Shirley Jones!!! Carousel, The Music Man...Everything this lady touches, turns to gold. She has it all,... A triple threat as we say. How nice that she is here, looking as good as a million dollars. Thank you for uploading this.
How amazing that all those years they apparently had never interacted or spoken directly to each other before, but had only admired each other's endeavors from afar. This is one of the most endearing discussions I've ever seen. So glad I stumbled upon it. Love the Cowsills music & loved the Patridge Family as a kid. Never made the connection.
Wow!!! What a neat interview!! Thank you for this. It’s so cool to hear the inside scoop on this subject. I loved the Cowsills and I loved the Partridge Family tv show!!
After having watched the doc again recently and becoming Cowsill obsessed anew, it's real nice to get even more in depth stuff like this. Such nice people, from two completely different yet related worlds. Thanks again for your efforts!
I was 10 when "The Partridge Family" premiered, and I started watching it because it was based on the Cowsills. And sadly, as the show took off, the Cowsills started to fade away from the charts. I loved them both, even though one was manufactured and the other The Real Deal.
From what I have learned just in the last two days is unlike the Partridge Family the Cowsills also had a Dad. He acted as their manager. He was mostly rude and demanding. One video I watched said the Cowsills were going to be booked on the Ed Sullivan Show multiple times. However, the Cowsill's dad decided to pick a fight with Ed Sullivan's son-in-law who was helping Ed run his TV show. That cut the Cowsills down to just 2 appearances ever.
@@Kirktalon He was an abusive monster! Did alot of lasting damage to all of his children, who were beyond talented. Mom was an abused woman who developed a drinking problem because of it, and could not stand up for her kids. So happy that the remaining members of the group bring so much joy to their long-time fans via their participation in the Happy Together tours. Miss Barry and hope John will someday re-join the family for a couple gigs (even though he is the official drummer for the Beach Boys).
@@birdsfan57 The mother did not protect her children, that is abuse. They made a lot money from the children, when they we're older they asked for some money but the parents spend it all
I dont know if it still exists but there was a place in Hollywood Ca called the Preview House where everyday people would gather and watch pilot shows and then the audience would vote on whether or not we liked the pilot. I was fortunate to be in the audience when they screened the pilot for the Partridge Family. I liked the show very much as well as the majority of the audience. The show ended up on television and was very successful. I like to feel that I was personally responsible in part for the show getting on the air. A great memory that I've never forgotten. I'm now 68 years old and its stuck with me all of these decades.
After rewatching bits and pieces of the documentary plus the biopic about The Partridge Family, the one thing that Shirley Jones captured about Barbara Cowsill was the essence of her unconditional care for the people around her.
I remember the Weekly Reader in the late 60s, a magazine passed around our 5th and 6th grade class, having ads for milk with The Cowsills used for the promotion. They were perfect for that promotion. The Cowsills were a big deal to us kids.
Anybody read Tom Betty and Susan?Thats the first books I remember reading.I ask my granny who was born in 1903 what they read in her day.She said the"Bobsey Twins".She was raised in Oklahoma by the way.
Yes, I remember the milk commercials too. I think someone told me their last name was Cows, not Cowsills, I was just a very young kid, about John and Barry’s age. Do, I only remembered them by first name.
Of course, my mom knew who she was when the series premiered, but us kids, not so much, so my mom would talk about all of the great films Shirley had been in. The one film I'll never forget her always talking about was "Elmer Gantry," and when it appeared on the "late night movie of the week" lineup one time, she let us stay up late to watch it. So, I'll always remember Shirley for that particular film as well as her role as matriarch of the Partridge Family and, all through the 1970's, she did TV as well as print ads for the classic Sunbeam Mixmaster stand mixer, so I'll always remember her for that, too, because my mom always had a Sunbeam stand mixer of her own; they'd wear out after so many years, and before you knew it, there was a new one on the kitchen counter. Funny, the odd, sometimes stupid things you remember, lol.
So wonderful to see Shirley, I want her to know I think she is just so beautiful and the PF got me through a really tough childhood, and I thank her for that. I'm GLAD you did the show, you are a true icon, as are the Cowsills. I adore them too, Great interview!
What a wonderful interview.... more like two old friends sitting down and talking about things that they each always wanted to ask the other...................
@@louisepalanker No Thank you for sharing such an interesting interview with Shirley and Bob. I have been listening to the Cowsills since I was a kid and love HAIR. The interview was fascinating about the connectivity of the show and the real people it was inspired by.
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@@louisepalanker As a matter of fact I have not yet seen it. I am sad that the kids went through such pain in their childhood with their father being such a control freak mess. I will watch the doc about them later this afternoon. Thanks again for posting
This could’ve been a VERY awkward situation but because both are so gracious and professionals each in their own genre, the whole thing kinda works for the most part!!
