How I respond to Anti-Cigar People
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- Опубликовано: 10 ноя 2024
- Working in the cigar industry has given me the chance to talk with a lot of people. I meet a lot of people who think the way I do, but it's always a privilege to chat with people who disagree with me. In this video, I will take you through an email exchange I had with an anti-cigar person who has been commenting on my videos and emailing my customer service team. Here is what she had to say, and how I responded.
well said, I’m pretty sure karen, i meant sarah is sitting at home smiling while sending these responses and asking her 6 cats for approval.
Tim,
This was a perfect response. You validated her opinions/feelings on the matter, stuck up for your own, and offered a direction she can use that energy towards something of true concern. This is the best way to respond to people like this.
This is the same Lady that wants to defund the police but calls the cops on the Landscaping Company for Blowing leaves at 8am 🤣
I do not want to defund the police!
@@goodcommunitylife probably hates guns too.
It would be interesting to know what her response was on the FDA study Tim mentioned. It was a study conducted by the FDA after all, and she did mention they are heroes. I haven't smoked anything my whole life and started smoking cigars at 58. It bothers me that someone believes they have a right to make or force their will on what I do in my life. Tim makes a great point when he mentions the scores of people who consume sugar daily and as a result suffer a multitude of health issues because of it. If those, like Sarah, are so imbued by their own feeling of moral superiority why don't they point their finger at the real culprits that do harm.
They think they have the right untill you try to take theirs. Gaurantee this broad is pro choice. And if abortion were banned, or even taxed for that matter, she would rain a storm of emails onto every political figure she could find an address for.
@@yLeprechaun I take it you’re pro choice then?
@@chriswimer6296, I don't feel the need to disclose my stance other than to say it not the Government's business to criminalize either side. It doesn't matter what my moral stance, I did not receive it from Govt. You just simply cannot legislate morality- you can't. And you cannot enhance one person's freedom by restricting another; that only works short term- i.e. the civil war of the United States.
@@yLeprechaun not sure what the civil war has to do with any of that. But I agree; it’s none of the government’s business what people do with their own bodies.
Acknowledgement is mega food the fuels Karens. I'd wager she responded irrationally in a message that dwarfs the bible and odyssey combined. I'm sure she's a lovely person, real life of the party type.
Thank you for being the adult in the conversation.
That’s a very diplomatic response (she may not feel the same way), very commendable and I appreciate you representing us all.
And as you said, we know the risks; there are more harmful coping habits out there.
New to cigars but have enjoyed every single one that I have tried. I appreciate you not getting nasty with her. If she wants to hoop and holler let her. You did great by not getting nasty with her thats what she and cigar haters want. Your response is perfect and actual facts. Love cigars daily and only place I order my cigars. Costumer service absolutely top notch.
Good for you, Tim. I'm cigar smoker. Like most of my BOTL and SOTL we are one of the most tolerant groups as opposed to what most non-cigar smokers think we are, small minded and close doored. Is that w word? 😁 I can only speak for myself, but I would never smoke around a person who found it annoying or feared for their health. Conversely, if I'm not, don't tell me what to do. I'm an adult who is enjoying a legal adult product. You are spot on about the FDA itself mentioning the reduced health risk from moderate cigar smoking and the blind eye and deaf ear of this person on greater health abuses that harm more people. Another comment mentioned this person's abject lack of caring for the economic impact that would destroy the livelihoods of countless people in this country not to mention the tsunami of economic devastation in the countries producing cigars. I commend your response. I don't think you'll have success. You're open to debate. She's only wants a monologue.
Great response, Tim! You're still looking good!
I am a lifelong non smoker. I even tried doing cigars in college, if Tiparillos can be called cigars in your world. I merely liked the aroma of them while in a dank old college building in the city of Chicago. But the smell of cigarette smoke and the people who smoke them has always been offensive to me. In much the same way, the odor of marijuana being smoked makes me nauseous. I supported the outlawing in Arizona of smoking in public buildings decades ago because it allowed me to better enjoy a meal in a restaurant without the stink of cigarette smoke. But I would never support outlawing a cigar parlor, a business model which is pretty much the offshoot of the public smoking ban.
