You did a nice job but I think you should always use a treated 2x4 for your bottom plate to avoid rot. I like tapcons better simply because there is more control. Sometimes ram set blows the concrete apart.
The best way I have found to clean out Tapcon holes in concrete is to use a compressed air can like Dust Off Electronics Duster. Each can comes with a red narrow tube taped to the side of the can (like WD40 cans) attach this red tube to the duster nozzle and stick it in the hole, a couple quick bursts of the compressed air cleans the hole all the way to the bottom . Also remember to drill Tapcon holes at least a 1/4" deeper so that went the Tapcon is installed concrete dust has some place to accumulate.
When I’m drilling deep holes with bits of any kind or on any surface, I kinda pump it out. So I drill down a little bit then slowly pull it back out (not all the way) and it helps dump all that dust out
With Tapcons I have a little computer blower to blow the holes out. It was like 70 bucks but it saves money on canned air and the nozzle is nice and thin to really get in there and clear the hole.
I use both. TapCon holds a lot sturdier so our framing crews do Ramset for the walls but TapCons for the knee walls in kitchens. The TapCon is a much sturdier hold on the knee walls where there is little support so both have their place.
You can walk up and shake both styles...there is no mistaking the TapCon walls held much better so that’s what we do now. I love the ramset because it’s so fast though.
I just bought a Ramset, and the instructions say to set the nail at least 3" from the end of the board ( or any free end for that matter). This prevents splitting the board or blowing out concrete. In the video, the nail looks more like 2" from the end.
This is maybe a silly question but can this be used outside? I'm needing to build a small fence which would involve part of it going over my path. Can you advise please. Thanks
After you loaded the "blank" in the hammer gun, you should treat it like a weapon and never point the nail towards you or someone else. You had your hand over the end while you were locking the "barrel" in place, all it takes is a strike on the "blank" and it will shoot that nail out.
the built in safety is identical to a nail gun. you have to depress the tip on the surface to marry the charge to the pin. without the tip depressed, the plunger will not strike the rim to ignite the charge and drive the nail
I have one of three 4 x 4 posts on the front porch that is rotted at the base. The other two original posts appear to be secured to the concrete slab with nails-looks to be nailed in diagonally (house build in 1952.) I would like to put in a new post but use tapcons inserted diagonally through the post and. into the concrete. Is this possible? Any advice appreciated-Thanks!
No you would not need the gasket. You just need some barrier so that the wood is contacting the concrete directly. The tiles would act as your barrier. Cheers!
Happy homeowner her, diy er of projects I should be....I was always under the impression that the whole point of tap con's was that you just screwed em right into the concrete. As expensive as they are if I'm drilling holes then why would I use something that costs 10 times as much as the anchor and screw set
I can't believe that you don't have a DPM (Damp proof membrane) under your concrete slab and rely on a strip of DPC (Damp proof Course) above the slab. What stops damp from rising up your plaster board if it fits direct on the slab without a DPM?
This our code here. Slabs after 2010 do have a membrane under the slab but it doesn’t negate having some sort of gasket between the wood and concrete. Drywall never contacts the concrete in a basement with floating walls otherwise it will crack.
Do you need to fill out a 4473 for that tool? Probably won't sell one to someone convicted of a crime punishable by more than a one year sentence... even if they got a shorter sentence like probation.
Great video tap cons waste of time and effort that’s been my experience also stripped no grab no bite The video was great as the quarter inch head tap con was going into the concrete you could see how the impact driver stripped it and then your hand actually wiggled the 2 x 4 back and forth ,Hilti or Ramset all the time I also like the way the tap con broke they’re worthless fasteners
I think you're supposed to put the TapCons in using a hand wrench or your driver on low torque. Need to stop turning as soon as they are in or you will strip them. Don't give extra pulls on the trigger like in the video.
