised him that I would do anything he commanded of me, if he could just remove this monkey from my back. I had puked so much that for a week straight it felt like I had been kicked in he stomach by Chuck Norris. The horrific memories of the Parkinson's like shaking, and the constant throwing up are a potent reminded of what I when through for years. Unlike my previous attempts at quitting, I still have no desire to ever start again. If you are in a situation similar to mine, please know that things can get better, you just have to ask for help. There is absolutely no shame whatsoever in doing so. My only regret is not quitting 10 years earlier.
I dated a guy when I was a teenager whose mom was a severe alcoholic. She drank about a fifth/liter if not more of vodka every day. I’ll never forget one night when we were hanging out & his mom hadn’t been able up get any alcohol all day. She came barreling down the hallway screaming about “red angels” in the living room. She was drooling & twitching. She had finally gotten a bottle but the dts had kicked in before she could. She screamed at us then opened the back door to their house (it was a trailer with no steps, just a two foot drop & a concrete pad) & went to step out. She landed on the vodka bottle & broke it, cut herself all to shit so we had to call an ambulance. Now that I’m older& I’ve dealt with my own substance abuse issues, I pity that old woman but at the time she just scared the shit outta me. She could be the sweetest woman when she wasn’t sick but she turned into a demon during dts!
Crazy shit
I've spent considerable time researching black ops & social experiments & engineering..For all the documents read & documentaries watched this was a gem. Ive learnt wee bits of info that actually piece together some previous work & its information I'd never have sought out for ignorance of its relevance. Thank you so much for this wonderful wee 45min beautifully done video. Your empathy made itself known in every word you carefully & thoughtfully spoke. You do us all justice with such care to your work..The victims of the warped medical professionals & alphabet agency nut jobs were brought to life their humanness as the real men they were. There are so many more who's only mistake was to trust their commanding officers, psychologist/psychiatrist etc. Thanks again, really appreciate the places your shared information is taking my mind to. Hopes of granted wishes & dreams coming true are being sent to you 🌟
Thanks so much for watching, I'm glad this connected with you!
Very well done video 👍🏻
I’ve never had alcohol withdrawals but I’ve been through opiate withdrawal and it’s the worst pain I’ve ever, EVER been in. These poor guys.
I’m pretty sure it’s similar to benzodiazepine withdrawal and that’s the one of the worst things I have ever experienced. I didn’t sleep for 7 days, I was in some type of paranoid, manic state, it was super scary I was hearing phantom voices, I had the worst anxiety, restless leg syndrome and I felt like my insides were shaking violently. I’m scared to ever take another benzodiazepine like Xanax again. Benzodiazepines hit the same receptors as Alcohol so I have heard the withdrawals are similar and you can substitute one for the other if you are in withdrawal so if you are in alcohol withdrawal a Xanax will help and if you are in Benzodiazepine withdrawal drinking will help.
@@samsalamander8147 Absolutely, they are the same. When you are in a treatment facility they give you a benzo taper for alcohol withdrawal. It's very dangerous to stop either on your own. Good for you for getting through it.
opiate w/d sucks
Aloha my friend. I've been through both Alcohol withdrawals (20 year alcoholic)and Heroin withdrawals (4 year addict), Alcohol was 100 times worse. Physically and Mentally. I'm now 6 years sober🤙🏼
Went cold turkey from methadone bad
I was born in 1957. And my childhood was HELL . My little soul was a dumping ground. And by 1979 I was in trouble from Alcoholism . But didn’t stop until 1983 . Today at 68 , I don’t take ANY mood altering medication or chemicals, other than Tea . I don’t take any medications whatsoever.
The AA program is my way out, sober for over 20 years now and your age
You're giving people hope thankyou both
Netflix worthy. Brilliant work
Thanks for watching!
Next level indeed
🙏🏥🌎😱😱😱🙀☠️
Operation Bluebird, Artichoke, MK ultra, Covid 19
I have heard numerous stories going through detox centers about experiments done in an attempt to treat alcoholism in Galveston ,TX. Allegedly they were cutting out livers and 1 patient paid off a nurse a nickal, she hid him in the laundry and he escaped to Deer Park ,TX to start a legendary detox center called The Wheelhouse. I believe this was in the 50's. The detox center he started saved my life btw.
