This was one of those episodes that emphasizes that comic book stories aren't just the escapism that comes from the exploits of extraordinary beings (I am sorry); they can be poignant character driven thought pieces. What a spectrum that is: the laughably camp to the moving sentimentality, and more so the vehicle of such a tale being one imagined to be both alpha and omega of the universe. Get it because he's named after the gr--
Avengers 4 ends with Thanos bringing everyone back to life (except the ones whose contracts have been fulfilled) and riding his helicopter into the cosmic sunset.
Hear me… and rejoice. You have had the privilege, of being saved by the Great Titan. You may think this is suffering. No. It is salvation. Universal scales, tipped toward balance because of your sacrifice. Smile, for even in death, you have become Children of Thanos.
This is my new favourite video of yours. I love how you explored the Thanos's motivations and the contradictions in him and his beliefs really well and drew comparisons and conclusions from other similar characters. And that finger snap at the end was perfect.
J335H I do wish they'd delved a bit more into how his biggest foil, Adam Warlock, helped him come to his senses. Those two are the inversion of the classic comic book hero/villain dynamic, Thanos as the powerful conqueror of obstacles and Warlock as the wily and untrustworthy manipulator of people.
I honestly just wanted them to make a subtle joke about it. Like, Thanos teleports to earth and the first thing he does is destroy a helicopter, or something. I don't know, I just want fun easter eggs!
NerdSync I hope Tony uses some kind of makeshift transportation to get back to earth and that it resembles a copter in some way. And since it would come from titan maybe it would have Thanos name on it
God if Avengers 4 follows a similar path as that "Marvel Universe: The End" story we may have arguably one of the deepest, most thought provoking movies ever; let alone superhero movies.
@@honoraryanglo2929 To be fair, the movie wasn't meant to be about Thanos. That was Infinity War's job. That said, I probably would've liked it better if it was that way.
And I thank you. For giving me a 15 minute essay to explain why Thanos is one of my favorite antivillains. I have had friends ask why him and not a 'cooler' villian like Carnage. Because Thanos, much like Dr. Doom another favorite, is more than cool villains stuff. He is human. He is...just as right as he is wrong. He is complex. He has a helicopter.
Fun fact : he’s also a Jew who survived the holocaust. How you might ask? Same way comics get away with all of their bull shit. Time Travel and mutation.
Thanos is basically Ivan Turgenev's Bazarov (the original archetype for both the Angry Young Man and the Nihilist) filtered through a lens resembling Darkseid because Roy Thomas literally told Starlin to rip off Darkseid specifically. The combination of the two makes for an odd mix, but it works.
It only took 200 years for the human population to go from 1 billion to 7 billion. So even if Thanos wipes out half the universe, it would only take a matter of decades for population to bounce back. If he truly wanted to maintain balance, he should build an army of robot Cthulhus dwelling within the dark space between galaxies that culls all organic life every 50,000 years to prevent the rise of civilizations advanced enough to become overpopulated.
KingOfMadCows Excellent point. However, the infinity gauntlet has the ability to do whatever thanos wishes, so he would obviously know that populations rise, so wouldn’t he know this and have a cycle forever in place passively?
Wow, what a amazing video. I really think nihilism character is really hard to do well, but you just proof Thanos is a perfect example of this, it’s not about the meaningless is about the Everything inside that meaningless. I think another character that explores this really well is... surprisingly... BoJack Horseman. Also, I got to get myself those Mark D. White philosophy books
I'm just glad they made Thanos's motives more relatable and understandable in the film from the getgo than him being a guy trying to impress and get into the pants of a bone lady who's not interested, who eventually gets over her because of his bro, Space Jesus.
Yeah, it's like they cut out the middleman (middlelady?). They just gave Thanos Death's motivation instead of having Thanos simply be the means of fulfilling Death's demands because he's in love with her. Kinda clever.
Just Some Guy with a Mustache Man you people are shallow, Thanos goal is not trying to bang death since death is not a person but a being, i think the abstract concept is to over your head.
LarryBonson Death can manifest in a physical form and absolutely can bang people, and has done (Deadpool). It's a while since I read the various Infinity comics so I can't remember if Thanos' love is goes in that direction or if it's more a sort of devotion. Probably changes with the writer like most things in comics. He certainly was jeolous of Deadpool at one point.
Mark Antill Death has never banged Deadpool in any comic, please list the issue#? Thanos jealous stems from Deadpool receiving what Thanos yearns, and that is appreciation.
Of course, they would simplify it like that. Because one or two movies is not enough time to dive into the intricate relationship he has with life and death that was told over years by Jim Starlin in the pages of Iron Man, Captain Marvel, Silver Surfer, ect... comics. I knew that was going to happen I'm just glad they were to able to tell an almost equally compelling story.
I don't understand why people complain about Existential Nihilism. Life does not appear to have any intrinsic meaning, but that is liberating. No fate or destiny. No absolute expectations. Even more, we can find satisfaction in striving forward in life. "We must imagine Sisyphus happy "
It is the fact that nihilism is false in and of itself. Purpose is subjective, and is neither good or bad. It is something we choose or do not. In the same vain, the Earth is destined to perish, as are stars and the universe itself. Destiny, by all means, is an unavoidable event or ending. Using that logic, we all have one, because some things are just inevitable.
