The Greatest Rivalry that Never Existed
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Before you comment, No hate intended to either side. They both exceptional in their respective ways. This video is looking over the popular rivalry narrative that some chess fans hold...
no hate intended....... *cherry picks on paper statistics* LOL (I know Magnus's achievements are indisputably greater than Hikaru's in chess, Hikaru says this aswell, however Hikaru posses a challenge to Magnus in more time controls than anyone else)
popular narrative? I'm guessing from Hikaru's streams, not from the wider chess fans
It's fun though 😂
Magnus is Magnus.. Magnus cannot be compared with anyone (also not hikaru) ..
Sure body
They are rivals in a category called "Who's the most popular chess player today"
Gothamchess
@@sequinmichellefootdoggy622 On youtube? Yes. Overall? No.
My grandma would know who Carlsen is, but would have no idea about nakamura
@@D0rlisokthat would depend in where you leave , magnus is not that famous i have asked many persons out of curiosity and nobody knows who magnus carlsen is (tho many knew who Kasparof was)
Chess seems more popular than ever due to the internet, but that’s misleading. In terms of mainstream appeal/knowledge of players it peaked in the 90’s with Kasparov and that IBM stuff. More people on the street remember Deep Blue than know of Karlssen.
The only rivalry between Magnus and Hikaru is which one GothamChess loves more.
Levy once said Anish
He would be the receiver of any of them
It's the rivalry for which will win his hand in marriage
@@zilvoxidgod oh 😳
@@zilvoxidgod sadly for them, they are already late
Nobody seriously thinks Magnus has any rivals, but you’ll always see it because they need people to watch. Without the appearance that Magnus could MAYYYYYBE lose, nobody would watch because we already know Magnus is most likely going to win.
Cept Hans 🤣
Braindead@@bencheevers6693
You talk like magnus wins all of his tournaments
@@yusufyusuf1998 majority of the time, he does
Hikaru does rival Magnus in online speed chess formats.
Let's put it this way:
1.Magnus
2.Late Magnus
3.Drunk Magnus
4.Caruana/Hikaru
DRUNK MAGNUS > LATE MAGNUS🙆
Let's fix this:
1. Drunk Magnus
2. Late Magnus
3. Magnus
4. Fabiano Marijuana
5. Hikky "I don't care" Nakamura
5: blind Magnus (if Fabi and Hikaru are in a bad day, he can fight for the 4th)
go back to playing 600 elo games kid
What about Shirtless Magnus?
nobody has ever considered this a rivalry the way you're describing it (ala Nadal v Federer and Messi v Ronaldo). Magnus is way ahead of the rest. If anything, there is a rivalry between Nakamura and Caruana for second place/best US player.
naka vs fabi is a heavily underrated rivalry
In recent times ? Maybe
Overall? Fabi is level above hikaru, it is not even remotely close lol
But naka kinda owns fabi@@JustAPokemonCommentingOnVideos
@@slayerxyz2463naka has beaten fabi in candidates and Norway. It is a close rivalry
@@slayerxyz2463 Only if you are considering classical chess in the past.. Recently in classical Hikaru has gotten the better of fabi.
"One of the craziest nights in chess history"
*literally just two dudes playing chess*
I was on birthday parties that were like this and I did not even play back then 😭 (one of the guys now has a higher rating than levy lol)
Watch Sherlock Holmes Game of Shadows
lmao what game of chess is not that when boiled down hahaha
you are right though.
To characterize anyone as Magnus' rival would be silly. Using the tennis example, Roger Federer ended with 20 Grand Slams, Rafa with 22, and Novak (unmentioned but relevant) with 24 and possibly more to come.
In 2009, Magnus won his first World Championship (Blitz).
Magnus has 5 Classical, 5 Rapid, and 7 Blitz World Chess Championships.
"Rivals" in the same 2009-Present timeframe.
- Vishy Anand has 1 Classical and 1 Rapid.
- Sergey Karjakin has 1 Rapid and 1 Blitz.
- Alexander Grischuk has 2 Blitz.
- Ding Liren has 1 Classical, which he wouldn't have been eligible to compete for if Magnus chose to defend.
- 7 other players have 1 Rapid OR Blitz championship.
- Hikaru, and for that matter Fabi and Nepo have 0 World championships of any format.
This means that across all 3 formats since 2009, Magnus has 17 championships, and the entire rest of the field has 14.
Really puts it into perspective how far ahead of everyone else he is
Anand has 5 classical
@@arjunbt9580 But not while Magnus was active. Lasker has more too, but you wouldn't compare him, as his achievements are from a different era.
