Here Are 5 BMWs You've Never Heard Of
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Here are 5 BMWs you've never heard of! If you consider yourself a BMW enthusiast, you may be surprised to learn about these five rare BMWs.
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Doug thank you for posting this! Great video. I actually do own a CRT. From what I know, mine is one of three in the United States, including the one that is at the BMW museum in Spartanburg. I bought the number 24 out of 67. A couple of additions to what you already said about the car:
The engine is a real Motorsport 4.4L factory stroker. This engine only appeared on this car, as well as the E92 GTS. Also, the suspension is KW coilovers from the factory. The car even comes with the KW tool kit. The interior is unique to the CRT too. Anyway, if want to review the car, I would be happy to assist. I am in Jacksonville, FLORIDA.
That's pretty awesome.
Doug, get on this one stat!
RUclipsr Gercollector near Munich / Germany owns E92 M3 CRT and GTS!😉
@@einautofan6685 I know! Him, and I have quite a few cars in common. That said, this model was actually offered for sale in Europe, just like the GTS was as well, but neither one was ever offered for sale in the US. So, I feel that, mine is just a tad bit more special lol.
I hope this review happens!
You should make this a series and go through other car brands' obscure models. It'd be really interesting in my opinion
Yes!!! 👍🏼
I 2nd this motion.
no, then prices will go up
I'd deffinitly watch all of them! Yo Doug !!!
Agreed!!!!!!
This is really a list of cars doug is hoping people have and reach out. Love it
Makes sense. Same thing with his “cars i want to review the most” video that he made around a year ago, he sinced reviewed a bunch. Smart move
@@xaviergl sinced is not a smart move
really man? even rocks heard of the X5 V12. Doug being disappointing here
A lot of these are only in factories
@@chickenbud03 And I’m sure there’s someone with enough pull at BMW to make that happen who watches his videos.
It took production SUVs nearly 20 years to catch up with the e53 X5 LM, in 2022 the DBX 707 matched its top speed at 193mph, in 2019 the Audi RSQ8 matched its Nurburgring track time to the second, and that time was beaten in 2021 by the Cayenne Turbo GT, an insane vehicle that showed what manufacturers could do when they aren’t constrained to the limits of a production vehicle.
Well, the LM literally stole a S70 V12 engine from the mclaren F1. And keep in mind that engine had over 600 horsepower along with a fully gutted X5 chassis. Of course it would take 20 years to beat a one off car.
@@S70V12 Except that the McLaren F1 engine is a BMW engine that McLaren borrowed. It was completely within BMW’s rights to use their own engine.
Of course, i don't know any production suv with a gutted interior and a race car engine. Even today. Maybe because nobody wants to pay 6 figures or maybe 7 for a gutted race car engined suv.
@@actualyoungfarmer1078 I know I would 🤣
@@bunsenn5064 i didn’t mean stealing it as a bad thing, just used it for context on how powerful the drivetrain was
Doug is the type of guy, to know 5 BMW’s that we never heard of
Yes as a matter of fact he is
Doug is the type of guy to have people type Doug is the type of guy about him
#technicallytrue
Fax
The "Doug is the type of guy" jokes are getting less and less creative.
The e90 m3 CRT has the 4.4l engine from the e92 m3 GTS. That’s the most significant part of that car.
The first car, the E-46 Compact, had something far more significant in its engine: It was the first engine with BMW's Valvetronic system.
The ultimate unknown BMW… the ZBF-7er. It was a design concept replacement for the E38 BMW 7-Series. It featured a ridiculously large grill and had really odd concept accessories, like a DUAL I-drive (front and rear). It can be found in Germany’s BMW museum. Very odd, very cool.
looks like a modern BMW front fascia lmao
That’s exactly what I thought!
Very interesting when you look at today’s design. Tank you
Is it me or does the ZBF pull off the vertical grille way better than the M3/4? It looks like an afterthought on the new cars but it actually looks like it belongs on that concept.
Or…. The BMW “Goldfisch” … which was a dark Gold coloured E32(?) 7-series which was 30 centimetres (a foot! to the Americans) longer and had a monstrous V16! Wow… odd looking but … Wow!
The cherry on top of the M3 CRT was they put the 4.4L from the GTS under the hood. I remember it being ridiculously expensive though.