Nice to see two legendary Stars "acknowledging" each other: the Partridge Family TV show was a Classic and the Cowsills are a treasure, their harmonizing so amazing.👏 Saw them perform @the State Fair Ca a few yrs back "The Happy Together Flower 🌸 Power Tour" and their were "brilliant".-🌟
@@louisepalanker Yes, incredible band The COWSILLS🌟 and was quite surprise they originally sung the Classic theme tune to "Love American Style." Love that TV Classic💫show as well.
I am proud to say that I knew (even back then) that The Partridge Family was based on The Cowsills and not the other way around...many did not know. I had a crush on Barry. Requiescat In Pace 🕯
I remember back around 2008 when i saw this documentary on HBO (or ShowTime) and i was channel surfing when i first saw the Cowsills singing...I was like ..."This is exactly how the Partridge family looks...So this is what got that show going." I had no idea that the Partridge family was another band prior. i randomly learned something that day.
Adding... I've met Shirley Jones three times in my life in the line of professional duty, in different decades. She is warm, real, and generous in spirit. I saw Susan Cowsill in concert around 2009 or 2010 or so. Very good...really enjoyed her show and got a picture with her after. I've just been lucky to meet some of my music heroes.
The Cowsillis, children suffered Terrible abuse from the parents, they controlled, beaten, deprived them of love, Joy, protection, and spent all the money the kids made. Hope the parents suffered all the pain they did to the children. The Cowsillis kids grew into real nice people.
Wasn’t the “parents”, it was the abusive father, who later in the career of the kids, when they were in their early 20’s, when asked where the millions of dollars in record sales were, said, and I quote an interview of John cowsill, “what money?” The mother did her best.
This is news to me. I previously always thought the "Partridge Family" was simply a response to the "Brady Bunch" and very loosely borrowing some ideas from "The Sound of Music". Had no idea it was based on the Cowsills.
@@louisepalanker Yeah so I've just read up a little more about this and found out the producers of the Partridge Family really wanted Susan Cowsill on the show. Looking at those early Cowsill videos and Susan's performance and personality as a kid back then... I think she might have stolen the show away from some of the main cast members if that had happened.
It's sad in a way...Bob wanted to know things that were from 40 years previous that Shirley Jones would have no idea about. Money for the Cowsills? Really? The father spent it like it was water in the desert and the family ended up with nothing. The dad was a Svengali and treated those kids as his personal meal ticket. Those kids were talented and their songs were pop hits.
I have to wonder if Shirley Jones actually knew nothing of the Cowsills? That is hard to believe. I wish that the Cowsills and their mother would have done the TV show instead. They would have been spectacular!
@@Boyo1956 ....well, Shirley was then in her thirties, married, with three young sons. I don't think she had time or any inclination to get to know the names or music of current top forty sunshine pop groups. None of the women in my mom's peer group were even remotely interested such things, even if on the slim chance they could spare the time.
I was the fourth of seven kids and when I was little, I had fantasies about our family being a rock band... despite not a one of us having a lick of musical talent! I still remember scheduling our 1976 North American Tour. I don't know if that's cute... or embarrassing!
I just saw videos of the Cowsills performing, it's amazing that it wasn't well-known at the time that the Partridges were based on the Cowsills! I love the way the Cowsills performed too, with enthusiasm and they made the music even more fun.
Here in Brazil Family Partridge wass called (FAMILIA DO-RÈ-MI) tv Globo. Shirley Jones is still Pretty, i watched family partridge in the 70s here in SÃO PAULO CITY BRAZIL.i miss you. God blasses Shirley Jones.
The older people, nowadays are always trying to look younger. Older women are dying their hair, black and wearing provocative clothing. And older men are putting on toupee's. Instead of being happy at the age they're at, and not worrying about growing old. Shirley here, has Silver hair, she is wearing conservative clothing, and she looks absolutely stunning!! And Bob looks sexier than any other older man, that's dressing flashy, and wearing toupee's.
**** JUMP TO THE START: 1:00 - This is really so endearing how Bob kinda sheepishly asking how much Shirley and the cast and crew knew about the Cowsills... At first, as the Q&A proceeds it seemed a little sad that here you have wonderfully talented Bob, with his and his family's huge accomplishments, kind of relegated to some tier-3 level where a "star" at that time had no earthly idea who they were or that they even existed at all.. Then slowly as this proceeds, and Bob keeps asking the right questions and draws information out from Shirley, Shirley discloses things that we might have thought that BOB knew --- but he didn't... Such as, that Shirley was informed she was playing their Mom, a real person, and the family of singers was all real, but the joy on Bob's face just to hear Shirley say "oh yeas well we knew what your Mom looked like, and all of you, because they brought in all these pictures of you" --- It's kind of like the semi-deflated Bob at start re-inflates with the pride of knowing that the TV producers -- even though they passed on the actual Cowsills to play themselves, did in fact value their whole accomplishment and legacy or else the TV show would never have materialized. It's a really sweet dialogue, with such mutual politeness and manners. I am really happy to have gotten to see this. (But please cut the the preceding before 1:00 - it is really agitating. Please use the built-in RUclips editor tool to cut it all out. It does it without re-uploading, without losing views, likes, subscribers. It would take maybe 3 minutes to fix this :)
Such wonderful insights. We kind of really love the beginning. Bob was nervous. We all were! It's Shirley Jones! But they were both fantastic in getting to the heart of what really happened between The Cowsills and The Partridge. The Cowsill kids were in the dark about so much of their history.