You're welcome!
In America, I think people should be free to do as they wish as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. As a commercial photographer, I turned down many lucrative assignments to provide advertising photography for tobacco and alcohol companies. Accepting money from such companies would make me partly responsible for the societal ills that result by their use. So I chose to abstain on principle. But the one thing that has motivated me the most to be actively anti-tobacco is that when I lived on Lincoln drive, a busy thoroughfare during rush hour, my front yard would manage to be the collection point for hundreds of cigarette butts carried by the winds of passing cars after being discarded by irresponsible smokers who treat our world like an ashtray. One time, after witnessing a driver dump his ashtray in the street at an intersection, I walked up to his open window and dumped my full litter bag in his lap.
I could get away with that openly carrying a firearm on my hip.
Somehow, for some reason, Sara has made your company her "mission in life". Yes, she really needs some perspective given so many other more serious problems she could choose to be an activist about. I think you did a good job pointing that out in a very courteous manner. I would be more the type to have told her to "Get _____ ed.", but you know me. You have a better level of patience than I do with such annoying people. Hope she takes the hint and moves on.
I wish you success in your business and your family well.
When I tell people that I enjoy an occasional cigar and I get the "what about your health" response. I like to pull out and drink from my flask and say "the whiskey will kill me first". I don't even keep alcohol in my flask anymore, I just got addicted to seeing peoples faces when it was a genuine response from my harder drinking days.
I always smile (inwardly) when someone says that the FDA and the CDC are great sources of information to stay healthy.
@@timomonochrom115 No, they are liars and funded by big pharma.
Fantastic response to her mail!
Edit:
You should send her a sampler ;)
Perfectly said.
Does Karen sorry Sarah bother to understand that when she hopes that if all cigars bars will be closed in 5 years hundred of thousands of Americans will be out of business and jobless?
In 20 years in law enforcement I have learned that common sense and common curtesy is not that common.
Tim, and Cigar Daily please keep up the good fight. We are here side by side with you.
Sarge🇺🇸
Who gives a shit what one does? Seriously I totally agree with you. I'm Muslim and I don't eat pork nor drink alcohol. I don't care if others too and it doesn't bother me. Maybe they should tax make up products for women which also cause cancer. Heck, ban everything it's 2022 and everyone gets offended by something. Welcome to China 2.0 where the government controls everything, including you. It's fucking ridiculous how these lefties try to cancel tobacco while they want to legalize weed lol.
I'm not a smoker but I support your response, it was classy, respectful and had good information. People should be allowed to enjoy these kind of products so long as they understand the risks and practice responsible consumption.
Came by the shop yesterday. Had no clue it was yours. I’ve watched you for a bit on here. Awesome to see things connect. And amazing prices at the shop!
Wow, not sure how I missed this one. A very well reasoned and delivered rebuttal. Well done, Tim.
Well done Tim! I am grateful for you channel Cigars Daily! I was non smoker my whole life but i just started smoking cigars like one per week or two. Thanks for a lot of useful information (because i dont know anyone who smoke cigars nor have cigar shop in my city). Keep doing your great job wish you many perfect draws ;)
She lost me at “Wikipedia” 😂 she reaaaaaally must not have a life haha. She’s probably the same type of person to categorize cigars with cigarettes
That is basically my feelings too. If Wikipedia is your source for anything, then you aren't very learned on that topic. I am sure something deeper is bothering this lady. This isn't a matter of someone simply wanting to inform others of her research. She has an obsession that relegates rationality, and creates a lot of confirmation bias.
She lost me even more when she said "FDA and CDC are great sources of information" which we all know are guilty of corporate propaganda and corruption. $$$
Great approach Tim, great video...thank you for being fair, open and respectful. Also...nice bottle of Old Elk back there!
Excellent response Tim. Keep up the great work
That response was top shelf, much like this Filthy Viking I'm about to enjoy. Cheers to Tim for rising above mud slinging and staying classy. Cheers man!
