So we are stage 2 now. SUPER FUN! After IE has the stage 2 file 100% we will go back to the dyno. Also While not 100% needed, I think we are going to upgrade the spark plugs. IE recommends NGK R7437-9 at .024" gap. Those babies aren't cheap at ~ $40 each. :)
When I had my 6R flashed to Stage 2 (Unitronic), the tech said I should expect the car to get a little faster over the following month as the engine and ECU settle into the new tune. Have you heard this? I'd be curious what your dyno numbers are after about a month/1000+ miles.
I always explain it like this - Stage 1 wakes the car up from stock, Stage 2 unlocks the usable potential, Stage 3 and beyond pushes the car to (or beyond) its limits.
From an owner perspective, Stage 1 is nearly always the way the car should come come the factory, but for the manufacturer, hitting those fuel economy and emissions targets are what matters. Stage 2 is the sweet spot for an enthusiast and stage 3 is rarely suitable for an everyday driver, you go to stage 3 for no other reason than, you can.
Charles your hands down one of the best car RUclipsr’s in the business, your explanations, workmanship and videos are top notch!!! Always look forward to your videos 👍👌
Totally agree, best one out there. Tuned up cars when i was younger and now just getting back into it with my first build in years, working on stage one on my mk7r and your video have helped so much and a few laughs too
Charles don't just look at the peak numbers, the graph tells a great story in green. Your peak torque may be the same as stage 1 but look how much sooner it rises in green. Same for the horsepower, your powerband is stronger for a pretty wide RPM range. That's something you'll feel when you're driving daily rather than just full throttle. Good work!
My typical answer to people when they ask "is this upgrade worth it?" is, if you're asking that question the answer is probably no. If you're not sure if spending 5k is worth the 100HP (or what ever) increase is worth it, its probably not to you. On the other hand its totally worth it if you want a car thats going to grab you by the pooper and give you a ride.
I went full APR Stage 2 on my 2016 Golf R manual in late 2017 after being on Stage 1 for nearly 2 years. According to the APR published numbers, I was at 354 crank HP and 379 crank TQ. With Stage 2, the numbers improved to 387 crank HP and 409 crank TQ. The improvement wasn't quite as dramatic as going from stock to Stage 1, but the difference was still considerable, meaning the car went from crazy fast to absolute bonkers. Definitely worth the cost!
You are the only person I could find with true Dyno graphs for stock, stage 1, and stage 2 overlayed on the same sheet. I was hesitant on going aftermarket DP, and was considering going straight to one of the new stock dp turbo upgrades from either APR or EQT. This has swayed me. Going stage 2 for a while first.
Great vid ! I have a Audi B5 RS4 with Wagner Intercoolers Milltek 3” full exhaust MRC remap Bosch 413 fuel pump Bilstein PSS9 coilovers H&R arbs ITG panel filter Running 490bhp and 517lbft torque. It’s a slippery slope modifying cars 😂 Love your golf R and the colour is wicked
We owned a beautiful Santorini Red B7 RS4 for 3 years until someone T-boned me at a junction. When I called my wife to tell her what had happened, and that I was in the ER but ok, she cried. - over the smashed up Audi HAHA. I'll tell you what though, that car was a frikken tank, and I'm glad I had that protection.
Charles. I have did an IS20 withe IE stage 3 tune with the DSG tune on my VW Alltrack. This is hands down the best tune money can buy. I am shocked just like you at the power. The shop that did it for me recomends the NGK racing spark plugs you state bellow only above 400 horsepower. The stock ones gapped at 0.026 work better for us under 400 horsepower and is more correct. IE states this gap on their site for all engine tunes. Love your channel. John
The United motor sport tune is fantastic. My clutch started slipping right away, but I put in a TTRS pressure plate w/ new OEM fly wheel and clutch disc. So great now
My Stage 1 tune remap with completely modified intake (filter to turbo muffler delete) made the exhaust sound throaty! +80 hp and +100 Nm torque - SEAT Leon Cupra
Awesome video! Thanks for outlining the total estimated cost. Really puts it all in perspective in regards to the financial burden of upgrading the power.
I would recommend anyone installing a stage 2, install a good catch can. Also another good upgrade is converting from the plastic sump to an alloy sump with cooling fins. They hold another 1.5QTS of oil, and drop the oil temp another 20F.
2:57 I drive a 3rd gen RX-7 and use the Golf R as a daily driver. I spend so much time working on the FD that my ears heard you say "A lot of them RX-7s". 😵💫
Good video. To your point, Charles, about how important this piece is, it solved knock under load on a MK7 GTI Stage 1 and A3 8V Stage 1 as well - no other parts added. It improves flow at the turbocharger significantly.