Yeah, Shirley was a really beautiful woman, I had a crush on her as a kid, she can sing too!, Mr. Cowsill really wanted some answers., He was hungry for truth. Shirley looked nervous and kind of tense with cowsills personal questions.
0:22 Did anyone else think this was there smoke alarm going off? I rushed into my kitchen as soon as I heard it as it sounds just like my smoke alarm. I'll take that as a fire drill. At least I'm very alert and respond quickly.
I feel bad for Shirley because it could have been interpreted that she is on the hot seat or should feel guilty that the Cowsills weren't given Partridge Family royalties. Bob did a decent job at trying to make her feel comfortable. The rumor is Bernard Slade sounded the fire alarm before the interview began. ;)
I hope that talking to Bob was helpful for her. What happened back in the 70's is a Hollywood mystery for sure. But my guess is that Shirley was told that dealing with The Cowsills' father would be a problem.
@@louisepalanker - Could be. I gravitate more towards the theory that they felt the kids didn't have solid acting experience and they were getting up there in age. Plus, they couldn't have chosen all of them. So how do you break up a family by selecting a few of them and leaving the others crushed. But the baggage of Bud Cowsill could very well have been in play.
@@louisepalankerHeard Th3 Cowsills lost out on more gigs because of their father. Guess he wast the only controll8ng force. There was Joe Jackson [Jackson Five] and Murray Wilson [Beach Boys].
She is very beautiful? She grew up in a town not to far from where I live. I live in Uniontown,Pa. She lived in Westmoreland county. About a 15 to 20 minute drive.!
@@louisepalanker Could I please ask a favor? It's Bill on lead guitar and lead vocal and John on drums but which boys are on keyboard and bass guitar? This is a wonderful live performance. Thank you. ruclips.net/video/8gRWTlL3WGM/видео.html
@@cocoaorange1 I would let his kids answer that question. You can hear them speak about him directly in the film and in features you'll find here on this channel. He was very difficult.
Did the Cowsills ever get any royalties from the Partridge family TV show? Isn’t this proof positive of the source of the material. Don’t companies have to buy out the stories from the person/families they’re based on? I’ve seen people sue & win cases with a lot less evidence.
I don't believe they ever made a penny but it's hard to know what sort of deal their dad cut since the production team from The Partridge Family went over to study The Cowsills. I just don't know.
weren’t there any lawyers living in California back then? (or even now?) There’s got to be thousands of cases were money was paid (or awarded) for much less obvious cases. Without doing any research (only from memory) wasn’t “Coming to America” sued & awarded money for lifting a story from a famous NY columnist?
If the Partridge Family came on tv in my youth the channel got changed, sorry it sucked. The Cowsills came up with some awesome music, I knew the tunes but not the name of the band. Its 2024 and they're still enjoyable.
So this interview is from years ago? Why just now posting it? One day Louise, I hope you do part 2 and I can tell my losing my job at Atlantic over them story :) Love to you :)
They shouldn’t feel too bad about the money; even David Cassidy got screwed in that respect. The things the wealthy producers can never have: their fame, talent, and instant lovability!
That is so sad that the Cowsill family was kept from so much information when it was a show based off of them. I loved the Partridge Family as a kid but it would have had more meaning if the show had stated it was based of real Cowsill Family and helped their fame. Aside from Shirley and the manager, I don’t think the kids had any prior acting experience that the Cowsill children couldn’t have learned. Even if they had just let the real Susan in. At that young age, she could have started her acting career, or given the Cowsills credit.
were the cowsills children ever able to prosecute their father due to him stealing millions from them? Weren't there already laws in place to protect childrens money from their parents?
There were laws for child actors but not for child musicians. It's not clear that Bud "stole" the money. He may have owed it to shady investors. He may have mismanaged it. He may have invested it poorly. We just don't truly know.
Well that was an awkward interview. He seemed to be needing some sort of validation or something that she couldn’t give. She was very gracious. He was a bit obnoxious and defensive.
Where was the editor to "clean up" this interview?? that was embarrassing to have that alarm go off for the world to hear! two thumbs down on the editing here, not that impressed, that Cowsill guy was fawning all over Jones, GAG. Shirley Jones herself, was fantastic.