@@arjunbt9580 agreed -- but I limited the timeframe to "after Magnus' first championship" so that it wouldn't be counting the time Magnus hadn't yet fully come into himself. To go back to the tennis example, it wouldn't be fair to compare 1998 Federer to 1998 Djokovic or Nadal. They weren't in the same league yet.
Hikaru has 1 Fisher random world championship, Wesley has 1 as well . Just to be precise
just gotta repost Maguns' paraphrase (15:24).
1) Magnus
2) No Rivals
3) Hikaru
This is exactly why this video exists. People think Hikaru is the next best player after Magnus this generation but in reality, he's like 3-4 after Fabi, Levon and early 2010s Vishy.
@@Navin4061 hikaru is above fabi in rating and in skill
@@Dmgx32 you have to be joking fabi is way better in classical
@@Dmgx32he isnt in classic. Even Magnus said Fabiano is better then Hikaru
@@HexxuSzHikaru just became the second highest rated player surpassing Fabiano a couple days ago.
That late night matchup gave Nakamura just as much of an opportunity to study Magnus’ chess as it gave Magnus to study Nakamura’s chess.
But Magnus its more talented
The reasoning (though I think it is a bit flawed) is that Magnus has been THE chess player, better than everyone else in every single part of the game from beginning to end and playing varied openings. Hikaru has been described as a more wild card type of player where he will pull out unexpected wins despite being weaker (only when you compare to other top 5 players) in opening variety/midgame. Get used to what the wild card pulls out and he becomes easier to beat.
That matchup did few things:
Magnus learnt Hikaru’s weaknesses
Hikaru learnt that Magnus has no weakness
@@batcrow6224 Make sense
the main thing that he mentioned is magnus got a better idea of which types of positions hikaru struggles in as well as his opening weakness, and based on that answer i think its pretty safe to say that magnus won an overwhelming majority of the matches which probably means hikaru couldnt take much away from how to beat magnus from the games they played. Is it cope? absolutely, he wouldnt be anywhere near magnus no matter what in real otb events. To say that they got the same advantage though is debatable.
only player who was close to Magnus was Peak Fabiano
Even then magnus was better by a considerable margin
@@varadsalunkhe9008 well, Magnus himself admited that Fabbi was close. They drew every single classic game in 2018, and Magnus only won on tie-breaks.
@@dimadimonchyk4696 Fabi was also 4 elo points away from surpassing Magnus during that match as well. Literally if Magnus lost one game it would've ruined the 7 year+ #1 rank streak he had at that time. Was a good time to be a chess fan
@@dimadimonchyk4696 Karjakin actually took the lead against Carlsen in classical, and had less losses in the rapid tiebreaks compared to Caruana.
It took the best year Fabi has ever had and the worst year for magnus, and even then Magnus came out on top.
@@disrupt94 Thats actually crazy, it took PEAK fabi and the worst year for magnus just for him to still win it
Rivals in terms of biggest stars in chess. But Magnus is way ahead of everyone not jsut Hikaru.
He has more championships than everyone else combined, in all catagories, since 2009. 17 for Magnus, combined everyone elses 14
I think Hikaru dominates the online chess sphere and that’s what is most commonly displayed through his content so it gives the viewers a skewed perspective of his standing vs magnus. It’s not close over the board, but Hikaru is actually very competitive with Magnus online iirc
their match score is still positive for Magnus by a good bit, though.
@@6121FRobotics not in bullet and blitz
@@RealChuckNorris comparing bullet chess is like judging a swimmer by their skills to initially dive into a pool
Daniel Naroditsky is amongst the "world best at bullet" but is nowhere in any other format
@@Matthew-bu7fg cry
@@Matthew-bu7fg that's super not fair actually of a comparison, each mode measures different talents which are all still very important puzzle solving components. magnus being by far the best at puzzle solving complexity doesn't mean that he automatically should be credited for being the best at processing information the quickest and most efficiently.
According to Magnus the only regret he has is not being able to play against his young self. His only actual recognized rival is himself😂
Hikaru regretting the 40 blitz games because Magnus took the opportunity to understand his playing style, means he couldn't take the opportunity himself to understand Magnus's play. This speaks volumes, Hikaru is a tactician, Magnus a strategist; or Hikaru focuses on his own play, Magnus learns how to destroy the opponent.
Now recently with Magnus learning from poker and reinventing openings from zero etc, he's doing that because he's virtually without competition, and he can try to understand chess itself outside of theory or competitors.