Got an IE turbo inlet for a customers car. Ported it and polished it. The stock inlet will now fit inside the IE pipe! Next restriction is the inlet of the turbo itself. You can see through the IE turbo inlet to a ridge of the turbo that is blocking some flow into it. Time to bust out the die grinder and get to work...
I went from stock to stage 2; Got a lovely 100hp awakening. -Eurodyne stg.2 and DSG -Racing line intake, turbo inlet pipe, and hose -CTS turboback (de-cat), engine, trans. Mount -034 torque insert I must say that it has been so much fun driving a over 400hp (crank) car. Debating if I should get the intercooler since I don't track my car and I don't use all of that hp as frequent as I would like. Great video.
Congrats Sir on stage 2 upgrades. I love my stage 2 on the Audi A3 (2015). It is enough to keep pace or better with the 95 percenters willing to run it:). I completed every upgrade that you have in your videos except I went with full Borla exhaust rather than only the downpipe. Next up is a Brake kit and carbon fiber hood.
Have fun spending your entire 'rona check on a "carbon fiber" hood while us money savey enthusiasts with some basic high school shop skills are doing burnouts and making turbo sounds with homemade kits for under $700.
Watching the premiere with you was awesome. I can’t wait to see the stage 2 driving videos. You should get a dragy so you can do some 0-60 and 1/4 mile runs.
Im considering getting one, and besides this upgrades I think I would add the sway bar like you suggested in your '5 must do mods' video, coilovers (lower it about 10mm) and blow off valve. Then some astetics like front lip, spoiler, side skirts and smoke windows VW symbols and tail lights (would be getting in black) Thank you so much for all your Golf R content, it rly is helping me in terms of deciding what car to get and what do do it indeed I go ahead with the Golf
Definitely one of the best channels on RUclips! Always informative, great video quality and audio quality, and just solid content! Solid numbers and I like that you compared them all. I haven't seen it or I missed it, but do you have a drugy or have you run at the drag strip to see your 0 to 60 and quarter mile time ?
I had a classic Scooby with about those power figures, for the roads here in the UK it was more than enough. If I were to be tracking the car then yes, I may have wanted more but it just felt so right at the figures. Glad you're pleased with the results, look forward to your future videos.
Just to give you a heads up, we just did a compression test. 2019 Golf R DSG Cylinder 1,3,4 came back at 185psi. Cylinder 2 came back 160psi. Not saying its blown, but we will put a scope in it soon.
The big difference between Stage 1 and 2 wasn't really the peak gains but how much power/torque was gained on the top end. Looking at your dyno charts it was a significant gain. Since I have a 6MT I probably won't go stage 2 until I need to replace my clutch. At that point tossing in a downpipe is hardly any extra work. Honestly I'll probably skip Stage 2 and go straight to Stage 3...
I had a similar interpretation of my 2019 Mini JCW. I had a stage 1 and then went to stage 2. Stage 1 (ecu tune only) is how the car should have been from the factory where the engine pulled pretty stout and strong. Stage 2 (High flow 200 cel downpipe, uprated inter-cooler and stage 2 ECU tune), ok, now it's showing a hint of gnarly beast in there some where. I can see why the factory wouldn't necessarily need to sell it this way.
Seems to me that stage 1 is plenty for daily road use, while stage 2 is more for someone who wants to track and do serious spirited driving, thus requiring better throttle response, better heat management etc.
Taking my GTI up to Chicago next week for an APR Stage 2 tune, and they told me labor on the downpipe was only $180. And labor on the software is $60, just FYI. Due to APR year end sales, hoping to keep cost for downpipe and software around $1500 (no DSG, keeping stock clutch). Already did the intake myself, so $1800-ish total fingers crossed.
I was able to pick up an APR TIP and CTS Turbo inlet hose plus APR turbo muffler delete and turbo outlet hose for under $200. So I snagged those for the low. With APR Stage 1 and DSG tunes, I should be good with adding those mods. Stock right now, just with the tune. I will pick up an intake later, torn between AMS, Eventuri, or Unitronic. But I will pick that later. Just want to make sure I'm good with the turbo inlet/outlet mods while stage 1 with no intake.
I have had APR Stage 2 for over 2 years - no issues. WHP and WHTQ as published on the APR website are much higher than those shown in this video but I don't know if APR's are overly optimistic or really that much higher.
At what RPM did does stage 2 really kick in? I hear it's 4.5 or 5k. So it makes the car feel slow daily driven unless your really open it up every time to feel the power. I like when it hits at 3-3.5 it makes the car more lively and fun to drive.
