Ka-Bar BK10 Vs. Gerber LMF II Knife Review
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Guys, we are understand that the gerber is not full tang. But thanks to everyone who spammed the comment section making it harder to find useful comments. Read before u comment because someone probably said it before u did.
your understanding of the word full tang isn't completely accurate. fyi.
Need to make a correction at 2:47. The Gerber LMF II is not a full tang. The blade is meant to be able to cut thru live electric wires without conducting electricity to the user. Was designed for helicopter pilots that might have to cut their way free in a survival escape scenario and was purpose built with this feature.
Glad someone actually studied the knife. Everyone keeps saying it fell apart while batoning wood but I watch an old man use it to cut through a car door without any issue.
I don't believe the LMF is full tang. It was designed for pilots that may need to cut live wires.There is a break in the tang for that reason. Check Ultimate Survival Tips review. He is the Gerber guru.
Yep, your correct !
basically splitting hairs here. the tang goes pretty much the full length of the handle.
Yup you re right the lmf II is partial and 3/4 tang not full tang
When he said the knife broke.........that did it for me. I have Kabar's and the BK9......those are amazing!
Great review. I like both knives, but the Gerber LMFII is just awesome in my opinion. Being in a more humid environment, I like the stainless steel of the Gerber for survival situations because I'm probably not going to have a can of WD40 on hand to lube the carbon steel blade after each use in such a situation, and if the blade rusts, I'm screwed. My LMFII has performed like a champ so far. I mean, it has been a beast. I have chopped a lot of heavy brush and even small trees with it, including very thick limbs and the blade chops exceptionally well and still holds an edge after hardcore use. I have not batoned with it, so Gideon may have a point on that, but I could not be happier with my LMFII so far. Perhaps the Gidmeister got a lemon.
Thanks for the comment!
Thank you for the great knife videos!! Keep 'em coming.
BK10 vs LMF:
1. 1095 Cro Van vs 420HC.
2. Full tang vs partial tang.
3. One piece steel construction vs two piece(hammer pommel that is a separate add-on).
4. Easy to sharpen straight edge vs serred.
I accept partial tang etc in my ultra cheap Moras(carbon and stainless). Not as strong as a BK10. But I'd take one of them over the LMF, since they are a quarter the weight:).
These knives need to have a baby together. Would love to see a knife with the BK-10s blade shape + the serration and the handle of the LMFII.
Good review!! Thanks. Got the LMF and I am very satisfied with it in all respects and it has held up well under moderate use.
Thanks you for the review. I'm on the fence on between these two, thanks for pointing out the strengths and weaknesses of each. Also the practical applications as well. Great review.
Thanks a lot!
Great info..thanks for doing this vid and the corresponding field tests.
I opted to go with the BK10 and LOOOVE it !!
Awesome, so glad the channel helped you purchase!
Take both, use them for different tasks. Lmf 2 for tactical applications and getting your self out shit situations to survive (mainly why I think the Lmf is better for military personnel). Use the Bk 10 for "bush craft", chopping wood and every thing that follows.
Thanks for the opinion and comment!
I love the story about the pomel and breaking an aircraft (plane or chopper) window !!
I don't know what kind of glas or polymer you use in your aircrafts in the US, but in Europe we use a polymer that won't break when you hit it with your pomel of your knife. (due to flying birds?)
If we want to break a aircraft window, we need to use a fire extinguisher first, before we can break the window.
And in that case we use the back of the fire extinguisher to break the window as well.
So please don't say that a pomel is used for breaking an aircraft window.
In case of an emergency i wish you all the best and luck breaking the window !!
FloFloNL then why the hell is it pointed on the pomel
wardog theses several reasons for a pointed pummel. If you have a crash landing in a combat zone the pummel can be used as a skull breaker, can also be used to break a window of a house you may come across, can be used for breaking bones, for breaking open coconuts can use it to chip away at stone to make a spear or arrow point so you don’t need to use your blade. There’s many uses for it.
Always worthwhile to watch your reviews.
I'm glad you phrase it as "this is my opinion" Most people on youtube love to say things like "this is the BEST so and so" but what they mean is, "this is my PREFERRED so and so"
From a survival perspective I would go with the BK-10, mostly because I prefer the plain edge to the serrated edge, but the LMF II is a great knife.