Edit: case and point, Hikaru says he lost because he played suboptimal sidelines, means he thinks you only win with the best "orthodox" theory, safe main lines, and you win when you force the game to a position where you know for sure you're winning, from memory. Magnus plays mad gambits and sacrifices to go into the uncharted, and thinks actively of a plan in that position. He just calculates better than everybody, so if all are equally in an unknown position, he will win because his trump card is not on the board. It's the meta, the social/diplomatic side of the game, like in poker. Suboptimal play draws others into errors and you can capitalise on that. It puts you to the risk of a temporarily worse position, so it's your responsibility to manage to get something out of the gambit, and to gambit only as much as you understand how to resolve the position in your favour. Eg a complex middlegame, out of theory, where you set up a fork and you win material, paid off, all by your merit.
You’re deeping it too much. It’s just an excuse Hikaru made up because of his fragile ego. He had as much of an opportunity to understand Magnus’ playing style as Magnus had to understand his. He is just the worse player out of the two, I doubt their score (14-1) would be any different without that match.
@@worldpeace8814 i agree it's an excuse by Hikaru, we're pretty much saying the same thing. I agree also that Magnus didn't need that game to overcome him; he would have anyway, eventually. But so many games at once surely were a great opportunity, which he took. Not taking it and then complain shows Hikaru's ego and victimisation that made/makes Magnus a step above him
This is the same reason Kasparov got the better of Karpov in their world championship matches. Kasparov just got better over time as he learned how Karpov played while Karpov couldn't really do the same vice versa
you're overcomplicating it. The more games played, the higher the chance of the better player winning. This is a known phenomenon and why sports often play more than 1 game to determine the champion. Hikaru knows Magnus is better, so he basically flushed his chances of ever winning consistently down the toilet.
"we are simply better than the others" ~magnus
Magnus and Hikaru’s rivalry reminds me of Anquetil and Poulidor in 1960’s cycling world. Anquetil won the Tour de France 5 times, Poulidor never did and was 2nd 3 times and 3rd 5 times, but Poulidor was the people’s champion, the most popular rider of the race at the time.
Magnus far more popular than Hikaru in anything but RUclips/twitch though. Mainly because he doesn’t focus on it.
@@jaybee4288Yes we are talking on RUclips though, so the voices you hear are inevitable screwed in a direction
6:58 his face😂😂
I think the double bongcloud draw was an important moment for Hikaru. It showed that Magnus finally started respecting him as a competitor. He wouldn't joke around like that with just anyone in a real game
True
I also think it was important for Hikaru in a different way. I think the pandemic was super helpful to Hikaru's ability to just chill out and not take everything so deadly serious all the time. An earlier incarnation of Hikaru with the chip on his shoulder might have gotten upset rather than laughed about it.
@@gcollins1992I wouldn’t say that because he DEFINITELY took that bullet chess championship personal though. He freaked out on Alireza, gave a big glimpse on before pandemic Hikaru.
Nakamura was never part of the conversation, he didnt even face him once in the Worldchampionship, i dont get why they even talk about this
because he is popular and at times he had a rivalry, but only on online blitz tournaments, saw many finals between these two.
But statiscally speaking it was never close.
Because Hikaru is the only other player who is arguably better than Magnus at anything to do with chess, which is online blitz/bullet.
That most viewers of chess see this format the most amplifies the effect beyond what it is actually worth.
@@Oldlard hikaru isnt better than magnus on online blitz and bullet , it is where hikaru is closest but he isnt better , maguns beats him by far in head up matches in both formats
There is no rivalry between these two, Magnus is just way ahead of everyone ... just imagine magnus wakes up drunk , play a tournament with probably half the prep anyone did or even less, and yet crush everyone lol
@@felopateer-n9yHikaru had 5 consecutive speed chess titles
@@felopateer-n9y nothing you said contradicts what i said. not sure why you posted.
One thing that never quite made sense to me with the 40 game match between the two: Hikaru continually talks about the weaknesses exposed in his own game, but never anything he learned about Magnus's weaknesses. It always comes up like Magnus tricked Hikaru into revealing something otherwise hidden. But they were both full participants. Why didn’t Hikaru gain anything from playing Magnus?
If the answer is, "Magnus was already more solid and could focus on more information than Hikaru," then how was the aftermath anything but inevitable already?
Well, maybe it accelerated the process of Magnus figuring out Hikaru and really getting the better of him, whereas before, Hikaru could use more bluffs and tricks without Magnus being 100% able to capitalize on them? I dunno, just theorizing.
Because Magnus is better than him. Hikaru's chance of victories were upset victories. The chance of the worse player winning after playing so many games decreases substantially.
There is absolutely no rivarly, Hikaru loves to see people think like that though.
