As a white dude with long hair, that’s all you really need to be called “Jesus” in some way. I dress up on Easter every year as him though so I guess I play into it
@@rundownthriftstore I was Weed Jesus at my previous two jobs. I never turned down anyone asking for a toke. And I never ran out of weed. At least, they never saw me run out. More recently I have been compared to a Hungarian werewolf. Weed Jesus, the Hungarian Werewolf.
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And there I was the other night, laying down my bed, thinking to myself: "This is going to be a perfect, pre bed time listen", only to find myself staring at the ceiling, contemplating existence.
I know i’m late to this, but yeah holy shit. I woke up at 5:00 am to youtube autoplaying this stream. I was like “oh word, i could relax and catch some sleep with this mr beat vod playing in the background”. Then immediately the viewer death question comes up, and i hear Sheis description. Now i’m just a changed man who has accepted death and understands the universe LMAO. gonna be thinking about this during my hour drive to work today
Such massive props to you Mr. Beat for calling out the idea of "cancel culture" and people being so sensitive etc. I completely agree with you, that overall it's the opposite IMHO. The America I grew up in as a big city conservative (which was even more the case with a small town version) was far more sensitive and focused on cancelling people. All you had to do to be "cancelled" was use a curse word or not conform completely to your areas flavor of conservative Christianity lol. I mean the crusaded against games and music based off of the littlest bits of violent or sexual content. We've always had cancel culture, it was actually far worse in the past. I mean the scarlet letter was published in 1850 about cancel culture! It's not new lol. I find it so hilarious when people selectively forget all that. I'm confident the motivation for the alleged claim of sudden cancel culture is mostly the people voicing it are now facing "their" specific choices being now targeted to be cancelled. It wasn't a problem when everyone ELSE was cancelled for being different than you, but now that your views are cancelled it's suddenly a massive epidemic! To me this is analogous to the perspective of the different drug crisis eras. When it was poor black people suffering drug issues we needed a "war on drugs" and a demonization of people tied to that. When it was broader white people it became an "opioid crisis" instead and all about helping those poor people. Broad conservative mostly white American views are now being cancelled and suddenly cancel culture is bad... when anything not white conservative Christian was cancelled (say like calling D&D, magic the gathering etc demonic evil games lol) it was fine and not cancel culture. Love both your channels btw.
I'm going to call your statement 'genius', but mostly because I'm biased and have been saying the same thing for a few years now (since the current wave of it started). Thanks for smartly elucidating the points!
some more news has a good video breaking down how cancle culture for people with power really doesn't exist at all and how the narrative is useful to them. all of the most visible people complaining about being canceled are being paid to do so on large platforms.
What you say is true to a point but not quite the same thing as what people mean about sensitivity today. Today we are far more politically correct and intolerant of anyone who isn't. If you weren't alive and conscious of things in the 1980's and 70's and even earlier you may not see that. It has gotten way out of hand especially the last 10-20 years.
@@SWLinPHX Honestly I respectfully disagree. At least what I've been told by previous generations in conservative upbringings like mine it's been cancel culture to the extreme since well forever. Go back 50 years ago and you could be cancelled for far more things than now, 50 years before that even more, 50 years before that far more than that. There are bubbles of exceptions of course but the further you go back the more "Scarlet letter" society gets over countless things. The people who were canceled didn't have a platform, now they do with social media and the tables have turned. People are getting "canceled" for a variety of things now not just conservative ideas.
@@M4ttNet There's a reason "cancel culture" wasn't even a phrase until the last few years. And as I had guessed, you weren't around back then which explains your statement. But of course you can ask anyone who was (not just me). There is no disagreement things are far more politically correct today, for both better and worse.
No, no, no, I personally love the dad jokes. Love to see two of my favorite creators collab together. Might I even dare suggest, this was better than episode 1. Maybe Cynical Historian sometime soon?
Would you consider interviewing Knowing Better in a similar fashion? I might only be speaking for myself, but I think that would be an interesting conversation.
I very much agree with Atun-Shei's initial brief talk on judging people of the past. You can and should do so, but when you do it, you need to look at them within the context of their times. They weren't one-dimensional Saturday morning cartoon villains who "chose evil" just for the sake of being evulz. This isn't a justification of what they did, it's saying "I do not approve. I understand".
I overall agree, but I also think there is an over-willingness to give a pass on things that were, indeed, thought poorly of, AT THE TIME. Many, many people thought slavery was horrific in the time of our founding. Many of those who HELD SLAVES thought it was a terrible idea. They just...kept them, because doing the right thing (even as they understood it AT THE TIME) was financially unappealing.
@@cynicallydepressed1 I get that. Aside from the actual slaves themselves, there were obviously abolitionists at the time who abhorred slavery (some even once or always being slave owners ourselves, like some of the Founding Fathers). The point I'm making is simply to understand where the people were coming from, if nothing else. It doesn't mean what they did was any less wrong, or even necessarily mean "cut them some slack" (although it could, depending on the person/case). For a more recent example: plenty of children during the 2000s (myself included) casually used homophobic slurs as insults. Was it just as wrong then as it is now? 100%, absolutely, positively, yes. But did we do it because we woke up every morning thinking about how to be awful, as if we were one-dimensionally evil people? Well, no, we were just stupid kids who grew up in a culture where homophobia was basically the law of the land (and luckily we wisened up and grew out of that homophobia; some of us anyway).