Do you know about the predecessor 2002 BMW M3 GTR Straßenversion
V8 e46
Very surprised the V16 "Goldfish" 7 Series wasn't on this list :)
or the E31 M8
I was really expecting this one
@Big Me Big Size yes
Goldfish was gem 16 cyl sedan in late 80s is unthinkable
e32 750il wagon
My favourite obscure BMW is the E30 333i.
They were sold in South Africa in very limited numbers.
It had some Alpina parts and was for homologation purposes if I’m not mistaken.
SA got some wild exclusives from different manufacturers.
Sounds so weird. Like 524 or 733.
There was also the VW Golf GTI R of the 4th generation in SA. It was basically a 1.8t GTI with R32 body kit but different rear bumper as the proper R32 was never sold in SA
I saw a BMW Z1 on the road last summer. That was weird, as they were never sold here in the US. -Cincinnati, OH. At least one M1, dude that went to my HS’s dad had one
Ooo google time for me
And there was also the E30 320is for the Italian market nicknamed "Italo-M3" in Germany. It was a regular e30 with the M Technik 2 bodykit and fitted with the M3's S14 engine with 2.0liters unlike the 2.3 of the usual m3.
Starting with the e46 compact meant I did suspect this was going to be “5 BMWs that everyone outside of the US has heard of” but I wasn’t pleasantly surprised to discover the e34 cabriolet and the CRT which I’d never heard of.
I was expecting the electric 02s from the ‘72 Munich olympics and some Chinese lab models to be mentioned.
Same, when I saw a compact being from Europe I thought it will be video of BMWs popular in Europe
This should be a series. Top 5 unknown cars from certain brands.
The conceptual predecessor of the 3 Series Compact was actually a hatchback version of the W201 Mercedes-Benz.
The CLC and C Class Sportcoupe were also european D
-Segment derived hatchbacks. This with an AMG diesel version included (C30 CDi AMG).
I miss the early 2000s 💔
European D ?
3 Series is a D-Segment car. Maybe the Compact dimensions are more related to a C-Segment car, but not in a 1 Series level.
Knew about the Hydrogen 7 series, but not about the E38 prototype, and I had seen the hatchback E46 3 series, but never realized that it was that. Your video was surprisingly informative! I don't know how unknown or not this story is at this point, but probably my favourite unusual BMW is the pickup version of the E92 that I believe M Sport created to haul around stuff at the Nurburgring.
M3 CRT is actually quite common here in Switzerland. There are between 30-35 M3 E9x listed on local marketplaces at any one time with 3-5 of these being the CRT model.
Wow the spec on the STO during the C&B promo might be the best I've ever seen, can't wait to watch that
Also the 7 series 'Goldfish"
1. Supra MK 5
Worship The Supra
I don’t think the mk5 Supra is a wagon..
hahaha
A friend of mine was totally into the new Supra and when I told her it was made by BMW she reacted like I ruined her life and now no longer wants one. 😅
Wowowowowow :|
I'm surprised to see the E46 Compact on this list. It was fairly well known and polarizing due to the headlight design. Personally, I always liked it. German tuner Hartge even made a special version called the H33. It had the E46 M3 engine and was faster around tracks than the M3. One of those would be an actual gem.
It was quite common sight in Europe but I never liked it. It looked like a Rover in the front and Opel Astra in the back.
You rarely see the 325ti, maybe twice a week a base level, trying to keep my 316ti on the street for a long time in Holland!
The Z3 V12 concept was pretty cool too- wonder what an E38 V12 must have felt like in that little car!
It probably drove a bit like the RWD Golf concept that had the W12 in it.
That sounds amazing. What was the power and weight of that car? Must've been like an MX5 with a mental engine.
I got to see the BMW Hydrogen V (and a bunch of of other hydrogen powered vehicles) during the 2008 Hydrogen Power Tour. Of all of them, the Honda Clarity was the only one that looked production ready; it literally could have come from the showroom it was that fully put together and had all the packaging done perfectly. I have a couple pictures someplace...
It did make it to production, but only in california and I think you could obly lease one
The first compact was partially based on the E30 (the rear drivetrain was identical like the Z3) and here in Europe was available with a 6 cyl engine with 170 horses… and ASC-T
It also has the E30 interior, for cost cutting reasons.