I know he was a jerk and possibly a pedo, but in this instance Bud Cowsill was correct. If Shirley Jones was the Cowsill "mom" on television, that would have been the end for Barb, because everyone would think Shirley was the mom. And if Barb were out the band the essential Cowsills would be done because and she was their "differentiation" in the market -- almost their trademark
I don’t think it had anything to do with talent or that they weren’t actors. I hope it wasn’t because they didn’t think they weren’t attractive enough.
@@louisepalanker I think they are attractive too. But you know Hollywood. I think the dad was a big factor. It I bet if they had offered to put a few of the kids, and money and contracts were offered, the father may have swayed.
@@ritaturner9906 According to the kids, Bud said either his wife was in it or they were not going to get any Cowsills. Of course, how can we really know the truth of what went on behind the scenes. They did have a hit show and The Cowsills were not actors. Danny Bonaduce is one of the finest comedic child actors of all time.
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This is a really special interview. I am so glad you got this on film.
An honor for sure.
Shirley is such a beautiful woman..she is one of those timeless beauties🥰
For sure!
Absolutely I say the same thing every time I see her....very lovely woman
Not timeless, just old .
@@bernardwinn1817 Some women carry their beauty into old age..just sayin'
@@6412mars some! But still she’s 89. Old🥴
Shirley Jones!!! Carousel, The Music Man...Everything this lady touches, turns to gold.
She has it all,... A triple threat as we say. How nice that she is here, looking as good as a million dollars.
Thank you for uploading this.
Yes! Thank you for watching, Cliff!
How amazing that all those years they apparently had never interacted or spoken directly to each other before, but had only admired each other's endeavors from afar.
This is one of the most endearing discussions I've ever seen. So glad I stumbled upon it. Love the Cowsills music & loved the Patridge Family as a kid. Never made the connection.
Oh, fantastic.
Wow!!! What a neat interview!! Thank you for this. It’s so cool to hear the inside scoop on this subject. I loved the Cowsills and I loved the Partridge Family tv show!!
Good interview, Shirley is timeless, so proffessional, I still listen to both groups to these days and think of them of easier times...and happier
I absolutely love both bands.
Same!
It wouldn't have been the 70s without the Cowsills. They had awesome music.
After having watched the doc again recently and becoming Cowsill obsessed anew, it's real nice to get even more in depth stuff like this. Such nice people, from two completely different yet related worlds. Thanks again for your efforts!
I am so glad you enjoyed it!
I was 10 when "The Partridge Family" premiered, and I started watching it because it was based on the Cowsills. And sadly, as the show took off, the Cowsills started to fade away from the charts. I loved them both, even though one was manufactured and the other The Real Deal.
Yes. Same!
From what I have learned just in the last two days is unlike the Partridge Family the Cowsills also had a Dad. He acted as their manager. He was mostly rude and demanding. One video I watched said the Cowsills were going to be booked on the Ed Sullivan Show multiple times. However, the Cowsill's dad decided to pick a fight with Ed Sullivan's son-in-law who was helping Ed run his TV show.
That cut the Cowsills down to just 2 appearances ever.
@@Kirktalon Yes, and you can watch the whole story in the doc on Prime, Family Band: The Cowsills Story.
@@Kirktalon He was an abusive monster! Did alot of lasting damage to all of his children, who were beyond talented. Mom was an abused woman who developed a drinking problem because of it, and could not stand up for her kids. So happy that the remaining members of the group bring so much joy to their long-time fans via their participation in the Happy Together tours. Miss Barry and hope John will someday re-join the family for a couple gigs (even though he is the official drummer for the Beach Boys).
@@birdsfan57
The mother did not protect her children, that is abuse.
They made a lot money from the children, when they we're older they asked for some money but the parents spend it all
Love the Cowsills💕🫠
I dont know if it still exists but there was a place in Hollywood Ca called the Preview House where everyday people would gather and watch pilot shows and then the audience would vote on whether or not we liked the pilot. I was fortunate to be in the audience when they screened the pilot for the Partridge Family. I liked the show very much as well as the majority of the audience. The show ended up on television and was very successful. I like to feel that I was personally responsible in part for the show getting on the air. A great memory that I've never forgotten. I'm now 68 years old and its stuck with me all of these decades.
Oh, wow. That is a special memory for sure, Neil!
After rewatching bits and pieces of the documentary
plus the biopic about
The Partridge Family,
the one thing that Shirley Jones captured about Barbara Cowsill was the essence of her unconditional care for the people around her.
Yes, indeed.
Nice to see these two talking honestly.
Thanks for sharing ❤️
Yes! You are so welcome.
I remember the Weekly Reader in the late 60s, a magazine passed around our 5th and 6th grade class, having ads for milk with The Cowsills used for the promotion. They were perfect for that promotion. The Cowsills were a big deal to us kids.
