A Farewell to the Sonic Comic (1992-2017)
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- Опубликовано: 7 июн 2017
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EDIT: It was officially cancelled on 7/19/17, but it was announced IDW will be publishing a new Sonic comic in 2018 (possibly with some old staff returning like Flynn/Hesse/ABT?) so look forward to that. 
Игры
oh no
That's NO GOOD
Looks like.. you just took some damage
IT'S NO USE!
No way,I can´t believe this!
Go back to your floating island, echidnerd!
Late as hell to the party, but thanks for the kind words and the shout-out.
Quick question, why did Archie end the Mega Man comic book? That question has always bugged me.
Too bad you showed up after Cybershell died, lmao.
BTW big Archie Sonic fan. Your work at IDW never captured my interest in the same way but keep it up.
I wonder does Ian know what dimensional rift Cybershell disappeared into?!
He's not dead he's still hibernating
Still lying about the mandetes?
Remember that time when Tails hesitated to JFK Robotnik?
Brandon Pack what
@@koolbelzero116 Do you seriously not understand the joke.
@@rodolfocrespo4840 no
@@koolbelzero116 Okay, okay, allow me to explain.
The joke is supposed to imply, with satire and a little bit of deceptive truth, that Tails could have potentially reenacted the events of what happened on the assassination of president John F. Kennedy, which involved him being taken down with one cruel shot from a rifle. This is similar to what could have happened as seen in the comic (and in the video, of which you may have to find for yourself, as I only have time to explain the general joke itself), where Tails holds up a rifle and has it's crosshairs targeting Robotnik's back, which although is not his head (as was the case of JFK's assassination), can be ridiculously compared to the events of when John F. Kennedy was assassinated.
There, I saved you a few hours from history class right now.
@@rodolfocrespo4840 thanks, what issue of the comic did that happen?
“Sonic truly understands the meaning of war...” is the most mind bending sentence to ever be written seriously
"Hey, guys! War is where the young and bitter are tricked by the old and stupid into killing each other!"
- Sonic the Hedgehog, 2008
@@KareemHillJr Is he wrong?
*For the first time in his life...*
"None of this is good, Vector. That's why it's called war."
- Knuckles, Sonic Forces
hilarious then, hilarious now
My favorite part of the early Sonic Comics were small little boxes in the corners of the front page, with my favorite one being Robotnik in the corner box and saying "Today the corner box, and tomorrow the world!"
Rednax XD
Hi Rednax, hows it goin?
oH nO iT's DoCtOr RoBoTnIc!
say goodnight tails
goodnight tails
"Hey! Get off of my cover!"
so cybershell is finally dead. after all these years. its technically not dead but on an indefinite hiatus .
still dead
Damn son
Yeah he guys probably dead
Jesus
Bruh moment
"Last night I dreamt I was engaged to a red echidna named--"
"Knuckles?"
"Yes how did you know?"
"I had the same dream"
I know it's not what they meant but I just fucking laughed out loud at the idea of Sonic having a dream where he marries Knuckles
Too many chili dogs before bed.
I also laughed at the idea of Sonic and Knuckles getting married.
Ken Penders is the embodiment of deviant art OC cringe.
I never realized that until now that’s kinda strange
That's why I will never watch my old loreless shows again, making your own or looking at made by me is a waste. I can't type something that don't sound improper. I stink at long stories
I could write joke stories where they sound so ridiculous it's funny as a hobby
Maybe I should just make mockery story time i do good
I will never listen to Daddy and Abandon that moon anmie where the music, tension, mood, story, animals, and parents are high (good)
Ken Penders, congratulations you are one of the only artists who's work actually makes me wanna throw up.
ahaa there are so many artists you have not seen yet
Wait until you get to his writing. Both Knuckles and Sally have horrible dads, and that's just one sin out of god knows how many.
@The Last Thing You See Before You Die The personification of weakness made this comment
Well, there's a few other "professional artists/writers" that might give you a similar feeling of disgust but you really have to trawl the internet's favorite dumping grounds to find their works these days. Turns out it's hard to keep a job you suck at.
@The Last Thing You See Before You Die Man, you're not gonna like this but... I think you should know.
If you take a look down past your ankles, you'll find something that may disturb you.
I don't know how you're going to live with yourself knowing this, but surely it's better than not knowing.
I drew that Sonic CD picture in the Sonic Live issue. I was like 16 at the time. They also messed up and put & Kitty beside my name, probably cuz I had my middle name spelt in Japanese.
Whoa that's pretty cool.
Cybershell thanx for the video, I been collecting since issue 0 and the past 2yrs I've barely read them even tho I always bought them. I had wondered why I hadn't noticed any new issues in my subscriptions from my comic store.
SONICR2K, you are cool. ゆーあーくーる
Brainulator9 body temperature 98.8, still not cool enough. Maybe if I was a Mecha...
Fahrenheit or Celsius?