*** this is an old video, IE tune files can be done in the convenience of your home!!**** I went IE, for a off the shelf Stage 1 tune is a very good upgrade. The powerband is smooth and consistent across the room range to 7k redline. It passed emissions in the central states. It is not the most powerful tune, but it is a reliable safe nice upgrade tune with no glitches. It gave my car a few pop and bangs on the lower range of the rpm map. I already have a catted downpipe for stage 2 and will have to add a DSG tune to it, highly recommended by IE. With IE you can do the update at home, NO need to go to a performance shop.
Thanks for the list of detial. Learning so much useful things from your videos. So many tuning brand on the market. Apr, Cobb and others. Don't know which one is good for me.
@HumbleMechanic, got a question for you, on the IE website the stage 2 tune is advertised as 431 bhp and 466 btq for the 7.5R on 93 oct. fuel which should be around 380 whp and around 400 wtq which is imo kinda optimistic. Your numbers are a bit lower then the advertised so do you think your numbers are lower because of the beta file or is IE a little bit over advertising the numbers? I am asking because I am considering to go Stage 2 either with IE or Unitronic.
For people like us who work on our own cars $5k is alot. To me thats a 2.7T swap into my B5 Passat with $3.5k left over haha. But to someone who just bought a Golf R and doesnt work on their own vehicle I think $5k is not a bad deal for them.
you can mod the stock intake opening the right side , also changing the inlate hose. With the inlate pipe, turbo muffler delete and a KN sport filter in the factory box you have cooler air than with your setup. Also I wouldn't change the intercooler and downpipe, it isn't worth the money for something like 15-20 hp. After I would do the air mods i mentioned i would do a custom tuning at someone who really knows what he's doing, not that tuning from a distance crap and get the performance about half way your stage 1 and 2 , all under 1$(a little more with dsg tune). PS: in my country(Romania) a custon tuning is like 300-400Euros .
Love the videos, happy to have subscribed. I know this is taboo to ask because “if you’re worried about economy you shouldn’t be upgrading” well some do. Lol. I use my car as a commuter as well so my question is how much of a difference in economy have you noticed on highway driving? I’d love to get into some mods but with fuel prices sky rocketing where I’m from 110$ to fill this car adds up quick.
Great vid, i did to IE stg 2 93 octane on gen2 CDNC Audi and my consumption is now 5l higher as with stock map, and i have tried EV regime of driving 80/100/130kmh... did u see/had any problems with IE stg2, my car runs ok and u see gains clearly but +5l is bit too much.... now is 15L/100km, before was 10-10,5L/100km...
To be able to go stage 2 all that is truly required is the downpipe. Depending on your budget you can add everything else afterwards in the order you please
The reason these cars are tuned down is because the engineering goal is to tune out turbo lag. It is about a specific driving experience of the brand, not maximizing engine's potential. My mk7 felt great on the stock tune, but I wanted left foot braking....so stage 1. Now turbo lag is very noticeable, and then it drops off quickly at the top end. Stage 2 will fix most of that, but the clutch....my parts are on order!
4 wheel linked dyno required really , As for the frontpipe I would have gone for one with the cat further down the pipe as under bonnet temperatures will be higher, CHARLES what made you go with IE and not APR or racingline( if you have it in your country), good video for newbies , keep up the good work 👍
My battery died in my 2016 Volkswagen Jetta 2016 last night. Can I just replace it myself or is it best to have a professional do it in case it really needs to have things reset? I don’t know if that’s just BS or the truth.
8:44 I am so confused, my car does not show the gear it's in Sport or Drive. It only shows "D" or "S", or "M1" "M2" if I'm in "manual shift mode". Am I missing a setting to enable this? Sorry for commenting on an older video, but any help would be appreciated. I looked all over in my settings but I must be super blind.
@@HumbleMechanic That's understandable. I own the Hyundai i30N (european Veloster N) so now most other performance cars in that segment sound a bit boring to me :P The Golf R with aftermarket catback exhaust system sounds so good tho!
So many dumbasses out there rushing out to put a $1000-$2000 premade exhaust on their 26% interest rate credit cards when a sawzall from harbor freight is 30 bucks
At what point does any of these stages void Volkswagens factory power train warranty ? Do they see the soft ware update with the ECM when there techs hook up to it at a dealership ? Obviously the down pipe and other bolt one would be a red flag. Love the videos 🙌👍🏻
I'm planning to save and get a Golf R 2021. Are you going to get one and do some videos on it? Myself I want to do maybe stage 1 only and do some adds for my car. I want to use it as a daily driver only.