First of great review Gideon. I have both of these knives.The Gerber has more of a rat tang, The tang is about half the size... or less than the blade (google it for the pic ppl). Also, it's not connected to the butt. There is a gap of maybe 1/8"-1/4" from the tang to the butt for obvious shock resistant reasons. That rubber handle with the points that meet the serrations will break off with heavy bat-toning. Ka-Bar Becker knives are far superior to Gerber and many other knives. I own many from both companies and Becker wins hands down. BK-10/BK-7 or the tank BK-2. Thx for the review.
Owning both i can say: for an "all- around" survival knife the LMF II takes it, hands down. The ability to go from urban to rural survival situations makes it adaptable but not specific. Its "hammer" is larger and more flat than the BK10's, making it easier to use. The serrations make the blade very dynamic to several possibles. The knife can be easily lashed to pole of sorts for a makeshift spear. The buttcap has a dedicated window punch designed to pop HELO-glass, made up of an acrylic polycarbonate ( so it doesnt shatter like auto windows in a crash). Sheaths are 50% of a knifes "system", and the BK10's doesn't even compare. Just some of the pros that give the LMF II the overall advantage. That being said, the Becker BK10 would make for a better RURAL or wilderness survival knife for its design being more dedicated to that environment IMO
Thanks for your comment and input!
I have to agree with Speed Phreak. I have both knives as well, but if I could only take one in a survival situation, give me the LMFII any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
I love my BK10!
I bought it based on some of your videos! No regrets. Have the BK7,14 as well as an RTAK II, RAT 7 and RAT I.
Also an SRK. Your videos helped me choose these knives and, once again, no regrets!
Thanks Aaron!
So glad to hear!!
And while I'm loving the hell out of my Gerber LMF 2 (I plan on getting another one that I don't do a destruction test on) but the Becker BK 2 is on the top of my list for knives under $100. I'm pirmarily self-defense/survival and I think the LMF is very underrated as a self-defense blade. Plus the upside-down draw on it is fast and nasty ;)
Great video !! Thanks.
The difference in the tang is primarily for electrical conductivity. I don't think batoning wood splitting was at the top of Gerbers priorities. Also, you failed to mention the LMF better designed for lashing as a spear.
I too have beat the snot out of an LMF with no issues.
Alas, the search for the ABSOLUTE perfect knife continues , but these are close.
So glad someone else had the same great experience with 420hc. I have a buck reaper and it holds up just as well as Ka-bar usmc knife. Great knife!
The lmf 2 is not full tang it has an electrically isolated blade from the pommel so in the event a pilot has to cut electrical wires he or she will no be electrocuted and there are cases or that knife strapping at that spot exposing the separation of the two components
I just took delivery of an LMF Infantry and I like the knife. I agree the steel could be better but for $60 the sheat makes up for it. My only gripe is they should in some way cap/sleve that plastic insert at the front of the tang where it meets the handle. Mine has the most minute play in it and as we know that's only gonna get worse over time.
Interesting ...i didn't even know there was a bk10 !
I have a bk9 and love it
coojsta69 Ya, it is sweet!
+Der Babo It depends on what you prefer. I personally like the thickness
hi im a huge fan and wondering if i should get the lmf 2
JaydenThePanda It really depends on what you plan on doing with the knives. I've owned an LMF II and I loved it. it never disappointed me. The LMF is much more tactical and can be concealed much easier. However the bk10 is just an absolute monster as far as hard use goes. I would trust the Bk10 as a survival knife as compared to the LMF. I hope this helps!
Killer review, honest and straight forward, the Gerber design seems much more comfortable in the hand. I just don't get the hate people have for Gerber and BearG, so glad we live in America where a nobody can run around in the woods show people how to survive and become a super rich somebody. Im new to the knife thing and your review is really good for breaking down exactly what I'm looking for,thanks
Every gerber I have owned has broke. Its just the truth. I started making survival videos but you tube won't upload them. If they ever go through I hope you watch them brother.
I was checking out schrade f9 or f10 seems to be solid very thick and under 50$.