"Pay attention to Ian Flynn" and "pay attention to Tyson Hesse" one's written the story for Sonic Frontiers and the other's been hired as character design lead for the Sonic movies. We're lucky to have them.
He literally saved the sonic movies and possibky even thr franchise tyson hesse is a legend
I remember going to an antique shop with my grandparents and mom when I was 14. I was a huge Sonic fan, but never knew about the comics. Then I discovered a stack of about 50 of these for 10 bucks. My mom got them and I read and reread them religiously that year - it helped me get through the awkward age of 14 and I'll love these comics forever for that.
You missed the 'best' detail in Sonic Live!: They were too cheap to buy and too lazy to borrow a Genesis, so there's no console in any of the photos and indeed the 'controller' the boy is using is obviously a TV remote turned sideways.
Wait, so his kids never even had a Genesis? Why did they want to star in a Sonic comic about the games then?
@@legorobot2369 Nepotism. Plus Ken Penders has the social awareness of a neckbeard.
Taken from a tweet he wrote around a year ago as of now, "The photos used to create that cover were the result of last minute improvisation when the original was rejected as the original TV used was deemed too “dated” by the suits. I had just moved and didn’t have access to the gaming console & controllers. You work with what you have." idk i thought it was kind of interesting though it's really funny that he's still bitching about these types of things on social media
@@legorobot2369 Maybe they watched the shows?
I think something bad is happening to Archie, first Mega Man and now Sonic.
It's name is Penders.
Then Archie itself
penders didn't have anything to do with megaman and he was taken completely out of the picture around the same time. geez.
Mine Who they said that they wanted to distance themselves from series' that "weren't Archie"
Their priorities are now on Archie, himself.
you know, ken penders kind of looks like eggman.
Stop. Thats an insult to eggman
@STK Sonic oh please, ken penders can be sexy too
Egg penders
@STK Sonic soccer dad version of eggman, yes
dont you dare compare such a beautiful and stylish man to fucking ken penders
The Ian Flynn run was probably the best the Archie comic got. Ken Penders had his moments when he wasn't being creepy, weird, or egotistical, but it was usually either him or Karl Bollers responsible for some of the worst story stuff to happen in the comic.
The first year or two solid of Flynn's run on the comic was basically cleaning up the Penders/Bollers mess. And actually managing not to let Sega's increased meddling and increasingly oppressive mandate from ruining the comic.
Ultimately it was Penders' lawsuit that killed the comic, since it was basically that and Archie's own financial woes that got the comic ended. I haven't ready much of the IDW comic yet, but I hear Flynn did a phenomenal job getting its lore up and going before he departed *that* comic.
I'm always delighted when I hear how pissed off Ken Penders is that he's pretty much blacklisted from the industry and very few people give a crap about his attempt to continue his awful Lara-Su comic since he doesn't even have the Sonic license to base his work on anymore.
31:30 Even with Ken's career completely dead, there will always be such emblematic and genre defining characters such as Dominatrix Knuckles, Gay Knuckles, Douchebag Knuckles, Iron Plate Knuckles, Super Knuckle Bros 1 and 2, Girl Knuckles, College Professor Knuckles, Monocle Knuckles and _the_ most iconic, nay, humanity defining of all, Red Sonic.
And now that Frontiers is out, Ian Flynn's first game endeavor is basically cleaning up the entire mess that the post-Colors writing team had made. Oh, fate.
Are you saying Ian Flynn isn’t being creepy, weird or egotistical?
Two issues I'LL never forget are Issues 175 and 200. The former in a nutshell, Dr. Eggman wins. He just straight up wins. He ambushed Knothole, destroys EVERYTHING and Snively captures everyone but Sonic(and Tails, Knuckles, and Amy) so that Eggman can defeat him personally, and he does. Sonic gets straight up thrashed, and even pulling off one of his most impressive speed feats ever, complete with a badass line(Limit!? I'VE GOT YOUR LIMIT RIGHT HERE!) he still gets knocked into the dirt. The latter is actually the first Sonic Comic I ever read(not counting the one in Mega Collection plus), and it's glorious. In the aftermath of 175, the following issues had sonic and company make the biggest comeback yet, and when Eggman was defeated after Sonic recovered from his brutal ass-kicking, he slowly started descending into madness, and his constant strings of defeat weren't helping. When Sonic beat him in THIS issue, bringing their war to an end, the Eggman cracks and he has a mental breakdown and the issue ends with Eggman in a straightjacket.
sonicsaiyan07 love those issues!
sonicsaiyan07 In my honest opinion, the 175-177 Arc is the best Storyline in Archie Sonic History, with Issue 200 coming a close 2nd place!
sonicsaiyan07 I love those so much, they're so well done. 200 is brilliant because that is the logical "end" for Robotnik: after giving his all in the fight against Sonic and losing every time, he's just gone.
Not to mention the Snoo-Pingas usual joke the next issue after that, perfect meme call-out.