@@juice2307 you claim that nihilism is false, but then affirm it seconds later. Purpose is subjective, yes, but _that's the point._ To have purpose you must have a subject, but the universe is an object. Which means that there is no *inherent* meaning in the universe, since meaning by definition cannot be objective. So, there is no inherent meaning - but, as I like to explain it, it can inherit meaning. We can suggest or suppose meaning to life, the universe and everything. This is the very freedom that Umbrae (the original poster) is referring to, when they say we have no fate or destiny, we are free to choose or discover our own. For this reason I would argue that what most people believe to be nihilism is, in fact, Existential Apathy.
@@juice2307 I guess that is true. I would still argue that it would merely be that subject's opinion though, even if it were a "Capital G Subject". Unless you think that the object IS the subject, but I think that's pantheism, and I don't think I'd want to dive down that particular rabbit hole. But, I concede the point that it would likely depend on your beliefs in that regard.
@@KelniusTV At that point we pretty much have to go into the psychology of perception. From a philosophical perspective, no one can really say their perception is more real than another's. Schizophrenics, for example, are perceiving hallucinations and delusions with their senses.
You're getting so great at video-making. Not just the script, but establishing the mood with music, transitions, vocal acting, everything. That snap at the end? Hecking cool.
It seems like while he believes nihilism it seems like his goal is utilitarianism is goal. Death of trillions in order to save countless more. I feel like if you remove his nihilism then he could be actually from a certain lense be seen as the hero, he is saying that the many overweight the value of the few.
Like all good villains, he believes his actions are the right thing to do, while the heroes simply try to maintain the status quo of how things already are. It turns Thanos into a really interesting character!
NerdSync yep, it adds this kind of sick perverse feeling that what he is doing is fundamentally wrong but at the same time if we ascribe value to lives he is taking what he sees at the most logical and utilitarian route. If we say life has meaning then removing the human point of view it can be easily seen why saving trillions over billions is a defensible yet horrible plan. I think what makes him terrifying to audiences is the cold and unfeeling way in which he does execute his plan, a snap of a finger and bam he has culled the population. It's such an inconsequential action anyone can do it but when he does it the universe is purged unbiased of half its population. It's terrifying but so interesting. Also thanks for all you do! I love nerdsync
Only problems I have with infinity gauntlet would be the writers clearly write themselves into a corner at the end. Infinity gauntlet is the perfect thing to point to when someone asks "'what would happen if you gave the villain plot armor?".
Mata Nui ... No they don't. The entire point of Infinity Gauntlet is to illustrate how Thanos' greatest enemy is his own personal failings. It was always intended to be that way. It's not an Avengers story about punching da bad guy.
I read the storyline up until the part where Nebula steals the gauntlet and thats just what I ended up taking from it. I still think Thanos had plot armor though.
I was wrong then. Wait doesn't the gauntlet give him near omnipotence? The story kept saying omnipotence some things keep saying near omnipotence. Only reason I kept saying plot armor is because that's just what it ends up looking like when you a villain that powerful.
Mata Nui It absolutely does look like plot armor. The reason I'm stressing the point is because there's no way to write a story like this, without it looking like the "villain" is incapable of being defeated by virtue of the "script said so". Because the fact that no outside force could defeat him, *is the entire point* . Forget "power levels". Forget plans to cull the universal population to preserve "a balance". Forget the Avengers (they're only B-list minor characters anyway). Go back and read the Infinity Gauntlet to the end, with the understanding that it is a character study of Thanos himself. Of course he has plot armour. He's the protagonist of the story.
I’m not crying you’re crying Really a great video, just recently started watching your videos and I believe this is the best one I’ve seen so far. I love the way you romanticize Thanos’ beliefs and showcase the depth of these. Hope to see much more like these.
Only person other than Jim Starlin is Donny Cates, obviously Jim Starlin is the definitive Thanos writer, he created him after all, but Donny Cates is a good successor.
@@alexnoir1018 Nah. Cates writes him as a thuggish edgelord with gore and power levels all over the place. Keith Giffen is the only one who got Thanos right after Starlin.
The friend who got me into collecting comics had a mad love for Jim Starlin, though his preferred series for him was Dreadstar (highly recommended, by the way). It was because of him that I picked up Infinity Gauntlet and became acquainted with the Mad Titan through the 1990s. And I loved every story Starlin and Ron Marz wrote around him. Thank you for showing everyone a) what a cool villain he ultimately is (even above Doctor Doom, he remains my gold standard of a comic book villain) and b) how faithful the MCU version was to the original (enough so to earn Starlin an individual shoutout from the producers in the Infinity War closing credits).
This video was actually kind of beautiful. I loved how conflicted thanos was in the film and i hope they touch on that marvel universe the end story in avengers 4, making the greatest hero of the marvel universe its greatest villain. Now excuse me i have alot of jim starlin thanos books to catch up on.
I LOVED your video (i like all of them, but this one in particular is very awesome). I think it might actually also give a hint on how Avengers 4 could finish because of the conflict you mention... Thanks for the awesome video Scott! Greetings from Mexico!
thepokekid01 if only an arc reactor or vibranium existed. Or perhaps a sorceror who can literally manipulate energy from different realities. Then regulating the population wouldn't be necessary. Oh wait
Dude. DUDE! This is why tis is one of my favorite RUclips channels ever. This was beautifully done. Perfect pace, script, images, theme, music... this was done perfectly. This is probably one of your best videos yet. Please, never quit, and keep giving us great works like this.
This was without doubt the best video you have ever made. I am glad you are still here, i actually got sad when you said you might leave because of the adpocalypses. Please never leave us.