@@dr_drago, your example precisely proves my point...(and I sincerely don't want typed words to seem harsher than if we were sitting at a table, cordially sipping drinks). You didn't think of it, so didn't consciously yet 'know better'. Once you DID, you corrected your behavior. The founders and those after them largely DID KNOW they were wrong. They DID wake up every morning and decide, each day, to continue being monsters that held other humans in bondage. Many of them contrived lame excuses to make themselves and others feel slightly less worse about doing so. They used the bible they used economics, they used anything they could to give cover to their continued sin, because they thoughtfully KNEW it was wrong and wanted to continue. I used gay slurs too, when I was 10-12 years old in the early to mid 80s. Then I got into high school and realized some of my classmates actually WERE gay. Using their existence, their humanity, against them or others as an insult was then reprehensible to me, so I stopped, and I tried to even discourage others to think about it and stop as well (with very mixed results). So I get it, and I imagine the same thing happened to you in your journey. But we 'grew' as humans and changed our paths. These folks were already adults, already knew it was wrong, inwardly and with others telling them, and just overtly decided to keep doing it. I give them no quarter for that. That's just me, perhaps, but it is DEFINITELY me, for certain.
“and I sincerely don't want typed words to seem harsher than if we were sitting at a table, cordially sipping drinks” Before we go any further let me stop you right there. Are you saying you perceive a reason (whatever it is, b/c it’s beyond me) to address me in a less-than-civilized manner? I’d love to just have a nice, casual conversation too; I didn’t see any reason for us to be at each other’s throats. But if you’re holding back the urge to escalate it with harsh language, then go right on ahead and drop all pretenses of civility. I have a ton of better things to do than engage in a RUclips flame war.
@@dr_drago, no, just the opposite...I (unfortunately?) write a LOT for work, and I cannot tell you the number of emails that come across where people in a group grossly misunderstand each other or take things WAY out of context. So I wanted to make sure I wasn't coming across AS 'harsh', when I'm truly looking for the exact amiable conversation. (Usually, though, about three responses in, there is a good chance somebody misinterprets what I mean, even though I try to write very clearly to avoid just that happening.) So I was saying that I DON'T want you to believe that my responses were meant in anything OTHER THAN a civil tone (which, again, can sometimes be 'lost' when typed out and then read, without the tonal inflections one can give in person, across a table). For some weird reason, a LOT of people on the interwebs think if a 'conversation' goes more than a couple of responses back and forth, there must be some increasing hostility. It is also beyond me...but I (clearly) cannot control what others think. No hostility on my part...I am enjoying our conversation very much. (I just wanted to make sure you weren't getting any sense of hostility from me, because...again...it seems to happen purely by responding, which...why have comments if nobody is going to respond, right? Head-shaker...)
21:30 That is the biggest thing for pretty much all of us, even (and especially) those of us who believe in an eternal afterlife- the concept of "forever" is simply beyond human understanding, and I quite literally get frozen when I think too hard on the concept of "eternity". Even knowing what that eternity is supposed to be, its impossible to reconcile human understanding of eternity as a legit thing. The more... blindly faithful.... will say that it isn't something we should think about or question because it's perfect and happy and all that, but I think that it's good for humans to question things. That's what got our species this far.
Love both channels. I really appreciate Atun-Shei's video about the Great Yankee Nation. That subculture is kind of forgotten and ignored now, but it has been immensely influential in American history. The video on the Puritans, which is obviously related, was a fantastic 'prequel' to that video about the Yankees.
I think maybe doing some small channels or one you don’t know too familiar would be cool too. Just a thought but love these 10 questions. Look forward to it as a series
26:15 I think that the Compromise of 1877 should have been the other way around. Instead of electing Rutherford B. Hayes president and withdrawing federal troops from the South, it would have in the long run been a much better idea to elect Tilden president and keep the troops in. The Compromise of 1877, in our timeline, is one of the most negatively consequential actions by the United States federal government in its history.
The King Phillips War Debate is what I was saying at the end of the stream between Metacomet of the Wampanoag Vs. Captain Samuel Mosely of Boston. That would make a great video since Atun made great debate Videos along with his King Phillip's War stream I also would like to see a video about the Colonization of VIrginia when he covered the film The New World (2005).
@@iammrbeat Yea well I think though Atun-Shei should continue something like this or just focus on the 17th century colonial American history even perhaps the Six Generations Indian War which was the conflict between the Indians of the Northwest Territories against the Europeans and later Americans who were pushing past the boundaries of the Appalachian mountains in the Ohio Valley.
I mean this in a non-ironic way, I’d totally love to do one of these videos with you sometime. Also a new mr beat ytp is coming out on my channel in the next week!
Atun-Shei had really great questions for you. Love the series! I think it could work very well in podcast form; without the chat, it'd probably hit that sweetspot for the usual long podcast episode. Speaking of which, what happened to Jobsolete? 😜
I wonder if you will interview VTH before President's Day? Also, if you do interview Cypher, then someone has to ask someone about Woodrow *WILLSSSOOOOOOONNN!!!!!*
Hey Mr. Beat and Atun-Shei! I deeply appreciate your content and how you try to present your content from a common ground that even the people you may disagree with are able to stand on and comprehend. I am Fundamentalist Christian who, like you, is also concerned about the rise of "Radical" National Evangelical Christianity. The only difference in the concern is for you it's about how it influences the direction of the nation for me it is a concern about how it influences the Church in this nation as well as how it influences the nation directly. I'm curious if you might be willing to try to get ahold of Mike Winger who is also here on RUclips and try to have a conversation with Him about trends and movements within the overall Church in this country and how those are influencing my generation?