I remember that one. And then Sonic feels guilty for pushing him over the edge
Are you kidding? Sonic did the Council of Ricks before Rick and Morty
That's because it's based on Fantastic Four's Council of Reeds.
Rick and Morty bit off of Sonic a few times
Wow you just realized that rick and morty is a big parody of the si fi genre
Rick and Morty borrows, steals, rips off, pays tribute and references everything and anything.
Hey Morty, I turned myself into a hedgehog. I'M SONIC RICK!
2:26
Tails: “Sonic I don’t like that look of that face”
Sonic: “I don’t much like the look of your face, am I complaining?”
TAILS GOT ROASTED
Sonic:* arrow go flying through his skull *
Darn you sonic.
And Sonic fucking dies lol
Tails got trolled
[sonic then fucking dies]
1:44 so Tails received a gun before Shadow? Wow
And he killed the president
Tails shot John F Kennedy
is that tails WITH A FUCKING GUN
trying to kill robotnik AND A FUCKING UNICORN HUMAN BEING TELLS TAILS TO PULL THE TRIGGER?
w h a t
The Fleetway Sonic comic is a fucking acid trip
its a me nikitosnekit yeah its a illusion by the unicorn to test tails' character
*DO IT*
JUST DO IT
its a me nikitosnekit Miles Tails Prower, attempted to assassinate Robotnik JFK style...but it was just an illusion by some Unicorn.
Fun fact: Dawn Best, one of the artists who drew for this comic, is also the creator of Rouge the Bat. True story.
I salute him. Beautiful bastard.
Actually, it's a "her"
She also made her own comic called Ghosts of the Future iirc
AnonimATA no, Evan Stanley created ghosts of the future. The only connection to the games Evan has is that she appeared in one of the Sonic and the Black Knight fan gallery.
What's the source for this
0:01 "The Sonic Comic is finally dead." 1 year later: *Making the IDW comics*
That opening statement definitely didn't aged well. 0:02 0:01 12:32
"'A dragon's spoken word is fact', confirms Knuckles" kills me every fucking time lol
The main thing I hate about the comic getting cancelled is that the spinoff comic Sonic Mega Drive with art by Tyson Hesse will never be finished. It was great, best thing out of the Sonic Archie comics in ages.
DiddlyDiPotatoes I KNOW, right?
Yeah I know! That was the only comic I liked from Archie! For me the others are trash though
I almost wanted to cry over that last issue we'll never get. Or at least not very likely. Fuck.
NαrαnjitαSαbrositα They weren't trash
DiddlyDiPotatoes honestly I only disliked a few things of the series, one being Archie's inserted characters and probably off personality of the actual characters from sega, fleetway was more of the disturbed and cruel version of sonic.
I especially hated the future comics as in making sonic have kids, having him marry the comic series Mary Sue.
It just seemed off, however the team tango comics were my favorite.
Do you ever think Sonic just ever thinks "Man, I miss old Robotnik?". I think that should've been touched up on in the comics. A reflection on the different relationships between Robotniks and Sonic. It just feels so weird that Robo Robotnik integrated himself so well into continuity and he's just sort of a carbon copy of Robotnik.
They bring that up a little bit after the whole Scourge thing gets resolved and there was a issue at one point when the old robotnick came back and was a good guy for a little bit.
RaggedViking, when was this?
In the new continuity, this doesn't seem to matter because only one Eggman has existed (ignoring Nega and family members) and only Nicole can remember pre-Super Genesis Wave events.
Me: *Please don´t talk about Ken Penders, please ignore that please please please*
-Ken Penders and the Lara Su Chronicles
*Oh boy... at least he might not know that Ken did the sonic live-*
-Sonic Live is...
*Crap...*
Hiding from the truth won't take away from the fact that it happened.
@@redlol123 Tell that to the *TWO* Genesis Waves, never forget all knuckles tribe and the best character of all... NATE MORGAN!... Maybe not lol
I love that in the background with all the comics, at 12:20 one of them is literally just Sonic and the Secret Rings
"Cries in tears" Archie whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
IDW obtains the license
"Oh ok"
Rokkie Teller We got lucky with that
ibw is great!
Rokkie Teller realizing can crossover with transformers
@@alexisislas-gonzalez5991 and with Godzilla
chng.it/RW6XXcv5Qd petition to bring the freedom fighter back to the franchise
Playing overwatch while listening to the audio of this
I heard IT'S HIGH NOON and I actually get scared
I think i would too! Lol
Oshabot 16 this person is orange juice gang go play tf2
@Oshabot 16 Please shut the fuck up and let people enjoy their games. This old TF2 and Overwatch war is already over. And I'm sorry if you were joking I can't really tell.
@@DeletedTroll i salute you for not caring about if this person plays OW or TF2. And having a TF2 pfp.
I will always grieve the loss of the fantastic backgrounds the comics gave to Espio and Silver. 😢
Silver's story didn't even get resolved in the end. It's just tragic.