It seems that stage 2 is what the majority should consider as a daily driver. Push stage 3 would just "ruin" the daily drivability of the car, which some do not want to lose.
Do you think it would be bad for me to put a catless Downpipe before I tune the car? I also know that if I do I will be getting an engine light on. Do you think I should wait to tune the car first or should I put it on soon? I also want a louder sound
Very cool! I happened to be watching the turbo inlet pipe video as this one popped up. Not considering cost, is it a good idea for the average person (someone without your expertise to fix the car) to go Stage 2 when still under warranty? Mine is only a year old, and I don't plan on going past Stage 1, but you never know what itch might pop up in the next couple of years. I've also considered waiting until the car feels "stale", which is about 3 years into ownership, and then doing something big to make it feel new again. Thoughts? As always, thanks for the super helpful videos!
Hi Charles, I recently completed this mod and noticed some weird scoring or scratches in the mouth of the turbocharger inlet. At 5:14 in your video, you can see the same issue in your turbo. Any idea what that is and why it happens?
So we are stage 2 now. SUPER FUN! After IE has the stage 2 file 100% we will go back to the dyno. Also While not 100% needed, I think we are going to upgrade the spark plugs. IE recommends NGK R7437-9 at .024" gap. Those babies aren't cheap at ~ $40 each. :)
Is it 100% necessary to install spark plugs for a stage 2+ ?
@@yoyigu I've always heard it's "strongly suggested" to go at least a degree colder on your plugs with stage 2 or 2+
When I had my 6R flashed to Stage 2 (Unitronic), the tech said I should expect the car to get a little faster over the following month as the engine and ECU settle into the new tune. Have you heard this? I'd be curious what your dyno numbers are after about a month/1000+ miles.
Rockauto has those plugs for $28
Get the plugs from fcpeuro to use their lifetime warranty
I always explain it like this - Stage 1 wakes the car up from stock, Stage 2 unlocks the usable potential, Stage 3 and beyond pushes the car to (or beyond) its limits.
James that is a PERECT explanation
To a certain extent you are right but doesn’t apply to all applicants
@@El_Jefe_S3 fair enough. I'm speaking within the realm of VAG products.
That's a really good breakdown actually!
From an owner perspective, Stage 1 is nearly always the way the car should come come the factory, but for the manufacturer, hitting those fuel economy and emissions targets are what matters. Stage 2 is the sweet spot for an enthusiast and stage 3 is rarely suitable for an everyday driver, you go to stage 3 for no other reason than, you can.
Charles your hands down one of the best car RUclipsr’s in the business, your explanations, workmanship and videos are top notch!!! Always look forward to your videos 👍👌
Thank you so much for that. Means the world
Totally agree, best one out there. Tuned up cars when i was younger and now just getting back into it with my first build in years, working on stage one on my mk7r and your video have helped so much and a few laughs too
Charles don't just look at the peak numbers, the graph tells a great story in green. Your peak torque may be the same as stage 1 but look how much sooner it rises in green. Same for the horsepower, your powerband is stronger for a pretty wide RPM range. That's something you'll feel when you're driving daily rather than just full throttle. Good work!
Yes looking at the area under the curve is right, and it needs work between 3-4k rpm.
It's a little better. Not a lot better.
I've been stage 2 on my GTI for about 2 years now and I have to say, the car is an absolute blast to drive!
Just getting into this what tune did you use, not sure if I want to go IE or unitronic any feedback 🤔
My typical answer to people when they ask "is this upgrade worth it?" is, if you're asking that question the answer is probably no. If you're not sure if spending 5k is worth the 100HP (or what ever) increase is worth it, its probably not to you.
On the other hand its totally worth it if you want a car thats going to grab you by the pooper and give you a ride.
Power corrupts the man.....stay humble Charles 😂
Horsepower Corruption. Seems like a good T-shirt
@@HumbleMechanic CORRUPTED HORSES🐎🐎🐎
car gang😂😂😂
@@HumbleMechanic I think you may have a tshirt idea there
@@HumbleMechanic Were just glad you dont own a Mustang.. 😄 👍
Hahahha
I went full APR Stage 2 on my 2016 Golf R manual in late 2017 after being on Stage 1 for nearly 2 years. According to the APR published numbers, I was at 354 crank HP and 379 crank TQ. With Stage 2, the numbers improved to 387 crank HP and 409 crank TQ. The improvement wasn't quite as dramatic as going from stock to Stage 1, but the difference was still considerable, meaning the car went from crazy fast to absolute bonkers. Definitely worth the cost!