Ah yes, the second Emperor of America, the Grand Duke of New Orleans, His Imperial Highness Atun Shei 🤴 (I only write this comment because of the video's thumb 😜)
Hey! I'm a fan of the channel (both actually). So I'm just wondering: where does the idea that youtube leans right come from? I'm not necessarily arguing as I only have my own experience but it seems to me to be quite left-leaning (as in centre-left, not far left). Aren't the majority of RUclips's most mainstream creators somewhat left of centre?
Not most of their historical channels, I can assure you. Beat is center-right, Vlogging Through History is further right-center-right, and whatifalthis is pretty far right compared to them. Some you just don't know because of how they present, it seems very straight down the center, or they don't really inject ANY personal comments that might give it away (say. TimeGhostHistory). Obviously I haven't watched EVERY channel on this stuff (yet), but those are my impressions. For clarity, I'm center-independent that used to vote 90% GOP. To give you where I'm coming from in terms of defining these channels.
When Atun talked about how he learned about the Civil War it got me thinking of my own experience learning about it growing up. Especially since he explicitly mentioned my home state of Texas. Now this may just be because of the area in Texas where I grew up, but I remember they told us that the main cause of the Civil War was slavery and didn't expand upon much more than that. It wasn't until I saw certain articles and other material online that I first came upon the argument that the Civil War wasn't about slavery.
1:13:00 We like to think we are all only motivated by the facts and sound logic alone, but when we emotionally invest in something, it may take longer than that. Although Philosophy Tube and Atun Shei films are pretty different channels, I think the power to change minds is also influenced by appealing to emotions, which both channels do very well through theatrical means, even if it's quite different theatrical means. It's propaganda, I suppose, I mean that in the most complimentary way possible (it is very good propaganda)-- because even though I am aware of the intentions, it works anyways.
I grew up in a suburb in the nw of Houston and in middle school my 8th grade history teacher made states rights the PRIMARY causal agent. in the 4th grade I had a black teacher and she made sure that slavery was the primary cause. I ended up moving to the country after middle school and in the 11th grade I had a very interesting and blunt history teacher that didn't mince words about confederate apologist talking points that spread in Texas schooling lol. I even blurted out a myth or two from 8th grade and he came back with the facts. when I thought about it it made me scratch my head how Houston suburban education was less truthful than my country education on civil war and post civil war history lol
I'm from the UK, O level (age 14 - 16) history, Soviet Union is to blame for the cold war! Western Europe and America innocent victims! Got to sixth form, so 16 - 18, A level history. Yeah, cold war, it's a little more complicated than that. This was in the late 70's, the American civil war wasn't even mentioned.
could you please do a video about what if the entire country of canada became the 51st state of the union. how would canada rank amongst the other states? population? gdp? so on and so forth. and then perhaps mexico too?
29:35 as someone who went to Texas schools, my teachers told me it was about Slavery, our curriculum told us it was about states rights. Most of us know it was about slavery, but there are some hillbilly types who literally wear the rebel battle flag who claim it was about states right As John Green said, "A state's right to what, sir?"
I like Beat’s video where he made the point where unlike today the Confederate battle flag wasn’t originally made to offend people during the Civil War. It was more like after the war when the Lost Cause and the KKK started to rise and sort of gave the South a bad rap which in my opinion damaged the reconciliation process that Lincoln had actually pushed for in the last days of the Civil War
Respect Mr. Beat for saying he’d probably have been neutral in the American Revolution. I teach 8th grade US History, and was surprised that when I surveyed my students, about half of them said they would have been neutral.
New to both of you, and enjoying listening to the two of you and J.J. Intelligent conversation is so hard to find! I know I’m late to this, but Atun-Shei, are you SCA? Or a Civil War re-enactor?
I really wish people would hold super chats untill the end lol... like how the hell do you know that question isn't going to get covered just have a QnA at the end
we need a triple threat title match between you, atun shei, and cynical historian. he was the mutual friend between you two, he should've been in on this. three people is a bit much for the format, I get it, but it would be a video for the ages
3:02:33 I am *NOT* a part of that demographic, I guess this is a sign that I have to meet up with him soon 👀👀👀 (...even though I don't even live in America(!!) 🤪 ...I'll find a way somehow!🤪)
After watching Chris from Vlogging Through History, I am convinced that the South seceded because of slavery but the actual fighting in the Civil War was for all sorts of various reasons both personal and other reasons
I like your commentary that people these days aren't easily offended really. They can be disgusted, but that's another feeling entirely. I grew up saying edgelord crap, I spent my time on 4chan, used to be into the RUclips atheist scene with people who were up in the "PC" face, even flirted with MRA. But with the help of friends who called me out on my BS, and a growing sense of compassion and empathy, I stopped that. These days with the "U TRIGGURED LIBURAL??" type of BS, I get disgusted or even aggravated, but offended? Hells no. They do things like strawman left leaning ideas or say something homophobic or transphobic and all I can think of these people is "You are such basic bitches you don't even know."