Honestly, I really loved the fact that the Archie series had its own canon and world separate from the games. I mean why would I want to read a comic version of a game's story when I could just play it? I liked that the series had its own unique flavor of storytelling that you just couldn't get in your average Sonic game.
I get that seeing lots of comic-exclusive characters would probably be a turn-off to a lot of game fans. I really get it. But to me, having those characters didn't turn me off of it- it actually did the opposite! It intrigued me even more as I wanted to find out just who they were and how they fit in with the game characters.
I'll explain. My first issue was #140, Return to Angel Island Part 3. As you can probably imagine, I opened it up and saw like 20 characters I had never seen before and knew nothing about. Knuckles had a family?! What was going on here?! What's the Dark Legion?! Who's General Kage?! I see Eggman, but who's that weird lady right next to him?! And who's this "Hunter" guy at the end!? However, instead of being turned-off by all the unfamiliarity... I was actually quite intrigued by it! I wanted to know what was going on and who those unfamiliar characters were. I can see how it would be a turn-off to many people, but I really was on board with it. I felt like this new and unexplored universe was like a birthday present that I could slowly unwrap as the issues went on, deciphering the chronology of events and figuring out just who all of these unfamiliar characters were and how they related to each other.
So yeah, I guess I had a pretty different reaction to reading the comic as a lot of other Sonic fans did.
I mean, when you're making an adaptation of something, I think it's best to take ideas from that thing and make something new out of it rather than just copying what already exists
When I first read the comics, I had only ever played sonic colors which only has sonic and tails, so I didn't even know that all those people weren't in the games and I was slightly disappointed when I found out that they weren't.
When I first discovered Archie, I had already watched all the Sonic cartoons through DVDs. At the time, I didn't know there was a comic, so imagine my surprise when I saw an issue in stores with Amy and Sally on the cover. I had always wished all the Sonic continuities were just smooshed into one, big series, so Archie was near-perfect for me.
I still love archie silvers story; he searches traitor who destroyed freedom fighters for his whole life.he finally finds it and goes back in time to tell sonic,sonic beats him up and tells "traitor"(antonie) sacrificed his life to save king and quenn from eggmans lazer.thus disambbling freedom fighters
That storyline was really cool and it led into Silver joining the secret freedom fighters and Rotor and Sonic form their own new teams.
fleetway Sonic is so weird
Gwyn but awesome
I like that the Fleetway version has a evil Super Sonic.
i personally dont Jeremy Knight, i think that having an evil Super Sonic can scar children and thats where the Fleetway Sonic comics went wrong
Scar kids? Seriously?
Super Sonic wasn't technically evil, just completely out of control and thus incredibly dangerous. When playing Sonic 2 to get ideas, the writers were surprised by just how out of control he felt compared to normal Sonic (which is kinda true, his increased speed and jump means Super Sonic can be pretty wild at times) so they incorporated that into the character. Fleetway Super Sonic is quite literally a demon of chaos, so it's quite fitting.
It's also considerably more interesting than just a regular powered-up Sonic.
Idk how I feel about a kingdom of fursonas being called knothole
Can we talk about how weird this comic was? Like I love it, I own quite a bit, but it got so... off. I remember when Tails fought Sonic because sonic dated his ex or something, and like... what?
Only for it to be revealed that Tails' ex was cheating on Sonic, with himself
Well, not only because of the ex-girlfriend, Tails' parents also served as a reason for the fight.
The thing was Tails was in love with the Fiona that was a robot, and that he thought that the real Fiona would have those same feelings for him, but she had no interest in being his girlfriend. Tails still was in love with Fiona though, and got very angry and upset with Sonic when he went with her. Even when Fiona dumped Sonic for his evil counterpart Scourge, Tails was still furious with Sonic, and it shown when Sonic almost went alone again to fight Eggman when he trapped everyone in his Egg Grapes. The thing with Tails' parents got him completely fed up with Sonic and made the fight happen, but the main cause of the fight was because Sonic went with Fiona.
Sonic Comic in a nutshell: but then it got weirder.
Why hello there
Hell yeah it did. While some of it was interesting, like Mobius being a post apocalyptic Earth, other parts got me scratching my head. For example, the plot to frame Sonic in Endgame had to be one of the most convoluted plots I've ever seen done by Robotnik/Eggman. I'm aware Sonic Heroes hadn't been made yet, but it would've been much simpler if Metal Sonic had been brought back as the one framing Sonic.
Can someone explain why Tails JFK'ed Robotnik
Yoshikage Kira just wants to live a quiet life
A quiet life where he gets boners looking at the hands of the mona lisa
Chewiester is that a fucking jojo reference
Chewiester He wants to bite her dusto
NO WEAKNESS
He sure does.