Scott, ive been a subscriber for quite a long time, ive always loved your content, and you actually preach the same that i try to show to all of my friends, that you can grow smarter through comics, there is a beauty in them that very few people actually comprehend (at least in my experience), but everyone has the possibility to enjoy and even get the comprehension and love that everyone who watches your channel feels. I got to admit that ive used your videos as examples with a lot of people, but so far this is one of my absolute favorites, you are great man (sorry for my broken english, i'm still practicing it)
I don't know why but RUclips stopped recommending your videos to me. I had to actually search for your channel to see any of your videos. Amazing work, as always!
A love philosophy and this video was beautiful. I teared up; you did such a great job explaining all the concepts, linking them back to your theory, and it was a very entertaining. Thank you so much for ask your hard work.
I wasn't in love with Infinity war movie but liked how they adapted Thanos for the movie. His infatuation with death was always funny too me in the comics. Especially when he tries to make death jealous lmao
Chandasouk I agree with you on his infatuation with Death. It always struck me as ridiculous, and even with the marvelous explanation in this video, the fact that Death appears to him as a woman and that he's in love with her is the smallest part of what's actually meaningful to his character. I personally really liked Infinity War though. For one, the fight scenes were amazing, and the interactions between the heroes from different circles were hilarious. But also I love (and for one in particular, love/hate) the ways they broke from the mold of traditional tropes. *SPOILER WARNING* I mean, usually the hero usually never sacrifices a fellow hero or a loved one for the greater good, and always manages to find another way. But Quill actually tries to kill Gamora rather than let Thanos take her. Scarlet Witch actually destroys the Mind Stone rather than let Thanos take it. And what's mere, it doesn't work, and THE VILLAIN WINS. I'm personally a big fan of bucking the expected tropes and conventions, so I really like that personally.
Chandasouk He was trying to make Death jealous by creating life. Though that's silly to be seen literally, it is quite a deep dive into the mind of one who is obsessed with death. Though Thanos in the movie was great, he was changed because the audience likely would see a bag of bones, rather than the manifestation of Death in the Universe. I would've. I even hoped that the Mistess wouldn't be in the movie at all, because it does seem silly, looking at it literally, but just not... Literally. Lol
You know I like your videos, and they are very informative, but this one is just different. Its has a depth to it, and its not just your use of philosophy, (Which I always love since I am one of those philosophy nerds who loves to take philosophy classes, 93 credits back in the day.) Its the way this is edited, this is really an excellent video, thought provoking, the presentation was just a joy to watch. Great job, I hope to see more done this way in the future, every once in a while. Thanks.
This makes me think that at some point this could be the over arching plot of Avengers 4. I've been seeing videos with the question, "Who will beat Thanos?" When in truth, that is the WRONG question to ask. No one is going to "beat" thanos. Thanos might, in the end, just sacrifice himself. The rumored title of Avengers 4 after all is "Avengers: *The End* game".
Akis Mou Arsenal was only able to blast Thanos far across the universe and not ultimately "defeat" or destroy him. Maybe it could decapacitate Thanos but not kill him. Although I wouldnt put it past them using Arsenal with the plot seeds planted. With Shuri having collected enough of Vision's data, we might see this character in some form or another. But no, I don't think Arsenal is the end all be all ending of this particular arc.
First video I’ve seen of this channel, very well narrated and perfectly on point enough to keep me watching, found my new channel for my nerd focus time!!
The reason why I love infinity gauntlet is because it´s bassicaly a love story :v Thanos just wants to impress Death but she just keeps on friendzoning him :´v
This video was incredible. I was hesitant to click because it wasn't Wisecrack, but I am so glad I did. Everything from the execution to the analysis was incredibly well done. Suscribed and ready for more!
Scott. Scott. _Scott I know you run __superhypenews.website__ Scott you can't fool me now stop spoiling us with your content and by stop I mean keep doing it_
This is why i think no one at Marvel can write Thanos well but Jim Starlin. I just want to say that, if any writer made Thanos interesting, it's Starlin. Under Starlin Thanos showed he actually has an interesting character, who is more than being powerful and evil, and actually has some human characteristics. Starlin's Thanos was actually respectful, reasonable and sometimes even humble and heroic. His intelligence may be called a plot device but same can be said for Doctor Doom and Batman. Aside from Starlin, 90% of Marvel writers (with a few exceptions) think Thanos is this creepy guy who wrecks and kills everybody without a second thought, like he is a cosmic version of My Friend Dahmer. In other words, Marvel thinks he is just Marvel's version of Darkseid, while Starlin's Thanos is a completely different character with no similarities to Darkseid aside from appearance (Thanos wasn't even based off of Darkseid but another New God called Metron).
A fantastic video, Scott. I had no idea that the argument in Infinity War was pure canon outside of the Death part. The transition makes sense and also made me look at the Doctor Strange film in a different way. Thank you for this brilliant dissection of Thanos.
Darksied is the true nihilist, he doesn't care about anyone but himself and strives to take control over everything at least thanos haz true motivation and a brain that carries more. That is why in the movie when he says he is burdened with knowledge means he knows the truth behind everything and all even without the Infinity Stones. Best Marvel villain ever
jordan network killing anyone that dosent. if he had the anti life equations, he would control all life in thw universe, essentially ending all life because no living thing would have a life to live. roughly ... the same
Bit of a massive stretch, regardless of which Thanos you're using. Light is far from a nihilist, and his killings are not random and unbiased. Yes, they both believe that mass slaughter will in some way save humanity, but whereas Thanos doesn't choose his victims, Light kills people based on his subjective view of who does and who doesn't deserve to live.