Vlogging TH would be interesting with Atun-Shei because he has done response videos that bag on him pretty hard. He is a little further right than Beat (let alone A-S). Should be good conversation.
its very interesting from an european, german point the discussion about covid and the thign with the federal / local mandates. I mean germay IS an federal state, much more than I think any of our neigbour countrys. But here everyone screams non local but country wide rules. Even the anti-covid people want it to be endend on a federal base, and we here speak of a 'chaotic' status of the gouverment because the local rules are just seen as 'bad'. I realy know many strange or different opinons in the german covid discussion here, but I have nothing seen about the thing that it should be local instead of central federal gouverment rules. Very interesting this different perspective in the U.S.
1:24:00 I think it’s a little naive to assume the plumber or carpenter does their job correctly. Everyone makes mistakes even people with 40 years of experience. It’s at least something to consider
You think Arkansas feels like the past? Having lived in the UK and New York state and moved to New Mexico I feel like I've moved back to the 70s too... the AD 70s... OK, slight exaggeration maybe.
Oh I don't doubt that certain parts of Arkansas are advanced, I just question how much of New Mexico is. I mean, according to studies I've seen we're: 50th worst for education 3rd highest in terms of poverty 47th worst for crime 45th worst for infrastructure 49th worst for opportunity 44th worst for overall economy I mean, our best stat seems to be medical system where we're 33rd worst. Like I said, moving here did feel like moving back to the 70s, as you described moving to Arkansas... but not the 1970s, the AD 70s.
Mr. Beat, do you know if anyone else has posted 1,000 comments your channel. Since this is your channel, do you know who posts the most comments on your channel?
Thanks to that theologic question now every time I think about heaven I'm just going to think about one day we're all going to be Q from Star Trek bored f***ing with John Luke.
This was very fun and interesting to listen to!
Well glad you dug it. Any excuse to talk to fellow EduTubers. Speaking of which...
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History Jesus getting Interviewed by Every Tech startup CEO. Neat!
lol haven't heard that one about me yet
As a white dude with long hair, that’s all you really need to be called “Jesus” in some way. I dress up on Easter every year as him though so I guess I play into it
@@rundownthriftstore I was Weed Jesus at my previous two jobs.
I never turned down anyone asking for a toke. And I never ran out of weed. At least, they never saw me run out.
More recently I have been compared to a Hungarian werewolf.
Weed Jesus, the Hungarian Werewolf.
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@@matthiasnagorski8411 Degenerate
My two favorite History RUclipsrs all in one, I didn't realize you two knew each other until I saw comment on his channel
Aw well thanks so much!
BRO, YOU FORGOT ONE THING....THEY ARE *OUR* FAVOURITE HISTORY RUclipsRS!
@@revolutionaryape7568 we share the means of production and admiration!
@@seandawson5899 Yeah! Apes of the World Unite! Long Live Democratic Ape Revolution!
Long Live Libertarian Marxism!
atun shei is one of the most creative people on RUclips, I've spent hours watch checkmate lincolnites and the witchfinder general, frozen 50s man.
"Frozen 50's man" is a personal fave! Eagerly waiting for the next episodes!
Indeed, he continues to inspire me!
@@night6724 like the sun king would know!
Man, atun shei's description of the dog dieing was pretty heavy
Good stream! Thanks to both of you
It was trippy. haha
And there I was the other night, laying down my bed, thinking to myself: "This is going to be a perfect, pre bed time listen", only to find myself staring at the ceiling, contemplating existence.
I know i’m late to this, but yeah holy shit. I woke up at 5:00 am to youtube autoplaying this stream. I was like “oh word, i could relax and catch some sleep with this mr beat vod playing in the background”. Then immediately the viewer death question comes up, and i hear Sheis description. Now i’m just a changed man who has accepted death and understands the universe LMAO. gonna be thinking about this during my hour drive to work today
Part one of this series caused me to fall down the rabbit hole of Canadian politics through JJ's channel. Much appreciated.
I finally caught up with this Video! My two favorite RUclips-ers together, Way Cool!
I could listen to either of you guys all day.
Thanks!
Love all your videos Mr. Beat. Very insightful video! Now to binge watch all of Atun Shei.....
Thank you and awesome!
You two understand that there is a difference between catering to your audience and pandering to them. Keep it up.
Yes podcast please. I and many others would love that. Cypher next?
Sure and of course I gotta do this with Cypher at some point
@@iammrbeat keep him in check though, he tends to want to take the reigns and run with the convo lol
@@iammrbeat perhaps Knowing Better or Kraut as well? They are very interesting content creators.
Such massive props to you Mr. Beat for calling out the idea of "cancel culture" and people being so sensitive etc. I completely agree with you, that overall it's the opposite IMHO. The America I grew up in as a big city conservative (which was even more the case with a small town version) was far more sensitive and focused on cancelling people. All you had to do to be "cancelled" was use a curse word or not conform completely to your areas flavor of conservative Christianity lol. I mean the crusaded against games and music based off of the littlest bits of violent or sexual content. We've always had cancel culture, it was actually far worse in the past. I mean the scarlet letter was published in 1850 about cancel culture! It's not new lol. I find it so hilarious when people selectively forget all that. I'm confident the motivation for the alleged claim of sudden cancel culture is mostly the people voicing it are now facing "their" specific choices being now targeted to be cancelled. It wasn't a problem when everyone ELSE was cancelled for being different than you, but now that your views are cancelled it's suddenly a massive epidemic!