British people who havent had a sonic comic since 2000: Bah
13:08 yo definitely my favorite comic was "Sonic and the secret rings" for the wii
The irony here is that, if you take copyright and fair use laws into account, things would have worked out much better for both Archie AND Penders if he'd never gotten the job there to begin with. He could have made his crappy Lara-Su stuff unimpeded (and much sooner) since original characters can't be claimed by Sega or Archie's copyright, and Archie wouldn't have been forced to reboot the whole mythos in his absence.
So in retrospect, one SINGLE act of nepotism screwed this whole comic over.
fuck Penders
Tristan Wilson fuck Ken Penders. But at least IDW comics reboot is good. And best of all no Ken.
I vividly remember Reading one of the Issues where it was a filler issue.
I remember the plot being that The freedom fighters (Except Sonic) Had some Robotniks McDonalds style fast food, then they got sick. thus sonic had to go INSIDE them to fight off the illness for them. is was fucking bizzare.
Bradical Issue #33. Got you covered, fam.
An accurate description of how I feel every time I have fast food lol
guess they dont want kids to eat mcdonalds
BradicalTS Bowser's inside story?
Yes, the French Firius
Knuckles Mom: "Honey, don't microwave the baby."
Knuckles Dad: "...>:)"
I can't believe you just casually showed the "Alone on a Friday night?" panel and did nothing with it
God he’s pathetic
@@KYRA_RISING UNDERRATED COMMENT
Fun Fact: The Endgame Saga was originally going to be the End of the Comics, and according to Ian Flynn Part 4 of Endgame was going to be twice as big.
Even bigger than the Director Cut Super Special? Also more fun facts: Penders really intended for Princess Sally to legit die in issue 47. He thought that she wasn't a popular or well loved character since the Sally mini-series he wrote bombed (though this is apparently due to the fact that there was little marketing or build-up for the mini-series & the young boys of the time most likely turned their noses up at it). So he wanted to get rid of her for good but fan backlash over the next two issue pleading for her return saved the character.
Why was Penders allowed so much creative power? Well even more fun facts: Archie needed to see some serious uptake in sales otherwise they were cancelling the comic. Most of the staff didn't even think they'd reach a 50th issue. Penders had written a few hits himself & his Knuckles series was very well received. So when he proposed he had a big idea in store to really knock one out of the park, they let him take the wheel.
I dunno, I walked right to my comic book store in Flint (Amazing Book Store) when I was 15 at the time and bought the first issue of Princess Sally in front of a few other people. I never really cared what people seeing the things I buy. Unfortuinately, those comics and my 1-200 and every mini-series released up to 2004 got destroyed in a fire and I stopped reading/buying the comic. :/
Goat Bot He would have had to cover a ton of paperwork or have proof that that was worth money and was valuable enough to be replaced
Mom's attic (all were in sleeves and in proper comic storage containers) from 2004-2014 and yes the house was but that doesn't mean you get the comics back.
also Ken Panders is the devil. he sounds like a devianart artist that got way too much power.
Malcolm Fitzpatrick The devil? lol
This is an accurate description… except he was around long before DeviantArt existed, and had actual clout with Sega for reasons unknown.
Soufriere That's an exaggeration...
Malcolm Fitzpatrick
Surprised he didn't mention how Penders screwed the Sonic movie deal.
Why do you think Panders is in his name idiot.
Anyone else here from Oneyplays today?
11:36 *HOLD THE ONIONS*
*Listens to the stuff about Ken Penders*
... My god. This must be the most financially successful bad fanfic writer in existence.
ShinigamiSparda nope one of the writers for powderpuffgirls 2016 is.
People can change depending on their environment.
+Tornado1994 what exactly isn't true?
Actually that's the author of Fifty Shades of Grey.
Oh yeah. Wasn't that originally a Twilight fanfic?
Spaz And Tracy were probably my favorite artists
will carroll I also really liked Steven butler
Yes! Spaz drew the best hands.
How about Evan Stanley?
Spaz no contest
Endgame, suck it Avengers
Sonic did it first!
The Sonic Comics were absolutely batshit insane. Disappointed you never mentioned the Xorda, buff Tails, or the time they made an even edgier version of Shadow.
Such a damn shame, really. The Archie Sonic Comics are what pretty much inspired me to begin drawing and creating characters, all the way back when I got my first issue - Issue #173 - from my grandmother after she saw it at a yard sale. I remember kinda drifting away from the Sonic franchise as a whole two or three years ago, but I still have all the comics I collected over the years. Seeing this news really just hurts.
Jordan Ulrich Same here. I had the Sonic Mega Collection and no cable growing up, and I'd play the games for a few hours since I couldn't watch TV. When games got boring, and when I ran out of DVDs, I'd open the comic menu and redraw the covers on a page and use the controls to zoom in/out for the smaller details. I didn't draw Sonic OCs or fan art or anything cringy, but it got me to learn how to draw.