Its unfortunate that to this day, addiction is stigmatized by the medical community. As an alcoholic in remission, I have encountered many doctors that have no idea how to treat an alcoholic thats trying to stop drinking. I've heard " how can you be withdrawling when you still have alcohol in your system?" My heart would literally be beating 140 bpm as if i was running, my anxiety at a 10 and they would be arguing with me that im not experiencing withdrawals. It's so frustrating that in 2024 they are still ignorant about alcoholism. They wont admit you to the hospital, they wont give you the proper meds to take at home. You are forced to travel, usually out of state, to a 30+ day treatment facility. I'm not saying that rehabs are not beneficial, but most addicts relaps multiple times, and after so many programs, you already know the information and take home meds, or being admitted to the hospital for a few days, is sufficient enough to get back on the right path. To know that this information has been available to medical professionals since the 50s, but is not generally known by most ER doctors, family practitioners, ect. is very frustrating, especially since addiction runs rampant in our society.
This is a very powerful comment Kristi. Full of the kind of empathy that only people in recovery seem to have.
I am also a recovering alcoholic and it's true what you've said. And sometimes even the ones who have a better understanding of this still insist on making it more difficult on the person going through it. It's very backwards.
Most doctors are idiots from my experience
Many more idiots refuse to treat acute pain, cancer patients, and terminally ill ~ because they're labeled as addicts or alcoholics OR use medically assisted treatment with medication THEY don't understand! 🤦♀️🤬
While going through detox, I would literally tell the Dr. What I needed. Sober now, thank God.
I’ve had bad trips with other drugs but nothing topped my ’best’ worst experience with ‘Delirium Tremors’ (alcohol withdrawal). Two problems during the experience, I kept ‘coming to what I thought was my reality and it was not, kept trying to fond the ‘real’ place (my reality room at home). Seconds I thought my friendly cat looked like a monster on my chest and I feared for my life. Good news is the cat was left fine. I did not act on my hallucination to get rid of the small monster. Do not quit or run out of alcohol, taper. Edit: Tremens.
Once, after a little more than a month of solid beer drinking, light drunk all the time,,I foolishly took a psychedelic and suddenly stopped the alcohol. psychedelic and the DT's set in right about the same time......
Let's just say that it was very much NOT a good trip.
This experiment seems pretty insane to me!
Also I have come to the conclusion that many doctors are not ethical and are poorly informed. Not humane either.
@@peterbelanger4094ooohh, I get it sounds scary AF. Stay well.❤
Thank God I never have to deal with that sht again. Stay blessed. ❤
This is really well done, i hope a lot of people start finding your channel!
I had 17 years of active addiction to alcohol. I dont know for sure how much alcohol I consumed, as I was a blackout drinker. But for 98% of this time I would have drank around 80 ounces of 40% liquor over a 12 to 16 hour period. I rarely went more than 2 to 3 days without drinking. Often 6 and 7 days a week. While I had extremly bad hangovers, to the best of my knoweledge I never halucinated or had ceasures etc. At the begining of my drinking my weight was around 100 pounds at 17 years of age. At the end I was around 200 pounds. Not sure if I was just lucky. I do know I am very fortunate to be alive, and I am 34 years sober. Very greatful for my sobriety
This was so well-made. It felt like I was watching a movie.
That youre not making your own documentaries and making serious cash doing it is amazing to me.
Content, editing, voiceover…entire thing is just spectacular.
As an ex heroin user, I am fortunate. Stupid people say why don't you just quit?
But I consider myself fortunate because I wasn't born an alcoholic. Spent a dozen or so years in A A but it wasn't long until I found out what being an alcoholic really is. That's the worst, and I have a lot of compassion for every one of those unfortunate souls. You are born that way. Sure, I drank a lot, but that's not what it's about. I'm sure I'd be dead if I had alcoholism in me. Just my rambling, love you.
I was a heroin addict and alcoholic. I quit the opiates easy. I have no problem taking a painkiller for a tooth extraction or sever cough. It would take weeks of constant use to get back that state. But I seriously cannot stop drinking without some sort of psychological or medical support.
I was born addicted to alcohol. My mom drank while pregnant with me and my siblings. I really believe that I was born addicted to alcohol.
Ya that would fuck up a baby obviously
War and its aftermath "The Red Scare" literally made people - intelligent people - crazy. Ethics were, unfortunately, tossed into the wind. I've heard of Isbell but not his experiments. I had heard of the CIA's acid experiments. Very enjoyable and different style video, Stu. Great editing. Good job.
Thank you Shades. It was a lot of work but I enjoyed doing something a bit different. Back to the normal content for a while.
@@_BatCountry Close your eyes and it sounds like an old BBC report of some kind.
From what I’ve read, post MK-Ultra officials and researchers hold little to no guilt over their breach of ethics citing the fear of the enemy (communism) was too great to ethically battle
@@etspacejams meanwhile, communism was busy lifting two billion people out of poverty. The CIA is demonic.