@Tornike Tvalchrelidze Indeed! And "became" is the keyword. Too many people seem to think that Light was born evil, or that he would have become a vigilante even if he'd never found the Death Note. Truth is, Light was more or less a good person - especially so in the manga compared to the anime - but the terrible choices he made (without external influence from the Note itself, because that's not how it works) utterly transformed him into a wretch of a person. He's just way more interesting if you view him as someone who had everything and then gave it all up to keep his precious ego from snapping.
I'm actually very nervous about this video because of the transition in the middle... I know it's *strange* but please stick around until the end!
NerdSync this video made me sad cus of seeing infinin
Never knew the Thanos helicopter triggered you.
Dude this was actually one of my favorite videos you've done (By the way I feel you about the Thanos copter)
Amazing job. Plain and simple.
This was one of those episodes that emphasizes that comic book stories aren't just the escapism that comes from the exploits of extraordinary beings (I am sorry); they can be poignant character driven thought pieces. What a spectrum that is: the laughably camp to the moving sentimentality, and more so the vehicle of such a tale being one imagined to be both alpha and omega of the universe.
Get it because he's named after the gr--
Avengers 4 ends with Thanos bringing everyone back to life (except the ones whose contracts have been fulfilled) and riding his helicopter into the cosmic sunset.
hahahaha
*Kevin Feige wants to know your location*
You’d be disappointed.
Nah hulk brings every one back and iron man snaps thanos and dies
@@geraldinewoods254 congrats, you got the joke
Hear me… and rejoice. You have had the privilege, of being saved by the Great Titan. You may think this is suffering. No. It is salvation. Universal scales, tipped toward balance because of your sacrifice. Smile, for even in death, you have become Children of Thanos.
How do I know you aren’t Ebony Maw in disguise and you faked your death
I've red this in Ebony's voice LOL
@@arkhamgamer9878 Me too.
@@TheeKingRayzor same,lol😂
@@ieatwatermelon2995 👍
This is my new favourite video of yours. I love how you explored the Thanos's motivations and the contradictions in him and his beliefs really well and drew comparisons and conclusions from other similar characters. And that finger snap at the end was perfect.
J335H I do wish they'd delved a bit more into how his biggest foil, Adam Warlock, helped him come to his senses. Those two are the inversion of the classic comic book hero/villain dynamic, Thanos as the powerful conqueror of obstacles and Warlock as the wily and untrustworthy manipulator of people.
I agree, I loved that touch in the end!
Avengers: Infinity War would have been so much better if it had a Thanos-helicopter!
MrSchwabbl lol no!
Black Mishima 😂
I honestly just wanted them to make a subtle joke about it. Like, Thanos teleports to earth and the first thing he does is destroy a helicopter, or something. I don't know, I just want fun easter eggs!
Hopefully his introduction in Avengers 4 is him riding a helicopter into New York like a boss, taunting the Avengers.
NerdSync I hope Tony uses some kind of makeshift transportation to get back to earth and that it resembles a copter in some way. And since it would come from titan maybe it would have Thanos name on it
God if Avengers 4 follows a similar path as that "Marvel Universe: The End" story we may have arguably one of the deepest, most thought provoking movies ever; let alone superhero movies.
Very true .
Imagine if they show akanathen...
Yea, eh ha, that clearly didn't happen, total waste of potential
@@honoraryanglo2929 To be fair, the movie wasn't meant to be about Thanos. That was Infinity War's job. That said, I probably would've liked it better if it was that way.
@@mrmacross as a result he became a generic, sadistic one dimensional villain
And I thank you.
For giving me a 15 minute essay to explain why Thanos is one of my favorite antivillains. I have had friends ask why him and not a 'cooler' villian like Carnage. Because Thanos, much like Dr. Doom another favorite, is more than cool villains stuff. He is human. He is...just as right as he is wrong. He is complex.
He has a helicopter.
Fun fact : he’s also a Jew who survived the holocaust.
How you might ask?
Same way comics get away with all of their bull shit.
Time Travel and mutation.
NO he isnt.
Thanos is basically Ivan Turgenev's Bazarov (the original archetype for both the Angry Young Man and the Nihilist) filtered through a lens resembling Darkseid because Roy Thomas literally told Starlin to rip off Darkseid specifically. The combination of the two makes for an odd mix, but it works.
I don't feel so good...
NerdSync First of all Scott, how dare you
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NerdSync YOU....MONSTER
NerdSync TOO SOON
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WHY DO YOU DO THIS TO ME SCOTT?
"You...will never...be...a god"
*sigh* I'll miss him most of all
I **lowkey** will too. But he will be back.
@Jacob Wood damn buddy, need to talk about something?
That scene broke my neck tbh
It only took 200 years for the human population to go from 1 billion to 7 billion. So even if Thanos wipes out half the universe, it would only take a matter of decades for population to bounce back.
If he truly wanted to maintain balance, he should build an army of robot Cthulhus dwelling within the dark space between galaxies that culls all organic life every 50,000 years to prevent the rise of civilizations advanced enough to become overpopulated.
KingOfMadCows I saw what you did there. Kudos for the Mass Effect shoutout!
KingOfMadCows Excellent point. However, the infinity gauntlet has the ability to do whatever thanos wishes, so he would obviously know that populations rise, so wouldn’t he know this and have a cycle forever in place passively?
Okay I'm on board with your idea but I have a question: is romancing the space robot Cthulhus optional?