Oh, yes. I loved the Weekly Reader and those ads!
U guys had the SRA weekly readers too?Were u guys in California as I was?I had a Flinstones lunchbox those days.just sayin
Anybody read Tom Betty and Susan?Thats the first books I remember reading.I ask my granny who was born in 1903 what they read in her day.She said the"Bobsey Twins".She was raised in Oklahoma by the way.
Yes, I remember the milk commercials too. I think someone told me their last name was Cows, not Cowsills, I was just a very young kid, about John and Barry’s age. Do, I only remembered them by first name.
Of course, my mom knew who she was when the series premiered, but us kids, not so much, so my mom would talk about all of the great films Shirley had been in. The one film I'll never forget her always talking about was "Elmer Gantry," and when it appeared on the "late night movie of the week" lineup one time, she let us stay up late to watch it. So, I'll always remember Shirley for that particular film as well as her role as matriarch of the Partridge Family and, all through the 1970's, she did TV as well as print ads for the classic Sunbeam Mixmaster stand mixer, so I'll always remember her for that, too, because my mom always had a Sunbeam stand mixer of her own; they'd wear out after so many years, and before you knew it, there was a new one on the kitchen counter. Funny, the odd, sometimes stupid things you remember, lol.
It is fascinating, the specific childhood memories that we store in our minds like snapshots.
So wonderful to see Shirley, I want her to know I think she is just so beautiful and the PF got me through a really tough childhood, and I thank her for that. I'm GLAD you did the show, you are a true icon, as are the Cowsills. I adore them too, Great interview!
Thank you, Annie!
Yes True Icons Shirley Definitely the Cowsills 😉
Two wonderful people. Thank your sharing this, Louise.
My pleasure.
What a wonderful interview.... more like two old friends sitting down and talking about things that they each always wanted to ask the other...................
Yes! Isn’t it?
What an amazing interview and so interesting on the back story from Shirley Jones. Thanks so much for posting it.
Thank you so much for watching, David.
@@louisepalanker No Thank you for sharing such an interesting interview with Shirley and Bob. I have been listening to the Cowsills since I was a kid and love HAIR. The interview was fascinating about the connectivity of the show and the real people it was inspired by.
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@@davidoman Yes, and maybe you've seen the film which is referenced in the description above.
@@louisepalanker As a matter of fact I have not yet seen it. I am sad that the kids went through such pain in their childhood with their father being such a control freak mess. I will watch the doc about them later this afternoon. Thanks again for posting
This could’ve been a VERY awkward situation but because both are so gracious and professionals each in their own genre, the whole thing kinda works for the most part!!
Yes. Both so gracious and eager to talk about events that influenced both greatly.
Shirley….great actress and singer.👏👏
That was surprisingly captivating. 👍👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Nice to see two legendary Stars "acknowledging" each other: the Partridge Family TV show was a Classic and the Cowsills are a treasure, their harmonizing so amazing.👏 Saw them perform @the State Fair Ca a few yrs back "The Happy Together Flower 🌸 Power Tour" and their were "brilliant".-🌟
They are!
@@louisepalanker Yes, incredible band The COWSILLS🌟 and was quite surprise they originally sung the Classic theme tune to "Love American Style." Love that TV Classic💫show as well.
Fantastic!!
Shirley Jones is a Wonderful Person. I wish her all the best - so classy
Absolutely.
Lovely Conversation!
Great interview
I am proud to say that I knew (even back then) that The Partridge Family was based on The Cowsills and not the other way around...many did not know.
I had a crush on Barry. Requiescat In Pace 🕯
This is fabulous!!!!!
It really is.
This is so cool! I loved both. So that's awesome!!
Yay! Thank you!
Shirley Jones was an academy award winning actress, btw.
Louise Thank You , loved this Interview 😉 nice , For you to post this longer interview 💗 Cathy Nashville
You are so welcome.
She is such a sweetie..great interview
She is. Thank you!
I remember back around 2008 when i saw this documentary on HBO (or ShowTime) and i was channel surfing when i first saw the Cowsills singing...I was like ..."This is exactly how the Partridge family looks...So this is what got that show going." I had no idea that the Partridge family was another band prior. i randomly learned something that day.
I love how our access to media just keeps teaching us!
The Cowsills was a really really under rated band.
For sure.
No social media or internet.
So nice they got together to talk. I sure love them.
Adding... I've met Shirley Jones three times in my life in the line of professional duty, in different decades. She is warm, real, and generous in spirit. I saw Susan Cowsill in concert around 2009 or 2010 or so. Very good...really enjoyed her show and got a picture with her after. I've just been lucky to meet some of my music heroes.
Thank you for sharing. You have been blessed indeed!
The Cowsillis, children suffered Terrible abuse from the parents, they controlled, beaten, deprived them of love, Joy, protection, and spent all the money the kids made.