That would be awesome if ya do get them posted let me know, I would watch for sure. I've never really been big into survival stuff, I just want to get more bush crafty and me and my wife want to learn some basic skills. My dad in law gave me a Taurus 357 revolver a few months back, its my first gun.....it goes boom;) Very nice gun very reliable. Its a start for all situations, now the knife and down the road a bow, I've never been into hunting I grew up with it all around me watched many dear get cleaned but never went hunting, my dad was weird about that, kept to himself. Anyways its important to know those skills and its never to late to learn amen.
Airik1111
.357 is no joke. It certainly has stopping power. A bow is awesome but a crossbow is even more , but very expensive.(never got one). The bow is something I never really got accurate with.
Browning is another reputable name like gerber. There knives are slightly expensive but tend to fall apart and go dull quickly.
Check out SOG or Cold Steel blades. They make knives that are the real deal. They keep on working for the long haul.
I have 3 survival knives.
Gerber LMF II when traveling in our main city under ground subways to break the shatterproof glass or cut various materials, plus insulated for electric wires etc. Best survival knife for urban city type disasters IMHO. I Also carry a Schrade SCAX Tactical Axe that has a crowbar at the end with this knife.
Becker Crewman if traveling away from the city going into bush.
Ka-Bar USMC for self-defense while scrounging around for food etc after SHTF
The BK10 is really 1095 cro-van, it's a steel used mostly by Ka-Bar, it's like 1095 high carbon but has chrome and Vanadium, hints cro-van. It makes it easy to sharpen and holds an edge. But nice review, I agree with your verdict. I own a BK7 and it's a beast!
I have used all sorts of steel with fixed blades from S30V, VG-10, AUS-8, 1095HC, 5160HC, D2, CPM-3V, and 420HC just to name a few and I would say that 420HC is not my favorite steel, but Buck and Gerber Heat treat it well and from them it is in the AUS-8 ball park. Not a great steel, but it definitely doesn't SUCK!
I have an Lmf2, and I have a Bk2, bk7 and bk 16... I don't get all the negative comments on the Lmf2 and Gerber in general. I have used my Lmf2 on some batoning, huge wood no, but wood as thick as the blade's length, never had a problem with the Gerber. Quite honestly the Lmf2 wasn't made for hard core wood processing, it was made for pilots.. Thanks for your review.
so in other words, go with a proven rock solid blade(bk-10) from a trusted company that's been around for 100 years, but if you want mediocre, go with the company that thinks bear grylls knows what he's talking about( gerber) and thinks cheap stainless is the way to go
Is that the same company that's been bought and sold the past 100 years like Chrysler?
Gerber has been bought and sold and now owened by fisk
I have the BK Crewman and the LMF II is arriving today.
I prefer the BK for 'Wilderness' survival and the Gerber LMF will now go into my 'Urban' get home bag.
In an urban disaster I think the Gerber will be better with serrations because you have different types of materials to cut through.
Imagine an earthquake and you're in a building with wires hanging around, which knife would you prefer.
Also I can strip off the unnecessary sheathing on the Gerber because in the city I cannot wear a full tang knife on my belt thereby saving space in my bag.
I also bought the Ka-Bar Mark 1 half serrated but the pommel is not insulated. I'll find out today if my new choice makes better sense for an urban knife
The Gerber seems more practical to get out of a situation such as a crashed helicopter Etc but once on the ground and you no longer need to be cutting parachute cords and stuff then the BK would be better. Easy solution carry both. I have the BK crewman the combat Bowie and the little Remora knife that goes either around your neck or in the little slot in the back of the pocket of the combat Bowie sheath. Thanks for the video nice comparison.
David is correct, the LMF is not full tang , it is an 80% tang so that personal are able to evacuate without gettn zapped if cutting thru live wires.
Lmf 2 would be a lot better if it was full tang , I love the kydex holder on the Gerber
I agree with you generally.
I worry about the Gerber not being full tang and I hate half serrated. The Ka-Bar Beckers are all full tang. I have had a knife fail on me when I was relying on it on a long distance bivouac - I only made it because I had a Leatherman Wave, a CRKT M=16 Big Dawg folder and a hatchet. I ONLY buy full tang now even if it doesn't look as pretty or slim.