Honest question, during the red scare era was any evidence of communist subversion or infiltration of American institutions discovered?
Stu, you are doing something very special with your channel. Besides myself, you have been such a vital component to sobriety for many individuals from reading through the comments. An inspiration, a leader, a great speaker, humble, very articulate, highly intellectual and a very serious yet dry sense of humor that is rarely seen. You tell it like it is and how the people need to hear it. Non diluted, brutal honesty and you have all the "street cred" for lack of a better term, from your experiences where others will take you seriously. You have been there and done that. I do hope that you stay on this path you are on, you have been A God send to me and many others. I don't believe you are on here just for the attention/views/money like so many other superficial, artificial RUclipsrs are these days. I can see that you really do want to help others and I respect and appreciate that. I'm not, just like many others, being facetious when I tell you, you have been and will continue to be an integral part in my sobriety thanks to your perspective, stories, information and accounts of your experiences. You are our savior, I put you right up there with Jesus Christ himself. Well, maybe 2nd to him.
Thank you for your service.
Damn, thank you brother.
@@_BatCountry I think what he’s saying, is that you should start a cult. I’d join
I am not an alcoholic. I like to drink beer, but I'm still pulled into watching this chanel for some reason. I have been clean off heroin for 7 years so maybe that's why.
As a alcohol, I'm interested in other types of drug use and withdrawals for educational purposes. You went through it hard I bet. Congratulations on 7 yrs!
Is that common for H users to indulge in other mid altering substances after giving up the big one? Not trying to discourage or anything it’s just most people I’ve seen kick the habit usually give up everything.
I'm interested in other addictions too. I don't have a gambling addiction at all, but I'm still interested in it, ya know?
Congrats on your sobriety, btw
Using becomes a lifestyle, a lot of ex users feel as though there's something missing in their lives. They look for something to fill that hole & some turn to alcohol.
As someone obsessed with withdrawal and DT’s I find this video terrifying but can’t stop watching it. Smashed it again Batman thank you, ACE!
DT’s ??
@@dogbog99 Delirium Tremens
@@dogbog99 Delirium Tremens
@@dogbog99 'Delerium Tremens'.
Do you mean obsessed/fascinated by the subject as a passive observer, or as someone who's experienced the conditions? Unfortunately for myself, I've experienced both on several occasions. It was a few years since I was dependant, but I still have vivid recollection of it. I'm happy to share if you're interested.
Not proud to say I’ve suffered withdrawal from the lot. They’re each their own special type of hell. But, I’ve gotta say that Benzodiazepines were the longest and scariest. This is an excellent piece of work, Sir (gave me the fear just watching it). Please keep up the good work. Thank you. 😊❤️
Methadone is absolutely awful too
Opiates and benz worst than alcohol
This was fascinating! You couldn’t pay me enough to be a guinea pig for this experiment though! Delirium tremens is something I never want to experience ever again!! Thanks for posting! ❤
Hahaha yeah but the opportunity to drink for 3 months "for science" might be too much for my alcoholic brain to resist
@@_BatCountryI hear ya!❤
I wonder if it was even possible to "pass" a Rorschach test and being declared perfectly normal? It seems one is either "evasive" or are suffering from several highly unflattering issues.
Yeah! I completely agree. The test has subjectivity bak into it: if your interviewer doesn't like you, you're going to be a pervert of some kind for sure.
Both of my grandfathers and my father were alcoholics. My brother-in-law died of cirrhosis when he was 45 years old. He was diagnosed a year earlier when the cirrhosis was already stage IV. I keep alcohol on a short leash.
Thank you 🌻 I’m relieved that none of the study participants actually died, even though a few came close. 🙏. I wonder if Dr. Isbell was already struggling himself when he conducted this study. He seemed to have compassion for their suffering, so I think maybe he was.
Fascinating and well made documentary. I thank my stars I've never had alcohol dependency or withdrawal symptoms. I did once get bad food poisoning, which resulted in twenty hours of vomiting, accompanied after about ten hours by blackouts. I remember waking up face down on the floor of A&E, thinking I must be in an airport (because of the fixed chairs; I didn't know where I was or how I got there). That was the worst physical suffering I've been through, but compared to the poisoning symptoms described here, it would have been very mild.
