Probably the coolest, old school sounding soldiers name I've ever heard. Monty LeClair sounds like name of a Anglo-French WWII SOE officer parachuted behind enemy lines lol
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I used a 4x and the M16A4 has a 22 inch barrel. I rarely used an M4 and I'm not very tall. But even still, the M16 was such a confidence inspiring system to me and room clearing isn't fun but I'll damn well do it.
There is actually a really good reason why the mk.12 spr and other m16/m4 based marksman platforms are still issued with the full auto trigger sear and that is because the trigger pull is much more consistent then the burst trigger sear. And when going for a precision platform trigger consistency is crucial.
@Michael Srite That's not what he means. He's talking about the difference in trigger pull between a weapon running a burst sear and an automatic sear while both are in semi. I've never gotten to use a burst fire weapon. But from people who have, I've been told that auto has a smoother pull in semi versus a burst weapon in semi.
I've never bought a complete rifle or carbine from Centurion Arms. However, I've used a lot of their components (rails, BCG's and such) with great results.
This interview is really cool, my platoon tested the SPR concept for the MCWL, I think it was around 2002, and my battalion was the first Marine unit to issue the SPR. I kinda knew the rifle was developed at Crane, so its neat to LAV talk to the guys who developed the gun.
Great vid as usual LAV. I absolutely love the MK12 platform. I would really like to see it issued army wide for SDMs over the EBR. The 14 platform and 7.62 are great unless you're the guy carrying it. As an SDM in Iraq I found myself using my M4 with an acog over the 14 almost always, unless i knew we would be stationary or out in a totally rural AO. Again thanks for the videos Larry and keep up the awesome work. Geronimo!!!
Yeah, the rest will be going up over the next week or so. Thanks for watching!! Make sure you share it and click the thumbs up if you like the content.
I carried a Mk12 MOD 1 in Afganistan back in 2008 with 2nd Battalion 7th Marines. Although I never had this issue, some other DM's experienced stoppages using the 77-grain ammo and switched back over to green tip 65-grain. However, mine performed beautifully during my specific engagements and never felt the need to make the switch.
The SPR was issued in full auto as during development Crane had been given M16 A1 recievers to dispose of and they decided since the spr has a heavy barrel anyways it could be used as a light support weapon if absolutely needed. The full length stock was used as the collapsing M4 stock and shorter carbine length recoil system caused bolt bounce issues on full auto. that went away with the rifle length system. However as most guys knew they wouldnt use full auto the stock was often switched to a collapsing m4 system once it got to units.
I always wanted to do a MK-12 SPR clone, but make one change, and that's the use of a 6.5 Grendel barrel. That extra reach of the Grendel with something like this would be sweet.
I think at the time of the video, the Mark 12 is nearing its lifecycle. Right now, no unit has the mark 12 anymore. They got the M110 in full stock and free float rails on all SF M4 issued rifles. So if you buy a Mark 12, it's really a relic of a era long gone.
So a sniper rifle, in the American sense of the word, is a rifle used by the shooter in a two-man team, separate from their squad and platoon. They take shots closer to 800-1000 meters today. The Russian definition of sniper is our definition for DMR. The Russians armed a designated marksman on the platoon level, to sit back in the trench, or do Recce-overwatch, not more than 500 meters behind the main infantry force. So, shorter range, more rate-of-fire, less precision and calculation needed for DMRs and their optics.
In simple terms DMR's are semi automatic Sniper support systems such as the M110, Mk11, Mk12, SVD, M1A, etc. DMR's are usually issued to the best shooter in an infantry squad. A Sniper rifle is issued to trained Snipers. Sniper rifles are usually bolt action rifles such as the M24 or USMC M40,M2010, AI-.338s etc, but Snipers may choose a semi automatic rifle such as the M110 or M107.
I like Metal Head's explanation but I want to add in that everyone wishes they could be a sniper. It's usually a gruesome training program that you have to be selected for. I recall a Navy SEAL instructor once said that their sniper program is one of the most sought after role and a lot of people don't make it. Whereas a DMR is usually someone picked out by the CO to be put into a couple of weeks training course and they're cycled back into the squad as a DMR. Usually the best shooter of the squad/platoon will be selected for DMR training and they're given a very basic run down of how to shoot and measure range. However, that is not always the case. Sometimes just some random person is selected for DMR and it's nearly impossible to fail the course unless you just don't show up or something.
this is interesting im actually building a spr at the moment ive changed some things up like hand guard and the comp things that are little out of my price range at the moment but i really do like the concept
Does anyone know if the 77gr stuff is used on all missions? I imagine at 600 yards, the M855 would lose a lot of energy and wouldn't be a fatal hit. As a thought, I wonder if the M193 is a better out to 300 yards but I imagine beyond that it would suffer significantly, even if you could hit your target.