Want to sign my petition to help try and save the comics? www.ipetitions.com/petition/project-all-freedom
Wow. Never have I seen a creepier person, in both form and personality, than Ken Penders.
we have seen creeper
demetric taylor when you talk about yourself in a plural sense, you're not wrong
Hahaha, look at the pitch he did for a Sonic movie, look at how creepy that shot with the kids on the tv is: ruclips.net/video/qhsOiyvfIWs/видео.html
#FuckKenPenders
Ken Penders is a piece of shit, but he's not even the creepiest person related to Sonic, let alone the whole world.
Well I was very sad on the verge of crying and felt like absolute garbage when I saw the thumbnail for this video and just started laughing hysterically so thanks for that cybershell
"Aw man, now everything we love that left a legacy is ending.."
IDW: "Sup B"
"I will now put my faith in you"
Wow! You know, I always hated the Genesis Wave. I just couldn't undrestand what the fuck Archie Comics would want to reset everything, after they when through all that work, developing the character's personalities and and relation ships... Now I know the REAL reason why!... This Ken Penders should be lynched by his BALLS!
Well lucky for you the Genesis wave didn't actually happen. If the comics are cancelled anything that was the result of executive meddling and not because they wanted to didn't actually happen and the last issue that actually happened in the timeline was before the Mecha Sally ones.
Either way Death of the Author because God would never allow that to happen so if the "reboot" happened at all it happened in an alternate universe where the characters only think it happened because of time travel shenanigans. It's bad writing anyway as they'd never accept it and would make sure to fight to reverse it if it actually did and they are wrong if they think they'd actually forget them (and messed up in the head if they think that's okay to put in there) so the main Sonic from the comics is still living in Knothole with Sally, Julie Su, Saffron, all of Knuckle's people, and all the other people living happily now that Eggman universe hopped and is fighting the new comics characters. Ian Flynn's word on the matter is irrelevant to what really happened because it's out of his hands.
JoelAdair He's notthe only reason tho
It was a combination of Penders and Sega. In addition to having to get rid of Penders created characters Sega laid down a ton of VERY strict mandates so that a lawsuit wouldn't happen again.
It's a two piece blow. Ken Penders messed up the Archie half of the series while Sega cracked down on creativity and licensing. I feel as if the Worlds Collide mini-series drew the eye of Sega and that was the worst thing for the comic series.
I just hope that after the comic series ended, I hope the SatAM crew still appears in some Sonic media. Just not fade away like Mighty, Ray & Nack the Weasel.
Indeed. I think the Penders lawsuit reminded Sega that the comic existed and once the license was up for renewal they decided it was not worth keeping because it opened them to the possibility of lawsuits for rights to characters they did not care about.
it figures it would be uncerimoniously cancelled
Sawbones Quad It seems that all things good related to sonic must end abruptly.
I always wished that there was a quality game based on the Archie Comics Sonic universe. Something kind of like Jak 2 with Sonic exploring a hub world and getting missions from freedom fighter characters to complete missions in and around Robotropolis.
take my kickstarter money
There was supposed to be a game based on SATAM released but Sonic Team found the game mechanics to be too slow, so they scrapped it.
Therapist: "Jacked Sonic isn't real it can't hurt you"
Jacked Sonic: 5:28
35:19. Hey look! Sanic and Solly!
Da fak?
Wot
Pastel! fak u
I personally loved all the issues that involved Nathaniel Morgan, he was a pretty solid character.
Also #FuckKenPenders
Ok this is unrelated with this video but, the sonic comics started a day after Sonic 2 released because Sonic 2 was released on 11/21/92 literally search it up
i just realized sonic has 1 blue arm in the thumbnail. im not a blue arm obsessor but *mismatched* arms is another story
With it's high and low points, the Sonic Archie comic was great while it lasted, and it's a real shame to see it go. To be fair though, it wasn't just Ken Penders alone that killed the comic (as most have been led to believe), because Sega themselves had an hand in it's slow demise as well.
You see, over time, Sega continuously passed notes down as to what could and couldn't be done. They were very restrictive as to how the official characters were depicted, and tried as hard to make the comics more and more like the games in tone and style while removing creative control from the writers. Not to mention Sega slowly destroyed the comic's roots and intended on erasing any connection to the SatAM cartoon completely because it didn't fit their vision of the franchise, a trend which was amplified tenfold after the Super Genesis Wave event.
This was combined with a massive decline in sales after the reboot, as well as internal politics on Archie's side of things in the fact that they too wanted to get rid of the comic along with Sega, especially since Archie wanted to focus more on their homegrown titles, much like Marvel did in the 90's when they sold off their comic licenses to other companies.
So when you really narrow things down, the Archie comic had everything going against it, so there's not simply one source for the cause of the comic's demise, but several different factors that contributed to it.
Archie isn't a victim here. They lost the license because years of corporate shenanigans and mishandling of assets has left them nearly bankrupt, so they can't afford it. SEGA tightening the leash on Sonic is them finally pulling up their pants and taking back control of their legal property after years of letting it grow like a garden weed.