I had the DTs one time and what I saw can only be described as infernal to this day I have not been able to communicate it effectively to anyone else although I have tried. It left me in a shattered condition suffering from a nervous breakdown and unable to sleep at all for over two weeks and only for short periods for two weeks more. And I got off easy I'm alive
I’ll never forget what I saw during my DT’s it scarred me for life it was evil and I believe to this day it was real. I think DT’s allow you to see the spirits are secretly trying to control you and penetrate your soul thru the use of alcohol. After all this is why alcohol was referred to as “spirits” in the first place.
It's gnarly
Sadly, when the experiment was discussed and their BAC maintained at 0.25%, it brings back a lot of memories of my last 1-2 years of drinking. I was inebriated nearly 24/7
Been through it. I always saw huge scary ass insects. Like giant insects. And the auditory hallucinations were insane too. It was like a static radio playing generic music and ad reads that you couldn’t quite make out over the static. It was insane.
Great video. Well done.
Oh wow yeah that's such a good description about the unintelligible radio ads!
You absolutely knocked it out of the ballpark with this video man. Keep it up. My third time watching this. I don’t struggle myself with addiction or alcohol use but this video has me pulled and so does the rest of your channel! I’ve been binge watching all your vids man
Thanks so much mate, I really appreciate the support!
What an excellent and informative documentary.
Those whose lives have been blighted by addiction, either as the addict or the friends/family of an addict, will understand how cruel this experimental torture was.
The crimes governments and their agencies commit with impunity are despicable beyond belief.
This is, unfortunately, only the tip of the iceberg.
👍, subbed and looking forward to catching up with this channels content.
Tip of the iceberg indeed.
I recently watched The Unforgiven again and noticed that when Clint Eastwood character gets beaten and falls ill that during his fever he hallucinates about the dead people he's killed ,now I realise that the movie is a piece of fiction but ive read many times that during fevers people hallucinate so the link between the two would be body temperature with both cases the body temp becoming very high if so it could be that the TREMONS start to come on still even though the person may still be drinking it could be because the bodies temperature is to high and alcohol some how activates a fever .
I have during severe withdrawal not to the point of DTs but the horrors ,sweating and not sleeping found that paracetamol does help and it's probably because it lowers the bodies temperature.
Great video never realised the mind control experiments extended to alcohol but I suppose they really tried anything back then .
Thanks for watching, Bomb! Yeah the body temperature thing is definitely component of hallucinations. Happens in the desert too.
It's why like I said before when I cross over I don't want it to be in a state of terror because whenever I've touched the veil it's never been an enjoyable occasion but I've also never been close to death in a state of comfort if their one but I've a feeling it matters .
I’m a simple man, I see a new bat country video and I click.
lol keep up the good work my friend! 💯
Thank you mate!
That was enthralling, shocking & heartbreaking. Strange to think that those ten increasingly bewildered men took 'the flack' so to speak for all of us substance dependents & how treatment for AUD is administered . Sad & deeply unethical
Amazing video and well thought out. This video would not be outnof place on any streaming networks documentary section. Great job my friend.
My uncle is a severe alcoholic and just had to move in with my father after years of homelessness and being found in a ditch near a highway beaten, half dead, with a fever of 105 degrees. He barely knows who he is or who my dad or I am and stays quiet, only speaking in short responses when spoken to. He cannot dress himself, can hardly fead himself, cannot bathe himself and frequently has bathroom accidents leading him to having to wear adult diapers. He’s for all intents and purposes mentally and physically disabled after decades of alcohol abuse and the only thing that can be done is to try to make the rest of his life as comfortable as can reasonably done until he dies. He will never actually recover and will always be fully dependent on others to live.
Stay off the hooch my friends. An afternoon of meaningless pleasantries isn’t worth it.
Thanks for this. These worst case scenarios need more people talking about them.
From the beating probably
Nice of your father to take him in.
Truly crazy to think about how some of the greatest scientific findings come from the most unethical experiments.
Yep.
Wow. I just found this channel this morning while I couldn't sleep. Seems excellent so far.
I found this morning, today, feel same way as you. its funny how RUclips works us out.
As an alcoholic with 12 years of continuous sobriety i find this video fascinating.
Congrats on your sober time mate, long may it continue.
The production value was excellent, in-depth, and long enough to fall asleep to. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Thanks! I wanted to make something I would watch, and it turns out a lot of people use RUclips exactly like I do: to be interesting enough to keep your interest, but good to fall asleep to too.
I am 10 months sober off benzos. Same as alcohol. The tremors and withdrawal is complete hell. So grateful and appreciative to be sober. ❤
You’ve upped the level here, Stu. Just fantastic. You are a born story teller. Well done, mate, well done.
Thanks Giles. That medical paper was so interesting I just knew I wanted to talk about it.
Epic documentary!