Great program, buddy! I love the MK-12! Hey Larry, what gas block/ffs is that on the first closeup shot of a MK-12 mod 1 i believe with the ACOG sight? Its not the PRI or others im familiar with. Any info on that? Thanks in advance and thanks for a great channel!
Perhaps some unique systems could be adopted for special scopes on this gun. Ones that has a drone triangulation with a spotter and gunner in a real time targeting systems. I would imagine that this could make the difference in saving ammo in many cases, to say the least. The drone alone will make an enemy think about changing position and put a fire under their ass. We'll find some good uses for plastics, yet. The drones will be so easy to learn that kids can become experts at least with the drone tech. and help to pay for the project. It's what I would call a win win win situation here. Get the boys at skunk works hammering this out. It would even help a General get a birds eye on real time combat.
Nice video keep it up can you tell me how a rifle like that can have a free floated barrel when there is a gas tube that connects to the the barrel to the chamber
The gas tube is connected to the front gas block which is attached to barrel in the MK 12 Mod 0 it was attached to the ARMS folding front sight/gas block.......in the Mod 1 it was attached to the Badger Low profile gas block. In the rear of all AR platforms the gas tube just sticks thru locking ring/nut into the chamber where the carrier gas tube connects to it for cycle.
I believe Wylde has to do with the chamber design. I recently purchased an Eagle Arms (division of Armalite), and it's chambered in .223 Wylde, in which it will fire both .223 and 5.56 NATO.
Watch all of the optics in slow-mo. Their is a reason they need to be well constructed to hold up to recoil. Match a Mk17 (SCAR) in slo-mo, it’s even harsher.
I know some guys run the red dot on top after replacing the ring, but what are your thoughts about offset 45 degree sights or 45 degree red dots? The offset seems like it could lend itself to maintaining a cheek hold, even coming up from a sul position (versus low ready) with the rifle.
After running both, I recommend the 45 degree angle offset. You can put the mount between the 2 scope ring mounts. Larue makes a bad ass offset mount for micro dots or T1s. The big advantage to that is not having to lift your head or change position to acquire targets, you simply turn the rifle a bit while still maintaining your cheek weld and eyes on target.
Thanks Derek. I was on a stalk and had a buck pop out in front of me at about 35-45 yards and my 1-4 scope would've taken about half a second to get on target. I had never even cared for offset sights or anything like it before that moment. After running through the moment a few more times in my head, it certainly FELT like something on the offset would've been faster and I am glad to hear from someone who has tried both.
The BCM mark 12 comes in at 9 pounds naked, that is ridiculously over weight for a 223/556 AR , Plenty of AR's exist that can get the same accuracy and fill the same niche yet they are 1.5 -- 2 pounds lighter, no thanks BCM, no point in lugging that around when I could lug something just as accurate but way lighter
Sasmodog yep, you could buy any # of 18" mil spec uppers that are 1 lb or more lighter, and prob pay half the price because it's not labeled "mk12", still shoots good though
futurepj96 hey man, the A2 sight rifle is Larry's "SDMR" rifle. It's a modified m16a4 rifle the army started using. It's similar to the mk12 but a bit different. The marines also use something similar but it's called the SAM-R rifle. It has a flip up like the mk12, but again a little different in features
i am also right handed but my left eye is dominant and i am faster reloading with my right hand. My personal weapon was a C7A1 diemaco with an acog scope and yours?
Ok my question to you is and i dont know if this is the correct english word so dont laugh if i say it wrong.... do you have a short flask i dont know if the word flask is correct, the part that you put in your shoulder? Do you use your SGL-31 for CQB and that is the reason you put a reddot on it? Because i always thought and im not talking about real life experience that the reddot is not verry good for human target size ranges over 200 metres because the target is to small and would dissapear behind the red dot... what are you thoughts about it?
i think you mean "butt-stock"? The US army seems to not have too huge an issue engaging targets with the aimpoint compM2 at distances of 300-400m, Is it as good as a 4x optic like trijicon for that role? no. But thats why squad DMRs like this "sniper" with his Mk12 (I quote that because thats not really a sniper rifle, its more fills the DMR role.) exist which is good for targets at 400-800m with a variable optic like a 4-12 or something. I would never use my gun past 50m much less 400m.