To me this is analogous to the perspective of the different drug crisis eras. When it was poor black people suffering drug issues we needed a "war on drugs" and a demonization of people tied to that. When it was broader white people it became an "opioid crisis" instead and all about helping those poor people. Broad conservative mostly white American views are now being cancelled and suddenly cancel culture is bad... when anything not white conservative Christian was cancelled (say like calling D&D, magic the gathering etc demonic evil games lol) it was fine and not cancel culture.
Love both your channels btw.
I'm going to call your statement 'genius', but mostly because I'm biased and have been saying the same thing for a few years now (since the current wave of it started).
Thanks for smartly elucidating the points!
some more news has a good video breaking down how cancle culture for people with power really doesn't exist at all and how the narrative is useful to them. all of the most visible people complaining about being canceled are being paid to do so on large platforms.
What you say is true to a point but not quite the same thing as what people mean about sensitivity today. Today we are far more politically correct and intolerant of anyone who isn't. If you weren't alive and conscious of things in the 1980's and 70's and even earlier you may not see that. It has gotten way out of hand especially the last 10-20 years.
@@SWLinPHX Honestly I respectfully disagree. At least what I've been told by previous generations in conservative upbringings like mine it's been cancel culture to the extreme since well forever. Go back 50 years ago and you could be cancelled for far more things than now, 50 years before that even more, 50 years before that far more than that. There are bubbles of exceptions of course but the further you go back the more "Scarlet letter" society gets over countless things. The people who were canceled didn't have a platform, now they do with social media and the tables have turned. People are getting "canceled" for a variety of things now not just conservative ideas.
@@M4ttNet There's a reason "cancel culture" wasn't even a phrase until the last few years. And as I had guessed, you weren't around back then which explains your statement. But of course you can ask anyone who was (not just me). There is no disagreement things are far more politically correct today, for both better and worse.
The crossover we all needed but didn't deserve
No, no, no, I personally love the dad jokes. Love to see two of my favorite creators collab together. Might I even dare suggest, this was better than episode 1. Maybe Cynical Historian sometime soon?
Would you consider interviewing Knowing Better in a similar fashion? I might only be speaking for myself, but I think that would be an interesting conversation.
I very much agree with Atun-Shei's initial brief talk on judging people of the past. You can and should do so, but when you do it, you need to look at them within the context of their times. They weren't one-dimensional Saturday morning cartoon villains who "chose evil" just for the sake of being evulz. This isn't a justification of what they did, it's saying "I do not approve. I understand".
I overall agree, but I also think there is an over-willingness to give a pass on things that were, indeed, thought poorly of, AT THE TIME.
Many, many people thought slavery was horrific in the time of our founding. Many of those who HELD SLAVES thought it was a terrible idea.
They just...kept them, because doing the right thing (even as they understood it AT THE TIME) was financially unappealing.
@@cynicallydepressed1 I get that. Aside from the actual slaves themselves, there were obviously abolitionists at the time who abhorred slavery (some even once or always being slave owners ourselves, like some of the Founding Fathers). The point I'm making is simply to understand where the people were coming from, if nothing else. It doesn't mean what they did was any less wrong, or even necessarily mean "cut them some slack" (although it could, depending on the person/case). For a more recent example: plenty of children during the 2000s (myself included) casually used homophobic slurs as insults. Was it just as wrong then as it is now? 100%, absolutely, positively, yes. But did we do it because we woke up every morning thinking about how to be awful, as if we were one-dimensionally evil people? Well, no, we were just stupid kids who grew up in a culture where homophobia was basically the law of the land (and luckily we wisened up and grew out of that homophobia; some of us anyway).
@@dr_drago, your example precisely proves my point...(and I sincerely don't want typed words to seem harsher than if we were sitting at a table, cordially sipping drinks).
You didn't think of it, so didn't consciously yet 'know better'. Once you DID, you corrected your behavior.
The founders and those after them largely DID KNOW they were wrong.
They DID wake up every morning and decide, each day, to continue being monsters that held other humans in bondage. Many of them contrived lame excuses to make themselves and others feel slightly less worse about doing so.
They used the bible they used economics, they used anything they could to give cover to their continued sin, because they thoughtfully KNEW it was wrong and wanted to continue.
I used gay slurs too, when I was 10-12 years old in the early to mid 80s. Then I got into high school and realized some of my classmates actually WERE gay. Using their existence, their humanity, against them or others as an insult was then reprehensible to me, so I stopped, and I tried to even discourage others to think about it and stop as well (with very mixed results).
So I get it, and I imagine the same thing happened to you in your journey. But we 'grew' as humans and changed our paths.
These folks were already adults, already knew it was wrong, inwardly and with others telling them, and just overtly decided to keep doing it.
I give them no quarter for that.
That's just me, perhaps, but it is DEFINITELY me, for certain.
“and I sincerely don't want typed words to seem harsher than if we were sitting at a table, cordially sipping drinks”
Before we go any further let me stop you right there. Are you saying you perceive a reason (whatever it is, b/c it’s beyond me) to address me in a less-than-civilized manner? I’d love to just have a nice, casual conversation too; I didn’t see any reason for us to be at each other’s throats. But if you’re holding back the urge to escalate it with harsh language, then go right on ahead and drop all pretenses of civility. I have a ton of better things to do than engage in a RUclips flame war.