Hope the parents suffered all the pain they did to the children.
The Cowsillis kids grew into real nice people.
Wasn’t the “parents”, it was the abusive father, who later in the career of the kids, when they were in their early 20’s, when asked where the millions of dollars in record sales were, said, and I quote an interview of John cowsill, “what money?” The mother did her best.
Never heard it was parents but later years was the father...sad!!!
Excellent
I always wondered if the show was based on the Cowcills...now we know for sure.
They aren't even subtle about it.Bob is Keith. Paul is Laurie. Barry is Danny. John is Chris. Susan is Tracy. All they did was make Paul a girl.
As a child I thought the Cowsills were so cool and Shirley Jones was the nicest lady, and a looker. And I still do.
For sure.
This is news to me. I previously always thought the "Partridge Family" was simply a response to the "Brady Bunch" and very loosely borrowing some ideas from "The Sound of Music". Had no idea it was based on the Cowsills.
I remember reading a press blurb in my local paper that said The Cowsills would star with Shirley Jones in the show.
@@louisepalanker Yeah so I've just read up a little more about this and found out the producers of the Partridge Family really wanted Susan Cowsill on the show. Looking at those early Cowsill videos and Susan's performance and personality as a kid back then... I think she might have stolen the show away from some of the main cast members if that had happened.
She certainly could have. She's a delight.@@Earthman99999
They could at least have had her coach Suzanne Crough on the tambourine.
@@kthorning4459I think Susan Crough got better but when she and the 1st drummer, Jeremy started, they looked like deer in the head lights.
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Beautiful, Charming Lady
And A Damn Fine Actress and Vocalist
Thank You ✌️💞🙏
Good stuff 👍
I absolutely love Shirley!
It's sad in a way...Bob wanted to know things that were from 40 years previous that Shirley Jones would have no idea about. Money for the Cowsills? Really? The father spent it like it was water in the desert and the family ended up with nothing. The dad was a Svengali and treated those kids as his personal meal ticket. Those kids were talented and their songs were pop hits.
Yes, him not knowing if the family got any money says it all.
I have to wonder if Shirley Jones actually knew nothing of the Cowsills? That is hard to believe.
I wish that the Cowsills and their mother would have done the TV show instead. They would have been spectacular!
@@Boyo1956 ....well, Shirley was then in her thirties, married, with three young sons. I don't think she had time or any inclination to get to know the names or music of current top forty sunshine pop groups. None of the women in my mom's peer group were even remotely interested such things, even if on the slim chance they could spare the time.
@@msr1116unshine pop group? More like a family heavy metal group.
Read Tommy James' book !
And the Partridge Family sold many more records than the Cowsills ever did. Great video! Thanks for posting it. 👍
You bet
The "Partridge Family" is not real.
@@gingerlord4983 It was a real band that released real albums that sold millions of copies. What more do you want?
I was the fourth of seven kids and when I was little, I had fantasies about our family being a rock band... despite not a one of us having a lick of musical talent! I still remember scheduling our 1976 North American Tour. I don't know if that's cute... or embarrassing!
It's adorable.
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I just saw videos of the Cowsills performing, it's amazing that it wasn't well-known at the time that the Partridges were based on the Cowsills! I love the way the Cowsills performed too, with enthusiasm and they made the music even more fun.
Well said!
Here in Brazil Family Partridge wass called (FAMILIA DO-RÈ-MI) tv Globo. Shirley Jones is still Pretty, i watched family partridge in the 70s here in SÃO PAULO CITY BRAZIL.i miss you. God blasses Shirley Jones.
Oh, that is so awesome!
I loved the Partridge Family as a little kid in the 1970s and still enjoy reruns today, and yes I still have a crush on Laurie Partridge too.
Haha! Yes. She is adorable.
Awesome
That was nice.
I love Shirley Jones! She looks a lot my sister! God bless everyone and everything!
God bless you!
Podrían compartir la historia de The Cowsill en español??
Estamos trabajando en traducciones en Amazon Prime. No estoy seguro de cómo activarlos en RUclips.
Shirley Jones has the best genetics. If any of her kids inherited that, they are blessed.
She sure does!
The older people, nowadays are always trying to look younger.
Older women are dying their hair, black and wearing provocative clothing. And older men are putting on toupee's. Instead of being happy at the age they're at, and not worrying about growing old.
Shirley here, has Silver hair, she is wearing conservative clothing, and she looks absolutely stunning!!
And Bob looks sexier than any other older man, that's dressing flashy, and wearing toupee's.
The look wonderful.
I love Shirley Jones. I believe what keeps her so young is that she has a very "cherry" spirit and she always comes off as a super- nice person.
Fix the sound please, I can hear Shirley but Bob only a little.