Isn't the Mk.12 just a glorified M16 with a heavy barrel and match ammo? Even though it's "accurized" and all, why wouldn't you still opt for a 30 round mag over 20? It's not an AR-10.
I like the SAM-R, the Marine Corps version of the Mk. 12 a little better. Reason being, its barrel actually has a slightly different chambering, called the SAM-R chamber. It's tighter than 5.56 NATO, but it's not quite the .223 Wylde. More accurate chamber, probably specified for Mk. 262 ammo.
All the photos I've ever seen of a Mk 12 in a combat zone show them with a 30 round mag. It's not limited to 20 round mags. 20 round mag makes the gun look more "sniper-ish" for the looks though.
The military needs to replace the 14.5 inch M4 barrel with the civilian 16.5 inch barrel for increased velocity,range and ballistics. It would be the perfect gap between CQB and DMR.
Why make the military rifles look more like the civilian ones...we already have to deal with their bitching with collapsible stocks and pistol grips. dont give them more fire.
Gren Moyo it's not about making them look like civilians rifles it's to give the 5.56mm NATO better performance. A 5.56 NATO performs like a .22LR when fired through a 10 inch commando barrel. If you have a 16.5 inch barrel it can be used effectively from house to house fighting to long range sniping.
Then they can't use the bayonet. The 14.5 barrel length is used only because you can then attach a standard bayonet that can be used with a 20 inch barrel as well.
Just to raise hell, what the f is wrong with this "west coast" Navy SEAL's sleeves? Don't they teach then how to roll sleeves up in the Navy? That is just nasty.
Probably the coolest, old school sounding soldiers name I've ever heard. Monty LeClair sounds like name of a Anglo-French WWII SOE officer parachuted behind enemy lines lol
Yeah I'm changing my name.
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+Vickers Tactical Zastava M93 Black Arrow .50 BMG plz....
Larry, I wish you could do a review of my trade in original issued spr upper, it's definitely worth a review by person like you
Post em and hopefully, you can get a full pardon, sir.
Every other branch “2.5x optic, fixed stock and 18” barrel is bad for room clearing.... “
Marine Corps “Hold my fucking Crayons”
OORAH!
I used a 4x and the M16A4 has a 22 inch barrel. I rarely used an M4 and I'm not very tall. But even still, the M16 was such a confidence inspiring system to me and room clearing isn't fun but I'll damn well do it.
@@ValkyrieActual14120" barrel
Yeah people don't realize you use both eyes open, easy to use a 4x to clear rooms if you ever went to MOUT to train in CQB.
There is actually a really good reason why the mk.12 spr and other m16/m4 based marksman platforms are still issued with the full auto trigger sear and that is because the trigger pull is much more consistent then the burst trigger sear. And when going for a precision platform trigger consistency is crucial.
@Michael Srite That's not what he means. He's talking about the difference in trigger pull between a weapon running a burst sear and an automatic sear while both are in semi. I've never gotten to use a burst fire weapon. But from people who have, I've been told that auto has a smoother pull in semi versus a burst weapon in semi.
In the Philippines we use a similar type of weapon called the MSSR. And, recently it has evolved variants such as an SPR and DMR variants.
In a way that's a better system. Mk12 is outdated now we use the scar20
I've never bought a complete rifle or carbine from Centurion Arms. However, I've used a lot of their components (rails, BCG's and such) with great results.
This interview is really cool, my platoon tested the SPR concept for the MCWL, I think it was around 2002, and my battalion was the first Marine unit to issue the SPR. I kinda knew the rifle was developed at Crane, so its neat to LAV talk to the guys who developed the gun.
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Great vid as usual LAV. I absolutely love the MK12 platform. I would really like to see it issued army wide for SDMs over the EBR. The 14 platform and 7.62 are great unless you're the guy carrying it. As an SDM in Iraq I found myself using my M4 with an acog over the 14 almost always, unless i knew we would be stationary or out in a totally rural AO. Again thanks for the videos Larry and keep up the awesome work. Geronimo!!!
Deuce 509 Would love to hear more about your experience. M-14 fanboys won’t believe you opted for the poodle shooter over Thor’s hammer....