Making shaky assumptions about what strangers on the internet think and feel is one of the dumbest things one can do
He does though, you can tell and it makes sense. If people think he’s on Magnus’ level it gets him more viewers and mainstream interest. Not so many people will sub to “2nd place and so far behind the best it’s ridiculous to even mention me in the same breath as him” so this narrative they’re on the same level only benefits his streaming career, which is seemingly his main source of income these days.
@@jaybee4288 ُTotally correct! The first reply is from someone who doesn't use their brain.
@@maloxi1472i see you don't have a clue about hikaru's fragile ego. You seem new to chess
Whenever Hikaru is asked, He always confirm that Magnus is a level above him.
This is considered a rivalry in the same sense that Goku vs Vegeta is considered a rivalry
But it's not entirely analogous. Unlike Vegeta, Hikaru was never better than Carlsen, while the Vegeta was far ahead of everyone else in the beginning, until he was overpowered.
except everyone loves vegeta. hikaru is a pos.
@@mr.anti-hero4398 Vegeta was also stronger than Goku for 24 hours after leaving the Hyperbolic Time Chamber to fight Cell, since he got in before Goku. Got completely outclassed again right after that, though.
lol ultra ego vs mui is debatable
comparing magnus to hikaru is like comparing messi to neymar
@@han-sooyoungatleast messi and neymar was comparable at 2014-2017,even ney at 2017 was better than messi imo,at 2015 even though messi won ballon dor he was at the same level as neymar or ronaldo not better not worse
3:05 I'm out.
5:28 What was stopping Hikaru from understanding Magnus' style and exploiting it?
While Magnus understands Hikaru weakness, Hikaru understands that Magnus has no weaknesses 😂
like Messi vs ronaldo, the only reason they compare these two is because ronaldo is the one that has been closer to Messi that anyone that doesnt mean hes on the same table
true ronaldo 3x better
When Magnus is so far ahead of everyone, the people he spends the most time with are the only ones that can be considered rivals. Chess is very different especially when you have someone like Magnus
you spoke the humbling truth to all Hikaru fans
Magnus is a man with many Rivals but no Equals.
Rivals are usually supposed to be close to equal. Magnus has many opponents but none are equals is a better phrase
Messi vs Ronaldo is a force debate. Better goal ratio, World Cup, 8 ballon dor >>>>
more ucls while dominating every single record,more leagues dominated and winning a euros with portugal>>>>>>>>
One is fifa son, almost half of his achievements are gifts from fifa and the journalists, whereas ronaldo is a definition of hard work and achieved everything by his own
This is the difference between messi and ronaldo
@@muhammadmasud223penaldo is UEFA’s doggy, we all know how he won those offside UCL’s 😂
poor hikaru, he had the talent to becaome world champion, he just had the bad luck to be in the magnus era
Kinda similar to Neymar being in the same era as Messi-Ronaldo, could’ve won so many individual awards but just outclassed by goats.
@@gregansbootstrap5352 reall
Lol, he's not even in the top 5 of his generation.
if not for magnus there would be an actually close rivalry between fabi and hikaru
Wasnt there a young kid recently who beated magnus ?@bryanchu5379
It's such a diss to call Nakamura "murican". Nakamura is obviously Japanese, even if he lives in the robber colonies.
He is of Japanese decent but he's American. Born in and lives in America
@@shunakiyama6275 Unless his name is secretly "Rests With Thundercloud", he's not Murican. You guys kid yourself. Murica is not a country, it's a Free Mason enrichment project, at best "an idea", or as Mike Pompeio infamously put it: The American Experiment.
An actual country has its own language, history older than what you can see in pictures, unique etneticity and some culture of it's own (no, neither french fries, hot dogs nor apple pie are Murican).
Murica doesn't even have a name! It has a general description of an alliance. "The Glorious Assortment of Areas in America"...
@@shunakiyama6275 Nakamura in particular is very likely the result of Murica nuking Japan and people fleeing to their tyrant for safety. Just 80 years ago. Which makes this particularly true.
Shocking to see that there are people who think Magnus has a rival💀
Funnily enough, Messi and Ronaldo isn't a rivalry. It was Messi owning Ronaldo for years. Ronaldo would do slightly better one year and be praised. But Messi was consistent and in their primes, it's not a competition
I don't watch football but oh boy this comment is gonna start a war💀
@@TheBluePhoenix008it shouldn’t, it’s facts, anyone with a football brain will acknowledge Messi is better and it’s not even close
Yeah Hikaru and Ronaldo just have good pr and advertising
Magnus has been on a diff level compared to all contemporaries...Only rivalry exists in Hikaru and his fans imagination.