Nice reply! Was teaching an EMS class on treating injuries while trapping. It was a medical class not a trapping class. It did stop PETA from showing up and protest before during and after my class
Hello Tim! I happen to drop by this video in reference to this "Sara" person who is very anti-cigar. I wanted to listen to your comment(s) as I too noticed this "Sara" person writing on my RUclips channel under, "Cigar Rights of America" that she stated the exact same thing that you mentioned. Seems as if she's going to different cigar channels and making her point of view as to if we don't have our own judgement in what is good and what is not. Great response from you and I applaud you and your staff! I was going to reply back to "Sara" from my channel but then I said to myself, "Oh she's just an individual that has no knowledge and one sided." Here's a secret, I've been smoking cigars since the age of 14, and every time I get my lungs checked for any surgeries I always get told that I have one of the cleanest lungs. My Dad also smoked cigars at the age of 14 while he was in Cuba and so did all of my other relatives, again, while they resided in Cuba. I'm glad I came to your video to see how you responded, and I must say, it was a superb response!
Thank you,
Orlando Perez - Weekly Cigar News
Im 20 I turn 21 next month and can’t wait to be able to smoke cigar’s. Before finding this channel I was interested but never really knew where to start as no one in my family smokes cigars. I was one of those people who voted for a tobacco tax increase because of cigarettes. But didn’t even begin to think about the affect of premium cigars and now I will it’s a great industry we shouldn’t lose.
Well at least Karen.. I mean Sarah likes using super reliable sources like Wikipedia lol, and also the CDC whom never change their rules every 5 minutes. 🤣
Tim, I enjoyed this video, thanks. I appreciate the style of your response - attack the claims, not the person. Professional, to-the-point, and all above the belt.
I recently starting smoking cigars after a ten year hiatus, and I’m also a vegan. Imagine that! My reasons are personal as they are for smoking cigars, and I don’t force my perspectives on anyone who eats, or doesn’t eat, what I do, for example. Cigars are plant-based, after all!
Beautifully reasoned and charitable reply, sir!
What's really interesting to me is how closely the "Karen" attitude against others' pursuits aligns with a larger worldview and political orientation. There's something deep going on in the fierce antagonism to tobacco culture.
And while many tobacco smokers are not anti-marijuana, very many marijuana smokers are mindlessly anti-tobacco
I have a whole new respect for you Tim most folks don't get that freedom of speech means all speech not just what you want to here love it 1A all the way thank you sir for being very American about it
Hey Tim, at first I was curious to know if she had actual experience with either herself or a loved one with cancer or any of the things she plastered in her email. Seems like she just copied and pasted general government warnings which we have all seen and heard before…BTW does anyone in the group know of anyone that has actual had cancer from cigars? I have not.
I liked your response Tim couldn’t have said it better, tbh When I first got into which was last April, I always liked the smell of them when my dad smoked one, and he always looked like a straight baller having one which I couldn’t help but wanted to experience the look and feel😂, I’m 23 now and I can honestly say every-time I light one up I feel peaceful and calm and enjoy some music, what I find funny is when I tell my friends or coworkers I’m into them they always call me an old man which I can’t help but laugh tbh 😂, either way I love them and I’ll puff on them Till God tells me it’s my time 🙏🏼 can’t wait to experience more on cigar journey!
Bro, you handled that perfectly. You used her heros to point out there is minimal risk if you smoke 1 to 2 a day. Most of America can't afford to smoke more than that in premium cigars. If it was good enough for Spurgeon and Lewis, then it's good enough for me!
Tim, That was a well thought out response. It seems like Sarah has blinders on for only one specific subject she doesn't like and wants to impress her beliefs on those that disagree with her.
Tim, well done on your reply back. I do wish you had addressed the tax issue as i too see it as ridiculous to add more taxes to something like this - i am of course a biased 2-4 daily cigar smoker myself. This is what makes our country so great though - Sara can have her opinion as we can have ours. I practice & live & let live way of life, i would rather not have uncle sam reaching any further into my pocket. Keep fighting the good fight Tim, we appreciate you & how much you offer to all of us.
PERFECT REPLY !!!!!!
Tim Swanson is the smartest and up most respectful when it comes to people and their opinions !
This is exactly why I’m his fan, follower, and friend !