@@dr_drago, no, just the opposite...I (unfortunately?) write a LOT for work, and I cannot tell you the number of emails that come across where people in a group grossly misunderstand each other or take things WAY out of context. So I wanted to make sure I wasn't coming across AS 'harsh', when I'm truly looking for the exact amiable conversation. (Usually, though, about three responses in, there is a good chance somebody misinterprets what I mean, even though I try to write very clearly to avoid just that happening.)
So I was saying that I DON'T want you to believe that my responses were meant in anything OTHER THAN a civil tone (which, again, can sometimes be 'lost' when typed out and then read, without the tonal inflections one can give in person, across a table).
For some weird reason, a LOT of people on the interwebs think if a 'conversation' goes more than a couple of responses back and forth, there must be some increasing hostility. It is also beyond me...but I (clearly) cannot control what others think.
No hostility on my part...I am enjoying our conversation very much. (I just wanted to make sure you weren't getting any sense of hostility from me, because...again...it seems to happen purely by responding, which...why have comments if nobody is going to respond, right? Head-shaker...)
I just found Atun-Shei a couple months ago watched all his shit great youtuber. Really stoked you know him hope you guys collaborate more.
21:30 That is the biggest thing for pretty much all of us, even (and especially) those of us who believe in an eternal afterlife- the concept of "forever" is simply beyond human understanding, and I quite literally get frozen when I think too hard on the concept of "eternity". Even knowing what that eternity is supposed to be, its impossible to reconcile human understanding of eternity as a legit thing.
The more... blindly faithful.... will say that it isn't something we should think about or question because it's perfect and happy and all that, but I think that it's good for humans to question things. That's what got our species this far.
Love both channels. I really appreciate Atun-Shei's video about the Great Yankee Nation. That subculture is kind of forgotten and ignored now, but it has been immensely influential in American history. The video on the Puritans, which is obviously related, was a fantastic 'prequel' to that video about the Yankees.
That was an enjoyable 3:30 hours of a stream. My two favorite historians have finally collabed again!
Thanks for being here!
@@iammrbeat You're welcome!
Napoleon was a revolutionary figure. He single handedly shattered the illusion that royal heritage was required to rule.
Single-handedly 12 years after the election of Washington? Not to mention the thousands of years of non royal military conquerors?
I enjoyed Atun-Shei ramble on his interests lol
I'm glad you thought so!
I think maybe doing some small channels or one you don’t know too familiar would be cool too. Just a thought but love these 10 questions. Look forward to it as a series
That's a great idea!
26:15 I think that the Compromise of 1877 should have been the other way around. Instead of electing Rutherford B. Hayes president and withdrawing federal troops from the South, it would have in the long run been a much better idea to elect Tilden president and keep the troops in. The Compromise of 1877, in our timeline, is one of the most negatively consequential actions by the United States federal government in its history.
oh we are blessed indeed two men who know their history and are passionate about their craft this should be great
Well uh thank you!
The King Phillips War Debate is what I was saying at the end of the stream between Metacomet of the Wampanoag Vs. Captain Samuel Mosely of Boston. That would make a great video since Atun made great debate Videos along with his King Phillip's War stream I also would like to see a video about the Colonization of VIrginia when he covered the film The New World (2005).
And we await for Atun-Shei to deliver!
@@hanslazarito6789 thanks
Yeah I do like this idea. The series wouldn't do as well, unfortunately.
@@iammrbeat Yea well I think though Atun-Shei should continue something like this or just focus on the 17th century colonial American history even perhaps the Six Generations Indian War which was the conflict between the Indians of the Northwest Territories against the Europeans and later Americans who were pushing past the boundaries of the Appalachian mountains in the Ohio Valley.
i really like these type of video man keep it up
Thanks for the feedback! :)
My god, I've waited for this
I demand an episode with Oversimplified! lol
I mean this in a non-ironic way, I’d totally love to do one of these videos with you sometime. Also a new mr beat ytp is coming out on my channel in the next week!
Atun-Shei had really great questions for you. Love the series! I think it could work very well in podcast form; without the chat, it'd probably hit that sweetspot for the usual long podcast episode. Speaking of which, what happened to Jobsolete? 😜
brooooo wtf
i had no idea yall knew each other. ready for 3 and a half hours of kino
I wonder if you will interview VTH before President's Day? Also, if you do interview Cypher, then someone has to ask someone about Woodrow *WILLSSSOOOOOOONNN!!!!!*
I think both of them would be GREAT to interview.
I read that as "Atun-Shei Films and Mr. Interview Beat Each Other"
love these guys.
Is this the epic collaboration of both of my favorite history nerds? This is super epico
Hey Mr. Beat and Atun-Shei! I deeply appreciate your content and how you try to present your content from a common ground that even the people you may disagree with are able to stand on and comprehend. I am Fundamentalist Christian who, like you, is also concerned about the rise of "Radical" National Evangelical Christianity. The only difference in the concern is for you it's about how it influences the direction of the nation for me it is a concern about how it influences the Church in this nation as well as how it influences the nation directly. I'm curious if you might be willing to try to get ahold of Mike Winger who is also here on RUclips and try to have a conversation with Him about trends and movements within the overall Church in this country and how those are influencing my generation?