The fact that one person can be so far ahead in a purely skill based game with such a complexity is absolutely insane
It's kinda sad when you think about it. Hikaru just born at the wrong time.
magnus said it best at one point when somebody was comparing the two of em. just look at the results. hikaru is one of the best speed chess players, but magnus still outperforms him even in speed chess
You did a great job explaining the rivalry. There is money and draw for a good fashion banter. Magnus is the GOAT and Hikaru is an incredible player who basically spring boarded chess into popularity. He deserves a lot of praise.
They are pretty darn close in blitz chess, but definitely not classical.
Hikaru was denied glory just because he was in Magnus Era 💀
Who knows in 5 year hikaru might unlock his hidden special talent that been sleeping and need to be awaken and become world champion. Who knows anything can happen Anything can hap
im suprise by the amount of subscribers you have i would have expected much more as this is a good quality video.
only casuals that picked up chess from the queens gambit and by watching the USA chess streamers that became popular because of that show (mainly Levy and nakamura himself) think nakamura is carlsen's biggest rival
Magnus is a league of his own
There are some things that are funny to hear as a chess player/fan... like those claims that "Magnus plays psychological chess, like when he shows up late". Dude.... the only "psychological" thing that happens there is he is able to get twenty extra minutes of sleep. This doesn't affect the opponent, a professional chess player, AT ALL.
exactly... this probably actually gives the opponents more of an psychological advantage since they know they're starting out with a massive time advantage.
so, you've never played chess before huh.
@@MaxIronsThird I don't know about you, but I wouldn't be bothered at all if I started off with a time advantage against my opponent... obviously it would give me a better chance to win the game. I guess you would rather be the one down time though, since you think it gives a psychological advantage
@@6121FRobotics What if your oponent gets to a game late, burning half his time, then starts blitzing out every move, by move 20, you're basically matched on time and on the board, and guess what, he's way higher rated than you.
Also, you had to just sit there waiting for minutes for him to come and play the game, it's disrespectful.
He's basically saying that he doesn't need the time, to win against you and it also makes it awkward for you, bc you don't want your oponent to lose, just bc he was late, something might have happened to him, well at least that's how top level players feel.
@@MaxIronsThird being outplayed over the board has nothing to do with psychology. If you have a massive time advantage and are unable to convert it that just means your opponent was better than you, not that they were good at "psychological chess"
Hikaru and magnus should be close rivals in bligz iirc
They are not though
Magnus is far ahead
Lmao not even close
yeah nvm i was high when i made that comment
3am braincells
There's Magnus, and then there's everybody else.
to be honest, naka, fabi, wesley so, karjakin, and maxime lagrave are all pretty much the same skill level and tied for second (although if we talk at their peak fabi is clearly the next best, generally speaking he is on the same level as many of the others, especially if you include other time controls, which i am counting for my argument)
Hikaru is the Zeno Zoldyck to Magnus’ Isaac Netero
Magnus vs Hikaru is like the Jon Jones vs Daniel Comier of chess except one guy didn't pop for steroids this time.
Nah Jones and Cormier are close in skill and have comparable resumes, did u even watch this video?
Daniel Cormier is a double champion and didn't lose to anyone not named "Jon Jones" for years. There's been plenty of better players than Hikaru during Hikaru's career. Fabi and Levon Aronian, just off the top of my head.
Magnus is undertaker of chess
Fabiano : shawn michaels
Hikaru : hhh
One of my earliest memories in the chess community was watching Levy recap the Meltwater finals. I had no clue their history and I know the classical score is incredibly lopsided, but in rapid and blitz it’s so awesome to see them play. I love watching them and they will always be rivals in my eyes, especially since the new Hikaru is a different breed according to him.
During the midnight match:
Magnus: learns Hikarus weaknesses
Hikaru: learns Magnus has no weaknesses
Everyone knows magnus is a head than the rest top players especially in classical, but in rapid and blitz event where people more likely to watch, both often face eachother in final match or in the decider match of the event champion. I think this is the reason why. And i think magnus has a psychology advantage over hikaru since long time ago, because he always play worse than usual when he has to play magnus. But i think he realized this so he adapted and improved his mentality differently nowadays.
Nah, even in rapid magnus is far ahead to hikaru. The margin in blitz is closer though.
Hikaru doesn't play bad against Magnus. Magnus just makes it look like he's playing bad. Totally different things.
It seems like a rivalry because Magnus has said several times that he and Hikaru are better than the others. Magnus is just the best. Magnus dropped the world title rather than grind through another bout with Nepo…he would have played if it was against Hikaru. They just have a strange relationship like that.