Even if IDW does pick up the comic, there's no guarantee the FF will come back, esp. considering the fact that Ian Flynn had to fight Sega to keep the Freedom Fighters in the series after the reboot
I think our Sonic SatAM crew is officially dead..... :'/
The SatAM crew was always dead in the comics. I'd honestly rather just rewatch the cartoons than read that comic.
As much as i love the Freedom Fighters, the less characters, the better! The comic book was ballsy as shit when i read a random issue, like, why the flying fug is Shadow king? and more.
You kinda dropped into the middle of an alternate future in a side series haha
When Ken Penders introduced so many 'and Knuckles' copies the series went to shit.
Sadly, it's true. The SatAM crew is dead - I just read the latest IDW and no Freedom Fighters.
I read from 172 to 243. So many amazing memories, these comics we're my childhood.
With how much of a shitshow the whole ken penders ordeal was, I wouldnt be surprised if Archie intentionally "lost" those documents to justify hitting the cosmic reset button.
Given the headaches it caused everyone, I would.
So Kids, if you get sucked into the TV, don't forget Up, Down, Left, Right, A+Start!
If you get sucked into the TV, don't disagree with your evil self
i should be sleeping but fuck it i'll watchthis video instead.
DJay Ramos Me too
13:35 i love how in the background to the right, there's just randomly sonic and the secret rings amongst all the actual comics
When you see Ken Penders, the first thing that comes into your mind should be “is this Chris Chan’s biological father?”
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There’s a dimension where Sonic accepted Knuckles’ steroids
after hearing about all this stuff about ken panders.....i wonder if chris-chan worships him since he aint to far off from ken panders
Ken Penders makes Chris-Chan look like a cool guy.
actually, he might. this is sorta hard to explain, but there was an issue where sonic encountered his own fan club. they were sonic look alikes, and most prominently, they wore a medallion of sonic's head. sound familiar? so did chris chan, but his was of sonichu. oddly, these are the kinds of epiphanies that can occur with reading the sonic comic while drinking.
Isn't Chris Chan a persona?
Yazanico Speaking of Chris, is he still kicking ? Last I heard of him, he "grew a vagina".
Luke van Kleef This is just one big Jojo Episode and Ken Pender actually has Chris-Chan as his persona, fighting for him.
4:42 Sonic The Hedgehog:Into The Sonic-Verse Comic
7:08
Sonic: "Could our universe be part of one cosmic entity?"
Me: *Remembers Eternity and Kismet from Marvel and DC* "I don't know Sonic, but it must be a popular theory..."
I remember reading the whole ixis naugus arc and the time when they actually killed eggman
I want them to release all the comics in big easy to manage books. They had a few last time I looked but vast quantities were missing. I'll assume that they didn't expect me to maintain a subscription for the last 25 years to get them all.
Yotsuba
The sonic archive comics have many of them, just collect the archives and the sonic selct
Comixology is probably the best place to go if you want to read the whole series (legally). You can purchase all of the issues digitally there. However if you want physical books your stuck with the archives series which collected 4 issues at a time and isn't even close to being caught up, collections of stories that aren't in order, the graphic novels for universe and post universe reset sonic comics, and a scavenger hunt for back issues.
Yotsuba You know what will be really cool? If they can't fit the Sonic Comic books in one book make a small gaint collection that sums up everything. Maybe like one of those books that if you collect them all and put them in order side by side, it will make a awesome picture of Sonic or something.
man. my interest in the comic started waning after #50, i'd pick up an issue sporadically and then be all confused and shit. that endgame arc fucked me up as a kid tho, like damn.
i think i've still got all my comics laying around somewhere, actually...
lunardances LOL. Same dude.
Wow, what a rabbit hole. I think I read every single one of those right up to around the same time you quit on it too.
Ken Penders wasn't fired. He left because he "didn't have enough control"
125 was actually the point when an evil alien race I forgot the name of was trying to wipe the world off the face of the galaxy, and Sonic wound up powering a warp-weapon to use against them by running really fast. The story ended with Sonic being warped to the galaxy that the alien race came from after the weapon successfully worked, and the next bunch of issues revolved around him finding a way back home.
Didn't that lead to the whole A.D.A.M Saga where Eggman had a super Ai Son.
The nanobots, yes. It also led to Sonic and Sally breaking up because Sally was being written as a selfish bitch.
I remember that now they ended up trying to marrying her to antoine who ended up being anti antoine. Its been a while but at one point in my life I read every issue of sonic I stopped after the mega man crossover and they rebooted everything because of penders lawsuit. I hated it because all those storylines, characters, and character development got thrown out the window to never be seen again.
Selfish is a relative word compared to a kid who spends his days focusing on bashing in an already broken doctor's head, and ran around Mobius for a living.
Your Mona Lisa Jack-Off argument was surprisingly refreshing and compelling.
