Tár (2022) - Lydia and the Student Scene | Movieclips
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- Tár - Lydia and the Student: Lydia (Cate Blanchett) berates a conducting student.
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From director-writer-producer Todd Field comes "Tár," starring Cate Blanchett as the iconic musician, Lydia Tár. The film examines the changing nature of power, its impact and durability in our modern world.
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Cast: Cate Blanchett
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This scene is kind of the essence of the whole movie one of the best scene of the movie and the fact that it was a single shot scene make it even more perfect, Cate is so amazing.
Student gets schooled about the absurdity of identity politic labels and judging others. "Don't be so eager to be offended, the narcissism of small differences leads to the most boring of conformity". How disrespectful this young man is to his teacher.
😂then you didn't watch the movie
@@davidthirugnanakumar7888We watched the movie, we know what the scene meant for character development of Tar. There are many layers in just about every scene in this movie. You have to watch it many times to find them and for it stimulate your thoughts on all of it. When you take the scene at face value, it simply shows that many youth today act victimized and want to be hugged for not comforting and not accepting others because they are not like you. Tar was harsh and summed it up as his problem was rooted in social media... spot on. Social media is destroying minds with junk, and reducing attention spans as well. And we see how nasty she can be... most music teachers resort to humiliation at one time or another... been there, done that.
That scene was perfection
2:57 Her point remains *valid.* 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏼♂️🎹
And the camera doesn't cut. Holy moly.
Wow, so many people didn't understand this scene...
I'm not sure I did, why did he get up and leave?
@@BesatEven if she's right, she clearly humiliates him.
I wish Todd Fields would write and direct more movies
Harassing the student? Or putting the little snot in his place?
He is a hypocrite when he calls her "f-ing B"which is a misogynistic term. Typical woke, rules for thee but not for me. Old days he would have been expelled for that type of disrespect. He is the definition of privileged.
@@lauraschroeder8177I concur, but she "touched" him. You can't do that anymore no matter how benign it may be. I teach Music in my home. I use a wooden pointer with a rubber tip to point to my students' points of error and give them a harsh verbal reminder, "Back Straight!". I also video tape my sessions because there are those out there trying to sue anyone based on the "he said/she said woke/me too" laws these days.
@@lauraschroeder8177 B word applies to all people. Id say its misogynistic that YOU view it the way you do. Reflect on this.
Have you seen the movie? She shouldn't have put her hand on his knee like that 2:09. The fact that she is articulate, she's correct in the point she is making, and she is in a position of power (professor) makes her get away with it. The movie is just introducing us to the character in this scene and we progressively find out more and more concerning things. It's a great film, and anyone watching should check it out and then come back to this scene afterwords.
please people don't make people uncomfortable with inappropriate touch/acts
At what time was the harassment? 🤷♂️
can't you feel the vibe?
harassment don't have to be something specific act. you FEEL it
Absolutely brilliant
I don't get how Todd Fields said Tar was the one that was wrong in this scene. I think she hits the nail on the head. You shouldn't judge music just based off of someone's race,gender or politics at the time, but on the music itself. The student is in the wrong.
I think what he meant was that you should be careful about taking Tár's side in this even if she is correct, because although she has a point, it's self-serving. The same argument she's making can be used to justify all the heinous behavior she's done. There's a somewhat blurry line between separating the art from the artist and absolving the artist from moral responsibility for their actions. Now, if the director genuinely meant to say that Tár is just ideologically incorrect here, then I think he's wrong, but I doubt that's what he intended. This writing is too thoughtful to come from someone who doesn't at some level believe in it. The problem is, life isn't that simple, and most of the people who have taken this scene as validation for their own beliefs have missed the point. The point isn't whether Tár is right or wrong, the point is whether Tár's beliefs are truly sincere or merely self-serving, and we find out later in the movie that the latter is the case. For instance, Tár also says the artist should obliterate their own ego and service the art regardless of what they personally get out of it, but later she spirals into complete mental breakdown because someone else stole "her" score, which was itself an arrangement of someone else's music. So, you can admit that Tár is making good points here without giving her the win, because she's still a terrible person and a hypocrite underneath, as are so many people in the real world who make ideologically convincing but secretly self-serving arguments.