Seems to be much better on logistics too.
Larry Vickers is my hero keep it up
My MK12 reaches out to 600 yds with the Blackhills mk 262 77g and a 4x ACOG like magic.
It must have a really long barrel to be able to reach out 600 yards.
@@mrhellotherehowareu1384 M16 rifles with their 20 inches barrel can easily reach 600 with just M855 ball.
awesome! will you be putting the other segments on youtube? love the channel Larry, keep it up!
Yeah, the rest will be going up over the next week or so. Thanks for watching!! Make sure you share it and click the thumbs up if you like the content.
***** where can we see the full episode? from europe
I carried a Mk12 MOD 1 in Afganistan back in 2008 with 2nd Battalion 7th Marines. Although I never had this issue, some other DM's experienced stoppages using the 77-grain ammo and switched back over to green tip 65-grain. However, mine performed beautifully during my specific engagements and never felt the need to make the switch.
The SPR was issued in full auto as during development Crane had been given M16 A1 recievers to dispose of and they decided since the spr has a heavy barrel anyways it could be used as a light support weapon if absolutely needed. The full length stock was used as the collapsing M4 stock and shorter carbine length recoil system caused bolt bounce issues on full auto. that went away with the rifle length system. However as most guys knew they wouldnt use full auto the stock was often switched to a collapsing m4 system once it got to units.
Make sure to bring BANDAIDS for all that scope bonking with the acog
I always wanted to do a MK-12 SPR clone, but make one change, and that's the use of a 6.5 Grendel barrel. That extra reach of the Grendel with something like this would be sweet.
I love the MK12
Great video! Thanks Vick!
I think at the time of the video, the Mark 12 is nearing its lifecycle. Right now, no unit has the mark 12 anymore. They got the M110 in full stock and free float rails on all SF M4 issued rifles. So if you buy a Mark 12, it's really a relic of a era long gone.
I think a lot of this is for inspiring civilian shooters.
whats the difference between a sniper rifle and a DMR? Or at least the main differences, what defines them..
So a sniper rifle, in the American sense of the word, is a rifle used by the shooter in a two-man team, separate from their squad and platoon. They take shots closer to 800-1000 meters today. The Russian definition of sniper is our definition for DMR. The Russians armed a designated marksman on the platoon level, to sit back in the trench, or do Recce-overwatch, not more than 500 meters behind the main infantry force. So, shorter range, more rate-of-fire, less precision and calculation needed for DMRs and their optics.
TheMetalHeaD256 Gotcha. Pretty good explanation. Thanks!
In simple terms DMR's are semi automatic Sniper support systems such as the M110, Mk11, Mk12, SVD, M1A, etc. DMR's are usually issued to the best shooter in an infantry squad. A Sniper rifle is issued to trained Snipers. Sniper rifles are usually bolt action rifles such as the M24 or USMC M40,M2010, AI-.338s etc, but Snipers may choose a semi automatic rifle such as the M110 or M107.
I like Metal Head's explanation but I want to add in that everyone wishes they could be a sniper. It's usually a gruesome training program that you have to be selected for. I recall a Navy SEAL instructor once said that their sniper program is one of the most sought after role and a lot of people don't make it.
Whereas a DMR is usually someone picked out by the CO to be put into a couple of weeks training course and they're cycled back into the squad as a DMR. Usually the best shooter of the squad/platoon will be selected for DMR training and they're given a very basic run down of how to shoot and measure range. However, that is not always the case. Sometimes just some random person is selected for DMR and it's nearly impossible to fail the course unless you just don't show up or something.
this is interesting im actually building a spr at the moment ive changed some things up like hand guard and the comp things that are little out of my price range at the moment but i really do like the concept
Does anyone know if the 77gr stuff is used on all missions? I imagine at 600 yards, the M855 would lose a lot of energy and wouldn't be a fatal hit. As a thought, I wonder if the M193 is a better out to 300 yards but I imagine beyond that it would suffer significantly, even if you could hit your target.
Great program, buddy! I love the MK-12!
Hey Larry, what gas block/ffs is that on the first closeup shot of a MK-12 mod 1 i believe with the ACOG sight?
Its not the PRI or others im familiar with.
Any info on that?
Thanks in advance and thanks for a great channel!
Piggyback optics?
We got the VCOG now :)
Talks to a CA guy with a DD hat lol
Great video !!!! Keep it up !!!