On camping trips, I like to carry at least one large cutting tool (my Tomahawk or a Machete or Ka-Bar Bk7 or Bk9. The Bk9 is a BEAST!!) and I like to carry a fixed blade "Camp Knife" around 4" - 5" blade for smaller chores, whittling, feather sticks, meals or processing game. I don't like to have a single point of failure and the important things I usually have triple or quad redundancy (cutting tool, fire, water & shelter) hence the CRKT folder and Leatherman Wave.
Good review, thank you
Thanks
The BK16 is lighter, thinner, and smaller. The BK10 is a stand alone knife, where as the BK16 is a great companion blade to have with another larger blade like the BK7 or BK9 or to use on short hikes.
Just ordered LMF II but will probably get the BK10 later thanks for the video man really helped tons with my decision
Glad I could help you.
Weird comparison, but very interesting. IMO, the LMF is more of a multi-tool and is a bit better for self defense. The BK is more of a tank and handle baton'g much better. If you go under the assumption that you simply cannot hammer on a rubberized handle, I think the LMF wins this hands down. The ESEE 6 would be a better comparison. And dollar for dollar, pound for pound, the ESEE 6 is a very hard knife to beat. Great vid, thx Gid.
LMF is not full tang. The fact that the pommel is not fixed to the 3/4 tang means it is a weakness. It’ll pop off with heavy use
for survival,the best Blade is a machete or little ax,the lmf is a perfect knife for hard work or Everton Day.bk10 is very heave for use every Day,and the gerber grip is better.
I like my lmf2 but I can't speak for the becker. I'm gonna say the becker is no doubt a great knife as I have a bk14 or which one is the necker its a great little knife.
I have both. A love both.
in my opinion I prefer the handle on the lmf I've had experiences where well let's just call it what it is plastic has broken and then you're left with a broken handle I guess either one can break but I would prefer the comfort factor given the fact that either one will break I'll take comfort
Just ordered BK10. Like waiting for Christmas !
gideonstactical the lmf 2 is actually not full tang. it stops about 3/4ths or 5/6ths through the handle then the metal butt end is put in. i have the lmf 2 and i found that the plastic/rubber handle is like almost shreading in a way at the point where it comes into contact with the fabric on the holster were the holster "locks" it in place. i was wondering if you have had the same problem? i refer to it as a problem because then the handle gets water-logged.
For tactical, camping, survival or all around task knife.....I dont care....I will take any of this knives. Both are going to be a great option.
The 3/4 tang on the gerber is for when you cut wires or use the pommel you wont get elektrocutet lmf2 really better for army use get the lmf2 but for survival get tbe bk10
the lmf isnt a full tang ints more a 3/4 tang because the pummel is only secured by the end of the grip so if a pilot has to get out of his plane and cuts threw a bare wire he wont get shocked but it is a strong knife besides that point.
Great review of both knives. The only thing I would add is that the LMF 2 is not full tang, it has a partial tang that is separated from the pommel for electrical current insulation. Whereas, the BK10 will conduct a current from tip to pommel which could be hazardous to your health. Great talking points though, I enjoyed it.
wouldn't a pilot be wearing gloves anyways, a military one at least?
ADAM MONTOYA True, but the combat gloves and/or aircrew gloves are not electrical insulation. Most are made with organic material with some made made components. Basically the gloves will conduct electricity as well.
ADAM MONTOYA at least that was the case when I was in the military a couple years ago...
I guess that's why we avoid stabbing electrical consoles unless in an emergency, or they're trying to rob us, right? lol
Is the starring yes with the Gerber you have to stab more in a downward angle to make the point level which is a little inconvenient absolutely but the tip is much more designed for paring then stabbing
The lmf2 is better for a tactical urban knife for the simple fact it has a handle that won't electrocute you if you cut live wires...you should have mentioned that in your video.
BK10 all day long.
Absolutely, that lmf is a pile, I’m surprised it’s stain production.
ive got the gerber great knife and i work it hard ,but id love to have bk10 in a heart beat,
Right on!
Yes,my choice would be the Becker.I especially like the BK2 Companion.There is a company that makes affordable kydex sheaths starting at $50.However,the BK10 isn't one of them(I don't know why they exclude this model) grizzly-outdoors.com
by the the way....if you make a mess the handle hiting the handle with a stick...batoning wrong way!! is not going to be a knife fail. Is just a user fail.