The inline 6 version (323ti) is pretty rare too. I've heard they made only 15k 323ti, if someone can confirm this number ...?
I have one and I can affirm the ASC-T is not very usefull 😂😅
@@maxipedia Partially only, it had a few E30 parts but not at all the whole interior as it is very different overall.
I own a 318ti here in the USA, and yes, the rear suspension and drivetrain components are just like a Z3, and the air vents, door handles, light switches, and a few other components are straight out of an e30. Many parts are compact specific though, and the front end parts are mostly e36 sedan. As far as I know, you either got ASC-T or an LSD, and not both. Fun fact, tilt steering column was standard in e36 models, but was NOT EVEN AN OPTION for a compact. Mine has sport package, heated seats, cruise control, and a manual, but despite having so many options, it does not have a tilt steering wheel.
@@gavinendsley first time I've heard about a LSD on a compact, even the 323ti doesn't have it (or maybe it's specific for the US?)
One other fact about the M5 Cabrio: Cutting the roof off make it so torsionally weak that extensive work would have been necessary to deem it suitable for production. (See 10:15, I'm fairly certain those are the tacked on chassis braces as a temporary solution).
And one to add, I'm driving a BMW Active Hybrid 3 (F30 Chassis, N55 engine), with total production of around 5,000 cars globally. It was BMW's first hybrid test, and the hybrid engine is there solely to pump out even more HP than a regular 335i.
5:14 thanks to M539restorations we do know that BMW made that
Love you Doug! Keep that energy
Can wait for the sto video
I wonder if Doug knows he is wearing a Philadelphia 76ers shirt or if he just bought it at the thrift store?
I was feeling pretty sad and questioning myself as a car guy throughout this list, but my redemption came with the e46 wagon, the only one I'd ever heard of, and I might've learned about it in one of your very videos lol! Congratulations on your remarkable job, Doug! Keep it up!
Cheers from Brazil.
The original 8 series M8 , only shown to the public a few years ago comes to mind as well.
it had the same engine as the X5LM
Had a V12 used in the McLaren as well if not mistaken
it had the same v12 engine as their le mans race car if i remember correctly
The title shouldve been
“Here are 5 BMW that Americans never heard about”
Oh come off it
I mean he's not wrong. The US doesn't get a whole lot of cars.
@@Planag7 the e46 compact is literally just regular traffic in europe so some people moght have heard of it over here
I gotta give it to you, I’m a hardcore bmw enthusiast and I can’t say I had heard about the E90 carbon edition or the E34 convertible before this video. Good job!
Thanks for the info bro. Really entertained most of us with good knowledge
Please do it with other brands too!
The E36 hatchback was also available with a 6-cylinder engine, just not in the US. There was a CNG version of the 4-cylinder known as the 316g as well (a little over 500 of those built total).
I call 316g a "rarity with no value" :D I have seen 2 of them listed for sale last 4 years. One seller was sincere with the comment "pointless car, nothing special about it".
@@razberik8320 Well maybe not yet ?
Europe also got a 1.6L single cam version of the M44 called the M43, in the 316i. Most had no AC, no glove box (just a shelf), crank windows, etc. Purely designed to be cheap. Rare, but not special really
@@gavinendsley Eh, not really rare either. They built over 230k 316i hatchbacks with the M43 and another 41k+ with the M43/TU.
@@gavinendsley Actually not that rare.
The specification you described was very common for most of compacts listed for sale few years ago.
The compact is becoming more rare now and usually better equiped cars survived to these days.
I actually have M44B19 myself and the previous owner in 1996 ordered almost every possible option.
The original invoice says 48 000 deutsche marken.
My brother owned exactly that E46 325i until last year. It had a relatively common setup with larger rear wheels. He enjoyed it a lot, although he never took it to a track or anything.
Doug content always makes my day
I think the e90 320si could of earned a place here.
"5 BMW Drivers that use indicators"
I don't know lately it's been a tie between Audi drivers and in fact Buick drivers have been catching up too!! :0
If I'm not mistaken, the E36 compact only came to America as a 318ti. In Europe these did come with a somewhat more interesting engine (the 323ti version).