Im here for the beard
MultiNazi666 me too
You are the only person I could find with true Dyno graphs for stock, stage 1, and stage 2 overlayed on the same sheet. I was hesitant on going aftermarket DP, and was considering going straight to one of the new stock dp turbo upgrades from either APR or EQT. This has swayed me. Going stage 2 for a while first.
Awesome!!! Glad to help
I own a 2010 Ford Focus due to needing a family car. Why am I hooked to these videos haha
Genuinely love your honest videos, advice and guides. You have a beautiful car and that is so worth it! Keep up the great work Charles!
Thank you so much
Great vid ! I have a Audi B5 RS4 with
Wagner Intercoolers
Milltek 3” full exhaust
MRC remap
Bosch 413 fuel pump
Bilstein PSS9 coilovers
H&R arbs
ITG panel filter
Running 490bhp and 517lbft torque.
It’s a slippery slope modifying cars 😂
Love your golf R and the colour is wicked
carl lynch MRC! Great company
We owned a beautiful Santorini Red B7 RS4 for 3 years until someone T-boned me at a junction. When I called my wife to tell her what had happened, and that I was in the ER but ok, she cried. - over the smashed up Audi HAHA. I'll tell you what though, that car was a frikken tank, and I'm glad I had that protection.
I keep forgetting how good them engines are!! There good figures!
Charles. I have did an IS20 withe IE stage 3 tune with the DSG tune on my VW Alltrack. This is hands down the best tune money can buy. I am shocked just like you at the power. The shop that did it for me recomends the NGK racing spark plugs you state bellow only above 400 horsepower. The stock ones gapped at 0.026 work better for us under 400 horsepower and is more correct. IE states this gap on their site for all engine tunes. Love your channel. John
The United motor sport tune is fantastic. My clutch started slipping right away, but I put in a TTRS pressure plate w/ new OEM fly wheel and clutch disc. So great now
Nice!! I have UM on my R32. Probably going with their Haldex tune on the R
My Stage 1 tune remap with completely modified intake (filter to turbo muffler delete) made the exhaust sound throaty! +80 hp and +100 Nm torque - SEAT Leon Cupra
Awesome video! Thanks for outlining the total estimated cost. Really puts it all in perspective in regards to the financial burden of upgrading the power.
I would recommend anyone installing a stage 2, install a good catch can. Also another good upgrade is converting from the plastic sump to an alloy sump with cooling fins. They hold another 1.5QTS of oil, and drop the oil temp another 20F.
2:57 I drive a 3rd gen RX-7 and use the Golf R as a daily driver. I spend so much time working on the FD that my ears heard you say "A lot of them RX-7s". 😵💫
I want to know, who could ever give any of your videos a thumb down🤔? Awesome video, Thanks Again😁!!!
Thank you so much
Good video. To your point, Charles, about how important this piece is, it solved knock under load on a MK7 GTI Stage 1 and A3 8V Stage 1 as well - no other parts added. It improves flow at the turbocharger significantly.
so its worth adding to a Stage 1, in your opinion ?
@@JDDD33 I would say so. A known good product that will facilitate the increased airflow from the turbo is a good thing indeed.
Can't wait for the Stage 2 to be released to the public! Thanks for the help on the battery maintainer question the other day.
Non of these jobs are hard to do,says the master mechanic lol,the R is now a beast,great video as always.
Hahah not hard just takes time. Well the plastic clips on the dang cooler were pretty dumb. Ha
Got an IE turbo inlet for a customers car. Ported it and polished it. The stock inlet will now fit inside the IE pipe! Next restriction is the inlet of the turbo itself. You can see through the IE turbo inlet to a ridge of the turbo that is blocking some flow into it. Time to bust out the die grinder and get to work...
Stage-2 lasted me about a year before I wanted more...lets see how long it takes Charles;)
I went from stock to stage 2; Got a lovely 100hp awakening.
-Eurodyne stg.2 and DSG
-Racing line intake, turbo inlet pipe, and hose
-CTS turboback (de-cat), engine, trans. Mount
-034 torque insert
I must say that it has been so much fun driving a over 400hp (crank) car. Debating if I should get the intercooler since I don't track my car and I don't use all of that hp as frequent as I would like. Great video.
Performance turbo inlet and stage 1 tune looks like the best bang for buck.
Congrats Sir on stage 2 upgrades. I love my stage 2 on the Audi A3 (2015). It is enough to keep pace or better with the 95 percenters willing to run it:). I completed every upgrade that you have in your videos except I went with full Borla exhaust rather than only the downpipe. Next up is a Brake kit and carbon fiber hood.
Have fun spending your entire 'rona check on a "carbon fiber" hood while us money savey enthusiasts with some basic high school shop skills are doing burnouts and making turbo sounds with homemade kits for under $700.