Nick Perdomo is the exact same way, that’s why I smoke 💨 his brand, besides who can resist a dark chocolate 🍫 10th anniversary Maduro ! 🥰
I absolutely love both of you and will always support y’all NO MATTER WHAT !
F yeah bro, did you write that!!?? That is perfectly and professionally written my friend.
From: a fan of your channel and a loyal paying customer !!
Great response Tim! 👏
Great response, Tim. You were polite, and didn’t fall into the trap of arguing policy. I’d be curious to hear what her reply was, if anything. And I agree, we should all be free to make our own choices when it comes to our own bodies. Pro-choice when it comes to any and all personal decisions.
Tim you NAILED it! Calm, collected and COOL! Anyone got a Link for Tim's FDA article?
Well put!!! Hopefully she feels heard
And so true corn 🌽 syrup kills more than people realize but it’s in everything…
Bottom line the one thing all of us formal soldiers fought for is freedom & choice
Excellent response Tim. Sarah, I wholeheartedly agree with Tim’s views as expressed.
That was a very reasonable, measured and well thought out response. Good job!
Great response well stated.
Dude. Absolute class answer, Gold Star, light up a cigar to celebrate your accomplishment.
Also, thanks for sharing this with us so that we might refine our own answers and interactions with people who take issue with our hobbies, values, and beliefs.
You know what. Have another cigar for that too!
That's when I go grab a Viking Cigar and cut it, and light it with and pair it with my Brazilian or Columbian Coffee. BTW, I'm a Navy veteran. Maybe I will order some Warfighter Cigars & some Johnny Walker Blue instead. Thanks for the motivation.
You handled it very well. Great job and keep up the good work/content.
I believe any cardiovascular health issues I may, and do, have were caused by my law enforcement career; it’s a very stressful career that encounters countless stress on a daily basis. I smoke cigars to relax…
Very well written to respond to her claim that smoking cigars is bad. Good work! There are more bad things out there than smoking cigars. I think she should put some attention on that rather than focusing on Cigars!
Very well said sir now push (SEND)
I don't like cigars either but i don't spend my time telling everyone else not to do it. Free will is a thing. Seeing as you don't inhale the smoke it's healthier than cigarettes.
Something about opinions and butt holes. Great response Tim
Would have just ignored her/it and gone about your business of providing awesome customer service. Keep on keep’n on.
Nice response Tim. Thank you
Love it! Nice work Tim!
Well said I would have done the same. Unfortunately they seem unwell or immature. Wikipedia is not an academic source.
One of "the troops" here. Sarah, one thing the army hasnt ruined for me is cigars, let us enjoy that.
Cigars helped me stop smoking weed and I’m blessed for that because the green had a mean hold on me but now I feel like I don’t ever need it again.
I thought my solution is vaping over cigarettes. After going back and forth, cigars were the answer and it works great for me and its so much better and enjoyable!
My response to Sarah, "O-kay Karen...."
In my opinion you responded quite well Tim. You were direct but not aggressive. You provided information as well as sources. And you set forth the premise of our freedoms to make our own choices not just as American, but as humans. If we are to limit anything dangerous that could have long term negative effects or death, what in life would we even do? Driving is dangerous. Football is dangerous. Motorsport are dangerous. Hell, more people slip in the tub and are hurt or killed than you can imagine. So by that sense, cleanliness is dangerous… Some people have an issue with certain things that typically stems from a very narrowly viewed life experience they have had. Because of this they will demonize that certain thing and insist it be stricken from the earth. But just as we are free to have a smoke, those individuals are free to dislike it. It sure would be nice if they did it more quietly though.
Tim, measured and respectful response to Sara(h). Bravo. But I would say to Sara(h) that adults have been bombarded with the government’s dire warnings about tobacco use. We are aware of the risks. We have also chosen to slow our lives down, take a bit of time to relax and have a cigar, typically in the company of like minded people. It’s nice to step out of the high pressure hustle and bustle of every day and just relax. How you relax is not a concern of mine, and conversely I expect the same courtesy. Live and let live Sara(h). There are causes out in this world that are far more concerning and deadly than the cigar you so vociferously dislike.
V/R
Ghost in plain sight 2018
Hey Tim! Can you share the article link for the FDA study?