**** JUMP TO THE START: 1:00 - This is really so endearing how Bob kinda sheepishly asking how much Shirley and the cast and crew knew about the Cowsills... At first, as the Q&A proceeds it seemed a little sad that here you have wonderfully talented Bob, with his and his family's huge accomplishments, kind of relegated to some tier-3 level where a "star" at that time had no earthly idea who they were or that they even existed at all.. Then slowly as this proceeds, and Bob keeps asking the right questions and draws information out from Shirley, Shirley discloses things that we might have thought that BOB knew --- but he didn't... Such as, that Shirley was informed she was playing their Mom, a real person, and the family of singers was all real, but the joy on Bob's face just to hear Shirley say "oh yeas well we knew what your Mom looked like, and all of you, because they brought in all these pictures of you" ---
It's kind of like the semi-deflated Bob at start re-inflates with the pride of knowing that the TV producers -- even though they passed on the actual Cowsills to play themselves, did in fact value their whole accomplishment and legacy or else the TV show would never have materialized.
It's a really sweet dialogue, with such mutual politeness and manners. I am really happy to have gotten to see this.
(But please cut the the preceding before 1:00 - it is really agitating. Please use the built-in RUclips editor tool to cut it all out. It does it without re-uploading, without losing views, likes, subscribers. It would take maybe 3 minutes to fix this :)
Such wonderful insights. We kind of really love the beginning. Bob was nervous. We all were! It's Shirley Jones! But they were both fantastic in getting to the heart of what really happened between The Cowsills and The Partridge. The Cowsill kids were in the dark about so much of their history.
Where can I see the full documentary?
It is on Prime. You'll see the link in the description but you can also just search and find it on Prime.
I loved the Cowsills! I had a big crush on Susan way back when..
Yeah, Shirley was a really beautiful woman, I had a crush on her as a kid, she can sing too!, Mr. Cowsill really wanted some answers., He was hungry for truth. Shirley looked nervous and kind of tense with cowsills personal questions.
When was this done and how does Shirley look so dang good!!!
She always looks good. This was done in around 2008 or so.
0:22 Did anyone else think this was there smoke alarm going off? I rushed into my kitchen as soon as I heard it as it sounds just like my smoke alarm. I'll take that as a fire drill. At least I'm very alert and respond quickly.
If it WAS their smoke alarm then Marty Ingles was super quick at finding a 9-volt and knowing how to properly make the switch!
I feel bad for Shirley because it could have been interpreted that she is on the hot seat or should feel guilty that the Cowsills weren't given Partridge Family royalties. Bob did a decent job at trying to make her feel comfortable. The rumor is Bernard Slade sounded the fire alarm before the interview began. ;)
I hope that talking to Bob was helpful for her. What happened back in the 70's is a Hollywood mystery for sure. But my guess is that Shirley was told that dealing with The Cowsills' father would be a problem.
@@louisepalanker - Could be. I gravitate more towards the theory that they felt the kids didn't have solid acting experience and they were getting up there in age. Plus, they couldn't have chosen all of them. So how do you break up a family by selecting a few of them and leaving the others crushed. But the baggage of Bud Cowsill could very well have been in play.
@@shyman99 Yes. Sometimes the answers to such mysteries are "all of the above.
Did Shirley or the other cast members get royalties?
@@louisepalankerHeard Th3 Cowsills lost out on more gigs because of their father. Guess he wast the only controll8ng force. There was Joe Jackson [Jackson Five] and Murray Wilson [Beach Boys].
Emotional 😭.
You can't hear the interview.
She is very beautiful? She grew up in a town not to far from where I live. I live in Uniontown,Pa. She lived in Westmoreland county. About a 15 to 20 minute drive.!
Wow, is this really recorded in 2020? Shirley looks great!
She looks great for sure. It was posted in 2020 and recorded around 2008.
@@louisepalanker Ah, thank you. 👍.
@@louisepalanker Could I please ask a favor? It's Bill on lead guitar and lead vocal and John on drums but which boys are on keyboard and bass guitar? This is a wonderful live performance. Thank you.
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@@Nessus07 Bob is playing keyboard here and Barry is on bass.
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Thanks much!
Bob is quite handsome here
Haha! Bob is always handsome.
Silver fox ;))
I feel so sorry for the Cowsill kids, having to grow up with two monstrous parents. Their mother ignored and enabled all the father's abuse.
She so looks like my mom now, I never saw that before☺
Greatness Ms. Shirley was many Americans Mom.
The best!
I’ve always been curious about whether The Cowsills were given anything for being stolen for The Partridge Family!
They attended a screening of the show and that's about it.
I get why they didn't use them as the actors, but why not use them in the songs instead of the Ron Hicklin singers?
Absolutely. I don't think the producers of the show wanted to do deal with their father. That's my theory.
@@louisepalanker I Believe It ! TOO !! Deal with Bud !!! Not the Cowsills , but Bud !!
@@louisepalanker I heard he was cruel and a jerk.