Not a great plan
Oh absolutely! Completely optional if you're not trying to get... THE TRUE ENDING!
Thanos 2020: Make Existence Great Again #MEGA
That should be a hat.
Yessss, just started it but I can already tell this video is gonna be a great one.
I was right :)
CAPTAINNNNNN MIDNIGHT
captain, big fan. wack
woooow captain
CAPTAAAAAAAAAAIN MIDNIGHT
One of the best videos I've seen from this channel in awhile. Well done!
Thanks!
Wow, what a amazing video. I really think nihilism character is really hard to do well, but you just proof Thanos is a perfect example of this, it’s not about the meaningless is about the Everything inside that meaningless. I think another character that explores this really well is... surprisingly... BoJack Horseman.
Also, I got to get myself those Mark D. White philosophy books
The books are great! You won't regret it!
rodrigo arellano and rick
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I gave endgame a 0/10 because the thanos helicopter was noticeably absent
Husk He was holding the Helicopter Blades to fight lol
It showed up in Loki, at least!
I'm just glad they made Thanos's motives more relatable and understandable in the film from the getgo than him being a guy trying to impress and get into the pants of a bone lady who's not interested, who eventually gets over her because of his bro, Space Jesus.
Yeah, it's like they cut out the middleman (middlelady?). They just gave Thanos Death's motivation instead of having Thanos simply be the means of fulfilling Death's demands because he's in love with her. Kinda clever.
Just Some Guy with a Mustache Man you people are shallow, Thanos goal is not trying to bang death since death is not a person but a being, i think the abstract concept is to over your head.
Just Some Guy with a Mustache
Agreed.
LarryBonson Death can manifest in a physical form and absolutely can bang people, and has done (Deadpool). It's a while since I read the various Infinity comics so I can't remember if Thanos' love is goes in that direction or if it's more a sort of devotion. Probably changes with the writer like most things in comics. He certainly was jeolous of Deadpool at one point.
Mark Antill Death has never banged Deadpool in any comic, please list the issue#? Thanos jealous stems from Deadpool receiving what Thanos yearns, and that is appreciation.
This is why no one at Marvel understands Thanos but his creator Jim Starlin.
In other word too he's one dimensional
@Anubis
Cool story bro.
Thanos motivation in the movie is much less ridiculous and kinda makes sense in a very twisted sorta way. Always enjoy these Scott!
Yeah, it's kinda clever how they changed it up a bit, but still kinda stuck to the comics. And thanks for the kind words!
It's Over 9000 Productions he could just double the resources
adZinco That's been mentioned elsewhere. It's harder to create than destroy. It would definitely take more power
Yeah but either way he will have to continue doing it over and over again. Cause the races will increase in numbers again.
Of course, they would simplify it like that. Because one or two movies is not enough time to dive into the intricate relationship he has with life and death that was told over years by Jim Starlin in the pages of Iron Man, Captain Marvel, Silver Surfer, ect... comics. I knew that was going to happen I'm just glad they were to able to tell an almost equally compelling story.
I hope Avengers 4 shows Thanos's helicopter. Lol.
I hope not because that’s SUPER dumb!
*thanoscopter
Spoiler Alert: It does
Spoiler: Thanoscopter does not make an appearance, because thanos is the copter.
@@jacobmorta3047 my mind cant comprehend
Hey Wisecrack, NerdSync here... 😂
I don't understand why people complain about Existential Nihilism. Life does not appear to have any intrinsic meaning, but that is liberating. No fate or destiny. No absolute expectations. Even more, we can find satisfaction in striving forward in life. "We must imagine Sisyphus happy "
It is the fact that nihilism is false in and of itself. Purpose is subjective, and is neither good or bad. It is something we choose or do not. In the same vain, the Earth is destined to perish, as are stars and the universe itself. Destiny, by all means, is an unavoidable event or ending. Using that logic, we all have one, because some things are just inevitable.
@@juice2307 you claim that nihilism is false, but then affirm it seconds later. Purpose is subjective, yes, but _that's the point._
To have purpose you must have a subject, but the universe is an object. Which means that there is no *inherent* meaning in the universe, since meaning by definition cannot be objective.
So, there is no inherent meaning - but, as I like to explain it, it can inherit meaning. We can suggest or suppose meaning to life, the universe and everything.
This is the very freedom that Umbrae (the original poster) is referring to, when they say we have no fate or destiny, we are free to choose or discover our own.
For this reason I would argue that what most people believe to be nihilism is, in fact, Existential Apathy.
@@KelniusTV I think that changes a bit when you believe an object was made by a subject.
@@juice2307 I guess that is true. I would still argue that it would merely be that subject's opinion though, even if it were a "Capital G Subject". Unless you think that the object IS the subject, but I think that's pantheism, and I don't think I'd want to dive down that particular rabbit hole.
But, I concede the point that it would likely depend on your beliefs in that regard.
@@KelniusTV At that point we pretty much have to go into the psychology of perception. From a philosophical perspective, no one can really say their perception is more real than another's. Schizophrenics, for example, are perceiving hallucinations and delusions with their senses.
Beautifully executed
Thanks!
You're getting so great at video-making. Not just the script, but establishing the mood with music, transitions, vocal acting, everything. That snap at the end? Hecking cool.
Damn.
Didn’t expect to have an existential crisis after watching this video
Have fun!
Oh my god... besides the beauty of what you said about meaning, your rythm and intention when saying it was amazing. I got goosbumps and a tear.