Good response you covered all basis
I am sixty-two soon to be sixty-three, I've been smoking cigars since the age of eighteen and have every tooth I was born with. The medical issues I do have are the byproduct of military service, not smoking cigars. I always find it sad that people have such little and boring lives that they have nothing better to do than to concern themselves with the legal enjoyment of other people. I enjoy my cigars, and no matter what this fascist government nor there agents, the CDC, the CIA, the FBI, nor the FDA, do it will never stop me from enjoying my after dinner, after lunch or my Monday night football cigars. And if my grandson decides at the age of eighteen he wishes to try his first cigar, I'll be proud not only to buy it for him but to smoke one right along with him. So Sara go out get a life, find something you enjoy doing and do it and have fun. Then get your nose out of cigar smokers business thank you.
I think deployed military members know how to make their own “life and death” decisions. As a veteran I would have love some free cigars!
You are a scholar and a gentleman. Great response. ...We can agree to disagree. Have a nice day...
Tim, that was a great way to respond to the person. Over the last couple year that I’ve been following your channel(s), I’ve been delighted by the way you can interact with folks of differing opinions of all sorts. Can I call you next time I’m stuck in a dead-end conversation with some filthy communist? 😁
Very well responded!
I live in the UK so can’t comment on the Tax thing but how I see it is, we both live in a “free country” freedom of speech, free to make our own decisions. And if our decision is to smoke who are other people to judge. Say Sarah has a cat for example. I hate cats completely, am I going to make a big song and dance because she chooses to have one? Nope because and I’ll say it louder so she can hear it ITS NONE OF YOUR GOD DAMN BUSINESS 😂 keep the amazing working coming Tim 🔥
Great response too 😊
Good answer! I will never be able to understand why there are some people that cannot see the full picture. Its quite save to say that sugar and carbs are the killer Nr 1 as its causing insulin resistance over time causing diabetes, cancer, autoimmune diseases etc. It seems totally fine for those kind of people to have carb loaded meals and drinks in fast food restaurants and fail to understand that its much more dangerous to their healths than smoking cigars. Same thing for GMO foods, exhaust fumes, plastic and its effects on the hormone system, polluted drinking water etc.... We have so many problems in our environment that the health risks of smoking cigars are irrelevant, especially if they are consumed in moderation. (max 3-4 cigars a week) ) On the other hand, cigars can be very relaxing , lowering stress that is positive for health and eventually compensating negative health effects from the smoke. I honestly believe in days like this with this covid scam still going on, cigars can help to stay balanced and mentally healthy!
My mother lost her brother to cigarette smoking related lung cancer and is very sensitive to me smoking cigars which I can absolutely understand.
Some of you are being completely obtuse. This isn’t a forum to espouse your petty social and political opinions over this woman’s comments. I would hope you are better than that. There’s zero need for attacks on feminism and liberals. Grow the fuck up, you nerds.
I appreciate this guy’s mature handling of this situation and the reason why I still view him to this day.
Well said Tim!
Starting at 5:50 I began to slump into a fetal position under my desk and make soft mewling noises. I nearly knocked the bacon from my pizza into my spiked mocha macchiato, but I did manage to keep my Woody cigar dry. Thanks, Sarah and Tim. [She has a point - taken.]
“Sarah” thank for your concern for our health. I ask you to please share with “us” something that you do that is “bad” for you health, physical and spiritual, which you need help with so people can pray for you. As I hope you are praying for “us”. God bless!
Very well said. Its people's choice
People like this disgust me. Let me do what I enjoy, no one cares what you think about smoking. But kudos to you Tim for responding more tactfully than I could have.
Could you please share the FDA study on premium cigars you mention? I’m a scientist and a cigar aficionado and I would love to have a look at it, and if it’s legit, share it with a couple of “Sarahs” I have in my life
They started with 'from wikipedia'? Very odd start haha
Hey Sarah, thanks for your views on this subject. I am currently puffing(Toasting to you) a Camacho Nicaragua..... I hope the smoke blows in your direction!!! 😘
I"m sitting here enjoying an Ave Maria and a nice pour of (gasp!) Rye. I'll say one other thing, Sarah. I spent 30 years in the Army. Compared to what I did for a living those 30 years, cigars and whiskey pose NO threat to me. Never forget, your freedom to whinge is provided by people who accept risks you frankly cannot dream of. Time to grow up and leave us alone.