You sound so delusional hanging on to some love story between Nakamura and Magnus 😂 Magnus has said before he hates the format of the world chess championship and he also does not feel motivated to compete in it, how would hikaru motivate him to compete as opposed to Ian Nepo? Makes no sense at all.
You can compare him with Legends like Bobby Fischer but I don't see a rival for him in this generation.
Hope the young generation beats his ass in future although they will not be fighting prime Magnus at that moment but the question will be if they can dominate like Magnus .
This video is insanely disrespectful.
It is quite amazing how this video completely disregards Fabiano Caruana , who was actually the only one who really rivalled Magnus in classical and was perhaps as good as Magnus at his peak in 2018 and also maintained a 2800+ rating for years and instead pretends as if Hikaru was the by far no.2 player in the world and the only rival to magnus.
this videos not about him? its about the hikaru narrative
Hikaru dominated fabi h2h
@@nanashiv2 h2h wise magnus better than hikaru in bullet too
It kinda is very much like Messi v Ronaldo. One is clearly better than the other and it's not even close, but it's cool to believe there is.
only player who has a legit claim to have a real rivalery with Magnus is Fabiano
Yes!!
nakamura beat fabi so many times naka and magnus is greatest riivalry
Prime Fabiano was a beast at that time but such a pity he had to encounter against prime Magnus
@@nimitsharma4476 you must have negative knowlage. Fabiano is the only player who has basically gotten to one game difference in terms of rating (2835 vs 2832 in 2018). Has been world no. 2 for the longest and has played most games with Magnus. Not to mention he is the only player to never lose a classical game against Magnus in the world championship (Nakamura was unable to qualify) and was basically on the verge of beating him. Fabiano clears Nakamura
@@julianpuscikowski that might be true but fabiano has been losing to nakamura on both classical and blitz time formats especially fabiano are currently on a losing streak in classical (he already lost 4/5 times to hikaru in recent years), so saying him clear nakamura is not 100% correct since nakamura play in recent years have been improving compared to fabiano.
and yes, Magnus is different, he is like the beloved of Caissa, he has a serious and big motivation to play chess with all his presence and spirit, that's the difference between Magnus and all other players
Carlsen-Kasparov-Fischer is like Djokovic-Nadal-Federer
Magnus Himself said He has no rival and we all know this.
I feel like there is more distance between that guy from norway and hikaru than between hikaru and hans. And that distance is already huge.
Hikaru is a professional chess streamer and he continues to have such great results. While Magnus has an unbelievable talent and understanding of the game, 5 times World Chess Champion in classical, simply the GOAT. They are both best at different spheres. It is not right to compare them. I just love watching games between these two and it became a bit of an addiction.
Hikaru was being destroyed by magnus well before he became a streamer
But he was already a top player before streaming. The way youre describing Hikaru is as if hes just a good streamer but not a great professional
Magnus never had rivals overall. Magnus vs Hikaru is a rivalry only in blitz and bullet, especially in online chess.
not even close in online chess too
Well, technically Hikaru has achieved a world championship, if we count the fischer random world championships he has won. Although, only the 2022 one was under FIDE.
you can't christen something a "world championship" that was essentially a closed shop between about 6 players
Fischer random cannot be counted as a formal tournament as its more of a fun game than a serious fide bonafide tournament, due to the fischer random’s randomness it completely disqualify it self as a fair and competitive tournament. Thats like saying toy race car driving is equivalent to f1 racing
These documentaries are GOOOOD keep going dude ❤
It's actually the same as Messi and Ronaldo, while people compare them, Messi is just way ahead of anyone else (won the most Ballon D'Ors, the most Golden Boots, won every big trophy possible in football, the player with the most goal contributions "G/A" in history of football)
nah ronaldo still has stuff like most goals,ucls,uefa potys and stuff...meanwhile theres not a single (considerable) metric where hikaru is greater than magnus
Lol ,
Ronaldo beats Messi in most high level individual stats , just look at the year to year basis of champions league individual stats . you mentioned your ballon dors , the fact that there’s a Messi ballon dor meme speaks for itself. winning a world cup is a team game wasn’t just Messi , Argentina had a top squad.
Messi not even best player in Argentina history
imo Messi is better than Ronaldo yes but not as big as a margin as Magnus - Hikaru
prime Madrid Ronaldo in the UCL is just something else, all those UCL titles speak for itself, the man scored so many goals even generational talents like Mbappe and Haaland would not likely able to catch up
@@talibalilm1690 Name the high level stats then😆. Nigga is acting like the Champions League is the only competition. Why not just compare their outputs year on year?