Just asked Wade this question, but sounds as though you are familiar with the Ramset as well, so I'll also ask you. I've never used one before but I have access to one. I'm getting ready to close in a back porch that sits on a very sound concrete slab. The pressure treated 2 x 4's I will be using as a bottom plate will edge to the concrete edge, meaning I would be driving nails about 2 1/4 inches from the edge of the concrete slab. The last thing I want is to blow out a chunk of concrete. Appreciate your input and thanks.
at minute 8:06 you stripped the hole.... put volume up and listen to the drill spin freely on that screw.... why didnt you say anything about that? lol
Also... NEVER PUT YOUR HAND OVER OR ANYWHERE NEAR THE END OR POINT THE END ANYWHERE NEAR TOWARD YOU OR OTHERS, WHILE IT'S ARMED! It is, in effect, a gun! And even blanks can do harm to you or others!
How close have you used the Ramset to the edge of a concrete slab? I'm getting ready to close in a back porch for a Sunroom and I'm considering trying a Ramset with Yellow loads to connect my pressure treated plate to the concrete. Naturally, the 2x4 will have me using the Ramset about 2 1/4 inches from the edge of the concrete, and the last thing I want is to blow out a chunk of the concrete slab. I'd appreciate your thoughts and Thanks in advance.
I wouldn’t use a Ramset so close to the edge. I think you are right it it could crack the concrete. Probably the better choice would be Tapcon and just take your time drilling the pilot holes and Driving the tapcon. Could even use a drill instead of an impact to drive the Tapcon. I have used Tapcon close to the edge and also on patio blocks without issue.
@@Frenchwine15 Thanks, Dave. I decided to use Tapcons and avoid the risk of cracking the concrete. They worked fine, although my 71 year old back didn't like me much for a couple days afterwards!
Just drill and use tapcon if you really want to succeed everytime. Ramset is much quicker but it depends on what you are doing and how fast you want to complete. Definitely more consistent with tapcon. But quick and dirty for hanging some shit on walls that dont carry weight?.sure!..( i use expansion shields for hanging heavy stuff on concrete walls)..im not a framer but I can see the need for speed while framing on a foundation floor..I do appreciate all aspects of construction and enjoy all these videos. Keep on keepin on!
1/4" diam., 2" 3/4 long tapcon to anchor 2x4 stud to concrete. Also, never had any issue with dust buildup. I suspect this guy is force-drilling down like there is no tomorrow excessively long screws. You need to stop pushing every once in a while and pull up while spinning to expel debris. Same as you'd do with a drill press.
Don't handle these Ramset guns carelessly like in this video. They will fire that nail right through you like a bullet. People have been killed by these things behind walls when it shot the nail through the wall. Handle them like you'd handle a loaded firearm because that's basically what they are.
You did a nice job but I think you should always use a treated 2x4 for your bottom plate to avoid rot. I like tapcons better simply because there is more control. Sometimes ram set blows the concrete apart.
The best way I have found to clean out Tapcon holes in concrete is to use a compressed air can like Dust Off Electronics Duster. Each can comes with a red narrow tube taped to the side of the can (like WD40 cans) attach this red tube to the duster nozzle and stick it in the hole, a couple quick bursts of the compressed air cleans the hole all the way to the bottom . Also remember to drill Tapcon holes at least a 1/4" deeper so that went the Tapcon is installed concrete dust has some place to accumulate.
This is, by far, the best way... been using this method for YEARs.
Also you get a whole can of air duster to huff..
When I’m drilling deep holes with bits of any kind or on any surface, I kinda pump it out. So I drill down a little bit then slowly pull it back out (not all the way) and it helps dump all that dust out
With Tapcons I have a little computer blower to blow the holes out. It was like 70 bucks but it saves money on canned air and the nozzle is nice and thin to really get in there and clear the hole.
I use both. TapCon holds a lot sturdier so our framing crews do Ramset for the walls but TapCons for the knee walls in kitchens. The TapCon is a much sturdier hold on the knee walls where there is little support so both have their place.
You can walk up and shake both styles...there is no mistaking the TapCon walls held much better so that’s what we do now. I love the ramset because it’s so fast though.
Agree. They both have their place for sure. Main thing is use them properly and you should get good results.