Dial enough to is also made the handle to cut to electric without being shocked
gerber isn't a full tang. it has about a three quarter tang and the pommel is a separate piece that is insulated from the blade.
I have both. They are both great knives.
First one of your videos I've watched, really good review.
I had a snafu with Gerber and they sent me the LMFII for free so I like it, lol.
Right on thx Johnny!
I think LMF II is the best knife for survival ! It' s awesome !
I want both!
In this video it says that the lmf 2 was full tang I thought that the knife blade & glass breaker pommel were separated so you wouldn't get shocked when cutting electric wires.
I miss spoke and you are correct.
i was gonna comment about that too.
how would you compare the bk 10 to the bk 16?
I have a Gerber Prodigy, and while I like that knife, there is no way that I would take that or a LMF II over a BK10. I really like my BK10.
One has to keep in mind that the insert on the lmf is the same material that your whole handle is made out of so once again by their nice handle will fail equally I'm afraid
You could always take the kraton handle off and wrap it with paracord and then boom back in service in 10 minutes
Yup I agree that the 420 Stainless is a cheap steel,, but you should call it by the real name it's 420HC there is a difference just like when you say 1095 it should be called by its real name it's 1095 CroVan perhaps not that great of a difference but it is a tougher steel making it a very good edge retention steel, the same difference with the 420 and the 420HC Buck uses it and my knives by Buck like the Buck 110 and the Special 119 hold a better edge than my Diver Knife but it's a better corrosion resistance steel, also my Condor' like my Jungle Saber in the 420HC infact it's just as good as my friends 1075 he even said that, or my Wilderness Tool, I wish you can make a video on the Wilderness Tool there aren't any video's on it and yet I think it's a very good camp tool especially when I'm using it to build a shelter it's pretty hefty tool 1lb, yet very versital you can chop and even use it like a knife, I like mine and it's in the 420HC and it holds a good edge retention, I didn't mean to be a critic and please I'm not but it can be a little confusing when you use short cut's and it can be confusing any how I really enjoy your video even though I don't have the LS I do have the BK-10 and I think it's a very good knife I have it paired off with the BK-9 and for the money I think it's a great combination out there, I recently used it for my coffee on the open fire that I've been doing and both of them preformed beautifully, all I do is use my Wicked Tough Saw made by Wicked Tree Gear and my 2Hawks Double Bit Hatchet made by 2Hawks only because I like using my tools, but the two knives could do just fine by themselves, it just helps me to get the job maybe a little faster, again Thank You.
Damn $75? Inflation has sure hit the roof, now they're both around 120....
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Ya the good old days
24 hours after ordering LMFII I canceled it and ordered BK10 just came in today and WOW I was so giddy when I opened it this is my 1st Survival knife & I don't see myself needing another one anytime soon feels frigging indestructible hair shaving sharp and very sturdy and beefy if the BK2 is thicker it sounds more like a tank with a handle now that I'm actually holding the BK10, maybe I'm just overwhelmed because it's my 1st one but wow man thanks for putting me on to this knife can't wait to take it into the woods
Glad you like it!!
The Gerber wins the Cool factor rating ...... It looks sexier and has the word "infantry " in its name .The BK is just UGLY ! Most knives are better than the personell carrying them . As George S Patton said , Its the Soldier , not the weapon that wins battles . The Gerber is my choice . Better glass breaker , much better sheath , electrally insulated , hammer and seration is an advantage , yes , even for survival cutting animal bone etc
Yea I thought so but they've replaced it now. So all well that ends well.
I would like to ask you, why the gerber LMF 2 knife, the box got 2 different, silver and black, and the knife logo is not the same, got 3 different, the LMF 2 got fake?
how can you recommend a knife that broke when you used it?
end of comparison
Thing is I have both and there amazing
The Ka-Bar Becker BK10 is better than the Gerber LMF2. However, the Ka-Bar Becker BK7 is better than both in my opinion.
I would agree, but except for the extra 2inches on the blade the bk7 is the same as the bk10.