Its a rivalry and they are close in skill level but one is always a litttle better. In other rivalries, its close but sometimes one is better, sometimes the other
Close in skill level???one has 17 world titles other has 0,what rivalry brother??magnus is not little better,magnus is far ahead and better In terms of all things
@@nikhildawani2913 exactly. but their gap in skill level is small. Its just that one is consistently better in contrast to other rivalries.
Its because 1000s elo players and below see hikaru as the king of chess without seeing that magnus is the reigning god
Carlsen to Nakamura in chess is like Redbull to Ferrari in F1.
2nd best is the most hotly contested spot because number 1 is just too far ahead
There is no player nowadays good enough to rival Magnus, well maybe Ding in his prime
im a fan of ding but that's probably a stretch. although having some excellent results against magnus, if it was a wc match, there is probably no more than 20% chance of ding winning
Pragg defeated Magnus multiple times, even today as well. lol.
@@utube9404so? How does that make him his rival in the slightest?
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@@utube9404Nope, i mean. Magnus is still leading the score. And Magnus has beaten him a bit more so Magnus is still up. But Pragg is very close and at his age, so, seems like Magnus gonna have to do something to comeback and show once again whos the BOSS
Pragg is Magnus Kryptonite but he's not won anything yet, so theres not something as rivalry. Like Karpov and Kasparov where Karpov was always there, Pragg needs more consistency but he's very good and he's the next big thing in my book
reminds me of messi vs ronaldo debate
???did you even see the video?
common kid dont be a WC kid both are Goats . Both shares and dominates their presence in football. (coming from Football fan)
The rivalry is in the sense that both magnus and hikaru are polarising ends for different tiers of fans. Hikarus fans are more loyal, magnus fans love him because he is the best
This is bs
Stop inventing $hit, there is no rivalry
@@learnerbetter9872Lmao. Rivalry because "Hikaru has loyal fans". In what world is that a rivalry?😂😂
not at all dont talk rubbish,today i saw how much loyal fans hikaru has got as he is getting trolled for his behaviour,to be fair hikaru dont even have much fans,on the other magnus is the most famous personality in chess history
I think the intended rivalry between Nakamura and Magnus, was only in the fast time controls, despite that Magnus won a real fast world champs many times, over Nakamura who didn't win a single one, despite that, Nakamura is known as one of the best speed players (blitz and bullet and maybe also rapid) .. so, think fans and followers know very well that Magnus is one of the GOATs, or maybe he is the absolute GOAT, in all formats, also in the chess titles .. don't think, even Nakamura fans think Nakamura is better than Magnus in the overal chess, especially the classic one ...
To be fair, the MESSI - Cristiano rivalry truly lasted two years (2008 to 2009). The rest is just MESSI being unbearably great.
with suspicious help,-- I meant coincidences 😆
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What do you mean ? Speak clearly and don’t be chaotic, please.
@@strSirius both of them had those
These 2 are looked at most often during their La liga era the CL and WC are the 2 parameters theyve been judged off of for which we know who owns the CL debate and who has the WC ....its a rivalry more tipped by iconic moments rather than pure statistics because both hold so much ridiculous records. Messi stands alone of course but it was a longer rivalry than what you stated for sure.
Very interesting considering at a point Ronaldo had the same amount of ballon dors, more ucls and an international trophy
Magnus has had that Jordan effect on classical chess; without him the post 2000's likely would have been known as one of the most exciting eras of chess, one with such a huge variety of all time greats being in their primes
It couldve been a period of many fierce competition between many rivals, each having their own interesting stories and goals, yet with Magnus here, no one else even stood a chance
And it isn't a fair competition, cause no matter how strong, consistent or decorated a player is; when you compare their careers, achievements and successes to the GOAT, everybody else just falls short
I don’t think this is a rivalry. I just think Hikaru has the best chances out of everyone else to beat Magnus. That’s why everyone gets pumped when they play each other.
best chances in blitz, maybe. In classical, Hikaru gets destroyed by Magnus. Excluding draws, Magnus has something like 14 wins and one loss against him.
@@6121FRoboticslike 6 years ago nowadays hikaru has been performing as best classical player since pandemic
I was 2nd best athlete and 2nd best at soccer at school, I hated the kid who was better than me. It's 30 years later and I still hate him.
So the Messi vs Ronaldo of chess
But here nobody is helping magnus to achieve anything😂
When there is no real rival, the demand will be greater than the supply so humans create one.