I stumbled into your account and cant stop watching! You are a great storyteller, your content is educational that truly helps people.
Im sorry that you have to struggle with alcohol and all the hardship you went though! But im impressed by your strenght and your willines to help others!!
Thanks again and be safe!
The cruelty man is capable of having towards his fellow species is horrifying. Demons are very real, obviously. Sickening...
Here, take my like. It's really interesting even with the unethical aspect.
I'm concerned by alcoholism and now sober. Didn't have much problem to stop (I took drugs and it was like "ok, now I stop", never understood why exactly it was so easy for me) but my mom is at the end of her road (seeing her dying is probably a good motivation to stop myself). I suspect she had delirium tremens episodes, she was sometimes excessively anxious, weird or totally amorph when she didn't drink. She's 71 years old. Sober 3 years, and relapsed 5 years ago.
Thanks for the insights, it really helps me understand.
After having watched this, I'd like to have a drink.
I'll buy!
What an amazing video and beautifully narrated. Could not pay me enough to partake in that experiment!!! One hallucination episode is quite enough for me thanks. Fascinating study and results. Watching these videos ,bring back bad, bad memories and i cant ever go back to that way of life. Keep em coming, as they keep me determined 😮
Thanks for watching mate, and for the thoughtful comment. Sucks when we have to be scared sober rather than just choosing to be sober, but it's all good. It's the long term sobriety that really matters.
I can't believe that this sort of experimental horror actually happened. I wonder what is going on now, and what were not being told about.
So what I wanted to say is, Your contents scare me. I really love your channel. However. I did these kind of ,,human" medical tests with myself... Absolute Horrors... ,, in free will" .No one forced me to do so. Thank you so much Buddy! Keep showing me what I am...
I had to put myself through this experiment several times before I learned anything useful.
I am only about 10minutes in & so far it's helped me understand a few things..This is brilliantly done..
Why can't we find brilliant documentaries like this on normal t.v instead of these reality crappy brain deadening shows,I don't watch t.v any more,the crap they show..It's killing off brain cells..
Now this,this is brilliant,I'm hooked..
Right I'm going back to listening to this..
Thankyou for this master piece..Have a great day 🤘🤘
The quality is just crazy good💯💯
Aww thanks!
Fantastic quality presentation of ghastly information.
Things like this really drive home how close I and some of my friends were to living the hell described, but we did get our own taste of sorts. Story follows if interested.
Around twenty years ago we were already heavy drinkers, but through a series of events there was a period where my roommate and I were both unemployed but still had a small amount of money trickling in. Long story short our own unintended experiment was a full two month period where 1.5-2 half gallons of vodka or whiskey, often high proof, were drank every night in a small living space with no cable or internet. (Pre-smartphone) People came and went, but from around 6pm until the sun came up we two were taking shots with only ourselves as entertainment aside from a few CDs or DVDs to let play in the background. I'm still not sure why we didn't have more long-lasting effects or withdrawal, except that neither of us drank steadily throughout the day, but binging for half of it. Being in our early twenties, it was fun for awhile, but things got pretty dark towards the end. People stopped coming around at a point or left early when we phased into crazed drinking. We had holes punched in the wall, one in a ceiling, a girl slit her wrist in our bathroom, broken glass scattered from who knows what, roaches from dishes long forgotten rotting in the sink. If you've watched The Lighthouse it really struck me to my core as it captured the madness we experienced with eerie accuracy.
Either way we survived but I continued to drink heavily on and off until about five years ago when my body finally convinced me to stop.
I had to pause for 15 minutes, this is so disturbing but so very important. Thank you.
Thanks for watching.
Your editing work is quite impressive and I like the direction you are going by making a presentation of this type within the context of alcoholism and society. I know you mentioned in the past you have a hard time taking compliments so maybe this will be a hard pill for you to swallow but I'll say outstanding work nonetheless :)
Thank so much, I appreciate that!
The visual at 32:45 and 36:00 + are the most accurate portrayal I've seen of what it's like to hallucinate whilst intoxicated
Yeah. I found those in an old newsreel archive footage about schizophrenia I think.
I had delirium tremens in a cheap Bangkok guesthouse after a week long whiskey binge! I spent the longest night ever experiencing exactly some of the symptoms mentioned eg: seeing images of unfamiliarfaces forming infront of me and believing there were people in my roon, sitting on my bed trying to be sinister to me , and even dwarves… after enduring hours and hours of torture where each second of time my brian was in a constant flux of crazed imagination and exaporating thoughts…the last image i had ( and it was a blessing) was of my dear mother ( who i was telling i know you’re not really here but please help me…she kissed me and telling me ‘there now , get some sleep… …. Little did i realize i could have bought valium / diazepam from most of the pharmacies on the streets of Bangkok close by which would have eleaviated the symptoms enormously…… terrible & truly horrific experience!