The BK-10, happends to be one of the knives, paired off with my BK-9, and the BK-16, to me it's a great set, since I am a 3knife carry guy, it's a set that does great for me, not only does it match my BK-9, I have a hard time choosing between the BK-2 when I go into the woods, to me, it's one of my favorite 5" blades, ergonomic handle, grivory is excellent material, and awesome steel 1095 CroVan is real good stuff, there is only a couple of knives that I like better, and they are a little more expensive, not much, but just alittle, my Ratmandu has to be it, besides my Busse Ratmandu in INFI, but don't get me wrong, I think the BK-10, is a great hunting/camp/survival knife.
paulie 4x Thanks for the comments and ideas!
You'll gain that three or four ounces by the time you add a decent compact sharpening device for the pouch
lmf 2 is 3/4 tang
Lmf 2 isn’t actually full tang , only goes partially in the handle
Mr Gideon I'm sending my Ka-Bar back to get it replaced it bends slightly to the left I know there's no such thing as perfect but it's obvious to the naked eye I l don't know for sure if it came like this I was to excited unbox in it to check it thoroughly (lesson learned) I've only had it for 24 hours before I noticed it but I've only used it for whittling and I stabbed at the wooden fence in my back yard a few times nothing intense so I'm pretty sure I didn't bend it or could've just wanted to ask what has been your experience with Ka-Bars warranty or customer service if any? And have you ever had a problem like this? Thanks.
Weird I have owned every ka-bar BK model at some point and never experienced that problem. It must be a very random fluke.
I agree!
Is the lmf full tang? Just joke.. Kate bar is a wood chopper with low end sheath. Lmf better versa knife with nice sheath
Thanks for the info man. I got the lmf and u love it. I also own the bk2 also great knife. I suppose you could just carry both of them haha.
True that!
You sort of neglected to mention the LMFII's ability to be converted into a spear.
The Gerber sheath is kick ass but the knife is not full tang. The glass breaker has a small tang. They are not connected. There is a space in between. Its for shock Gerber says. Its stupid. The blade WILL fall out after a while. If this knife was made out of aus8 and "full tang" I would get this knife in a second.
Right on.
Actually what they meant, is that you can cut electric wires and because is not connected you don`t get the electric shock..
I Got LMF II more than 5 years using this knife quite hard. Nothing falled out. If knife is well made it does not have to be full tang. This Gerber knife is of course not perfect (however close to perfection), but in general does his job pretty well
do u think that spray painting the handles would be ok
Lemon Lemon You should be fine.
just use paracord
I got in a helicopter wreck and my Gerber knife wouldn't cut me out of the wreckage
Probably the 420 stainless the reason
Next time I get in a helicopter wreck I use my BK 10 no problems
great review but the lmf II isnt full tang!
you are correct it's three quater tang the reason was so it can be used to cut through electrical cable /wires. this knife is insulated which is great . it was designed for air pilots for getting out of air craft .the lmf2 is a great knife I love mine it's my go to knife.
What kind of oil do you recommend for caring for/cleaning/storing knives. I was wondering if gun oil is ok.
You can use gun oil, I like to use olive or vegetable oil. It is cheaper and non-toxic if you use your knife to do food prep of any kind.
heat treat has everything to do with it. 420 hc gets a bad rep. but bos does it almost perfect
Gidmeister, would you rather have the BK10 or the BK2 in a survival situation? I have both knives myself, but I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on which knife you would prefer given the pros and cons of both knives.
BK2 because of its weight and thickness, it is a jack of all trades master of none!
The LMF2 is 3/4 tang
Cool thanks!
But the Gerber does hold up but I prefer fulltang
BK stabs better, yet LMF better tactical?
Lmf2 is not a full tang. It's a 3/4
Ok thanks
The LMF2 is 3/4 tang.
Simple! Wear BOTH!
What lanyard do you have on the bk 10
Agreed, the AUS-8 Cold Steel "Kobun" really surprised me, same as their 1055 steel Gladius "Machete" (it's a sword, :D)
I did some heavy duty knife throwing and "Zombie-killing" tests and the LMF 2 has some wobble to it but I probably put about 15 years of standard use on it within 6 months lol
The Ka-BAr Tanto and the1095 cro van has impressed me to no end, though. The Ka-Bar looks rough like my Gerber but is holding up SLIGHTLY better, I used the LMF 2 as a throwing knife, heavy impact shit