@@Kira1LawlietWell put! I think you nailed it.
@@Kira1Lawlietawesome comment
@@Kira1Lawliet She herself did not separate her personal life from art when she admitted attractive girls to her orchestra in exchange for sexual bribes
Absolutely agree, this student is an idiot.. one of many
The student is wrong, not the teacher
Double-standards, along with the truth, can hurt🤷♂️
I have to see the entire film to understand the full context, but from what I've seen I completely agree with what the teacher was saying. Yes, she was being bit too dismissive, overbearing, and little too handsy, but she wasn't entirely in the wrong and I don't think she was coming from a place of malice or ill-intent.
The point of the movie is that almost every character is a terrible person. Both characters are in the wrong here, just in different ways.
Yeah, you definitely haven't seen the movie. There was definitely malice and ill-intent involved. Just watch until the end.
@@Kira1Lawliet Yeah, I haven't the seen but based on the reviews of the film I've read the film seems more nuanced then you are making it out to be.
@@realityshifter3399 Watch the movie. The full story of Lydia Tár does not paint her in a good light.
@@Kira1Lawliet Based on some of the reviews I've read its more complicated then that.
Estas maravillosa cate. Opino lo mismo una cosa es el artista y otra su vida personal
This movie is a perfect way to find out whether a person thinks in terms of absolutes or exhibits more nuanced critical thinking skills (and most people fail the test).
If your main concern is proving whether Lydia or the student are "right" or "wrong" in this scene, then you've already missed the point. This scene (and the movie) is not about denouncing one viewpoint or another, it's about questioning the motives of the people who MAKE those viewpoints. On the surface, everything Lydia is saying seems reasonable. And it is. BUT, when you analyze her BEHAVIOR in this scene-her body language, the way she switches from seeking to educate her student to trying to humiliate him when he challenges her worldview, the hypocrisy with which she dismisses the significance of an artist's moral responsibility or personal flaws in analyzing their work-these all speak to her character and the type of hidden biases people have that cause them to drift toward one viewpoint or the other. Likewise, Max is a hypocrite, too. Despite making a big deal about how he doesn't respect old white composers for their antiquated and dismissive attitudes towards minority groups, once humiliated he insults Lydia by calling her a b*tch, one of the most derogatory and misogynistic words you can use. Max's ideology is a superficial disguise that he wears to curry social favor, and like Lydia, he is a hypocrite. The film isn't trying to tell you one side is right or wrong, it's trying to show the dynamics of cancel culture and how people on both sides of the discourse adopt their ideology for superficial and self-serving means. The film is about showing cancel culture for what it is, both its problems and why it is still necessary. It isn't a treatise on "cancel culture bad" or anything simplistic like that, and anyone who chooses to perceive the film that way is doing so with a simplistic mind. Cancel culture may be irritating, and it may often be silly and myopic and even occasionally unjustified, but it's also one of the few weapons that society has in the modern age to hold the powerful to account for their crimes and poor behavior. If not for cancel culture, Lydia would never have faced the consequences of her actions, nor would any big celebrity who's done anything egregiously wrong. But, in another scenario, Lydia could have easily been innocent, or her infraction could have been much more trivial, in which case the public backlash she received would have constituted a gross and life-destroying over-reaction from the public. But that's the double-edged sword we work with when it comes to cancel culture.
wtf you going on about
Well said
This is harassment? Please I've had elementary school teachers who were worse than this 😂
i feel bad for you for normalizing it
The leg shaking is one of the highlights for me. Great scene!
Classic
Thumbnail got me😂
Very clever shot, most young men his age would go "shcwing!" If a hot woman touched his thigh. But not him - because of his "life choices".