Here are 5 BMW facts Doug did not hear of:
1. The BMW compact's engine bay is large enough to fit a V12. Some guy in the Netherlands did so and it recently sold for €5.000
2. Sreten from M539 restorations purchased a hydrogen V12 as a donor engine for his 8-series build.
3. The X5 LM is stored in Munich in the BMW basement where many other gems are stored. If you pull some strings ate the museum, you might be allowed downstairs to see it.
4. The M3 CRT is for the E90 sedan, what the GTS is for the E92 coupe. It has the same 4.4 stroker engine and factory KW suspension
5. The E34 M5 cabrio.... damn. I really did not know this one. You got me there Doug. Kudos 😂
Obviously Doug doesn’t watch M5E39 restoration 😂
Doug is the type of guy to forget he's talking to car people
Underrated comment
rated component of a demonstration
Well played, Dougie Fresh. I know my BMWs and you found some info that even I did not know about.... Keep doing you, we appreciate you! 😉
Doug the E90 M3 CRT also had the 4.4L V8 out of the limited production e92 M3 GTS instead of the 4.0L V8 of the regular E9X M3s
Laughs in M539
What about the 16 cylinder 7 series prototype?
This is so cool to watch make some more doug please
Great vid thanks Doug. I actually own a 325ti here in scotland. Much fun and lovely noise.
The E36 Compact actually came with three engine option outside the US. There was the 316ti, 318ti and the 6 cylinder 323ti
And the diesel version: the 318 tds
There were five engine options in Europe. We had the 316g (with a bivalent gas /gasoline engine with mighty 82 hp and 15,6 sec for 0-100 kph in the gas mode) and the 318tds Diesel engine.
@@AB-on1on completely fogot that bmw offered gas version lol just like people always firget the eta cars
@@AB-on1on they make about 105hp on euro 95 gasoline, 85 was only when running on CNG
The 316 was actually referred to as the 316i, or 316g if you had one of the 544 CNG models. Only the 318 and 323 were 'ti'.
i’m surprised the Nazca M12 wasn’t on this list. they made a couple production versions of this car
No, Italdesign did some Concepts... None of them was a "Production Car"!
@@einautofan6685 Sultan of Brunei has a couple of them in his collection all running and driving with vins and driven on the road
I apreciate the bmw`s you just mentioned, trully were exclusive one of cars. You could also maybe make a part 2 if you want with some other bmw`s that existed. Since you mentioned concept cars, here are some as well: The bmw E32 767I with a W16 engine, The Bmw Nazca M12 and C2, The M3 E30 pickup, and the electric BMW 2002, converted by bmw to experiment with electric technology
Ti model is common still in uk..didn’t know they were one of the rare ones in the bmw range..Txs for the video xx
The lame mainstream "car journalist" version of this would absolutely have the Isetta as #1.
Eww no. Even they have standards
Recently m539 restorations put engine from hydrogen E38 to e31! 😅✌️
It’s the engine block he’s using that uses the updated V12 LCI engine of the E38 Hydrogen 750hL. I’ve been watching that series and it’s an insanely awesome restoration project!
I love Doug’s 76ers “Trust the Process” shirt. Brother gets cooler every video. 🏀🙌🏾
Would love to see more videos like this maybe discussing obscure Porsche or Mercedes models.
Those two first 3 series hatchbacks were then the beginning of the new 1 series, initially they release them as only hatchbacks, being the E87 and E81 (2007). You could get them up to 265hp 6 cylinder, the 130i. Then in 2007 they release the 1 series coupe and convertible (E82 and E88) that would later become the new 2 series.
those bmw ti's are really common in europe
I like those, I rarely ever saw them in the US, but I loved the size and the short rear decklid.
Isetta 600 is the big brother to the more commonly known 300. It has rear doors and another row of seating in back and a different design. Looks pretty cool and never hear about them!
There was a e36 316g and also e34 518g, about 500 each powered by CNG. I owned one of those 518g models. Very low fuel cost and also very reliable engine.
I owned two of those 518g :) and I really like them. What color is your 518g?
The first is arctic silver whith a sunroof and the second is ascot green wich is pretty rare color for an e34
As someone that basically studies weird cars, the only one I didn't know about was the X5 LM and I absolutely love it.