Wow this was very good i was so in to it
Thanks!
Masterpiece. I'm obsessed
Thank you 🙏🏻
You're so welcome. This was seriously so good
Perfect ending touch.
It seems like while he believes nihilism it seems like his goal is utilitarianism is goal. Death of trillions in order to save countless more.
I feel like if you remove his nihilism then he could be actually from a certain lense be seen as the hero, he is saying that the many overweight the value of the few.
Like all good villains, he believes his actions are the right thing to do, while the heroes simply try to maintain the status quo of how things already are. It turns Thanos into a really interesting character!
NerdSync yep, it adds this kind of sick perverse feeling that what he is doing is fundamentally wrong but at the same time if we ascribe value to lives he is taking what he sees at the most logical and utilitarian route. If we say life has meaning then removing the human point of view it can be easily seen why saving trillions over billions is a defensible yet horrible plan. I think what makes him terrifying to audiences is the cold and unfeeling way in which he does execute his plan, a snap of a finger and bam he has culled the population. It's such an inconsequential action anyone can do it but when he does it the universe is purged unbiased of half its population.
It's terrifying but so interesting.
Also thanks for all you do! I love nerdsync
Travis Sanchez As Adam Warlock pointed out, Thanos has a bad habit of lying to himself about why he does what he does.
Only problems I have with infinity gauntlet would be the writers clearly write themselves into a corner at the end. Infinity gauntlet is the perfect thing to point to when someone asks "'what would happen if you gave the villain plot armor?".
Mata Nui ... No they don't. The entire point of Infinity Gauntlet is to illustrate how Thanos' greatest enemy is his own personal failings. It was always intended to be that way. It's not an Avengers story about punching da bad guy.
I read the storyline up until the part where Nebula steals the gauntlet and thats just what I ended up taking from it. I still think Thanos had plot armor though.
Mata Nui ... Dude, he possessed omnipotence. Do you understand this concept?
I was wrong then. Wait doesn't the gauntlet give him near omnipotence? The story kept saying omnipotence some things keep saying near omnipotence. Only reason I kept saying plot armor is because that's just what it ends up looking like when you a villain that powerful.
Mata Nui It absolutely does look like plot armor. The reason I'm stressing the point is because there's no way to write a story like this, without it looking like the "villain" is incapable of being defeated by virtue of the "script said so".
Because the fact that no outside force could defeat him, *is the entire point* .
Forget "power levels". Forget plans to cull the universal population to preserve "a balance". Forget the Avengers (they're only B-list minor characters anyway).
Go back and read the Infinity Gauntlet to the end, with the understanding that it is a character study of Thanos himself.
Of course he has plot armour. He's the protagonist of the story.
I thought this was a wisecrack video! 😂😂 But I was pleased, nonetheless. #NS4L
I found this better than Wisecrack's Infinity War's quick take
If Thanos did eradicate the whole universe, then he did live “forever” because time is a relative concept.
Wow, jeez, this video is great. What a great analysis of a great villain. Keep the videos like this, Scott!
I’m not crying you’re crying
Really a great video, just recently started watching your videos and I believe this is the best one I’ve seen so far. I love the way you romanticize Thanos’ beliefs and showcase the depth of these.
Hope to see much more like these.
The movie did that finger snap moment so well.
No one at Marvel can write Thanos but Jim Starlin.
CapMar-Vell92 Returns no one has ever been so wrong
@@Rawc90 its true
I agree. I'm a massive Starlin fan and I feel like when other people write Thanos he loses his meaning.
Only person other than Jim Starlin is Donny Cates, obviously Jim Starlin is the definitive Thanos writer, he created him after all, but Donny Cates is a good successor.
@@alexnoir1018 Nah. Cates writes him as a thuggish edgelord with gore and power levels all over the place.
Keith Giffen is the only one who got Thanos right after Starlin.
The friend who got me into collecting comics had a mad love for Jim Starlin, though his preferred series for him was Dreadstar (highly recommended, by the way). It was because of him that I picked up Infinity Gauntlet and became acquainted with the Mad Titan through the 1990s. And I loved every story Starlin and Ron Marz wrote around him.
Thank you for showing everyone a) what a cool villain he ultimately is (even above Doctor Doom, he remains my gold standard of a comic book villain) and b) how faithful the MCU version was to the original (enough so to earn Starlin an individual shoutout from the producers in the Infinity War closing credits).
This video was actually kind of beautiful.
I loved how conflicted thanos was in the film and i hope they touch on that marvel universe the end story in avengers 4, making the greatest hero of the marvel universe its greatest villain.
Now excuse me i have alot of jim starlin thanos books to catch up on.
Imagine if halfway through the battle in Wakanda in Infinity War, he had cried "QUICK! TO THE THANOS-COPTER!"
this video was pure quality!
I have to say you exceed everything i could have expected
This was an amazing video. Both on content but as quality. 100/10
I LOVED your video (i like all of them, but this one in particular is very awesome). I think it might actually also give a hint on how Avengers 4 could finish because of the conflict you mention... Thanks for the awesome video Scott! Greetings from Mexico!
Thanks so much for the comment! It means so much to me!
If Only Thanos learned about Clean and Green energy!...
thepokekid01 if only an arc reactor or vibranium existed. Or perhaps a sorceror who can literally manipulate energy from different realities. Then regulating the population wouldn't be necessary.
Oh wait
Dude. DUDE! This is why tis is one of my favorite RUclips channels ever. This was beautifully done. Perfect pace, script, images, theme, music... this was done perfectly. This is probably one of your best videos yet. Please, never quit, and keep giving us great works like this.