@@jamesm2464 would Ramsets be good for what I’m doing? Fastening top plates to concrete ceilings, Non load bearing basement walls
the little compress air can will clean the dust out of the hole easily.
Would you be putting the sill gasket for a shower curb?
at the end, you mentioned you going to show a video of how to hang the wall from the ceiling. Do you have the link to share? Thanks
I just bought a Ramset, and the instructions say to set the nail at least 3" from the end of the board ( or any free end for that matter). This prevents splitting the board or blowing out concrete. In the video, the nail looks more like 2" from the end.
By added the screws he did fix his mistake though.
Yes true. I was just trying to show some things to watch out for. 3” offset is good for sure when you can get away with it.
Where's the link to create the framing layout. I don't see the link.
Thank you
Can you just use pressure treated wood as the board that attaches to the floor or do you have to put that seal in between?
How long are the nails you used with the Ramset?
3:49 curious. Just to the left and right of the door frame in the back…what is that gap for?
OK, i am pretty stupid. Where is the link to the next video about doing the top plate??
Should be using pressured treated wood for anything touching the floor.
The code where I live doesn’t call for pressure treated wood but you have to use a gasket that keeps the wood from touching the concrete.
Interesting, every other video for tapcons state do not remove the dust, it's what holds.
This is maybe a silly question but can this be used outside? I'm needing to build a small fence which would involve part of it going over my path. Can you advise please. Thanks
Yes you can. Tapcon are coated to reduce rusting. They will eventually rust but shouldn’t for many years.
Where's the follow up video to this one? Can't find it.
Great informative video!
I use a Ramset roofing. Hitting with a hammer to much I get trigger pull.
After you loaded the "blank" in the hammer gun, you should treat it like a weapon and never point the nail towards you or someone else. You had your hand over the end while you were locking the "barrel" in place, all it takes is a strike on the "blank" and it will shoot that nail out.
the built in safety is identical to a nail gun. you have to depress the tip on the surface to marry the charge to the pin. without the tip depressed, the plunger will not strike the rim to ignite the charge and drive the nail
I have one of three 4 x 4 posts on the front porch that is rotted at the base. The other two original posts appear to be secured to the concrete slab with nails-looks to be nailed in diagonally (house build in 1952.) I would like to put in a new post but use tapcons inserted diagonally through the post and. into the concrete. Is this possible? Any advice appreciated-Thanks!
I don’t see any issue with that as long as you can get a good pilot hole drilled on the angle. Good luck!
support your roof with jacks. then replace your posts with 6x6.
If you're building a partition wall in a garage and the garage has tiles, do I still need to put the foam between the tile and bottom stud?
No you would not need the gasket. You just need some barrier so that the wood is contacting the concrete directly. The tiles would act as your barrier. Cheers!
Happy homeowner her, diy er of projects I should be....I was always under the impression that the whole point of tap con's was that you just screwed em right into the concrete. As expensive as they are if I'm drilling holes then why would I use something that costs 10 times as much as the anchor and screw set
How deep does the screw need to be to be secure? We are installing an interior wall on top of laminate flooring
It should be a minimum of 1 inch into the concrete. But 1 1/2 inch would be better.
I can't believe that you don't have a DPM (Damp proof membrane) under your concrete slab and rely on a strip of DPC (Damp proof Course) above the slab. What stops damp from rising up your plaster board if it fits direct on the slab without a DPM?
This our code here. Slabs after 2010 do have a membrane under the slab but it doesn’t negate having some sort of gasket between the wood and concrete. Drywall never contacts the concrete in a basement with floating walls otherwise it will crack.
Your video was so informative and helpful thank you
Thanks Dan!
How long are the tapcons?
Use 3” or 3.5”
Do you need to fill out a 4473 for that tool? Probably won't sell one to someone convicted of a crime punishable by more than a one year sentence... even if they got a shorter sentence like probation.