Magnus is way ahead that no one can rival him 😶
Mentions Federer vs Nadal when they're both 2nd to Novak
Hikaru's problem is mental, he can beat anyone when he's not overly emotionally invested; that's why he tanks when facing Magnus
Could say the exact same thing about anyone, including Magnus. You can’t just blame every single loss hikaru has on his mental state. Sometimes there’s just players he gets beat by their style, and sometimes he matches well against others styles.
This is a rivalry in the sense that Kiaba and Yugi are rivals in Yu gi oh. Magnus is a step above
Hikaru is Endeavor
You beat me to it😂
Except Hikaru isn't 2nd place and tehre are a ton of people ahead of him
If anything Nepo is Endeavour because as of what is happening rn people might never consider him no1.
@@ramanahveljeyaseelan5406 Depends on what u consider number 2, Hikaru is Fide Rating number 2 and considered by the chess top players themselves as the second best player of that generation, and magnus said himself his only rival could be peak Hikaru , then you add that he is the most watched chess player in the world (when Hikaru is not present in a tournament views are so low compared to when he is )
@@JanDarkyy What about peak Ding or peak Caruana?
And Im pretty sure Magnus secretly wanted Hikaru or Caruana to be his rival, but theyre not even close to his skill level
It must be boring for Magnus to be in the top for an entire generation, he wanted some challenges
Bro knows nothing about chess history
I think they were closer to "rivals" in the early part of their careers, particularly because with young players there's so much ambiguity as to how high and how quickly they can climb the ranks. So on one side you've got this American prodigy who looks like the USA's best chance at a world champ since Bobby Fischer, and on the other side is this Scandinavian wunderkind that has shown flashes of brilliancy and the potential for dominance, but no one could have anticipated him becoming arguably the GOAT. And, to your point, Hikaru scored well against Magnus rather consistently before that Moscow Blitz match. All the makings of a perfect rivalry for a decade or more. But their careers took different trajectories. Hikaru still had success and good results but also stepped away from chess in his 20's to attend university, and Magnus' career took off so much so that it's reasonable to say NO ONE is or has been his rival since he ascended in the early 2010's. It's fascinating that they still wound up where they are today, the #1 and #2 ranked players in the world.
Does Hikaru seriously think if he didn't play that late night match against Magnus, he would have any chance to overthrow Magnus at some point? Bro's delusional!
its probably more like "He wouldn't dominate me for the next 10 years and I'd have actual chances when playing against him"
@@terrarossa-tk6zu that’s also false in classical time format. The problem is that Magnus is a beast. The only way other people might have a chance against him is he gets much worse.
@@SekiroEnjoyer123 I agree, apparently Hikaru has 14 losses and 1 win against Magnus. The concept of playing enough games with a player to "solve" them is fascinating tho, its what Kasparov did to Karpov in 1984 and its what Karpov wanted to do to Fischer in 1975
3:15 the interpretation of this tweet is kinda inaccurate since I believe at the time it was created Magnus already established himself as Hikaru’s superior and already had a massive lead in h2h so I doubt Hikaru thought he could come out “on top” in their “rivarly”
18yr old Indian kid - Pragg defeated Magnus multiple times, even today as well. lol.
Once in classical 😂
Magnus is greatest
This video is not about prag
Mate, beating Magnus once or twice doesn’t make him better or even a rival
@@monkeyeknom527 pragg played really another level...but I have this feeling that magnus will come back and win the rest of his games...6 rounds still to go
@@monkeyeknom527 again, beating him once or twice does not make him a rival, doesn't matter what accuracy he achieved.
bro hasn't seen the Norway chess standings. Hikaru is slowly getting better. Only 2 games down is wild compared to before. So close to winning :(😥
Strongest chess player in history vs strongest chess player of today
jokes on you Magnus is still the strongest today
No one calls them rivals. Its just that Hikaru has a cool personality and is a popular guy. No one calls them Messi and Ronaldo, cmon bro
Popular guy??popular means more liked hikaru is one of the most hated gm but I have literally never seen any hater of magnus,except cery few magnus is more popular and more famous thought he is doesn't stream but magnus is the most popular guy
Great doc,loved it!
I am a huge Hikaru fan but in terms of greatness Magnus is stands alone on a mountain of supremacy..
Hikaru on the other hand is the king of the human players.
Alireza is a closer to a rival for either of them than they are to each other lol. But on a serious note, the closest rivals Magnus has had are Fabiano, Vishy and Levon..
Hikaru is like Benzema in chess... Magnus is Goat level so as much as he is really good and best in all human, but cannot outshine and outmaster Goat of chess
It's not a real rivalry bc it's clear who the real best chess player in the world is: my boy Levy AKA GothamChess