Watching the premiere with you was awesome. I can’t wait to see the stage 2 driving videos. You should get a dragy so you can do some 0-60 and 1/4 mile runs.
That is a great Idea. My p3 has 0-60. I just don't like the idea of doing it on public roads and then posting on RUclips. HAHAHAH
HumbleMechanic yah that’s true the P3 is a good option. I think the dragy is still $140 on Amazon. You can always go to a closed course road 😬
HumbleMechanic you can always drive to Mexico. 😁
@@GermanEliteTuning as everybody do...NATURALLY...😎😎🤠🤠😱😱😂😂🤣🤣
Looking forward to watching you go to stage 3.
really appreciate how detailed you get 👌
Thank you!
I bought a Honda Civic Type R and I actually regret not buying a Golf R.Great car!!
The CTR is cool!!
Your instruction to change turbo is very good
Thank you
As always great video Charles very cool and quite helpful
Thank you
The BEST1
little weird with that angle ...... beard.....
Your context`s in USA is in the needs...
Please keep going!
new shop looks great congrat Charles
Amazing video man!!!! Keep up the good work! Can’t wait to do stage 2
Im considering getting one, and besides this upgrades I think I would add the sway bar like you suggested in your '5 must do mods' video, coilovers (lower it about 10mm) and blow off valve.
Then some astetics like front lip, spoiler, side skirts and smoke windows VW symbols and tail lights (would be getting in black)
Thank you so much for all your Golf R content, it rly is helping me in terms of deciding what car to get and what do do it indeed I go ahead with the Golf
I just installed a full revo cold air intake and I really like how they did their turbo inlet. Looks like it flows even better than this IE one
Definitely one of the best channels on RUclips! Always informative, great video quality and audio quality, and just solid content!
Solid numbers and I like that you compared them all. I haven't seen it or I missed it, but do you have a drugy or have you run at the drag strip to see your 0 to 60 and quarter mile time ?
I appreciate the video bro! Just installed my 034 Motorsport Turbo Inlet on my MK7 GLI. Used your video for reference. Much help!
I had a classic Scooby with about those power figures, for the roads here in the UK it was more than enough. If I were to be tracking the car then yes, I may have wanted more but it just felt so right at the figures.
Glad you're pleased with the results, look forward to your future videos.
Just to give you a heads up, we just did a compression test.
2019 Golf R DSG
Cylinder 1,3,4 came back at 185psi.
Cylinder 2 came back 160psi.
Not saying its blown, but we will put a scope in it soon.
Hopefully head gasket like when my car lost compression in 4 and 6
@@britishav8tor75 yes Im FBO/Full E85.
Im not worried, i have been expecting this to eventually happen.
@@whydoihave6neutrals772 would be cool, ill keep you updated.
Some One good luck hope it’s that and not your whole block! Good luck!
@@whydoihave6neutrals772 fingers crossed
I'm trying to get to where u are but on my audi s3, still have a way to go but enjoy watching ur videos. Keep it up!
Nice!!!! The s3 is rad
The big difference between Stage 1 and 2 wasn't really the peak gains but how much power/torque was gained on the top end. Looking at your dyno charts it was a significant gain. Since I have a 6MT I probably won't go stage 2 until I need to replace my clutch. At that point tossing in a downpipe is hardly any extra work. Honestly I'll probably skip Stage 2 and go straight to Stage 3...
I had a similar interpretation of my 2019 Mini JCW. I had a stage 1 and then went to stage 2. Stage 1 (ecu tune only) is how the car should have been from the factory where the engine pulled pretty stout and strong. Stage 2 (High flow 200 cel downpipe, uprated inter-cooler and stage 2 ECU tune), ok, now it's showing a hint of gnarly beast in there some where. I can see why the factory wouldn't necessarily need to sell it this way.
I really appreciate your videos...thanks for sharing your knowledge👍👌
Seems to me that stage 1 is plenty for daily road use, while stage 2 is more for someone who wants to track and do serious spirited driving, thus requiring better throttle response, better heat management etc.
Great info on expectations on these mods. Maybe in the near future ill be doing these upgrades but as of right now, im just enjoying the car.
Im glad i ran into you! Looking to get the newer gold r and god damn you stamped it for me! Lets go!! New sub! Keep going buddy!
Love your videos bro.
By far the best DIY instruction video on how to install a turbo inlet pipe for the mk7/mqb platform. Glad you got a mk7 golf
thank you
Love your channel HM!
Love your videos keep up the hard work
Thank you so much!!!