I think the movie Lone Survivor sold a shit ton of mk12s and mk12 parts!
@vickerstactical any idea when they will be restocking this upper build? Been waiting for awhile to buy one of these
wtf Larry.... the FA trigger is for the consistent pull vs a 3rd burst trigger group
Perhaps some unique systems could be adopted for special scopes on this gun. Ones that has a drone triangulation with a spotter and gunner in a real time targeting systems.
I would imagine that this could make the difference in saving ammo in many cases, to say the least. The drone alone will make an enemy think about changing position and put a fire under their ass.
We'll find some good uses for plastics, yet. The drones will be so easy to learn that kids can become experts at least with the drone tech. and help to pay for the project.
It's what I would call a win win win situation here. Get the boys at skunk works hammering this out. It would even help a General get a birds eye on real time combat.
Nice video keep it up can you tell me how a rifle like that can have a free floated barrel when there is a gas tube that connects to the the barrel to the chamber
the gas tube isnt connected to the chamber it actually floats a little.
I have never heard of that well I am an AK guy
The gas tube is connected to the front gas block which is attached to barrel in the MK 12 Mod 0 it was attached to the ARMS folding front sight/gas block.......in the Mod 1 it was attached to the Badger Low profile gas block. In the rear of all AR platforms the gas tube just sticks thru locking ring/nut into the chamber where the carrier gas tube connects to it for cycle.
Leupold Devo must be perfect for the job!
Is the barrel .223 wylde? what is the preferred twist rate for 55gr to 77 grain?
Arturo Perez Military spec 556 Barrel id assume..... and 1x7 twist is common for that
I believe Wylde has to do with the chamber design. I recently purchased an Eagle Arms (division of Armalite), and it's chambered in .223 Wylde, in which it will fire both .223 and 5.56 NATO.
1x8 I think for wider load range
Very cool video...looking forward to the rest of the series!
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At 2:11 did that ACOG move as much as I think it did?
Watch all of the optics in slow-mo. Their is a reason they need to be well constructed to hold up to recoil.
Match a Mk17 (SCAR) in slo-mo, it’s even harsher.
Yeah, maybe. It’s slight so it’s kind of hard to tell…
Is Monty saying that he shoots mostly semi auto and never full auto?
Daniel Allen. Yes, always semi auto, unless SHTF.
Why on Earth (WOE) is Monty not wearing eye pro? We know almost everyone on the Left Coast wear Oakleys, if not Ray-Bans...
I know some guys run the red dot on top after replacing the ring, but what are your thoughts about offset 45 degree sights or 45 degree red dots? The offset seems like it could lend itself to maintaining a cheek hold, even coming up from a sul position (versus low ready) with the rifle.
After running both, I recommend the 45 degree angle offset. You can put the mount between the 2 scope ring mounts. Larue makes a bad ass offset mount for micro dots or T1s. The big advantage to that is not having to lift your head or change position to acquire targets, you simply turn the rifle a bit while still maintaining your cheek weld and eyes on target.
Thanks Derek. I was on a stalk and had a buck pop out in front of me at about 35-45 yards and my 1-4 scope would've taken about half a second to get on target.
I had never even cared for offset sights or anything like it before that moment. After running through the moment a few more times in my head, it certainly FELT like something on the offset would've been faster and I am glad to hear from someone who has tried both.
hogshead lim lol P.O,U ha
I want this in the next call of duty
I think I still prefer the MK12 with the leupold MK4 over the nightforce 2-10 because the MK4 is FFP versus the NF SFP
My issued mk12 had the Leupold mk4. It was a good optic, but the one I own now has a US Optics variable on it. USO is way better, but heavy.
The BCM mark 12 comes in at 9 pounds naked, that is ridiculously over weight for a 223/556 AR , Plenty of AR's exist that can get the same accuracy and fill the same niche yet they are 1.5 -- 2 pounds lighter, no thanks BCM, no point in lugging that around when I could lug something just as accurate but way lighter
Sasmodog yep, you could buy any # of 18" mil spec uppers that are 1 lb or more lighter, and prob pay half the price because it's not labeled "mk12", still shoots good though
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i shoot 62GR M855 out of mine.
how much is that (MK12) SIR?