I wanted to check if I'm a real BMW enthusiast by seeing if i knew all of these.
Luckily I do
Not only that but I owned the e46 compact 325ti
@@tonson5214 they are cool but ugly :(
@@MrPentaMan Heard it a million times, it is the ugly duckling of the E46 family, but I loved the front end.
LOL
3:17
I ❤ how Doug and Tyler tease each other in their offerings!
well, growing up in Germany with a BMW-loving mom makes you come across these cars by natural. except for the crt (not my bmw-age of interest) i actually heard of these. some facts i would like to share:
-the e46 compact is or was an daily car in germany. i remember seeing those wierd frontlights almost every day. the 'tiny' 4cylinder made a very good figure on our tiny curvy roads. a good, fun car with a lightweight back. nice cornering characteristics.
-the X5 LM got an original le mans engine under its hood, thats true. it was one of the 'crazy'-ideas the bmw-team had and got an OK from the ceos as an experiment, what would be actually possible in terms of motorsport-capabilities to get out of an SUV. the X5 LM marks the beginning of the X...M cars we got today.
-besides the e46 M3 wagon theres another M-car people would love today: the M8 based out of the e31 8series, interesting car aswell.
finally, if you are a person who is interested in bmws no one ever heard of: type in 'heilige hallen bmw' into the search bar. these videos are in german, but you could spot some interesting ones by eye 😉
-Daniel.
If it's a reliable BMW, then it's rare.
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Didn't know about any of them. Thanks for the video.
Feast for beema lovers!
Thank you Doug for this video. It was another great one! :)
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holy hell thanks Coinmarketcap for letting us know, too much random talk about these things nowadays
Ist this legit?
Hey where do you buy AMZ
I think this is either the best or worst event now that Amazons launch happened. Not really sure, I don't like them so much
Judging from quick research of the articles this is very real
Just wanna say.. My heart goes to the entire community for Amazons AMA88X building up something which is worth it for everyone. This is so smart by them to launch it to shatter the doubts and fears of the common folk which shouldn't even exist to begin with. Everyone knows the state of inflation and recession now and the way out is already in progress. Now it's just about catching the big fish
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How do I get it
@@StreamerBTW99 you don’t, this is a scam.
@@iamvaske It must be a hacked account since it was made 5 years ago, but this comment has almost 1000 likes somehow...
I appreciate the information Doug 👍🏾
I will admit that I was quite certain I would know all 5… but once again Doug delivered. I only knew about the 2 of them.
3:28 Doug!!! DoUg!!!! DOUG!!! That was a violation! Lol so Out of Pocket fr that, and I love it as fans of you and Hoovie
Well, I knew about almost them all...
You unintentionally got me with the M3 E30 convertible, I really didn't know it existed.
Cheers from Brazil.
Would love to see this video for other brands!!
Hi Doug, I am from Munich, huge BMW enthusiast and loved this video!! I just miss one entry: BMW made a E32 7series with a V16 engine. All the cooling had to be moved to the trunk, because the engine was so large. Therefore the car had fins on the side behind the rear doors to enable cooling. It was painted gold. That’s how the car got the nickname gold fish. Google it, it is easy to find.
In the end BMW didn’t build it because they thought the BMW 750i with a V12 (that Mercedes didn’t have) would piss of Mercedes enough. BMW revisited the concept for the RR Phantom Coupe. There is a Prototype of that car with a V16 as well.
I think he talks about production cars which that v16 goldfish never wasn’t, and I’m sure Mercedes had some interesting experimental cars too, may be even more than BMW.
The E34 Cabriolet was no production car either. I just mean that Mercedes had to postpone the launch of the W140 by three years, in order to get their own V12 ready. The Merc V12 smashed the BMW though. It had over 400 hp, BMW 299. But still a nice effort by BMW. That move put them on the map of luxury cars. But I get the vibe that you are more of a Merc guy 😉
Doug actually stumped me on some of these
Thanks for this trip down memory lane :)
coming from a die hard bmw enthusiast who loves the e90 m3, i never knew that there was a crt edition. you learn something new every day
Yesss!! Doug in the TTP shirt is my favorite
My first car was a BMW E46 325 ti (Compact), loved that thing 😊
If you wanna know more about the very special E90 M3 CRT the Gercollector has you covered.