Taking my GTI up to Chicago next week for an APR Stage 2 tune, and they told me labor on the downpipe was only $180. And labor on the software is $60, just FYI. Due to APR year end sales, hoping to keep cost for downpipe and software around $1500 (no DSG, keeping stock clutch). Already did the intake myself, so $1800-ish total fingers crossed.
LOL - I don't have an R so I didn't know about Dyno Mode - that shot on the dyno was trippin' me out!
Lol it’s the most common comment
I was able to pick up an APR TIP and CTS Turbo inlet hose plus APR turbo muffler delete and turbo outlet hose for under $200. So I snagged those for the low. With APR Stage 1 and DSG tunes, I should be good with adding those mods. Stock right now, just with the tune. I will pick up an intake later, torn between AMS, Eventuri, or Unitronic. But I will pick that later. Just want to make sure I'm good with the turbo inlet/outlet mods while stage 1 with no intake.
Great video. Great explanation of the costs. I think I would stoop at Stage 1😄
That’s a great bang for the buck.
Thanks for sharing
Me, after a year with Integrated Engineering and finally switching away from it, was the best decision i ever made, also my turbo thinks that way
Tell me more.
Loved the video man, really informative 👍🏻
Great video looking forward to the next update on stage 2
Great job Charles. Thinking about installing an APR Stage 2 on my Golf R. 👍😉
I have had APR Stage 2 for over 2 years - no issues. WHP and WHTQ as published on the APR website are much higher than those shown in this video but I don't know if APR's are overly optimistic or really that much higher.
Very informative. Great video.
Really well done video. Thank you
My Mk7 R Variant is APR stage 2 and it did 360hp and 520nm (dynojet) without upgraded intercooler and with stock sparkplugs
At what RPM did does stage 2 really kick in? I hear it's 4.5 or 5k. So it makes the car feel slow daily driven unless your really open it up every time to feel the power. I like when it hits at 3-3.5 it makes the car more lively and fun to drive.
*** this is an old video, IE tune files can be done in the convenience of your home!!****
I went IE, for a off the shelf Stage 1 tune is a very good upgrade. The powerband is smooth and consistent across the room range to 7k redline.
It passed emissions in the central states.
It is not the most powerful tune, but it is a reliable safe nice upgrade tune with no glitches.
It gave my car a few pop and bangs on the lower range of the rpm map. I already have a catted downpipe for stage 2 and will have to add a DSG tune to it, highly recommended by IE.
With IE you can do the update at home, NO need to go to a performance shop.
Heaps of useful info 👍🏿 thanks for sharing.
Thanks for the list of detial. Learning so much useful things from your videos. So many tuning brand on the market. Apr, Cobb and others. Don't know which one is good for me.
The big names do a pretty great job. Look to who may have the best local support
Yes it’s all good as long as parts are made to with stand the added stress . My only concern . Interested in your verbal hp and torque # s
@HumbleMechanic, got a question for you, on the IE website the stage 2 tune is advertised as 431 bhp and 466 btq for the 7.5R on 93 oct. fuel which should be around 380 whp and around 400 wtq which is imo kinda optimistic.
Your numbers are a bit lower then the advertised so do you think your numbers are lower because of the beta file or is IE a little bit over advertising the numbers? I am asking because I am considering to go Stage 2 either with IE or Unitronic.
Nice car bro. I have a audi s3, hopefully I can start doing some mods next month 🙏🙏🙏 keep it up!
Nothing beats a VW7 R HGP 3.6 BiTurbo 2019 😂
also incase anyone is wondering the cts turbo inlet pipe does in fact fit a stock intake and the IE one does too
For people like us who work on our own cars $5k is alot. To me thats a 2.7T swap into my B5 Passat with $3.5k left over haha. But to someone who just bought a Golf R and doesnt work on their own vehicle I think $5k is not a bad deal for them.
you can mod the stock intake opening the right side , also changing the inlate hose. With the inlate pipe, turbo muffler delete and a KN sport filter in the factory box you have cooler air than with your setup. Also I wouldn't change the intercooler and downpipe, it isn't worth the money for something like 15-20 hp. After I would do the air mods i mentioned i would do a custom tuning at someone who really knows what he's doing, not that tuning from a distance crap and get the performance about half way your stage 1 and 2 , all under 1$(a little more with dsg tune). PS: in my country(Romania) a custon tuning is like 300-400Euros .
Why not take the crackle tune?
Love the videos, happy to have subscribed. I know this is taboo to ask because “if you’re worried about economy you shouldn’t be upgrading” well some do. Lol. I use my car as a commuter as well so my question is how much of a difference in economy have you noticed on highway driving? I’d love to get into some mods but with fuel prices sky rocketing where I’m from 110$ to fill this car adds up quick.