Where could one theoretically look for that Mk.12 with the A2 style sight? Or is that not a Mk. 12?
futurepj96 hey man, the A2 sight rifle is Larry's "SDMR" rifle. It's a modified m16a4 rifle the army started using. It's similar to the mk12 but a bit different. The marines also use something similar but it's called the SAM-R rifle. It has a flip up like the mk12, but again a little different in features
Puddin127 Do you happen to know what it is that they modify on the M16?
The worst part about a mk12 is the price of either the whole gun or the parts
I want a mk12 but in 6.8 spc
Left hand shooter just as i am :)
me too. are you right handed too? im left eye dominant but right handed so i shoot left handed for ease.
i am also right handed but my left eye is dominant and i am faster reloading with my right hand.
My personal weapon was a C7A1 diemaco with an acog scope and yours?
Arsenal SGL-31 AK-variant with an bushnell micro dot. Good choice of optic Rens, Trijicon is from my State.
Ok my question to you is and i dont know if this is the correct english word so dont laugh if i say it wrong.... do you have a short flask i dont know if the word flask is correct, the part that you put in your shoulder?
Do you use your SGL-31 for CQB and that is the reason you put a reddot on it?
Because i always thought and im not talking about real life experience that the reddot is not verry good for human target size ranges over 200 metres because the target is to small and would dissapear behind the red dot... what are you thoughts about it?
i think you mean "butt-stock"? The US army seems to not have too huge an issue engaging targets with the aimpoint compM2 at distances of 300-400m, Is it as good as a 4x optic like trijicon for that role? no. But thats why squad DMRs like this "sniper" with his Mk12 (I quote that because thats not really a sniper rifle, its more fills the DMR role.) exist which is good for targets at 400-800m with a variable optic like a 4-12 or something. I would never use my gun past 50m much less 400m.
Isn't the Mk.12 just a glorified M16 with a heavy barrel and match ammo? Even though it's "accurized" and all, why wouldn't you still opt for a 30 round mag over 20? It's not an AR-10.
Easier to go prone, for longer periods of time with a shorter mag
I like the SAM-R, the Marine Corps version of the Mk. 12 a little better. Reason being, its barrel actually has a slightly different chambering, called the SAM-R chamber. It's tighter than 5.56 NATO, but it's not quite the .223 Wylde. More accurate chamber, probably specified for Mk. 262 ammo.
All the photos I've ever seen of a Mk 12 in a combat zone show them with a 30 round mag. It's not limited to 20 round mags. 20 round mag makes the gun look more "sniper-ish" for the looks though.
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This video would of been better without the Hollywood suppressor sound effects.
If my ar 15 is firing on the first shot, chambering the secound but the trigger is not reseting what could be my problem?
Check your disconnector and spring is installed properly
Also i just assumed its a new rifle. If it has a lot of trigger time check for wear on the disconnector and hammer
Can i buy the gun fully equipped with the scope
You can't really buy clones fully built, and no it doesn't come with the optic.
Reminds me of the M110 sniper system.
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the hollywood silencer sound effects are awful
Of course he drives a ford
So much better with the original PRI rail.
Hey I love your vids but lose the music while singing speaking
MK-12 is my baby.
The military needs to replace the 14.5 inch M4 barrel with the civilian 16.5 inch barrel for increased velocity,range and ballistics. It would be the perfect gap between CQB and DMR.
Why make the military rifles look more like the civilian ones...we already have to deal with their bitching with collapsible stocks and pistol grips. dont give them more fire.
Gren Moyo it's not about making them look like civilians rifles it's to give the 5.56mm NATO better performance. A 5.56 NATO performs like a .22LR when fired through a 10 inch commando barrel. If you have a 16.5 inch barrel it can be used effectively from house to house fighting to long range sniping.
you dont need to defend your argument, I am aware of those advantages. im merely bringing in the laws of unintended consequences.
Jesse Simmons In actuality, two inches isn't going to do jack dick. A 10.3 mk18 shooting mk262 isn't going to be much more outgunned by a m4.
Then they can't use the bayonet. The 14.5 barrel length is used only because you can then attach a standard bayonet that can be used with a 20 inch barrel as well.
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Just to raise hell, what the f is wrong with this "west coast" Navy SEAL's sleeves? Don't they teach then how to roll sleeves up in the Navy? That is just nasty.
Erick Quintero rolling sleeves doesn't help shooting the enemy.
Lol.
1. He ended up a Midwest SEAL. That's Morgan Co., Ind.
2. Navy always a little off, hats, etc. No biggie.