I had a hot teacher in high school, I actually asked her if I could be moved to another class because as a boy at 14 she was just too hot to look at... and that is why I refused to come to black board in class (bump in my pants). She took it as the complement it was ment to be. It should be a law, hot teachers should not teach adolescent students... there is little control at that age... especially for boys. Can you imagine if she touched my knee for encouragement... I would definitely rise to the occasion... and get "expressive" too.
That student deserved to be harassed and ridiculed
God, cate is such a great actor
Prelude in C Major by Bach. Nice!
I’m not sure how this is harassment when in reality, this is the truth🤷♂️
she can harass me all day LOL
I think she won't bully me because I can't stand these self-righteous liberals either
I love how movies can have the most problematic and toxic people like tar and the audience is very well aware of her actions throughout the movie, yet people still idolize and look up to her. Complete over the head
People fall in love with toxic people, make them CEO or President, and they are idolized. We don’t live in a world where the level of your toxicity is the only thing that matters when looking at the complete picture of who someone is.
I think this scene went over YOUR head.
She didn't harass his, she showed him how stupid, ignorant and pathetic he was.
i agree with both, a lot of these people were terrible awful people, we should acknowledge that and realize that they were disgusting, however we can still separate the art from the artist, and learn from their work while condemning their philosophy
their reputation and opinions should be shamed, their work praised
Then you should condemn the philosophy of ancient maya and Aztec
You can’t judge the cultures of the past….it’s stupid to do so
@@francescobrunocia3110 i do, sacrificing children was not ok, their architecture was beautiful
There's an argument to he made for both teacher and student here. I'll play devils advocate and look at it simply from the perspective of max here in this scene. He says, "White sis male composers, not really my thing." This is a perfectly valid opinion one can have. Maybe a little shortsighted? Sure, but these kinds of discrepancies cannot be taught, they can only be learned. To call that opinion narcissistic by the teacher, I think, comes off as cold and harsh.
@@nerfshamansplz yea but if he wants to become a good conduct he has to get over his personal believes and see the art for what it is and that's what Lydia was trying to teach here and she was totally right here.
It wasn’t really harassment but she kind of was ganging up on them. But it turn out she was really a hypocrite in the end
Just for the record, they were not all "austro-german," they were not all "straight," and they were not all guys!
Oh perfect it's the "Tár did nothing wrong" scene. 👌
I would have liked her if not for using her power for sexual bribery and ruining the careers of those who annoyed her
She robbed of an Oscar smh.
No, Yeoh deserved it. And Blanchett has two.
@@boynamedalexxx You can feel that way, but to throw in “Blanchett already has two” shows your favoritism. Oscar should go to best performance period. Doesn’t matter how many one person has, Yeoh got a pity Oscar.
Robbed? Your opinion. Great performance from Ms. Blanchett, yes. A greater achievement than Ms. Yeoh's? I'd say it's subjective, but from a technical and aesthetic standpoint, I'd say Michelle's was a greater challenge that was pulled off beautifully, in a film that will never be repeated.
@BrianBattaglino No. TAR is Sophie Choice level. She makes a blue Jasmine look like a Razzie performance. Most actors cannot even match a Blue Jasmine. Yeoh did not have the better performance. The entire year her narrative was let's finally award a POC a Best Actress Oscar. Blanchett is white. Blanchett has two already. None of those factors involve the actual performance. Yeoh wasn't even 2nd best, Riseborough was brilliant and she should won the Indie Spirit but lost to the EEAAO hype. If you're an inspiring actor you will study and marvel Blanchett's TAR, not Yeohs Evelyn. Besides how is it fair that Blanchett gave 2 acclaimed performances won the Globe, Critics Choice and the BAFTA but lost both Elizabeth and TAR to the it girl who won SAG because of politics and narrative. That's also unfair. Did Yeoh deserve the nom, yes. The win was a give me the Oscar. You can't even refute that. Yeoh literally shared on her insta a whole post that called out Blanchett by name and said she has 2 and is white. That's enough and won't change her life. It was unprofessional, unsportsmanlike, and disgusting behavior when Blanchett was Yeohs 2nd biggest cheerleader behind Jamie Lee Curtis during the Oscars race. One last thing. Did you know Blanchett was the only Leading white nominee for SAG, and the narrative was still let's award a WOC. The hypocrisy.