Great vid, i did to IE stg 2 93 octane on gen2 CDNC Audi and my consumption is now 5l higher as with stock map, and i have tried EV regime of driving 80/100/130kmh... did u see/had any problems with IE stg2, my car runs ok and u see gains clearly but +5l is bit too much.... now is 15L/100km, before was 10-10,5L/100km...
Just a quick question, all the videos for stage 2 upgrades plus software is pretty much what you need to run it on the golf r right ?
Yes
To be able to go stage 2 all that is truly required is the downpipe. Depending on your budget you can add everything else afterwards in the order you please
The reason these cars are tuned down is because the engineering goal is to tune out turbo lag. It is about a specific driving experience of the brand, not maximizing engine's potential. My mk7 felt great on the stock tune, but I wanted left foot braking....so stage 1. Now turbo lag is very noticeable, and then it drops off quickly at the top end. Stage 2 will fix most of that, but the clutch....my parts are on order!
Awesome, just found out they also have muffler deletes for the previous models as well lol! ( MK6, & Audi A3)
I love this channel
I absolutely love my 16 GSW but I'm currently using it for my morning job as a courier and mpg is all that matters for the moment.
You are not going to get much worse mpg with the stage 2 tune on GSW, especially if you won't floor it all the time.
4 wheel linked dyno required really , As for the frontpipe I would have gone for one with the cat further down the pipe as under bonnet temperatures will be higher, CHARLES what made you go with IE and not APR or racingline( if you have it in your country), good video for newbies , keep up the good work 👍
You also should consider suspension mods, sway bar, engine mounts and possibly springs or coil overs
My battery died in my 2016 Volkswagen Jetta 2016 last night. Can I just replace it myself or is it best to have a professional do it in case it really needs to have things reset? I don’t know if that’s just BS or the truth.
$5,000 ain’t too bad can’t wait for when i get my golf r
Charles you are my favorite VW person and produce the best content on RUclips for us VW fans. But can you do a beard video please? lol
Haha beard video you’re say? 😜
Would be very interested in seeing you do a Pedal Commander install, or alternatively your thoughts on why it might not be a good idea.
I did the Pedal Commander and its probably the most fun mod you can do. Also so is the rear sway bar. Of course initial Stage 1 upgrade is great too.
8:44 I am so confused, my car does not show the gear it's in Sport or Drive. It only shows "D" or "S", or "M1" "M2" if I'm in "manual shift mode". Am I missing a setting to enable this? Sorry for commenting on an older video, but any help would be appreciated. I looked all over in my settings but I must be super blind.
Awesome vid. As always! Exhaust upgrade next? 😁
I’m probably keeping it like it is. I don’t want it to be loud
@@HumbleMechanic That's understandable. I own the Hyundai i30N (european Veloster N) so now most other performance cars in that segment sound a bit boring to me :P The Golf R with aftermarket catback exhaust system sounds so good tho!
So many dumbasses out there rushing out to put a $1000-$2000 premade exhaust on their 26% interest rate credit cards when a sawzall from harbor freight is 30 bucks
At what point does any of these stages void Volkswagens factory power train warranty ? Do they see the soft ware update with the ECM when there techs hook up to it at a dealership ? Obviously the down pipe and other bolt one would be a red flag. Love the videos 🙌👍🏻
I'm planning to save and get a Golf R 2021. Are you going to get one and do some videos on it? Myself I want to do maybe stage 1 only and do some adds for my car. I want to use it as a daily driver only.
It seems that stage 2 is what the majority should consider as a daily driver. Push stage 3 would just "ruin" the daily drivability of the car, which some do not want to lose.
I think stage 1 is best for “most” people especially daily driven cars.
Do you think it would be bad for me to put a catless Downpipe before I tune the car? I also know that if I do I will be getting an engine light on. Do you think I should wait to tune the car first or should I put it on soon? I also want a louder sound
Very cool! I happened to be watching the turbo inlet pipe video as this one popped up. Not considering cost, is it a good idea for the average person (someone without your expertise to fix the car) to go Stage 2 when still under warranty? Mine is only a year old, and I don't plan on going past Stage 1, but you never know what itch might pop up in the next couple of years. I've also considered waiting until the car feels "stale", which is about 3 years into ownership, and then doing something big to make it feel new again. Thoughts?
As always, thanks for the super helpful videos!
Hi Charles, I recently completed this mod and noticed some weird scoring or scratches in the mouth of the turbocharger inlet. At 5:14 in your video, you can see the same issue in your turbo. Any idea what that is and why it happens?