Best vid you've made
Thank you! I appreciate it!
By far my favorite video from you guys, I love how this video is done as well as the writing!
wonderfull video to drift off to sleep thinking about life and its meaning, and feeling better about it than I have done in a while, thanks Scott :)
That's wonderful! Thank you for the kind words! Sweet dreams!
Ok this was honestly the most beautifully written video I've ever watched. Awesome job Scott!
Dude this channel is of such high quality.
This was without doubt the best video you have ever made. I am glad you are still here, i actually got sad when you said you might leave because of the adpocalypses. Please never leave us.
Wow. Just wow.
Btw awesome snap in the end Scott 😉😉
Haha, that was improvised. I'm glad you liked it!
Scott, ive been a subscriber for quite a long time, ive always loved your content, and you actually preach the same that i try to show to all of my friends, that you can grow smarter through comics, there is a beauty in them that very few people actually comprehend (at least in my experience), but everyone has the possibility to enjoy and even get the comprehension and love that everyone who watches your channel feels. I got to admit that ive used your videos as examples with a lot of people, but so far this is one of my absolute favorites, you are great man (sorry for my broken english, i'm still practicing it)
The Thanos Copter cameo was the best part of Infinity War.
I don't know why but RUclips stopped recommending your videos to me. I had to actually search for your channel to see any of your videos. Amazing work, as always!
Imagine if Tony say "impermanence is a feature, not a bug, of human existence!" to Thanos in Avengers 4.
A love philosophy and this video was beautiful. I teared up; you did such a great job explaining all the concepts, linking them back to your theory, and it was a very entertaining. Thank you so much for ask your hard work.
I wasn't in love with Infinity war movie but liked how they adapted Thanos for the movie. His infatuation with death was always funny too me in the comics. Especially when he tries to make death jealous lmao
Chandasouk I agree with you on his infatuation with Death. It always struck me as ridiculous, and even with the marvelous explanation in this video, the fact that Death appears to him as a woman and that he's in love with her is the smallest part of what's actually meaningful to his character.
I personally really liked Infinity War though. For one, the fight scenes were amazing, and the interactions between the heroes from different circles were hilarious. But also I love (and for one in particular, love/hate) the ways they broke from the mold of traditional tropes. *SPOILER WARNING*
I mean, usually the hero usually never sacrifices a fellow hero or a loved one for the greater good, and always manages to find another way. But Quill actually tries to kill Gamora rather than let Thanos take her. Scarlet Witch actually destroys the Mind Stone rather than let Thanos take it. And what's mere, it doesn't work, and THE VILLAIN WINS. I'm personally a big fan of bucking the expected tropes and conventions, so I really like that personally.
Chandasouk He was trying to make Death jealous by creating life. Though that's silly to be seen literally, it is quite a deep dive into the mind of one who is obsessed with death. Though Thanos in the movie was great, he was changed because the audience likely would see a bag of bones, rather than the manifestation of Death in the Universe. I would've. I even hoped that the Mistess wouldn't be in the movie at all, because it does seem silly, looking at it literally, but just not... Literally. Lol
This was an excellent video. I truly hope this is the direction that the MCU takes their version of Thanos in. Thanks so much!
This video is awesome
You're awesome!
You know I like your videos, and they are very informative, but this one is just different. Its has a depth to it, and its not just your use of philosophy, (Which I always love since I am one of those philosophy nerds who loves to take philosophy classes, 93 credits back in the day.) Its the way this is edited, this is really an excellent video, thought provoking, the presentation was just a joy to watch. Great job, I hope to see more done this way in the future, every once in a while. Thanks.
This makes me think that at some point this could be the over arching plot of Avengers 4. I've been seeing videos with the question, "Who will beat Thanos?" When in truth, that is the WRONG question to ask. No one is going to "beat" thanos. Thanos might, in the end, just sacrifice himself. The rumored title of Avengers 4 after all is "Avengers: *The End* game".
kaiplue one word. Arsenal, if u know the comics.
Sorry not that familiar with marvel comics and when I heard arsenal I immediately thought green arrow's sidekick
Akis Mou Arsenal was only able to blast Thanos far across the universe and not ultimately "defeat" or destroy him. Maybe it could decapacitate Thanos but not kill him. Although I wouldnt put it past them using Arsenal with the plot seeds planted. With Shuri having collected enough of Vision's data, we might see this character in some form or another. But no, I don't think Arsenal is the end all be all ending of this particular arc.
that would be kinda lame.
Anyone who hears Arsenal and doesn’t think of the football team is no respectable person to me
OMG I'm SO HAPPY this channel was in my recommended feed!!!
Hey Wisecrack, Scott here
Hahaha!
That last panel of thanos mask on the ground was just beautiful
I love this video now I’ll think of Thanos in a different light
That's awesome! Thank you!
NerdSync thank you for producing good work as always! And you’re welcome!
This is one of my favourite nerdsync videos
the subject , editing, music, script
it's just perfect
really good job man
As dark as the meaning he gave to his life is, i can respect that.
First video I’ve seen of this channel, very well narrated and perfectly on point enough to keep me watching, found my new channel for my nerd focus time!!
The first 60 seconds... oof... this is gonna get good.
Hahaha, enjoy!
NerdSync Oh hey, it was even better than I thought it was going to be. One of the best and most beautiful videos on this channel.