@Doug DeMuro I am a huge BMW fan and I only knew of two of the cars on your list. Well done!!
I've had the pleasure of seeing the compact at a car wash here in 2019, me and my freind were very suprised and apparently its one of few in my country. Nice car.
i consider myself a super bmw fan and i actually learned something new today, i had no idea about the e90 m3 crt! my knowledge for bmw falls off after the e46 so im glad to have learned something new, thanks doug!
Same here. After about the e46 and e39 I started to lose interest in the new BMWs. I would still check up on them once in a while but not as religiously as before.
Cool video, my first BMW memory was sitting in a red M1 that was on a tour in Norway one time. The second one a BMW M3 with tune and winter spikes on winter up a recreation area, first time being sick in a car but worth it.
So happy for you Doug! I don’t know why but every milestone you hit, every dream car you get, every success that you achieve, it feels like we as your long time viewers and supported have an ownership in and share the happiness with you! I’m absolutely speechless about this latest one, but I do wonder how mrs. DeMuro feels about all this! We all know none of this is possible if you didn’t have her love and support so congrats to her as well for being such a great “car guy wife”!!
The only car guy girl I ever had also demanded to use it on the regular, and ended up bending the frame on it meaning the whole thing was kaputt, sold it for less than 50% of what I had paid originally, nevermind all the upgrades I had done. Xenons, 18" wheels, Koni shocks etc etc
@@noth606 oh man! I feel the pain! Thankfully mine just enjoys accompanying me from time to time on the passenger seat, looking beautiful.
As a BMW enthusiast, I only knew about 2. Thanks Doug!
The BMW E1 is really unknown too
So I am a big BMW fan and I didn't know about some of these. The one I DID know about (and consistently dream about as a sports sedan superfan) is the M3 CRT. Such an amazing car
I think Doug missed 2 really interesting BWM models, most people don't know off. 1: the E39 M5 Touring. (Only 1 prototype was built) 2 The legendary "Goldfisch" E32 7 Series (Also 1 prototype was built) It had a V16 engine! (Gotta love that air intake's in the back fenders!)
Doug the type of guy to do an accurate BMW enthusiast impression
Awesome, Doug. When I went to work for BMW in Munich, BMW picked me up from the airport in a Hydrogen 7. They proceeded to pull up to a hydrogen filling station, where they showed off how easy it was to fill up. Then, we were off to the factory. So, cool. It gets cooler: I worked right next the McLaren F1 engine testing team. That engine, sans exhaust, sounded like the legions of Hell.
Holy moly that 5 Series coupé looks SO nice. As someone who loves older luxury coupes and who drives a W124 E-Class coupé I would have loved that E34 coupe. It didn't have to be an M model, it could have just been offered with the normal E34 trim levels. I am sure people would have bought those, especially after the 6 Series was gone.
That's what I love about Mercedes, they really have been offering upper class and bigger size coupes and roadsters all the way back to when they initially started their lineups that we today know as E-Class and S-Class.
I had an E46 325i Compact. Love that thing, and unfortunately I had to let her go when I relocated to another country. Still miss her everyday...
BTW how about 2 Series Active Tourer? I think that should've made the list!
Err, nothing special about a 2 Series Active Tourer, thats a Honda Jazz basically, for grandmas.
@@3UZFE yeah it was nothing special, a direct competitor to MB B class, but much rarer…something that Doug would like…
I love the E46 compact they look amazing. My favorite BMW I’ve ever seen was an M6 from 80s and Alpina B8
For an next episode you can include the E90 320si, which i had and we had huge problems with her lol. Nice video btw
This would be a great series for every manufacturer. We all love quirky cars and ones we never got stateside.
@m5e39restorations has one of the e38 hydrogen engines. I believe there was more than one prototype. I new about the e65 hydrogen but I thought it also was only a prototype. Never knew you could actually buy one. The e92 m3 pickup (1 only for the factory) is also worth mentioning.
This was really interesting. Thanks for this video! My takeaway from it is that BMW opted to not make these cars because they could be easily cloned, with the exception of the 5 series coupe convertible of course which would require tons of effort to replicate.
First one he lists and I own, they also came with a quicker steering rack too, great cars the compact, love mine.