Goddamn right
Click bait title completely misses the point.
Hello, I need to cite this scene for an essay. Does anyone happen to know when is this scene in the movie, in terms of minutes ? Thanks a lot :)
Before you cite it in an essay, watch the entire film and discuss it with others... it's the various viewpoints that others have on this film is where it really shines... and that varying opinion goes right in-line with this scene. This film has more layers than an onion.
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😂😂😂😂😂😂
Pure Hair-sss-mint
She's right 2:09
'Harassing'
Max deserved to harassed & lectured with that kind of poisonous awful mentality
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bye-bye!'
What happened, I don't get it 😕
An insane student was told to stop being insane and somehow that’s harassment, I guess?
The point of college used to be to open your mind to new ideas. Now , it’s more that they want everyone to stop thinking outside what they say they should think. Follow the crowd or there will be consequences. I used to groan when playing Bach as a piano student because it’s hard to memorize his music with all the layers and voicing and understand fugues, etc..Never in my wildest dreams could I imagine someone might refuse Bach just because he had so many children and a few wives. Seeing the past through the narrow lensed world of today is the worst of the woke mind virus.
Perfectly said "woke mind virus"
Woke is brainwashing the masses.
Well stated.
What’s this
Cate da Oscar,non mi stancherò mai di ripeterlo.Hollywood per carità.....🤣🤣🤣
Be careful who gets to judge when race decides what is art.
I guess correcting students is now considered harassment. I would say it's just a movie but unfortunately this is now common place. That's why art is dying.
Yup
I concur. Art and Science is dying, that is why I teach STEM and Music in my home to hand selected students for FREE. I interview the parents and the students. I tell them we recite the US Pledge of Allegiance before every class as a form of solidarity and simple national pride. So many people here in the US have none of that. I love it when a parent crys fowl and threatens to sue me for politicizing minds... but its ok when thier bleeding hearts do just that in our public schools. This is when I tell the parent I have decided to not accept your child as a student. It infuriates them that their child wont get free top notch learning. That simple verse keeps all the trouble makes out. My lawyer has told several of them this: "My students are my friends, and I teach them for free in my own home as a form of entertertaining my guests.". So far the woke mob can't say who my friends are or who I let into my home. Some parents want me to deprogram their children from the brainwashing they get in public schools... some offer to pay me handsomely... I tell them I stick to the science. I can see "Woke Deprogramming" becoming a lucrative cottage industry. One parent offered me $20 K for 1 student... if I took on 6 at a time, that is $120K a year... not too shabby.
Wow that’s one illegal two she can be sued
If that were a guy doing that to a woman he probably would have gotten blacklisted. There would have been a lynch mob after that guy. I mean full-on pitchforks and torches, shotguns, people would be calling for his resignation and probably his life.
@@kingalexander43 nobody has the right to do that
@@kevinkocher9347 I think you're missing the point of my comment. I never said nor implied that anybody had the right to do that.
@@kevinkocher9347 It's surprising to me that some people in the comments section are calling her out in this clip for that, instead of praising her like society would normally do.
@@kingalexander43 i am saying in all forms it is not good nor can be looked at as normal for how she acted and teachers have been sued for similar regardless of man or woman
This is the main passage of the film, which explains everything, and gives meaning to the 2.38 h last. Cancel culture kills human´s intelligence. How can a magister class turns into a criminal act?. As if we just needed robots to teach us what is wrong and what is right. We are told that we just have to follow the rules.
lmao. getting offended over composers being white males????????
После этой сцены выключила фильм. Мне понадобилось время, чтобы остыть. Не могут стоять рядом имя Баха и транс белого мужчины. Это как смешать высокое недосягаемое искусство с чем то низменно мирским. Таких диалогов вообще не должно быть в стенах консерваторий
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