@@cocoaorange1 I would let his kids answer that question. You can hear them speak about him directly in the film and in features you'll find here on this channel. He was very difficult.
@@louisepalanker It's speculation, but I bet you're right, Louise.
Did the Cowsills ever get any royalties from the Partridge family TV show?
Isn’t this proof positive of the source of the material. Don’t companies have to buy out the stories from the person/families they’re based on?
I’ve seen people sue & win cases with a lot less evidence.
I don't believe they ever made a penny but it's hard to know what sort of deal their dad cut since the production team from The Partridge Family went over to study The Cowsills. I just don't know.
weren’t there any lawyers living in California back then? (or even now?)
There’s got to be thousands of cases were money was paid (or awarded) for much less obvious cases.
Without doing any research (only from memory) wasn’t “Coming to America” sued & awarded money for lifting a story from a famous NY columnist?
@@MikeCee7 I just really don't know. Most of The Cowsills were still minors when this transpired.
The Partridge Family was based on the Cowsills
If the Partridge Family came on tv in my youth the channel got changed, sorry it sucked. The Cowsills came up with some awesome music, I knew the tunes but not the name of the band. Its 2024 and they're still enjoyable.
So this interview is from years ago? Why just now posting it? One day Louise, I hope you do part 2 and I can tell my losing my job at Atlantic over them story :) Love to you :)
I am posting some of the special features from the DVD, Marc. A few more to go!
I thought the alarm was in my house
Oh, I'm so sorry.
They shouldn’t feel too bad about the money; even David Cassidy got screwed in that respect. The things the wealthy producers can never have: their fame, talent, and instant lovability!
That is so sad that the Cowsill family was kept from so much information when it was a show based off of them. I loved the Partridge Family as a kid but it would have had more meaning if the show had stated it was based of real Cowsill Family and helped their fame. Aside from Shirley and the manager, I don’t think the kids had any prior acting experience that the Cowsill children couldn’t have learned. Even if they had just let the real Susan in. At that young age, she could have started her acting career, or given the Cowsills credit.
Such great points.
David Cassidy had already been on Broadway, and had appeared on shows like Ironside, Marcus Welby, Adam-12, Medical Center, and Bonanza.
@@perrybarton Yes. Very talented!
Can't hear it.
Bob is do Genuine , down to earth Kind Man 😉
🌹
Too bad Daddy Cowsill was a stage MUTHA or Murry Wilson (Beach Boys).
I want to see Shirley in her velvet outfit with the ruffley top.
I always wanted to go on a date with Shirley. She's 88 and I'm 67. Think she goes for younger men? 😀
were the cowsills children ever able to prosecute their father due to him stealing millions from them? Weren't there already laws in place to protect childrens money from their parents?
There were laws for child actors but not for child musicians. It's not clear that Bud "stole" the money. He may have owed it to shady investors. He may have mismanaged it. He may have invested it poorly. We just don't truly know.
@@louisepalanker thank you for answering.
They could have learned to be actors like Will Smith, he wasn't an actor and there's plenty of other musicians that became actors
Great point.
sound on this clip really sucks
They weren’t actors ugh 😩 well partridges weren’t musical 🎶 🤯🤯🤯🤯
Right you are.
Well that was an awkward interview. He seemed to be needing some sort of validation or something that she couldn’t give. She was very gracious. He was a bit obnoxious and defensive.
He was eager for answers and quite respectful. He'd gone his whole life wondering how this story looked from her point of view. She is wonderful
Where was the editor to "clean up" this interview?? that was embarrassing to have that alarm go off for the world to hear! two thumbs down on the editing here, not that impressed, that Cowsill guy was fawning all over Jones, GAG. Shirley Jones herself, was fantastic.
This is the full, unedited interview.
I know he was a jerk and possibly a pedo, but in this instance Bud Cowsill was correct. If Shirley Jones was the Cowsill "mom" on television, that would have been the end for Barb, because everyone would think Shirley was the mom. And if Barb were out the band the essential Cowsills would be done because and she was their "differentiation" in the market -- almost their trademark
I don’t think it had anything to do with talent or that they weren’t actors. I hope it wasn’t because they didn’t think they weren’t attractive enough.
They were always very attractive. I think the real reason is that the producers did not want to work with their Dad.
@@louisepalanker I think they are attractive too. But you know Hollywood. I think the dad was a big factor. It I bet if they had offered to put a few of the kids, and money and contracts were offered, the father may have swayed.
@@ritaturner9906 According to the kids, Bud said either his wife was in it or they were not going to get any Cowsills. Of course, how can we really know the truth of what went on behind the scenes. They did have a hit show and The Cowsills were not actors. Danny Bonaduce is one of the finest comedic child actors of all time.
Ruben Kincade was always kind of a shifty character.
Can't even hear them.......horrible audio.