Crazy
I had a bad time over there too. I think it's because of also moreso because of also being sick catching some bug over there or something and not knowing really. Because I didn't drink that much more than I was drinking before
I went through the DTs in a dry cell in jail with no medication. I thought i was locked in the back of a truck among other terrifying things. It was horrible
Not an alcoholic, but struggled with other substances. This was a legit fear of mine while in active addiction.😢
Dang
I have personally suffered through the worst of alcohol withdrawal, years ago I was drinking so much vodka that I had to switch to wine that I took rectally. By the time adult protective services got involved and forced me into the hospital I had a final BAC of .53. before my level dropped below .30 I trembled so severely that I had to be put in an induced coma for about 2 weeks and ventilator had to breathe for me. When I emerged all of my muscles atrophied and I had to live in an acute nursing facility for almost a year while I had to relearn how to walk, feed myself and be retoilet trained
Holy shit
Can’t wait to see this whole pup, great job from the first minute!
Evasive and non committal answers….
Q: Now you’re sure you don’t see a field of dicks, hard ones, ready to burst in your eager cheeks?
A: Yeah, I’m pretty sure it just looks like an oak tree to me.
Researchers later: I’m pretty sure he is gay, he didn’t deny the field of dicks very strongly, and oak->wood->penis.
Thanks, that intro took some effort :)
HAHAHahahahahaha
Man I can relate to this. When I was 17 years old I got into a whole lot of trouble with the law. This was way back in 1975. I got busted in Mississippi for some weed and a couple of other things and the judge sent me and my friend to the state hospital in Jackson Mississippi, Whitfield.
The first ward I was on was called "HYDRO" and it was where the schizophrenic patients and the alcoholic patients went first. They were giving people shock treatments every morning and it was a horrific thing to see.
They also had cells for violent people and men who were going through delirium tremens.
I walked by one of these cells and there was a little bald headed man talking to himself and when he saw me he asked me if I would go out to his truck and get a screw driver so he could pry the lock on the door open.
I didn't know how to respond so I just ignored him and then a few hours later he started ramming his head into the concrete wall as hard as he could. Blood was flying everywhere and streaming down his face. They finally opened up the cell and jabbed him in the ass with some kind shot then strapped the poor guy down on a cot. It was astonishing sight to see.
What a terrible experience. I hope you're doing better these days.
Terrific video mate. Looking forward to seeing where you go with this type of content if thats whats in store. Although if its just you and the mic like usual im there for it too
Thank you mate! This one took bloody ages, so for a while it'll just be me and the mic :D
I find it very interesting that the use of the rorschach tests were done to suggest "unsavoury characteristics " therefore diminishing the victim's characters. Clearly they knew what they were doing was very wrong but almost tried to furnish an excuse or lessen the outrage when they were caught.
Conclusion:
Don't drink alcohol.
Conclusion: alcohol is not just "a drink", it is harddrug number one, and jokes like "don't drink" are as funny as: stop breathing. It does not work that way.
@voornaam3191 huh? Someone is a sensitive nancy.
@@stubstunner No, I am a Karen, of course. Because I know what we are talking about. Nancy was with Ronald, not Donald.
Fast becoming my most viewed RUclipsr.
Honesty, intelligence and I'm fully engaged
I understand why this experiment would not pass a modern ethics review, but it was absolutely ground breaking work. That there was widespread doubt about the connexion between DTs and alcohol withdrawal shows how poorly this subject was understood at that time.
All they had to do was ask Bill and Bob, Dr Bob used to knock alcoholics out for days with an anesthetic to try to reduce their seizures. I have had it like 20 times its very scary and miserable have had to get Valium to stop it sometimes just suffered through it. I appreciate these guys for going through this though to get the medical evidence needed as before this it was all conjecture DT's are real and can kill.
Really enjoy your videos mate. Great quality and honesty. Well done on your sobriety. I just drink on a weekend and I'm gradually cutting down. Not a massive drinker but I find your videos a good warning if things get out of hand. My favourite saying regarding drinking is this :
Man takes a drink
Drink takes a drink
Drink takes the man
My father was a severe
Alcoholic, wich
Have pick up also been sober 5 years. My father did 2 delirium tremens . He was in coma for 2 weeks. Tubes everywhere. It was scary. When I visited him he was strapped to the bed . And was moving and spazzing and it was as like he was having a nightmare that he could not wake up. His eyes were rolled back . So all you saw was the white, I was 16 at the time. He was like possessed . If you have a drinking problem, seek help. Because it will lead you to drugs to manage the down you’ll need an upper etc. And you will end up dead.