The way this video ended (before the sponsor plug) was adorable
Could Thanos sacrifice himself to restore life in Avengers 4? Think of the arc of that story, my god.
Exactly!!!
this video is probably the best video on RUclips I've seen in a while
You can’t blame Thanos. Mistress Death is a fine piece of ass
Skeletal Pryde Idk, I prefer some meat on my bones.
Yeah... you might need some help
Solomon Lok some help?? He needs considerable help..he’s talking about necrophilia here😉
Solomon Lok damn you guys never heard the word "SATIRE" This comment is so damn coverd with it you can smell it -_-
This is one of the best Videos on Thanos available on the internet. Just crazingly awesome !
The reason why I love infinity gauntlet is because it´s bassicaly a love story :v Thanos just wants to impress Death but she just keeps on friendzoning him :´v
Scott, this video? Yea, it's amazing. Seriously it is beyond awesome. Your channel has really come far. Good job my friend!
In my headcanon MCU Thanos is a deep ecologist.
This video was incredible. I was hesitant to click because it wasn't Wisecrack, but I am so glad I did. Everything from the execution to the analysis was incredibly well done. Suscribed and ready for more!
Ok, so, when Thanos went mad, I guess you could say he "snapped"?
SupahGaminNerd LOL, Funny! Great pun!!!!!
Dude that Doctor Strange clip with Ancient One is gorgeous. Makes me cry just by the visuals.
Great Thanos video. My favorite Thanos stories are the ones Starlin wrote on the 70 s .
Starlin knew Thanos inside and out, and he crushed it every time!
NerdSync Well he also made the best Captain Marvel and Warlock stories. Starlin is a great writer.
TheVetoSkreeemer yeah, stalin wrote a lot of very interesting history, especially in the 40’s
Turro Sure he did,just imagine if he had gotten the infinity gauntlet.
Probably my favourite video of yours so far, great job man.
I want to see the Thanos-copter appear in Endgame
This video has forever changed my outlook on life
Scott.
Scott.
_Scott I know you run __superhypenews.website__ Scott you can't fool me now stop spoiling us with your content and by stop I mean keep doing it_
This is definitely one of the best youtube videos I've ever watched. Thank you for your info and hard work!
This is why i think no one at Marvel can write Thanos well but Jim Starlin.
I just want to say that, if any writer made Thanos interesting, it's Starlin. Under Starlin Thanos showed he actually has an interesting character, who is more than being powerful and evil, and actually has some human characteristics. Starlin's Thanos was actually respectful, reasonable and sometimes even humble and heroic. His intelligence may be called a plot device but same can be said for Doctor Doom and Batman.
Aside from Starlin, 90% of Marvel writers (with a few exceptions) think Thanos is this creepy guy who wrecks and kills everybody without a second thought, like he is a cosmic version of My Friend Dahmer. In other words, Marvel thinks he is just Marvel's version of Darkseid, while Starlin's Thanos is a completely different character with no similarities to Darkseid aside from appearance (Thanos wasn't even based off of Darkseid but another New God called Metron).
A fantastic video, Scott. I had no idea that the argument in Infinity War was pure canon outside of the Death part. The transition makes sense and also made me look at the Doctor Strange film in a different way. Thank you for this brilliant dissection of Thanos.
Well done sir. Well done. I'll continue to watch your channel.
Made me shed some tears to realize that life does have meaning, this video kinda saved me. Thank you
Thanos needs to bring his helicopter to Avengers 4. It's not an option at this point.
And if he does, he needs to say "To the Thanos Copter!"
You're giving variety to the style of your videos while keeping the depth and the good analisys. Congratulations, keeo it up
#BRINGTHETHANOSCHOPPERTOTHEMCU
#FUCKYEAH
I like how right before the ShoutOut to squarespace, an ad starts
Then he went off to chicken farming... it's cannon.
This is possibly one of your best video uploads ever..
Darksied is the true nihilist, he doesn't care about anyone but himself and strives to take control over everything at least thanos haz true motivation and a brain that carries more. That is why in the movie when he says he is burdened with knowledge means he knows the truth behind everything and all even without the Infinity Stones. Best Marvel villain ever
Heartless25 darkseid is the opposite he only finds purpose in beings that followed his will
jordan network killing anyone that dosent. if he had the anti life equations, he would control all life in thw universe, essentially ending all life because no living thing would have a life to live. roughly ... the same
Darkseid believes in anti life, which is why he seeks its equation.
That finger snap at the end actually made me jump...PTSD
Thanos is Light Yagami confirmed
Marvel& Dc This universe is rotten. Evil?!! NO, I AM JUSTIIIIIICE!!!!!!!! *Snap*
Thanos probably used a human disguise with the help of the Reality Stone.
Bit of a massive stretch, regardless of which Thanos you're using.
Light is far from a nihilist, and his killings are not random and unbiased. Yes, they both believe that mass slaughter will in some way save humanity, but whereas Thanos doesn't choose his victims, Light kills people based on his subjective view of who does and who doesn't deserve to live.
@Tornike Tvalchrelidze Indeed! And "became" is the keyword. Too many people seem to think that Light was born evil, or that he would have become a vigilante even if he'd never found the Death Note. Truth is, Light was more or less a good person - especially so in the manga compared to the anime - but the terrible choices he made (without external influence from the Note itself, because that's not how it works) utterly transformed him into a wretch of a person. He's just way more interesting if you view him as someone who had everything and then gave it all up to keep his precious ego from snapping.
SCOTT! This is your finest video yet, I am so proud of you! Fantastic job on all counts!