You guys are really good content creators! Maybe a collab sometime?
Well we did collaborate for the Maine and Louisiana video already. 🙂
@@iammrbeat oh i havent seen that yet. But you guys should do more videos together. It'd be perfect!
Two of my favorite RUclipsrs talking for three hours.
I'm blessed.
I went to sleep listening to Stalingrad audiobooks and woke up at noon to this…idk what I’m listening to but I love it
The description of death resonates with me, always the way I’ve thought of it
I really enjoyed watching this.
No matter what they say, you cannot convince me his name is not Atun-Shei. Maybe Mr. Atun-Shei on some days.
Im really fond of Mr. Beat now that I have seen this videos as I think he leans more towards a center like me. This was a great conversation.
Mr. Beat is just adorable.
Ah yes, the second Emperor of America, the Grand Duke of New Orleans, His Imperial Highness Atun Shei 🤴
(I only write this comment because of the video's thumb 😜)
haha yeah I told him to send me a picture and that's what he sent
Had such fun watching you guys, I love american history.
Hey! I'm a fan of the channel (both actually). So I'm just wondering: where does the idea that youtube leans right come from? I'm not necessarily arguing as I only have my own experience but it seems to me to be quite left-leaning (as in centre-left, not far left). Aren't the majority of RUclips's most mainstream creators somewhat left of centre?
Not most of their historical channels, I can assure you.
Beat is center-right, Vlogging Through History is further right-center-right, and whatifalthis is pretty far right compared to them.
Some you just don't know because of how they present, it seems very straight down the center, or they don't really inject ANY personal comments that might give it away (say. TimeGhostHistory).
Obviously I haven't watched EVERY channel on this stuff (yet), but those are my impressions.
For clarity, I'm center-independent that used to vote 90% GOP. To give you where I'm coming from in terms of defining these channels.
When Atun talked about how he learned about the Civil War it got me thinking of my own experience learning about it growing up. Especially since he explicitly mentioned my home state of Texas. Now this may just be because of the area in Texas where I grew up, but I remember they told us that the main cause of the Civil War was slavery and didn't expand upon much more than that. It wasn't until I saw certain articles and other material online that I first came upon the argument that the Civil War wasn't about slavery.
@@night6724 ok mr sun king
Sweet big fan of both!!!
1:13:00 We like to think we are all only motivated by the facts and sound logic alone, but when we emotionally invest in something, it may take longer than that. Although Philosophy Tube and Atun Shei films are pretty different channels, I think the power to change minds is also influenced by appealing to emotions, which both channels do very well through theatrical means, even if it's quite different theatrical means. It's propaganda, I suppose, I mean that in the most complimentary way possible (it is very good propaganda)-- because even though I am aware of the intentions, it works anyways.
Great video love it
Thank you!
I grew up in a suburb in the nw of Houston and in middle school my 8th grade history teacher made states rights the PRIMARY causal agent. in the 4th grade I had a black teacher and she made sure that slavery was the primary cause. I ended up moving to the country after middle school and in the 11th grade I had a very interesting and blunt history teacher that didn't mince words about confederate apologist talking points that spread in Texas schooling lol. I even blurted out a myth or two from 8th grade and he came back with the facts. when I thought about it it made me scratch my head how Houston suburban education was less truthful than my country education on civil war and post civil war history lol
gaps between the subject and not a ton of consistency as far as the information presented haha
Thanks for sharing that. In Kansas I got a mix as well.
Ehh, I got my schooling from a suburban Houston school and they said it was about slavery mainly. I think the teacher matters more than the school.
@@jiraffe9600 fair enough
I'm from the UK, O level (age 14 - 16) history, Soviet Union is to blame for the cold war! Western Europe and America innocent victims! Got to sixth form, so 16 - 18, A level history. Yeah, cold war, it's a little more complicated than that. This was in the late 70's, the American civil war wasn't even mentioned.
could you please do a video about what if the entire country of canada became the 51st state of the union. how would canada rank amongst the other states? population? gdp? so on and so forth. and then perhaps mexico too?
Good call, because Canada especially almost was part of the U.S.
From someone built like a wiry barrel... Atun Shei, you just fine, dude.
One or both of you guys needs to cover the Ostrgoths and Theodoric. The fall of Rome isn't spoken of all that often.
I was looking for a Mr. Beast interview but this was nice.
You could use the same melody for each 50 states but change the instruments and lyrics. If you write the lyrics a week it could be done in a year.
The problem with trying to fix capitalism, is that all the complaints about it aren't bugs they're features of the system.
Not really. The natural course of capitalism is a mixture with many socialist policies.
Please do an interview with ‘Knowing Better’
29:35 as someone who went to Texas schools, my teachers told me it was about Slavery, our curriculum told us it was about states rights. Most of us know it was about slavery, but there are some hillbilly types who literally wear the rebel battle flag who claim it was about states right
As John Green said,
"A state's right to what, sir?"