I personally jacked off to it. The argument, not the Mona Lisa.
timestamp pls, im too lazy
I jacked off to the jojo reference
SpiceGirlReligionist I jacked off to kira jacking off to the hands of the Mona lisa
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Even tho I have never read the comic (and I probably never will), I somehow really enjoy this video and the way you present it, not as a critic but just as a sonic fan. It feels really refreshing to see someone on youtube not criticize the stuff they're talking about and just like the stuff and wants to talk about it, this applies to most of your videos but I wanted to comment on this one because I keep rewatching it a couple of times a year.
Sonic in the thumbnail can easily be replaced by Cybershell
Not anymore.
Ken Penders and Chris chan should make a collab. Perhaps a Sonichu Lara-su crossover? Sounds like a match made in cringy heaven
I'm autistic, and definitely cringing at this.
Quit making fun of people with autism as if they are somehow inherently weird.
My autism is screaming out in agony over imagining that. Hold me, chio-sama.
RandoGrunt No.
I don't think he would do a crossover for one reason Sonichu issue 8 is porn just straight up fucking porn or maybe ken penders is into that shit and he will make a lara-su porn comic and if they do have a crossover than it can just be all the characters having an orgy.
Unlike Mega Man, Sonic is an active properly, and Sega seems to be doing right by Sonic lately. Someone will pick up the license eventually. As much as it saddens me to see this go, and that it didn't get a proper ending, I am excited to see a potential fresh start for this series.
voidmaster45 me to
voidmaster45 Same
Hopefully with some of the great artists, and less of the subpar writers.
@voidmaster45 Fingers crossed they give it to IDW and let them either continue on or hopefully another soft reboot with the characters intact (and less stupid mandates from Sega) and given to a team who'll treat the property like gold.
They'd most likely make another Sonic comic universe really...
I like how the thumbnail HAS SONIC FREAKING DEAD!!
THATS CRAZY!
wait a second
The one story you couldn’t tell was Penders's infamous tweet. The tweet is getting old, but this video was faster on the draw in that department.
kek
I felt seething anger towards this comment once I finally realized what you were on about.
@Johnny Money the joke is that Chuck sells fuck and suck based on the rhyming scheme of Sneed's Feed and Seed in which is odd because the current store sells feed and seed which is normal but chuck selling fuck and suck is odd
What, seriously? They're cancelling it? Even with all the shit that's happening in the books now?
FUCK.
Thank Riverdale for that, that stupid Twin Peaks rip-off.
Hopefully Sega snatches the SatAM cast and all the Mobius stuff for themselves so that there's at least hope the comic
sorta continues under different people.
Sega is one of the reasons the SatAM cast doesn't get any love. If they wanted them we would have a game that isn't just a spinball easter egg.
Brian Williamson Can you explain the connection between sonic SatAM and spinball? I don't quite get what you mean.
SatAM cast popped up in a minigame as cameos.
their pixel art would appear when you would break the containers in the mini game pinball. it was such a small reference that few care about it.
12:00 All of the comic covers in the background, and then fucking sonic and the secret rings from the wii appears in the right corner like bro.
32:56 my eyes it burns ahhhhhh
*retina sizzling noises*
@@UltimaDoombotMK1 *tsszssssszss*
Most excellent retrospective Sir, Living in the UK I never read any of the Archie comics, so this was a great piece for me :)
Oh, if you want to know how messed up the Fleetway Sonic gets, may I recommend a RUclips channel by the name of "SJ Webster" He's covered them really well.
Larry Bundy Jr Holy moly, I'm a big fan of your videos! I was not expecting you to be in the comment section of this video.
He tends to show up where you least expect him
Thanks bud, I really appreciate it! :) Yeah I enjoy watching other people's videos!
No prob!
Didn't expect to find you here. XD I just saw a video about a comic I haven't read in years by a username I recognized from nearly a decade back and clicked on it.
Wow, never knew the Sonic comics had the same continuity for so long. I always read random issues but now I'll start from the beginning because it looks freaking awesome lol
Want to help sign my petition and try to save the Sonic Archie comics? www.ipetitions.com/petition/project-all-freedom
Dcfan200 i see you :)
And farewell to you, Cybershell.
I'm so glad you came back you son of a bitch, the world wasn't right without you.
By the way, how can you not mention *DAN DRAZEN* and his monthly reviews of the comic? He was the thorn in Ken Penders side.
... are those even their real names?
More like A Farewell to Cybershell the RUclipsr (2008-2013), (2017-2018) hahahahha amirite?
And he'll die a third time
Well at least hes back now
So that’s 2 resurrections now, huh?
Welp i guess it is
"Overly long rambling"?
Nonsense, you really went in-depth about some of the issues, and you are still internet comedy gold.
I love your content, so keep it up.
I remember my dad buying me one of the earliest sonic comics when I was a kid and then buying them monthly at my local party store good memories.
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I’m not seeing things right?
That’s Sonic and the Secret Rings down near the bottom right corner right?
Yep. I noticed that too and fucking chuckled.