Great video tap cons waste of time and effort that’s been my experience also stripped no grab no bite The video was great as the quarter inch head tap con was going into the concrete you could see how the impact driver stripped it and then your hand actually wiggled the 2 x 4 back and forth ,Hilti or Ramset all the time I also like the way the tap con broke they’re worthless fasteners
I agree Sam. Ramset for the win! Been using them for many years and never had any issues.
I think you're supposed to put the TapCons in using a hand wrench or your driver on low torque. Need to stop turning as soon as they are in or you will strip them. Don't give extra pulls on the trigger like in the video.
Just asked Wade this question, but sounds as though you are familiar with the Ramset as well, so I'll also ask you.
I've never used one before but I have access to one.
I'm getting ready to close in a back porch that sits on a very sound concrete slab.
The pressure treated 2 x 4's I will be using as a bottom plate will edge to the concrete edge, meaning I would be driving nails about
2 1/4 inches from the edge of the concrete slab. The last thing I want is to blow out a chunk of concrete.
Appreciate your input and thanks.
Also I don’t push down as hard as I can. I let the drill grip and pull it at its own pace
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at minute 8:06 you stripped the hole.... put volume up and listen to the drill spin freely on that screw.... why didnt you say anything about that? lol
Also... NEVER PUT YOUR HAND OVER OR ANYWHERE NEAR THE END OR POINT THE END ANYWHERE NEAR TOWARD YOU OR OTHERS, WHILE IT'S ARMED! It is, in effect, a gun! And even blanks can do harm to you or others!
Good point! This is important information that I missed.
How close have you used the Ramset to the edge of a concrete slab?
I'm getting ready to close in a back porch for a Sunroom and I'm considering trying a Ramset with Yellow loads to connect my pressure treated plate to the concrete. Naturally, the 2x4 will have me using the Ramset about 2 1/4 inches from the edge of the concrete, and the last thing I want is to blow out a chunk of the concrete slab.
I'd appreciate your thoughts and Thanks in advance.
I wouldn’t use a Ramset so close to the edge. I think you are right it it could crack the concrete. Probably the better choice would be Tapcon and just take your time drilling the pilot holes and Driving the tapcon. Could even use a drill instead of an impact to drive the Tapcon. I have used Tapcon close to the edge and also on patio blocks without issue.
75 mm is the minimum recommended edge distance on concrete slabs and columns.
@@Frenchwine15 Thanks, Dave.
I decided to use Tapcons and avoid the risk of cracking the concrete.
They worked fine, although my 71 year old back didn't like me much for a couple days afterwards!
Just drill and use tapcon if you really want to succeed everytime. Ramset is much quicker but it depends on what you are doing and how fast you want to complete. Definitely more consistent with tapcon. But quick and dirty for hanging some shit on walls that dont carry weight?.sure!..( i use expansion shields for hanging heavy stuff on concrete walls)..im not a framer but I can see the need for speed while framing on a foundation floor..I do appreciate all aspects of construction and enjoy all these videos. Keep on keepin on!
@@stephenenglebright What type of drill did you use?
I cant keep my wood from getting moist.
If you have to predrill either way, tapcon seems to be the way to go ...
lol nobody ever says what size screw to use. it's bizarre.
1/4" diam., 2" 3/4 long tapcon to anchor 2x4 stud to concrete. Also, never had any issue with dust buildup. I suspect this guy is force-drilling down like there is no tomorrow excessively long screws. You need to stop pushing every once in a while and pull up while spinning to expel debris. Same as you'd do with a drill press.
Don't handle these Ramset guns carelessly like in this video. They will fire that nail right through you like a bullet. People have been killed by these things behind walls when it shot the nail through the wall. Handle them like you'd handle a loaded firearm because that's basically what they are.
Should have used a wood drill for the wood then switch to the tapcon hammer drill.
What is the point of making a DIY reno youtube video when judging by all the comments everyone is Bob Vila.... haha
Stop waisting time with a hammer drill on concrete. Get a roto hammer, you'll be glad you did.
Why not use the treated 2by4🫣
Treated is not necessary when using a gasket material between concrete and wood.