Essentially your able to deprive someone of REM sleep without interrupting other portions of the sleep cycle giving you the delirium of proper sleep deprivation with the severity and mortality of fatal insomnia
Thank you for this video. I'm sick and tired of searching through RUclips for a informative and interesting creator only to find out that all the content was used by dozens and dozens of others, just because they're all too lazy to find something original, something people like to find out more a bit and then most of them aren't even talking and introducing their videos but rather they take some really crappy computer voice to do the job.
Now I finally found a RUclipsr who not only did all on his own but you managed to present the case in a fascinating and exciting way, so that I did NOT lose interest after two minutes and clicked on something else.
I'll be visiting your channel. And I probably will subscribe. I just wanted to say, you've done a great job. But who am I to think that my humble opinion makes some big difference 😂
Really well done on a very interesting topic. I’ve always heard of MK Ultra but didn’t know they or anyone related to the program did any tests with alcohol.
Thank you! And yeah, it turned out to be quite the rabbithole.
I have heard of drugs so kinda same thing
Amazingly, I stumbled upon this channel. Unbelievable content
It showed up in my recommended videos so I can’t say I stumbled upon this channel but it’s a good sign that the RUclips algorithm is showing love to new channels and creators rather than what it has been
The alcohol industry forgot to show us this port drinking alcohol I’ve had some very home alone detox’s terrifying I’ve hallucinated many times while drinking alcohol 😥
Wow did not expect this to be so good. Great work ❤
This also ignores kindling. The more a person withdraws...ie the more times they go through the withdrawal process, the more severe the next withdrawal, and the more rapidly it sets in.
Yeah. Kindling wasn't discussed in the context of addiction until much later.
Bat! Phenomenal work and so in keeping with the classic thematic approach of your pods. Truly enjoyed this piece and have a great appreciation for the work you put into it, as well as the perspective of your previous employers in giving you so much free reign in the past - just finished the book as well-you are a talented man, my friend. Happy to be on the journey with you as well, Cheers!💫(or something like that🙃)
Thank you GV! I'm thrilled you got the book and read it, thanks so much for the support you've given the channel over the last few months.
Wow. What an age we live in to see documentaries of this quality for free.
You're very welcome mate, thanks for watching.
Just discovered this channel. Anyway, wow this is experiment is disturbing. I was a Psychology major so I've heard about any number of ethical disasters, but this I think is a new one to me. The idea of purposely inducing the fucking DTs is, to me, patently insane. Even among people who don't get the full on DTs with the delirious hallucinations, it's pretty awful for people to go through alcohol withdrawal, it's a painful awful process.
Welcome to the channel. Patently insane to me too. There was nothing learned from it that couldn't have been learned from observation and conversation. I cut a bit out about how I was skeptical about Isbell's claim in the paper's introduction that the medical consensus was there was no link between alcohol withdrawal and delirium tremens. I mean, he used the phrase "rum fits" in the title of the paper. The whole thing seems prima facie unnecessary.
@_BatCountry can hardly believe there was ever any faith in Rorschacks,, and this was science? Post atomic age? 😮😮😮 Love your channel!!!!
As someone who has experienced real DTs as of last year; I can tell you how utterly insane the hallucinations can be. Seeing people and places that kind of layer on top of your actual reality without you truly being able to tell the difference without family watching over you to tell you the difference is literally maddening. (This was before being hospitalized to properly detox without the proper medicine and care to do so safely.) It was like dreaming while being awake; (and not in the pleasurable way that psychedelics can bring on; where you're still fully aware that what you're seeing/ experiencing, is a direct product of something you've deliberately ingested; rather than a lack of said substance being in your body.) It was terrifying and really made me wonder about what was real and fabricated by my mind during that time.
@nickparsons337 Good explanation.! I never got that far , and dry now 13 months, but this daytime dreaming, for better or worse ( *meaning wakeful dreaming ) is fascinating !!! (Understandably horrible for ones suffering DT )
@@CraigFox-lt6lt You've no idea; and I truly hope you never do.
Top notch documentary! It's always hard to reconcile the results of experiments that should never have been done, versus the useful results sometimes (rarely) obtained.
Thanks for watching. And yeah, you're right. Plus, once the results are out there, it's not possible to just ignore them like they didn't happen.