Eww!
Perfect reply to this “Karen”… Sugar is the new heroin. And everybody is addicted and it is the No. 1 killer of Americans. In fact, processed foods (including that “Beyond Meat” crap which is even more processed than a hot dog), sugar, excessive consumption of dairy, etc is far worse than the occasional cigar. The analysis also ignores the significant health benefit of cigars. Which is the leisure and relaxation aspect of it. Taking 2hrs out of a day to do something relaxing adds by some studies 5yrs to your life expectancy. As Steve Harvey said best… Cigars are yoga. Simple.
I am not Karen!
Your rebuttal sir....Out &$#% Standing!......
I think people like this that try to "educate" us are ironically very ignorant people. They see our hobby as some moral evil we need to be saved from and associate cigars as being cigarettes on steroids.
I know this is the case because they always mention smell. And it's a dead giveaway to me that the person is ignorant when they do. Cigars have a rustic, but pleasant aroma to them. I smell like cigars basically 24/7 and no one even knows I smoke them (except other cigar smokers) unless I mention it because it doesn't smell like what they thought it would, and btw my wife loves the smell even though she doesn't smoke, and I've heard similar things from other men who smoke cigars and their wives.
We're also not addicted to it like people are with cigarettes. I smoke regularly, but I have gone several months without smoking before without any issues just because money was tight, and I often will go several days or longer between smokes trying to get my cigars rested if I don't have some ready. It's not a need, it's not an addiction, I'm not even sure I can really even call it a habit for me. I do it purely because I just want to and I enjoy it, and they want to take that away because they don't understand it.
Can you share that FDA link? I’d love to show my wife who has “sort of” accepted my cigar habit but also has no issue giving me the “cigars are very unhealthy” speech. Lol
Hi brother Tim. Ain't freedom grand? Too bad some people don't realize that the same Freedom to do and BE what they want to do and BE is the same Freedom we expect others to respect and allow.
Nice💯🤘🙌 you smacked that B@#ch in the face with your letter and lit up a Churchill cigar..Clint Eastwood would be proud my man💪
Your reply was well done. Hope she will understand but as we say you can’t fix stupid.
.....And I thought I was an epic writer!!!
LOL I remember that Karen! That was the funniest live stream.
You ignore them because they will never stop
My take: Penn Jillette ... great magician and pronounced atheist ... but who also respects those who proselytize:
“How much do you have to hate somebody to not proselytize?” Jillette asked. “How much do you have to hate somebody to believe that everlasting life is possible and not tell them that? If I believed beyond a shadow of a doubt that a truck was coming at you and you didn’t believe it, and that truck was bearing down on you, there’s a certain point where I tackle you. And this is more important than that.”
So, 'Bless her heart.' ... but to be abusive the rights of those (harassing them) who choose to think differently or just choose to ignore her is exactly that ... abusive and harassing, no longer proselytizing.
You ever hear more from her?
I doubt that anyone who smokes would be unaware of the health risks. That suggests to me that the objective is less altruistic and more moralising. I do agree that it's probably better to send snacks and phone credits to people serving overseas.
What a response, way to go, smack daddy
Bravo 👏🏼 💨
damn i’m late, when the hell did you get another channel
My son mentioned cigars and health, I said 'Choice is what's given to you in a free democracy, you chose to give me your opinion, I get to choose whether to accept it or not, freedom & choice are values we defend in service to our country' *though the amount of No Smoking stickers they plaster all over my cigars I do wonder? One sticker is advice 6 well that's just preaching!🤬
lol her source to support her argument is cited from wiki
We had her too!……only once or twice and then left us alone….Guess we’re not a big enough channel to troll…lol
Sarah probably wears a mask inside of her car, while driving alone that is if she is old enough to drive.
Viva la libertad carajo!!!!
I think is important to point out that when she wishes all lounges get closed she is wishing for people to lose their livelihood just because she disagrees with their choices. That does not come from a place of "compassion for the wellbeing of others" in my opinion.