I like Beat’s video where he made the point where unlike today the Confederate battle flag wasn’t originally made to offend people during the Civil War. It was more like after the war when the Lost Cause and the KKK started to rise and sort of gave the South a bad rap which in my opinion damaged the reconciliation process that Lincoln had actually pushed for in the last days of the Civil War
Very glad to hear the critique of the Stalin wasn’t a bad guy group because that annoys the poop out of me
You guys rock :)
Mr Beat is low key hot AF
Atun Shei too 😏
Didn’t know Nikolaj was so into American history
Respect Mr. Beat for saying he’d probably have been neutral in the American Revolution. I teach 8th grade US History, and was surprised that when I surveyed my students, about half of them said they would have been neutral.
Because modern Americans are radical individualists. The idea of sacrifice for a greater cause is a foreign concept. Sounds like mental derangement
Educated Rasputin vs Educating baloney sandwich LOL 😆 love you guys! Love all your works!
New to both of you, and enjoying listening to the two of you and J.J. Intelligent conversation is so hard to find! I know I’m late to this, but Atun-Shei, are you SCA? Or a Civil War re-enactor?
I really wish people would hold super chats untill the end lol... like how the hell do you know that question isn't going to get covered just have a QnA at the end
How did I miss this when it premiered?
Mr. Beat, what do you think would have happened if Saddam Hussein was overthrown in 1991 instead of 2003.
we need a triple threat title match between you, atun shei, and cynical historian. he was the mutual friend between you two, he should've been in on this. three people is a bit much for the format, I get it, but it would be a video for the ages
01:36:00 looking forward to the georgism video
Mr. Beat have you seen contra points before? Autun Shei brought it up and I was curious if you’ve seen her content
3:02:33 I am *NOT* a part of that demographic, I guess this is a sign that I have to meet up with him soon 👀👀👀
(...even though I don't even live in America(!!) 🤪 ...I'll find a way somehow!🤪)
I loved this
After watching Chris from Vlogging Through History, I am convinced that the South seceded because of slavery but the actual fighting in the Civil War was for all sorts of various reasons both personal and other reasons
I like your commentary that people these days aren't easily offended really. They can be disgusted, but that's another feeling entirely. I grew up saying edgelord crap, I spent my time on 4chan, used to be into the RUclips atheist scene with people who were up in the "PC" face, even flirted with MRA.
But with the help of friends who called me out on my BS, and a growing sense of compassion and empathy, I stopped that. These days with the "U TRIGGURED LIBURAL??" type of BS, I get disgusted or even aggravated, but offended? Hells no.
They do things like strawman left leaning ideas or say something homophobic or transphobic and all I can think of these people is "You are such basic bitches you don't even know."
We need episodes with Vlogging Through History and Teacher Eddie!
Finally, someone else says it!
Y E S
Vlogging TH would be interesting with Atun-Shei because he has done response videos that bag on him pretty hard.
He is a little further right than Beat (let alone A-S).
Should be good conversation.
its very interesting from an european, german point the discussion about covid and the thign with the federal / local mandates.
I mean germay IS an federal state, much more than I think any of our neigbour countrys. But here everyone screams non local but country wide rules. Even the anti-covid people want it to be endend on a federal base, and we here speak of a 'chaotic' status of the gouverment because the local rules are just seen as 'bad'. I realy know many strange or different opinons in the german covid discussion here, but I have nothing seen about the thing that it should be local instead of central federal gouverment rules.
Very interesting this different perspective in the U.S.
Why is Atun dressed like The Burger King: July the 4th edition in the thumbnail?
Yooooo Mr. Beat, you went to UNO? I go to creighton my man good stuff
1:24:00 I think it’s a little naive to assume the plumber or carpenter does their job correctly. Everyone makes mistakes even people with 40 years of experience. It’s at least something to consider
1:25:00
I just subbed Atun-Shei Films.
You think Arkansas feels like the past? Having lived in the UK and New York state and moved to New Mexico I feel like I've moved back to the 70s too... the AD 70s... OK, slight exaggeration maybe.
Yeah, certain parts of Arkansas, just like certain parts of New Mexico. NW Arkansas is remarkably advanced.
Oh I don't doubt that certain parts of Arkansas are advanced, I just question how much of New Mexico is. I mean, according to studies I've seen we're:
50th worst for education
3rd highest in terms of poverty
47th worst for crime
45th worst for infrastructure
49th worst for opportunity
44th worst for overall economy
I mean, our best stat seems to be medical system where we're 33rd worst.
Like I said, moving here did feel like moving back to the 70s, as you described moving to Arkansas... but not the 1970s, the AD 70s.
Atun shei is great and Mr beat is my favorite RUclipsr
Mr. Beat, do you know if anyone else has posted 1,000 comments your channel. Since this is your channel, do you know who posts the most comments on your channel?
When did he talk bout the dog?
Love this lol
This was fun to watch and metta
For that guy who was looking for immigration books read “A Nation Of Immigrants” by JFK
how tf did I not know this happened
R u personally aquainted with Dwayne Pride,Atun - Shei?
Idea! Debate the Whiskey Rebellion.
Studs, Gods. Illusion Destroyers. Conveyors of Truth (facts)
I do believe it’s Chris’s turn!
Or even Captain Benjamin Church Vs. Samuel Moseley as was as a debate video.
Have you considered interviewing Vlogging through history?
Thanks to that theologic question now every time I think about heaven I'm just going to think about one day we're all going to be Q from Star Trek bored f***ing with John Luke.
Mr. Atun Shei, if you like Viking Metal, then allow me to introduce you to my countrymen: Týr. You'll love them. :)