Mind control experiments are still being conducted on mass today. The smartphone is a great device for this goal.
as a recovered addict it frightens me to see the world overcome with addictions to smartphones and electronic devices ingeneral. fear for the reprocussions of this global phenomenon which has quickly been made normal while America is distracted by the 3rd major American opiate epidemic crisis.
@@vincentcohoe5746 I’m lucky I spent most of my life away from this stuff but it’s near impossible to work now without being “plugged in” so to speak.
Your opinion is duly noted, archived, compiled and adjudicated upon.
That experiment is simple. Momoney.
That experiment is simple. It both gets comments deleted and creates copious amounts of monetary flow.
As a 56 year old who has never even drank a beer, I can't imagine the hell of all these withdrawals. I've seen far too many people living with alcoholism and addiction lose everything and destroy other people's lives in the process. My life hasn't been easy but any stretch and I thank God every day that my struggles didn't include substance abuse. Prayers for all of you who have. Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on us all ☦️
With videos like this, your RUclips channel is going to explode! Fantastic work. Liked and subscribed.
Having gone through alcohol withdrawal a hundred times I can't believe anyone would volunteer for it. I guess being in prison they thought it would be fun. It's the worst feeling in the world but it goes away fairly quickly unlike opiate withdrawal that can take weeks.
So 2 minutes in and after reading a couple of comments I saw the sub count and added 1 to it. Thank you!
What a hideous nightmare,,, a forced three month extreme drunk ,, that withdrawal would be horrifying 😩
Not only Siran Siran, but I always wonder about Chapman, the man who shot Lennon, if he also was a victim of MK Altra? I'm sure the CIA did see Lennon as a threat to the war machine.
Great work as usual Stu..Thanks for taking the time and effort to make these outstanding videos...
Thanks mate! I enjoyed this one.
Excellent job. Research. Narrative of story. Discovery of footage. Editing, and voice narration all brilliant, man. Adam Curtis-like.
High praise! Thank you so much.
My grandpa drank his whole life, he fell down at 80 and started to get dts almost instantly in the hospital. About 2 months later the hallucinations went all the way away. He looked like someone totally out of it on drugs. He never did drugs so that was very distressing. We didn't know if he would ever get back to normal buthe did.
In a world of AI generated youtube videos it is very refreshing to see and listen to something human, this channel has huge potential, all the best 👍
It’s been like this for a long time. Generational divides are results of think tank social engineering. But even that doesn’t broach the true nature of reality.
this made me want to stop drinking
Do it! I've been a year sober and don't ever regret putting down the bottle.
Love this channel!!
Tank you so much!
good god! I had an alcoholic older woman friend and one day I went to visit. She was in a bad state asking me why I was filming a movie in her closet. Then she asked me to get her alcohol and I refused. Then she started having tremens. I had never seen them before. It was like she had a vibrating machine attached to her spine, they got so severe I got scared and called 911. They took her out on a stretcher.
Fun fact: the facility in Lexington KY is now a federal prison. I've done time there. The words "United States Narcotics Farm" is still engraved over the kitchen Sally port. Place is haunted AS SHIT!!
Really!!? Dude I can’t decide if I’d spend a night there, the silence after the door pop shut would freak me out if the place was haunted.
@maxasaurus3008 you're not locked in a cell there. It's open ward like a hospital but with like 6 guys in a room and a couple dozen bunks at the ends and bends in hallways.. It was a truly life changing experience in so many different ways.
This was fascinating, and presented beautifully; clearly and compelling. I want to share this with everyone I know.
Thanks so much, I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Loved this video. I found your channel recently. I’m not an alcoholic but I have a problematic relationship with weed that bares some shocking similarities to some of your experiences of extreme alcoholism. been sober about a month and watching a lot of your vids. As I’m not an alcoholic though there are only so many parallels to draw. This documentary style vid is a great addition to your catalogue for me
Super interesting and well done video. I learned about DT when i visited a family member in jail for dui.
They looked at me straight faced and said stuff like "they operated on my ankle and gave me a drug called AE-M1." And "a couple days ago I was jumping piers with George Lopez in Seattle."
There was more nonsense but those are the two things i remember. I was around 18 when this happened and was super confused at what was happening. I'm not even sure the jail knew what was going on. Luckily they came out of it a few days later and hasn't had DT since to my knowledge. They're back to daily drinking but not quite as heavily as before.
Now, this is my kind of stuff! Great video, subbed!
EDIT: Didn't even realize that I'd watched your other DT videos already & that it's even the same channel I was already subbed to! Amazing!
Thanks for watching and welcome aboard. It's a point of personal pride that I made you subscribe twice :D